Fantasy Football Today - Fantasy Jeopardy, Spicy Takes and a Mailbag (07/17 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: July 17, 2020Starting the show with some fun predictions from our listeners (3:05). Can the NYJ offense take a huge step forward this season? Can D'Andre Swift catch 65 passes en route to a huge year? We discuss t...hose spicy takes plus the news and notes from around the NFL (12:00) ... Emails about drafting Lamar Jackson in Round 1 (18:30), pairing rookie RBs with their veteran teammates (22:44) and Jonathan Taylor's pedigree and 2020 role (25:30) ... Let's play some Fantasy Jeopardy (32:00)! Will Adam actually let Heath win this time? And we finish with Apple Podcast questions (44:50) covering Russell Wilson, keeper leagues, dynasty leagues and more ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Nominate us on PodcastAwards! https://www.podcastawards.com/app/signup/ 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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On his way to the end zone.
I'll tell you what, that was a spectacular play.
It's time to dominate your fantasy league.
What a play.
Off to the races.
Touchdown.
Oh, he's done it again.
Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben.
Happy Friday, everybody.
What's going on?
Fantasy football today.
Now, we are recording on Thursday,
which means for us,
one week until baseball's back.
Who is genuinely excited
for the start of baseball season?
Will Brinson.
I doubt that.
I'm definitely a little excited.
Yeah. I mean, I did not realize it was one week away. I'll say that. I'm definitely a little excited. Yeah.
I mean, I did not realize it was one week away.
I'll say that.
Yeah, it's two games on next Thursday
and the rest on Friday.
And then, yeah, baseball starts and sports.
I guess, you know, sports is technically back,
but since I don't watch any of the sports
that are back right now,
it doesn't really feel that way for me.
So I'm looking forward.
I can't wait.
The major sports are back. I did a Twitter poll of the sports that are back right now. It doesn't really feel that way for me. So I'm looking for, I can't wait. The major sports are back.
I did a,
a Twitter poll about the start of NFL training camp.
And I want to get your,
your vote.
What date will all teams be in training camp completely?
Were there options?
Not rookies,
not rookies,
but full training camp,
all NFL teams.
See results. See results.
See results was not an option because this is a guessing one,
so it's okay to just everybody guess.
Okay.
I don't know.
Are you going to give the options or we just want to?
July 28th.
Is it a poll all guessing anyway?
July 28th.
No, no, no.
Generally, you have a strong opinion.
Who do you want?
You know who you want.
You might be wrong, but it's still who you want.
Uh,
anyway,
July 28th,
August 4th,
August 11th,
after August 11th,
C August 4th.
I say the 11th.
Yeah.
Somewhere in there.
11th was my guess as well.
Yeah.
August 11th,
one or zero preseason games,
and hopefully an on-time start to the season.
There will not be preseason games.
That's my expectation as well.
August 11th, no preseason games.
On-time start to the season.
Watch it be July 28th.
We're not experts, but...
Well, Chiefs, rookies...
All teams will...
I don't think all teams are going to report on 28th, right? I don't... Well, Chiefs, rookies... All teams will... I don't think all teams are going to report on 28th, right?
I don't...
Well, yeah, Chiefs rookies are supposed to report on Saturday.
Chiefs and Texans rookies on Saturday.
But that's not going to happen
because none of them have been tested yet.
You have to be tested 48 hours before you show up.
Yeah, we do have some testing news coming in.
We'll get to news and notes.
We have news about Mark Andrews.
He's going to play. He does have type 1 diabetes, but he says he's going to play. So, yeah, we'll have some testing news coming in. We'll get to news and notes. We have news about Mark Andrews. He's going to play.
He does have type 1 diabetes, but he says he's going to play.
So, yeah, we'll get into that, the Derrick Henry contract and what it means.
We've got a fun show today.
We've got Fantasy Jeopardy coming up.
Don't really think he's going to win based on history.
I mean, he might have the most points,
but it doesn't mean I'm going to call him the winner.
We've got your emails at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com.
We've got your Apple podcast questions.
And I said
on Twitter, I said, hey, help me out. Do my
job for me. Give me something spicy to
start the show. And I picked my two
favorites, and here they are. Something spicy
to start the show. Number one,
from Fantasy Chatter, Le'Veon
Bell, RB1
overall this year. And the Jets offense takes flight with Sam
Darnold healthy. Le'Veon eats on the ground and in the passing game, book it. Ooh, that is spicy.
I did some A's or math to try to check out how realistic this might possibly be.
And so if you take Le'Veon Bell's 16-game pace for touches from last year
and then give him his career efficiency, just assuming last year was a down year,
that would put him at 279 PPR points, which would have made him number six or seven last year.
I feel like I already did that math somewhere in my notes, but
okay, number six or seven. That's not bad. That's not bad.
What about just the concept of the jets offense taking flight? There was a three game stretch
where they scored. I think they scored 34 points each week and Sam Darnold was really good. And
of course it was against three pretty bad defenses or at least two very bad defense.
I think it was the giants, Redskskins, and Raiders. And that was
more or less it for Darnold.
But I think a lot of people really
kind of think he's very talented
and has a lot of potential. So,
what are the chances that Jets offense
surprising us and being really
good this year? Ben?
I mean, there's a
possibility because they have a young quarterback who is talented.
But I will say, you know, PFF just released their offensive line rankings going into the season like last week.
And, you know, the Jets have made a lot of moves along the offensive line this year, this offseason.
They still ranked 27th there and they were very low last year.
So they're at least trying to address that.
But kind of the consensus there was they didn't exactly add
some great offensive line pieces.
So I do think the line is an underrated part of this.
And then we know that they lost Robbie Anderson,
who was a key part of their passing game
and at least being able to stretch defenses.
They added Rashad Perriman,
but I think Anderson has the better track record there as a deep threat.
I don't know that they really have the skill possession talent either and if you don't have
a great line you're not i mean you can be happy about darnold you also don't have a coach with a
great track record i mean sure there's potential for it but i'm i'm pretty much uh gonna just lean
towards the consensus on this one which i don't always do but i will definitely hear and think
that the jets are just they're not going to be good. I think that's the smart approach is that the Jets won't be good, but
there is so much unknown with them because I know, you know, PFF is going on what they think
is going to happen with the line, but it could be a decent line, which, you know, that's, you know,
from Le'Veon's perspective, that's certainly something that he can benefit from.
And then the skill positions, yes, while they lose Robbie Anderson,
they get three additions to replace him.
They get Chris Herndon, who they didn't have last year,
who I think still has some talent and can be very successful.
They get not only Broussard Perryman, but also Denzel Mims.
And we liked Mims coming into the draft process.
I know Heath did. I did as well. I don't know about you, Ben, but, you know,
he's certainly an added piece to this offense. So, you know,
with Jamison Crowder,
they do have now three receivers that can help Sam Darnold. And then again,
you know, Darnold taking that next step.
So Le'Veon needs all of those things working well for him,
I think to have the chance to be top six, I think top,
top running back would be a significant, significant stretch.
Based on what we saw from him last year.
