Fantasy Football Today - FFT Dynasty - 2024 Rookie Rankings + Rookie-Only Mock Results! (05/03 Dynasty Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 3, 2024

Heath Cummings is joined by special guest Zac Reed (0:20) from Dynasty Dummies for an in-depth review of the 2024 rookies prospects. The guys rank the players by tiers starting with running backs (10:...37) Jaylen Wright, Blake Corum, Marshawn Lloyd. Then we get into wide receivers (16:25) like Keon Coleman, Xavier Legette, Ricky Pearsall and (27:30) tight ends. Finally we discuss our recent one-QB rookie-only (31:30) dynasty fantasy football mock draft. In this thrilling rookie draft recap, we break down every pick, strategy, and potential game-changer. Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:27 working on and where they can find you. So I appreciate you having me on. I am a one half of the dynasty dummies. My better half J Mike at J Mike check, uh, host the show. We've been doing rookies for the last four months. We do the dynasty dummies,
Starting point is 00:01:42 rookie hoot nanny. And that all culminated with my film notes going to fantasycares.org i've donated them so yeah thank you for that it uh it's been it's been fun we're in the throes of rookie season yeah you you were talking about four i thought what you said was very accurate we have this marathon of getting to the draft and then for for creators it's a it's a sprint after the draft to get all that content out and accurate as soon as possible. I will say I got my top 50 out on Monday afternoon. By next Monday, there's probably going to be a few tweaks. You get that the rubber meets the
Starting point is 00:02:20 road in rookie drafts and you're like making the decision. Oh, maybe I do like that guy more than this guy. On today's show, we are going to have a review of our one quarterback mock that we did yesterday with the staff or two days ago with the staff, I guess. We're going to rank the running backs after the top two. It seems like everybody knows the top two. We're going to rank the tight ends after Brock Bowers. And we're going to rank the wide receivers after the top six because that seems settled to me. We'll see if it's settled to Zach. As always, we start with three questions for our guest, and we're back to the same normal first question for every guest again. We're out of building up to the draft season, so a lot of
Starting point is 00:03:02 people have answered this question. So many answered super flex that you're not allowed to answer that way anymore. You're starting a new dynasty league. What is your one non-negotiable rule? So I have, I have kind of a two parter where my first one is the people. And I know it's not a rule, but that's always the first Russ Fisher and I are actually kind of hashing out a new Dynasty League right now.
Starting point is 00:03:29 And that was the first thing I said was we need to have a really good set of people in the league because that's what makes the league. But the other sticking point for me is I like to have a really good striation at quarterback. So I like to have a nice QB premium and almost like what Scott Fish did a couple years ago in the fishbowl where he nerfed some of the quarterbacks who throw a lot of interceptions, don't throw for a high completion percentage, that sort of thing. So I know it's a little granular, but I really like that. Yeah, I think like differentiating and it's tough. Like I think the difficulty is figuring out what things to reward
Starting point is 00:04:13 and what things to penalize. And another thing Scott Fish has done is like reward completion percentage. And I'm not sure the completion percentage is actually, Bo Nix might have a 70% completion percentage this year. It's going to be because he never throws the ball more than four yards. I'm not sure that's helpful. Let's go to questions. I always like to throw a little shade to Scott Fish whenever I can.
Starting point is 00:04:31 Everybody's always praising him, telling what a great guy he is, all this good stuff he does. No, he is a great guy. I love him. Who was your biggest winner from the NFL draft? I think J.J. McCarthy has to be because before the, the run up to the draft, he wasn't even talked about in the first round. Then you had the big kind of hype churn after he won the national championship.
Starting point is 00:04:51 And then he ended up in Minnesota with a ready made wide receiving core. I mean, that's how does it get any better than that? Right? No, I think that's it's. And we had this discussion on Tuesday's show with Jacob Gibbs because Gibbs is still has Drake May ahead of JJ McCarthy. And it didn't take very long on Sunday when I was going through everything for me to say, man, I had Drake May like pretty convincingly ahead of JJ McCarthy before the draft. But I think the difference between their situation is bigger than the
Starting point is 00:05:25 difference between the players. Yeah. And I think there is a difference between the players. Like I think the, the overall upside of may is, is greater, but it's going to be a while before you even have a chance to see that. And then as, as you know, with quarterbacks, it's a, it's a 50, 50 at best anyway. And so I'd rather get into the situation and, and McCarthy has it. Well, I think like McCarthy might actually be a starter for you as a rookie. And I just don't think it's fair, no matter what rookie
Starting point is 00:05:59 quarterback you're putting into this situation in new England, you wouldn't expect them to be a fantasy starter. Maybe Jade, Jade and Daniels,iels i guess because he runs enough yeah who is listen we had a few people on this show last year say the name puka nakua out loud we had a few people say tank dell so we like to give everyone a chance to look like a genius who is your favorite player who's going to be available in most of the rookie drafts in round three. So I love Kamani Vidal, and I love the fact that he went to the Chargers. That backfield is, at best, nebulous. And they want to, I think they're going to want to run a little bit more than they have previously.
