Fantasy Football Today - Fantasy Mailbag, Top 5 TV Dramas (06/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 26, 2020

It's Top Five Friday! We'll give you our list of the best one-hour TV dramas of all-time, but mostly we're talking Fantasy Football with news (2:55) on the Hall of Fame Game and Odell Beckham. Then we'll read a few emails about Todd Gurley (10:30), WR tiers and projections (14:00) and Kenyan Drake (17:44). Is the Fantasy community too low on Drake? ... Taking a detour from Fantasy Football, is Breaking Bad the best show of all-time? We've each got our list of the five best one-hour TV dramas (25:30). Game of Thrones? The Wire? Is there a dark horse out there? And who thinks Better Call Saul is better than Breaking Bad!? ... Back to your emails (37:40) and Apple Podcast questions (53:40). Dynasty, keeper, league settings and more! ... Your emails at [e-mail] 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Happy Friday, everybody. Welcome to the show. It's Fantasy Football Today. Yeah, we're recording on Thursday afternoon, but it feels like a Friday. At least to me it does. And we welcome you to the show. I think we maybe should start doing Top 5 Fridays with a random Top 5 every week.

And it came down to a few good candidates. I kind of wanted to do Top 5 stadiums, but that one didn't win. So instead, Top 5 one-hour TV dramas today. In addition, your email is at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com and your questions via Apple Podcast Review. What's going on, Dave, Heath, and Ben? Somebody talk. Great hosting.

It's weekend, baby. Really good hosting. All of us can talk at the same time i thought you guys were all gonna just be silent with me i was hoping for it um the time to be silent is after adam making a joke no matter how good or how bad the joke is that's that's basically been what we've been doing for the last somehow always 10 years of thiss. You got to stop. That was a funny. And that way you give the old deadpan and it's funny. Like the whole top five stadiums thing really threw me off. Like, have you guys been to five NFL stadiums?

So I asked someone to come on the show. I won't say who. I said, hey, any interest? What is your interest level of coming on our podcast this afternoon to give your top five NFL stadiums of all time? We're recording around 3.30. You can just do the stadium rankings and be done. And he wrote, none, off.

Sounds like someone who I should get a drink. I've been to a few baseball stadiums. I went to Camden Yards. That was a very cool stadium. Yes, that's a fun stadium. I've been to a lot of baseball, yeah. Yeah, I've been to a few baseball stadiums. I went to Camden Yards. That was a very cool stadium. Yes, that's a fun stadium. I've been to a lot of baseball, yeah. Yeah, I've been to a lot of them. I've been to the Dodgers and the Angels.

Okay, so couldn't the top five stadiums include baseball? Yeah, I didn't think it had to be just football stadiums, for the record. There would be zero football stadiums in that case, because baseball stadiums have character and are different and interesting. You know, Heath, you live very, very close to one of the best football stadiums. Hard Rock Stadium is awesome now. It went from being the worst stadium I've ever been to, one of the worst, to one of the best stadiums I've ever been to. What is your over-under for the number of times I am going to go to Hard Rock Stadium in my life?

One half. The fact that you didn't go for the Super Bowl when your team was playing there leads me to believe the over-under is like 0.5. I'd put it at 0.5. That's a great stadium, though. All right, guys, let's get started here. They did some renovations, and it's really awesome, so you can go. Great.

The Hall of Fame game is canceled. I don't think you have to... I don't think it means they're not going to play the season. Don't panic. I do think it's a good not going to play this season or anything. Don't panic. It's not a surprise. It's time for another over-under. If I set the over-under on number of preseason games each team

plays at two and a half, would you take the over or the under right now? I would take the under. Yeah, I think they've pretty much been talking somewhat openly about playing two games. So that has a definite effect on the rookies, right? Oh, yeah.

It has a lot of effect on the depth. I mean, to me, this Hall of Fame game is so clearly exactly that, right? It used to always just be all the deep teams. The deep players and the teams that play them play five preseason games. Right. So it's like, it's totally that 53rd to 90th man on the roster. And then I don't even think they're at 90 man cutdowns at that point, or maybe they are, but you have all these really, you know, unknowns and those guys aren't going to get any reps. They're not going to get any chance to make teams. Or the teams might say, well, we know what we've got in our veterans.

Let's let them rest, and we'll put our second and third stringers out there for the preseason games. Maybe, but I think you want to be tuned up. I'm not sure. Each team's different. The Rams and the Bears last year didn't really play their starters very much. I don't think the Rams played their starters. Look how that worked out.

Yeah, I know. Well, they were so good. Patrick Mahomes played in the preseason last year. I went to one game where he played, I think it was two series against the Steelers, and he was out of there. Yeah, the elite elite might not play. So maybe the veterans play one game and the the third stringers play the other yeah look you don't need it in college football i don't know why you need four preseason games

in the nfl i think it's partially to get people to buy more to the season ticket holders have to buy the games right it's it's a scam uh that's it right okay odell be Beckham fully recovered from hip and groin surgery. He's not controversial, but a polarizing player in fantasy. He played through injury all season long, and he's 100% now. So I know we're a little split on Beckham here. Let's do some rankings. Let's do Odell Beckham, A.J. Brown, and Adam Thielen. How would you rank those three? Beckham is a player that I am getting a lot more excited about and is somebody that I'm strongly questioning vis-a-vis AJ Brown.

And I have them actually 12-13 right now. I still have Brown ahead and I still typically take Brown ahead of Beckham, but I can very much see the case for taking Beckham ahead of Brown, both from my favorite way of looking at it from the upside perspective and also floor and everything else. I would take those two over Thielen. I got Thielen at the top of the list in PPR. I think he'll get the most targets.

And I have Brown next because I think he's got more upside than Odell. Yeah, Thielen Beckham Brown. Somebody made the point on Twitter the other day, and I hadn't really thought about this, that Beckham's most likely to be in the role that we saw

Stephon Diggs in last year. And that's a pretty exciting role for a player with Odell Beckham skill set. Like he can, the whole drop in targets thing, which is likely to happen, I think with Stefanski is not near as scary if he has a chance to average 17 yards per catch. And I think he does. The issue is just that, you know, Diggs only signed 94 targets.

