Fantasy Football Today - Fantasy Jeopardy, Spicy Takes and a Mailbag (07/17 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 17, 2020

Starting the show with some fun predictions from our listeners (3:05). Can the NYJ offense take a huge step forward this season? Can D'Andre Swift catch 65 passes en route to a huge year? We discuss t...hose spicy takes plus the news and notes from around the NFL (12:00) ... Emails about drafting Lamar Jackson in Round 1 (18:30), pairing rookie RBs with their veteran teammates (22:44) and Jonathan Taylor's pedigree and 2020 role (25:30) ... Let's play some Fantasy Jeopardy (32:00)! Will Adam actually let Heath win this time? And we finish with Apple Podcast questions (44:50) covering Russell Wilson, keeper leagues, dynasty leagues and more ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Nominate us on PodcastAwards! https://www.podcastawards.com/app/signup/ 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:59 BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. On his way to the end zone. I'll tell you what, that was a spectacular play. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. What a play. Off to the races.
Starting point is 00:01:16 Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. Happy Friday, everybody. What's going on? Fantasy football today. Now, we are recording on Thursday, which means for us,
Starting point is 00:01:30 one week until baseball's back. Who is genuinely excited for the start of baseball season? Will Brinson. I doubt that. I'm definitely a little excited. Yeah. I mean, I did not realize it was one week away. I'll say that. I'm definitely a little excited. Yeah. I mean, I did not realize it was one week away.
Starting point is 00:01:47 I'll say that. Yeah, it's two games on next Thursday and the rest on Friday. And then, yeah, baseball starts and sports. I guess, you know, sports is technically back, but since I don't watch any of the sports that are back right now, it doesn't really feel that way for me.
Starting point is 00:02:03 So I'm looking forward. I can't wait. The major sports are back. I did a Twitter poll of the sports that are back right now. It doesn't really feel that way for me. So I'm looking for, I can't wait. The major sports are back. I did a, a Twitter poll about the start of NFL training camp. And I want to get your, your vote. What date will all teams be in training camp completely?
Starting point is 00:02:19 Were there options? Not rookies, not rookies, but full training camp, all NFL teams. See results. See results. See results was not an option because this is a guessing one, so it's okay to just everybody guess.
Starting point is 00:02:30 Okay. I don't know. Are you going to give the options or we just want to? July 28th. Is it a poll all guessing anyway? July 28th. No, no, no. Generally, you have a strong opinion.
Starting point is 00:02:41 Who do you want? You know who you want. You might be wrong, but it's still who you want. Uh, anyway, July 28th, August 4th, August 11th,
Starting point is 00:02:50 after August 11th, C August 4th. I say the 11th. Yeah. Somewhere in there. 11th was my guess as well. Yeah. August 11th,
Starting point is 00:03:03 one or zero preseason games, and hopefully an on-time start to the season. There will not be preseason games. That's my expectation as well. August 11th, no preseason games. On-time start to the season. Watch it be July 28th. We're not experts, but...
Starting point is 00:03:20 Well, Chiefs, rookies... All teams will... I don't think all teams are going to report on 28th, right? I don't... Well, Chiefs, rookies... All teams will... I don't think all teams are going to report on 28th, right? I don't... Well, yeah, Chiefs rookies are supposed to report on Saturday. Chiefs and Texans rookies on Saturday. But that's not going to happen because none of them have been tested yet.
Starting point is 00:03:36 You have to be tested 48 hours before you show up. Yeah, we do have some testing news coming in. We'll get to news and notes. We have news about Mark Andrews. He's going to play. He does have type 1 diabetes, but he says he's going to play. So, yeah, we'll have some testing news coming in. We'll get to news and notes. We have news about Mark Andrews. He's going to play. He does have type 1 diabetes, but he says he's going to play. So, yeah, we'll get into that, the Derrick Henry contract and what it means. We've got a fun show today.
Starting point is 00:03:53 We've got Fantasy Jeopardy coming up. Don't really think he's going to win based on history. I mean, he might have the most points, but it doesn't mean I'm going to call him the winner. We've got your emails at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. We've got your Apple podcast questions. And I said on Twitter, I said, hey, help me out. Do my
Starting point is 00:04:11 job for me. Give me something spicy to start the show. And I picked my two favorites, and here they are. Something spicy to start the show. Number one, from Fantasy Chatter, Le'Veon Bell, RB1 overall this year. And the Jets offense takes flight with Sam Darnold healthy. Le'Veon eats on the ground and in the passing game, book it. Ooh, that is spicy.
Starting point is 00:04:35 I did some A's or math to try to check out how realistic this might possibly be. And so if you take Le'Veon Bell's 16-game pace for touches from last year and then give him his career efficiency, just assuming last year was a down year, that would put him at 279 PPR points, which would have made him number six or seven last year. I feel like I already did that math somewhere in my notes, but okay, number six or seven. That's not bad. That's not bad. What about just the concept of the jets offense taking flight? There was a three game stretch where they scored. I think they scored 34 points each week and Sam Darnold was really good. And
Starting point is 00:05:18 of course it was against three pretty bad defenses or at least two very bad defense. I think it was the giants, Redskskins, and Raiders. And that was more or less it for Darnold. But I think a lot of people really kind of think he's very talented and has a lot of potential. So, what are the chances that Jets offense surprising us and being really
Starting point is 00:05:37 good this year? Ben? I mean, there's a possibility because they have a young quarterback who is talented. But I will say, you know, PFF just released their offensive line rankings going into the season like last week. And, you know, the Jets have made a lot of moves along the offensive line this year, this offseason. They still ranked 27th there and they were very low last year. So they're at least trying to address that. But kind of the consensus there was they didn't exactly add
Starting point is 00:06:07 some great offensive line pieces. So I do think the line is an underrated part of this. And then we know that they lost Robbie Anderson, who was a key part of their passing game and at least being able to stretch defenses. They added Rashad Perriman, but I think Anderson has the better track record there as a deep threat. I don't know that they really have the skill possession talent either and if you don't have
Starting point is 00:06:27 a great line you're not i mean you can be happy about darnold you also don't have a coach with a great track record i mean sure there's potential for it but i'm i'm pretty much uh gonna just lean towards the consensus on this one which i don't always do but i will definitely hear and think that the jets are just they're not going to be good. I think that's the smart approach is that the Jets won't be good, but there is so much unknown with them because I know, you know, PFF is going on what they think is going to happen with the line, but it could be a decent line, which, you know, that's, you know, from Le'Veon's perspective, that's certainly something that he can benefit from. And then the skill positions, yes, while they lose Robbie Anderson,
Starting point is 00:07:08 they get three additions to replace him. They get Chris Herndon, who they didn't have last year, who I think still has some talent and can be very successful. They get not only Broussard Perryman, but also Denzel Mims. And we liked Mims coming into the draft process. I know Heath did. I did as well. I don't know about you, Ben, but, you know, he's certainly an added piece to this offense. So, you know, with Jamison Crowder,
Starting point is 00:07:28 they do have now three receivers that can help Sam Darnold. And then again, you know, Darnold taking that next step. So Le'Veon needs all of those things working well for him, I think to have the chance to be top six, I think top, top running back would be a significant, significant stretch. Based on what we saw from him last year. The thing for me with Bell is I just think Gase is going to ruin him because of Frank Gore.
