Fantasy Football Today - FFT Dynasty - 2025 Dynasty Rookie Rankings REVEALED! Must-Draft Players for Your Future Dominance! (04/29 Dynasty Fantasy Football Podcast)

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Starting point is 00:00:46 So the next time you want a cold lager, cold filter, cold package, core's light, just wait until those glorious mountains on the can turn blue! Woo! It's easy to say that fast when you're freezing gold! Welcome to Fantasy Football Today Dynasty. I am your host, Heath Cummings. Joined today by Dan Schneier. Dan, it's always great when you're on the show. But this, and I think you were actually on this show last year. This is this is something I really enjoy because I'm unveiling my top 24 rookies the first two rounds of a super flex draft and I get to hear your thoughts for the first time. I love being on this show. I love talking dynasty Keith I still feel like there is more meat on the bone for a dynasty. So many people who started

Starting point is 00:01:45 this game that I talked to, listened to our podcast, listened to your show, and they tell me like this is my new favorite way to play. Now a lot of those people do it best ball style, which I still am very supportive of, but there are different ways to play dynasty and this is the fun part. Like right after the draft when you get to evaluate these players in their new landing spots and figure out where you want to rank them as you head into your dynasty drafts. I love the dynasty drafts Heath that start this week. I don't like the ones that push it off. I want you to go right into the fire before you get all the information and everything like that.

Starting point is 00:02:12 Yeah. I think I am about 50 50 on best ball versus standard scoring and I'm about 50 50 on one QB versus super flex dynasty leagues. And so I want you to know at the very beginning, if you're in a one quarterback league, when we get to the quarter racks in our Superflex rankings, we will talk about where we would draft those guys in a one quarterback league. What I'll tell you is for me, much, much, much, much lower. I do not think this is a 1QB class for the quarter racks.

Starting point is 00:02:41 So don't get too excited there. What we will do on this show is we'll talk about round one. We'll talk about round two. And then we are going to take some of your rookie questions. You can go ahead and put those in the chat now. You can put those in the chat later. Nobody likes anything more than when I asked Dan a question he's not prepared for from the chat. And then we get to talk about it, but let's jump right in with three questions for our guests. And Dan, I need to share something. I've not told you this yet.

Starting point is 00:03:09 And I almost wanted to have some screenshots of tweets to illustrate my point, but I'll tell you, it's been so refreshing the last couple of weeks to see optimistic Dan on Twitter, like optimistic Dan is my favorite Dan. Anything is possible for the giants in 2025 and you're feeling good. Again, we've got some new players on the giants. Dan's talking about a top 10 defense. I want to talk about the rookies, the giants drafted on offense because they are kind of inflection points in this draft, either at the end of round one or

Starting point is 00:03:45 early in round two. So let's just give me the optimistic case for Jackson Dart in dynasty. So I think it starts with the idea that Jackson Dart has played a lot of football despite just being 21 years old. He said 41 FPS level starts and that includes a little bit at USC and then a lot at Ole Miss and The second part of what gets me optimistic for dynasty purposes Is I remember a story a few years ago when Josh Allen was drafted by the same regime Joe Shane was working with the Bills and one of their top guys behind Brandon Bean and Brian Dable was there and the plan Heath was wow this kid never completed 60% of his past at Wyoming. The tape has some alarming accuracy issues. This is not going to be a guy who plays this year.

Starting point is 00:04:29 We're just going to have him learn and develop. Little did we know plans change. Josh Allen made 11 starts and 12 appearances as a rookie. So I think things can change fast when it comes to this idea that Jackson Dart is taking this whole first season to learn and to not play depending depending on how he looks this summer. And why might he look good this summer? The reason he might look good this summer is because of what he talked about. And this is a great, uh, it's from Dave D, just so for everyone knows, uh, Dave and I did, Dave Richard and I did profiles on these players where we watched six games of film and we did at least six games of film. And we wrote up

Starting point is 00:05:02 a profile detailed scouting report. And within Dave's scouting report of Jackson Dart, Jackson Dart talks about one of the key things he liked about playing in Lane Given's offense, and you could see this as you watch the tape, is it's a top-down offense. It gets you to read high to low. Some of it is half-field stuff and he'll have to work through that, but in the NFL there are half-field reads as well, by the way, but the idea is you're reading high to low. And that's something that's always been important for Brian Dable's system. He had it with Josh Allen. He never had it with Daniel Jones.

Starting point is 00:05:30 He never had it with Drew Lock. He never had it with Tommy DeVito. He had it for a little bit with Tyrod Taylor. But it's the key to making that offense work. It's why they signed Russell Wilson. It's why they signed Jameis Winston. And Jackson Dart has already displayed that ability at Ole Miss, at Ole Miss, the collegial level.

Starting point is 00:05:44 Now, it got him in trouble sometimes. Let me be clear, it's not the right way to be just to always be reading high to low. There were times where he would be intercepted trying to read there. He'd throw into double coverage. He'd predetermine looks. All of this will be determined throughout training camp, Heath, if he's ready to play and see the system. But there are so many times we go into this thing like, ah, this guy can't be ready to

Starting point is 00:06:02 play. He's a one-read quarterback. He's got somewhere to go. And then he just, it just clicks because he, you know, displayed things on the, on the whiteboard that Dable liked and he sees the offense the right way. And that could happen with Jackson Dart. He has the arm talent. He has the running ability. And we know one thing, Brian Dable likes quarterbacks who can run the football.

Starting point is 00:06:20 Jackson Dart can run the football. He had designed runs for Daniel Jones. He even had designed runs for Drew Locke and Tommy DeVito at times. If you look at the tape, that will be a part of the offense. So if this kid plays, he's going to have a rushing floor as well. And remember, in 2022 and at different times with Daniel Jones throughout Brian Dabble's coaching tenure, he made him a fantasy worthy quarterback, like a back end QB1. And that's a very, very, in my opinion, untalented quarterback in Daniel Jones.