If they're good and they run the ball and they control games and they have so many short and intermediate targets. You think about it from the depth perspective that I always talk about, I think it fits as well. Landry and Hooper and Joku is a little bit more of a field-stretching tight end, but he's obviously not a huge piece. Kareem Hunt, all these guys are underneath options. And Landry's ADOT's been a little higher with the Browns for a couple of

years, but certainly the addition of Hooper adds so much more to their short area depth that it's just hard to see Beckham seeing monster targets. Well, just want to tell you what we have coming up for you next week. Five shows. We're going to do some top fives next week for sure. Dave came up with some really good ones,

so they'll be on the schedule for next week. Hopefully Dave will be on next week. He might not be, but you'll get some combination, right? You will, by the way, we'll have an intro at some point that has Ben's name in it. I promise.

I've been working on that for like a month and a half. I'm waiting on it. But Mock Draft Monday and then some top fives. Sign up for the newsletter, cbssports.com slash newsletter. Stay up to date with fantasy football content all offseason long. News of the day, editorial pieces, updated rankings and more. Go to cbssports.com slash newsletter.

And you'll see we have a bunch of newsletters that you can subscribe to. And obviously it's free, right to your inbox. And a really good way to stay up to date. Big, big news today. Breaking news coming across the wire, ladies and gentlemen. It's Ben Gretsch's birthday.

Happy birthday, Ben Gretsch. Can we circle back to how random that was that you had to announce that? Because it's funny, you texted me the other day. Hey man, I tried to get it going earlier this off season.

It hasn't worked out yet. Oh, the intro thing? To get you on the thing. But I guess we've been getting listener emails about it or something. Well, you're part of the team, and you deserve to be in the intro. I've tried to make that happen for a while. I'm waiting and waiting. It's going to happen.

And yes, people have asked me, when are you going to get Ben's name in the intro? Happy birthday, Ben. So here's the game we're going to play real quick. Ben played 18 holes today. Everybody guess birthday, Ben. So here's the game we're going to play real quick. Ben played 18 holes today. Everybody guess what he shot. Thursday. So everyone's going to hear this Friday.

But yeah, it was my birthday yesterday. Don't wish me happy birthday. I'm old. You're the youngest one on the show. How many rounds of golf have you played in the last year? This was my fifth round in 2020. And I always put the clubs away come August because football season.

So it's been, yeah. Are we doing closest to without going over? Yeah, closest to the pin. This is a good idea. Yeah, we even have the. But without going over. No, just closest to the pin. I'm so bad at this.

I'm going to say even 100. I was going to say 90. I was going to the pit. I'm so bad at this. I'm going to say an even 100. I was going to say 90. I was going to say 97. Oh, sorry, Ben. A's or wins. I shot a 99 today. It was probably my worst score of my five rounds. One round was

a scramble. Another one, I shot 100, but at a US Open course, Chambers Bay up here. But yeah, I didn't score very well at all. But I made two birdies and still shot a 99 somehow. It was a rough day. That sounds like a fun birthday. I hope you have a good time tonight. Good time this weekend. And happy birthday, man. You'll be in the intro. Keith, I appreciate the confidence with the 90. I wish I could have played better and you could have been right. You know, if you play 10 times a year and you're any good at all i figure that's a good guess and

you might shoot a couple like 95 probably would have been a safer guess but my last full round where i didn't do a scramble i shot a 93 so you would have won on on that number okay now i have to google what a scramble is so let's read some emails real quick. We're going to do emails. A couple of eggs. We're going to do emails now. Then we're going to do top five hour-long TV dramas. Then we're going to do more emails and your Apple Podcast questions. Let's get started. This is from Anthony.

Hey, Peter, Ned, MJ, and Flash. Oh, that's Spider-Man or something. Okay. Peter Parker and Mary Jane is the gal in Spider-Man, right? Yeah. MJ? Okay, well, whatever.

I feel like Todd Gurley is coming in underrated this season. I don't understand why Melvin Gordon and Aaron Jones are going ahead of Todd Gurley. I know he was unproductive last year, but I think with a much better Falcons offensive line and a year off his bizarre injury will bring back some of his magic. Also, last year it was reported that the Falcons

really wanted to run the ball a lot more, but it did not turn out well, maybe because of their running back talent in 2019. What are your thoughts? Well, it's not really a bizarre injury. He has arthritis in his knee. It's a thing that will recur and continue to recur and probably shorten his career.

And I think like back to back in every draft, not always with Gordon going first, like it's very, very close between those two. Yeah. I was just going to add, it's not, his injury is not dissimilar to what essentially pushed JJ out of the league. And JJ was, I think everyone thought, was a fairly talented running back. But he has a degenerative knee condition. I mean, it's unfortunate, but it's the reality, right?

I mean, I'm not overstating this. He's on a team that, like, even with uneven talent, running back just pretty much always splits touches amongst their running backs. Now, with all That being said, he was managed throughout last year and he played most every game. I think he sat out one game last year. So I don't know if the injury concern is as big of a deal as the efficiency

concern. Can he score 10 touchdowns in Atlanta? Let's start excuse me well you think he can score 10 touchdowns in atlanta then you've got to keep him on your radar as a top 15 type of fantasy running back if you don't think he can do it then i think you just stay away from him and he's being drafted close to the top 15 right he is but some of that has to do with the fact that there just aren't a lot of running backs that you can feel confident in as number two guys. And so people just kind of gravitate toward Gurley. They draft him and they cross their fingers.

I will say I can understand the pick. And as far as these guys that I typically don't love players and running backs in his range and this type of player, yada, yada, don't pay for pass production. All these things I've said, Atlanta's offense will score points and it's going to be very concentrated. And they've typically always thrown to their backs a ton. I know Devonta Freeman has been a good pass catching running back and a good route runner, but I think some of that goes back to the offense and goes back to the

quarterback and goes back to the team passing volume. So I think Gurley should be able to rack up a decent number of receptions in this offense as well. I think they're fairly committed to him. They gave him a decent number of guaranteed money. I think they gave him about $6 million guaranteed, even though he had some offset money from Rams after his release. Right about that.

