Fantasy Football Today - Favorite Early Values with Alfredo Brown (07/10 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

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This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports. What a play! Can you believe this? No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays at his feet. This is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

Yo, our favorite values in fantasy football. We're talking about it right now. It's Thursday, July 10th. And we've got a special guest joining us today. I'm Adam Azer with Jamie Eisenberg. No Dave, no Heath, no Dan. Everyone's out of town. Everyone's on vacation doing fun things

that people usually do in July and August. And we're doing fun things too. We're talking fantasy football with Alfredo Brown of Football Guys. Follow him on X or, I guess I'm saying X now. At Alfredo A Brown. What's up Alfredo? Welcome, thanks for coming on.

Yeah, man, it's great. It's really exciting to know that I was not option one or two, probably three, but I'm excited to be here. It's always fun to talk, talk football in the middle of July. We're like, I feel like we're spinning our wheels. Then once we get to August, it's like, okay, this all, this all really matters. But like the ADP has been moving a little bit.

It's fun to find some values right now. I actually feel like it all matters right now. I feel like July is, I feel so much pressure on these shows. I can't just say crazy things and be like, oh, you know what, we'll reassess in two months. I feel like my opinions now are my, obviously they can change,

but it's going to determine the face of fantasy football for millions of people, basically. It's how I'm feeling. Millions. Yeah. Basically, it's how I'm feeling millions. Yeah. Jamie, what's up? I would just like Alfredo to know that when I knew he was coming on the show today, we did a mock draft yesterday with three other amazing analysts in the industry, but you

were the first person that I asked to do the draft. So you were first in my mind to join our draft. Yeah, that's because of his alphabetical order though. No, I usually send your invite last. Oh yeah, true. What's this tweet all about, by the way, this X you're going on. Jamie's going on your show later. Yeah, actually, like right after this, we're going to just chop it up a little bit, doing

something a little different from like what I typically do with football guys. So instead of being like, give me your best sleepers or, you know, like players like that. We're just going to kind of break down like what goes into the thought process of fantasy football, like what shapes his decision making everything from how you draft, how you start players, trades, waivers, everything to make it something a little more evergreen, something someone could look at like five years later and be like, this still makes sense. Jamie Eisenberg, he's pretty smart.

All right. You can hear that on the Pretend GM podcast. I'm very tempted to click this button right now, but I won't do it. Okay. Let's get into the show here. Favorite values, we also have some news and notes. It was Ryan Wilson, we know you wouldn't follow me. We have some news and notes.

Excuse me. News and notes. Gosh, come on now. Don't cough, don't choke. I'm like five minutes into the show. And update on the FFT Open and other drafts and stuff. But Alfredo Brown's number one top undisputed best ever, can't be beat, undefeated, numero uno,

value in fantasy right now is who? No pressure. It's Devon Aitchin right now, running back for the Miami Dolphins. And I'm just really excited for one, the direction that this is going now. I hope that the ADP doesn't skyrocket too much after the whole John Oos Smith deal here,

but we should expect a much more prominent role for Devon Aitchin this year without Raheem Moster, without Jeff Wilson. I know we probably get a little bit more Jalen Wright. They draft Ollie Gordon. I was in love with Gordon coming out of Oklahoma State. The whole thing for me is just you look at the splits for HN with Tua and without Tua. 11 games with Tua, 22.6 PPR points per game, averaging six receptions per game. He's an absolute PPR monster. And the games without Tua,

it just crumbles down to 8.7 PPR points per game. Only two receptions there. The thing for me is that I don't think we've still reached the ceiling yet with him. He's just playing 62% of the snaps last year. That was 19th amongst running backs in the NFL. And when the team basically was having just Tyreek and Waddle with HN out there, no John U Smith, we're looking at Devon A-chan getting a 22% target share. That would have been first amongst running backs.

Alvin Kamara led everybody with a 19.6% target share. So this is something where I don't think we've seen the ceiling quite yet. Tua keeps talking about wanting to get the ball out faster and faster and faster, and he like already gets the ball out fastest in the NFL. So to me, that just still leads to more touches and more receptions for Devon H.

And most fantasy points per touch amongst running backs over the last two years. I love where he's going. If you can get him in the second round, more power to you. I don't think I want to wait for that. I just, I'm going to go ahead and take him in the first round. I've got him at my ninth overall player. What would you say Alfredo, if you found out someone took

him third overall, I'm sorry, second overall. No, third overall. You know what? I wish I had the numbers in front of me, but I looked at this the other day and Devon H Chan's numbers with Tua were better than Jameer Gibbs numbers with David Montgomery on the field. So if people are willing to draft Jameer Gibbs at two or three overall, I think you need to be willing to draft him on HN at two or three overall if you are really believing in him this year. So in our draft yesterday, Keith Cummings drafted HN third overall. Yeah, he loves HN. He has HN and Gentie as top five players. I, okay, six catches per game.

You think he can repeat that? I'm thinking more like four with Tua. I mean, I don't see why not, unless there's some sort of big change in how they're distributing the targets here, especially for me, what stands out is hearing Tua saying that he just wants to get the ball out faster. And it's like, dude, you already do that that he just wants to get the ball out faster. And it's like, dude, you already do that.

Now you want to get the ball out faster. I don't think this offensive line has gotten any better. And even the guard tackle guy that they got in the second round, Jonah, I'm not gonna try to pronounce the last name. He's a great run blocker. So that's gonna help A-chan on the ground, but Tua's still not gonna have

the best pass protection out here. So he's just gonna continue to keep getting that ball out quick. Yeah, so Alfredo, by the way, is using his football guy's ADP. In CBS ADP, A-chan is going 11th. Football guy's ADP is going 15th. He's RB7.

He's going after Derek Henry Jr. and Brian Thomas Jr. Derek Henry, not Jr. I don't think he's a Jr. But Brian Thomas Jr. I don't think anybody's ever called that guy Jr. Derek Henry, not Jr. I don't think he's a junior, but Brian Thomas. I don't think anybody's ever called that guy Jr. Derek Henry the fifth and Brian Thomas Jr. So Devon H. Anne, 15th overall, that's the value that Alfredo is going off of. And that's why he thinks H. Anne is one of the best values of fantasy. Did I say Henry 15th overall or HN 15th overall? I don't know.

Everything. Yeah. Everything went black after that. Sorry. Okay. So HN for you, you like him as a first round pick. Heath loves him as a first round pick. And I'm just, there's a, there was a league last year was actually my FFT open league where, uh, the guy who had the first pick shout out to Rich Eggy, um, his friend of mine who joined the FFT Open in my league. He had the first pick and everyone was taking McCaffrey first and he's like, no,

I'm not taking McCaffrey first, he's too old, he's gonna get hurt, so he went bold and he of course, much better pick, he took Brice Hall. But in rounds two and three at the two, three turn, he took Malik Neighbors and Devon Aitchan and both of those were sort of eyebrow razors at the time. And I was like, wow, you know, it's bold, but it might work out.

And you know, unfortunately, Tua got hurt. But if not, those would have been just unbelievable picks. Anyway, Jamie, who's your number one top undisputed best ever campy beat undefeated numero uno value in fantasy? What do you got? I guess I'm trying to think of someone we haven't spoken about recently, maybe Tyree Kill. No.