Starting point is 00:06:46 What can he do with someone like Jackson Dard who also has that rushing upside, but a much better arm and the ability to hit deep balls. That's remains to be termed. But this is also a quarterback Heath, who among his peers was top and completion rate off target rate sack rate. He only took two point 2.0% sack rate. Doesn't take a lot of sacks. Second best in yards per attempt in the red zone.

Starting point is 00:07:07 And he had 19 throws of 40 plus air yards, 15 of 45 plus air yards over his three seasons at Ole Miss. Some of those off platform rolling to his left showing off the arm talent. This is a big game, big play hunter with rushing ability, rushing upside. So that's the bull case for him there. Now there's the other side of it, which I can get into, but that's right. Yeah. No, I just, I just wanted the optimistic case here today. We'll have plenty of people talking about the, the, the disappointing side of this. Um, I, I will say I put in our group text, what's the over, under a number of starts for Jackson

Starting point is 00:07:37 dart next year. Dan didn't answer. Jamie said four and a half and really no one responded. Um, so that just like, there's varying opinions on what he's going to do this year. And I think the, probably the scariest thing is if we don't see very much of him this year and there's a GM and coaching change, right, there's a real risk. The next regime comes in and they're not a Jackson Dart regime. And then we're, we were in big trouble if we drafted Jackson Dart too early. Let's talk about another Giants pick who wins the Tyrone Tracy cam scat to boo battle. So let me start by saying this just to be clear. And you can find this information all throughout Twitter for weeks ago before this pick was made. I felt like cam scat to boo was one of two players

Starting point is 00:08:22 who was going to be the best value draft pick in this class at the running back position. Skadabu and Harvey. Harvey actually ended up going way earlier than I expected, so you can't even call that a value pick anymore, but for dynasty you can call that exciting. But as for why I like Kam Skadabu so much more than the rest of the class from a value standpoint, is that when you watch the tape, it's not what you expect. You expect to see this, I've heard people say like a Mike All-Star player, a little lighter version of Mike All-Star, just bouncing off tackles, running into tackles, playing that style. Then you watch the tape and you're like, wait a second, he wins the edge a lot more than he should win

Starting point is 00:08:53 the edge. What's that all about? And you watch the tape and you're like, wow, look at how efficient his footwork is. Look at how he uses the jump cuts. Look to create space. Look at how he processes defenses in a really unique way. He's a really unique runner and because he gets so low to the ground and such a low center of gravity, he's only five foot nine, that contact balance is just elite levels. Outside of Ashton Gentry, no one in this class had better contact balance and contact balance is one of the key traits I look for in running backs. Now, what else do I look for as far as stats to kind of project what you can be at the NFL level? It's two things and it's why I was so high on Tyrone Tracy

Starting point is 00:09:26 It's forced miss tackle rate and it's yards after contact per attempt elite in both regards for cam scat about he 12 last 12 games this season 100 plus scrimmage yards the receiving game is beyond belief like this is where I really think he Can step up for the Giants early because Brian Dable talked about some post-trap trap press. Tyrone Tracy former receiver. I'll be honest with you Heath from the tape I've watched of those two, Kam Skataboo is a better receiver than Tracy's more natural receiver. He understands on scramble plays when the quarterback breaks the pocket, how to present a target for the receiver. He can run vertical routes as you saw against Texas. He can run the angle routes. He can run the screen game. He is a really, really dynamic receiver. So what's the upside to me? He can be a more complete

Starting point is 00:10:05 back than Tyrone Tracy over time. Year one, I don't think it's going to happen. Why don't I think it's going to happen? His past production is an absolute mess right now. And when you watch the tape, it's almost comical at times. And I say that with all due respect for Kams Patibu, because he's trying hard in past production and he's just throwing his body at people. That's not going to work in the NFL. It didn't really work at college. Coaches are not going to like that. So how long will that take? That will determine how much he can play as far as dynasty goes long-term.

Starting point is 00:10:33 I'm way more, I'm actually more bullish on cam scab because I think he can be a full every down player, but you think it's probably Tracy this year. Tracy for this year. Yes. Okay. And single-tary is going to be annoying. Let me make that clear for fun. The final question you've seen a few ranking lists, at least mine and Jacob's probably others.

Starting point is 00:10:49 Who do you think is going to be your favorite round three or later pick? This is a rough question for a person like Dan Schneier, who's very not good at things like brevity. I had seven guys listed here. Give me one. Only one. Only one. Only one. If I only get one. Favorite is what favorite means. Yes, I know, but I don't do well with that. JarQuest Hunter, if I only get one. Okay, JarQuest Hunter of the Rams, a little more explosive back.

Starting point is 00:11:15 And you know, fantasy analysts have been trying to replace Kyron basically ever since he got drafted. So. Hunter's profile is really unique. He's got the production. He's got the size, speed athleticism. There's really nothing wrong with it. I think in any other class,

Starting point is 00:11:32 he would have been viewed as a top five, top six back. That's going to do it for three questions with optimistic. Dan, let's take a short break and we will jump into the rankings. Spring is here and you can now get almost anything you need delivered with Uber Eats. What do we mean by almost? You can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parmesan delivered. Sunshine?

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Starting point is 00:12:01 I need deeper than that. My top 50 rookie rankings and tiers are available at cbsports.com. If you're not subscribed to the newsletter, make sure you do that because Jacob Gibbs actually released a top 60 trying to one-up me. I'm gonna have to talk to him about that. Also, I've recently updated not just rookies, but full dynasty quarterback, running back, wide receiver and tight end rankings. As soon as Dan and I finish this show, we're going to do a couple of rookie mock drafts. Jamie's going to post those on the site tomorrow.