The thing for me with Bell is I just think Gase is going to ruin him
because of Frank Gore.
He's just going to throw Gore in there in these situations
that are going to make it frustrating.
And so that's the thing that scares me about Bell
is the positive things not happening to the level that I think they need to
and then Gase just doing what Gase does,
which is trying to rely on pieces
that probably don't fit.
All right, let's go to our second spicy,
something spicy to start the show
from Robert Canfield.
DeAndre Swift finishes with 1,000 plus rushing yards
and 65 or more catches,
earning top 10 RB status.
DeAndre Swift, 1,000 yards on the ground.
He'd be the first since 2013 for the Lions,
and 65-plus catches,
which he would be the first since Theo Riddick
probably a couple years ago.
I mean, before last year,
Lions running backs got a lot of catches,
but last year was an exception.
But, okay, that's the spicy take.
DeAndre Swift, 1,000-plus yards, 65 plus catches, top 10 running back
Heath. I liked the Le'Veon Bell one better.
I didn't think that was particularly realistic.
Yeah, I have a hard time seeing
DeAndre Swift. We're saying he's going to average 4.5 yards per
carry and earn 220 carries
and catch 65 passes
and be
above average in terms of efficiency
on a bad line.
I just don't see it at all.
By the way,
he was third
on Georgia in catches
in his sophomore season,
fourth on the team in receptions in his junior season.
He did not catch as many passes as Clyde Edwards-Elair,
but he caught somewhere around 55 passes
in his last two seasons at Georgia.
Very good for running back.
So, all right, Ben, why don't you give your take here?
DeAndre Swift, 1,000-plus rushing guards, 65-plus catches.
Is that less realistic than
Le'Veon Bell just having a huge
year on a surging Jets offense?
I'll take this one more. I mean, part of
it's because we're talking about 1,000 yards
compared to being the overall RB1.
And the Le'Veon Bell thing,
to me, it's just you're saying RB1 because he's
been it before, but you've got to recognize how
much the offense plays into that. The Steelers' offensive
situation is so much different than the Jets.
It would be so hard for him to do that in the Jets offense,
even if they were better.
Swift for me, I can kind of see it.
I'm not thrilled about it.
Adam, you and I have gone back and forth,
just talked a little bit about their offensive line.
So just to reference these rankings as well, it's funny.
I said they had a good line,
and you noted that they had lost some pieces that I had forgotten about
and said they might have a bad line.
They ranked 16th.
So they're dead middle of the pack on this.
So we'll have to split the difference a little bit here.
I can take that.
I mean, if you want to believe in a running game,
then 16th is perfectly fine.
Right, yeah, it's not bad, right?
And I think they took Swift high enough,
and they could, especially if Carrion got hurt or something,
which he has had a lot of injury troubles,
they could turn over enough work to him that he could do this.
But I think it would require – it would certainly require their line to play well,
and it would require Stafford to stay healthy as well
and be as good as he was last year, I think, in the passing game,
which would take a lot of the pressure off of Swift.
And this offense could suddenly be, you know, somewhat decent.
And we did see some of that last year.
Stafford played well. So, I mean,
I could see more upside in the Lions offense and I can see the Jets offense
for sure.
I would also take this over Le'Veon Bell,
but the only way this one happens is if carry on gets hurt week one or,
you know, first three weeks of the season. And,
and then Swift is just amazing. So, you know, we we've said this a lot,
you know, I,
I think Dave is counting on DeAndre Swift
just completely kicking carry on to the side.
But I think it's going to take carry on getting hurt
for DeAndre Swift to be as good as, you know,
if you're drafting him in the first four rounds.
That's, I think, you know, where you're going to have to
really benefit the value for DeAndre Swift
as a carry on injury.
And for these numbers to happen,
that's going to have to happen early in the year.
All right.
So in the last eight seasons,
a Lions running back has had 50 or more catches seven times.
And then two other occasions, Reggie Bush in 2014,
carry-on Johnson 2018,
they were on pace for 50 or more catches,
but they had shortened seasons.
So it's been a big part of Matthew Stafford's game,
but it wasn't last year, even when he was healthy.
Maybe another personnel.
72 combined
catches for all of their running... 73
I think for all of their running backs
last year. Garbo had like 60 of those, right?
Is that
just weird? Is that just
fluky? Is that because they don't have
Theo Riddick or Reggie Bush anymore?
No, I think Ben's talked about this. I think Darryl Bevel is generally, like, he likes to run the ball.
But when they threw it, I think he's generally more of a downfield attack type passing game.
Okay.
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All right,
so let's go through
the news and notes, guys.
And then we got some emails
to read,
some Jeopardy
and some Apple podcast reviews.
Thank you, by the way,
for the Apple podcast.
We're just getting
a lot of them this week
and very helpful stuff.
Good questions,
really good questions.
We're going to read them today.
So Mark Andrews
will play this season
despite having type 1 diabetes,
but obviously it's a risk. It's 1 diabetes, but obviously it's a risky condition to have with this disease out there.
So is this going to factor into your Mark Andrews rankings?
Is it the possibility that he might say, hey, I don't know,
I just can't do it anymore?
Does that enter into your thoughts at all?
Not now.
Yeah, I've got to feel better about it now that he's addressed it at all? Not now.
Yeah, I've got to feel better about it now that he's addressed it.
Okay, fair enough.
As of July 10th,
72 players had tested positive for the coronavirus.
We don't know how many were tested,
but it seems like their initial tests,
the positives are going to be higher
percentage-wise than baseballs.
Baseball's testing rate was, but we'll see.
We'll have more information soon, I hope.
Would you see the pro football talk report about how much time people will miss?
Three weeks. They'll be on the COVID-19 list for three weeks.
Any player testing positive.
So what do you make of that?
Going to see a lot of waiver wire moves this year.
Yeah, that's a tough one for fantasy football, period.
There's a couple of things, and I mentioned one of these to Ben.
I wonder if I should be a little bit more open to handcuffing this year
with this going on, and then the other thing that I kind of wonder a little bit,
maybe it just shouldn't matter. It doesn't matter in best ball i don't think or any type of high
stakes contest but just your regular 12 team league where half the league's making the playoffs i
wonder if you need just a little bit more security in the later rounds knowing that you're more
likely to have to use those bench guys and i one thing i thought was interesting because yeah heath and i did talk about this
um there's in this note there was some some discussion that anyone who was exposed would
also be quarantined right and so if i think that's an interesting thing too like i i agree
with heath that probably being more open to handcuffing makes sense but it also wouldn't
shock me if we see situations where the starting running back tests positive and his backup gets quarantined
because he's been practicing in position drills with him
and in meetings with him all week.
I mean, that's –
It could be the whole room.
Yeah, but then who plays running back?
It's like I said to Heath, someone's got to play running back for him.
Yeah, running backs, we could probably figure that out.
Quarterback, you might just have to have different rooms for your quarterbacks
because you can't have all your quarterbacks.