I'll go back to what we've been talking about this week and say Calvin Ridley. It's just such a big opportunity for him. And we actually kind of glossed over it. We just kind of said, oh, he's great value in the spot that he is. So in CBS is ADP Alfredo? He's like in the 90s I think just given the opportunity for better quarterback playing cam ward should be a better quarterback than what we saw from well

I was last year. I don't think that's a big surprise But when he had games with Mason Rudolph He was basically two points per game better and hopefully that's gonna be the case that'll be in that 14 15 point range as opposed to The 12 13 point range that he was living in with Levis once DeAndre Hopkins was traded. So the receiving core is going to be interesting. We'll see what Tyler Lockett does. We'll see what the two rookies have to offer. Maybe some more tight end play with Gunnar Helm joining Chigo Conquo. But I do think just better quarterback play is going to help Calvin Ridley cross the board. So if he's going to stay in the range that he is on our side based on the ADP of the limited drafts that we have so far, that's a steal, I think will probably creep up around or two. But even that range is

worth the risk because you could still be getting a top 25 ish caliber wide receiver. He's not going to be a top 15 kind of guy unless you know touchdowns dramatically increased. But I think you know, 15 points per game for a guy that you could get 70th overall maybe, you know, somewhere in that range. We have somebody in the chat saying 50, 60s everywhere else. Okay, so he's 63rd, Kevin Ridley is 63rd as wide receiver 31 in football guys. But he's one of these guys where football guys has really great ADP shows ADP from different sources.

I guess we don't have enough CBS or ESPN yet, but he's all over the place. He's as high as 56th, he's as low as 110th. So Calvin Ridley could end up being great value, but when's the first time, when's the earliest you'd consider taking Ridley? So round versus receiver number, I think wide receiver 31 is about the range

where we start to consider him. If that's in round five, I'm probably passing. Okay. I also like to say that, you know, last in his last 11 games, that was after Deandre Hopkins got traded, Calvin Ridley was on pace for 130 targets and almost 1300 yards. His full season numbers don't look so great because in the first six games, he was only on pace for 102 targets, but Hopkins was actually a pretty big factor there. All right, so we got A-chan, we've got Ridley as very good values for you,

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but Mackenzie Brooks, Tom Fornelly, Jacob Gibbs, Chris Towers and more. People outside the CBS world are gonna have FFT open leagues like Scott Fish, Tom Grassi, who's a YouTuber and a Packers fan, and some of our friends from Fantasy Life. So that'll be July 21. Meanwhile, big thanks to Mike from a town east of New Haven with a $1,000 donation. You are the top of the leaderboard right now. Andy G donated 250 bucks.

Magic Giants, Diana Windsor and Jack donated 100. And we have a number of $50 donation. So we're almost at $2,000 in 10 days. And we're gonna raise it a lot more than that. We're gonna hit six figures. All right, we will be right back. Yeah. Can you put the graphic back up for a second?

The FFT open? Yeah. Yeah. So Alfredo, you and I have met in person. I don't know if you've met anybody else in person. Who do you think, rank the heights of the four people that you see on the screen there, Dave, Adam, Heath, and myself, and that's not the order,

but rank the heights. And for all the people who can't see, they're all, we're all about even in height. I'm not gonna lie, I was thinking this the whole time, and all I was sitting here saying is, why is Dave's head so gigantic in this? I've seen him in person. It's like, it's not that big.

I know Heath is probably tallest, right? I think I'm gonna say, is it, I've never met you, Adam. I think I'm gonna say you're probably second tallest, Jamie and then Dave. Ooh, thank you. Thank you. That is, all right, what's the real order? I think Heath is and then Dave. Ooh, thank you. Thank you. That is, what's the real order?

I think he's the tallest and Dave, Dave and Heath tower over me and Adam. Jamie towers over me. Yes. Adam is the smallest by far. That's so funny that you thought I was second tallest I'm not even close. This graphic man, it does you some justice.

Yeah, look at that hair. They just corrected it this year. It used to be like, I was the smallest by far, because the pictures, like Adam lives in New York, so the pictures we've done together, Dave, Heath, and myself, and I'm significantly smaller than both of them. And so it used to be like, I was small, and then they made Adam so big,

and I really looked like tiny in the photo. Tidyurl.slashjamy. All right, we'll be right back on Fantasy Football today It used to be like I was small and then they made Adam so big and I really looked like tiny in the photo. Tiny URL dot slash Jamie. All right. We'll be right back on fantasy football today. Right after this. This episode is brought to you by Dizone for the first time ever. The 32 best soccer clubs from across the world are coming together to decide who the undisputed champions of the world are in the FIFA Club World Cup.

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He's got a knee injury. The pup list would mean he'd be out the first four games of the season. Meanwhile, also Tampa Bay saying they want to create more explosive plays in the pass game, which they actually did last year. They were fifth in pass attempts. They were also fifth in explosive pass plays, but it was a lot of short stuff. Baker Mayfield had one of the lower a dots in the NFL. And so their big pass plays were really done with a lot of yak. They were 16th, for example, in explosive pass plays of 20

or more air yards. But Jamie, how big of a deal is this for the Buccaneers? If Tristan worth, let's just, let's just put them out four games. And that would be Atlanta and Houston. What's that? It's a tough start. Atlanta and Houston on the road, Jets and Eagles at home. Yeah, I mean the Eagles and Texans.

Texans game, yeah, it's gonna be a little bit tough without Wirths there. But I mean, if it's four games, it's not huge. You know, they'll certainly get by. I think the thing that you look at is they got off as a team to a slow start. You know, they really had a, you know, finish strong to make the playoffs. So if you're talking about it from that perspective as a team, you know, they should be fine. I do think fantasy wise, you know, it's maybe a little bit, you know, pause if you're debating,

let's say Chase Brown versus Bucky Irving, and you know, the second round, you're debating Baker versus Knicks versus some of the other quarterbacks in that range, you know, from that perspective, I don't think it's going to really alter the full value of the receivers. But you know, if if it's now worse, and maybe God went out, you know, then you sort of maybe alter some things as well. But I think if he's back, you know, after four weeks, I'm not changing how I'm drafting

the books. Okay. And they did play one game last year without Tristan Wirfs. They played a high school team from New Jersey that wears blue and they beat them 30 to seven and average 7.3 yards per play. In 2022, they played three games without Wirfs, not including week 18 where the starters didn't play that much. And they struggled, but they kind of struggled all year.

That was Tom Brady's last year and they weren't that good. Seattle, we'll go to Seattle here. Right tackle Abraham Lucas, who's I'd say a pretty important piece for them. He keeps, he's hurt a lot. He's healthy now. And he said, and we knew this, that the team is focused on establishing the run.

So Ken Walker is another guy we're gonna talk about. He's one of Alfredo's favorite values right now. Seattle was 28th in run rate. They were 29th in running back carries. Only three teams had fewer running back carries than Seattle, the Giants, the Raiders, and the Browns. We need a better version of Ken Walker. He was only 42nd among, I think, 46 running backs with 100 or more carries in explosive run rate. In his first two seasons, he was sixth and 11th. All right. Kyler Murray says he wants to run more this season. We would welcome that. And Kyron Williams looks, has looked more explosive this off season, according to his

running back coach, which is great. But if you read the article, Blake Corum also is more explosive and the rookie from Auburn. Why am I blanking on his name? Jarqus Hunter? Yeah, junior. Um, he is looking good as well. But yeah, I mean, I think that Alfredo, I think that's actually important if we, maybe we, I don't know if we need it from Kyron Williams because he's been, you know, a fantasy stud two straight years, basically. And people seem kind of down on him.

