Fantasy Football Today - Favorite Late-Round Players AFTER Pick 100! Fields, Warren, Prescott, Mason, & More! (05/22 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: May 22, 2025We’re revealing our favorite late-round picks that could be league-winners in 2025 fantasy football drafts—including players like Tyler Warren, Jordan Mason, and J.K. Dobbins, who are flying under... the radar but could give your roster a massive edge. (1:00) Then at (6:45), we flip the script with a hilarious twist: how to guarantee you lose your fantasy league. Don’t miss the latest news and notes at (10:00) before we dive into our favorite late-round quarterbacks (15:00) like Dak Prescott and Justin Fields, running backs (25:08) like Zach Charbonnet, Isaac Guerendo, and Ray Davis, and wide receivers (36:46) including Darnell Mooney, Matthew Golden and Ricky Pearsall. We wrap it all up with tight ends (51:30) like Tucker Kraft and Dalton Kincaid... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fan To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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The first season of Georgie and Mandy is a bona fide hit.
Be cool, okay? We don't say it out loud.
Hmm, okay.
Can we just say it's great?
Thank you for saying that, Elway.
With lots and lots of laughs.
So everybody knows?
I only told Mandy.
Well, I only told Mom and Dad.
That's everybody.
So, quick summary.
Laugh at Georgie and Mandy's first marriage
with all episodes now streaming on Paramount Plus
and returning new CBS fall.
Yes, yes, also yes.
Thursday, May 22nd, yesterday we told you
about our favorite mid-round picks.
Now we're looking at picks 100 and later.
Who are our favorite late round picks?
Did you know that Darno Mooney is available after pick 100?
He was a number three wide receiver on a per game basis last year,
and he did that with only six red zone, two green zone
and one end zone target in all of 2024.
Come on, let's get a few more of those for Darnell Mooney.
Did you know that Kion Coleman, another guy available late in drafts,
averaged seven point four yards after the catch per reception with a 15.2
yard ADOT. That combination of ADOT and YAC is, it's, he's in a world of his own there. Now it's
only, it was not a lot of catches, but we haven't seen something like that since Marques Valdez
Scantling folks.
So Keon Coleman, I thought that was pretty interesting.
He had a high A-dot and did a lot after the catch,
but unfortunately a small sample
probably doesn't mean much anyway.
Welcome to the show guys.
What is your favorite late round pick?
Dave, if you had to pick one right now,
give me a favorite late round pick.
I love, I've talked about this duo of tight ends quite a bit. The T's,
Tucker Kraft, Tyler Warren, both of them are going after 100th overall.
I'm not sure if they're going after 100th overall in our drafts, but I,
I remember hearing Matt LaFleur talk about Tucker Kraft as soon as the season
ended saying, we got to get this guy more involved. His efficiency was outstanding. I think with more target
volume he could be a top 10 fantasy tight end, if not a top five. And with Tyler Warren,
it's just, I'm in love with the talent. I think the opportunity will be there in Indianapolis
as well. I know the quarterback stink. They still can get the ball to this guy who's 6'6", 250 and is going to run a bunch of
routes inside of 10 yards. So a lot of catches on deck and
hopefully a big time red zone threat for the Colts too. Not
necessarily at the goal line, but let's say between the 20 and
the five. That's why I would expect to see a lot of Tyler
Warren make some big numbers this year.
Okay, so that's a couple of tight ends to keep in mind Tyler Warren and Tucker Kraft
and in the draft that we did yesterday, Tyler Warren went with the second to last pick of
round 12.
Tucker Kraft, Dave took him with the second to last pick of round 13.
How about that?
Jamie, who is your favorite late round pick?
I'll go with Jordan Mason if we're getting him in this range.
He may end up being the best running back for the Vikings if Aaron Jones at his age
misses any time.
Last year he played through three separate injuries and Kevin O'Connell is already talking
about reducing his workload from a year ago.
So I'm going to let a lot of people draft Aaron Jones and I'm going to draft a lot of
Jordan Mason. So, uh, especially where I've seen Jones go
and in some cases seen him ranked. Uh, yeah, I'm out on Aaron Jones and Mason's value to
me is incredible.
Yeah. So we'll be a top one of after a hundredth overall in drafts come August.
Um, that'd be close. Unless Jones gets hurt.
Around seven, eight, lay them straight.
I don't think he's going to be around seven, eight pick Jordan Mason.
That's dude.
If it gets out that if, if what Jamie says becomes like big time mainstream news, he
will absolutely be in that range of not higher.
Go through this again.
If what Jamie says that he could be the best running,
what specifically would have to happen?
That Aaron, you're going to lower the workload for Aaron Jones so that Jordan Mason can get his
hands on the ball more. And by the way, they've got a pretty inexperienced quarterback now.
So getting the run game going is going to be pretty important for Minnesota this year, I would think.
I will bet you a one gazillion dollars.
And I have it Dave, you can check, gazillion.
He will not be, Jordan Mason will not be picked
in the first seven rounds or eight.
I don't see it.
Not if Aaron Jones is healthy, if he suffers an injury.
Yeah, I know, right, if Aaron Jones is healthy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would venture to guess that Aaron Jones may be around 7 pick.
I mean, looking at who went in round eight in our draft yesterday,
I guess I could see it, but this won't be reflective of ADP
because there'll be more quarterbacks taken in ADP.
But where did Mason go yesterday?
Mason went in round 11, but other guys, but I was going to say like, what's his best case scenario preseason that
people look at him the way they look at TaiJay Spears, but Spears went in round eight.
So did he go?
How did he go after Elijah Mitchell and Braylon Allen and Jalen McMillan and Tank Bixby?
No, well, he's going to go ahead of all those guys. He's probably moving up.
He'll be moving on up.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, those are a couple of late round picks.
My favorite late round pick right now,
and this is definitely someone who will move up,
but if you're drafting now,
J.K. Dobbins.
I took him in the 13th round yesterday.
What a team. What Dobbins. I took him in the 13th round yesterday. What a team, what a squad. Let's play
it out. I crushed it. But JK Dobbins 13th round. I also took him in the eliminator league that one
of the eliminator leagues that I'm doing. So super late, but all it's going to take is for him to
sign with the Chicago Bears. And then JK Dobbins could be a top eight round pick.