Honestly, it's really amazing. Cam was
sitting out there. We don't know how the contract
discussions were. If you were
a playoff, I would have
made him an offer more than what the
Patriots played him just to have him on your roster just in case
your quarterback goes down. It's
just crazy to me that these
teams didn't put a little bit more stock into
when Jameis was out there with Cam out there and, you know,
some of the contracts that they may have been able to give those guys if it worked out for their team.
But, man, there's going to be some scenarios where imagine the Chiefs don't have Mahomes for three weeks
or the Ravens don't have Lamar Jackson for three weeks.
And forget about fantasy.
Just, you know, the implications that that could have on those NFL rosters if that's the case.
You know, it's probably why the Chiefs are bringing back Matt Moore.
Well, Bruce Arians talked about, I'm not sure if he was kidding or not,
I don't think he was, but he mentioned keeping a third quarterback
just away from the team, basically, or away from the meeting rooms
just to have that safety net.
So I wouldn't be surprised if there's a quarterback sort of on call
that is not really around the team all that much.
It's going to be an interesting season.
It's going to be a wacky year.
It is.
And you know what?
Baseball is going to show us,
I guess in a sense,
if it can be done.
I don't think baseball will be as crazy, though,
just because you don't have 12 guys
starting right up against each other every play.
Basketball is probably a better indication. Okay, fine. Both sports,
they'll be back soon.
We'll see how they do. But soccer's been playing
and they have contact
to an extent.
They pulled baseball off in Korea.
It's just really these players
are going to have to be extra cautious,
I guess. The baseball players
have been talking about how they will be extra cautious. They have a responsibility to each extra cautious, I guess. And the baseball players have been talking about it. They will be extra cautious.
You know, they have a responsibility to each other.
Fingers crossed.
Make it happen, guys.
It's a tough ask for these athletes.
If the Yankees win the World Series,
does it come with an aspect for you?
No.
Only if the Yankees win the World Series.
It's legit.
The Yankees are so good, it's insane.
They're like 100% going to win the World Series. I'm almost not excited for baseball because insane. They're like 100% going to win the World Series.
I'm almost not excited for baseball
because it's just inevitable
that they're going to win the World Series.
It's a joke.
Are they healthy now?
They are, except for Chapman and LeMahieu,
who both have COVID.
Judge Homer yesterday or Wednesday.
Okay.
Derrick Henry, four-year, $50 million deal,
$25.5 million million guaranteed heath what does
this mean for derrick henry's dynasty value um i went in and changed his risk factor just a little
bit um i feel more confident in where he's going to be for the next three years so it didn't really
didn't change his place in the rankings enough but uh he's still a low end number one high end
number two running back for me in Dynasty.
You think he's there in three years?
I think three is the number from what I understand, but maybe it's only two.
I would say two.
Was this an extension?
It's new money in 2021 and 2022, right?
I don't know because what are they doing about this year? He was set to play on the franchise tag.
He didn't have any years left.
Right.
So the extension lowered the cap hit for this year.
And I believe for next year,
then the cap hit is pretty extensive in 2022.
And then I think there's an out after that.
Okay.
Does this change his value this year in any way?
I actually have that wrong.
2021. The cap number is a lot, is a lot higher. It's just this year in any way? I actually have that wrong. 2021, the cap number is a lot higher.
It's just this year that it lowered the cap number.
Interesting.
Does it change his value?
No.
I think if you're going to go get Derrick Henry,
you're going to take him probably middle of the first round in non-PPR,
back into the first round in PPR,
and that's where he should go if you want to draft him.
He's not making it past the first 15 overall picks.
And mostly it's a fly on my face.
Jamie's going to accuse me of picking my nose.
But I,
if I,
if you see that I'm just swatting away a little stupid fruit fly.
So pardon me for that.
All right. We got a few emails here and jeopardy.
Really looking forward to it.
Fantasy football at ci.com.
Hey, foot, base, basket, and bowling.
Balls.
Yeah, there you go.
Thanks, Mike from Salem, Massachusetts,
for getting Heath to say that.
I am the commissioner of a 12-team PPR league
that is highly competitive.
Sometimes you have to think outside the box
to get ahead with these maniacs,
and I have an idea.
Hear me out.
I had Lamar last year and I finished second.
I've been in love ever since.
I'm going to have the sixth pick this year.
And here's what I'm thinking.
If I take Lamar sixth overall and then take the best available wide receiver.
What?
No.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
If I take Lamar at six overall and then take the best available wide
receiver in round two
Evans Godwin Tyreek
Hill will not be Tyreek Hill
aren't I getting three players in one
I'm getting a top 10 to 15
running back and a top
five fantasy quarterback in one
player that's Lamar
obviously with him then I get a top tier
wide receiver and then I work a top-tier wide receiver,
and then I work my way to the end
knowing there's a lot of value down the road.
Am I totally insane or am I an evil genius?
Super insane.
Super insane.
So, first of all, this happened a lot last year.
People showed Lamar's rushing, and they said,
here's how it would rank among the fantasy running backs,
but they never included the running backs receiving.
They would always say, his rushing value is this good. among the fantasy running backs, but they never included the running backs receiving.
They would always say his rushing value is this good.
You're getting a top 10 running back,
but you weren't actually getting a top 10 running back with just Lamar's rushing
because he didn't catch a single pass, right?
So all these running backs that we're just ignoring
their receiving work to say that Lamar was giving you that.
And then secondly, you're not getting that
plus a top five fantasy quarterback because if you take out Lamar's, you're not getting that plus a top five fantasy quarterback
because if you take out Lamar's rushing,
you then don't have a top five fantasy quarterback
with just his passing.
You have Kyler Murray, basically,
which was last year,
who was like QB 10.
If he had no rushing stats.
Right.
And that was with him throwing 36 touchdowns last year.
But if Kyler Murray had no rushing stats,
he would have been QB 20-something.
No, what I'm saying is, yeah.
But if you take Lamar Jackson's fantasy points,
subtract all of his rushing totals,
seven touchdowns and 1,200 yards,
he would have scored about the same amount of points
as Kyler Murray, who was in six-point-per-passing touchdown leagues.
And that was somewhere around QB 10. So, I mean, he still was very good, right? Back into the top
10 quarterback. I'm just saying you're not getting a top 10 to 15 fantasy running back with just as
rushing and you're not getting a top five fantasy quarterback with just as passing. And that's,
I think, where his thinking is going wrong because he thinks he's getting three players in one.
Well, he also has to do that exact same thing again, which is, you know,
historical. I mean, that's the stupid part of it. It's like, you know,
he's going to be good if he's healthy. He's not going to be that good though.
That's very difficult to do.
Man, it's weird. So his rushing totals were like
equal to Tariq Cohen in PPR.
In terms of his fantasy points,
without the catches, as Ben said,
you just take the 1,200 yards and seven touchdowns
and no catches at all.
Tariq Cohen scored as many points.
So you're getting a QB, streamer, and a flex.
Yeah.
Now if you're in a non-PPR league,
it might be different.
You know what?
I'm kind of curious.
If you want to take Lamar at six, go ahead.
Well, take him in the second round.