Starting point is 00:12:34 So yes, we're only giving you the top 24 on this show, but you go to CBSsports.com and you're going to find our dynasty thoughts on virtually everyone. Let's get to round one. And I'll kind of mention the tier breaks while we go through this. So the first pick in any format, Superflex, Tide and Premium, I don't care what kind of rules you make up. Yeah. Ashton Gentry, and he's in a tier of his own. Number two for me, and again, I wrote this in the article, but I'd really like to just say, I'm going to group two through seven together here. We can argue about the order of two through seven, but that's tier two for me. It's Cam Ward, the quarterback for the Titans now. Travis Hunter, Trevion Henderson,

Starting point is 00:13:16 Omarion Hampton, Tet McMillan, and Quinshawn Judkins. Ward, Hunter, Henderson, Hampton, McMillan, Judkins. That's tier two. Tier three bleeds into round two, but the tier three players who I rank in round one, Matthew Golden, Emeka Egbuka, Luther Burden, Caleb Johnson, and Colston Loveland at number twelve rounding out round once. That's Gentie Ward, Hunter,, Henderson Hampton, Macmillan, Judkins Golden, Ibuca, Burden, Johnson, Loveland, Dan, instant reaction. My instant reaction is I really like how you group this up with tiers of round one. I have a little few differences. I don't know if you want to get into that. The first one

Starting point is 00:14:02 would be I would put Caleb Johnson in my tier one of round one. That's the first difference. The scheme fit is unbelievable with Arthur Smith. And I think the talent is there. He had average 8.4 yards. Quick clarification. I hate to interrupt you, but I just wanna make sure you said tier one of round one.

Starting point is 00:14:16 Of round one. I've got Gentie all by himself in tier. All right, no, no, no, that tier two. That's two through seven, which I like that you did. I like that you showed the difference. And I fully agree with it. Besides having Caleb up there, the scheme fit the 8.4 yards per carry in the fourth quarter wears defenses

Starting point is 00:14:31 down the one cut and go I love the fit with the Steelers. The other guy would drop out of it personally is Queen Sean junk is it's keen Sean or Queen Sean? I don't even know I think keen Sean Jenkins Queen Sean. I don't know. I don't know. I would really like it if you just told me that I was saying it wrong, as opposed to saying, I'm not sure which of these two things I'm just going to say every other one, I think before you, like I, that just leads us right into our next question because I think a lot of people have a problem with me having Henderson

Starting point is 00:15:01 as RB two and that's because my, these rankings are based on full PPR. And I think Henderson playing with Josh McDaniels may just lead all running backs in receptions over the next three seasons. In half PPR, I would certainly have Hampton ahead of Henderson. And I would definitely have Caleb Johnson higher than where he is in these full PBR rankings at RB 11. How do you think the format dictates the order of Henderson, Hampton, Judkins, and let's include Johnson? You know, looking at this before we got a chance, I got a chance to say it.

Starting point is 00:15:42 I was going to say, that's my next problem with it. I want Hampton over Henderson, but I think you made a really good case for it. And that bull case, you can look at the history of Josh McDaniels as a leader. That's all you need. And then just kind of look at their roster outside of Henderson. Who are they going to use for that role? Why would they not use Henderson for that role? Why would they not make that a big part of the offense to give Drake may some easier

Starting point is 00:16:01 solutions, just let him kind of live in an easier life? Like it was so hard for me. It felt like watching his tape last year, given the personnel and kind of the system they ran. I don't want to kill them. Pelt. It was okay, but it just was hard. Uh, so why not give him easy solutions? So I liked the Anderson call as far as the, the next part of it. I still just think Caleb Johnson has so much touchdown upside there and yardage upside there. I still want to put them up there and King Sean Judkins. I, I didn't like as much as others like to personally when I watched him. I think Jacob actually had a really good stat on this.

Starting point is 00:16:30 I want to bring this up. No running back in this class had bigger splits against non power five opponents than against power five opponents getting most of the reduction against the non power five opponents. Then Judkins in this class. And that definitely scares me a little bit. I think I've made this clear many times in the past. My rankings are certainly influenced by Matt Waldman, Matt Waldman, who is also got some pretty close ties to Cleveland and was huge on Nick job and talks about

Starting point is 00:16:58 like that, that whole organization. And he had Judkins as his number two running back in this class before the draft. I like that. So I do think like anytime I'm in the middle of consensus and Waldman, I feel pretty safe. Like this is a safe space right here. If I'm outside of that, then I get a little bit concerned. But I know like I, you should go back and listen to the part one of the running back preview from earlier this month.

Starting point is 00:17:29 And we've shared it on social and on here, like there was a really good discussion between Gibbs and Waldman about Judkins. I think you'll learn a lot. Just listening to that. Let's, let's address something else because one thing on that too, I just want to make clear. I did, cause I only watch one of those games. I did actually like Judkins better in the Ole Miss system than I did in Ohio state. I think it's possible that he could have been playing hurt or just not, you know, quickly assimilating to what Ohio State does. So I think that's an important note to make.

Starting point is 00:17:52 Like he's still a player that I can understand why someone like Waldman would be so high on. So I've got Ward in tier two currently at pick two in super flex. I think if you don't need a quarterback, it's fine to take Hunter or Henderson or Hampton or even Tet at number two. Like there's lots of options, but let's say it's a one quarterback lead. What's the earliest you would draft cam ward? These questions. So it's like, we have him at two and super flex, but I think it's fair and fine and makes

Starting point is 00:18:18 sense because of the need situation at quarterback. That need goes away big time. I feel like when we go to one quarterback even just thinking about our YOLO league like it's very easy to field one quarterback in that league whether that be just a veteran who can get you that floor on a weekly basis. So to me where do I take that second quarterback which for me would be Jackson Dart based on all these landing spots and draft capital specifically at the quarterback position important, probably not until four or five picks into round. No, no, no.