Starting point is 00:06:43 He is a talented back in a light backfield. I don't think he's as good a pass catcher as what you might think if you look at counting stats because he has multiple 20 reception seasons in college, but he is a good pass blocker. So, man, it won't take much to me if he gets on the field to be a real winner for fantasy. One of those, yeah, ambiguous running back rooms with Gus Edwards, with J.K. Dobbins.
Starting point is 00:07:12 I think those guys, Gus gets the first shot almost for sure. We'll see if Dobbins ever regains his form. But that's a good one. There's a high upside opportunity there. I don't know how much the pass catchingcatching skills matter in a Greg Roman offense because they're just going to run it 750 times anyways, so it'll be fine. I've got one more bonus question. This is either completely random or completely selfish.
Starting point is 00:07:35 I'll let you be the judge. I tweeted this out earlier today. Hypothetically, let's say you're in a 14-team, one-quarterback league. You're a contender, but you're not very deep. Finished second last year, have the 13th pick. No second-round pick for the next couple of years. You get pick 11 through 14 probably next year. There's a team that's ready to rebuild.
Starting point is 00:08:00 The guy has Derrick Henry, Austin Eckler, Devontae Adams, Stephon Diggs, Raheem Mostert, and he sees the end. What package are you pursuing with pick 13 this year, a couple of thirds, and a late round first next year? Who on this list do you want? Or if you wanted to go after all of them to try to build some real depth, what would you offer? Wow. So I think immediately Raheem Mostert, because he's going to be value wise is going to be cheap, but I think you're getting a lot of points for the, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:36 your, your bank for your buck. And then I think I'm probably going to try to target Devanteae Adams, still established, a little older, but again, the number one, he should see 160, 170 targets again this year. So those two, I think you might even be able to get that done for, you should be able to, for less than that first but i i like what you're doing there where and i think that this is part of this uh this draft class where because it's such a good draft class and because the consensus is that this is a good draft class it's a great class to be able to move picks to get proven veterans and and so again i think uh mostert and adams you could probably you say you have a couple of seconds or no i said i don't have any seconds
Starting point is 00:09:34 that's that's that's the big challenge it's pick 13 or it's thirds or it's a 2025 first which i think technically speaking a 2025 first for a team that is good as this one, probably going to be less valuable because you have to wait a year for it. But there's still that upside of maybe my team falls apart and the 20, 25 first is worth a lot. Yeah. Oh, that's, that's tough. So, and again, like, well, I guess here's my, here's my question.
Starting point is 00:10:01 What, what collection of these guys would you give pick 13 this year for uh so i i would i would do that for something like uh eckler and digs um and and because i think you've got a little bit more uh headed forward with digs like i really think digs is going to succeed either in houston this year andward or in Houston and then end up somewhere else. So that's the target that I would, I guess, if you're locked into trading that first. That's the end of me using my platform to try to help my own fantasy teams. Let's take a short break and we will jump into some running back discussion. It's hockey season and you can get anything you need delivered with Uber Eats.
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Starting point is 00:11:34 Your game time tastes like Miller time. Learn more at MillerLite.ca. Must be legal drinking age. So I think there's a pretty easy consensus top two at the running back position. Everybody kind of said, let's wait until we get draft capital, and then we'll decide who we like more. But under the surface, it seemed like everybody thought, man, if Jonathan Brooks didn't have the ACL injury,
Starting point is 00:11:58 he'd be the clear top back in this class. And then he goes the second pick of round two. He's the easy top back for me. T two he's the easy top back for me trey benson the easy second back for me after that man flip a three-sided coin as far as i'm concerned and it comes down to jaylen wright versus blake quorum versus marshawn lloyd do you agree those are the next three backs and do you have a strong favorite amongst the three the only other back that i would put in that group is bucky irving yeah um because i think the the situation in tampa plus his past catching really uh really bumps him up for me it's quorum and i had quorum as my running back one pre-draft so and in a tier i think there were probably five running backs that were really
Starting point is 00:12:47 interesting up at that top tier pre-draft. So for me, it's Corum, it's Irving, it's Lloyd, and then it's Jalen Wright, even though that was a perfect landing spot for him. Yeah. I think that the Jalen Wright one is definitely the widest range of possible outcomes because if it just turns out that HN can't stay healthy and Raheem Mostert's too old, then Jalen Wright could be a league winner. Because it's Mike McDaniel system. I,
Starting point is 00:13:12 I is the Irving thing more about how you felt about him as a player or more about the opportunity because Rashad White's just not been that successful running ball. So I think it's a combination. And I think that it's also the way it can, because I play and primarily it's PPR now anyway, but like primarily PPR and the fact that Bucky Irving to me was far and away the best receiver, the best pass catcher in this class outside of a couple, like maybe Ray Davis was better, but it's pretty close.