But it would be nice to get some more explosive runs from him. That's not really his thing. Yeah, I mean, we're going to prepare yourself because we're going to get like a month of propaganda about players that ex player looks amazing. A lot of it is going to be rookies that nobody has ever seen in training camp before and how great they're going to be. And like you mentioned, Jarques Hunter. And that's something that like, especially with Kyron Williams, we did this last year where everyone was really worried about Blake Coram.

And then now this year, everyone's worried about Jarques Hunter. And honestly, I kind of like almost all of the Rams players as fantasy values here because they can just still be really all they do is swap out Cooper Cup for Devante Adams, which I think is an upgrade. So if this offense is just getting better, that has me equally as excited as I was last year. Okay. Well, let's see who else you are excited about.

Let's talk about Alfredo's favorite values. Devon HM was one of them. He's going as RB seven. If you look at the consensus ADP on football guys and he's going 15th overall, but we talked about him. So let's go to Jonathan Taylor. He's RB8.

He's 20th overall. I guess I would just say I actually don't think that's his great value. I feel like this is where he should go. Maybe even later. Okay, tell me why I'm wrong. Tell me why Taylor is very good value at 20th overall. I've just gotten a few spots higher.

I've got him at 17th overall. He's my running back eight. I've been kind of bouncing back and forth between where I really want to put Christian McCaffrey in all this. I'm having a lot of mental struggles of where I actually want to rank him and where I feel most comfortable drafting him. And I think I tell myself that if I was sitting there in the middle of a fantasy draft, I'm in the second round and I'm looking at Christian McCaffrey and Jonathan Taylor,

I'd probably take Jonathan Taylor because I just don't want to miss on that second round pick. But as of right now, I still have McCaffrey ranked higher because of the upside. For me with Jonathan Taylor, and I know this is not how people win fantasy football, but in those first couple of rounds, you just don't want to miss on these picks. And with Jonathan Taylor, you have a good floor. The Colts, this is a team that's going to have to live

through the run. They were sixth in run play percentage last year. Colts quarterbacks had just three games over 250 passing yards. By the way, all three of those were Joe Flacco. Now you have Daniel Jones, who averages 211 passing yards for his career. Anthony Richardson is just so much worse

at 159 passing yards per game in his career. The run is going to be so important for Indianapolis. And we saw that over the final stretch of games and the final three games for Indy, they jumped all the way up to fourth in run play percentage. Last three games of the season with Anthony Richardson, Jonathan Taylor was getting 25 rush attempts per game.

So I know there's being like a lot made out of the competition of who's going to win and who's gonna be the starting quarterback and how it affects them. Both of these quarterbacks run plenty. Neither of them pass very well. If anything, the offense might be better with Daniel Jones, which is very weird to say,

but Jonathan Taylor is still going to get his volume. 25 rush attempts per game in those final three games. Richardson, he had the big blowup game against Tennessee, 200 plus yards and three touchdowns. We've seen Daniel Jones be able to make a running back relevant in fantasy football with Saquon Barkley. And we saw a little bit of that when people were getting excited about Devin Singletary early in the year, last year.

There's just not a lot of competition on the depth chart, even though I like Khalil Herbert, he's strictly a backup. DJ Giddens is the guy that they drafted who I don't think is going to be taking any time from Jonathan Taylor. I know the big concerns for everyone. And for me is the offensive line took a hit and ankle injuries have become a thing for Taylor. But in the years where he's healthy, he's just the top seven running back in points per game every single year. So I see him as a value. If I'm, if I'm looking at him towards the end of the second round where he's going 20th overall, I'm going to hit that button every single time. Okay. I'm going to give you, you mentioned his last three games with Anthony Richardson. I'm just going to give you a 17 game pace from his last three games with Anthony Richardson. I'm just gonna give you a 17 game pace from his last three games overall.

And tell me if you think he- Five million yards. Yeah, tell me if you think he goes over or under this. 538 carries, 2,947 yards and 34 touchdowns. I'll take the over. Okay, very bold, very bold. Jamie, do you think Jonathan Taylor is safe? Oh yeah, yeah, I think, you know, there's,

you know, when you start to look at like profiles, you know, I know I've been saying this a lot recently, but like you start to look at player profiles, like Jonathan Taylor is a 95% version of Derek Henry. You know, you're not gonna get a lot of receptions, you're gonna get a lot of volume, you're gonna hope to have some positive game script. He doesn't, I think, have the same ceiling as Henry, which is why he should be going

after him slightly. But I think round two is a good spot for him. I like his value. I would personally take McCaffrey over Taylor because I think if McCaffrey hits, you're going to get a better fantasy option. But I understand what Alfredo is saying because we've seen what the pitfalls are for McCaffrey, who's two years older, at least two years older than Taylor if not three or four so I think you're looking at you know one of these

players in round two like he's to me like he's sort of like one of the bridge running backs right because I think he should go after a Chan he should go after McCaffrey he should go after Gentie and Henry. And then he's sort of the guy I think you take before Bucky and before Chase Brown, just based on what those guys look like coming into the season and before Kyron Williams. So the 18 receptions from a year ago scare me because you're asking him to repeat those type of rushing numbers on an offense that could really be awful. I mean, there's so many good pieces here, but the quarterback play could just be an absolute disaster because while Daniel Jones may be a better option for the receivers just

based on how he's done, um, comparatively to Anthony Richardson, like he's just hasn't been good. So it could be, it could be a disaster. And so if he's not going to get some additional touches, you know, based on what he does in the passing game, so non PPR, he's a monster. Half PPR, he's pretty solid. Full PPR, he's great, but there's a little bit of a concern because you're just not getting those added bonuses.

Jamie, do you think that there's like a panic that sets in for Shane Steichen and staff there that, okay, if our quarterbacks can't get it done, we just really need to control everything through the run and let's just give Jonathan Taylor as many touches as possible. Because I mean, I would say they're on the hot seat right now. I would be shocked if, you know,

their quarterback play was good if they weren't doing that with Jonathan Taylor. So yeah, the game plan is as much Taylor as they could possibly get. But everybody playing them knows that too. Especially knowing that you're going to get a lot of RPOs, you're going to get a lot of design runs from their quarterbacks, you're going to get a lot of everything is coming off their run game, whoever is doing it.

Whether it's the guy taking the snap or the guy who's getting the carries in the backfield. So I think that's just the concern is like, you know, you have some offensive line changes that may be positive, you know, we just never know how these things go. But yes, this is Jonathan Taylor's offense through and through it's it's there's there's no hiding it, you know, if they if he doesn't have success, they're gonna be trouble. Well, you mentioned him as a bridge running back after Derek

Henry, a Chan and Gentie and whatnot.. Before Chase Brown, Bucky Irving, you also mentioned Kyron Williams. But looking at the last two years, I don't really think it's an easy call. Fantasy drafters are making it an easy call to take Jonathan Taylor over Kyron Williams. I think maybe there's some concern about Kyron having competition.