Starting point is 00:18:51 Now ward the first quarterback in one quarterback league. That's what I'm asking. Sorry, sorry ward. I definitely wouldn't take over the two tiers. You broke down earlier. I don't think I take him over anybody until, until maybe after RJ Harvey is probably where I'm thinking. I'm probably not taking him until pick 20. I'm not convinced. I think there's a very

Starting point is 00:19:13 good chance that Cam Ward's going to give you five plus solid years of QB2 production. I'm not sure he's ever going to string together back to back top 12 seasons. And so in a one quarterback league, I feel like I'm drafting a backup and I don't really want to do that until at least pick 20 in a one quarterback league. I want to switch to the other direction though, because Colston Loveland is at the end of round one. In my pre-draft top 50, I think I had him 13th. Now I've got him 12th. But there's a lot of tight end premium leagues out there and several myself. How much higher should Loveland be in tight end premium? So I just want to be clear.

Starting point is 00:19:53 I don't have much experience in tight end premium leagues. I'm not in any currently. I've done them before but it's just not something I'm in currently. So with that said, I don't have a great grasp on it, but I do really like the fit for Colston Loveland. I can say that much. The reason I like the fit so much is thinking about my, I spent so much time watching Caleb Williams last year. He was one of my favorite quarterbacks I've evaluated. And one thing I love about him is the seam. That's the area of the field. I think he can just dominate NFL defense if it clicks for him finally. And if he becomes a better NFL quarterback, because watching him at USC, that arm talent and that velocity that he puts on the ball and the ball placement, it's great to challenge that middle

Starting point is 00:20:28 of the field area just over that second level linebackers and just in between the safeties. And that's where Colston Loveland is gonna live. And he's one of those players that reminds, when I watched Nico Collins at college and then at the senior ball, and I loved him, he was one of my favorite players in that class. I was like, he was held back so much

Starting point is 00:20:42 by how bad Michigan's quarterback play was. I felt the exact same way about Colston Lovin last year once they lost JJ McCarthy. So I love betting on those guys that have that advantage of the stats aren't all there. The production isn't all there, but it's mostly just because of the quarterback play. And I feel that way watching his film. So I'll move him all the way up to the middle of round one in a tight end premium, assuming that that's the kind of value for those types of players. I'm in a two time, a two, two times. That's the way to say it. 2.0 tight end premium league that Jacob Gibb runs where we have to start two tight ends. And I don't think he's going

Starting point is 00:21:13 to, I don't think he's going to make it to me at six, but I'd be thrilled with him at six. And if it's 1.5, then I think you're probably looking at pick seven. Um, but that definitely a top six pick. If you get double the points for tight end receptions. Now I, I've heard more people who I could make the case, he could even hire that's crazy format to start to the thing is though, like. He still has to be a difference maker. Like we talk about people here, you start to tight ends and it makes this big deal. Well, the truth is that we usually get to tight end 10 and that guy's

Starting point is 00:21:46 averaging nine and a half fantasy points per game and tight end 20 averages eight and a half points per game. So there's no difference between the two guys. I've heard more people, it seems that are excited about the fact that Ben Johnson took Colston Loveland than people that are excited about the fact that Ben Johnson took Luther Burden. Luther Burden is an exceptionally talented player who has flaws. I just wonder if maybe we're underestimating even I, as I look at this,

Starting point is 00:22:18 at this rankings, if I'm underestimating the fact that Ben Johnson may just get the very best out of Luther Burden and just not use him in the fact that Ben Johnson may just get the very best out of Luther Burden and just not use him in the ways that he's not good. Is it possible Luther Burden should be in the Hunter McMillan conversation? Without a doubt. I think that's possible. I did his profile for CBS sports.com. Very interesting, unique player.

Starting point is 00:22:40 I felt like when I was watching the whole time that either one we're looking at a Kaderius Tony type thing where, and not to use that name like he's an anywhere similar type prospect Just we're like he's used in a way where they don't trust him as a boundary receiver So that's why they have him in the slot so much 60% of the snaps I believe in Missouri were in the slot or Two that offense and the quarterback situation are kind of why they put him there because it's like Well, this is the best way to get him the football if it's to which I think it very well could be Based on the talent based on how he gets in and out of his breaks, which is really phenomenal

Starting point is 00:23:14 That's where I'm led it to believe we are ranking him too low Ben Johnson to get the most out of him and we spent a lot of this offseason before this Heath talking like is it gonna be GJ Moore in this slot is it gonna be your dunes Who's going to play that Amon Ra same Brown roll? If that's Luther Burden playing that role, like sky's the limit. And I know there's been other talk like, uh, Jameson. I think someone, I heard someone say something about Jameson Williams has a connection to him. Maybe they were teammates or they played from the same high school. I don't know exactly. Maybe you've used them in that kind of role. I wouldn't love that as much, but if he puts him in that slot role, like we could be looking

Starting point is 00:23:45 at insane level production potentially from him. I currently have in my dynasty rankings, um, Luther burden is my wide receiver 31. Okay. I still have Roma Dunze up around wide receiver 19. I liked Roma Dunze up around wide receiver 19. I liked Roma Dunze more. He was drafted earlier, but I'm getting nervous that we don't know who's going to play which of these roles in the bears offense and one of these guys, it might be DJ Moore, the one we all think is the best.

Starting point is 00:24:19 It might be DJ Moore that gets stuck in the less desirable. Sure. What if, what if Luther Burden is the slot guy and all of a sudden we've just way too high on more and I do today. And this is a whole lot of projection production for a team that had a quarterback that really struggled to be on target last year. Like there is a scenario in play. I don't think it's going to happen.

Starting point is 00:24:38 I'm bullish on this offense, but I have to at least accept the scenario, especially playing outdoors in Chicago late in the year, where like this team is not the production profile we expected and there are four different targets that we have to work with, four different talents to work with for targets. So I think there could be a lot of overrating for this offense from us from a ranking standpoint as we move through the next four months of fantasy.

Starting point is 00:25:01 We had a comment in the chat said, finally someone that has it right, Caleb over RJ. Well, let's get to RJ. Let's get to round two of my rankings. And in fairness, I have Caleb and RJ in the same tier as in Superflex. Pick 13, RJ Harvey, the Broncos new running back. Everyone's very excited because Sean Payton took him probably two rounds earlier than he had to.