Something like that.
But what if he doesn't sign with anybody and he reverts back to the Chargers
roster?
Yeah, then I'm going to drop my 13th round pick out of 14 rounds.
You know, that's fine.
Will it make you think any differently of a Marion Hampton or Najee Harris?
Not that you think highly of Najee Harris.
Oh, if Dobbins is oh, that yeah, I don't know. That's
interesting. I would not love that. Yeah. What about you?
I think I'd have to be a little bit more concerned about
Hampton. And I mean, I'm already kind of treating Najee like he's toxic so he'll be double toxic if
Dobbins is still there.
Alright folks, alright we had an interesting question Thomas.
Oh wait do we have a screenshot or just want me to read the question sorry.
So I'll just read the question.
Yeah you can just read the question.
Alright well now I have to find the question. Yeah, you can just read the question. All right. Well, now I have to find the question. Okay, so we had a screenshot from a comment that Thomas sent to me via text, comment from Brian
from yesterday's show. And it says, Hey, Thomas, when I have problems, I try to invert to eliminate
things that I know will not work. So my problem is how do I win my league? Could you do an inversion episode, like a surefire way to lose my league?
So Brian wants us to, it's almost like the Costanza thing,
just do the opposite of what he would normally do
and things would work.
But that's Dave, let's give him some terrible advice.
How to guarantee to lose your fantasy league.
You had some good ones, what'd you come up with?
All right, so here's the list that I have,
because I thought that this idea was fun.
First and foremost,
if you really want to lose your fantasy league,
you can start out by taking a quarterback in round one.
And I mean, listen, you can still win your league
if you actually do this,
but why take great talent at a different position
when you can take a quarterback in round one,
while the difference between that quarterback
and the guys that'll go later on is negligible by comparison.
And I've seen people take two quarterbacks with their first four picks.
Now in a two-QB league, a great move.
In a one-QB league, I still see it.
I don't get it.
That'll help you lose your league.
As a player coming back from a torn ACL, reach for him.
As a player holding out from training camp, reach for him. It's a player holding out from training camp reach for him too.
Uh, who cares if a guy is on a team that won't score a lot of touchdowns, draft
them anyway, um, and the last thing I wrote was targets don't matter overlook
targets, focus on touchdowns because that's certain to repeat year over year
for everybody, well, it kind of does for Mike Evans, but everybody else, I don't think so.
It is kind of an interesting exercise to just put out there into words,
bad ideas to make sure you don't do them.
What did I say?
I said, now we're going to get comments from people, by the way, who are like,
I take a quarterback in round one every year and I win my league every year.
You guys are jokers.
So it I'm I'm open to arguments about some of this stuff.
Don't we usually have these conversations about like auction auction strategies?
Yeah, sure. I said you should drop rookie wide receivers after two bad weeks.
That's a little throwback to Justin Jefferson for Peyton Barber. And Schaeffer
reminded me yesterday during the show privately that I also dropped Lad McConkey last year.
I think that was a little more reasonable, but that one did not work out for me. So I
think yeah, but that's a good one.
One more, one more, one more. Panic on a player after one week. Yeah. Or spend big on Isaiah likely on on in fact, that's
actually a good one, right? Spend big on on the if it's like a
backup running back that's replacing someone who just got
hurt, you know, then I get it. But people spent man, I remember
some crazy bids 80 80% on Isaiah likely.
Right, so.
Yep.
It's fun.
It was a fun question and actually I think
kind of can be helpful to just talk about
the mistakes that people make
so you can avoid doing them in the future.
All right, news and notes.
Start with a sad note here and our thoughts
to the family and friends of Jim Ursay,
Colts owner who passed away yesterday at the age of 65.
Sad to see it.
The NFL did not ban the tush push.
Does this change anything for you guys?
Were you ranking anyone as if the tush push would be banned
or is this just full status quo now?
Again, I'll go back to what I said.
I don't think they were gonna change
their quarterback sneak philosophy if the tush push was banned. So no, did not
change anything.
Liam Cohen was was talking about Basial tootin fumbling rookie
running back for the Jaguars fourth round pick. He fumbled in
practice and he kind of called that out. Also said some good
things about tootin but this is a guy that I think Schneier was
talking about it last week had ball security issues, right? Jamie didn't dan bring that up yes he said he had nine fumbles in college yeah
nine times nine times so yeah i was actually bigsby bigsby yesterday went in round 11
in our draft and in the consensus rankings that we're looking at for the purposes of this show. Tank Bigsby is 123rd overall,
so that would again be round 11.
Where did Tooten go in this draft?
He went two picks later.
No, I don't know, maybe Tooten is not going to have
that big of a role this year,
especially if he can't hold on to the football.
We'll keep an eye on the development.
Dave, what'd you make of the report
from NFL Network's Cameron Wolf,
that the Dolphins, I don't know if it was running back coach
or offensive coordinator, I'm sorry,
saying that Devon A. Chan needs to get more work this year.
I like that, but I also read a story that said
that Mike McDaniel talked about A. Chan
and Jaylen Wright working together a lot more often and getting Wright more involved in the offense. A-chan is still going to be the main guy.
But I think the same durability concerns that they had for A-chan at this time last year still exist.
And there's nothing wrong with them taking them off the field in low value situations.
Second and eight from midfield, something like that.
Um, I do wonder a little bit about why they signed Alexander Madison, why they
drafted Ali Gordon, is it possible that one or both of those guys could end up
taking short yardage work away from a Chan or from right if right ends up playing
a little bit more than he did last year. Still love A-chan, still taking him with an early round pick. I hope that that
report, the one you're referencing, is what comes to fruition. That they just put more on his plate,
they're comfortable with it, and he ends up being close to 300, 310 touches with the majority of them coming through the air.
13 carries, five touchdowns in his career from the three yard line or closer for Devon Aitchand,
maybe something to keep in mind. Probably not. I mean, small sample, but not great numbers from
near the goal line. And Garrett Wilson was singing Kumbaya with the Jets.