If you're dying to have him. We don't know how quarterbacks
go in Mike's league, but
just take him and enjoy him and then
get another running back along with it.
Don't stress yourself out.
Let's see in non-PPR.
Phillip Lindsey.
That's better.
Yeah. Kenyon Drake.
Kenyon Drake, Phillip Lindsey.
Alvin Kamara scored like 166 fantasy points in non-ppr and lamar jackson scored like 162 rushing okay uh next question here
from taylor in oregon i'm going to combine it with an Apple podcast review from Bayou Bengal Elite.
Taylor says,
Dear Rory, John, Justin, Dustin, and Webb,
I think those are golfers.
What do you think of the draft strategy
of targeting a promising rookie running back
while also drafting the veteran probable week one starter?
Like drafting both Chiefs guys, both Lions guys,
both Ravens guys.
No, not Lions.
He didn't put them in. Both Colts guys and both Ravens guys, both Lions guys, both Ravens guys. No, not Lions. He didn't put them in.
Both Colts guys and both Ravens guys.
And then Bayou Bango Elite on Apple Podcasts said,
could Damian Williams be a sleeper?
His ADP is so late with everyone being so high on Clyde Edwards' E-layer.
With everything going on, it's hard for me to take Edwards' E-layer
where he keeps going.
So, I don't know.
It's a question about the veteran running backs, I guess,
in these backfields.
But what do you think about getting both guys in a backfield?
I think it's great.
We talked about this a few weeks ago.
I said I would take both Edward Ziller and Damian Williams.
We just finished talking about,
is it smart to handcuff some of these running back situations?
And these are very feasible to do.
So you're looking at the way Baltimore ran the ball last year. handcuff some of these running back situations and these are very feasible to do so you know
you're looking at the way Baltimore ran the ball last year Dobbins could be an absolute stud if
Ingram goes down he's probably going to step into the 130 or so carries potentially at least that
Gus Edwards is you know could vacate Williams and Keith has alluded to this before you know
Williams and Edwards Hilaire can split up 26 carries that the chiefs had last year, you know,
so you're doing 13 each of what they're doing in the passing game.
That'll be great.
Mac may get off to a good start early in the season before Taylor,
you know, shoves them off the field.
If that's what happens as Ben has alluded to many times.
So, you know,
one could get you off to a good start and then one could finish the season
or if there's a guy that misses time because of whatever case,
then you're going to be in good shape either way.
So, yeah, I think it's a smart strategy,
but don't force it if you don't have to.
You know, don't reach for, you know,
Williams is going to be the first one that goes,
be my guess, maybe him or Dobbins.
But, you know, if you can get Edward Solaire
probably early around three, I think,
is where he'll end up settling,
or maybe middle around three.
And then Williams in that round six, round seven range,
I think that's fine.
And then the other guys are easy to do.
These three examples are all really good offenses.
Well, let me ask you this, Ben.
If you were going to pick one
backfield based on ADP
to get
both guys, which one would you choose?
Probably the Chiefs.
Okay.
I'm comfortable with that. Heath, how about you?
Definitely the Ravens because um ingram's down
in round five six dobbins can be had in round seven eight um so that'd be my favorite for sure
one more question for now nick in san francisco hey melvin monte james and jonathan
badgers runners bad, that's right.
He's got a lengthy email about Jonathan Taylor. I'll sum it up.
He's watched some Jonathan Taylor tape.
Doesn't think he's as great
as he was worthy of the hype.
And he thinks that that soft schedule
for the Colts will actually benefit
Marlon Mack.
So, Ben, since you
always draft Jonathan Taylor,
what would you like to say to Nick in San Francisco?
Well, yeah, I saw
this email and I pointed it out to you because he
also commented that
Taylor does not seem
comparable to Zeke, and I've made that
comparison before. And he said that
Taylor's been held
by some good defenses like Ohio
State, and that's just
i don't think really holds water if you dig into it taylor did have a couple poor games against
ohio state but he did have 150 yard game against ohio state in the third time that he faced him
and there's pretty much no other team that stopped him he had 100 yards every all three times he
played michigan he had over 100 total yards and two scores when he played michigan state he had
over 100 yards every time he played iowa uh He was better against some bad teams for sure. And if you look at Zeke's profile when he was
in college, he was dominant in their title run when Zeke was a sophomore
and crushed Alabama, crushed Oregon in the title game. So there's definitely a note
in Zeke's favor that he was really good against good competition. But I don't think it holds water that Taylor was bad
against good competition. He was worse than he was against
bad schools. But you'd expect a really good player to be good against bad schools,
and you'd expect their team to lead more, and he would run more.
But one thing I thought was really interesting,
I started digging into this, is they're actually super, super comparable.
I just want to reemphasize how good of a prospect Taylor is.
His final season, he caught 26 passes for 252 yards.
Zeke really only played in two of his three years.
He caught 27 and 28 passes for 206 and2 yards. Zeke really only played in two of his three years. He got 27 and 28 passes for 206
and 220 yards. So he was used as a receiver in two seasons where Taylor kind of only was in one
season, but their receiving lines per those seasons were very similar. And I think that's
an area where people think Taylor can't really play. And then if you look at their rushing,
I mean, Taylor's rushing was better just kind of
generally over all three seasons than zeke's best season uh but but still comparable i think zeke was
very efficient taylor was very efficient taylor was more efficient in the passing game he almost
had as many receiving yards over their careers as zeke did and then you look at them as prospects
taylor ran a 439 zeke ran a 4.47.
So Taylor was about eight hundredths of a second faster, almost a tenth of a second faster.
He was one pound heavier and he was two inches shorter.
So he's actually thicker than Zeke.
His BMI is a lot higher.
He tested better in the jumps.
He was a lot more explosive.
Zeke didn't run the agility drills, but Taylor was above average in the agility drills.
So from a physical standpoint, it's every tested bit of evidence we have shows that Taylor is also
the superior athlete. Frankly, they're about the same size and he tested better. Obviously now
Taylor didn't go in the top 10. He doesn't step right into a situation like Zeke did where he's
the clearly back and a huge one. Zeke was well for his pass blocking uh taylor has a little bit more
questions some more questions there taylor has some fumble issues there are some differences
but i actually think like as far as what kind of prospect they are you look at their production
and even look at the fact you know the receiving like i said um and you look at their their testing
like they are very very similar taylor is a very very good prospect all right he's been because i'm curious
uh obviously you love taylor for redraft and this would stink but in dynasty if john den taylor was
melvin gordon would you be happy or disappointed i'd be i'd be happy i'd be thrilled i mean he's
been a star i mean gordon's another guy who didn't catch a lot of passes at wisconsin which is
something we see with some college offenses um and one other thing I noticed with Taylor, I mean,
just to throw this out there, he caught multiple passes 12 times, only 11 times in his career out
of 41 games, did he have a sub five yards per carry in a game. So about a quarter of his games,
seven of those 11 games were his multi-catch games. And then he only had multi-catch
games in five of the other 30 games, which is to say that when he wasn't efficient running the ball,
that's when they actually did try to use him in the passing game. And he had some explosive plays
in the passing game. I do think the fact that he didn't catch a ton of balls is mainly because of
what their offense was. It's how it was with Melvin. And then Melvin went to the pros and
he caught way more passes. It would not surprise me if something similar happened with,
with Taylor.