I think it might have been five. Yeah, and he's a Georgia product. He's a local boy like i don't think it would be wild if they're like hey this is our guy we're gonna we're gonna let him be you know let him be the guy and really use him heavily because they just don't have a ton of depth but he's right i mean we haven't seen that in atlanta for a long time okay next email and thank you for the question, Anthony, is from Jacob Grant. Hey, Adam, Heath, Jamie, and Ben. Sorry, Dave, you are not allowed to answer this apparently. Half-point PPR redraft league.

How big of a gap do you guys see between the top tier of receivers, excluding Michael Thomas, and the next tier? So how big of a gap between Devante Adams, Julio Jones, Tyreek Hill, DeAndre Hopkins, for us, Chris Godwin, and the next tier? About 50 fantasy points. Three points a week. Well, that's pretty big. In PPR. I mean, it's bigger in ppr but for like i have adams and julio

um about about 50 points higher than that next tier so i have hill and adams in my second tier and then a gap down to julio i'm a little bit concerned about julio's age and and all those things but I still think Julio's going to be very good this year. I have number four, but that's where my gap hits. And I like Hill and Adams quite a bit more than that next group, and that's why I have DJ Moore 5. We were just talking about this. And again, this is PPR.

I would say it's a pretty big gap. And to illustrate how big the gap is, my difference between Chris Godwin and number 25, Terry McLaurin, is about half of that. Interesting. All right, then. Next question from Matt. Oh, Dave, you really were allowed to answer, but that's okay. Dear Mike, Doug, Joe, and Ron, when you create your ranking, Mike, Doug, Joe, and Ron.

Mike, Doug, Joe, and Ron. When you create your ranking, Mike, Doug, Joe and Ron. Mike, Doug, Joe and Ron. Doug Williams and Joe Theismann? I was thinking Washington head coaches. Oh. Joe Gibbs and Ron Rivera. Mike Shanahan. Who's the Doug? I don't know.

Maybe it's Doug from the TV don't know. Maybe it's, maybe it's Doug from the TV show. Doug, when you create your rankings using projections, how much do the projected points have to drop for you to consider a player to be in a different tier? And I put these back to back. So I thought they were kind of related.

For example, two receivers with one point difference would be the same tier. Two receivers with an 80 point difference would definitely be in different tiers. So, you know how, yeah, the question is how do you separate players into tiers

based on their projected fantasy points? How many fantasy points have to be between them? It's so dependent. It's an art, not a science. Yep. Best way to put it. Okay. A little bit.

I think it just really comes down to what's your expectation for the player? And once you've got that for a player, you group them with other players who have the same type of expectation. Maybe within 200 yards total, a touchdown here and there between players. There are players in my top five that are separated by more than 10 points that I have in the same tier. But in the 30s or 40s, if there's a 10 point gap, that's a definite tier Mark Roth. And that's, you know, and that's just considering the raw projection numbers. But I know Heath for you and especially for me, we also have to consider that this is a baseline projection and there are upside and downside.

And sometimes they are not symmetrical factors that we have to consider. So sometimes you have a guy who doesn't project very well, but you might have them in a higher tier because you see scenarios where his upside is a lot higher. You just can't project that like in a baseline for his team. All right. Last question before we give you some TV talk. This is from Daniel in Indianapolis.

Dear Marty, Wendy, Charlotte, and Jonah. Ozark. Will Ozark make the top five on anyone's list? We'll find out. I was wondering why,

why the fantasy community was low. In my opinion on Kenyon Drake. I know you guys have him around RB7 and PPR, RB11 and non-PPR. Fantasy pros, half PPR has him at RB10, after Jacobs and before Aaron Jones. I don't see why he can't be on the same level as Mixon, maybe even Dalvin Cook,

especially with Hopkins spreading the field in Arizona and pulling guys out of the box. Your thoughts, guys, on Kenyon Drake? Are people too low on Kenyon Drake? I'm looking on nfc adp he's going 11th overall so no um half ppr adp on fantasy football calculator uh he's going in the third round 28th overall and fantasy pros i think i'm looking at non-PPR. He's going 25th or 28th overall. RB 12.

That's non-PPR. So where should Kenyon Drake go? If he's going at the end of round two, beginning of round three in a 12-team league, is that too late for Drake? I would take him a little bit higher, I think, but I think it's reasonable. I mean, he's 26, and he hasn't been ever like a fantasy stud. We're projecting out a lot from the late season stretch,

and I know Towers in his Arizona Cardinals team preview, and we have a lot of great team previews up on the site that we should probably plug at some point, but we just released them all this week. Chris wrote that one chris wrote all right let's plug it let's plug it heath read chris's story on the on the arizona i always plug chris's stuff never heaths it's running joke he took drake as his bus we did a sleeper breakout bus for each we did a a key quote and he's projections and our rankings and all the key information that you need to know about you know vacated opportunity which heath has compiled for us a lot of great

stuff and on these team previews he picked drake as his bus and part of it he pointed out that drake even when he was really great with arizona late last year it was a lot of that was two games and he had six touchdowns in two games um and i think over 300 rushing yards in those two games and then only hit like 70 yards in one of his other, you know, seven or eight games with Arizona. We do know that the Arizona offense will produce running back points, so that's a good thing. Like Chase Edmonds had the three-touchdown game, big game in New York, and David Johnson prior to that was scoring a lot,

wasn't as efficient as a rusher, but was catching plenty of passes out of the backfield. The concern with Drake for me, we talked about on the slot show, was that Edmonds played out of the slot a ton, David Johnson played out of the slot a ton, and they drafted Benjamin, who has a great receiving track record out of Arizona State and I think could also be a pass-catching back.