And there had been some talk about maybe he wants a trade,
but he says he wants to be with the Jets for his career,
wants the contract.
And head coach Aaron Glenn said he wants to get
Garrett Wilson the ball as much as possible.
All right, we're gonna take a break.
And when we come back,
we will talk about our favorite late round picks.
We've already given you Tucker Kraft, J.K. Dobbins and Jordan Mason. So we'll talk about more players that we like,
including basically every quarterback. We'll be back after this on fantasy football today.
The first season of Georgian Mandy is a bona fide hit. Be cool. Okay. We don't say it out
loud. Okay. Can we just say it's great? Thank you for saying that, Elway.
With lots and lots of laughs.
So everybody knows?
I only told Mandy.
I only told mom and dad.
That's everybody.
So, quick summary.
Life at Georgie and Mandy's first marriage
with all episodes now streaming on Paramount Plus
and returning new CBS fall.
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All right, so I wanna start out with the quarterback discussion here and basically the premise of today's show is our favorite late round picks.
What we're using to define a late round pick is the consensus PPR rankings that are on
fantasy pros and anyone picked one or ranked, ranked, excuse me, 100th or later.
We do not have ADP, reliable ADP to use at the moment, but anyone ranked 100th or later. We do not have ADP, reliable ADP to use at the moment, but
anyone ranked 100th or later. So in this case, players 99 and 100 in the rankings are Brock
Purdy and Caleb Williams. And then Jordan Love is 102nd, and then Dak Prescott is 107th.
Scott is 107th. And then Justin Fields 109, CJ Stroud 110.
So that is six quarterbacks in 12 picks,
but that's when they're gonna start flying off the board.
My question for both of you,
because Dave has Dak Prescott,
JJ McCarthy and Jalen Milrow,
which I'm assuming will be a super flex thing.
Jamie has Justin Fields, Drake May, and Trevor Lawrence.
I mean, if it were me, I would say Justin Fields,
Dak Prescott, Trevor Lawrence, Drake May, who did I try?
Even Tua, I guess the question, like, who don't we like?
Which late round quarterbacks don't we like?
How do you even choose? I think Justin Herbert, Jordan Love. You know, I don't even know what Which late round quarterbacks don't we like? How do you even choose?
I think Justin Herbert, Jordan Love.
You know, I don't even know what order it's going to be in.
But I remember yesterday in the draft we did,
I'm gonna take, oh, Anthony Richardson.
Anthony Richardson, another one I definitely wanna take.
It's like, all right, I'm gonna take
any one of these seven guys.
So I'm just gonna keep waiting and waiting.
So Jamie, as you make that decision,
are there guys that you zero in on?
Are there guys that you just cross off the list? Because I know there are going to be a lot of late round quarterbacks
that we like. I think it comes down to, you know, if you're taking one of these guys as your starter
and the only quarterback you're drafting, or if you're planning to take them as your second
quarterback with the hope that they hit it big and you can either pivot to that quarterback or
you're trying to trade that quarterback.
And so in the case of who's got the safer floor of some of the guys that you mentioned,
obviously I think you look at Dak and what he's done and I think it's three of the last
five years before the last five years when he's been healthy, he's been very good fantasy
quarterback and now he just got a new weapon.
If you're talking about shooting for the stars with one of these guys that's going to use their legs, you know, you mentioned Richardson,
obviously Fields. I think Drake Mays deserves to be in that conversation based on what he
showed last year. But there's a lot of questions, you know, so those aren't exactly the ones
I want to go into the season with as my only quarterback. But again, depends on what your
league is and how you draft. So I did a draft. I think, did I take fields in the half PPR draft?
Yes, sir.
I did two drafts back to back, so I'm a little-
You did.
I did a draft with the fantasy pros guys.
I know in the fantasy pros draft, I drafted Caleb Williams
and it was interesting because using their mock draft
product, and it was four of us drafting
and then auto-d draft using their draft simulator.
It's a pretty cool product.
The idea was I took Caleb Williams, even though I have Dak Prescott ranked higher,
it's four points for passing touchdowns in that mock draft.
So I took Caleb Williams and then all the safe guys went.
Dak went, went pretty went
Forget it. Well, so Herbert might have went also
golf went and Then I just took Drake May and so just went with you know, two
Questionable guys, you know if you if you want to you know categorize them
But so much upside as we're you know, you know expecting to see you know with better receiving cores and better coaching
all those things that go along with them.
So I think it comes down to, again, what you're looking at.
And I think there were three of the four of us took two quarterbacks in that draft.
And I went back and looked at like the free agents, like Tua was a free agent.
There's somebody else that stood out to me that was maybe Jordan Love or Cedric Javone.
If you know there's going to be those caliber of quarterbacks, Stafford was free agent guys. If you know there's gonna be those caliber of quarterbacks,
Stafford was right, if you know there's gonna be
those caliber of quarterbacks on the waiver wire,
you don't necessarily have to draft to.
So you can still get a good number two option
or safer option if you're shooting for
one of these high upside type of guys.
So know your league, if you wanna go back to the
drafting rules or whatever you framed it as,
know your league, know the type of player back to the you know drafting rules or whatever you framed it as know your league No, no the type of you know player or fantasy managers are drafting with and if everybody's gonna take two
It's in your best interest to probably you know pair up
You know one of these risky quarterbacks with somebody that has a little bit safer
floor, but you know if you draft a burrow or hurts, I don't know if it's
Necessarily priority to even try and waste a draft pick on another quarterback
where you can try and maybe get something that can, you know, be more of a home run
in another position.
Yeah, I did draft Burrow and then I drafted Trevor Lawrence, I believe with my 14th, my
last pick and then Jamie took Drake May after.
I just think that this is so I mean these quarterbacks are so good
that even if I have bro I don't necessarily feel like I have to take a backup but I'm fine doing it
if there's nobody on the board I really like. So Dave you had Dak Prescott and JJ McCarthy and
Jalen Milrow on here but that that obviously needs some, some explaining here.
Cause there's not telling people to take JJ McCarthy over Trevor Lawrence or anything like that.
