Fantasy Football Today - Fantasy Valentines! Who We Love and Who We're Breaking Up With (02/13 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: February 13, 2025

Who do we love in Fantasy this season? It's early, but we are here to reveal our Fantasy Valentines beginning with Heath's (5:00) as he gives some love to Chuba Hubbard, Jauan Jennings and Trey McBride. We analyze Jennings and what he did with and without George Kittle on the field in 2024 ... Jamey (14:30) and Dave (23:30) give their Fantasy Valentines. Jamey talks about two sophomore wide receivers and who he is drafting in the 49ers backfield. Meanwhile, Dave is not giving up on DJ Moore and he is also very excited about Jaxon Smith-Njigba and Malik Nabers ... Who are Adam's Fantasy Valentines (30:30)? He already broke up with one of them! ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports What a play! Can you believe this? No I can't It's time to dominate your fantasy league Off to the races and he stays at his feet This is gonna go the distance Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath

Yeah, I am back to talk about Valentine's Day I am spreading the love today. I'm hoping that Dave, Jamie and Heath are also feeling the love. It is Valentine's Day, Eve Thursday, February 13th. And we're giving you our fantasy Valentine's players that we love right now in the early process. I'm also going to go through some news and notes as the Saints have a new head coach, Debo Samuel. We haven't even talked about Debo Samuel and the trades, although it may have been mentioned on yesterday's show

and the jet situation and all that, but we'll get into that. And we talked about it. Like all of it, I listened to a little bit of the show. I didn't get through the whole thing. All right, so we won't talk about that so much, but did you get to Kellen Moore? Did that come out before the show?

Yep. And how'd that conversation go? It was more centered around Camaro, but it was discussed. All right, great. You can go more if you want. No, that's all right. So we'll get into Valentine's. We welcome you to Fantasy Football Today,

presented by Bet MGM, the sports book born in Vegas. I had a note here, ask Jamie how much of the news and notes he got to yesterday. And I totally skipped over that until just now. I'd realized that in the middle of my intro. But thank you guys for filling in yesterday. I do appreciate it. So anyway, but thank you guys for filling in yesterday. I do appreciate it. So anyway, Dave, you'd be proud of me.

I would, really? I wanna brag about something here. Ate six slices of pizza at dinner last night with a little bit of two appetizers and dessert. What was the dessert? What's it called? Tartufo or something, you know? Oh, all right.

Not your Greek yogurt with warmed fruit. No, I was out to dinner. All right. All right. That's pretty bold of you. Yeah. I am mildly impressed. What's up, Heath?

I'm going to try really hard to get into a better mood. It's grumpy Heath on Valentine's day. Eve. I, uh, received a, uh, it's been a lot of things, you know, you ever have just like a streak of like people just keep kind of irritating you and things keep irritating you and the straw that broke the Campbell's back was my HOA sending me a letter telling me that my mailbox was too short. I moved into this house 10 years ago.

It had the same mailbox. I've lived here for 10 years. The mailbox has not shrunk and now it's too short. So I have to go buy a new mailbox. You know, shrinking mailbox has happened to a lot of houses, Heath. Yeah. I think it's probably the mailman who's, who's complaining. I'm really tempted to just like pull it out of the ground a little bit.

Yeah. And like, so the concrete shows, but how much taller does it need to be? Um, I'm, I'm trying to figure that out because oddly enough, there's no guidance on that in the letter. Hmm. You could give it some growth hormones. Yes.

You should just tell them that you fixed it and then don't fix it. I was thinking about just putting a pole on top of it. Insert male below. Well, I'm sorry, Heath. I hope you should put like a ruler next to it just to like make a point. I thought I was thinking about just walking around the neighborhood for the day with a yardstick measuring everyone's mailbox and making notes on a piece of paper, but I'm not actually doing this.

Then you're doing this job for them. I don't care at all. I just get irritable about it. That's very strange. Yeah. I've never heard of this complaint before, but, uh, look, talking about players you love might help. So, uh, we will get into some fantasy Valentine's.

Yeah, there we go. Um, actually, you know what? I was going to have Jamie go first, but I think Heath, you should go first with your fantasy Valentine's. Yeah. Um, you know, I thought I threw in a little bit of from last year to this year, but my three fantasy Valentine's are Chuba Hubbard, Juan Jennings, and Trey McBride. And Hubbard has just was the guy last year that we tried to replace with Jonathan Brooks.