Starting point is 00:25:23 And really got his guy. Number 14 in the rankings, Jackson dart. We've talked plenty about him. 15 is Jayden Higgins, 16. And this is where I would say there's another tier starting. Jack Besh with the Raiders now, Trey Harris with the chargers. Now Jaylen Milro for the Seahawks, Tyler Warren for the Colts, Cam Scadaboo, we just talked about him on the Giants, Harold Fanon, yes, I know I'm the only person in the universe with him in round two, at pick nine in round two, then Dylan Sampson who

Starting point is 00:25:58 joins Judkins on the Browns, Ollie Gordon who was drafted by the Dolphins, and Jalen Noll for the Texans. I did like the fact that Higgins and Noll, teammates at Iowa State, end up teammates in Houston. So round two in my rankings, Harvey, Dart, Higgins, Besh, Harris, Milrow, Warren, Scataboo, Fannin, Sampson, Gordon, Noll. What are your first thoughts, Dan?

Starting point is 00:26:24 My first thoughts are, this is a lot like how I see this playing out in round two for me. Uh, I'll say a few players. I might be higher or lower on Trey. Harris is a player I absolutely love. I love the fit and I love the player. Obviously this is going to happen sometimes Heath. When I watch so much Jackson dark tape, I'm going to see more of Harris than maybe some other receivers, but he reminds me of somebody who is so much better than the athletic testing shows when you watch him in space Create understand angles and how to create more yards after contact that goes to show that that's in addition to all his route running

Starting point is 00:26:54 All his ability at the top of the break, which is the most impressive I think for among the most impressive among receivers in this class not Travis Hunter level obviously I think with that seat with that team They see something in him that they saw in Lad, which is that ability to get in and out of his breaks and create separation. And with Justin Herbert, that's the perfect kind of receiver you want.

Starting point is 00:27:13 I understand, look, guys like Quinton Johnson, those are not, and Palmer, those are not my favorite type of receivers for Herbert. I want the guys getting in and out of their breaks so that Herbert can anticipate and throw that ball with the velocity he does. So I love Trey Harris. I don't know if I would rank him too much higher. I definitely have him over Besh.

Starting point is 00:27:28 I might have him over Higgins and I probably have him over Dart. Uh, other thing that stands out about this round is Dylan Sampson. Look, I love the talent. I don't under know if I understand the path fully here for a lot of reasons. And it's one of the reasons I'm down on Judkins. I think this Browns offense is going to be trash for a long time. I trust the Fanski and their O-Lines got some pieces, but it's aging. But I don't trust the quarterback situation there at all, no matter who ends up playing

Starting point is 00:27:57 for them at quarterback. And if that doesn't fix itself soon, and I don't know when it would, I guess maybe next year if they can get luck, if Archmanning comes out or something like that. I don't know if I want to buy into players on this offense long term. So I guess that one would stand out to me. And then the last one is Milro. Look, I talked about him with you pre-draft, I believe. I'm definitely high on his fantasy upside.

Starting point is 00:28:17 I don't like the spot and I'll tell you why. It's not that I'm that worried about Sam Darnold long term. It's that when you draft a player at quarterback that late, 93, the history is just not that I'm that worried about Sam Donnell long-term. It's that when you draft a player at quarterback that late 93 The history is just not that you're looking at them for sure to be a starter to get a lot of you know Like that so if a team came up and got him like the Saints got shook at 40 like that was the pick I'm okay with this ranking but given what I now see is project career trajectory from a start standpoint Being it's a little iffy to me when I'm passing on players.

Starting point is 00:28:46 I really like like scataboo, Warren, Noel, who I really love. Even Gordon I like a little bit, even though the fit isn't as good. So I don't know. That's the only one. Those are the big standouts for me. I, I think it's a really difficult thing and it's probably more of a luxury pick. It's probably better if you feel like you don't have any holes because if Jalen Millrow, man, I don't know why I can't say his name today, but

Starting point is 00:29:10 Jalen Millrow can, can play quarterback in the NFL. Holy cow. The lottery ticket you just cashed. You just won two of a rookie. Yeah. You just did everything is awesome. Now. So let's talk about the guy who's right behind him.

Starting point is 00:29:25 You said you really like Tyler Warren. I was a little bit skeptical and I expressed this before the draft about the fact that we didn't really see that much production until he was older than most of the players he was playing against. I was a little bit skeptical that Penn State schemed him up so much and would he go to a place that Penn State schemed him up so much. And would he go to a place that's going to scheme him up as much as they did?

Starting point is 00:29:49 And could he win in just a regular offensive tight end role? Sure. Now I, I actually still kind of like the Colts offensive game plan, but they don't have the quarterbacks to do what they want to do. Whether Anthony Richardson is quarterback or Daniel Jones is quarterback, they might throw a hundred fewer passes than the Bears do this year. And he's got Josh Downs and Michael Pittman, who no matter what you think about them, they earn targets. And so that's why he falls all the way to 19. I had him at 12 in my pre-draft rankings, but he went 14th overall, Dan.

Starting point is 00:30:28 It's fantastic for a tight end. Am I holding his landing spot against him too much? I think so because I actually like the landing spot from a schematic standpoint. I don't like it from the quarterback standpoint. And I'm big on penalizing draft picks for quarterbacks and I've been burned on that. Some of my startups, I drafted Tyreek Hill a few years ago and ended up being okay because I was like, I'll have him tied to my home for his career. This is unreal. This is

Starting point is 00:30:54 the best player in fantasy. Nope, he gets traded a year later. So things change in the NFL. But the reason I like the landing spot, besides not liking the quarterbacks is I feel like watching him at Penn State and how they used him. I feel like when you're, when you're, when you're stiking and you're thinking about drafting a player like this and how you're going to use them, you're thinking about, well, let me think about my quarterbacks, Anthony Richardson, Daniel Jones. They are not traditional quarterbacks who are very good at dropping back and processing the defense.