I think we all think that Jonathan Taylor's a better player, a more talented player than Kyron Williams, not to knock Kyron, but Taylor's pretty damn great. There's another guy you didn't mention that's Josh Jacobs. I don't think you said him. Oh yeah, I'm sorry. Jacobs for me is right there too. Jacob. Yeah. Jacobs versus Taylor is tough. So Jacobs and Kyron are also on this list for Alfredo of values he likes. So you have Taylor at RB8 and Jacobs at RB10, 22nd overall, Kyron Williams at RB12, 30th overall. You like those values, but if we can just rank

those three guys, and I think the one thing that really jumps out looking at this big group of Taylor, Jacobs, Kyron, plus Bucky Irving and Chase Brown, I think you'd have to say objectively the Colts come into the season looking like they have the worst offense of those five teams. Most people I think would agree with that, right? We're talking Green Bay, Cincinnati,

Tampa Bay, Rams and the Colts. So there is that, he also might have the fewest receptions of these five and Jonathan Taylor, but just a loop in the three that you like Alfredo at their values, Taylor at 20 overall, Jacobs 22nd overall, Kyron 30th overall. How would you rank them? Exactly like that. It would be Taylor, Jacobs, Williams.

And the reason I just keep giving that edge to Jonathan Taylor is his team is going to rely on him more than I think any of these other guys. The Rams can be a passing offense. I think the Packers want to be more of a passing offense. The Colts don't really have a choice. They have to lean on Jonathan Taylor. And I think out of all three of these guys, Taylor's the most talented, not by much over Jacobs, but I do think he's most talented. And Jamie, how about you? Taylor, Jacobs, Kyron? Jacobs, Taylor, Kyron. or Jacobs, Kyron? Jacobs, Taylor, Kyron.

What is it you think that is scaring people off of Kyron Williams is going 30th overall in the football guys ADP? Alfredo. I think it's just a lot of people holding on to where he got drafted, his size, his speed numbers, which is like a weird thing that people are still holding on to,

but then there's enough, I think, sharp people in the industry that are saying, well, you know, the Rams drafted a running back last year in the mid rounds and they draft the running back again here in the mid rounds, but this is also something that Sean McVay just does every single year. And the fact that they're even considering giving Kyron Williams a contract extension

like should quell any concerns that this is their guy. So I'm not sure why people are getting scared of Kyron Williams. I think a lot of it just has to do with the Blake Coram and Jar Quest Hunter of it all. Well, a contract extension would probably help his value if it happens, right? I mean, it would quell those fears. Yeah, I mean, I got to say 30th overall for Kyron just. I don't know. I don't know why it's come to this.

He's the best value of the three running backs that we're talking about. I wouldn't rank him the highest, but I think he's the best value of all three. And that being said, Jamie, I mean, if we, sorry, let me get that ADP up, right? Let's just look at where Jonathan Taylor is going at 20th overall, all the way to where Kyren Williams going,

30th overall. I do see how any of these guys could be taken. Not Garrett Wilson. I don't know. But so it's Taylor, Bucky Irving, Jacobs, McBride, Josh Allen, T Higgins, Lamar Jackson, Chase Brown, Garrett Wilson, Tyreek Hill, Kyron Williams. I mean, someone has to be last in that group, I suppose. You know what I mean?

It's a pretty solid group of players with interchangeability. How do you look at that list of 11 players from 20 to 30? I think just it comes down to probably how you started your team and how much you feel about taking a quarterback or one of the two tight ends. I'm assuming Brock Powers is in the first. He's ahead of that. 17 picks.

So it just comes down to, you know, how much you want to take one of those, you know, different positions as opposed to taking another running back there. So if you're, if you're taking the quarterbacks and the tight ends out, then he's going to be a second round pick. And look, he's in, he's in the mix with these guys. I think anybody that's devaluing him is, is devaluing him because of some of these other players,

not necessarily devaluing him because of the position that he plays. So Alfredo is right. right like you know there there's There there are people I think they're just really really concerned about Kyron Williams And they made the mistake probably last year as well and said oh he's a punt returner and oh they brought in Blake Coram and all these things that sort of you know the the narrative that we you know may have made a mistake on and He comes back and has a solid season. I think the concern is you know first off When you keep hearing wanting more explosive plays

He just doesn't give you them and so does does McVeigh and do the Rams want that and so does he just lose a percentage? Of touches and does that sort of knock him behind Bucky Irving and behind Chase Brown and you know the guys that he's gonna be In in the conversation with Jacobs and Taylor as well The other part of it is I'm concerned about Aleric Jackson. You know, I mean, these blood clots are a problem and they don't have one of their key offensive linemen there. You know, we saw what this Rams offense was. Twenty twenty one. They were amazing. Twenty twenty two. The offensive line started to break down.

And Matthew Stafford was a mess and everything sort of just fell apart. Sean McVeigh and Lesnead have done a great job of putting this team together in a variety of ways. And the offensive line has been such a key part of it. And so if there's some sort of shift, it's just again, you're nitpicking between some pretty elite talent at that position. So I think he's the second round pick, whether it's back end around two, if you want to say early third round pick, look, you're getting a great value if you're getting 30th overall, there's no question about it. Okay. So last thing I want to say about Kyren is he went from, I want to say five yards per carry in 2023 to 4.1 yards per carry in 2024. And his schedule was a lot harder. He had a very easy schedule in 2023. The first three games of the year for him

three. The first three games of the year for him are the Texans, the Titans and the Eagles. And those are three teams that typically have really good run defenses. I know the Eagles lost Milton Williams, but they got a lot on the D line. Texans were third best in yards per carry a lot of running backs last year. Eagles were, I think, fifth best. Titans were caught kind of middle of the pack, but usually when Jeffrey Simmons is healthy, they're really, really good there. So you don't want him when they've got two mid-round picks as competition, you don't want him to get off to a bad start, Kyron Williams. And that is kind of a tough schedule, at least to start things off. Okay. Let's talk about Trey McBride. He's going 23rd overall, whereas Brock Bowers is going 16th overall.

So who's your number one tight end and why did you put Trey McBride on this list of your favorite values? Trey McBride is my top tight end and it's a lot of it just has to do with, well, he averaged more targets, more catches, more yards per game. He led all tight ends and targets per outrun.

Trey McBride was just good at everything. The only thing he wasn't good at was getting touchdowns. And that's the thing, like he still commands the target share. He was the only tight end with 25% target share in the league. He's been good after the catch, kind of like a young George Kittle. Like this is something he was good at coming out of Colorado State. And then last year he leads all tight ends and red zone targets. He has 34 red zone targets, but then only two touchdowns. So you have to imagine there is going to be some regression

to the mean there. We're going to see something positive happen for Trey McBride. I know you mentioned earlier, Kyla Murray says he wants to run the ball more. I feel like he kind of flip flops on that every other year. Like some years he says he wants to run more other years. He's like, I want to pass more. And then just, we really don't see it. I would hate to be the one that misses out on Trey McBride being the game changer for my fantasy team because I just didn't notice that the touchdowns weren't there despite all of the red zone targets. Like every single other metric is there for him. And he passes the eye test every single time. Brock Bowers going that high in drafts. I don't think he's a, he's obviously he's a great player. I don't think he's enough of a differentiator for you at

the tight end position to justify taking him that early. The way Travis Kelsey was years ago, where you're taking him in the first round almost. So Trey McBride going, I mean, on that two, three turn, if I can get him in round three as my tight end one overall, I'd love that. So Bowers is going 16th as I mentioned and McBride is going 23rd. Would you take McBride 16th or do you think that's even too rich for him?