I don't know how many times this off season we said, uh, Hubbard's going to be great until Jonathan Brooks comes off a pup and then Jonathan Brooks is going to be even better. Well, Hubbard's going to be great until Jonathan Brooks comes off of PUP and then Jonathan Brooks is going to be even better. Well, Hubbard was better than we could have imagined. And when I went through my 2025 projections process, something we talked about quite a bit yesterday, I was surprised that Hubbard came out as a top 12 running back for the 2025 season. That's with me not expecting Brooks is going to play and really with what he did last year and what he's done the last two years when

he's been given the opportunity. I don't know why we would expect anything else. I did draft him in our mock draft, maybe round four or five as my number one running back. Absolutely loved that value. Number two, McBride. He's partially my Valentine because he was so good last year and was my most drafted tight end, but also because again, I, I think you can make a really good case for Brock Bowers as a top 12 pick and Trey McBride as a top 18 pick, just with difference in value that they're going to provide over the rest of the position, which is absolutely hot garbage. And I would expect that McBride is actually going to be a little bit better on a per game

basis next year than he was last past year because the touchdown luck, and I know he didn't score that many touchdowns the year before either, he may not ever be a 10 touchdown guy, but he's certainly not going to be as unlucky as he was last year in terms of touchdowns I wouldn't be surprised if he scores five or six Which gets him into that 16 fantasy point per game range And joan jennings is currently my favorite 49ers wide receiver in drafts Jennings is really interesting and and he went in round seven in the mock draft from a couple of days ago in round seven in the mock draft from a couple of days ago. And he went after Brandon Iuke, went after Jerry Judy,

went after Ridley, went after Cooper Cup. So he got right in the middle of round seven, Jawan Jennings being drafted. And things looked great for Jawan Jennings. I mean, he looked like a guy that was just stepping in. I remember week three, either deep, I think Debo was out in week three. He had 11 catches for 175 yards and three touchdowns

on 12 targets at the Rams. Kittle was also out. Kittle was also out, okay. Down the stretch though, I mean, Jennings really was, I think, pretty disappointing down the stretch. Look at, I'll take out week 18. He had seven catches for 52 yards on 10 targets in a half. Then he got ejected, but that was with Josh Dobbs

But you look at like let's say weeks 12 through weeks 17. He was over 67 yards only once in those six games He was over 56 yards only twice in those six games. I wonder what happened there Because like before that he had 93 yards 91 yards. I don't know, he kind of slumped down the stretch. I just remember being really, really high on him. And then nine points, 8.6 points, 28 points, 5.1, 9.1, 13.7. And the 13.7 actually came, like some of it was late in that week 17 game against Detroit, which decided a lot of championships,

when Purdy got hurt on the last drive. And then Josh Dobbs came in, Josh Dobbs loves Joann Jennings, I'm just saying there wasn't a great Purdy to Joann Jennings chemistry. I drafted him yesterday, so I obviously like him, but I don't know what happened there at the end Heath. Sorry, that was a ramble. No, I just think that like he played at least 70% of the snaps in nine games last year.

In those nine games, he had 56 catches for 694 yards and six touchdowns. That's like a top five fantasy wide receiver. Yeah. It sounds good when you put it that way, but you've got to understand that like he had 46.5 PPR points in one game without kettle and without Debo. And so that makes me a little bit nervous. He averaged 12.2 PPR points per game after that game, all the way through the end of the season.

And I wonder if that's the average that's probably, um, more representative of expectations. I don't know what your per game PPR averages in your projections, Heath, but I wonder if 12.2 is kind of what we should think about for, for Joanne James, maybe a little bit better than that because he'll be a full-time player moving forward. But I don't know if he's, I think we really have to just kind of, well, I don't want to say throw out that game against.

I think if we're going to throw out his best game, we should probably throw out his worst. Like if what I would like, I'm not going to get an amazing average. I mean, the fantasy points per game average of every player, if you throw out their best game. But it's okay. But here's the thing. It's one thing to throw out their best game. So nothing to throw out their best game if it happened to come without Devo Samuel and George Kittle. Well, I think there's a good chance he's going to be playing the beginning of next year without Devo Samuel and Brandon. Yeah. And that I think there's a good chance he's gonna be playing the beginning of next year without Debo, Samuel and Brandon Iuke.

Yeah, and that's the thing like, does Iuke, what does Iuke do to Jawan Jennings, right? Because that game, that week three game, that huge game that he had 46.5 fantasy points, Iuke did play in that game. By the way, he also, so he had four big games. He had four games with 90 or more yards and three of those games, he had at least one touchdown.