Starting point is 00:31:20 Daniel Jones for sure is one of the worst I've ever seen at that Richardson. I can't speak to as much. I haven't seen as much of his tape, but I think that's part of the problem. So player like Warren I'm thinking like well if I'm staking I'm like, let me rewatch that 2022 Giants tape when Daniel Jones had his only good season There was a lot of bootleg It was a lot of dump down on slides the tight end slide routes the tight end a lot of that like easy Action layup type throws that we can design for the quarterback So it's like what's my solution for a quarterback who can't process

Starting point is 00:31:46 defenses in a traditional way, get him easy solutions in the passing. Tyler Warren, I think can be lined up in a variety of different roles in line, in the slot and as an H back for easy solutions for the quarterback off of play action. And that's what I think is going to happen with him. So I have the bullish case of he's mostly their whole offense, not in, in a similar way to Broward's last year, but different because Bowers is running like real

Starting point is 00:32:07 intermediate routes and stuff like that. Warren to me will be more of around the line of scrimmage type stuff, but regardless for PPR, I don't care if it's eight to nine touches a game, I don't care how he gets them. And that's my bull case for him. I think they'll have a plan for him and it fits what these quarterbacks can do.

Starting point is 00:32:25 So I know you would take Warren ahead of Milro. What about Harris? No, I love Trae Harris. So no, what about Jack Bisch? Yes. Jayden Higgins. Yes. Jackson Darp.

Starting point is 00:32:37 Yes. So you would be around 15 for him. I didn't have an RJ Harvey question, but I think enough people are talking about them and enough people are talking about them as a round one pick that we should at least discuss. I, people got a little more excited about the Sean Payton thing than, than I did. And partially it's because I don't think I have the same level of trust with Sean Payton that others do.

Starting point is 00:33:01 I don't, I don't necessarily know exactly what role he's going to play. They'll use multiple running backs and he's going to be one of them early on, at least as long as he doesn't do something that upsets Sean Payton. But the value in that offense for a running back is being the guy who gets targeted a bunch and is on the field on passing downs a bunch. You think Harvey is that guy day one in this offense? That's a great question. Day one. bunch and I was on the field on passing downs a bunch. Do you think Harvey is that guy day one in this offense? That's a great question. Day one. I think he can be that guy, whether it's day one or not.

Starting point is 00:33:32 I'm not sold on, but I would lean toward yes. Given what that depth chart and what they have there, mostly because I just think he views him as a player that he needs to have on the field because he's so electric and explosive. I am on the other side of it. I have a lot of trust in Sean Payton. What I really like about Payton when I was watching some Bo Knicks last year,

Starting point is 00:33:48 it's the designs in the run game. Like I remember this from the days, like way back when Sean Payton was the giant soft offensive coordinator with Kerry Collins in the 2000s when I was growing up, the way he designed that run game for Tiki Barber, it was so phenomenal. And I feel like Harvey is not Tiki Barber,

Starting point is 00:34:03 but I see similarities in how they get in and out of cuts and their explosiveness to get to find that crease and just go. And so if you're Sean Payton, you can design swing routes for him. You can sign screens. You can design different ways for him to find that space, find his crease and go. So I'm very bullish on Harvey. He was, again, the player I liked the most in this position from a value standpoint pre-draft, him or Scadaboo. So it's just hard for me to come down off of this. And I will say this, Dave Richard did like a study two years ago when, or I think that was it two years ago. Yeah. When Sean Bain was traded to the, by the saints to the Broncos to be their head coach. And he looked back at like

Starting point is 00:34:37 Sean Payne's entire career, uh, from a fantasy standpoint, a running back position. And there were so many times Heath where he had two running backs performing at a top 12 run art RB level. So it's not like I, the way I reason I like it so much that I don't think he needs a workhorse role to really be effective in fantasy. I just think running backs in this scheme work. Except for the last two years. And then that, that, that as in the case, you're right. You finally came to that study was only up through his time, but to be

Starting point is 00:35:04 fair about his last few years, he said, Javon, Javante Williams, who's just totally shot, I think, after the injuries and like a few other players that people like McLaughlin, like, are they really that good? Like a estimate, you know, now he has RJ Harvey. That's a different level of talent, I think. And that's, that's probably the question that I have the most is how do we, like RJ Harvey, I kind of thought

Starting point is 00:35:26 was like a round four running back, which is not somebody that I'm saying is a difference maker and then Sean Payton takes them early in round two. And so now do we say, oh, he's got round two talent or did Sean Payton just take him earlier than anyone else would? So I don't never believed him to be around for talent personally. I believed him to be round two, three talent. Okay. So you were just a little higher on him beforehand.

Starting point is 00:35:50 I was a little higher on Dylan Sampson. I know Jacob Gibbs was as well. Gibbs basically just buried Sampson. It looked like to me in the rankings after this happened. I guess my question is if you're not necessarily a big believer in Judkins and you were a big believer in Sampson, what's to say that Sampson couldn't just be better than Judkins? I don't think that's going to happen. That's why I've got Judkins higher, but I did like Sampson also.

Starting point is 00:36:17 Well, no, I still want to be clear. I like Judkins tape and I liked his profile way more than Sampson. But I do like Sampson a lot from a talent standpoint I think that gap isn't as far as maybe some might seem or think but it's draft capitalese We know how these teams work when it comes to the capital when you're gonna use that kind of capital at running back like they Used on Judkins. There's a clear vision in mind. There's a role in mind And then what does that leave left for Samson to me? It doesn't leave much So how does that how does that become left for Samson? To me, it doesn't leave much. So how does that become fantasy relevant?