Starting point is 00:07:50 He's just going to throw Gore in there in these situations that are going to make it frustrating. And so that's the thing that scares me about Bell is the positive things not happening to the level that I think they need to and then Gase just doing what Gase does, which is trying to rely on pieces that probably don't fit. All right, let's go to our second spicy,
Starting point is 00:08:11 something spicy to start the show from Robert Canfield. DeAndre Swift finishes with 1,000 plus rushing yards and 65 or more catches, earning top 10 RB status. DeAndre Swift, 1,000 yards on the ground. He'd be the first since 2013 for the Lions, and 65-plus catches,
Starting point is 00:08:30 which he would be the first since Theo Riddick probably a couple years ago. I mean, before last year, Lions running backs got a lot of catches, but last year was an exception. But, okay, that's the spicy take. DeAndre Swift, 1,000-plus yards, 65 plus catches, top 10 running back Heath. I liked the Le'Veon Bell one better.
Starting point is 00:08:51 I didn't think that was particularly realistic. Yeah, I have a hard time seeing DeAndre Swift. We're saying he's going to average 4.5 yards per carry and earn 220 carries and catch 65 passes and be above average in terms of efficiency on a bad line.
Starting point is 00:09:14 I just don't see it at all. By the way, he was third on Georgia in catches in his sophomore season, fourth on the team in receptions in his junior season. He did not catch as many passes as Clyde Edwards-Elair, but he caught somewhere around 55 passes
Starting point is 00:09:32 in his last two seasons at Georgia. Very good for running back. So, all right, Ben, why don't you give your take here? DeAndre Swift, 1,000-plus rushing guards, 65-plus catches. Is that less realistic than Le'Veon Bell just having a huge year on a surging Jets offense? I'll take this one more. I mean, part of
Starting point is 00:09:52 it's because we're talking about 1,000 yards compared to being the overall RB1. And the Le'Veon Bell thing, to me, it's just you're saying RB1 because he's been it before, but you've got to recognize how much the offense plays into that. The Steelers' offensive situation is so much different than the Jets. It would be so hard for him to do that in the Jets offense,
Starting point is 00:10:08 even if they were better. Swift for me, I can kind of see it. I'm not thrilled about it. Adam, you and I have gone back and forth, just talked a little bit about their offensive line. So just to reference these rankings as well, it's funny. I said they had a good line, and you noted that they had lost some pieces that I had forgotten about
Starting point is 00:10:22 and said they might have a bad line. They ranked 16th. So they're dead middle of the pack on this. So we'll have to split the difference a little bit here. I can take that. I mean, if you want to believe in a running game, then 16th is perfectly fine. Right, yeah, it's not bad, right?
Starting point is 00:10:37 And I think they took Swift high enough, and they could, especially if Carrion got hurt or something, which he has had a lot of injury troubles, they could turn over enough work to him that he could do this. But I think it would require – it would certainly require their line to play well, and it would require Stafford to stay healthy as well and be as good as he was last year, I think, in the passing game, which would take a lot of the pressure off of Swift.
Starting point is 00:11:01 And this offense could suddenly be, you know, somewhat decent. And we did see some of that last year. Stafford played well. So, I mean, I could see more upside in the Lions offense and I can see the Jets offense for sure. I would also take this over Le'Veon Bell, but the only way this one happens is if carry on gets hurt week one or, you know, first three weeks of the season. And,
Starting point is 00:11:20 and then Swift is just amazing. So, you know, we we've said this a lot, you know, I, I think Dave is counting on DeAndre Swift just completely kicking carry on to the side. But I think it's going to take carry on getting hurt for DeAndre Swift to be as good as, you know, if you're drafting him in the first four rounds. That's, I think, you know, where you're going to have to
Starting point is 00:11:37 really benefit the value for DeAndre Swift as a carry on injury. And for these numbers to happen, that's going to have to happen early in the year. All right. So in the last eight seasons, a Lions running back has had 50 or more catches seven times. And then two other occasions, Reggie Bush in 2014,
Starting point is 00:11:53 carry-on Johnson 2018, they were on pace for 50 or more catches, but they had shortened seasons. So it's been a big part of Matthew Stafford's game, but it wasn't last year, even when he was healthy. Maybe another personnel. 72 combined catches for all of their running... 73
Starting point is 00:12:09 I think for all of their running backs last year. Garbo had like 60 of those, right? Is that just weird? Is that just fluky? Is that because they don't have Theo Riddick or Reggie Bush anymore? No, I think Ben's talked about this. I think Darryl Bevel is generally, like, he likes to run the ball. But when they threw it, I think he's generally more of a downfield attack type passing game.
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Starting point is 00:12:55 cbssports.com slash newsletter. Stay up to date with fantasy football content as draft season is almost upon us. The news you need to know, podcast alerts, stuff like that in your inbox every day. All right, so let's go through the news and notes, guys. And then we got some emails to read, some Jeopardy
Starting point is 00:13:10 and some Apple podcast reviews. Thank you, by the way, for the Apple podcast. We're just getting a lot of them this week and very helpful stuff. Good questions, really good questions.
Starting point is 00:13:19 We're going to read them today. So Mark Andrews will play this season despite having type 1 diabetes, but obviously it's a risk. It's 1 diabetes, but obviously it's a risky condition to have with this disease out there. So is this going to factor into your Mark Andrews rankings? Is it the possibility that he might say, hey, I don't know, I just can't do it anymore?
Starting point is 00:13:39 Does that enter into your thoughts at all? Not now. Yeah, I've got to feel better about it now that he's addressed it at all? Not now. Yeah, I've got to feel better about it now that he's addressed it. Okay, fair enough. As of July 10th, 72 players had tested positive for the coronavirus. We don't know how many were tested,
Starting point is 00:13:56 but it seems like their initial tests, the positives are going to be higher percentage-wise than baseballs. Baseball's testing rate was, but we'll see. We'll have more information soon, I hope. Would you see the pro football talk report about how much time people will miss? Three weeks. They'll be on the COVID-19 list for three weeks. Any player testing positive.
Starting point is 00:14:20 So what do you make of that? Going to see a lot of waiver wire moves this year. Yeah, that's a tough one for fantasy football, period. There's a couple of things, and I mentioned one of these to Ben. I wonder if I should be a little bit more open to handcuffing this year with this going on, and then the other thing that I kind of wonder a little bit, maybe it just shouldn't matter. It doesn't matter in best ball i don't think or any type of high stakes contest but just your regular 12 team league where half the league's making the playoffs i
Starting point is 00:14:52 wonder if you need just a little bit more security in the later rounds knowing that you're more likely to have to use those bench guys and i one thing i thought was interesting because yeah heath and i did talk about this um there's in this note there was some some discussion that anyone who was exposed would also be quarantined right and so if i think that's an interesting thing too like i i agree with heath that probably being more open to handcuffing makes sense but it also wouldn't shock me if we see situations where the starting running back tests positive and his backup gets quarantined because he's been practicing in position drills with him and in meetings with him all week.