And I guess I'd say he had three like huge games. Kittle missed two of those huge games for Jennings. Debo missed one of them. Iuk missed two of them. So that's always the thing with San Francisco is we're always sitting here calculating with without these guys and the guys get hurt every year. And Debo is going to probably get traded. Also, McCaffrey didn't play all but three games last year,

two and a half games. So yeah, I don't wanna just say, oh, we're taking away his best game. I think we're recognizing that Joann Jennings did a lot of his best work without George Kittle on the field. I think that's kind of the point here. Well, I think just looking at the situation here,

you're gonna get one of the top receivers on one of the top offenses at a pretty good cost. And we talked about this yesterday that, the way that this draft unfolded, it was Brandon and Ayuk at the start of round seven, Jennings in the middle of round seven, and then Ricky Pearsall went in round nine. And so Heath and I think both agreed on this. I don't know where Dave came out on it, but like we both said that we're going to get a lot or try and get a lot of Jennings and Pierce all while

other people are maybe chasing Iuk still because of hopefully he's back ready to go but just looking at you know, injury receiver and just the cost of these other guys where they should end up. Agreed. And Kittle was in round five. So he went for that's going to be your first 49ers pass catcher to go off the board. Alright, so he has Chubauba Hubbard who went in round four, Joanne Jennings went in

round seven, we just mentioned and Trey McBride who went in round two, three picks after Brock Bowers. All right, Heath. Uh, I also know another thing you love. That would be FFT dynasty. New episode tomorrow. Give us a little promo. Yeah.

We, uh, let's talk about what we talked about earlier this week. We had Dan on, on Tuesday we discussed, um, some rankings risers and followers. We've got Dynasty rankings coming up in the future. We've got a lot of emails, so keep sending your emails in cause there's another mail bag coming very soon and we will get a rookie mock. We've got some, uh, I've got some feelers out to some other dynasty analysts around the industry to talk about this rookie class for the first time on the show. Excellent. All right, we're going to take a break.

We're going to come back and talk about some young wide receivers on Jamie's Valentine's Day list. And I've already broken up with one of my Valentine's. We'll find out about that and also hear from Dave. And we'll be right back on Fantasy Football today. Are you guys doing anything for Valentine's Day? Buying flowers? It's pretty much not a holiday for me.

Oh, look, what a lucky wife you've got. Ha ha ha. I guess I might get her something, but I don't know. Jamie said no. This is the reason you think his wife's unlucky? Ha ha ha. That's not nice. Oh man, I don't like Grumpy Heath. I'm a very good husband. Jamie said no. This is the reason you think his wife's unlucky? That's not nice. Oh man, I don't like grumpy Heath. I'm a very good husband.

Yeah, I don't know. Valentine's. No, I- Thank you. I agree with you. I mean, we're gonna go out to a nice dinner. You are? She's gonna watch me drink tequila

and eat her bone in ribeye. What a lucky lady. All right, Jamie, who's on your Valentine's Day list? Well, I guess you teased the young receiver. So, Romo Dunze and Jalen McMillan would be the two young receivers. I also have a young running back in Isaac Arendo, but we'll start with Odunze

because it's easy to just make the case for him, assumingenan Allen's gone but even if Allen's there you know the the opportunity that he has now year two with Ben Johnson now the play caller hopefully better offensive line a better Caleb Williams. I was very excited to draft him yesterday I think it was in round seven if I'm not mistaken for for Odunze. So let me confirm that. Yeah, round six. Just before all those wide receivers, IU, Kenjuti, Ridley, Cup, Jennings, you took Odunze. Yeah. So just looking at the

upside again, you know, was drafted to be a premier talent, possibly their heir apparent to the number one receiver as soon as DJ Moore maybe hangs things up or moves on, but should be hopefully a one-and-one-A situation to Moore and Odunze. And, you know, if you're just looking at the DJ Moore maybe hangs things up or moves on but should be hopefully a one in one a situation of more in Odunze and you know if you're just looking at the you know Lions offense going to Chicago hopefully he could be the Jameson Williams I think will be a little bit different

he's not as fast he's not as explosive but he has a chance to be you know an explosive type of player and so just a huge opportunity in front of him especially again if Keenan Allen is gone. Then you look at Jalen McMillan as we saw at the end of last season with no Chris Godwin has an opportunity. I guess I like the Washington receivers, but McMillan and his role when Godwin was not there and he was finally healthy just became a touchdown magnet for Baker Mayfield. And I think there's more that he has to offer as well.