They didn't use Drake out of the slot a ton, even though he did have a good track record as a receiver at Alabama and at Miami as well. He wasn't as involved as a receiver last year, so that's got to improve. I think we've talked about how talent and opportunity are two different things and two different factors in fantasy football. When it comes down to it, opportunity is more important because talented players sit on the sidelines all the time they can't get your fantasy points unless they're on the field getting the opportunities

and i think drake is going to be proof of opportunity being more important than talent in that he's he's the lead guy in this backfield last year i know edmunds is going to have a role but last year there wasn't a game there might might have been one game where a second running back had more than six touches for Arizona. So when they have a lead back, they have a lead back. But there's no doubt he's inconsistent. You talked about how Chris mentioned that there were two games where he was on fire. He got a third of his rushing yards on eight carries in Arizona. I mean, it's kind of baffling that he can have these big breakout runs and then he averages below four yards per carry, well below four yards per carry

on his other runs outside of that. So there's a boom bust flavor to him, but the fact that he's going to get a lot of work and it's in an offense that should be very good, that should get fantasy managers excited. I do think he has a chance to total 1,500 yards this year. That puts him in the second tier for me. I wouldn't expect him to catch a ton of passes, but I would expect him to be pretty useful. The Dolphins did not utilize him very much at all. There were only three games where he had 15 plus carries in Miami. He's already had four with Arizona. First off, I agree with the emailer. I would take Kenyon Drake ahead of Joe Mixon. Second, I don't think Kenyon Drake is necessarily an opportunity over talent guy,

because I believe he's very talented. And the two times that a team has treated him like anything close to a feature back. He's been a top 10 back for that stretch and the, he only had two good games thing. I don't really, I mean, he had three games with over a hundred yards rushing. He had another game where he had 83 total yards and a touchdown. So, and he had another game where he cuts two games or caught six passes,

right? Yes. So, yeah, I was just kind of sharing the counter. I have him RB8 ahead of Mixon as well. It was not two games. It was three games. 83 yards and a touchdown and three catches is a good game for a running back. Yeah, all right.

So he had three huge games. He had one very good game. He had four pretty bad games. Although two of those bad games, he did have six catches. So not that bad. In PPR, I think he only had two bad games. That's fair. Well, he had nine points, seven points, and nine points.

I'd say three bad games. Okay. I focus on team a ton, too, though. And this is a small sample, and we know the rest of the season for Arizona. As I noted, Chase Edmonds had a great game. is a small sample, and we know the rest of the season for Arizona, as I noted, Chase Edmonds had a great game. David Johnson was productive, even while he wasn't playing well. This is an offense with Cliff Kingsbury and Kyler Murray

that seems advantageous for running back scoring. Yes. If you draft Drake, get Edmonds later. I think he's one of the good handcuffs to get. And I would say, even if you don't draft Drake, get Edmonds later. Arizona running backs. David Johnson, weeks 1 through 6, top 7 running back. Chase Edmonds, weeks 7 and 8, top 7 running back.

Of course, that was one huge game and one terrible game. Kenyon Drake, weeks 9 through 17, number 4 running back in fantasy. So, they were all top 7 running backs in their short windows where they were the feature guy for Arizona. Okay. Coming up, how can a guy who's never seen the Sopranos and hates the wire actually give you a top five list of one hour TV dramas because he's the host of the show

and that's coming up next. And that's not just my list, by the way, we're all given lists. And then we've got more emails, more of your questions on Apple podcasts coming right back on fantasy football today. Whether in the game or in life,

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Top 5, what should we do a Top 5 list of? And one hour TV dramas became the winner. So who wants to go first? Ben, you want to go first? It's your birthday. Oh, I was golfing today. I didn't really take great notes. I want to try to see if I want to go first it's your birthday oh i uh i was golfing today i didn't really take great notes i want to try to see if i want to steal from the other guys all right dave do you want to go first it's ben's birthday i just i i think it's hysterical that we're going to do a top five tv dramas list where one of us barely watches tv that's me one of us hasn't watched the

sopranos that's adam i don't know how much TV Heath and Ben watch to help cover this list, but I kind of think it's hilarious that we're doing this. I don't even have five TV shows on my list. I only have four. Dave! I will go first. Do you want me to BS it?

He's going first. Deal one off Adam or I's list. Because we need to all have a top five listen I'm being honest I have about seven I just want to make sure I don't miss one I watch a lot of TV I have 12

do you want my list just to get it out of the way no you don't have a complete list so just listen to Heath's and steal one from Heath and then we'll go to you I'm not going to steal a show that I've never watched. You have seen several of the shows that we're going to say. You've just forgotten about TV shows because TV has existed for a long time. And there was a point in your life where you watched more TV than you currently do. So the top five TV shows in the first division,

CSI, NCIS, Criminal Minds, CSI in Miami, and Star Trek The Next Generation. Now in the non-CBS division. The non-CBS division. Those are obviously the top five best. Yeah, I had the same list. You had the same top five. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The non-CBS division.

I've got Mad Men number one. Oh, that's good. I forgot got Mad Men, number one. Oh, that's good. I forgot about Mad Men. Breaking Bad, number two. See, I don't think it's a top five show for me. Friday Night Lights, number three. Homeland, number four. And Stranger Things, number five.

I had Stranger Things in an honorable mention. I have a confession to make. As a football analyst, it seems a little unsmart, and my wife loves it. Never watched Friday Night Lights? Yeah, me either. I saw the movie.

I never really liked football shows. The TV show is so much better. I always thought football shows were so poorly done in fiction. This is an excellent show that also happens to have football in it. Everyone says that. My brother's a big football fan. He says that, and I still have never gotten around to it.

And it's so bingeable. You can binge it. Just watch it now. I think it's still on Netflix. Interesting. Okay, I've never seen Mad Men. I've never seen The Sopranos. I've never seen Mad Men. This is ridiculous. seen The Sopranos. I've never seen Mad Men.

This is ridiculous. I've watched one of the shows that Heath mentioned. He dropped the names of 12 shows, and I've watched one of them. Stranger Things? Stranger Things. Is that on your list? All right, I'll give you mine now. All right, let's go, Ben.

Because I think Heath filled it out. Ozark has to be on it. Are you going five to one? Game of Thrones has to be on it. People don't like how Game of Thrones ended. You got to rank them, Ben. You can't just say them. You got to rank them.