Starting point is 00:13:46 And the fact that that scores, I mean, a target is worth three and change times a carry. And I do think that he lands there as probably the best pass catcher in the Tampa Bay backfield. And so I think that there is enough. I call that profile a pass catcher plus. So the guy who comes in who is a potential flex play because of his receiving. And then if there is an injury or something happens where he falls into favor, you've got a lot more upside that way. Okay. So for the next tier,
Starting point is 00:14:25 so you've put Bucky Irving up in that first tier. I had him in tier two with Braylon Allen, Will Shipley, and your guy, Kamani Vidal is, are you jumping Vidal all the way to the top of this group? Or was it just because I gave the round three qualifier? No,
Starting point is 00:14:43 it was just because it was the round three. So it was, for me, with this group, it's obviously Irving, Shipley, Vidal, and then Allen. And Allen just got buried. That was a little disappointing, although I was not as big on him pre-draft as a lot of people. I saw there were some people who had him as the running back. One, he's young.
Starting point is 00:15:09 He had tons of carries, was very successful very early, but he just doesn't, to me, do enough with dynamism, and he doesn't do enough in the receiving game. And so couple that with being buried with Brees Hall and also Isaiah Davis ended up there as well, who is another one of the sleeper darling backs, but a similar between the tackles pounder to Braylon Allen. It's just a lot of the air went out of the balloon there.
Starting point is 00:15:41 No, I think that's absolutely true. Like the thing that was his best quality was that he'd shown that he'd succeed in a workhorse role. And now he landed in a place where there's almost no chance at a workhorse role. Do you think that will Shipley is strictly a third down back, or do you think he's somebody who could ever be a 12 to 15 carry per game guy? I think he's probably, and again, it's a little bit of that pass catcher plus profile. I think he's probably a third down back. I do think he can in a pinch play between the tackles, but I don't think he's ever going to be that, you know, 12, 15 carry guy. It just, it doesn't quite feel that way to me. So we've pretty much covered my top eight, nine running backs in the class
Starting point is 00:16:28 and recovered your favorite pick. That's going to be available in round three. Is there a running back you really like that I didn't include in this group? There is. And I have him up in this group and it's Rashid Ali. And I know that he didn't quite get the capital. He was round five to Baltimore. But he is one of the most dynamic backs in this class. I think that he fell because he tore his bicep at the Senior Bowl. So he had a great start to the week, ended up tearing his bicep. He was fantastic as a freshman, was an interesting, he left the team. He had kind of personal reasons, left the team as a sophomore,
Starting point is 00:17:12 then came back again and was great and is a pass catcher. In that Baltimore backfield, and again, I know Derrick Henry's there, but he is dynamic back and as a fifth round pick. And then Tyrone Tracy went right behind him to the Giants, who's another dynamic pass catching. I have a type. I do. I was going to say, Tracy's another one that I wonder, like, can he be more than the third down back? But the thing that I like for Tracy is it's much easier for me to believe he's going to supplant Devin Singletary than someone's going to supplant the combination of Derrick Henry and Keaton Mitchell, which I was a pretty big Keaton Mitchell fan.
Starting point is 00:17:51 So I think, yeah, the opportunity is probably more there for the Giants. It's just can the player, Tracy, be more than that air back type of back? Yeah. Let's move on to the wide receiver discussion. I said that I thought there was a pretty clear top six. I think you can tell who I'm putting in that list. It's Harrison, it's neighbors, it's Roma didn't say it's Brian Thomas. It's Xavier worthy.
Starting point is 00:18:17 It's lad McConkie. Those guys in some order, I guess. First question. Do you agree? That's the top six and it's pretty obvious. I do. I do. Are those the only six that you're taking in round one?