Starting point is 00:15:31 I mean, that's – It could be the whole room. Yeah, but then who plays running back? It's like I said to Heath, someone's got to play running back for him. Yeah, running backs, we could probably figure that out. Quarterback, you might just have to have different rooms for your quarterbacks because you can't have all your quarterbacks. Honestly, it's really amazing. Cam was
Starting point is 00:15:47 sitting out there. We don't know how the contract discussions were. If you were a playoff, I would have made him an offer more than what the Patriots played him just to have him on your roster just in case your quarterback goes down. It's just crazy to me that these teams didn't put a little bit more stock into
Starting point is 00:16:03 when Jameis was out there with Cam out there and, you know, some of the contracts that they may have been able to give those guys if it worked out for their team. But, man, there's going to be some scenarios where imagine the Chiefs don't have Mahomes for three weeks or the Ravens don't have Lamar Jackson for three weeks. And forget about fantasy. Just, you know, the implications that that could have on those NFL rosters if that's the case. You know, it's probably why the Chiefs are bringing back Matt Moore. Well, Bruce Arians talked about, I'm not sure if he was kidding or not,
Starting point is 00:16:30 I don't think he was, but he mentioned keeping a third quarterback just away from the team, basically, or away from the meeting rooms just to have that safety net. So I wouldn't be surprised if there's a quarterback sort of on call that is not really around the team all that much. It's going to be an interesting season. It's going to be a wacky year. It is.
Starting point is 00:16:48 And you know what? Baseball is going to show us, I guess in a sense, if it can be done. I don't think baseball will be as crazy, though, just because you don't have 12 guys starting right up against each other every play. Basketball is probably a better indication. Okay, fine. Both sports,
Starting point is 00:17:08 they'll be back soon. We'll see how they do. But soccer's been playing and they have contact to an extent. They pulled baseball off in Korea. It's just really these players are going to have to be extra cautious, I guess. The baseball players
Starting point is 00:17:23 have been talking about how they will be extra cautious. They have a responsibility to each extra cautious, I guess. And the baseball players have been talking about it. They will be extra cautious. You know, they have a responsibility to each other. Fingers crossed. Make it happen, guys. It's a tough ask for these athletes. If the Yankees win the World Series, does it come with an aspect for you? No.
Starting point is 00:17:37 Only if the Yankees win the World Series. It's legit. The Yankees are so good, it's insane. They're like 100% going to win the World Series. I'm almost not excited for baseball because insane. They're like 100% going to win the World Series. I'm almost not excited for baseball because it's just inevitable that they're going to win the World Series. It's a joke.
Starting point is 00:17:52 Are they healthy now? They are, except for Chapman and LeMahieu, who both have COVID. Judge Homer yesterday or Wednesday. Okay. Derrick Henry, four-year, $50 million deal, $25.5 million million guaranteed heath what does this mean for derrick henry's dynasty value um i went in and changed his risk factor just a little
Starting point is 00:18:13 bit um i feel more confident in where he's going to be for the next three years so it didn't really didn't change his place in the rankings enough but uh he's still a low end number one high end number two running back for me in Dynasty. You think he's there in three years? I think three is the number from what I understand, but maybe it's only two. I would say two. Was this an extension? It's new money in 2021 and 2022, right?
Starting point is 00:18:43 I don't know because what are they doing about this year? He was set to play on the franchise tag. He didn't have any years left. Right. So the extension lowered the cap hit for this year. And I believe for next year, then the cap hit is pretty extensive in 2022. And then I think there's an out after that. Okay.
Starting point is 00:18:59 Does this change his value this year in any way? I actually have that wrong. 2021. The cap number is a lot, is a lot higher. It's just this year in any way? I actually have that wrong. 2021, the cap number is a lot higher. It's just this year that it lowered the cap number. Interesting. Does it change his value? No. I think if you're going to go get Derrick Henry,
Starting point is 00:19:16 you're going to take him probably middle of the first round in non-PPR, back into the first round in PPR, and that's where he should go if you want to draft him. He's not making it past the first 15 overall picks. And mostly it's a fly on my face. Jamie's going to accuse me of picking my nose. But I, if I,
Starting point is 00:19:36 if you see that I'm just swatting away a little stupid fruit fly. So pardon me for that. All right. We got a few emails here and jeopardy. Really looking forward to it. Fantasy football at ci.com. Hey, foot, base, basket, and bowling. Balls. Yeah, there you go.
Starting point is 00:19:52 Thanks, Mike from Salem, Massachusetts, for getting Heath to say that. I am the commissioner of a 12-team PPR league that is highly competitive. Sometimes you have to think outside the box to get ahead with these maniacs, and I have an idea. Hear me out.
Starting point is 00:20:06 I had Lamar last year and I finished second. I've been in love ever since. I'm going to have the sixth pick this year. And here's what I'm thinking. If I take Lamar sixth overall and then take the best available wide receiver. What? No. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:20:21 Go ahead. If I take Lamar at six overall and then take the best available wide receiver in round two Evans Godwin Tyreek Hill will not be Tyreek Hill aren't I getting three players in one I'm getting a top 10 to 15 running back and a top
Starting point is 00:20:38 five fantasy quarterback in one player that's Lamar obviously with him then I get a top tier wide receiver and then I work a top-tier wide receiver, and then I work my way to the end knowing there's a lot of value down the road. Am I totally insane or am I an evil genius? Super insane.
Starting point is 00:20:53 Super insane. So, first of all, this happened a lot last year. People showed Lamar's rushing, and they said, here's how it would rank among the fantasy running backs, but they never included the running backs receiving. They would always say, his rushing value is this good. among the fantasy running backs, but they never included the running backs receiving. They would always say his rushing value is this good. You're getting a top 10 running back,
Starting point is 00:21:12 but you weren't actually getting a top 10 running back with just Lamar's rushing because he didn't catch a single pass, right? So all these running backs that we're just ignoring their receiving work to say that Lamar was giving you that. And then secondly, you're not getting that plus a top five fantasy quarterback because if you take out Lamar's, you're not getting that plus a top five fantasy quarterback because if you take out Lamar's rushing, you then don't have a top five fantasy quarterback
Starting point is 00:21:29 with just his passing. You have Kyler Murray, basically, which was last year, who was like QB 10. If he had no rushing stats. Right. And that was with him throwing 36 touchdowns last year. But if Kyler Murray had no rushing stats,
Starting point is 00:21:45 he would have been QB 20-something. No, what I'm saying is, yeah. But if you take Lamar Jackson's fantasy points, subtract all of his rushing totals, seven touchdowns and 1,200 yards, he would have scored about the same amount of points as Kyler Murray, who was in six-point-per-passing touchdown leagues. And that was somewhere around QB 10. So, I mean, he still was very good, right? Back into the top
Starting point is 00:22:10 10 quarterback. I'm just saying you're not getting a top 10 to 15 fantasy running back with just as rushing and you're not getting a top five fantasy quarterback with just as passing. And that's, I think, where his thinking is going wrong because he thinks he's getting three players in one. Well, he also has to do that exact same thing again, which is, you know, historical. I mean, that's the stupid part of it. It's like, you know, he's going to be good if he's healthy. He's not going to be that good though. That's very difficult to do. Man, it's weird. So his rushing totals were like
Starting point is 00:22:39 equal to Tariq Cohen in PPR. In terms of his fantasy points, without the catches, as Ben said, you just take the 1,200 yards and seven touchdowns and no catches at all. Tariq Cohen scored as many points. So you're getting a QB, streamer, and a flex. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:58 Now if you're in a non-PPR league, it might be different. You know what? I'm kind of curious. If you want to take Lamar at six, go ahead. Well, take him in the second round. If you're dying to have him. We don't know how quarterbacks go in Mike's league, but
Starting point is 00:23:09 just take him and enjoy him and then get another running back along with it. Don't stress yourself out. Let's see in non-PPR. Phillip Lindsey. That's better. Yeah. Kenyon Drake. Kenyon Drake, Phillip Lindsey.