And if,
if he has a career similar to,
to,
to Gordon's in that regard where he can catch some passes and score some
touchdowns.
Yeah.
I would be thrilled with that.
That's a good.
Yeah.
I mean,
the only reason I bring it up is because obviously Melvin Gordon was
terrible as a rookie,
but he was great since then,
aside from the holdout,
you know?
So if you're getting that a dynasty,
you'd be happy with that,
but in redraft,
you'd be miserable if you're getting that in 2020.
All right, Heath, I'm sorry.
You're cracking me up.
Why am I cracking you up?
I was watching the tracker
and Jonathan Taylor during the first answer
passed DJ Moore for our most talked about player this year.
And then during the second answer,
he passed AJ Brown.
He's now our number one most talked about player this year.
All right.
Hey, congratulate.
We need some balloons for Jonathan Taylor.
I think that stuff's really interesting.
Yeah, look, it could favor Marlon Mack, though, out of the gate.
It's a good point by Nick.
Sure.
Yeah, I mean, this isn't a knock on the Mack point at all
because the stuff about the O-line,
they graded number one overall in this PFF thing,
and their schedule is the number one softest schedule.
If you look at vegas
win losses by a lot by a lot over the next best uh next softest schedule those things are very
favorable to running and so yeah that those things could definitely end up pointing towards mac sure
i thought you're gonna ask us for a spicy um something spicy so i had uh five running backs
you could draft after round six that you could
win your league with.
If you start with three wide receivers and a tight end and Mac was one of
the five.
So,
okay.
I mean,
it's just,
these guys are going to be great value picks.
And if he holds onto the job and still gets however much percent of the
touches until maybe Taylor takes over,
you're going to be okay.
All right.
Well, that was some good stuff guys,
but let's see how you do with jeopardy. Let's see.
Let's see how you do when you have to answer in the form of a question,
which is always a struggle with this group.
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It's time for Fantasy Jeopardy. I've got three categories and three answers within each category.
They are for $200, $400, and $600.
And the three categories are
team stats, player stats, and Acer stats.
Oh, God.
Team stats, player, okay.
Heath, the board is yours.
We're going to let you go first.
And if you want to buzz in,
please just say your name and I will call on you.
Go ahead, Heath.
Acer stats for 600.
Acer stats for 600.
Okay.
This early round running back averaged 3.7 yards per carry or less
in each of his last eight games, including the postseason.
3.7 yards per carry or less.
Did he finish top 10?
He's an early round drafted running back.
I'll tell you, first two rounds.
Last eight games, including the playoffs.
He went to the playoffs.
He averaged 3.7 yards per carry or worse or less in every game.
Three, two.
By the way,
you don't lose points
for guessing,
so.
Heath.
All right,
Heath,
Heath,
what do you got?
Ezekiel Elliott.
Like you mean,
who is Ezekiel Elliott?
Who is Ezekiel Elliott?
Who is?
Oh,
okay,
Ben.
Austin Eckler.
I have no idea.
They were not in the playoffs.
Oh yeah,
they were in the playoffs.
Jamie, you got a guess? No, you know what? I'm not going to allow it. I'm no idea. They were not in the playoffs. Oh, yeah, they were in the playoffs. Jamie, you got a guess?
No, you know what? I'm not going to allow it.
I'm not going to allow it. Who is
Dalvin Cook? Oh, interesting.
Really limped to the finish line
there, Dalvin Cook.
All right, Heath, the board is still yours.
These are stats for 400, please.
Okay, this
quarterback averaged
34 fantasy points per game
against two of his division opponents
and 20.5 against everyone else.
That's a great answer, Dad.
This quarterback averaged 34 points
against two of his division opponents
and 20.5 points per game against everyone else.
JV's like, I feel like
you want to jump in. Heath!
Who is Russell Wilson?
Jamie.
Jamie! Who is Josh Allen?
Ben.
Ben! Matthew Stafford
I didn't even have to try
Who is Dak Prescott
Giants and Redskins
He torched him
I thought maybe that was Allen against the Dolphins
He only had one game I think with more than 25 points
Josh Allen and that was against the Dolphins
Such an Acer, it sure is.
All right.
He's the board is yours.
A's are stats for 200.
Please.
In his last eight games,
he was on pace for 119 catches,
1,515 yards and five touchdowns on 181 targets.
Heath Heath.
Heath.
Who is Devontae Adams?
You guys suck.
His last five games?
His last eight games.
119 catches, 1,500 yards, five touchdowns. You can't even piece for five touchdowns in eight games.
It has to be a roundup.
Yeah, well, okay.
I round it up.
4.6, whatever. Who knows? Did he have 2.3 touchdowns? No, come on has to be a round. Yeah, well, okay. I rounded up 4.6. Whatever.
Who knows? Did he have 2.3
touchdowns? Come on. We've got enough clues. The
time's up. You're right about that.
I don't know how it could have been.
It's mathematically impossible. Yeah, you're probably
right about that. Don't. Stephen
Sims.
I got to figure this out here.
Robert
Woods. What did you say out here. Robert Woods.
What did you say?
Who is Robert Woods?
Robert Woods.
Is that right?
No, it's Robert Woods.
That was my first thought, but I was like, he only scored two touchdowns. You can't pace for five.
I should have said four then, huh?
I remember the 118 catches.
Yeah, you still should have gotten it.
I should have said four touchdowns.
It was incorrect. You gave us
bad information. That's my bad.
It was a...
It was the azer of all azer
stats because it wasn't even right.
It was his last seven games, not his last
eight games.
No points transferred hands on that one.
Damn it. No, Jamie got it.
I don't get points for that? What do you mean?
I'm giving it to Jamie.
Oh, that was such an Azar stat.
Damn, I Azared the hell out of that.
All right, Jamie.
You ruined your own stats.
The board is yours.
$200 in your bank account.
What are the categories again?
Team stats and player stats.
Let's do player stats for $200.
These are the only two players with 97 or more catches
in each of the last three seasons.
These?
Two players.
No.
With 97 or more catches
in each of the last three seasons.
Ben.
Michael Thomas and Christian McCaffrey?
Oh, crap.
I didn't look at McCaffrey.
I only did wide receivers.
McCaffrey has 100 catches
in the last two years.
No, but he didn't have it the first... He didn't have it three years ago. It is three. I don't know if he did it in his rookie year. I didn't look at McCaffrey. McCaffrey has 100 catches the last two years. No, but he didn't have it the first...
It is three. I don't know if he did it in his
rookie year. That's why I said that
as a question mark.
I don't think he did.
Okay.
97 or more each the last three years.
Heath.
Michael Thomas and DeAndre Hopkins.
Each of the last three years
or each of his last three years?
The last three years. The last three years.
The last three years.
They're hard today.
Michael Thomas and Julio Jones.
Michael Thomas. Who are Michael Thomas
and Keenan Allen?