Starting point is 00:18:27 Or do you have any more round one wide receivers like in a super flex league? Nope. Those would be, those would be the top. And I think probably in a super flex league, maybe McConkie slides out of round one for me just because of the, the way quarterbacks are valued, but, but yeah, the top six, you got them. Okay. So let's move on to the next group and this is not necessarily ordered by my rankings but i feel like with keon coleman with xavier laguette with ricky pierce all we're all kind of fighting the how much do we weigh their draft capital
Starting point is 00:18:59 because most of us have a run a wide receiver that was drafted after then you might not but a lot of us seem to have a wide receiver that was drafted after these guys that we like more than them. But they were borderline first-round picks. So how do we value them? Do you have a clear favorite from this group? From that group, I think it's Pierce-Sall over Coleman over Leggett for me. But again, it's a combination of pre-draft work. And then I think that there are,
Starting point is 00:19:30 within the framework of the position of wide receiver, there are actually probably five different positions. So we kind of bucket that and say wide receiver. But a player like Keon Coleman is more of a traditional X. And I see that fail so much more often than a player who has the ability to slide into the slot and create separation because he's a vertical separator. He's a win at the catch point guy, and I know he's paired with Josh Allen,
Starting point is 00:19:59 but he's still, to me, I would rather have the pure Saul, the guy who gets moved into the slot, gets put in motion, has maybe a little bit has to be schemed for, but is driving short targets, is driving plays where he can get yards after catch and a mass fantasy points that way. So I think that the elephant in the room with Pearsall is obviously that the 49ers were allegedly trying to trade Brandon Ayuk one day of the draft, trying to trade Debo Samuel a different day of the draft, didn't get either of those deals done. And I've speculated that the reason is that the league knows they want to trade those guys and just aren't going to give them what they want. Do you have any concern with Pearsall that we're going to get a year of basically just a red shirt? And does that bother you with a border, like an early
Starting point is 00:20:50 round two pick and a rookie draft? So sure, it is a possibility. It's a distinct possibility. They've got a really full wide receiving core. They have a lot of talented players, even without the full wide receiving core, you've got McCaffrey who is also a receiver so yes Pearsall could red shirt for me in dynasty I will take the the player that I think long term is going to be the more talented player over the short term gain or what i might do in this situation is because it to me is a tier is move back to the back of that tier and have somebody make decisions for me and then gain more draft capital either in this class or another class okay no i think that makes
Starting point is 00:21:38 sense let's talk about the next group because i've got this is where we get into the range of people look at you and say why do you have that guy so high? Because it's Malachi Corley for me in the second group. And honestly, I like him better than some of the guys in the first group. Paired up with Adonai Mitchell, who certainly has his fans, was projected he could have been a first-round pick in the NFL draft. Some people might still want to take him borderline round one in a rookie draft. And Troy Franklin, who was my number four wide receiver before the combine he fell a little bit after the combine he fell more after the nfl draft
Starting point is 00:22:12 but then he fell right into bo nix's arms and that might be fantastic for him so between corley leggett and franklin do you think this is the kind of next tier, or how do you feel about these guys? So this is an interesting group. I actually have one other wide receiver over all of the players that we've talked about. But out of this group, I have Adonai Mitchell and Corley, and they're really close. They're completely different players. Corley is that, you know, the slot receiver who is, man, he's a bulldog once he catches the ball. Actually, I called him a dachshund in my write-up.
Starting point is 00:22:52 But he's got that, you know, he's got that stout build. He's got the ability after the catch. I really like him. It'll be interesting to see what happens in New York with him. Because you've got Rogers and then you've got Garrett Wilson, who's obviously like uber talented, but not much else in that wide receiving core. So it'll be interesting to see.
Starting point is 00:23:19 And then Franklin for me pulls up the rear. I had him at wide receiver 12 to pre- okay and and him falling i he's really dynamic downfield right but i think he is a little bit slight and for a for a player who plays on the outside and plays downfield he has trouble getting off press coverage which to me in the nfl if you're gonna if you're gonna be split out wide you have to be able to do at this point. It's going to be fascinating what Sean Payton does with Mims and Franklin, um, because he's indicated he wants to get Mims more involved. I think both those guys probably better serve to be moving around or in the slot. Um, I think Cortland Sutton can't play both outside wide receiver spots and they might want to trade him anyway so i i don't have much of an idea i just i do fall for the guy getting drafted to
Starting point is 00:24:12 the same team as college quarterback did because those guys are the guys deciding who they throw it to so that that makes me feel better right let's see um i've got two more and we may still not talk about your favorite, but Jalen Polk and Javon Baker battling it out in new England. Um, which listen, I am a pretty big to Mario Douglas guy and Kendrick Bourne still exists. Who's the number one wide receiver this year in new England. And do you have a strong favorite between Polk and Baker? So I don't even know if there is a number one wide receiver in new England. I'm up in Maine. I'm a,
Starting point is 00:24:47 I'm a Patriots fan. I suffered through the rod rust era. So like I've earned it, but now I feel like we're, we're headed back toward that for me. And I saw you, I saw you tweet this out a few days ago and I am on the same page. I had Javon Baker rated higher than I did Jalen Polk.