Starting point is 00:23:28 Alvin Kamara scored like 166 fantasy points in non-ppr and lamar jackson scored like 162 rushing okay uh next question here from taylor in oregon i'm going to combine it with an Apple podcast review from Bayou Bengal Elite. Taylor says, Dear Rory, John, Justin, Dustin, and Webb, I think those are golfers. What do you think of the draft strategy of targeting a promising rookie running back while also drafting the veteran probable week one starter?
Starting point is 00:23:59 Like drafting both Chiefs guys, both Lions guys, both Ravens guys. No, not Lions. He didn't put them in. Both Colts guys and both Ravens guys, both Lions guys, both Ravens guys. No, not Lions. He didn't put them in. Both Colts guys and both Ravens guys. And then Bayou Bango Elite on Apple Podcasts said, could Damian Williams be a sleeper? His ADP is so late with everyone being so high on Clyde Edwards' E-layer.
Starting point is 00:24:18 With everything going on, it's hard for me to take Edwards' E-layer where he keeps going. So, I don't know. It's a question about the veteran running backs, I guess, in these backfields. But what do you think about getting both guys in a backfield? I think it's great. We talked about this a few weeks ago.
Starting point is 00:24:34 I said I would take both Edward Ziller and Damian Williams. We just finished talking about, is it smart to handcuff some of these running back situations? And these are very feasible to do. So you're looking at the way Baltimore ran the ball last year. handcuff some of these running back situations and these are very feasible to do so you know you're looking at the way Baltimore ran the ball last year Dobbins could be an absolute stud if Ingram goes down he's probably going to step into the 130 or so carries potentially at least that Gus Edwards is you know could vacate Williams and Keith has alluded to this before you know
Starting point is 00:25:00 Williams and Edwards Hilaire can split up 26 carries that the chiefs had last year, you know, so you're doing 13 each of what they're doing in the passing game. That'll be great. Mac may get off to a good start early in the season before Taylor, you know, shoves them off the field. If that's what happens as Ben has alluded to many times. So, you know, one could get you off to a good start and then one could finish the season
Starting point is 00:25:19 or if there's a guy that misses time because of whatever case, then you're going to be in good shape either way. So, yeah, I think it's a smart strategy, but don't force it if you don't have to. You know, don't reach for, you know, Williams is going to be the first one that goes, be my guess, maybe him or Dobbins. But, you know, if you can get Edward Solaire
Starting point is 00:25:34 probably early around three, I think, is where he'll end up settling, or maybe middle around three. And then Williams in that round six, round seven range, I think that's fine. And then the other guys are easy to do. These three examples are all really good offenses. Well, let me ask you this, Ben.
Starting point is 00:25:48 If you were going to pick one backfield based on ADP to get both guys, which one would you choose? Probably the Chiefs. Okay. I'm comfortable with that. Heath, how about you? Definitely the Ravens because um ingram's down
Starting point is 00:26:08 in round five six dobbins can be had in round seven eight um so that'd be my favorite for sure one more question for now nick in san francisco hey melvin monte james and jonathan badgers runners bad, that's right. He's got a lengthy email about Jonathan Taylor. I'll sum it up. He's watched some Jonathan Taylor tape. Doesn't think he's as great as he was worthy of the hype. And he thinks that that soft schedule
Starting point is 00:26:37 for the Colts will actually benefit Marlon Mack. So, Ben, since you always draft Jonathan Taylor, what would you like to say to Nick in San Francisco? Well, yeah, I saw this email and I pointed it out to you because he also commented that
Starting point is 00:26:54 Taylor does not seem comparable to Zeke, and I've made that comparison before. And he said that Taylor's been held by some good defenses like Ohio State, and that's just i don't think really holds water if you dig into it taylor did have a couple poor games against ohio state but he did have 150 yard game against ohio state in the third time that he faced him
Starting point is 00:27:13 and there's pretty much no other team that stopped him he had 100 yards every all three times he played michigan he had over 100 total yards and two scores when he played michigan state he had over 100 yards every time he played iowa uh He was better against some bad teams for sure. And if you look at Zeke's profile when he was in college, he was dominant in their title run when Zeke was a sophomore and crushed Alabama, crushed Oregon in the title game. So there's definitely a note in Zeke's favor that he was really good against good competition. But I don't think it holds water that Taylor was bad against good competition. He was worse than he was against bad schools. But you'd expect a really good player to be good against bad schools,
Starting point is 00:27:47 and you'd expect their team to lead more, and he would run more. But one thing I thought was really interesting, I started digging into this, is they're actually super, super comparable. I just want to reemphasize how good of a prospect Taylor is. His final season, he caught 26 passes for 252 yards. Zeke really only played in two of his three years. He caught 27 and 28 passes for 206 and2 yards. Zeke really only played in two of his three years. He got 27 and 28 passes for 206 and 220 yards. So he was used as a receiver in two seasons where Taylor kind of only was in one
Starting point is 00:28:12 season, but their receiving lines per those seasons were very similar. And I think that's an area where people think Taylor can't really play. And then if you look at their rushing, I mean, Taylor's rushing was better just kind of generally over all three seasons than zeke's best season uh but but still comparable i think zeke was very efficient taylor was very efficient taylor was more efficient in the passing game he almost had as many receiving yards over their careers as zeke did and then you look at them as prospects taylor ran a 439 zeke ran a 4.47. So Taylor was about eight hundredths of a second faster, almost a tenth of a second faster.
Starting point is 00:28:49 He was one pound heavier and he was two inches shorter. So he's actually thicker than Zeke. His BMI is a lot higher. He tested better in the jumps. He was a lot more explosive. Zeke didn't run the agility drills, but Taylor was above average in the agility drills. So from a physical standpoint, it's every tested bit of evidence we have shows that Taylor is also the superior athlete. Frankly, they're about the same size and he tested better. Obviously now
Starting point is 00:29:16 Taylor didn't go in the top 10. He doesn't step right into a situation like Zeke did where he's the clearly back and a huge one. Zeke was well for his pass blocking uh taylor has a little bit more questions some more questions there taylor has some fumble issues there are some differences but i actually think like as far as what kind of prospect they are you look at their production and even look at the fact you know the receiving like i said um and you look at their their testing like they are very very similar taylor is a very very good prospect all right he's been because i'm curious uh obviously you love taylor for redraft and this would stink but in dynasty if john den taylor was melvin gordon would you be happy or disappointed i'd be i'd be happy i'd be thrilled i mean he's
Starting point is 00:29:59 been a star i mean gordon's another guy who didn't catch a lot of passes at wisconsin which is something we see with some college offenses um and one other thing I noticed with Taylor, I mean, just to throw this out there, he caught multiple passes 12 times, only 11 times in his career out of 41 games, did he have a sub five yards per carry in a game. So about a quarter of his games, seven of those 11 games were his multi-catch games. And then he only had multi-catch games in five of the other 30 games, which is to say that when he wasn't efficient running the ball, that's when they actually did try to use him in the passing game. And he had some explosive plays in the passing game. I do think the fact that he didn't catch a ton of balls is mainly because of
Starting point is 00:30:38 what their offense was. It's how it was with Melvin. And then Melvin went to the pros and he caught way more passes. It would not surprise me if something similar happened with, with Taylor. And if, if he has a career similar to, to, to Gordon's in that regard where he can catch some passes and score some touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:30:52 Yeah. I would be thrilled with that. That's a good. Yeah. I mean, the only reason I bring it up is because obviously Melvin Gordon was terrible as a rookie, but he was great since then,
Starting point is 00:30:59 aside from the holdout, you know? So if you're getting that a dynasty, you'd be happy with that, but in redraft, you'd be miserable if you're getting that in 2020. All right, Heath, I'm sorry. You're cracking me up.