Jamie, the board
is yours. Player stats and
team stats. Player stats for 400.
Okay. Got to kind of listen
to this one. Pay attention.
This is kind of an Acer stat. More Acer stats.
Among quarterbacks
currently in the top
24 in ADP
who threw 200 or more passes
last season.
It's really not that complicated, but not
Joe Burrow, not Ben Roethlisberger, not Drew Locke.
This quarterback had the lowest touchdown rate in 2019.
Ben.
Go ahead.
Jared Goff.
Nice, Ben.
400 for Ben.
And you know what?
If he had had a 5.7% touchdown rate like he did in 2018,
Goff would have thrown I think 36 touchdowns.
Would have had a much different season.
Ben, the board
is yours.
I don't know what's available, so just
pick something. Alright, we have team stats,
all the categories, and we have player stats
for $600. Let's go with player stats for $600.
Only
the Patriots and Steelers scored
more fantasy points than this
DST.
Number three DST last year,
guys. Patriots and Steelers?
Ben.
Bills?
You're really ready
with the horn there.
Anybody want to guess?
You got to say who are the
and then guess a team.
Who are the Titans?
Heath.
Heath.
Who are the
Buccaneers?
Oh, Heath for 600.
Well done, sir.
Can you believe that?
The Bucs were the number three DST.
They got a lot of sacks.
They improved a lot.
They scored a bunch of touchdowns, right?
I'm not sure.
I only know the surface stats, you know.
I literally have not looked at DST stats one time this offseason.
I did when I was looking for something.
They had six defensive touchdowns.
Wow. But I'm wondering
if they're a sleeper team, sleeper DST.
Do you have them in your top 12?
Yes. I think they
are. I think the only concern would be
is they have to play the Falcons
and the Saints
four times. So there
could be some shootouts there. But their run defense was amazing
last year. Their secondary got better. Their pass rush,
you know, when JPP was on the field was
very good. And so the fact that
they kept Barrett is a big step
in the right direction. So yes, they absolutely are.
All right. Updated standings. Jamie
200, Ben 400, Heath 600.
Nobody got any Acer stats. You all
got a player stat, so that's good.
Oh, no, you didn't. Who
got an Acer stat? Oh, Jamie got an Acer stat.
That's right.
I process of elimination, Tim,
out of my answers and guess Stephen Sims instead.
A wrong Acer stat.
Stephen Sims was a good guess, though.
All right, team stats.
Didn't he have three touchdowns, though?
Yeah, he was not a very good guess at all.
Team stats for two, four, and six.
I don't even remember who got the last one right.
Heath did.
I did.
You're born.
I will go team stats for 600, please.
This team allowed the fewest sacks in the NFL in 2019.
Ben.
Ben.
I'm sure you're going to get it wrong.
Go ahead.
I'm going to say the Chargers.
Oh, no.
I have a better guess.
Who are the 49ers?
Heath.
Heath.
Vikings?
I love the Saxon DST questions.
Those are anything anyone cares about.
I thought this was super interesting because the answer is actually the Rams.
Oh,
wow.
That is interesting.
Isn't that weird?
Yeah.
Makes me wonder if it's wrong.
Did you just look at the Rams today?
The Rams allowed the fewest sacks in the NFL.
Yeah.
He must've gotten the ball out really quickly.
I don't know.
He never throws deep.
Can somebody confirm that? Cause I actually looked at it. I just looked it up. Yeah, he must have gotten the ball out really quickly. I don't know. He never throws deep. Can somebody confirm that?
Because I actually looked it up.
It is.
I just looked it up.
Yeah.
I was so insecure about it.
I double checked.
Imagine they did that on Jeopardy.
Hey, can you confirm that, please?
It just seems so wrong, you know?
It just seems so.
Where are the Rams offensive line in the PFF rankings?
Do you have that?
Low.
21, 2, 3, 4, 25.
25? Wow. Okay.
The first teams I thought of
were the Patriots and Saints,
but you never ask questions
with easy answers,
so I obviously wasn't going to ask.
I was just thinking
who dropped back the least.
The $600 question.
That's why I went with the $400.
Exact same thought.
All right. Fantasy
Jeopardy team stats for
$400, Heath.
You're picking that. Okay.
This team led the NFL in
yards per play in 2019.
Ben.
Ben.
Titans.
Heath. Heath.
49ers.
This is fantasy football.
I hit the wrong button.
It's amazing how bad you are at this.
James.
Ravens.
Who are the Dallas Cowboys?
Best yards per play.
By a pretty substantial margin.
Three-tenths of a yard, which doesn't sound like a lot,
but I believe the difference between one and two
was bigger than the difference between any other spots
in the standings in that statistic.
And finally, Heath is still the winner right now.
Leader.
Yeah, the leader.
The leader right now.
What did I say?
I said winner?
That's for me.
Okay, here we go.
Team stats for 200.
A chance for Ben to tie
and Jamie to tie Ben in second place.
This team...
Before Final Jeopardy.
Oh, I don't have a Final Jeopardy question.
Okay, let's go.
Let's go. Let's go.
This team led the NFL in plays in 2019.
Ben.
Ben.
Panthers.
Falcons.
No.
Panthers?
Yeah, right.
Led the NFL inelon plays.
Heath.
Heath.
Eagles.
Oh my gosh, for the win.
All right, Heath.
Oh, wait a second.
In that answer in the form of a question,
you lose 200 points.
You are now tied with Ben.
Congratulations to both Ben and Heath, co-winners
today with $400.
Way to go. That was another
terrible round of Fantasy Jeopardy.
Apple Podcast
questions.
This is from
also, why are all the names taken?
That's who wrote this review.
Russell Wilson, how many more
good years can I expect out of Russell Wilson
before he drops out of that top
six range?
It's a very good question
and one that I've contemplated often.
Really? Why?
Because of Aaron Rodgers.
And because he's
averaged like 80 or 60
or something fantasy points per year on the ground.
And at his age, I wouldn't expect him to continue that.
So if they're successful and he keeps throwing in the low 500s of passes and the rushing yards go down,
he's really dependent on that high touchdown rate, just like Rodgers was.
And we saw what happened when Rodgers fell off.
Yeah, fair.
Rodgers also lost weapons, though.
I mean, they're giving Russell Wilson weapons,
so hopefully that's the counter to some of this,
is that they're giving him some guys to help him.
I mean, if they give Antonio Brown this year
and then Metcalf is ascending,
as we, I think, or at least hope in some capacity
to continue to improve after his rookie season
and Lockett stays where he is, I mean, there at least hope in some capacity to continue to improve after his rookie season and Lockett stays where he
is. I mean, there are ifs,
but the hope would be is that
they continue to build around Russell Wilson as opposed
to the Packers who are saying, here, run
the ball.
All right. So what's the answer? How many
years? We did not answer that at all.
I'll take three more years.
I'll take more like four or five.
I'd go two to three. All right. So I'm going to detour from Apple Podcasts real quick. I got Final three more years. I'll take more like four or five. I'd go two to three.
All right.