Not yet, but we know the track record of Vikings quarterbacks with Kevin O'Connell,
51 games, 27 times a quarterback has had at least 22 fantasy points. That's in six point
per passing leagues, at least eight games per year.
And if O'Connell can work magic with Kirk Cousins, turning him from a mid QB
into a quality fantasy starter, did the exact same thing with Sam Darnold,
then I think there's a chance that it could happen with JJ McCarthy. And you could get them
after a lot of the names that we just reeled off for this big gold group of quarterbacks that have high upside.
Dak to me just makes a ton of sense as a great sleeper. We've seen it. Jamie mentioned it.
It was 20, 24, 3, 2, 20, 21. He had 24 fantasy points per game.
23.9 in his final nine games the year after that in
2023 29 fantasy points per game and 11 games after the buy that's when he was hyper targeting CD lamb And then last year was really a bad year. He only had 20.7 in his first five games
All of Dax games with at least 20 plus involved Ferguson having at least 11
Well now he's got pickings on top of Ferguson.
And in addition to CD lamb, and I've got questions about how good
that Dallas defense is going to be.
They've got a lot of injured players on that side of the ball.
Could be a lot of high scoring games.
It just, it makes all the sense in the world to go after anybody with a
late round picket quarterback who's got huge upside.
It helps when said quarterback has demonstrated the upside
and Dak Prescott's done that.
And the worst case scenario is that Dak is over the Hill and I cut him.
And there's a quarterback like Jamie mentioned, it could be to, it could be
McCarthy that's sitting on the waiver wire after a couple of weeks of Dak.
You say, I've had enough.
I can't win with them.
And you go and you make a change and you hope that the guy that you make a change with catches
on.
Here's where Dak Prescott has finished on a per game basis in his last six seasons in
six point for passing touchdown leagues per game.
Dak Prescott has been number four, number four, number seven, number nine, number two, and
number 21. Right. It's amazing. And pretty similar in four
point per passing touchdown leagues to two concerns, I would
say for Dak, it's all kind of related. One would be it's all
the same. He's 32, or he will be in July. He barely ran last
year. 1.6 barely ran last year.
1.6 rush attempts per game.
And he took a lot of sacks last year.
So I guess I just wonder if he's at the stage in his career
where he's lost his mobility,
but you figure he offset that by gaining George Pickens.
So I have a follow-up question with Dak Prescott.
If you drafted, let's say Baker Mayfield
or someone that you feel good about, but maybe you still feel like, I want to back up. You take Dak Prescott or do you take Fields
or Richardson, one of the guys who can run for a lot of yards or Drake May.
Fields or Richardson. I mean, I think Dak is the guy you want to pair with fields or Richardson.
You know, that's the type of player that you're looking at.
Didn't I just illustrate that Dak Prescott has huge upside when I just read that he's
been like a top four finisher per game in three of the last six seasons.
You did, but you also just mentioned the potential pitfalls of the most recent season that he's
coming off of when he missed half the season with a hamstring injury
That I believe to require surgery or yes
What was it was a pretty brutal one? So I?
I I like the upside of Dak. He's a top 10 quarterback for me
I said that when they made the Pickens deal, you know
I just thought that based again what his track record has been and now he has you know, two pretty strong
You know pass catchers three if you
want to throw Ferguson in there you know Dave mentioned the the defense the the bigger concern
for me is the run game and lack thereof so you know I I think the uh the the scenario for Dak
Prescott is right in front of him to be in a lot of games where he has to throw the ball and leaning
on the strength of this offense, which
is the receiving core at this point.
So there's a lot to like about it.
That being said, if I'm looking at, I drafted Baker, I'm thinking of the quarterbacks I
have ranked after Mahomes.
So it's Baker, it's Bo Nix, it's Prescott, it's Caleb Williams.
I'm looking at it specifically with, with
Baker, Nix and, and Dak, like I want to pair them with the more mobile quarterbacks that
if they hit, and we've talked about this with the, what we, you know, what we hope could
happen, I forget the name of the show, he's had the, the category, had in the category,
you know, Richardson and, and Fields, you know, again, I put May in that scenario also like if these guys hit
because they'll be close to 700 plus rushing yards and hopefully over 4,000 passing yards like that's hard to find and
So Fields has done that
You know with his legs
Richardson has you know shown us glimpses of doing that with his legs if he can you know win the job and even maybe Daniel Jones
Deserves that because he did that with his legs that won
season two when he was 3,700.
Obviously May was on pace to be the third best Russian quarterback last year, had he
played a full season.
So there's a lot to like about what those guys can be, but if you're looking for the
safe quarterback and another safe quarterback, I just don't think that's the right way to
draft.
As good as Dak can be with his upside, there's just not, I think the the same ceiling that
those other guys can get to if they hit.
All right. So let's talk about running backs. Now it's kind of
a similar conversation with running backs and that there's a
theme. The running backs that you've listed are, in a lot of
cases, handcuffs, you're not finding starting running backs for the most part after pick 100.
Maybe there are some guys that could take the job, but a lot of them really require
an injury.
Well, can I ask one question?
Because I know you said you had the rookies when you sent us your list.
So I didn't list the rookies.
I wasn't looking for them.
Where was Tracy in relation to scatty books?
I know Dave puts scatty bone list.
Sure.
So we're looking at fantasy pros, consensus rankings,
Tyrone Tracy is 86th.
He is RB 28.
Cam Scataboo is 131st.
He's RB 43.
Yeah, that's so much of a disparity that it's,
I think laughable right now.
Do you have to take Scataboo there you're saying?
Of course.
Let somebody else take Tracy and you just take the guy
who might end up being the better of the two. Yeah, all right. I think, you know, you look
at like Jalen Wright is not going to just take the job from Devon H.Han, right? Mason's
not going to, as much as I like him, he's not taking the job from Aaron Jones. It's
going to be Aaron Jones probably getting hurt. So Dave's got this list, Scadaboo, Garendo,
Jalen Wright, Basial Toin, Jaden Blue for Dallas,
Sean Tucker in Tampa Bay, Jarques Hunter for the Rams,
Phil Mafa in Dallas,
Jamie has Zach Charbonne for Seattle,
Jordan Mason from Minnesota,
he also has Isaac Garendo in San Francisco,
that's one that we really like,
and Ray Davis for Buffalo.