I think that's too rich for him. I don't necessarily want to be taking tight ends early. I just think that Trey McBride is a value at tight end because he's going as the second tight end, despite I think really being the number one tight end here. And he's going so many spots after Bowers, that just instantly makes him a value. But I'm probably targeting later tight ends if I can.

Okay. I think that that list I read from 20 to 30 is interesting because if you get to that point and both of those tight ends are on the board and you feel like there's, you know, between your pick in the middle of round two and your pick in the middle of round three, pretty much the same tier of player,

then maybe that's your green light to go ahead and select Bowers or McBride there. And just, you know, hopefully you get Tyree Kill, if you love him, or Chase Brown, if you love him, or Kyron Williams is your pick. And you feel like you got, in the third round, you feel like you got a second round player, while also grabbing one of the elite tight ends.

Hope that makes sense. Now, if I could tie in George Kittle, who's also on your list of favorite values, he's tight end three, he's going 40th overall. So we got Bowers 16, McBride 23rd overall, Kittle 40th overall. What's your favorite value when you look at those three picks? Not your favorite player, but your favorite value.

Yeah, I think it is George Kittle. And that's why I'm a lot less likely to take McBride or Bowers in the second or third round, because I can sit there and take George Kittle in the fourth round. The guy who was tight end one and fantasy points per game last year, he just continues to defy the gods with, you know, his, his, as he gets older, but he's catching the ball further and further downfield each year. Last year he yards per route run and yards per target were way deeper

than any other tight end. He's still top two and, and Yak yards after catch every single year, the 22% target share near the top amongst all tight ends. I mentioned McBride was at 25%. So I mean, Kittle is right there. So we've got the volume, we've got the efficiency, we've got the big plays. Now there's no Debo. You've got concerns with Brandon Iuk's health. And if I can get a guy who can be, I think equally as effective or if not more effective

in fantasy than a Brock Bowers in the fourth round, I love equally as effective or if not more effective in fantasy than a Brock Bowers in the fourth round. I love that for my fantasy team. And what's your read on that? Jamie with the tight ends, Bowers 16th, uh, 23rd for McBride and 40th for Kittle. I mean, it's, it just screams taking tight end two and three as opposed to taking tight end one, you end one. McBride's my tight end one also. I'm excited about his outlook. I think the later you get him, obviously the better. I think Kittle's going to be one of the best values that we see in almost any position. It's not just that Ayyuk is banged up. You have both Pierce Saul and Jennings

dealing with injuries coming into camp. They should be fine, but imagine a situation where those two guys aren't there. What we've seen from Purdy and Kittle in their rapport and obviously what Kyle Shanahan's done with Kittle, it's just fantastic. He's defying father time. He's just continuing to get better. In the draft yesterday, I was faced with a tough decision at the 3-4 turn and it was like, okay, it's Kittle and who else am I going to take? Because he was sitting there at 36, I knew I was going to get a player of his upside

coming back around, let alone at that spot to begin with. So I think, you know, end around three is where you just start looking for him. So 40th overall is certainly a great bargain. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you my difficult decision with George Kittle, not just want to look at ADP, not something that happened in the draft. You know, do you take George Kittle or right after this break, we'll finish that thought. We'll be right back on Fantasy Football today. Coors Light is launching a fake record label and they want to sign you for a chance to win an unforgettable all access artist experience at Oceaga.

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Try them all while you can for a limited time in participating McDonald's in Canada. All right, so George Kittle going as tight end three, 40th overall. Right after him, you've got Joe Burrow and Jalen Hertz. So you come up in the fourth round of a 12 team league and you have to decide, am I getting a top three tight end or top five quarterback? And I think it's a tough call. So Alfredo, which way would you lean? Would you go with a kiddle or would you go with Burrow or Hertz to grab one of the top five quarterbacks?

Because at this point, Alan Jackson and Daniels are off the board. I'm going Kittle and for me, it's not a tough call. I just wanna go with a premier tight end like that. Quarterback has become so flat because there are more and more running quarterbacks every single year and people are drafting Drake more running quarterbacks every single year. And people are drafting Drake May as like quarterback 13 right now.

And he's got the same rushing upside as a guy that's a top five quarterback. And last year we saw it where late round quarterback is still very much a thing. I believe it was like nine or eight out of the top 12 players were all drafted outside of round nine. So the late round quarterback was just such a thing and not all of them needed to be rushing quarterback. So if you're finding those later round guys that can run the Justin Fields, the Drake Mays,

Caleb Williams pops off, you know, something like that. I think you're finding great value there. I don't know that very similar to how I said with Bowers, I don't know that Joe Burrow is giving you that differentiator that you need at the quarterback position. I think he is in six point per passing touchdown leagues because usually he's up to close to 28 points per game

or so when Higgins and Chase are healthy. Four point per passing touchdown, I mean, I think you could also make the case because he's gonna, you know, he's the favorite to lead the NFL in passing yards, but it's an easier case to make in six point per passing touchdown leagues. Jamie, which way, I don't even have to have to ask I know but which way do you go

Jamie Kittle or burrow or hurts? Yeah, I would go kettle. I think for everything Alfredo said, you know, you're getting, you know, the opportunity to get quarterbacks, they're still going to produce at a high enough level. You probably could still find a tight end that performs like kettle, but it's a little bit more challenging. So I'd rather have that positional advantage at that spot, as opposed to taking, let's say, one of those quarterbacks, which should be great. But, you know,

we saw Hertz finish this QB seven last year, he wasn't, you know, up to even where he was expected to perform when he was one of the top three quarterbacks. So there's going to be guys that will perform close to that level. Whereas again, if you get, you know, Kittle performing like he was a year ago, you're going to get, you know, top three player at that spot. Yeah, it's, I mean, he's, he's a great player. He's, you know, you could argue the best tight end

of his time. I know that includes Travis Kelsey, but Kittle being more of a blocker and so efficient, obviously he's great and I love him. But I just want to point out, you know, I think he's 32, he's gonna be 32 in October, and he scored last year 15.8 points per game in PPR. That's his most in five seasons.

He looked like a player on the decline. As if you look at his points per game in his last five seasons, 15.6, 14.3, 13.5, 12.7. This is why I was nervous about Kittle. And then he bounced back up to 15.8. Ayuk got hurt, Debo was a shell of himself, and Christian McCaffrey played three and a half games. He only played one game.

Kittle played only one game all year with a healthy McCaffrey and a healthy Brock Purdy. And he had four targets. And he scored 14.7 fantasy points, three catches, 57 yards in a touchdown. McCaffrey had seven targets in that game. Obviously, I think he's going to average more than four targets per game. Don't you think this is sort of baked into his ADP?

Because if you were saying right now you're getting the same points per game, you're drafting him where Bowers and McBride are going. I think people expect more from Bowers and McBride, honestly. If you expect 15 and a half points per game, they were all around 15 and a half points per game. That is nothing close to what Travis Kelsey used to, used to average in his prime. And I don't think you should take any of those guys in the second round.

You correct me if I'm wrong, if either of you disagree, but if you're expecting what they did last year, about 15 and a half PPR fantasy points per game, you should be looking at them in round three or four. Round two, I think you're hoping for 17, 18 points per game. And you're just looking at the totals for McBride and Bowers and going, they're going to basically do this while scoring more touchdowns. I think that's the theory behind taking them in the second round.