Starting point is 00:31:09 Why am I cracking you up? I was watching the tracker and Jonathan Taylor during the first answer passed DJ Moore for our most talked about player this year. And then during the second answer, he passed AJ Brown. He's now our number one most talked about player this year. All right.
Starting point is 00:31:23 Hey, congratulate. We need some balloons for Jonathan Taylor. I think that stuff's really interesting. Yeah, look, it could favor Marlon Mack, though, out of the gate. It's a good point by Nick. Sure. Yeah, I mean, this isn't a knock on the Mack point at all because the stuff about the O-line,
Starting point is 00:31:38 they graded number one overall in this PFF thing, and their schedule is the number one softest schedule. If you look at vegas win losses by a lot by a lot over the next best uh next softest schedule those things are very favorable to running and so yeah that those things could definitely end up pointing towards mac sure i thought you're gonna ask us for a spicy um something spicy so i had uh five running backs you could draft after round six that you could win your league with.
Starting point is 00:32:07 If you start with three wide receivers and a tight end and Mac was one of the five. So, okay. I mean, it's just, these guys are going to be great value picks. And if he holds onto the job and still gets however much percent of the
Starting point is 00:32:20 touches until maybe Taylor takes over, you're going to be okay. All right. Well, that was some good stuff guys, but let's see how you do with jeopardy. Let's see. Let's see how you do when you have to answer in the form of a question, which is always a struggle with this group. We're gonna take a quick break. When we come back,
Starting point is 00:32:34 let the games begin on fantasy football today. Metro links and cross links are reminding everyone to be careful as Eglinton crosstown LRT train testing is in progress. Thanks for watching. Be aware and stay safe. Pecan Crunch Oat Latte. Nutty, buttery deliciousness and crunchy pecan flavor. Trick question, of course. It's the last call for fall, so don't miss out on your fall faves. Next stop, Starbucks. All right, here we go. Everybody's favorite fantasy game show. It's time for Fantasy Jeopardy. I've got three categories and three answers within each category. They are for $200, $400, and $600. And the three categories are
Starting point is 00:33:51 team stats, player stats, and Acer stats. Oh, God. Team stats, player, okay. Heath, the board is yours. We're going to let you go first. And if you want to buzz in, please just say your name and I will call on you. Go ahead, Heath.
Starting point is 00:34:08 Acer stats for 600. Acer stats for 600. Okay. This early round running back averaged 3.7 yards per carry or less in each of his last eight games, including the postseason. 3.7 yards per carry or less. Did he finish top 10? He's an early round drafted running back.
Starting point is 00:34:32 I'll tell you, first two rounds. Last eight games, including the playoffs. He went to the playoffs. He averaged 3.7 yards per carry or worse or less in every game. Three, two. By the way, you don't lose points for guessing,
Starting point is 00:34:46 so. Heath. All right, Heath, Heath, what do you got? Ezekiel Elliott. Like you mean,
Starting point is 00:34:53 who is Ezekiel Elliott? Who is Ezekiel Elliott? Who is? Oh, okay, Ben. Austin Eckler. I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:35:02 They were not in the playoffs. Oh yeah, they were in the playoffs. Jamie, you got a guess? No, you know what? I'm not going to allow it. I'm no idea. They were not in the playoffs. Oh, yeah, they were in the playoffs. Jamie, you got a guess? No, you know what? I'm not going to allow it. I'm not going to allow it. Who is Dalvin Cook? Oh, interesting. Really limped to the finish line
Starting point is 00:35:13 there, Dalvin Cook. All right, Heath, the board is still yours. These are stats for 400, please. Okay, this quarterback averaged 34 fantasy points per game against two of his division opponents and 20.5 against everyone else.
Starting point is 00:35:32 That's a great answer, Dad. This quarterback averaged 34 points against two of his division opponents and 20.5 points per game against everyone else. JV's like, I feel like you want to jump in. Heath! Who is Russell Wilson? Jamie.
Starting point is 00:35:58 Jamie! Who is Josh Allen? Ben. Ben! Matthew Stafford I didn't even have to try Who is Dak Prescott Giants and Redskins He torched him I thought maybe that was Allen against the Dolphins
Starting point is 00:36:17 He only had one game I think with more than 25 points Josh Allen and that was against the Dolphins Such an Acer, it sure is. All right. He's the board is yours. A's are stats for 200. Please. In his last eight games,
Starting point is 00:36:34 he was on pace for 119 catches, 1,515 yards and five touchdowns on 181 targets. Heath Heath. Heath. Who is Devontae Adams? You guys suck. His last five games? His last eight games.
Starting point is 00:36:58 119 catches, 1,500 yards, five touchdowns. You can't even piece for five touchdowns in eight games. It has to be a roundup. Yeah, well, okay. I round it up. 4.6, whatever. Who knows? Did he have 2.3 touchdowns? No, come on has to be a round. Yeah, well, okay. I rounded up 4.6. Whatever. Who knows? Did he have 2.3 touchdowns? Come on. We've got enough clues. The time's up. You're right about that.
Starting point is 00:37:12 I don't know how it could have been. It's mathematically impossible. Yeah, you're probably right about that. Don't. Stephen Sims. I got to figure this out here. Robert Woods. What did you say out here. Robert Woods. What did you say?
Starting point is 00:37:27 Who is Robert Woods? Robert Woods. Is that right? No, it's Robert Woods. That was my first thought, but I was like, he only scored two touchdowns. You can't pace for five. I should have said four then, huh? I remember the 118 catches. Yeah, you still should have gotten it.
Starting point is 00:37:44 I should have said four touchdowns. It was incorrect. You gave us bad information. That's my bad. It was a... It was the azer of all azer stats because it wasn't even right. It was his last seven games, not his last eight games.
Starting point is 00:37:59 No points transferred hands on that one. Damn it. No, Jamie got it. I don't get points for that? What do you mean? I'm giving it to Jamie. Oh, that was such an Azar stat. Damn, I Azared the hell out of that. All right, Jamie. You ruined your own stats.
Starting point is 00:38:12 The board is yours. $200 in your bank account. What are the categories again? Team stats and player stats. Let's do player stats for $200. These are the only two players with 97 or more catches in each of the last three seasons. These?
Starting point is 00:38:31 Two players. No. With 97 or more catches in each of the last three seasons. Ben. Michael Thomas and Christian McCaffrey? Oh, crap. I didn't look at McCaffrey.
Starting point is 00:38:41 I only did wide receivers. McCaffrey has 100 catches in the last two years. No, but he didn't have it the first... He didn't have it three years ago. It is three. I don't know if he did it in his rookie year. I didn't look at McCaffrey. McCaffrey has 100 catches the last two years. No, but he didn't have it the first... It is three. I don't know if he did it in his rookie year. That's why I said that as a question mark. I don't think he did.
Starting point is 00:38:54 Okay. 97 or more each the last three years. Heath. Michael Thomas and DeAndre Hopkins. Each of the last three years or each of his last three years? The last three years. The last three years. The last three years.