So I'm going to detour from Apple Podcasts real quick.
I got Final Jeopardy.
I'm going to settle this.
Heath has legitimately $800.
Ben has $400.
Jamie has $200.
Your category is kickers.
So do you guys want to IM me your bids?
This is why it's very difficult to do Final Jeopardy
in this format. Feel free to... You want to
IM me how much you're going to wager? I'm going to
wager all 400. I don't think that's confusing
for anyone. Okay, you're going to wager 200.
200. Heath, what about you?
I will wager
$1.
Okay. Within five
yards, this is how long Harrison Butker's longest made field goal was last year.
Wait, I can't really do it within five yards.
I will. I will. That's fine. Within five yards, within three yards, make it a little tougher.
Within three yards, this was Harrison Butucker's longest made field goal last year.
And are we guessing
or we're sending you a message?
Can you IM me? I can.
Yeah, IM me your guess.
How long
was Harrison Bucker's
longest field goal within
three yards last year?
Jamie has given me an answer.
You got three seconds, guys.
Well, I got to pull your name up in the
IM2. All right, fine. Ben has given me
an answer. No, that's a bad
answer. I'm going to be asking this question.
I'm going to give you some pressure here. Ben and Jamie
are both right. They both
got it right. I just sent the answer to RJ
White.
So, 54.
You all got it right.
53, 54,
55 were the three guesses, and his
longest field goal was 56.
There is no way I could take this
title away from Heath. Good job,
Heath. You won by one dollar. How old is that your question?
His long kick was 56?
I would assume for any kicker, it's like right around
55, especially one with a good leg.
Jeez, that was a really harsh criticism, Ben.
Not fair.
All right, next question from Apple Podcasts from Tony Chavez, 1995.
Why are you all so low on the Vikings?
We aren't that bad.
No.
What do you mean?
The offense just sucks.
Yeah, from a fantasy standpoint standpoint it's not an exciting
offense well i mean you have a top five overall player who's going to get drafted if he's there
justin jefferson's not that good jamie jefferson's not going to be the one in the top five you're
right it'll be alexander madison um i think theolin's going to go anywhere toward the back
end of round two or beginning round three three, depending on how many receivers go.
So probably round three.
How many teams have two players in the first three rounds?
I'm kind of worried about them, though, as a team.
I don't know how they were seventh in scoring defense last year
when their defense wasn't really that good.
Maybe that's just Mike Zimmer.
I am worried about their defense getting worse.
Yeah, but losing Diggs is a big deal.
Not if Jefferson's good.
He won't be Diggs.
There's almost no chance he's going to be Diggs.
Diggs is super efficient.
Plus, Thielen's pretty injury prone.
I don't know.
Just a non-fantasy conversation.
I think Irv Smith is going to be good.
I'm excited about him.
I like him too.
He could be Dallas Goddard.
Maybe not top 10 finish, but he could be Dallas Goddard.
Steven from a football city where no folding table is safe.
That's Buffalo.
Okay, can you talk about holdouts and discuss contracts?
Some of the biggest league winners like Eckler and Connor
and maybe Madison this year are players that Dynasty
or Keeper League players
could benefit from targeting before their value blows up.
If you could predict likely holdout players,
you could target their backups for cheap
and possibly land a player with a much higher value
rather than just discussing after the news breaks.
Any guys come to mind as possible holdouts?
I mean, Joe Mixon is in the same position as Cook
where they're in the final year of their rookie deals.
Kamara, too.
I didn't think about Kamara.
Again, and I don't know, I'm not a CBA specialist,
but from what I've heard from people that have looked at it,
it's going to be a lot harder to hold out now.
I'm going to designate you the CBA specialist of the podcast.
I'm going to put that on you.
From this point forward, I will have all CBA knowledge.
Dave's pretty good.
One thing I'll say just broadly to the question,
the vast majority tend to be, in my recollection,
I guess it wasn't true for Bell,
but tend to be guys that are in the last year of the rookie deals.
I guess sometimes it's guys who got tagged,
but you go back to that draft class is what I like to do.
Like, so rookies in the first round will have a fifth year option.
You should know whether they've had a fifth year option or their first round
pick, but these running backs, we're just talking about,
we're outside the first round cook mixing and Camara.
We're all drafted until 2017 draft. You go back to that class.
Anyone who was not a first round pick has been probably, and it's has been good, has probably been underpaid for a couple of years,
they're going into the final year of a four-year rookie deal,
they would be the ones that I would look at.
I think the problem with the guys that we mentioned is, you know,
the guys behind Gio in Cincinnati are such wild cards.
So if you're just talking about a 2020,, a 2020, you know, seasonal thing,
Gio has some value. Latavius Murray has some value, but he's older, you know? So those guys
don't necessarily have a lot of long-term potential. If you want to trade for Alexander
Madison now, that's a smart move because there's a good chance Dalvin Cook is out the door next
year in Minnesota. So he could be the starter there. Like I don't, I don't see right. Paul
Armstead as a starter in Jacksonville long-term,
you know, he wasn't a big prospect. He wasn't somebody they invested in a lot.
So even if he does get the opportunity to showcase himself this year, he,
and the Jaguars say, Oh, we may have found our guy.
He's not their guy long-term he's going to eventually be replaced.
So that's not somebody I think long-term you're looking at as if Fournette
leaves, you know, Armstead or certainly not Chris Thompson is,
is the guy there. So, you know, in these scenarios, I think that are realistic, like
the, the Chargers scenario worked out great because Eckler is a rising player and we'll see
how he does now stepping into a full-time role, but he got a great scenario last year in those
first four games to sort of showcase himself. And I think make the Chargers feel comfortable
about giving him the contract that they gave him. So I think the players you want to try and target
are the ones that are going to step into
maybe prominent roles.
Like the first thing that came to my mind
when you read this question is T. Higgins.
Like if you, you know,
somebody that drafted T. Higgins in their rookie only draft
and may not be thrilled with the rest of their roster,
I would try and get him somewhat cheap
because he may not play very much as rookie here,
but if he's the guy with Joe Burrow and that's the player
that they sort of build around after taking him to the second round
and A.J. Green is most likely gone next year,
that's a player that I'd want to invest in because I think he could be good.
Denzel Mims, if Rashad Perryman was, you know, middle of his career right now,
maybe, you know, not going to do very much long-term.
Mims could be somebody that you could, you know,
get some good long-term value from if Darnold,
as we talked about at the start of the show, does do better. So it's not maybe the hidden guys,
because I don't know if there are very many right now that we could say if this happens or that
happens. But I think there's a couple of obvious ones to me. Higgins and Mims would be two that I
would look at. All right. Dynasty question from Paris.
And Irv Smith is another one, too.
If you can get him cheap, that's a guy I would invest in heavily.
From Paris.
My Dynasty League allows for the drafting of free agents during the rookie draft.
12-team PPR League. It's not tight end premium.
Where would you take Hayden Hurst, Chase Edmonds,
Boston Scott, and Justin Jackson among the rookies?