So we have a situation here. If Godwin's back, not going to be as excited about McMillan, but if Godwin's gone, this guy's got the potential to be a top 30 receiver going into the year and maybe a top 20 receiver by the end of the season, especially Mike Evans, who will be 32, misses time again. That was the opportunity that I thought initially when we saw that week seven situation when both Evans and Godwin went down. I thought, okay, this is a time that Jalen McMillan could step up. He suffered injuries himself, but he closed the season as an absolute monster, and hopefully that carries over to year two. And then in terms of Isaac Arendo, I'm curious to see how the 49ers will treat their entire

backfield. They almost always draft a guy on day three to add to their, to supplement their backfield there. But Isaac Arendo, I think, in my opinion, will be better than Jordan Mason Jordan Mason assuming Mason comes back he's a restricted free agent but the guys behind McCaffrey I think Adam you did this in the draft you drafted Jordan Mason and Arendo it's something I've done quite a bit in our mock draft so far just taking a chance on both those guys we'll see how it shakes out now hopefully get a little bit more clarity by the time we get to August but I think

Arendo will end up being the backup to McCaffrey and for what we saw this year from McCaffrey and the spurts for Garendo an explosive running back whole field a little bit more in the passing game than he showed last year. But I think he could be a potential league winner again, if McCaffrey misses any time. What rounds did they go in Mason and Garendo Mason went in round nine Garendo in round 11. That's pretty. That's good.

Thank you. Easy dart throws late in the draft for high upside running backs behind one of the most interesting players that we'll take this year. And Garendo averaged, he had four games this year where he played 50% of the snaps or more. He averaged almost 18 PPR points in those games at three and a half targets per game. Yeah. The only downside to Garendo and dynasty leaguers cover your ears. He's 25. So short of that, he's somebody that absolutely fits into that offense and could be pretty good if something were to happen to McCaffrey. They did not throw to Jordan Mason. He never had more than three targets in a game. Usually had one or two. Garendo they were more willing to throw to. By the way, McCaffrey, man. Third pick of the second round, Thomas Schaefer. Stealer of the draft. Well done. I just wrote an article. Best pick

of the draft. It was McCaffrey. I want to talk about Odunze here. And I think I gave this stat about Odunze here and I think I gave this stat probably when they hired Ben Johnson. Yards per route run. Do we kind of feel, is that the best stat to evaluate wide receivers? You don't really see great, if you look at the leaders in yards per route run, I mean it is the studs. Does anybody feel that way? Like if you were going to look at one stat for wide receivers, yards per out run might be the, is the one I would say, I would say if I were going to be one, it would be that one. You are comparing full time players to full time players. I would say that's fine.

Yeah. Yeah. I always try to do like 50 or more targets for a season. So I'd probably want more than that. Fair. Over the last 10 seasons, Roma Dunze, he averaged 1.18 yards per route run. That ranks 84th out of 96 rookies who had 50 or more targets over the last 10 seasons. He was horrible on a per route basis. None of the players who averaged less than 1.8 yards per route run ended up being great.

The only one that was even close was Sterling Shepherd. Now, Quentin Johnston is also on this list. I guess the future we don't know, but I mean, he was awful on a per route basis. The reason I don't care is because Keenan Allen and DJ Moore both had the lowest yards per route run of their careers. So that's how bad the Bears passing game was. So I had to think that they all need perspective.

They had really bad years in terms of yards per route run. Career low is for DJ Moore and Keenan Allen. Obviously career low for Romo Dunze, but he was horrible. But how willing are you guys to overlook what was honestly a pretty bad rookie year for Romo Dunze? Very willing to overlook it. Round five willing? No, but I don't have to take him that early. If somebody does, then let them have him. Okay. But I mean, I'm just trying to get a beat on, on what would be the

round that you'd get him. Well, I mean, I took him around six, just looking at the receivers that were in front of him and behind him. So it was after, uh, Keon Coleman, which you can make a case was probably too soon. Jayden Reed, Devante Adams. Those are the guys that went in around six and I took them ahead of IU. I took Judy again. So they'll probably be somewhat comparable.

Calvin Ridley, like this is the range if you're taking somebody based on upside, I think you have to sort of pull the trigger. It's funny you bring up Jayden Reed because Jayden Reed is a stud in yards per out run. I just want to, over the last two years, Jayden Reed's career, and it's a little bit of a tangent, Jayden Reed's career, let me read over the last two years, the top Reed's career, and this is a little bit of a tangent, Jayden Reed's career, let me read over the last two years,

the top 15 players in yards per outrun, wide receivers with 50 or more targets over the last two years. I mean, you can forget about its targets. It's just, it's a lot, it's, this is the list. Nico Collins, Pooka Nakua, Tyreek Hill, AJ Brown, Jefferson, Iyuk, Lamb, Rashi Rice, St. Brown, Brian Thomas, Lad McConkey,