So I don't necessarily necessarily think Kittle is discounted, especially when you consider he's 32 years old and those other two guys are in their prime. But I, you know, I also think if you just talk about the difference between last year and the years before, it's just a different receiving core now, as you already mentioned, I mean, it's, it's not Debo Samuel and Brandon Ayyuk, it's not Jimmy Garoppolo. It's hopefully, you know, the best quarterback he's played with and he might lead the

team and targets. So that's my take on it. Alfredo. Yeah. I mean, you mentioned it's, it's the bounce back last year. Well, I mean, it's kind of the same offense running it back. The only big difference here is going to be Christian McCaffrey, but it's not like they're running backs. Weren't catching passes out of the backfield. It's not like Joanne Jennings wasn't getting peppered with targets in certain games. Ricky Pierce all became a thing. I think there's also like, there is an intangible thing, which I know is so hard to quantify on a podcast like this, but there is an intangible thing that just, Brock Purdy does like George Kittle

and he does target him pretty comfortably. The quarterback rating does tend to be higher when he's targeting George Kittle as Brock Purdy finds himself in trouble. That's the quick release valve for him and that Niners offensive line, that was something that was being talked about a lot in the draft draft that they needed to go out and get more offensive linemen And I I don't know that I have a whole bunch of faith in this team being as good of an offense as they've been

In the past, but I think that's just going to make Brock pretty rely on kiddle even more last question do you think Anyone of this trio is clearly safer of Kittle, Burrow and Hertz? Kittle, Burrow and Hertz. It's tough because they're all different positions, right? If I have to go with safer, like you mentioned, six, six point per passing touchdowns leagues, it's Burrow. If it's, six point per passing touchdowns leagues.

It's burrow. If it's a four point per passing touchdown league, it's, it's hurts. But at quarterback, I don't want safe at quarterback. I want someone that just changes the outlook for me. That is a big differentiator between all the other guys I can draft there. But they are. I mean, those, those two guys are now, I mean, you already said, you already said you're not sure about Burrow, but you can't. It hurts. I mean, I think I mean, it's a harder decision for me in case you all haven't figured it out because I

like, I think we're getting similar value with guys like, like Bo Nicks, who was also running the ball a ton. Like now I'm not a huge Bo Nicks believer, but there's just enough quarterbacks that are running now and getting touches at the goal line that it, the Jalen hurts thing. It's not, it's not as appealing to me in drafts. I guess the question Adam would be is, would you rather have, let's say, Kittle and I don't want to just say a running quarter like fields, you know, would you rather have Kittle in Dak Prescott or Kittle and Knicks

versus Burrow and. Yeah. I know where you're going. If the answer to this is always going to be Kittle and Nix versus Burrow and... Yeah. I know where you're going. The answer to this is always going to be Kittle and the quarterback. So then you shouldn't have a tough choice. No, but, but I do think that Burrow and Hertz

are a lot safer than George Kittle. And for me personally, it might come down to, forget it, I wouldn't. I mean, look, there's a reason why these guys are averaging, you know, I mean, Burrow was second points per game in his position and Hertz is, you know, gonna give you 700 rushing yards and 13 touchdowns. You know, that's what he's given you, you know,

each of the last three years, if I'm correct. So you know what you're getting from those guys, that that's why he's given you, you know, each of the last three years, if I'm correct. So you know what you're getting from those guys. That's why they're top five quarterbacks. But I think there's an easier path to somebody else or a couple of other players that position getting to that level, not maybe Burroughs level, but the Hurts is level where there's not a lot of guys that are going to get to Kittle's level. I guess, I guess if Joe Burrough does what he did last year and George Kittle does what

he did last year, I think Burrow is a more valuable player. It's fair. I mean, they're both great. They're both, you know, both top three at their position. Yeah, they were. All right. Let's, let's talk about the last three here. Jackson Smith and Jigba.

He's going as wide receiver 15. He's 31st overall after Garrett Wilson, Tyreek Hill and Kyron Williams. JSN is one of your early favorite values. Yeah, he's one of these guys that especially a wide receiver, I think obviously the thing you always want to target is volume as best as you can. Last year, JSN eighth in receptions, 12th in targets.

Wide receiver eight and a2 PPR scoring. Think it's a little bit higher in PPR formats as well. But he did all this with DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett on the roster. Not that Tyler Lockett was all that great, but both those guys are gone. Now, JSN is the clear number one. There's this guaranteed volume that's built in.

And not that he's this like brilliant offensive mind, but I'm somewhat excited for Clint Kubiak coming in. He's, I think there's a lot of narrative that the Seahawks want to run the ball a lot more. And maybe that's what they're saying. But when you go back and look at Clint Kubiak, he has always been a very balanced play caller with like a 45, 55 split in favor of passing. So it's not something where I, he's going to be in the middle of the field in both of these. So with this guaranteed volume for JSN, what I like most with Clint Kubiak is that

he likes to move his receivers around a lot more, get JSN out of the slot instead of making him just this static guy. I think that's gonna be Cooper Kupp who's gonna be in the slot a lot or a little more static. JSN is gonna be the guy that's being moved a lot in play action and pre-snap motion. That was something that Kubiak did a lot.

That was something that Darnold thrived with as well is getting guys in motion, hitting the play action and pre snap motion. That was something that Kubiak did a lot. That was something that Darnold thrived with as well is getting guys in motion, hitting the play action, deep passes, hitting the intermediate part of the field. That's something he was good at in Kevin O'Connell's offense. Kubiak and O'Connell come from that same Shanahan coaching tree. So there's a familiarity there. So I think that's why they go out and they get a Sam Darnold

to try to put him in an ecosystem where he's comfortable. I think the Cooper Cup thing becomes sort of a red herring. He's 32 years old. He was really bad over those final five games. He was like wide receiver 70 something over that stretch. I missed 18 games in the last three seasons. It's just, he does not worry me whatsoever. And then when I look further at the depth chart, there's just nothing else really behind

him. I mean, there's sure there's excitement for Elijah Royal to do something cool. But after that, it's like Marcus out of scantling and rookie Tory Horton and Jake Bobo. It's really if this offense is going to have any semblance of success through the air, it's going to have to be through Jackson Smith Najib. Okay. Do you like him better than the guys who are being drafted ahead of him? Garrett Wilson and Tyreek Hill. I think he is safer than it's weird to say that he's safer than Tyreek Hill at

this point. Um, because I do worry that Tyreek, the injuries are starting to pile up and you see that with the Uber athletic guys, once they hit that, that 30 plus age mark, it's a little different. Garrett Wilson, we've kind of seen what he is in and it's not because of him. It's just because we've seen him get the volume and we've seen kind of where it maxes out. Could Justin field be the best quarterback he's had in his career? Yeah. But that's also what's concerning.

If Sam Darnley even gives you a like kind of what he did last year in Minnesota and JSN continues that volume and gets even better volume. I think I like JSN the best at all those three guys. Why don't we stick with the Seahawks. We have two more players where she writes and Ken Walker. Let's go to Ken Walker. He's RB 17.

He's going 46th overall after DJ Moore, after Omarion Hampton and after Alvin Kamara, just after Kamara. So RB 17 for Ken Walker, 46, man, that would be awesome. In fact, he's a guy, if you take a look if you're watching, see his ADP on all of these sites. He's not a top 39, he's 40th, that's 40th or lower. 40th or, you know, between 40 and 50 something.