Starting point is 00:25:09 I think there, even though he was drafted two rounds later, I think that Baker is the better player. It will be interesting to see how that shakes out because he is such a downfield and, and, um, you know, contested contested catch and efficient receiver. And Polk can kind of do everything. And so it will be interesting to see how that shakes out. But if you just ask me who I think the better player is, I think it's Javon Baker.
Starting point is 00:25:40 Who is the best wide receiver I've not brought up yet? So I think there are two and Jermaine Burton with his ability. And I think a lot of the concerns were off field and kind of the, the, the mental issues, him being drafted to Cincinnati with Cincinnati kind of in a little bit of a pinch monetarily headed forward. And with the talk that T Higgins might be a tradable asset this year,
Starting point is 00:26:12 drafting Burton, who can kind of play all over the place. He can be the Tyler Boyd replacement, but then also grow into a bigger role. I really, really like that a lot. And we talked about which group would you place Burton in? So I've actually got Burton in my rankings.
Starting point is 00:26:30 I have Burton ahead of Pearsall. So Burton would be my, my seven. Okay. And so, and again, it was pre-draft. I liked him.
Starting point is 00:26:39 I called him a Mu Drake, London like that. He felt like that little off-brand drake london type player um but but he's my he's my current seven okay and then who was the other one uh the other one oh actually no actually he's the other one dropped so i think the other player that i have that i thought was really talented and i was hoping the Patriots drafted was Tez Walker. Okay. And again, you mentioned the Bo Nix and Troy Franklin.
Starting point is 00:27:14 Having May, having Walker, and Walker was the most talented player on the field by far for Carolina this year. Right. In eight games, he was their best player for the season. So, but having, having him fall and having him fall to Baltimore was just a killer. Right.
Starting point is 00:27:35 Yeah. So no, it's like landing spot does matter for a variety of reasons. And, you know, to some extent, tight ends also matter. If I thought that it was a clear top two or a clear top six
Starting point is 00:27:49 at the running back and wide receiver position, well, there's maybe a two-round difference between Brock Bowers and any other tight end if it's not tight end premium. But the thing that I like is we do have plenty of debate. There's different people have, I think, three or four different guys at tight end two. I had Jacob Gibbs on on Tuesday.
Starting point is 00:28:10 He had Eric Hall at tight end three. He went tight end six in a tight end premium draft that I did the same day. So there's healthy debate amongst these guys. Who are your, like, I've got the next four in some particular order
Starting point is 00:28:23 as Jatavian Sanders, Ben Sennett, Theo Johnson, and Eric Aul. Would you agree with that order? I agree with the four. I don't necessarily agree with the order. I've got it, Sennett, Sanders, Aul, and Johnson. Okay. And, like, they're all kind of in places where we're a little bit uncertain about what their year was, except for Sanders. I think Sanders is probably going to be the starting tight end in Carolina this year, or at least lead them in targets.
Starting point is 00:28:50 But you've got Sennett with the Zach Ertz situation. You've got Theo Johnson with the Darren Waller situation. I guess Eric All has a decent chance. It's just Cincinnati loves to have three different tight ends that all catch 30 to 40 passes. Yeah, and that's catch 30 to 40 passes. Yeah. And that's a tough situation. Yeah. And, and it's, uh, I always go back to, to Peter Howard talking about how targets are earned and because they've got so many good pass catching options, all is going to have to be incredible to earn targets in that offense. And I don't think he does to start. But he is such an underrated player and an underrated athlete for my money.
Starting point is 00:29:33 I mean, he had the injury, and so you didn't necessarily get to see it all the time on the field. But he's a player that I've targeted late in rookie drafts a lot, especially I play in a lot of 1.75 premium. Right. And it's so much worth it. You start looking at tight ends, and it's almost you're looking for talent, but you're looking for talent tied to athleticism.
Starting point is 00:29:57 Right. Because without athleticism at tight end, it really doesn't happen. When you think about Senate's upside, is it tight end 10 in a given year? Is it tight end eight in a given year? Am I too low on him? Or is that about right? I think that's about right. And again, I don't think that matters.