What's number one? Number one is Game of Thrones. People don't like how Game of Thrones ended. You got to rank them, Ben. You can't just say them. What's number one? Number one is Game of Thrones. People don't like how Game of Thrones ended. I just want to be, this is not just a TV advice. This is not just applicable to fantasy football. This is life advice. Expectations determine how you feel about things. Game of Thrones set expectations so high,

but a huge part of how they got there was because of how sprawling the world that they created was and how all their characters were doing all these different things they had to bring them all back into one place at one point it was destined to fail in some way or another i hate the way they treated the white walkers and how all that finished like after they built it up after over all those seasons but at least they tied most of the characters arcs with bows. It was a bad ending. But you can't discount

how high... The reason we all hated the ending so much is because of how high they set the bar for so many years. That show was so good. You're right, Ben. They should have treated the evil flesh-eating zombies better. They probably should have. Game of Thrones, Wire is two. Wire is wires awesome i struggled with season two

like a lot of people season three probably my favorite season of television um i know it's like a cliche one but it's that good and i didn't watch that until a couple years ago i watched it way after it was dated and all the technology was dated and it was still amazing i'm gonna put ozark at three it's still going on in toronto i think it's the best show currently on tv is so good um i'm gonna take from heath and use madmen and i guess i'll maybe put that four and i'm gonna put better call saw on this list i think is better than breaking bad easily you better start a thread right now of ben gretch bad takes that is worse than anything i've ever said, ever.

Better call Saul, better than Breaking Bad. That's not even like a rare take. There's a lot of people that have made that take. The worst take of FFT history. You are out of the intro. How about, I just will do a Twitter poll first. Okay. And then honorable mentions for the Americans, which I just finished.

I really, really liked. I just didn't think it was good enough. I'll put breaking bad as an honorable mention. I almost was thinking about adding man in the high tower just because I'm a history buff. And I thought that was a really interesting show. I didn't really like where they went with everything, but you like it so much.

You got the name of it wrong. Man, the high tower. What is it? High castle. Ah, man, the high castle,

which was a very good show it is well all right it's all right you're on your top five dave they're in my top five they're my top four because it's one of the shows that i've actually watched in the last 15 all right dave unveil your top four so pharaohs is number one for me it's so rewatchable it's so great amazing characters layers to every single one and you didn't know who was going to die each week made it fun and compelling uh number two for me is the walking dead it's not nearly as good now as it was three or four years ago i think the early seasons are definitely rewatchable i like that show a lot stranger things is third for me and man in the

high castle is fourth these are also the only one hour drama shows that i've Man in the High Castle is fourth. These are also the only one-hour drama shows that I've seen in the last 15 years. Okay, my list. I think you guys know what number one is for me, right? I say it all the time. My favorite show ever? Remember? I know it's a police show.

Yeah. I think it's on FX. Yeah, yeah. I don't know the name of it the shield shield okay shields number one not the not the not about like the the superheroes it's like a police officer shield correct correct okay the shield um breaking bad 2 game of thrones 3 you have the wrong narcos on your list you have the wrong netflix show on your list ben it's narcos is actually slightly better than Ozark.

What was your third one? I'm sorry. Narcos is good, but not better than Ozark. I think it is, but Narcos Mexico, I'm not counting. I'm counting the three seasons of the Columbia edition. The Columbia one was great. Not better. I like it better than Ozark. It's a drama, but it's based on a true story.

It's not better than Ozark, but okay. What's five? Five is The Leftovers, and I'm just going to say it's the most unique show I've ever seen. So nobody said Lost. I've never seen Lost. The three that I probably need to see are Lost,

Sopranos, and Mad Men. The ones that I want to try again are The Wire, and Shameless is great, by the way, but I've never seen it start to finish. Better Call Saul I kind of gave up on after three seasons. I want to pick it up again. Oh, you know so well that Breaking Bad is better than Better Call Saul, but you

haven't actually watched Better Call Saul. I've seen 75% of it. That's such an age of tech. I'm not going to comment on Sopranos, which I started a couple years ago and I only got into season two. I can't say it's bad. It just didn't keep me and I didn't stick with it. I'll probably go back to it at some point. I don't like to sit here and say Sopranos is bad

just because I didn't get into the show. I didn't say Better Call Saul was bad. I just said it's not better than Breaking Bad. You didn't watch it. I watched three seasons. I watched a lot of it. Alright. Dexter, honorable mention. Sons of Anarchy. Stranger Things. Billions is great. Magic City. I only saw one of the two seasons. Magic City season one is as good um dexter honorable mention sons of anarchy stranger things billions is great magic city

i only saw one of the two seasons magic city season one is as good as anything i've seen but i recommend the leftovers it's it's unique you don't it's not one of those shows where people have to die for it to be good which i think is kind of a lost art these days so give it a shot it's on hbo you said billions i haven't seen that one yet but it reminded me of successionion which I do like oh I heard very good things yeah alright cool thank you guys good stuff

I've almost got the consensus top 5 ok alright well I'll keep talking you can figure it out I believe it is Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones Mad Men Sopranos and The Shield wait what? Stranger Things Game of Thrones, Mad Men, Sopranos, and The Shield. Wait, what?

No. Stranger Things. Stranger Things. Stranger Things is fourth, and so we'll put The Sopranos fifth. The Wire. None of you guys had The Wire. The Wire is the boring version of The Shield. If you really want...

You stopped during Season 2 and never went to Season 3. I'm not supposed to just keep watching bad shows like who does that i i tried game of thrones everyone says the wire is amazing and this is why i stuck with it because it is slow at the beginning but if everyone says it's amazing then you watch it yeah it sounds like that's what chris towers tries to tell me about parks and rec oh it's so funny he agrees it's the first season is awful. You just have to get through the awful first season. I don't want to watch the entire first season.

You don't even have to watch the first season. It's awful. The first season, six episodes, I think. So there's that. You don't even have to watch it. You can clearly just skip season one.

Parks and Rec is awesome. You're right, Ben. I do want to give The Wire another shot. I really do. I just, I was so bored watching six episodes. I was like, what is The Hubbub? But all right, I'll give it another shot i really do i just i was so bored watching i six episodes i was like what is

the hubbub but all right i'll give it another shot season three is where you're like all right this is amazing and season two of the shield is where you like that's the thing you gotta come strong in season two i can sit through one okay season two seasons give me a break but like that's the thing about homeland and you gave up on it after one bad season, I believe, which is season three. The first season of Homeland might be the greatest season in television history. I mean, it's great. It's really up there.

It's incredible. Second one's good, and then it goes through a one-season lull, and then it has a phenomenal finish. I just don't like Carrie. You give up on things. Yeah, I do. I have a lot of shows out there. Ever since I quit soccer when I was

seven years old, I realized that giving up is so smart. You don't do the things that you don't want to do and you move on to better things that are more fun. We have preliminary results with 444 votes in. Breaking Bad receiving 66% of the vote.