Starting point is 00:39:09 They're hard today. Michael Thomas and Julio Jones. Michael Thomas. Who are Michael Thomas and Keenan Allen? Jamie, the board is yours. Player stats and team stats. Player stats for 400. Okay. Got to kind of listen
Starting point is 00:39:25 to this one. Pay attention. This is kind of an Acer stat. More Acer stats. Among quarterbacks currently in the top 24 in ADP who threw 200 or more passes last season. It's really not that complicated, but not
Starting point is 00:39:41 Joe Burrow, not Ben Roethlisberger, not Drew Locke. This quarterback had the lowest touchdown rate in 2019. Ben. Go ahead. Jared Goff. Nice, Ben. 400 for Ben. And you know what?
Starting point is 00:39:58 If he had had a 5.7% touchdown rate like he did in 2018, Goff would have thrown I think 36 touchdowns. Would have had a much different season. Ben, the board is yours. I don't know what's available, so just pick something. Alright, we have team stats, all the categories, and we have player stats
Starting point is 00:40:18 for $600. Let's go with player stats for $600. Only the Patriots and Steelers scored more fantasy points than this DST. Number three DST last year, guys. Patriots and Steelers? Ben.
Starting point is 00:40:36 Bills? You're really ready with the horn there. Anybody want to guess? You got to say who are the and then guess a team. Who are the Titans? Heath.
Starting point is 00:40:53 Heath. Who are the Buccaneers? Oh, Heath for 600. Well done, sir. Can you believe that? The Bucs were the number three DST. They got a lot of sacks.
Starting point is 00:41:08 They improved a lot. They scored a bunch of touchdowns, right? I'm not sure. I only know the surface stats, you know. I literally have not looked at DST stats one time this offseason. I did when I was looking for something. They had six defensive touchdowns. Wow. But I'm wondering
Starting point is 00:41:27 if they're a sleeper team, sleeper DST. Do you have them in your top 12? Yes. I think they are. I think the only concern would be is they have to play the Falcons and the Saints four times. So there could be some shootouts there. But their run defense was amazing
Starting point is 00:41:43 last year. Their secondary got better. Their pass rush, you know, when JPP was on the field was very good. And so the fact that they kept Barrett is a big step in the right direction. So yes, they absolutely are. All right. Updated standings. Jamie 200, Ben 400, Heath 600. Nobody got any Acer stats. You all
Starting point is 00:41:59 got a player stat, so that's good. Oh, no, you didn't. Who got an Acer stat? Oh, Jamie got an Acer stat. That's right. I process of elimination, Tim, out of my answers and guess Stephen Sims instead. A wrong Acer stat. Stephen Sims was a good guess, though.
Starting point is 00:42:16 All right, team stats. Didn't he have three touchdowns, though? Yeah, he was not a very good guess at all. Team stats for two, four, and six. I don't even remember who got the last one right. Heath did. I did. You're born.
Starting point is 00:42:26 I will go team stats for 600, please. This team allowed the fewest sacks in the NFL in 2019. Ben. Ben. I'm sure you're going to get it wrong. Go ahead. I'm going to say the Chargers. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:42:47 I have a better guess. Who are the 49ers? Heath. Heath. Vikings? I love the Saxon DST questions. Those are anything anyone cares about. I thought this was super interesting because the answer is actually the Rams.
Starting point is 00:43:09 Oh, wow. That is interesting. Isn't that weird? Yeah. Makes me wonder if it's wrong. Did you just look at the Rams today? The Rams allowed the fewest sacks in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Yeah. He must've gotten the ball out really quickly. I don't know. He never throws deep. Can somebody confirm that? Cause I actually looked at it. I just looked it up. Yeah, he must have gotten the ball out really quickly. I don't know. He never throws deep. Can somebody confirm that? Because I actually looked it up. It is. I just looked it up.
Starting point is 00:43:29 Yeah. I was so insecure about it. I double checked. Imagine they did that on Jeopardy. Hey, can you confirm that, please? It just seems so wrong, you know? It just seems so. Where are the Rams offensive line in the PFF rankings?
Starting point is 00:43:41 Do you have that? Low. 21, 2, 3, 4, 25. 25? Wow. Okay. The first teams I thought of were the Patriots and Saints, but you never ask questions with easy answers,
Starting point is 00:43:56 so I obviously wasn't going to ask. I was just thinking who dropped back the least. The $600 question. That's why I went with the $400. Exact same thought. All right. Fantasy Jeopardy team stats for
Starting point is 00:44:07 $400, Heath. You're picking that. Okay. This team led the NFL in yards per play in 2019. Ben. Ben. Titans. Heath. Heath.
Starting point is 00:44:24 49ers. This is fantasy football. I hit the wrong button. It's amazing how bad you are at this. James. Ravens. Who are the Dallas Cowboys? Best yards per play.
Starting point is 00:44:42 By a pretty substantial margin. Three-tenths of a yard, which doesn't sound like a lot, but I believe the difference between one and two was bigger than the difference between any other spots in the standings in that statistic. And finally, Heath is still the winner right now. Leader. Yeah, the leader.
Starting point is 00:45:02 The leader right now. What did I say? I said winner? That's for me. Okay, here we go. Team stats for 200. A chance for Ben to tie and Jamie to tie Ben in second place.
Starting point is 00:45:15 This team... Before Final Jeopardy. Oh, I don't have a Final Jeopardy question. Okay, let's go. Let's go. Let's go. This team led the NFL in plays in 2019. Ben. Ben.
Starting point is 00:45:35 Panthers. Falcons. No. Panthers? Yeah, right. Led the NFL inelon plays. Heath. Heath.
Starting point is 00:45:50 Eagles. Oh my gosh, for the win. All right, Heath. Oh, wait a second. In that answer in the form of a question, you lose 200 points. You are now tied with Ben. Congratulations to both Ben and Heath, co-winners
Starting point is 00:46:06 today with $400. Way to go. That was another terrible round of Fantasy Jeopardy. Apple Podcast questions. This is from also, why are all the names taken? That's who wrote this review.
Starting point is 00:46:21 Russell Wilson, how many more good years can I expect out of Russell Wilson before he drops out of that top six range? It's a very good question and one that I've contemplated often. Really? Why? Because of Aaron Rodgers.
Starting point is 00:46:39 And because he's averaged like 80 or 60 or something fantasy points per year on the ground. And at his age, I wouldn't expect him to continue that. So if they're successful and he keeps throwing in the low 500s of passes and the rushing yards go down, he's really dependent on that high touchdown rate, just like Rodgers was. And we saw what happened when Rodgers fell off. Yeah, fair.
Starting point is 00:47:04 Rodgers also lost weapons, though. I mean, they're giving Russell Wilson weapons, so hopefully that's the counter to some of this, is that they're giving him some guys to help him. I mean, if they give Antonio Brown this year and then Metcalf is ascending, as we, I think, or at least hope in some capacity to continue to improve after his rookie season
Starting point is 00:47:24 and Lockett stays where he is, I mean, there at least hope in some capacity to continue to improve after his rookie season and Lockett stays where he is. I mean, there are ifs, but the hope would be is that they continue to build around Russell Wilson as opposed to the Packers who are saying, here, run the ball. All right. So what's the answer? How many years? We did not answer that at all.