On CBS, he's like, his ADP, Ken Walker's ADP is something about 39.75 so we'll round it up to 40. So he's making it to the fourth round everywhere and perhaps late fourth round. I love it. And apparently you do too, Alfredo. Yeah. I mean, if I can snag him at the end of the, based on where I'm at,

if I'm at sitting at the end of the third round, I'm going to take him there because I don't want to let him fall to the fourth round. I really like Ken Walker. I've liked him since he's come out of Michigan State. And like I mentioned with Clint Kubiak, this is going to be a balanced offense. They might try to run a little bit more,

but I don't think it's going to be this thing where it's just so overwhelming. Walker's just been the clear RB one for Seattle. I mean, I know as much as we want to make Zach Charbonneau a thing, and when he does get opportunity, he's decent, but Walker's been the RB one. He had 63% of the rushing attempts last year as a fifth amongst running backs in target share, which is like, that's the thing that stood out to me the most is all of a sudden it's, you know, it's a type of Gilmore. Oh, happy can put, you know, like Ken Walker can catch like that. That's, it's happened just out of nowhere

man. And he was on pace to be second amongst running backs and receptions, uh, through 12 last year, he was running back seven in PPR points per game. That was the head of Devon HN who were all just taking gladly in the first round now. So with Clint Kubiak, the whole thing is that his running back one gets massive opportunity. Something I credit to Ryan Heath over at Fantasy Points. He posted this the other day, the second highest expected fantasy points per game since 2021 for Kubiak's RB one. It's just a good indicator of attempted volume. It's right up there with Christian McCaffrey. So if Ken Walker is going to be the RB one in a Kubiak offense, we're looking at a guy that we see, yes, he can catch,

yes, he can run. The problem is going to be, can he stay healthy with that kind of volume? And he's been nicked up here and there. He's missed 10 games over three seasons. Last year they were like, he missed games in pockets where he would miss two games here, two games there. I think where it hit everyone the hardest was that he missed those games during the fantasy playoffs. And I think a lot of us are just holding that against him. This is also a contract year for what it's worth. So it would not surprise me if the C-Ox are like, yeah, let's just give them a ton of volume, run them into the ground. Let's see what happens. Now that could hurt you late in the season. So like that's always the risk with drafting a running back. But if I'm getting him in the fourth round where ADP is or late third round,

he's a guy getting drafted RB 17. But he does have a ceiling of a top five running back when healthy because now he actually is catching passes. And I don't think there's a lot you disagree with there about Ken Walker. Right, Jamie? No, I do. I was trying to think. So Kubiak had. McCaffrey in his best season, right? 2023. And then Camaro last year. So he's gotten some pretty good guys to deal with, which I'm sure

inflates some of those numbers, but clearly he's going to be good. 2021 in Minnesota. I can't remember who the running back was. Was that Dalvin? Must've been. Yeah. I think the thing that's, that's, that's obviously exciting about him is can he stay healthy? Or the question mark, can he stay healthy? And if he does, he's going to have an unbelievable year. To tie in both Seahawks, you're looking at two young players that have an opportunity here to dominate touches with what JSN can do and what Walker could do. The offensive line is going to be a little bit of a concern. They've clearly tried to address it this offseason.S.N. can do and what Walker could do. The offensive line's gonna be a little bit of a concern.

They've clearly tried to address it this off season. Hopefully it works. I'm a little concerned that we're going to see a step back for Darnold because of the offensive line and just because he's not in the Kevin O'Connell offense. So while Kubiak's system, yes, it's the same tree and hopefully can support what Darnold was able to accomplish last year.

Was this the fluke or is this kind of who he is now? Did he go through the 49ers car wash and then the Minnesota car wash and now he's sort of just squeaky clean and can continue to play at this high level. It's going to really determine I think how this entire offense goes. But I think to go back to kind of what you said about Jonathan Taylor, they're going to run things through Ken Walker as well and try and take pressure off of Donald and take pressure off of the entire offense. That's what Mike McDonald seems to have wanted by making some of these changes as coordinator

and quarterback. And so hopefully Walker can, you know, play more than the 11 games that he played last year and, you know, sort of, as you said, you know, take the sting out of everybody's, you know, feeling that had him last year when he wasn't there one game in the last five missing the entire fantasy playoffs. So it's always nice when you get these kinds of situations if you want to do it. And a lot of fantasy managers are split on this. Like you can, you can take both Seattle running backs very comfortably, and then you have this backfield locked up. And so we've seen it, you know, whenever there is no Walker, Charbonneau

is an absolute stud. And so you just kind of plug and play the Seahawks running backs. If you are worried about, you know, Walker's injury, same thing with drafting McCaffrey. You can easily draft Isaac Rendo and you're you're having yourself covered. So if you are into a handcuff being a handcuff fantasy manager, these are two teams, Seattle in particular. You can clearly just take both running backs in very easy spots and you're fine. OK, there's there's some like Devon H. and stuff here, kind of with Ken Walker some like Devon H hand stuff here,

kind of with Ken Walker, like what if all the targets are just funneled down to JSN and Walker as being the guys? Like we kind of saw a little bit of that last year. If this becomes a thing where Walker's the second most targeted player on the team because Cooper Cup is injured and they really don't have anyone else,

that's a smash pick in the fourth round. I guess my, so they threw the ball so much last year. And I think he doesn't play on third downs and he's hasn't been the two minute drill guy. So I'm skeptical of the catches. He averaged fewer than two catches per game in his first two seasons. And then he averaged four catches per game last year.

So I think that's a mistake. I think they should get him the ball. It just put it in his hands, get, and then he averaged four catches per game last year. So I think that's a mistake. I think they should get him the ball. It just put it in his hands, get him out in space. He's really talented, but they hadn't really shown a willingness to do that until last year. So I have concerns about that. And he averaged 3.7 yards per carry last year.

And I think one of the main reasons is he's always, I'm sorry for being a broken record. I know I've said this a lot. Ken Walker is always trying to score a touchdown. Every time he gets the ball, he's just looking to score a 60 yard touchdown. He's from the three. Yeah, we hate that. No, I mean, it's great, but he does it too much. And he has a lot of talk about his explosive plays,

two or three seasons. He's been really great there. He unfortunately is very bad when you look at percentage of carries for zero or negative yards. He has a lot of negative carries. He's always trying to hit the home run. And you know what? You can get away with that when you have a good offensive line. Seattle had a terrible offensive line last year. I mentioned Abraham Lucas earlier. He's played 13 games in the last two years. They drafted an interior offensive lineman in the first round.