In second place, C results at 21%. And in third place, Better Call Saul at 13%. Okay. All right, here we go. I didn't get the Breaking Bad hype, man. It was good. I really liked it. I binged it.

But I will say your point about bad or slow starts or bad first seasons for anyone who hasn't seen Game of Thrones and might worry about that. Game of Thrones. That's another reason it's so great. Just starts hot and stays hot. You're right. Comes out swinging. And the thing is, I don't think it's the best show ever because I think at times it sort of resorts to there's a there's a a funny Andy Samberg skit on SNL about it where it's just like, nudity, murder.

It's like, here's kind of a boring episode. Well, let's decapitate someone. It kind of resorts to that. So I don't think it's the best, but it is the one that I recommend. If you said, what's one show that you have to watch? Game of Thrones is the most fun show that I've ever seen and visually very

appealing. So watch it. Okay. Now let's talk football. Emails part two. All right. You brought up on a couple podcasts. This is from Lewis. The issue of what happens if one of your players will be ruled out last minute due to COVID-19. Can you address ideas as to who would win the league if the season is cut short like NBA or NHL?

Say there was a second wave and they just stopped the season. What do you do, Dave? I think win total will determine your winner. Pretty simple, right? Points total or win total? Everyone their money back. You're a champion. Well, if you don't want to do that, if you...

Well, hold on. If it's week 12 and we've been playing fantasy football for a dozen weeks already, you're just going to cancel everything that's been done and give everybody their money back? Yes. Not crown a champion? Well, in our leagues, at week 12, no one's actually paid yet.

So it's going to be hard to collect. It depends on who the commissioner is. This is tough, but we actually had it happen in our XFL league. It was easy enough there because I believe it was Jamie who won. He had the most wins and the most points. Sometimes it's not going to be as clear.

It should be most wins. What happened to that one league where I got so many points and then everybody quit? The multi-sport thing. OmniFantasy? OmniFantasy, yeah. Did I ever get my points? Your fake points for college basketball

when they didn't play the tournament? Oh, right. That's worse than Azar's poker win when he split the pot. I will guarantee you there's a banner hanging from Alan Fieldhouse at some point in the future. They will claim that championship. I can guarantee you that NCAA is going to take it away.

All right, moving on. Dustin from Miami. Dear Steve, Kerry, Vince, and Ryan. This one we should get. Steve, Kerry, Vince, and Ryan. I got it. Titans quarterbacks. You got it.

Yeah, that's good. I'm in the final year of a 10-team non-PPR keeper league that resets after every third season. We keep two players from the round they were drafted in. I'm drafting eighth. Final year of a 10-team non-PPR keeper league that resets after every third season. We keep two players from the round they were drafted in. I'm drafting eighth. So I'm keeping Devontae Adams in the third round. Who should my second keeper be?

Kamara in the first. This is non-PPR. Kamara in the first, Eckler in the fifth, or Drake in the sixth? I love all the detail in this email. I think it helps determine that Kamara is the pick. I know it's not as good a value as Eckler or Drake, but you've got Alvin Kamara for a long time.

No, this is the final year. It's just one year. Really? Then I read it. Did you read any of the details, Dave? I know. It resets after every third season. I'm in the final year of a 10 team. That's actually why I would take Kamara. I'm going to final year of a 10 team. That's actually why I would take Kamara.

I'm going to go the other way from Dave, is that sometimes it's great to have these later values that maybe you can hold for multiple seasons, but I don't mind throwing them away because you don't have multiple... Like Eckler in the fifth could end up being great for multiple seasons. Right, and then you can't keep them anyway.

This could be the difference, though, between what? Drake and who's a – I think I'd go Drake. There's a big difference between who you're going to get in the first and sixth in this league. But there's going to be so many keepers out of the pool. You've got to remember the first is more like the third, and the sixth is more like the eighth. That's a big difference.

That makes me want Camara. Camara will probably be the number one pick in the redraft portion and you're not going to get them back. This dude will have two first round picks and a second round pick in this league that he can't keep after this year. Now that I've read everything, I'm sticking with the Camaras. Drake.

Okay. Two Camaras and a Drake. This is Steve in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Our draft allows us to keep one player from the sixth round on for the following season. It's 14 rounds. It's PPR.

It's one QB. Oh, right. He's got, uh, some tough choices here. Who are you keeping? Austin Eckler in the six,

this PPR, Eckler in the six, DJ Moore in the seventh, Kyler Murray in the 12th or Kareem Hunt in the 14. This is PPR. Eckler in the sixth. DJ Moore in the seventh. Kyler Murray in the twelfth or Kareem Hunt in the fourteenth. Moore, next question. Eckler. Get out of here.

What he doesn't say is can you keep Moore again the following year? Or maybe he says, and I just didn't read. I read the email twice. Can you keep Moore again because he's at one year? One year. How do you know that?

Because you get to keep one player from the sixth round on for the following season. It's Moore or Eckler, right? I agree. It has to be. It's probably got to be Eckler. All right. Dave's breaking the ties going Eckler.

This is from Kevin. Dear Nick, Ron, Randall, and Donovan. Eagles quarterbacks. I've got quite the stable of wide receivers in my PPR 12-team dynasty league. I've got Hopkins, Tyreek, Devante Adams, Julio Jones, and Chris Godwin. Congratulations. We start two wide receivers and two flex spots. So each week I need to decide which of these guys to sit.

Which wide receiver should I trade and what kind of value can I expect in return? No one wants Julio because he's, quote, old for Dynasty. Trade Hopkins. Then I'd trade Hopkins, yep. Right. That's the first guy I would try and move. See what you can get for him. If you can get a good deal for him, then move him.