Starting point is 00:30:14 So that's the rub with tight end is once you get past about six, it doesn't really matter. The next 10, 12, 14 are all doing about the same. You're hoping that they catch a few passes, and you're hoping that they score. So it's a different game. And so that's why the way I play tight end is either bully tight end where you go get the Kelsey, you go get the Kittle, you go get the Andrews, the top-tier tight end where you go get, you know, you go get the Kelsey, you go get the, the kid, or you go get the Andrews, the top tier tight end, or I'll scattershot it and start drafting these,
Starting point is 00:30:52 you know, fourth, fifth round tight ends that are athletic. And, and so that's, that's kind of where we're at with that. We call that great or late. And we argue about who came up with that name, but yeah. So I agree 100% get a difference maker or don't spend any resources on it. Do you have a favorite tight end outside of those next four? So favorite is maybe a little bit of a misnomer. I think probably the, the, the person that most people will be interested in is, is Cade Stover, but I don't think the overall upside is there. If I'm going to shoot for upside, there are one and a half players. Jaheim Bell, who got seventh round of the Patriots,
Starting point is 00:31:37 who is not really a tight – he's like an H-back. I think Charles Clay. Do you remember back? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So Charles Clay was like tight end, 8, 10, pretty consistently because they could use him in the goal line. They could use him to stretch the field and get the seam every now and then.
Starting point is 00:31:57 I think that is potentially Jaheim Bell. And then the player that I'm really interested in picking up late is going to be Tanner McLaughlin. And again, another Cincy guy. So it's a bad situation, but big athleticism and an interesting player. There were some people before the draft who thought McLaughlin was the top three or four tight end. So yeah, I think it's something to monitor at least. Let's take one more break and then we're going to break down our one quarterback mock drift the score bet app here with trusted stats and real-time sports news yeah hey who should i take in the boston game well statistically speaking no more statistically speaking i want hot takes i want knee-jerk reactions that's not really what i do is that because you don't have any knees or
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Starting point is 00:33:16 Should have skipped it. Skip to the good part and get groceries, meals, and more delivered right to your door on Skip. So I'll read from Jamie Eisenberg's notes here. He ran this mock. meals, and more delivered right to your door on Skip. one Malik neighbors at one Oh two Caleb Williams at one Oh three to Dan Schneier. And I think we have to stop right there because that is about the highest. I think you will see a quarterback go in a one quarterback rookie mock. What let's say that you just happen to have a pick at a happenstance and you are a good team or, or you're just wanting to rebuild. Like you love Calebaleb williams what's the earliest you can see taking oh man in a one quarterback i probably not but i don't even
Starting point is 00:34:12 think he's the first quarterback i would take in a one quarterback league i i think i would take jayden daniels before i took uh caleb williams even though i think caleb williams is a little more stable right in a one quarterback league you you want to have the horses yep you know and so if i i think probably in this class i might start thinking about a quarterback right at that turn so like 111 112 201 that that area but i'm not thinking about a quarterback in a one quarterback league this early and i think that it superflex has kind of seeped into right the way we value quarterbacks in one quarterback leagues and i'm still firmly that that jj zacharyson disciple of the the late round quarterback and i think you can actually make plays easier back into quarterback for somebody
Starting point is 00:35:06 like kyler murray or somebody like dak prescott that gets you the points you need without having to spend you know the the 103 right yeah i i agree i will say the only exception is that i drafted patrick mahomes when he was a rookie, and I'm pretty happy about that. 104, Roma Dunze. 105, Brock Bowers. Probably not a surprise. 106, Jonathan Brooks. I took him there. In super flex, I'm definitely higher than consensus on Brooks. I think he's going to be a true difference maker,
Starting point is 00:35:39 and the fact that the rest of the class is so unimpressive. Like, man, if you've got a 20-year-old who might be a workhorse back, how's that not a top 10 dynasty running back? So I've got Brooks at six here and one quarterback. I don't think that will get too much debate. But do you hate him over Worthy? Or is it right after the first three wide receivers are gone, he's a possibility?
Starting point is 00:36:00 I think you're in the mix there. I actually really like Xavier Worthy. I had him pre- I think you're in the mix there. I, I actually really liked Xavier worthy. I had him pre-draft as my wide receiver three. I've got him post-draft kind of in a, the same tier as Odunze. And I know people have Odunze a little higher than that as consensus, but again, I don't, I don't dislike the Brooks pick And always, always, always in rookie drafts, I am breaking ties to running backs. So if I have a tier of receiver and a tier of running backs that are right there, it's always going to the running back because I think you're more likely to get instant production and you have the ability to either use that or trade it.
Starting point is 00:36:43 Second half of round one goes Adam Azar with Jaden Daniels. So two quarterbacks in the first seven, then Keon Coleman, which is a big surprise at pick 108, then Xavier Worthy, JJ McCarthy, because it's Thomas Schaefer and he's a Vikings fan, Brian Thomas and Ladd McConkie. I know that's too many quarterbacks for you in round one. Maybe Daniels and Williams slide into the end there. Do you have hope that Keon Coleman could matter in a way like Xavier Worthy or Brian Thomas?