Mike Evans, Jamar Chase, Malik Neighbors. Jayden Reed is 15. He's right behind that list. And then it's like Jayden Reed, Drake London, George Pickens, Chris Olave, Jaylen Waddle. So it's weird. Jayden Reed is the beginning of the non-studs. The 14 guys ahead of him in yards per route run

over the last two seasons are all studs basically. If we're going to put what you say, Roma doons days was last year. 1.18. Okay. Like, like Nico Collins had a really bad little worse than Jackson Smith and Jacob and Nico Collins was like 1.21 or something like that, but it took him until year three to break out. So this is not a death sentence, but it's bad.

Like, I think it's important when you're looking at stats like that to say who was, not necessarily who was worse, but who was in his range. Like, however you wanted to find the range within 10 points, within 15 points, because if you've got Nico Collins and Jackson Smith and Jigway in the neighborhood, then that makes it sound a lot better than no one was good who was worse than him. I don't know. See, I don't even know the answer to this, but Jackson Smith and Jigway in the neighborhood, then that makes it sound a lot better than no one was good who was worse than him. I don't know. See, I don't even know the answer to this, but Jackson Smith and Jigway average 1.32 yards per route

run as a rookie, and Romo Dunze average 1.18. Is that in the neighborhood or is that a big gap? I'm not really sure. It depends, what does the HOA say? I would say it's definitely, it depends, like who's measuring, but I would say it's 100% in the neighborhood. Yes. All right, we're going to get some more Valentine's. We had Odunze, McMillan and Isaac Arendo. If you haven't signed up for BedMGM yet, now's the time to do

this with the promo code fantasy, and you're going to get up to a $1,500 first bed offer on your first wager with BedMGM. So here's how it works. You download the bet MGM app and you sign up and use the bonus code fantasy deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game and you'll receive up to $1,500 in bonus bets. If your bet loses, just make sure that you use the bonus code fantasy when you sign up. All right, Dave, who are you having tequila and steak with in fantasy football? Oh, how nice. Malik neighbors headlines the list for me along with the aforementioned Jackson Smith and Jigba and DJ Moore. And we talked a lot about DJ Moore yesterday, Adam.

You weren't around. We can rehash that if you want to. But I'm optimistic that he can keep up the type of volume that we saw last season, hopefully with a better A-dot, and that'll just lead to better fantasy production. As much fun and as much upside as a doonsay has, I still think DJ Moore should go ahead of him in drafts at this point. Nevers led the NFL in targets per game last year, and something that stood out to me was that only 19% of his targets were uncatchable. You think about how terrible those quarterbacks were. And yet still not even 20% of the targets were

uncatchable. That's a little startling. And that might make people say, well, so he can't be better than he was last year. Well, who cares? He averaged 18.2 PPR points per game last year. The only thing that could slow him down is if the giants make a huge splash at wide receiver and they don't do buck guess at quarterback and they bring back the veto and whatever. And that just waters down the type of targets per game that my league neighbors gets. I think neighbors is a first round pick. I don't think that that's crazy. Um, might even be top half of first round good in full PPR. And then with JSN, he averaged 1.8 yards per route run. Adam, I thought you'd be interested in that, but more importantly, from week eight on, once DK Metcalf got hurt, 17.7 PPR points per game. In eight games when he saw at least seven targets and DK Metcalf

played, so those two qualifiers, seven targets or more more DK Mecalf on the field, he averaged 18 PPR points per game in 10 games with seven or more targets, regardless of who was on the field. Jackson Smith and Jigba averaged 19.3 PPR points per game. I think we're getting an offensive coordinator upgrade with Clint Kubiak going to Seattle. He'll be in charge. I don't love that it's still going to be Gino Smith at quarterback, but I do think that Tyler Lockett's days are numbered there. I'm hoping they do not make a big splash, a wide receiver to replace Tyler Lockett. And JSN finally ascends to being the number one guy in the Seattle passing game. He will most likely open up in my rankings as a top 15 receiver in full PPR, significantly lower in half and non PPR, but somebody who could absolutely crush week after

week. Smith and Jacob, it was only wide receiver 22 per game, which was surprising in the, I want to say eight games. Uh, yeah. Eight games after DK Metcalfe returned. Last eight games of the season. He had two horrible games to finish the year where he scored 6.2 fantasy points at Chicago and 5.3 fantasy points at the Rams. Before that, he was probably a top five receiver. That's like how bad those two games were.