So yeah, I think for the most So, um, yeah, I think
for the most part, Dave, we're just talking handcuffs here, but, but what, what else are
we looking for in late round running backs? Obviously players that are going to play.
And it's, it's one thing to draft a handcuff. It's another thing to draft a handcuff that
can still get 10 touches a game.
And that's something that like Jordan Mason might do if Aaron Jones is fine.
Okay.
And what Jamie said doesn't happen and Aaron Jones is still going to be in the role that
he had last year, but Jordan Mason is not only going to be useful as a backup in fantasy,
but if you're in a pinch, you need a flex, you could start them and you hope that he
breaks a couple of long runs on the 10 touches per game that he would get. And I think that there's a
handful, not that many, but a handful of running backs on both of our lists that qualify. I think
Charbonneau is at the top of the list. I love that call because we've seen it. We've seen him work in
tandem with Walker. And then we know that Walker isn't reliable
to play 17 games and when Charbonneau has gotten in there he's been awesome for Seattle and I might
be able to make the argument that he's the more consistent option for what that offense is going
to call for moving forward. So he's somebody that I love a lot. Mason's going to play I think around
10 touches per game. I think Scadaboo could end up starting the year playing around 10 touches per game.
Might have the short yardage role too, because he's such a bruiser.
And then the second that Tyrone Tracy coughs up the football,
Scadaboo could just take off.
So I like him a lot as someone that could be a good late round steal at running back.
But anything that a running back can do
to not only be the guy behind the guy,
but also play in tandem with the guy,
adds value for fantasy.
I agree.
And that's why I like Tajay Spears,
but let me just play devil's advocate.
That's a good one.
Let me just play devil's advocate
because Tajay Spears really wasn't nearly as good
as I wanted him to be
last year.
And if I look at, I was doing this math this morning, right?
I looked at, there were eight games that Spears played.
He only played 12 games all year.
One of them was without Tony Pollard.
One of them, Tony Pollard left with an injury.
And by the way, the one game without Tony Pollard was a great game for Tajay Spears.
Well, he only scored 13.3 points,
but he had 23 touches and over 100 total yards,
just didn't score touchdown.
But anyway, there were eight games
that Tajay Spears played with Pollard
and with Spears not leaving with an injury.
And in those games, he really wasn't very good.
I mean, I don't have the fantasy points per game,
but it was nothing to write home about.
It was a 51-catch pace, so a guy that you could maybe throw in there as a flex
if you need it. But I guess my devil's advocate would be like, do I really care about a player
who might score me seven, eight points in PPR if I need it in a pinch? Or should I just focus on
a guy who has the most upside if the starter gets hurt?
Maybe it's the same guy, right?
Cause you could definitely make that case for Spears.
But-
That's the point to go after a running back
that's the same guy.
Yeah, that would be great.
But for example, Ray Davis might give me pretty much nothing
on a weekly basis, but man, if James Cook gets hurt,
you know, whew, Garendo too.
Isaac Garendo.
Garendo, yeah. I think you're, you know, again, I don't want
to speak for anybody else, but that's kind of the way like I rank these guys. Like, you know,
Jalen Warren's in a much better spot than Isaac Garando, for example, because you know,
Jalen Warren's going to play. TyJ Spears is kind of similar to that. Like if you're talking about
just the handcuffs, like you have to be patient with them. And these are going to be guys that
unfortunately, when it gets to injuries on your own roster or by weeks, you have to be patient with them and these are gonna be guys that unfortunately when it gets to injuries on your own roster
Or by weeks you have to make some tough calls on do you give up on that player?
Knowing like okay, Isaac Arendo is the one player on my team. That's not doing anything
But my gosh if something happens to McCaffrey, he could be a top 20 running back top 15 running back
You know, so there's lots of scenarios that you have to play out when you draft these kind of guys,
you know, Braylon Allen, Ray Davis, and Jaylen Wright, and these kind of guys that aren't
going to do very much, but unfortunately may have league-winning upside.
It's not best ball, it's redraft, and that's why you have to make some of these decisions
when you have a five-person bench, and you suffer these injuries at wide receiver or
quarterback and you can't play these guys because they're not doing anything
So the the seven points, I think that was a number you gave for ties a Spears, you know PPR points
Like this you may need that
I'm sorry. I was I that wasn't anything. I don't know what he averaged. I was just throwing out a number
Yeah, the numbers you're attaching to those guys, you know, if you're just looking at like
Okay, I need a flex for this week because I don't want to cut these guys
then that's something just might have to do as opposed to maybe dropping him
for a Jack best who has a good matchup, you know, for the Raiders and has gotten a couple
targets recently or a key on Coleman or something like that, you know, so it's a matter of just,
you know, your roster construction.
But I think again, you know, if you're playing this out from a draft perspective, you're
drafting these guys with, okay, McAfee played four games last year.
Isaac Arendo is going to be somebody
that I'm heavily invested in.
Dave mentioned Charbonne, what he did last year
when you're really his entire career,
when Walker's missed time.
Like you want to hold onto those types of guys.
Same thing, I think for Jordan Mason, again,
looking at the situation.
So it's a matter of, again, the sliding scale on your bench,
the sliding scale of what those guys are doing
in relation to the starter on their own NFL team and just some of the decisions that you're going
to have to make throughout the course of the fantasy season.
And you always might want to veer toward running backs on teams that are
going to score a lot of points.
Just one of those simple factors that just makes sense.
Would you rather have Tai-Jay Spears on the Titans?
It's a team that's not going to put up a lot of points or, um, you know,
Minnesota should put up some points.
So Mason would be the comparison there.
I think I'll give you again, you know, just,
just the strategy that I had with this, uh, fantasy pros draft,
it was a two receiver, two running back to receive really with two flexes.
And it was half PPR, but I drafted, uh, four receivers with my first seven picks.