Starting point is 00:36:45 Well, he's such a good player and he's such a freak athlete and such an explosive player, then he needs to get some snaps. So he gets his eight to 10 and they're good snaps. On that offense, with my projection for that offense moving forward, it's just not where I wanna be. I don't wanna be investing in Brown's RB2s

Starting point is 00:37:02 that probably don't even have like a one A one B type upside. So I'm just looking at it now that they were dead last in scoring last year. Yeah. So they're they're probably not going to be worse than that. I think 30 seconds is the floor. Um, so 308 rush attempts for the running backs. looks like. So very, very pass heavy. And you saw 43 targets, 65 targets, 76, you know, about a hundred targets in this offense. I don't think Judkins is probably going to be heavily used on those passing downs. So are we looking at a 250 to 50 split in rushing attempts? Are we looking at 225 to 75? And then if there's a hundred targets available,

Starting point is 00:37:48 could Dylan Sampson be in that Jerome Ford role and be a guy who earns 60, 70 targets? Maybe, maybe. I don't really foresee it. I think he has receiving upside, but I don't think we saw it yet on his tape. And then you said you liked Ollie Gordon. I liked the fact that he landed in Miami with kind of a clear opportunity to be the number

Starting point is 00:38:09 two to HN. And if HN is down, maybe the starter for the Dolphins. Is that kind of how you see Gordon? That's definitely how I see him. And he's an interesting player because the Giants had a pre-draft. So I watched a lot of his tape. He was a much better player, first of all, in 2023 and 2024. I think he might've been playing hurt or just the off the, the Oklahoma state defense was so bad

Starting point is 00:38:28 that he was in such bad game script, his entire 2024 season. That's part of it. But he is somebody who at one point in 2023 was in the Heisman mix because he absolutely dominated with 2300 total yards and 24 touchdowns. Rare players in this class that do that. That's scataboo. That's him. That's Gentie. There only a few players that have those kind of production numbers and when you watch it You can see why to me He reminds me a little bit of watching DeMarco Murray back in the day that style runner high runner doesn't get low but he's good at just gliding in and out of his brain in and out of his cuts and Finding those creases and should play with a little bit more power but has has flashes of like, wow, look at that stiff arm.

Starting point is 00:39:05 He's a big dude and he can at some point play with power. It's a different kind of back than I'm used to Miami drafting with Jaylen Wright and Devin Devin HN. What does that tell me? It tells me that McDaniel sees this and sees a role. McDaniel sees this and sees a role for him. I don't know where that role will be in year one, but I like it a little bit more long-term.

Starting point is 00:39:22 Like you said, let's take our second break. Then we're going to answer some of your rookie questions. I've already got four of them queued up, but you've got time to get more questions in before we finish the show. We'll be right back. And the first question, it's funny that the NFL draft ends. And what do some people do start looking to the 2026 draft? I understand it's an exciting time of year. You want to look forward to that next year is next year's class.

Starting point is 00:39:47 Good enough to reroll later around later draft picks. And I would say if you're talking about round one, the point for me where I start considering that is around pick eight or nine. Um, so you say later picks. Yes. is a round pick eight or nine. Okay. So you say later picks, yes. And in round two, if I'm rolling over to a 2026 second, again, it's probably that same thing, round eight or nine. I'm not gonna give up a mid second for a 2026 second, but I might give up a late second.

Starting point is 00:40:18 Do you have any thoughts on the 2026 class yet, Dan? And does that sound about right to you? That sounds about right. The only thing I will say, cause this is the only early read I have on that class I'm higher on the quarterbacks in this class than this past year, of course But just in general generally speaking that's even if arch doesn't come out. I don't know if arch will Sellers cannot South Carolina could be a fantasy

Starting point is 00:40:41 Absolute beast like could be a guy that we're looking at as the one, one pick in Super Flex. And I know we did that kind of with Richardson. He's a different player than Richardson. He's a much more advanced passer in my opinion. And I love his rushing ability. So I wanna put that out there, but there's players like Nuss at quarterback, who I think would have been my quarterback one in this class,

Starting point is 00:40:58 him or Ward, and I could make the case for Nuss. And there's a few other players that Aller could be. So like with more quarterbacks that should push down more talent, which leads you to believe at least like theoretically that it's better to have those picks than this year. I haven't really studied the running backs receivers, so I don't have much of a take on that other than it's hard for me to imagine the running backs could be as good as this class receivers. It's hard to say,

Starting point is 00:41:22 I haven't studied it enough. Yeah. 10,000 foot view. I would say the quarterback's going to be better next year. The wide receiver is going to be better next year. The running backs are going to be worse next year. And I have absolutely no clue about the tight ends at this point. So don't ask. Better than the guys going at 10 and 14 overall.

Starting point is 00:41:38 Right. Uh, and here's a name we didn't mention. And you didn't say as your favorite round three pick is Kyle Williams being slept on. Williams was not a guy that I had really any sort of strong opinion about before the draft. Then he got drafted by the Patriots and I'm not sure that I have any sort

Starting point is 00:41:57 of strong opinion about now. If somebody said they wanted to draft him at the end of round two, Dan, I'm not sure that I'd really care, but I've got him as a round three guys. He being slept on. I'm so happy you asked some that who asked this question? Let me, let me shout him out. George George. I'm so happy you asked this question earlier. Heath gave me, I have to pick a favorite. I can't pick all my favorite values from day

Starting point is 00:42:15 three. So I ranked them because I knew that might happen before the show. And number two of my rankings after Hunter was Kyle Williams. Why do I love Kyle Williams so much? First of all, I loved him pre-draft, watching his tape. I thought he was severely under-ranked. The way he gets in and out of his breaks in the short game and then that vertical speed when he's breaking the double moves, he, to me, is somebody who could be way better for fantasy than people realize

Starting point is 00:42:38 because of two things. One, look at Drake May's history. Josh Downs in college in North Carolina, their connection was incredible. He reminds me a little bit of Josh Downs, just a little bit smoother and a little bit better long speed to Josh McDaniels and that system. They love to target the slot in that system. Why would this guy not be your slot in the system after what he showed on tape?

Starting point is 00:42:56 So Kyle Williams is somebody I have ranked much higher than consensus. I'm glad you asked him. I could even make the case that I like him more than Hunter and I should have said him first. There you go. Kyle Williams is almost one of Dan's guys. Yeah, he is. I have more guys. I'm going to give you another chance to say another one of your favorite sleepers. Only you're going to have to dig a little bit deeper this time because below ADP 48 position, I'm just going to say right now, we have no idea this early in the process what ADP 48 is going to be so we're going to stretch that definition just a little bit. Who's a few taxi squad sleepers to stash?