Edmonds is another good example of what among the rookies. Edmonds is
another good example of what we just talked about because if
Drake does not sign long-term there,
maybe he does enough to
give himself a big
role next year. Maybe not the lead guy, but big role.
Hayden
Hurst, Chase Edmonds are the prizes
here. Hurst, I'd take higher than I think
any of the tight ends in this
class, which means probably
in the later second though or maybe mid-second because you know there's some pretty good running
backs and receivers that are going to go in the first 15 picks um i'd probably still take a guy
like joe burrow over hearst um depending on on your tight end need but that's about where i'd
value him the other running backs are all guys that I would probably not take until the third round of a rookie draft or even possibly the fourth round.
They're all guys that have been in the league a couple of years.
They're exciting. I mean, Boston Scott's exciting.
I really like him as a target this year, Edmonds too,
but you're you'd have to pass up some potentially breakout rookies,
you know, like some of these, some, you can,
I don't just throw away third-round rookie picks
is the point, or even second-round
rookie picks.
It's a cost-benefit
thing. Darrington Evans is going to
be there in the third round of your rookie draft, probably, or the
early part of your third round, or Joshua Kelly.
Now, given the news on
Derrick Henry,
I'd rather have
Chase Edmonds in Dynasty a lot better spot than Edmonds. I'd rather have Chase Edmonds in Dynasty than
Darren Therese.
Yeah, I agree
with Ben almost completely on Hayden Hurst
early to mid-second.
I would put Edmonds, though, right... I'd put him
in the second round as well. Boston Scott
would be more fourth. The one thing about Hurst
is we're ranking him
and I think industry-wise, ranking
him as somewhere close to thewise ranking him as you know somewhere
close to the top 10 if you're at the back end of your first round you're probably the league winner
or you know guy that made the playoffs so your team is probably a little bit more set and so if
you're trying to turn your roster over and prepare for the future in dynasty then you're probably
going to skew a little bit younger so i think what ben and heath are saying is correct but if you
like i'm i'm just thinking of my team
in our league, Heath, where it's
14 teams. It's a little bit different. But
Hurst helps
me more now than taking
Brandon Ayuk at 14. You know what I'm saying?
Oh, yeah.
If you had a contender
that needed a tight end, 14, I don't
think is too early. Yeah, I don't either.
All right. From CJ Johnson, 12.'t either. All right, from CJ Johnson,
12.
Dynasty help.
Dear Smith, Taylor,
Ware, and Freeney.
Some good pass rushers there.
Yeah.
Love the show.
Listen all the time.
I have the second
and fourth pick
in my Superflex Dynasty
rookie only draft.
I'm in need of a running back
and I have no clue
where to go.
Should I take
Clyde Edwards-Elair?
Remember, it's Superflex here. Fourth pick. Second. Should I take Clyde Edwards-Elair? Remember, it's super flex
here. Fourth pick. Second and
fourth pick. Clyde Edwards-Elair, Taylor, or Dobbins?
I know 1.03 will take a running
back. I have Drake, Singletary,
and a handful of handcuffs.
I have Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson,
Gardner Minshew, Winston, and
Haskins.
He's got picks two and four. Which
way would you go there? Clyde Edwards-Eire, Taylor, Dobbins, two of those three?
He's assuming Burroughs won.
I guess.
Burroughs won.
You're getting the top two running backs, which would be pretty incredible.
Well, you have two and four.
Two and four, yeah.
Yeah, he said he knows that.
Oh, right.
Three is going to go with a running back.
My bad.
I'd probably take Clyde or Taylor at two and then take Dobbins at four.
But why not take Burrow at two if he's there?
He has Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray.
Who else?
Winston and Minshew.
Yeah.
Well, but DeAndre Swift is also an option, I assume.
He didn't mention him.
Unless Swift's going to go number one overall.
I don't know.
I would take Dobbins before Swift, personally.
In Dynasty, yes.
Yeah.
I would take Taylor, too.
That's what I would do.
You'd go Taylor and Dobbins?
I'd go Taylor over... Yeah, Taylor
and Dobbins, probably, assuming that Clyde Edwards
and Laird would go three.
Okay. So you would rank them, Taylor,
Edwards, Lairire, Dobbins,
like that?
Correct.
Does he say who his running back's for?
Drake and who?
Drake and Singletary.
Yeah, he needs a running back
more than the quarterback.
You know, if Burrow falls to four,
I'm taking Burrow at four.
All right.
This is from Chucky Buckle.
How do you feel about the idea
for COVID setups?
Have your top four bench spots on the site
be who you want to be a replacement
if you have a late-minute scratch due to COVID?
And if you decide not to roster a backup quarterback
or tight end, you're out of luck.
I've said this, I think it was one of the shows
you missed, Adam,
that one idea that I would float out there is just
if the quarterback is ruled out last minute
or day of and your roster is locked it just becomes TQB so you get that team QB then I
understand I mean you can but the problem with that is you know it it changes the the outlook
of it for the Saints for example that are going to use take some hill or you know whatever the
Eagles are going to do with you know Jalen Hurts. So for those scenarios, I wouldn't want to screw with somebody's scoring.
I guess that's a good point.
But I think if you're just – it's only really a last-minute thing
because if you're able to make moves on Sunday,
then you should be able to find a replacement option.
But I do think that if you have the ability to sort of just –
that's an easy position.
You just make it the quarterback for the team.
I'm really leaning towards, in my leagues at least,
all being blind bid waivers on Wednesday morning or Tuesday overnight
and then first come, first serve the rest of the week
and nobody locks until they play.
It's not a bad idea.
I certainly don't think you can't do it.
To be clear, if you get dropped on Wednesday morning,
then you're going back on waivers for two days.
It's not like somebody can just go pick them up immediately.
So everybody gets a shot every week at everybody,
and then it's first come, first serve.
Yeah, and you certainly just cannot do fab Saturday night,
no more transactions Sunday.
I mean, that's just not an option at this point.
Unless you're going to do it like how you do baseball, for example,
where you open it up.
Yeah, which I've done.
I do that for our podcast league.
I open it up manually.
I would strongly suggest not doing that.
I'm doing a really good job of that.
Have we come to a consensus what we're going to tell people
in terms of IR spots?
Two?
Four?
Five?
I mean...
It's only for COVID or it's for everything?
Well, I think you factor in everything, but COVID changes it.
I would do like four then.
Yeah.
If you're doing COVID only, I would say four
because I don't want to penalize somebody
that has just everything go wrong for them over a two-week.
Everything's gone bad enough for them already.
So it's only COVID, four?
That's what I would say.
The backup idea is
this is something we talked about too where you
name two players and their best ball options
but the rest of your bench is still a bench
and you call them backups
and that's kind of similar to the
listener's question as well.
So you're saying the Sunday morning
or Saturday night somebody has to send an email or some designation of these are my replacement
guys.
So it's essentially flex plays.
Extra work.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm definitely not doing that.
It sounds like too much work to me.
All right,
guys.
Thanks a lot.
Have a great weekend,
everybody.
Enjoy yourselves.
We'll talk to you on Monday with a,
I think it's going to be a pretty fun episode.
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