And the receivers were Puka, Terry McLaurin, Cortland Sutton, and Jerry Judy.
So I planned to play those four guys.
And my running backs were Christian McCaffrey and Joe Mixon.
And then so looking at the backfield, it was, okay, who can maybe step in if I need it?
So my running backs on the bench right now are Jalen Warren, Jordan Mason,
Isaac Arendo, and I think I may have taken a flyer on somebody else, but, uh,
you see the way that I built this team.
It was okay.
Two high end starters with making sure that I handcuffed.
And I said this when I drafted McCaffrey, you know, Joe Pisa, Pia, one of the
guests we have on, he's the host that Joe, and he said, um, you know, how do
you feel about McCaffrey?
I said, I'm going to make it a point to reach for,
quote unquote, reach for Isaac Arendo, which I did.
You know, I took him probably a round or two
before I needed to, or would have gone otherwise
because I'm the McCaffrey manager,
I wanna lock out that backfield.
You could say Jordan James may be the backup there,
but again, the strategy was have the ability
to use running backs as FLEX, but more so I don't
need them if I don't have to play them, because that's the way I built that roster.
All right.
So then within this discussion, who are some of the guys that you think could just become
the starter for their team?
I think Jaden Blue for Dallas is a kind of...
Scadaboo.
You think Scadaboo?
I think he'sataboo.
I think he's got a shot.
I still think to despite the fumble and the situation there.
I mean, you know, you have a new regime coming in with two
guys that one in particular has struggled or coming off
season, we struggled in the end.
And I don't know if Bigsby's the type of running back that
Liam Cohen is going to want to feature.
And maybe dark horse would be Charbonne.
I had to see the star course. want to feature. And maybe Dark Horse would be Charbonne. Yeah, it's a serious Dark Horse.
I think the Dark Horse is Ray Davis,
if James Cook holds out.
Oh yeah, well that could be.
Okay, all right, let's take a break
and we'll talk about wide receivers and tight ends
going after pick 100 that we like.
Gotta get your next reaction too.
I don't really think we have to do that to be quite honest with you.
We will be right back on fantasy football today.
All right. So I thought Dave, you had an interesting comment about next.
Let's go, Dave. You had an interesting.
I really don't want to do this.
I really I just I don't want to do it.
I just. I don't want to do it.
So anyway, let's go, Panther.
I need to know like I need to know the moments like,
you know, no, there were no moments. I was completely stoic
basically. So, Dave, now it's been 25 years since they've done
anything. Yeah, the Pacers, I swear, man, made a deal with the
devil. They've got to have and I'm not joking when I say this.
They've got to have three of the most improbable wins in NBA history. Well, you saw this stat, right? I didn't see the updated stat
because I didn't want to read it, but I know the first two games in Cleveland down by seven or more
with a minute left, they've won both games and that's only happened three times in like 30 years
or something like that. Yes, they have three of the four with whatever the numbers. And the other one I saw yesterday was since 1997,
teams with whatever the lead was with two and a half minutes
left or 994 and oh.
Yeah. I mean, that's just unbelievable.
Yeah. It's just pathetic.
And I was reminded though, by several people that
the Reggie Miller series where he did the choke sign the
Knicks actually won that series so you see there were Knicks fans chanting
Knicks and four outside the game outside the stadium then the Knicks fans outside
the stadium make me so embarrassed to be a Knicks fan throwing like throwing
garbage at people this dude during the celebration last week or whenever
they beat the celtics threw like a metal pipe or something into a crowd just what was with why why
does everybody become such an idiot uh you know you look at philadelphia when they win the super
bowl they're tearing down posts and things like, what's wrong with people? Oh man. All right, anyway, wide receivers. Dave, you had an interesting realization doing this exercise of looking for
your favorite wide receivers after pick 100. I struggled. I had a hard time coming up with names.
It made me realize that I need to focus more on wide receivers with my first eight or nine picks because I don't like, I don't necessarily,
I don't know how many guys I'm really going to be into drafting at wide receiver from pick 100 on,
especially compared to how I feel about the running backs, the quarterbacks and the tight ends.
We've literally talked about those three positions already. And I'm excited about a lot of those running backs. I've got a
strategy for late-round tight ends. Everybody has a strategy for late-round quarterbacks, and it's deep this year. You
can cherry-pick those guys. Receiver, like, I just have a hard time seeing a name and going, Yes, I love that guy. I
want to have him on my team. But that being said, you can still make the case for a number of receivers after Pick
100.
It just happens to be on my list that the majority of them are either rookie or second
year wide receivers, all of whom I might pull an Acer and cut off my team after the first
few weeks if they're doing nothing to start the year.
And I don't want to pull an Acer.
I want to have guys that I want to be patient with
and carry on my bench all year,
as long as I can until injuries rack up
and then I got to remove them.
But, you know, it just made me want to focus a lot more
on wide receivers earlier in drafts.
All right.
So I am just looking at ADP last year.
And let me just read you some of the names
from Fantasy Pros PPR ADP.
Some of the names of wide receivers who were drafted
after PIC 100.
Yeah, this was drafted, this was ADP.
Lad McConkey, Jordan Addison, Courtland Sutton,
Brian Thomas Jr., Jameson Williams, Khalil Shakir,
Jerry Judy, I believe is on this Shakir, Jerry Judy,
I believe is on this.
Yep, Jerry Judy, Jacoby Myers.
Wow.
Right, isn't that crazy?
Amazing.
Jamie, let's get some names.
So Dave has Matthew Golden, a lot of rookies,
Matthew Golden, Emeka, Buka, Kyle Williams.
Matthew Golden, currently 141st in the rankings.
Yeah, I just, I like that value for a first round receiver.
You have some really deep picks too that we'll talk about.
Jamie has Ricky Pearsall, who's pretty close to 100th,
but he meets the criteria.
Darnell Mooney, you put Coleman when you wrote the email.
I put Tevin Coleman in my notes, but that is Keon Coleman.
How to lose your league.
Cedric Tillman.
So Coleman and Tillman.
Let's talk about Jamie's.
And there's a lot of rookies that I like in this range.
Again, I saw what you said, so I didn't want to.