And the second guy, and this is going to be a little weird, but if you can get a good deal for him then move him and the second guy and it's going to be a little weird but if you can't get much for opkins it would be godwin for me and i understand he's the youngest and and your your future but this team already has an old core you have a narrow window um and i think godwin's the one that's maybe a little bit over valued as much as i really do like him i i just think so much has changed in tampa that i think there's a lot of a positive expectation and you can get a lot out of him you could get a really good running back out of him i think would you at least consider seeing what you could get for davante adams sure yeah he's 27 too

i wouldn't mind moving him okay what are we getting for them, though? Is Joe Mixon enough? He has Mixon. No, he doesn't. Mixon's on a contract here. It might hold out, and we don't know what his next contract's going to be. He's not a guy I'm targeting against. I would... This is going to just make Ben furious,

but I would trade DeAndre Hopkins for Austin Eckler. You think Eckler's got, like... You could get something extra with him. You think Eckler's got like extra with him? You think Eckler's got like a long-term? He's got a, he's just signed a four-year deal. We've never seen him as a feature back. I don't know if the person who has Eckler would get, would do that deal.

I think you could get Eckler plus. They'd have to be rich at running back. Can we just be clear on his four-year deal? He's already 25 and it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not a monster deal wow it's not it's not it's not a monster deal it's it's a good deal but it could easily mean that if he doesn't carry the load well that he ends up being the second piece of a committee like he was with gordon and it could mean that

for 2020 for all we know i think he's overvalued in dynasty. He could very easily in 2021 be back to like a, a change of pace role, but he could also break out even more in 2020. Sure. He could be very well, very value for the next three years, which is what I would hope for. If I had Eklund dynasty. That's why I was saying Godwin though.

I think you could try and get like miles Sanders. Yeah. I was going to say miles Sanders. I don't know how everybody views him. I know on this podcast, we're a little higher on him, but I think I would trade any single one of these wide receivers for Miles Sanders. That would be the first thing I'd try to do.

I think Ben would be with me on that. I don't know about David Heath. I would not trade Tyreek or Adams for Sanders. I would probably trade Adams, but I wouldn't trade Tyreek. He's still a little younger. I wouldn probably trade Adams, but I wouldn't trade Tyreek. He's still a little younger. I wouldn't trade Godwin either. I think all three of those guys would be hard sells.

I'll probably draft Godwin over Sanders in Dynasty, so that's fair. I mean, it's a good point. Okay. All right. This is from NoName. Dear Derek, Bruce, Travis, and Gene. I'll figure it out. How do you feel about the friendship strategy for the running back position?

I feel there are some interesting opportunities this year to make this work, especially with the rookie running back class this year and the possibility of them being behind where they usually are in a normal season. Oh, these are Lee's. Derek Lee, Bruce Lee, Travis Lee and Gene Lee? Who the hell is that? I don't know.

You don't know who Gene Lee is? I was thinking Derek Thomas and Bruce Smith and trying to think of sack guys for Travis and Gene. I was thinking Derek Henry and Travis Henry. I don't know Bruce Henry. I'm not reading this question. Friendship strategy for running back is fine if they're late round guys. I mean, I think there's certainly some opportunities, like you said. Miami's maybe one, Tampa Bay's maybe one,

where you can get two guys in like the seventh and eighth round that are both. Ideally, one of them will emerge as an every week starter. You could do it with the 49ers too. You invest in Mostert. Hopefully it doesn't cost you a top 50 pick. Probably not even a top 60 pick, but you get Mostert. Not a lot of people are hot on the trail of Tevin Coleman.

And you have both those guys on your team. That's the team that loves to run the football. Bills are another one. Singletary and Moss. Bills are a great one. Yeah. Heath, we really should have remembered Travis Lee. Baseball player. Played for Tampa Bay.

He remembers rookie card. He's the first baseman, too. They're both first basemen, right? In baseball? Bruce Lee was a shortstop, right? Gene Lee was a famous murderer. I just Googled it. I Googled it too.

All right. Here's one from James. Dear Charlie, Dee, Dennis, and Mac. Always sunny. From the UK here. 10-team Superflex PPR League, six point per passing touchdown. Deshaun Watson as a keeper for a seventh round pick.

He has that. McCaffrey has been kept for the eighth overall pick and Saquon for a seventh round pick. He has that. McCaffrey has been kept for the eighth overall pick and Saquon for the second overall pick. I have the fourth pick in the draft. If he's still on board, would you take Patrick Mahomes or should I go with one of the remaining top running backs? So he's not going to get Barkley or McCaffrey.

It's a super flex. He already has a Sean Watson. It's PPR. It's 10 teams. Would you take Patrick Mahomes or an elite running back? Take Mahomes. I always like to have a lineup that is a differentiator. The smaller my league gets.

And I think 10 is small enough. Where if you've got Mahomes and Deshaun Watson starting every single week, you should have a pretty sweet edge over the rest of the league. This is from Luke. No penalty for the round. They're drafted. Who do you pick between the Sean Watkins, Josh Jacobs,

and Deandre Hopkins? The Sean Watkins. I don't even know who that is. Did I say that? Yeah. Shoot. The Sean Watson, Josh Jacobs,

and Deandre Hopson. I go Jacobs and Hopkins. Yep. Yep. Okay. And Garrett Tuck is in a 12-team half PPR Dynasty League. Give up Miles Sanders. What?

Give up Miles Sanders. Tariq Cohen. Michael Gallup. And a 2021 first-round pick. Better get a lot back. All right. Miles Sanders, Tariq Cohen, Michael Gallup, and a 2021 first-round pick. Get back Alvin Kamara and Juju

Smith-Schuster. Fair. It's a lot, but I really like Kamara and Juju. Yeah. I'm updating the trade chart tomorrow. I don't think that I would probably do that. Yeah, I mean, I...

It's really close. You got to have Kamara over Sanders. And you got to have Juju over Gallup by a lot. And maybe by a first. The thing about Kamara, though, is how concerned are we about this being Drew Brees' last year? And it also could be Kamara's last year with the Saints. It's possible. Sure.

But would you take Miles Sanders over him in a startup draft? No. No. But I do just want to bring that up. I think it's closer than it sounds in redraft. I agree with you, Adam. I think the only way you win on the Sanders side is if you nail the 2021 first with a wide receiver.

And there's going to be good wide receivers in next year's class, but you can already get Juju, who even if he doesn't pan out with the Steelers and they trade him or he signs another contract somewhere else, he's going to have good appeal on that second team. I might just be higher on Gallup. Yeah. Gallup's very good.

But Juju is, you know, as much as he had a bad year last year, he's one of my favorite dynasty buys this offseason. He's still only, what is it, 23 until November, late November. He's already done so much in his career at this point, and he was very good in college as well. There's almost like no track record for a guy being as good as he was, as young as he was, and as good as he was in college, and then suddenly not being good anymore.