So they're hoping that they're gonna have a better offensive line. If they don't, I don't know that we're gonna get to showcase the skills of Ken Walker because the way he runs, always trying to hit the home run, I think he could be done in by a bad offensive line. Well, I mean, the theme of the show is where you're drafting him. Yeah, easy to take him in the spot. It's a question of,

you know, how much do you really value Ken Walker? Like, I don't know where you have him ranked Alfredo. He's 13th for me, you know, so I'm, I'm, I'm reporting from me, excuse me. Um, I'm looking for him back into round three, early round four, you know, so I, I don't have a problem, you know, if this is the case reaching for him because of what the upside is. And then again, easy to cover yourself just to take Charbonne, you know, in, in that round nine, 10 range, cause that's usually where he's at. Uh, I was, yeah, to follow up on all the negatives I said if I can really get Ken Walker's RB 17 46th overall, it would be one of my favorite picks. It would be a layup. It would be tougher

for me if he starts going in the middle of round three. Okay, Rashid Rice is going at the two at the three four turn 36th overall. Rashid Rice is wide receiver 18 after Terry McLaurin, after Jaden Daniels, after Marvin Harrison Jr. You like Rashid Rice's value at wide receiver 18, 36th overall. Yeah, man. It's so interesting how we look at NFL teams,

because a lot of what happens towards the end of the year just carries over to how we feel about these teams and these players the next year. And I think a lot of people are getting worried about Xavier worthy, but this chief's offense was going really through two guys to start the season. Isaiah Pacheco and Rashi rice, both those guys get hurt around the same time the offense falls apart and they're like, all right, let's go and let's get Deandre Hopkins and let's start getting other players in here. Save your worthy. You're not running those deep routes anymore. We're going to put you in the Rishi rice roll.

And it took him a while to actually get good at that. And he still wasn't super efficient at that. He was 58th in first downs per route run. He was just, he, he saw everything kind of change for him. He was a guy that was getting an average depth of target over 11 yards and that drops down to just six and a half yards. So he was just this inefficient volume guy when the chiefs really had nothing else.

But in the NFL playoffs and towards the end of the season, we see these big games from where he blows up with two or three touchdowns in a game. But that was a lot of that was in the Rishi Rice role. Guess who's good at the Rishi Rice role? Rishi Rice. And he's back. So it's just he was the wide receiver to overall and points per game across those first three weeks, which I know is a super small sample size, but it's not like we haven't seen him be productive before we've seen him be good after the catch. We know he's got sort of that, that floor, uh, especially in PPR formats. He's had plenty of time to recover from this injury and he's just the guy that's perennially a top 24. And I can't probably, I can't say perennially

because he hasn't been playing for that long, but, um, just he's been a guy that's perennially a top 24. And I can't probably can't say perennially because he hasn't been playing for that long, but just he's been a wide receiver too or better in eight of his last nine games where he's played. Like he is just always a, not just startable wide receiver, but a guy with a high floor and high ceiling being in the chief's offense. You definitively like Rasheer Rice better than Xavier Worthy?

Yes. Not even a question for you. No, not even close. I'm probably one of the lower people on Rashid, excuse me, on Xavier Worthy. Okay. How do you feel about Mahomes this year? Mahomes, like I'm okay.

Okay, yeah. I'm not actively targeting him in drafts. Like I think, what's his ADP at? Is he like around quarterbacks? Seven or something like that? He's QB six in the- QB six. And he's going 62nd.

I don't want that. I don't want that. Like I'm gonna take, I'll look at some of those guys going quarterback nine, 10, 11 in drafts instead. I think Alfredo would love my Scott Fishbowl team at this point. Oh, let's hear it. Oh, it's Trey McBride round one, Devon Achan round two, Chase Brown round three, Rashi Rice round four, and I just took Kyler Murray round five.

Congrats on your championship. Yeah. Kyler Murray is such a great pick. I was hoping to get him. I don't know if anybody- I was actually hoping for Fields who went right before. So I was I was hoping either field or Tyreek would fall to me just because you're playing a 5000 person tournament, you got to

get guys that are going to have huge upside. So both went and Rice was the third guy that I was waiting for. So I took him and then see if we get a little stacking going with McBride and Murray and hopefully that works. I don't know if, is anybody interested? Do you want to see my draft room for those of you who are interested in the Scott Fishbowl and how it's been going?

Everyone loves seeing other people's drafts, yes. Let's do, good, thank you for validating this. Let's, okay, we're going to share this. This just comes from, because people like tall people, so since you're so tall. Yeah, exactly, I get the height advantage. Huge. I since you're so tall. Yeah, exactly. I get the height advantage. Huge.

I should zoom in, right? A little zoom, zoom edge. Okay. So I am off screen now, but this is how it went down. You don't have it's amazing how usually Scott fish bowl. You can start two quarterbacks, but usually you have to start at least one and the quarterbacks go flying this year. You don't have to start any quarterbacks, but usually you have to start at least one and the quarterbacks go flying. This year, you don't have to start any quarterbacks

if you don't want, and the scoring makes things interesting. I am here, McCaffrey, Lamb, Nico, JSN, Purdy. And then this is the team that's really interesting to me, Tango and Cash, Bowers and McBride with the first two picks. Remember, this is two and a half points for receptions for anyone, except tight ends, it's three and a half points. So Bowers, McBride with the first two picks. Remember this is two and a half points for receptions for anyone except tight ends. It's three and a half points. So Bowers McBride there. A lot of teams have only one quarterback. Some teams I think have zero through

five rounds. So there's a look at the team a lot. I think I like my team. I, I was really hoping for, for Kyle. Be confident. You go in the third Jason in the fourth. That's great. Yeah, I was pumped about that, but I need a workhorse running back, you know? And those are kind of gone because you get half point. You have, well, I need another. You have a point for Carrie. Anyway, that's a look there. Um, just one last thing before we go is please. What's your start so far, Alfredo? Um, I will be drafting live, uh, in Orlando this weekend. so I have no idea.

I honestly haven't even looked at the scoring. So me saying your team looks good. It means absolutely nothing. You on sleeper or my fantasy league sleeper? Yeah. So half point per carry, I'm pretty sure. Two and a half points per catch, three and a half points per tight end reception. And there's some other stuff, too, but no first down bonus. No first down bonus. So mobile quarterbacks are great. What I remember,

everything is pretty leveled this year. Like there's no real true positional advantage. If I, if I remember seeing correctly, there's one if he hits and it's Travis Hunter. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Please vote for us for the podcast awards. Let's go to podcast awards or go to podcast awards slash app slash sign up and look for us in the sports category and support fantasy football today. And thank you so much, Alfredo. It's been great having you here. You're my favorite value at this point in the season. Oh, thanks. It's you, you and my mom. I mean, you gave him honestly the best compliment he's ever had on this show

in 15 plus years by far. I don't wanna be tall. Controversial take, how tall are you Alfredo? I'm 5'10", but my license says I'm 5'11". Oh, okay. The hair, the hair. My license says I'm 5'8", but I always tell people I'm 5'9".

I think I'm pretty close. I think there's a lot of advantages to being short. I never have to worry about leg room. And that's it. That's pretty much the only advantage. That's a big advantage. It's a big, I was, uh, I was ran into, um, a friend of mine and I coached her son in baseball and the father is probably six, five, at least just a really giant, um, human being. And uh, we were talking about like, cause my son had like a very fast growth spurt and I said, Oh, he's playing travel basketball now. You know, baseball still is one of his favorite sports, but probably in basketball.

I said, Oh, your son may get there too. She's like, I don't want him to be tall. It's not, it's not fun to be married to somebody who's that tall. And so it was interesting to hear her say that. Oh, wow. I guess that's why it'm in such a happy marriage. I knew it all along. All right, thanks so much to Alfredo and all of you

for watching and listening. And to Jamie Eisenberg, we will talk to you tomorrow with a mail bag. There's Johnny with a good comment. Get that in there. Adam has stepstools in every room in his house. That is partially true, but that is because of my kids, not because of me.

All right. I do have trouble reaching the top shelf sometimes. We'll talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football Tonight.