In fact, I'll tell you right now. Yeah, so JSN, you took him as wide receiver 20, 41st overall in the draft that we just did. Love that. Yep. Yeah, so. I almost took him in round three. I was thrilled when he made it back to me in round four.

Okay, he was like, he was like ninth per game from weeks 11 through 16. And then he stunk in the last two games. I'm not sure what that was all about. DJ more went four picks after JSN. Who do you guys like better? JSN or DJ more Jason. Uh, DJ more.

I, I am, I'm a little bit concerned by this run, run the ball or run the damble, I may have said, um, mentality in Seattle. Like I think we're going to get a significant, significant reduction until it will pass attempts for them next year. I still like JS like round four is wide receiver 20 love it. Um, but I, I'm not, I'm not sure. It might be more efficiency from JSN, but a lot less volume. Yeah.

It's interesting because I think he, do you remember Jamie, if he made any top 12s? He was one of those guys that was right there for me. I can't remember if he was 12th or not. I think he just missed the cut. I'll check. But I think probably, you know, probably some people considered him at least for a top 12 wide receiver just right at the end. And to be fair for Heath, he was 13. Seattle was fifth in pass rate last year, 63%. First year without Pete Carroll there. I don't think it was ever that high in any of the years Pete Carroll coached the Seahawks. Yeah. I'll probably talk about this a thousand times between now and August, but 78% slot rate,

77%, something like that. Yeah, I don't think that's changing. Ludicrous. I don't know that we've had a top 12. No, it doesn't happen. It's just too high. So that would probably cap us upside, but let's get them outside a little bit more.

Even if it were like 70%, that'd be great. All right, so for Jamie, or for Heath, we started with Heath. Chuba Hubbard, Juwan Jen Jennings and Trey McBride. For Jamie, Odunze, McMillan and Garendo. For Dave, Malik Neighbors, Jackson Smith and Jigba and DJ Moore. JSN did not make anybody's top 12.

Okay, he was the guy who just missed the cut for me. But might have to reevaluate, I don't know. All right, so who are my Valentines? I already broke up with one of them. Find out who after this on FFT. Welcome back. You know, someone asked me, what are you doing this weekend?

I was like, I don't have any football to watch. What the heck am I gonna do? It's very strange. Seriously. So sad. Are there other football leagues that are starting? Yeah, UFL will start up soon. Just watch SEC basketball, you'll be happy.

Oh yeah, that's not going to happen. I started watching Love on Netflix. It's like five years old. It's pretty good. Anybody seen that one? No. Love? Judd Apatow?

It's good. What's going on guys? I missed you. Just so again, we're clear. You're watching a show called Love and you still haven't seen the Sopranos. I was thinking of starting. It's such a commitment. It's such a commitment.

Like that's months probably. That'd be worth it for you. Yeah, I figured. How's everybody doing? How's everybody feeling? No one wants to talk. No one wants to just, we never talk anymore. I think I pretty much ate my feelings earlier on the show.

I think somebody else's turn. All right, I have a question, Heath. Which holiday are you more likely to celebrate? Valentine's Day or Halloween? See, I think you get, right, neither one of them are actually a holiday, but you get my Halloween thing wrong. Like I still celebrate.

I just don't pass out candy. It's very selfish celebrating I'd say. I know, cause I don't want to celebrate at all. But my wife asks me to dress up and go to a party. I do that. And I've passed, like we've passed out candy before, but it's just, it's a terrible holiday. You know what you should do with the candy?

You should put it in your mailbox. See if anybody even sees it. That'd be a great, perfect tight for the kids. Cause it's so short. All right. My Valentine's Josh Jacobs and Chase Brown. And I had Romeo Dobbs on here, but I broke up with him. But let's start with the running backs.

Jacobs went in the second round. I just feel like he's pretty safe. He was the number six running back per game last year. He only had 36 catches, but the Packers were actually the third most run heavy team. They had the third fewest pass attempts in the NFL last year ahead of Philadelphia and Baltimore. So I think they'll probably throw more. Either way, I mean, he's just he's just their guy. I like Marshawn Lloyd, but it was a nothing rookie season. He doesn't really seem to have any major competition. So I think that you're going to talk about a top 10 offense. They're usually around 10th in scoring. They've had only one year where they've been elite in scoring. They were eighth this past year and you've got a workhorse running back. He's pretty safe and he was RB 821st overall