There is a track record for guys having a blip like he did last year and then coming back and being good again. Amari Cooper is a guy that comes to my mind immediately. He was very good early in his career, very good in college, and then struggled a and being good again. Like Amari Cooper is a guy that comes to my mind immediately. He was very good early in his career, very good in college, and then struggled a little bit with Oakland. Then as soon as he went to Dallas, he was very good again.

I'm interested to know track record of players who like, the best way to say this, you got Camara potentially with no breeze. You've got, I don't know, a possibility that Ben Roethlisberger isn't on the Steelers next year. Maybe he retires. I don't know. He's getting up there. Track record of

really good players that no longer are playing with great quarterbacks. As far as Kamara? As far as Kamara, as far as any guy playing with an aging quarterback, you know, Peyton Manning really was not good when he retired. He had a horrible final season.

Like Beckham. Beckham goes from having one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time to Baker Mayfield. No, I'm just kidding. But no, I don't know. I'm trying to say, like, how does the dynasty value for Michael Thomas? How is Michael Thomas' value affected by the possibility that Drew Brees isn't playing?

And before you say, well, look what he did with Teddy Bridgewater, I feel very strongly that if he had played a full season with Teddy Bridgewater, he would not have put up the same numbers, even though the pace was very similar to what he did for the full season because it was one game against Tampa Bay where he went berserk. And other than that, he was great, but he wasn't the same as what he was with Drew Brees. So I don't know how you consider that in Dynasty Leagues and if that's a big factor for you.

That's Thomas who had one game where he went berserk? He was really good with Bridgewater, but it was boosted by the one game against the Bucs. I think the stat was he played six games with Bridgewater. He had 100 yards in two of them. He played 10 games with Breeze. He had 100 yards in eight or nine of them. So even though the pace was very similar with Bridgewater, with Breeze,

I believe that if they had kept playing out the season and he didn't just have that one big game against Tampa Bay, it would have been pretty different. Still great, but pretty different. Does that make sense? Yep. I was just going to say Kamara was a lot almost better as a receiver with Bridgewater, which I thought was really interesting.

He had, I think, three, like eight catch games. Or maybe it's four i'm i'm actually looking at his game log now no the last one came after breeze came back but uh but the overall question is how much do you downgrade a wide receiver and you know i think it's i think it's situation specific i think you're right about thomas and i think for camara i'm less concerned recognizing that sean payton's system still operated very similarly with the high target rate to running backs, and maybe that was just

Bridgewater, who's similar with the underneath throwing, and maybe it wouldn't be the same with a guy like Jameis or like with Taysom, but the fact that Camara was getting so many targets still, I felt like he could still be productive in a way that... I do agree with your take that you extrapolate Thomas to a full season.

He's not the same guy, but I actually think that Kamara might be. All right. So this question on Apple Podcasts now, Ken B7891, Dynasty help needed. Hey, Tommy, Cordell, Tommy, and Ben. Oh, Terry, Cordell, Tommy, and Ben. That's Steelers QB.

Yeah, what's going on? This is a very strange theme today. Should I draft a running back or a wide receiver with the third pick of my rookie draft? I have Miles Sanders, Austin Eckler, Mostert, and David Johnson. I have Devontae Adams, Amari Cooper, Robert Woods, and Emmanuel Sanders. Wow, it's really good. Who would you take, a running back or a wide receiver?

I would take a running back. Which one? As soon as it goes Edwards, Hilaire, and Taylor, who are you take a running back or a wide receiver i would take a running back which one well it goes edwards to larry and taylor who are you taking dobbins for the long-term appeal that he has in baltimore that's my pick too now if you're just dead set on taking a receiver trade back a couple of spots okay this is from neil j love the. I'm relatively new to fantasy football, but your show helped me catch up quickly. Question. Should I trade Calvin Ridley for Raheem Mostert and Jerry Judy in a half PBR Dynasty League? I lack running back depth, so give up Ridley, get Mostert and Jerry Judy. No. I wouldn't either.

All right. This is from The Dread Pirate Roberts from a town west of St. Denise. St. Dennis? Don't know. Seattle. Great. Sure. West of everything. Hey, Troy, Abed, Jeff, and Annie. Another underrated show. I haven't even

watched it. It's a good one. I'm the commissioner of a 14-team PPR league where you can keep one player from the previous year in the round they were drafted, provided you drafted them and kept them on your roster the entire season. You can keep the same player multiple years in a row, but the round you take them goes up exponentially. This year, I'm picking 14th in my PPR draft.

I can keep McCaffrey in the first or Kittle in the ninth, and I'm at an absolute loss. This is McCaffrey in the first or Kittle in the ninth. And I'm at an absolute loss. This is McCaffrey's last year of keeper eligibility. Woo. McCaffrey in the first, 14th overall, or Kittle in the ninth. McCaffrey. Yep. Yeah, that's probably right.

It's just so hard to lose with him. He's so good's probably right. It's just so hard to lose with him. He's so good. All right. And Coach Papo says, would love to hear more auction talk. I'd like to hear your ideal auction teams based on a $200 budget. So here's what we're going to do.

Even better, Coach. We're going to do an episode pretty soon. we're just going to do an auction on the air just going to record it and you'll listen to it and hopefully you'll love it we've done it for baseball it's been really fun the listeners really liked it so we're going to do it for football and can't wait alright Ben

big birthday plans no actually not really the golf was the big plans I'm sure my kids and wife have All right, Ben. Big birthday plans? No, actually, not really. The golf was the big plans. I'm sure my kids and wife have plenty more ways to spoil me. Mexican food? I'm feeling like maybe you should get Mexican food. Why?

That's what I do on my birthday, typically. I mean, maybe. We've done that before, too. I just was wondering. It's festive food. It's celebratory food. It is. It's good for that. That's true. All right, maybe. We've done that before too. I just was wondering. It's festive food. It's celebratory food. It is. It's good for that.

That's true. All right, guys. Have a great weekend, everybody. Thanks so much for listening. Really appreciate it. It's been a fun week. We've got five episodes for you next week. Talk to you on Monday. For Dave, for Heath, and Ben, I'm Adam.

See ya.