Right, the rookie value is just,
if there's a rookie wide receiver that you like,
that's not Travis Hunter, Teterola, McMmillan. I'm pretty sure they're all going after
pick 100. Right? Yeah, I mean, you know, you made the case for
Harris. You know, Dave mentioned a buka probably needs an injury,
but certainly worth, you know, drafting or and seeing what
happens the first couple weeks of season Luther Burden, Jack
Bash, for me, I draft him a lot. I think you know, Jane H, Jayden Higgins, you know, we, we were fighting to see who's going
to be the best, uh, Texans receiver last year.
Remember when they, when they had, uh, Stefan Diggs and thank Dell coming up.
I think we all settled on Nico being that guy, but there was a lot of debate and now
they have, you know, Christian Kirk and two young guys.
And I think Higgins is certainly in this range worth taking a flyer on.
Even Chris Kirk, you know,
same thing, so.
I had him on my, I had Kirk on my list, yeah.
You know, there's a lot of guys, you know,
I think Dave's point is valid,
especially as we've seen these draft unfold,
like taking receivers early is a good strategy
because of where these running backs are ending up.
But you should still have the intent of one or two
receivers in this range to be targets
and seeing how they're going to sort of play out throughout the early part of the season
before you make a decision on cutting them.
So again, I'll reference that same draft I did.
I drafted those four receivers where they only drafted a fifth one, which was Besh.
And it was one of my last picks, picks if not my last one because I think
there is a path to targets for him not necessarily first or second on the team
but can be the second wide receiver on his roster so Harris is a guy I know you
like again Higgins is another one that has a chance Burden's gonna be fun
Ibuka might be fun you know there's just a lot of these guys obviously Matthew
Golden you know going in this range is an easy one so there are a lot of these
rookie wide receivers you know like you like you just listed McConkie and
Brian Thomas in this range. Like I don't think they're going to be that good clearly, but
there's opportunities for some of these rookies to be prominent on their rosters.
Well, let's focus on the four guys that you provided. Ricky Pearsall, Darno Mooney,
Kion Coleman, Cedric Tillman. And let's go one by one and tell me what you think the best case scenario is.
It's a tough exercise.
I hate to put you, it's so hard to predict that, but what do you think the best case
scenario is for Ricky Pearsall?
I mean, you saw the last two games that, you know, finally comfortable, I'm assuming with
his health, you know, having to fight through what happened in the beginning part of the
season after getting shot and, you know, being out the beginning part of the year.
What he did was not with Brock Purdy entirely, so keep that in mind.
But, look, this is a receiving core that we've been talking about.
Joanne Jennings could be the best guy there.
Well, what if it was Ricky Pearsall who was the first round draft pick and Brandon Iyook
is not there?
There's just so much to love about the scenario here of what he could be for Kyle Shanahan
and Brock Purdy and you're getting
him not right now at a big discount compared to Jennings.
I think you will get him at a discount compared to Jennings and it's just an easy draft pick
to easy player to target based on his draft.
Darn El-Muni, what's the best case scenario for him?
So he played really one and a half games with Michael Pennex and the first one he had a
13 point PPR game
I don't know if he's going to be as consistent as he was with Kirk Cousins
But you look at this team. So we're doing our outlooks right now, you know
So if you're looking at the player pages on our on our site, we we used to do these for our magazine
I've done our magazine anymore that I
Got the a the AFC South and the NFC South.
Dave, how many years have we been doing Outlooks?
Oh gosh, since we started.
15 plus seasons.
I've never done a team as easy as the 2025 Atlanta Falcons.
There is zero, zero depth to this team.
Right.
And it's bleeping fantastic.
A, to do the the outlooks from
player outlooks for them. And B, they're going to get so many opportunities. Drake London
and Darnold Mooney. Look, Ray McLeod is a good player, but he's not a featured guy for
this offense. Kyle Pitts has an opportunity here, but you look at the two receivers, I
mean, Drake London should easily be north of 150 targets. And
Darnold Mooney had what, 106 last year, if I'm not mistaken. It should be 120 plus. And
so for a number two receiver that you're getting this late, it's just such an easy player to
click on. So the draft that we did on our site, I drafted Drake London and I really
was struggling with, I want to take Darnnell Mooney as well and I should have he went
I think around later Thomas. I'm not mistaken
They're just gonna get so many chances and if Pinnix is
Anywhere close to being as good as he was in college and and in what he showed in week 18
Like they're gonna have monster seasons. Well, see that's the thing. I because I originally I had Darnell Mooney as
It's monster seasons. Well, see, that's the thing.
Because originally I had Darnell Mooney as a guy that,
and I do think, where's he coming in
on this consensus rankings?
Darnell Mooney is pretty low.
He's free.
He is, yeah, that's the thing.
Well, he's 118th.
So that's round 10.
He's not exactly free.
Like Christian Kirk goes right after him
and I would take Kirk ahead of him.
Not me.
I think I got a little bit cold on Mooney
doing some research because because you know, you
mentioned 120 targets. It's very possible that they are more pass heavy, but I would
point out that number B John got off to kind of a slow start. Then they became one of the
most run heavy teams in football. I think they have the third lowest pass rate from
week seven on and just for the season, they were 24th and pass rate. So they were a run
heavy team last year. Ban is the engine for them.
Mooney, like I said, one end zone target,
two green zone, six red zone.
So it'll be a little bit more balanced,
but Drake London is the guy in that area.
And I think it's just this simple fact.
Darno Mooney's been in the league for five years.
He's never finished in the top 30 per game.
So I just don't see him having like a huge upside season.
I think the best case scenario would be like wide receiver 24 per game, which would be
great if you're getting him in the 10th round. But I don't see big, I don't see league winner
potential here.
Do you see that with Kirk?
No, I don't see that with Kirk. I see, I see, I see a better path to wide receiver 24 for Kirk than I do for Mooney.
Do I see it with anyone? I guess I could see it with Golden, like league winning potential.
I could see it with a guy like Golden. You see it with Pearsall for sure.
I could see it with Pearsall, yeah. I guess I could see it with Keon Coleman,
but I could also see him being dropped in three weeks.