Starting point is 00:37:18 I personally don't, but I've been wrong before. But the type of player that keon coleman is i prefer odunze worthy thomas and mcconkey all of them to to keon coleman yeah i i pretty much agree there let's talk about the top 12 once again marvin harrison malik neighbors caleb williams roma dunze brock bowers jonathan brooks that was my pick. Jaden Daniels, Keon Coleman, Xavier Worthy, J.J. McCarthy, Brian Thomas, and Ladd McConkie rounds out round one. Round two starts with Trey Benson,
Starting point is 00:37:55 then Jalen Wright, then A.D. Mitchell, and Marshawn Lloyd. So this is a little earlier than I've seen the running back run in some of the mocks I've done. This is exactly where I thought the running back run was going to happen before the draft. I'm sure you're good with Benson here. Is it too early for your RB3, whoever that is? I mean, I think you scared him, Heath. I think that's what happened. You know, you took Brooks, and then all of a sudden, everybody was sitting there looking.
Starting point is 00:38:28 We've got to get running backs because there aren't very many left. I don't mind the upside and the players that went around those running backs. I don't have an issue with taking the running backs, but there are a few other players. And we talked that like we talked Pierce, all we talked Burton, like those, those guys I would push up above this running back run,
Starting point is 00:38:53 but I, I don't hate, I don't hate it. Right. So Drake may goes with the fourth pick or fifth pick of round two. I took Malachi Corley. In the super flex draft, I actually just refused to draft him because I wanted to see where he would go if I didn't take him. I think it's going to be early to mid round three, which is a much better value than the middle of round two, but in one quarterback, I can live with it. It goes May, then Corley, then Xavier Leggett,
Starting point is 00:39:20 then Bo Nix. I want you to talk about Corley versus Leggett because the draft capital, obviously much better for Xavier Leggett, but that might be the only thing that's better in my opinion. Yeah. And I think again, Corley is a player who has potential to drive a lot of targets. I think, uh, Xavier Leggett, uh, kind of duplicates two other receivers in Carolina. And I don't think that that's what Bryce, like Bryce Young was so good in college at getting the ball out quickly. Right. And it was very similar to me to when Tua came out.
Starting point is 00:39:57 And you had that first year where he really struggled because he had Devontae Parker and they were trying to stretch the field and have him hold the ball in the pocket. And I think that when Bryce young struggles, it's because he gets interior pressure and, and has to hold the ball longer. I don't think he's very good doing that.
Starting point is 00:40:14 I love the, the Deontay Johnston right there, but Leggett is another guy who is a, a little more of a downfield, not a great route runner, not a quick separator. And so I'm with you. I would take Corley over Leguette. The final four picks of round two, Troy Franklin, Michael Penix,
Starting point is 00:40:40 Blake Corum, and Ricky Pearsall. There were a lot of people dunking on the Falcons for the Michael Penix pick because they'd already acquired Kirk Cousins but from a dynasty perspective this is a guy that a lot of people thought really had some upside and somehow he ends up with eighth overall draft capital you kind of have to draft this guy here, right? Yeah, I think so. And I think if you look at the Cousins contract, and I may have this a little squirrely, but I think it's two years and there's a potential out with like 12 million or so on the cap. And so it's not the worst possible pick for the Falcons. And if you end up with a a solid quarterback at the end of
Starting point is 00:41:26 round two in a rookie draft you're really happy about that i i do wonder and it's it could be impossible to figure out but if you took all the people who drafted jordan love in a one in a one quarterback league as a rookie and i'd like to know how many of them started jordan love this year like how many of them held on to him through that i think in a super flex league the the numbers probably higher but no one quarterback league i'm assuming a lot of people already dropped jordan love they're not going to admit it it's okay let's uh recap round two once more trey benson jaylen wright ad. Mitchell, Marshawn Lloyd, Drake May, Malachi Corley, Xavier
Starting point is 00:42:07 Leggett, Bo Nix, Troy Franklin, Michael Penix, Blake Corum, Ricky Pearsall. I like that Corum pick there at the end of round two. Just real quick, do you think Corum has any chance of unseating Kyron Williams, or is it just an injury replacement?
Starting point is 00:42:23 I think he's actually a better version of Kyron Williams. That was what I saw. He may not be quite the pass catcher. So I don't think it's as set in stone that Kyron Williams is that leader in the backfield the whole way. I like it. Round three. This is where you just go get your guy. Nobody's going to tell you you made a bad pick in round three.