on yesterday's draft. So Josh Jacobs is a Valentine of mine. I really like the Packers offense and there's a lot of opportunity, which is why I originally had Romeo Dobbs, but then I broke up with him. But go to Chase Brown here. I mean, the Cincinnati offense in the first eight games of the year before Zach Moss got hurt, they averaged 23.3 points per game. That was 12th best in that stretch. They were 13th in yards per play. After Zach Moss got hurt and Chase Brown took over, I'm not saying this is the only reason, but after the Zach Moss injury, they averaged 30.5 points per game. They averaged a full touchdown more per game on offense, not including any defensive

scores. And they averaged six yards per play, which was sixth best in the NFL. They were so much better as soon as they made Chase Brown, their lead running back from weeks nine through 17. He was RB five per game and half PPR, RB three per game in full PPR. And that was with only six rushing touchdowns or only three rushing touchdowns on pace for six rushing touchdowns,

but also on pace for six receiving touchdowns, which is a little bit fluky. But anyway, I just, you know how I felt about Joe Mixon. I never thought he was all that great with the Bengals, but he always finished as a top 12 running back per game. And I don't see any reason why Chase Brown wouldn't. He went in the third round of this draft. I consider taking him in the first round.

I think that's probably a mistake. They'll add somebody, but I don't think they need to add anybody significant. He's proven himself. And then there's Romeo Dobbs. And the point here is that I'm gonna fall in love with some Packers pass catcher. I thought it'd be Dobbs, but because he goes kind of late,

like obviously I'd rather have Jayden Reed, but he goes late. Romeo Dobbs rounded he go in, I think like the 12th round in the draft we did yesterday. Yeah, I took him with the seventh pick in the 12th round. I think he's fine there, but just looking at his game log, looking at his stats, he's just not that good. It's just that simple. I think Wicks is probably better if he could catch the ball. I think, I just don't see a ceiling for dogs.

Wicks is probably better if he could catch the ball. Yeah. If he, if he, I like Wicks is explosive. Dobbs is not. Somebody's, you know, my, my Valentine might be Tucker Kraft. I've talked about this, like his, his per route dad is great, but some, I always love Christian Watson. I don't expect much of anything from Watson next year. Someone's going to step up Dobbs. I think Dobbs has a ceiling as like someone's going to step up and take the 55 targets that like, there's just that they're not Matt LaFleur hates the idea of a number one wide receiver. And if they go, if they actually have a number one wide receiver this year, it'll be because they go get one. Then I'll love that guy. Yeah. But what if

it's the Monta Adams? The real interesting question with Josh Jacobs. Um, and I think it's directly relates to Jordan love and maybe the Packers pass catchers two years ago when Jordan love was so good for fantasy, they scored 42 touchdowns, 32 of them in the air, 10 of them on the ground. Last year, they actually scored 51 touchdowns. Jordan love was worse because they had 23 rushing touchdowns. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Like just the way that they, they, and Jacob Gibbs talked about this a lot going into last year, they'd been a very pass heavy team in the red zone and really just kind of flipped that. Yeah. Well, they had no passing game. Yeah. So, I mean, they, they, they definitely have the same players. I wonder how much though, how much did Jordan loves injuries play a role in this, you know,

once, once he got hurt and the run game got going and they were having success winning that way, like did they need to switch back to maybe a little bit more balanced or a little bit more pass heavy situation? Like at what point was he finally back to himself? And then just was Josh Jacobs rolling enough that they didn't need to change anything. Wasn't it? Jacob said, wasn't Jacobs that just said they need to get a number one wide receiver? Yes.

Yeah. He made the joke yesterday that he's the new general manager. Right. Good joke. I think the whole reason why they got Josh Jacobs was so that they could run it in the red zone. Yeah. Well, look, here's the thing about Jacobs.

I mean, based on last year, you could make the case that he's a first round pick, but I wouldn't do that. I just think he's a very solid, safe second round pick. He went late in the second round. I think that's a perfect spot for him. I don't see a lot of downside with Josh Jacobs. I see your point Heath about not liking

a Packers wide receiver, but the cost is pretty low. Dobbs in the 12th round, Reid went in the sixth round, which I think might be early, but I know he's good. They just have to get him on the field more. You know, he needs to play more. I would like for them to commit to maybe playing him on the outside a little bit more. So he's interesting. I think Wicks could, you know, Wicks and round,