Starting point is 00:47:40 I'll take three more years. I'll take more like four or five. I'd go two to three. All right. So I'm going to detour from Apple Podcasts real quick. I got Final three more years. I'll take more like four or five. I'd go two to three. All right. So I'm going to detour from Apple Podcasts real quick. I got Final Jeopardy. I'm going to settle this. Heath has legitimately $800.
Starting point is 00:47:55 Ben has $400. Jamie has $200. Your category is kickers. So do you guys want to IM me your bids? This is why it's very difficult to do Final Jeopardy in this format. Feel free to... You want to IM me how much you're going to wager? I'm going to wager all 400. I don't think that's confusing
Starting point is 00:48:14 for anyone. Okay, you're going to wager 200. 200. Heath, what about you? I will wager $1. Okay. Within five yards, this is how long Harrison Butker's longest made field goal was last year. Wait, I can't really do it within five yards. I will. I will. That's fine. Within five yards, within three yards, make it a little tougher.
Starting point is 00:48:42 Within three yards, this was Harrison Butucker's longest made field goal last year. And are we guessing or we're sending you a message? Can you IM me? I can. Yeah, IM me your guess. How long was Harrison Bucker's longest field goal within
Starting point is 00:49:00 three yards last year? Jamie has given me an answer. You got three seconds, guys. Well, I got to pull your name up in the IM2. All right, fine. Ben has given me an answer. No, that's a bad answer. I'm going to be asking this question. I'm going to give you some pressure here. Ben and Jamie
Starting point is 00:49:18 are both right. They both got it right. I just sent the answer to RJ White. So, 54. You all got it right. 53, 54, 55 were the three guesses, and his longest field goal was 56.
Starting point is 00:49:34 There is no way I could take this title away from Heath. Good job, Heath. You won by one dollar. How old is that your question? His long kick was 56? I would assume for any kicker, it's like right around 55, especially one with a good leg. Jeez, that was a really harsh criticism, Ben. Not fair.
Starting point is 00:49:52 All right, next question from Apple Podcasts from Tony Chavez, 1995. Why are you all so low on the Vikings? We aren't that bad. No. What do you mean? The offense just sucks. Yeah, from a fantasy standpoint standpoint it's not an exciting offense well i mean you have a top five overall player who's going to get drafted if he's there
Starting point is 00:50:13 justin jefferson's not that good jamie jefferson's not going to be the one in the top five you're right it'll be alexander madison um i think theolin's going to go anywhere toward the back end of round two or beginning round three three, depending on how many receivers go. So probably round three. How many teams have two players in the first three rounds? I'm kind of worried about them, though, as a team. I don't know how they were seventh in scoring defense last year when their defense wasn't really that good.
Starting point is 00:50:38 Maybe that's just Mike Zimmer. I am worried about their defense getting worse. Yeah, but losing Diggs is a big deal. Not if Jefferson's good. He won't be Diggs. There's almost no chance he's going to be Diggs. Diggs is super efficient. Plus, Thielen's pretty injury prone.
Starting point is 00:50:53 I don't know. Just a non-fantasy conversation. I think Irv Smith is going to be good. I'm excited about him. I like him too. He could be Dallas Goddard. Maybe not top 10 finish, but he could be Dallas Goddard. Steven from a football city where no folding table is safe.
Starting point is 00:51:10 That's Buffalo. Okay, can you talk about holdouts and discuss contracts? Some of the biggest league winners like Eckler and Connor and maybe Madison this year are players that Dynasty or Keeper League players could benefit from targeting before their value blows up. If you could predict likely holdout players, you could target their backups for cheap
Starting point is 00:51:31 and possibly land a player with a much higher value rather than just discussing after the news breaks. Any guys come to mind as possible holdouts? I mean, Joe Mixon is in the same position as Cook where they're in the final year of their rookie deals. Kamara, too. I didn't think about Kamara. Again, and I don't know, I'm not a CBA specialist,
Starting point is 00:51:57 but from what I've heard from people that have looked at it, it's going to be a lot harder to hold out now. I'm going to designate you the CBA specialist of the podcast. I'm going to put that on you. From this point forward, I will have all CBA knowledge. Dave's pretty good. One thing I'll say just broadly to the question, the vast majority tend to be, in my recollection,
Starting point is 00:52:17 I guess it wasn't true for Bell, but tend to be guys that are in the last year of the rookie deals. I guess sometimes it's guys who got tagged, but you go back to that draft class is what I like to do. Like, so rookies in the first round will have a fifth year option. You should know whether they've had a fifth year option or their first round pick, but these running backs, we're just talking about, we're outside the first round cook mixing and Camara.
Starting point is 00:52:40 We're all drafted until 2017 draft. You go back to that class. Anyone who was not a first round pick has been probably, and it's has been good, has probably been underpaid for a couple of years, they're going into the final year of a four-year rookie deal, they would be the ones that I would look at. I think the problem with the guys that we mentioned is, you know, the guys behind Gio in Cincinnati are such wild cards. So if you're just talking about a 2020,, a 2020, you know, seasonal thing, Gio has some value. Latavius Murray has some value, but he's older, you know? So those guys
Starting point is 00:53:11 don't necessarily have a lot of long-term potential. If you want to trade for Alexander Madison now, that's a smart move because there's a good chance Dalvin Cook is out the door next year in Minnesota. So he could be the starter there. Like I don't, I don't see right. Paul Armstead as a starter in Jacksonville long-term, you know, he wasn't a big prospect. He wasn't somebody they invested in a lot. So even if he does get the opportunity to showcase himself this year, he, and the Jaguars say, Oh, we may have found our guy. He's not their guy long-term he's going to eventually be replaced.
Starting point is 00:53:37 So that's not somebody I think long-term you're looking at as if Fournette leaves, you know, Armstead or certainly not Chris Thompson is, is the guy there. So, you know, in these scenarios, I think that are realistic, like the, the Chargers scenario worked out great because Eckler is a rising player and we'll see how he does now stepping into a full-time role, but he got a great scenario last year in those first four games to sort of showcase himself. And I think make the Chargers feel comfortable about giving him the contract that they gave him. So I think the players you want to try and target are the ones that are going to step into
Starting point is 00:54:08 maybe prominent roles. Like the first thing that came to my mind when you read this question is T. Higgins. Like if you, you know, somebody that drafted T. Higgins in their rookie only draft and may not be thrilled with the rest of their roster, I would try and get him somewhat cheap because he may not play very much as rookie here,
Starting point is 00:54:25 but if he's the guy with Joe Burrow and that's the player that they sort of build around after taking him to the second round and A.J. Green is most likely gone next year, that's a player that I'd want to invest in because I think he could be good. Denzel Mims, if Rashad Perryman was, you know, middle of his career right now, maybe, you know, not going to do very much long-term. Mims could be somebody that you could, you know, get some good long-term value from if Darnold,
Starting point is 00:54:44 as we talked about at the start of the show, does do better. So it's not maybe the hidden guys, because I don't know if there are very many right now that we could say if this happens or that happens. But I think there's a couple of obvious ones to me. Higgins and Mims would be two that I would look at. All right. Dynasty question from Paris. And Irv Smith is another one, too. If you can get him cheap, that's a guy I would invest in heavily. From Paris. My Dynasty League allows for the drafting of free agents during the rookie draft.