Starting point is 00:42:46 Jalen Polk goes first in round three, followed by Roman Wilson, Jermaine Burton, and Jalen McMillan. Roman Wilson in Pittsburgh for the time being, really only George Pickens to compete with in the receiving room, but there's been some rumors there might be somebody else joining that room. If they try to put Roman Wilson into that Deontay Johnson role, could he be fantasy relevant? Yeah, I think he can be, and I think he can be early. I don't know that he is quite as dynamic a separator as Deontay Johnson in terms of just creating space. But I think he's more dynamic once he's got the ball. And to me, that is one of the, in the third round, Roman Wilson is one of the steals of this draft. Javon Baker goes with the fifth pick of round three,
Starting point is 00:43:37 followed by Bucky Irving, Ben Sennett, and Jatabian Sanders. You like this run right here, don't you, in the middle of round three? Yeah, this is where I'm happy. This is my home right here. Round three. And I think that's a point for people, especially rebuilders. Like a lot of times you might have these veterans that, well, if I wait until during the season, I might be able to get a second round pick when somebody gets desperate. This class is good enough that it might be worth it to just pass that risk on to somebody else, take a dart throw at one of these round three rookies, especially, and that's the thing I don't think we've figured out yet because I'm seeing a lot of different stuff in the mocks we're doing. That will change when
Starting point is 00:44:22 ADP settles a little bit, right? People are not going to want to go too far away from what everyone else has done. And we'll get a little bit more normal. But right now, a guy that might go early in round two or late in round three, and there's not a whole lot of rhyme or reason to it. Well, and it's people love chalk. And today is the first day of rookie minicamps. So the NFL teams aren't even settled on these guys. So we're not there yet.
Starting point is 00:44:49 And I do think, though, if you do kind of, if you're in your mind or on paper, do your own set of rankings, putting those up against ADP, man, you can find some serious value. Yes. Oh, yeah. Go into the draft knowing who is it that you like more than everyone else? Um, and you're just going to continue to like these round three picks. At least the next one, Kamani Vidal goes late in round three, Luke McCaffrey, Will Shipley,
Starting point is 00:45:19 and Ray Davis. Um, other than Vidal, who do you love there at the end? I love Ray Davis, but the situation is a little bit tough. He's there behind Cook, and in a dynamic offense, he's a pass catcher. He can run between the tackles but didn't get draft capital. He was my running back three pre-draft. I really liked Ray Davis. I like this pick, especially at the back end of the third, but you're going to have to probably shine it on for a little bit.
Starting point is 00:45:52 You're going to have to wait. One name we didn't see in that draft, in a one-quarterback draft, I think he'll generally go in the first three rounds, Braylon Allen. And Mr. Scamper is making a very good point that when Brees holds contracts up, Raylan Allen's still going to be 19 years old. He's got plenty of time. He doesn't even turn 21 until 2025.
Starting point is 00:46:13 It's ridiculous. Yeah, he'll be second contract 23 years old. Have at it. And maybe landed in the one place where it just doesn't really matter. This nonsense is going to happen all year because of how good puka was and adam i'm not picking on you luke mcafree has puka vibes um and every wide receiver in round three gets to say that for at least three years right yeah well we're all we're all gonna dig in trying
Starting point is 00:46:42 to find the outliers now but it's even and I know that there were a few people banging that drum for Puka last year, but by almost every metric, by almost every eye, it was impossible to see. It was just this perfect confluence of things that all happened at once. And Luke McCaffrey is a nice player, but let's not get it spun up. Let me read through round three one more time. I know you guys like to hear those names again. So Jalen Polk, Roman Wilson, Jermaine Burton,
Starting point is 00:47:17 Jalen McMillan, Javon Baker, Bucky Irving, Ben Sinnott, Jatavian Sanders, Kamani Vidal, Luke McCaffrey, Will Shipley, and Ray Davis. That wraps up round three. I had one more comment that I wanted to show on here. Zach, we do really appreciate you coming on the show today. I'd like for you to tell everybody where they can find your work. Fantasy Care is chiming in, reminding people that your 2024 Rookie Write-Ups raised over raised over a thousand dollars so thank you for doing that tell everybody where they can find your stuff and what you've got coming yeah so those are still at fantasycares.org slash dummies and it's over 20,000 words 56 rookie write-ups
Starting point is 00:47:59 all of these players I watched between 8 and 16 games. So I've seen them play and really appreciate any donations. Even if you don't want the rookie write-ups, go to fantasycares.org, donate, and you're going to see a lot of this going, leading into the Scott Fish Bowl. It's my favorite part of the community, Heath, and I know you're involved in it too. It's just the absolute best thing the community does. Well, you know what, Zach, we appreciate you being here. We appreciate you doing that work. Appreciate everybody who was here in the chat participating and listening on the podcast. We will talk to you next Tuesday.

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