Wicks went before Dobbs, I think, whatever. I just think we had this talk with the Chiefs a couple of years ago and yard per route run data. And how useful is that if they just only play the guys when they're going to throw the ball to them or if they only use them on the three or four types of routes that they're actually good at and they're not full-time players I think if Jaden Reid played 85% of the snaps 90% of the snaps he probably wouldn't be on the yards per route run leaderboard I don't know I

mean he's pretty he's very talented you, and he makes big plays, but it's possible. It's not like he, what does he play? Usually? I don't even, what's his snap? I think he's like in that 55 to 65% range. I'll look it up right now. All right. Um, yeah, I'm not saying he'd keep up that kind of efficiency, but he's obviously an

explosive player. All right. Yeah, I'm not saying he'd keep up that kind of efficiency, but he's obviously an explosive player in his three playoff games. Last two years, 48%, 61%, 55%. No, I'm way up. No, I'm looking at the run. He had a couple of seventies last year, but a lot of fifties. Okay. So what about Tucker craft then can be no beef with Tucker craft. He was second among 31 tight ends with 50 or more targets and yards per target. 9.1 yards after the catch per reception. That's insane with a low A dot, but still a very good. And yeah, he's a guy that I think is a, if tight ends so bad, if you don't get one of the top two, I'm, if I were drafting right now, my strategy would probably

be just wait for Tucker craft. You sound like me from Wednesday show. It's exactly what I ended up doing, uh, in, in the draft that we just finished earlier this week, five games for Jane Reed, where he played 70% of the snaps or more, another three games after that with 60% or more. Okay. Uh, I would say Tucker craft, if you can get him in the double digit rounds and you're happy with 10 fantasy points per game, that's like, I, yeah, that's

the starting time and he's right. Do we have any reason to believe that his voice, like he's not probably going to be somebody that we draft him late and he turns into a top five tight end, I wouldn't think. Yeah. Unless he just has like eight touchdowns or something, but yeah. Well, he had seven last year, so it's going to need more than that. Yeah, some of it's based on coach speak right now and how immediately after the season, LaFleur was talking him up as somebody who could be their version of Kittle or Kelsey in the offense.

Talking him up as somebody who could be their version of Kittle or Kelsey in the offense. That seems like a stretch. But I think he could do a little bit better than 10 points per game. Maybe like 10 and a half. Maybe touches 11. Because he's got a role that should be on the field all the time. I think he's their number one tight end. I think he proved that last year and, um, just, you know, he was pretty close to it last year, 9.6. But like yesterday's draft, we got George Kittle in round five and the Joku in round eight.

Yeah. I mean, I'd rather have those guys. Sure. Right. But if I miss on them, the whole point, the whole point isn't to target Tucker Kraft, he's the fallback option. He's this year's Jake Ferguson. Yeah. Jake Ferguson. Hopefully not with Jake Ferguson's.

By the way, Kittle, I mean, with with the state of the 49ers wide receivers, are you coming off a tourney and Debo on his way out? Maybe Kittle should not maybe Kittle should be around three pick or something like that. I don't know that he'll ever get that high, but yeah. How many tight ends had more than eight touchdown catches last year? Andrews and Kittle.

Half right, Andrews and Andrews, just just Mark Andrews, Kittle had eight, John who had eight, Andrews had eleven and that was it. All right, that well anything else guys? I think we covered the Packers. Yeah, I would say so. Do you guys want to hear some Devonte Adams stats?

They're very Valentine's heavy though. Love, Romeo, craft. Crafty. People yeah crafting like Valentine's day things. I was thinking more of cheese being a delicious romantic food. Crafty. People, yeah, crafting like Valentine's Day things. I was thinking more of cheese being a delicious romantic food. Last 11 games of the year for the New York Jets. The best thing you said was if Wicks could catch you, it'd be great. Last 11 games for the Jets after the Devonte Adams trade.

Devonte Adams was on pace for 176 targets. Garrett Wilson, 134 targets. Devante Adams was on pace for 104 catches, 1,320 yards and 11 touchdowns. Garrett Wilson, 93 catches, 1,090 yards, six touchdowns. Wilson had 11 red zone targets. Adams had 21. Wilson had five green zone targets.

Adams had 13. Wilson had seven end zone targets. Adams had 13 end zone targets. I just thought it was interesting with Rogers on the way out. Maybe Adams on the way out. But if they end up together, those two, you're going to get a lot of targets for Devante Adams. Well, he just is Rogers on the way out

or is he just going to the other side of the building? They don't. Oh, you mean the stadium that they plan? Yeah. Oh, you think he's going to the Giants? That's what Dan said on FFT Dynasty. He's, he's hoping for it. Yeah, whatever. And they can bring Devonte Adams in and Lake Neighbors can have 112 targets next year.

Exactly. Wow. Just something to think about. Also, if you go look at Devonte, Aaron Rodgers, 2022 and 2024, his numbers are almost identical. It's last year with the Packers and this year with the Jets. Just very eerily similar. And that's it for me.

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