Starting point is 00:55:14 12-team PPR League. It's not tight end premium. Where would you take Hayden Hurst, Chase Edmonds, Boston Scott, and Justin Jackson among the rookies? Edmonds is another good example of what among the rookies. Edmonds is another good example of what we just talked about because if Drake does not sign long-term there, maybe he does enough to give himself a big
Starting point is 00:55:33 role next year. Maybe not the lead guy, but big role. Hayden Hurst, Chase Edmonds are the prizes here. Hurst, I'd take higher than I think any of the tight ends in this class, which means probably in the later second though or maybe mid-second because you know there's some pretty good running backs and receivers that are going to go in the first 15 picks um i'd probably still take a guy
Starting point is 00:55:55 like joe burrow over hearst um depending on on your tight end need but that's about where i'd value him the other running backs are all guys that I would probably not take until the third round of a rookie draft or even possibly the fourth round. They're all guys that have been in the league a couple of years. They're exciting. I mean, Boston Scott's exciting. I really like him as a target this year, Edmonds too, but you're you'd have to pass up some potentially breakout rookies, you know, like some of these, some, you can, I don't just throw away third-round rookie picks
Starting point is 00:56:26 is the point, or even second-round rookie picks. It's a cost-benefit thing. Darrington Evans is going to be there in the third round of your rookie draft, probably, or the early part of your third round, or Joshua Kelly. Now, given the news on Derrick Henry,
Starting point is 00:56:41 I'd rather have Chase Edmonds in Dynasty a lot better spot than Edmonds. I'd rather have Chase Edmonds in Dynasty than Darren Therese. Yeah, I agree with Ben almost completely on Hayden Hurst early to mid-second. I would put Edmonds, though, right... I'd put him in the second round as well. Boston Scott
Starting point is 00:56:58 would be more fourth. The one thing about Hurst is we're ranking him and I think industry-wise, ranking him as somewhere close to thewise ranking him as you know somewhere close to the top 10 if you're at the back end of your first round you're probably the league winner or you know guy that made the playoffs so your team is probably a little bit more set and so if you're trying to turn your roster over and prepare for the future in dynasty then you're probably going to skew a little bit younger so i think what ben and heath are saying is correct but if you
Starting point is 00:57:23 like i'm i'm just thinking of my team in our league, Heath, where it's 14 teams. It's a little bit different. But Hurst helps me more now than taking Brandon Ayuk at 14. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. If you had a contender
Starting point is 00:57:39 that needed a tight end, 14, I don't think is too early. Yeah, I don't either. All right. From CJ Johnson, 12.'t either. All right, from CJ Johnson, 12. Dynasty help. Dear Smith, Taylor, Ware, and Freeney. Some good pass rushers there.
Starting point is 00:57:52 Yeah. Love the show. Listen all the time. I have the second and fourth pick in my Superflex Dynasty rookie only draft. I'm in need of a running back
Starting point is 00:58:00 and I have no clue where to go. Should I take Clyde Edwards-Elair? Remember, it's Superflex here. Fourth pick. Second. Should I take Clyde Edwards-Elair? Remember, it's super flex here. Fourth pick. Second and fourth pick. Clyde Edwards-Elair, Taylor, or Dobbins? I know 1.03 will take a running
Starting point is 00:58:12 back. I have Drake, Singletary, and a handful of handcuffs. I have Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson, Gardner Minshew, Winston, and Haskins. He's got picks two and four. Which way would you go there? Clyde Edwards-Eire, Taylor, Dobbins, two of those three? He's assuming Burroughs won.
Starting point is 00:58:30 I guess. Burroughs won. You're getting the top two running backs, which would be pretty incredible. Well, you have two and four. Two and four, yeah. Yeah, he said he knows that. Oh, right. Three is going to go with a running back.
Starting point is 00:58:41 My bad. I'd probably take Clyde or Taylor at two and then take Dobbins at four. But why not take Burrow at two if he's there? He has Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray. Who else? Winston and Minshew. Yeah. Well, but DeAndre Swift is also an option, I assume.
Starting point is 00:58:59 He didn't mention him. Unless Swift's going to go number one overall. I don't know. I would take Dobbins before Swift, personally. In Dynasty, yes. Yeah. I would take Taylor, too. That's what I would do.
Starting point is 00:59:14 You'd go Taylor and Dobbins? I'd go Taylor over... Yeah, Taylor and Dobbins, probably, assuming that Clyde Edwards and Laird would go three. Okay. So you would rank them, Taylor, Edwards, Lairire, Dobbins, like that? Correct.
Starting point is 00:59:28 Does he say who his running back's for? Drake and who? Drake and Singletary. Yeah, he needs a running back more than the quarterback. You know, if Burrow falls to four, I'm taking Burrow at four. All right.
Starting point is 00:59:39 This is from Chucky Buckle. How do you feel about the idea for COVID setups? Have your top four bench spots on the site be who you want to be a replacement if you have a late-minute scratch due to COVID? And if you decide not to roster a backup quarterback or tight end, you're out of luck.
Starting point is 00:59:57 I've said this, I think it was one of the shows you missed, Adam, that one idea that I would float out there is just if the quarterback is ruled out last minute or day of and your roster is locked it just becomes TQB so you get that team QB then I understand I mean you can but the problem with that is you know it it changes the the outlook of it for the Saints for example that are going to use take some hill or you know whatever the Eagles are going to do with you know Jalen Hurts. So for those scenarios, I wouldn't want to screw with somebody's scoring.
Starting point is 01:00:27 I guess that's a good point. But I think if you're just – it's only really a last-minute thing because if you're able to make moves on Sunday, then you should be able to find a replacement option. But I do think that if you have the ability to sort of just – that's an easy position. You just make it the quarterback for the team. I'm really leaning towards, in my leagues at least,
Starting point is 01:00:46 all being blind bid waivers on Wednesday morning or Tuesday overnight and then first come, first serve the rest of the week and nobody locks until they play. It's not a bad idea. I certainly don't think you can't do it. To be clear, if you get dropped on Wednesday morning, then you're going back on waivers for two days. It's not like somebody can just go pick them up immediately.
Starting point is 01:01:07 So everybody gets a shot every week at everybody, and then it's first come, first serve. Yeah, and you certainly just cannot do fab Saturday night, no more transactions Sunday. I mean, that's just not an option at this point. Unless you're going to do it like how you do baseball, for example, where you open it up. Yeah, which I've done.
Starting point is 01:01:24 I do that for our podcast league. I open it up manually. I would strongly suggest not doing that. I'm doing a really good job of that. Have we come to a consensus what we're going to tell people in terms of IR spots? Two? Four?
Starting point is 01:01:37 Five? I mean... It's only for COVID or it's for everything? Well, I think you factor in everything, but COVID changes it. I would do like four then. Yeah. If you're doing COVID only, I would say four because I don't want to penalize somebody
Starting point is 01:01:56 that has just everything go wrong for them over a two-week. Everything's gone bad enough for them already. So it's only COVID, four? That's what I would say. The backup idea is this is something we talked about too where you name two players and their best ball options but the rest of your bench is still a bench
Starting point is 01:02:15 and you call them backups and that's kind of similar to the listener's question as well. So you're saying the Sunday morning or Saturday night somebody has to send an email or some designation of these are my replacement guys. So it's essentially flex plays. Extra work.
Starting point is 01:02:31 Yeah. Yeah. I'm definitely not doing that. It sounds like too much work to me. All right, guys. Thanks a lot. Have a great weekend,
Starting point is 01:02:38 everybody. Enjoy yourselves. We'll talk to you on Monday with a, I think it's going to be a pretty fun episode. If blank happens then blank wide open to interpretation it's gonna be fun
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