I guess I could see it with Keon Coleman, but I could also see him being dropped in three weeks.
So Coleman is an interesting one for me because they didn't do very much to, I think, overhaul
the receiving court.
They did some tweaks.
You know, you lose Cooper, you lose Matt Collins, and I think it's really funny to see how much
of an impact Matt Collins made at the end of the season for Josh Allen and the Bills.
But they did really nothing of huge significance.
I mean, Josh Palmer and Elijah Moore could be nice players for them and can easily outproduce
Keon Coleman based on what we saw.
But I really want to see what Coleman can become.
And you look at the two games before he suffered the wrist injury against Miami, I believe
it was week nine.
He was really starting to get going.
That's right when they traded for Amari Cooper.
He had two very solid games.
And you say this all the time, it's a hundred percent accurate.
Second half of the season for rookie wide receivers is when they start to show, I think
what they're really made of because they're finally comfortable and they're starting to
understand I think the game, the speed of the game, what their quarterbacks want to
do game plans, et cetera.
And then he suffers that wrist injury and he was never the same guy.
Playing time wasn't the same, everything.
And again, it wasn't like there were guys that were just, okay, dominating okay dominating you know Khalil Shakir was solid, Matt Collins was making plays,
it wasn't anybody else really. So I think there's a huge opportunity here for a guy who's got immense
draft capital, big play potential, great quarterback, great system, like he's somebody that I you know
again we talk about drafting receivers really this is a guy that I circle all time,
I want to draft Keon Coleman as much as I can. If he stinks, oh,
well, right, I'll cut him. But if he's what he could be in a
loaded receiver class from a year ago, when he was drafted
had a lot of these guys, like there's still a lot to love
about what Keon Coleman can become.
Okay, yeah, 15 yard a dot, I'd like to see that go down. That's
always a number I look at 15
specifically you just do not find consistent wide receivers with a 15 yard a dot or higher
with very few exceptions guy like Mike Evans has had a couple of seasons where he's had
that kind of a dot and been very good.
I think Tyreek Hill had one but you've got to be a special player because it's just tough
to catch.
He had a 50% catch rate last year 87th out of 89 wide receivers with 50 or more targets.
So I think if Keon Coleman is gonna take the next step,
he's gonna have to lower that eight.
And we see that a lot, you're too.
It could be a lot lower, it could be a lot higher.
Wide receivers really develop more of a game.
So I gotta see that.
Like a poor man's Jameson Williams.
Clearly not as explosive.
Well, you know what?
I went back and I watched some tape today and I think they used him
in those two games. I watched every route he ran in those two games you mentioned before
the wrist injury. He had seven targets in both games. He was very good in both games
and he had a touchdown overturned and they gave him three targets that were sort of back shoulder throws or jump balls either in the end zone
or at the one or two yard line. And he caught one of them. He had one overturn and it was
incomplete on one. I think that's where they're going to go to Keon Coleman. I think he's
going to be there, their back shoulder, their jump ball, their contested catch guy in the
end zone. And I think he's their best bet for end zone targets.
So that I was, you know, and that was like, he had a lot of contested catches in college,
but he also, I think it was pretty bad on contested catches, just that it doesn't separate.
So they're all contested.
But I do think you're going to see that from Coleman.
You're going to see a lot of touchdown opportunities.
He's a big body guy and it makes sense to use them in the end zone.
And guys, I'm very sorry that I've been talking too much.
I have to leave unfortunately for an appointment.
Cedric Tillman's also on the list.
Dave, why don't you finish with your wide receivers,
which were Golden, Ibuka, and Kyle Williams as rookies.
And Kyle Williams going 183rd.
And then Deontay Johnson, Roman Wilson,
and then just Pat Bryant,
who's just kind of like a random name right now.
All those guys are like 250th and later.
The last.
This is for like the deepest of leagues.
That would be Deontay Johnson, Roman Wilson,
and Pat Bryant, yeah.
Pat Bryant, yeah.
And Brian might end up going ahead.
I don't know if Deontay or Roman
are gonna even get drafted in many leagues,
but Pat Bryant is someone that could have a good opportunity, um, in, in
Denver to play right away.
I'm not sure how much they love their receivers other than Cortland Sutton.
Marvin Mims obviously is somebody that could play half the snaps like he did
last year and have some huge boom weeks, but a lot of bus weeks.
Uh, I wonder if they view him like Marcus Colston, just kind of like a
tall, cool character who just does a lot of things solidly.
Kyle Williams in New England could be their number one target getter this year.
We don't know how healthy Stefan Diggs is going to be when he'll be himself,
if he'll be himself and early returns on Kyle Williams have been good.
And we, we always, there's a player every year that gets drafted and we go, well,
why did they take this guy? And that's a Mecca, a buka is that guy this year. And those players always find a way
to end up mattering either because of an injury or something else. And I just wonder if a buka is
going to end up being a factor a hell of a lot sooner than, than we expect for reasons that I
can't justify mainly because I don't
want to justify them. I want Evans and Godwin to be themselves and to play 17 games, but
we know they're older. We know Godwin is coming back from a big injury.
A book can end up mattering and being a reliable number three receiver and PPR. And where are
we getting them? 150 second. It's around 13, man. That's, that's pretty good.
All right. Again, I apologize for cutting the show a little bit short today. The tight getting them 152nd. It's around 13 man. That's that's pretty good.
All right. Again, I apologize for cutting the show a little bit short today. The tight ends that Dave and Jamie were looking at
after pick 100 both of them had Tucker craft on their list. Dave
had Tyler Warren and Jamie had Dalton Kincaid and another guy
as I was watching the key on Coleman tape this morning. When
Kincaid gets targets he pops. He's still pretty talented player, you
know, I just I hope he can get target and Jamie, of course, you
always bring up that he was playing quite injured last year.
So anyway, thanks, guys. And we will talk to you all on Tuesday,
actually, we don't have a show on Monday, it is Memorial Day.
Hope everybody has a wonderful three day weekend. And we will
talk to you on Tuesday
with a new edition of Fantasy Football Today.
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