Starting point is 00:43:32 Okay, 48. So let me try to look toward that range. Okay, some guys I like this guy might be a little higher than 48 but Bashard Smith, the chiefs running back with more receiver. I listened to their director of player personnel, I forgot his name, a lot or dot or something with an OT at the end of it. And the way he talked about him, he's like, we drafted him because our coaches think he can play right away and our coaches see a role for him. And he's, and he said, whether that is a passing down roll or an every down roll, it was very odd to hear like how high he was on this player. They drafted really late. How much did you look at him before the draft? Not as much as I wanted to, but I was talking to my son about the pick

Starting point is 00:44:13 and kind of explaining what my vision was for what Smith could do. And he says, so like Jerrick McKinnon, I think what he did in that in the chief's offense. Yes. Right. Yeah. Well, exactly what he did in the chief's offense. I mean, it's a similar situation to Tyrone Tracy, right? He converts from receiver and one season has a running back and has 1300 yards like that's what the player personnel guy from the chiefs was like that production is unheard of for somebody who's learning the position And what do we see with Tracy like he was really much better than people expected in year one So I just like that profile a lot, but let's dig a little deeper because he's kind of in the 40s range ranking

Starting point is 00:44:43 Let me go to Corey Kroski Moret. Yeah, there's's dig a little deeper because he's kind of in the 40s range ranking. Uh, let me go to Corey Krosky, Marat. This is a Jacob Gibbs favorite. I never watched him at all until Gibbs came on my podcast and talked about him. Then I watched it. I'm like, I totally understand what you see here on tape. He went to the commanders, Austin Eklers aging. This might be his last year. This is a great fit for a cliff Kingsbury scheme.

Starting point is 00:45:02 Another guy that I don't know if it'll be ranked in this range, uh, sweat, but common un guy, the bears, like I know the bears felt like they got sniped at running back. We'll see. Cause my non guy on tape was unbelievable. He was tire Rutgers offense and he gave them that profile that seems so similar to me with the yards after contact or attempt getting it in, out of tackles. Uh, so similar to, similar to what David Montgomery has given the Detroit Lions and given them with, with, uh, Ben Johnson. I think those were great names. Definitely some of the names I was going to give.

Starting point is 00:45:35 I'll add one more. I think Gibbs talked about him quite a bit before the draft, Tori Horton, big, uh, favorite of Matt Harmon. And we always love Matt Harmon's work on the wide receivers. Horton got drafted by the Seahawks. And so he's another guy who could be available around 48. I'd say like we just gave four names in most drafts. Two of those guys are going to go before 48, but I don't know which two, and you're not going to know which two until it happens. But I think one of those guys in most drafts will be around, around that

Starting point is 00:46:04 point. We've got a question about early in the draft. I have the 103. The dude in front of me is taking Hampton. I don't know what to do between Tet and Travis Hunter. And this is a question that is going to give Dynasty Manager's nightmares, quite frankly. I'll give my outlook on this situation, Dan, then I'd like to hear yours or if it's just the same, then we'll be good to go. But I think it's just about what your risk aversion is. I feel much, much better about Travis Hunter being a fantasy producer because he got drafted on Jacksonville and not Cleveland because they have talked

Starting point is 00:46:45 ever since the draft about him playing primarily as a wide receiver. I think because of what they paid for him, like, I think we're going to see Travis Hunter primarily as a wide receiver early on. That does not eliminate the risk. If he's really going to play a few snaps or a lot of snaps on defense, his injury risk is going up with every additional snap that he plays. If he plays half a season and he's better as a corner than he is as a wide receiver, he might end up playing more as a corner than a wide receiver.

Starting point is 00:47:16 So there is a lot of risk. I don't think McMillan can touch Travis Hunter's upside. And so that's the bet you're making. I feel pretty confident Tepnick Millen's going to give us several years of wide receiver to play and maybe he sneaks into the top 12 at some point. Hunter's probably either going to be a top eight wide receiver in dynasty a year from now

Starting point is 00:47:37 or outside of the top 24. And so it's just all about the risk with those two in my opinion. How do you see it Dan? So you're asking the right or wrong guy, depending on how you look at it, because I was insanely high on Travis Hunter in this project process as a wide receiver. I thought by far and away he had the best wide receiver tape by far and away. I a clip that Thomas put out there, I believe had me comparing him to Justin Jefferson.

Starting point is 00:48:03 I think it was a little it was a little clipped up That it wasn't I wasn't comparing the two players I said I saw shades of Justin Jefferson in his game and that's the route running the ability to get in and out of his breaks The attacking of the football with his hands to me It's a complete profile really the release package off the line of scrimmage. It's phenomenal And now to me, I like the landing spot because yes Brian Thomas is there little competition for targets But that might mean we get some isolated three by one sets with Hunter as a one as the

Starting point is 00:48:29 one on the three by one. And the teams can't really afford to shade the safety there because of Brian Thomas, you want to leave this guy one on one, I guarantee you Travis, Trevor Lawrence will be able to make him pay because this is the type of player that he doesn't really need the ball to be that accurate. He just needs to be near him and he'll come down with a catch. I saw that a lot watching Chaudoir Sanders, I'm going to be that accurate. He just needs to be near him and he'll come down with a catch. I saw that a lot watching should or Sanders.

Starting point is 00:48:47 I'm going to be honest with the situation of watching should or Sanders. So to me, he's the clear one Oh three in this spot. I would personally take him one Oh two. Yeah, I, I, I will pro I don't have one Oh two in any drafts. So I, I, I, but I think that's probably what I would do. Um, I say that I'm going to find a place where I have one, because I have too many leagues and forget what I've got. Uh, Jason wants to know, speaking of 102, what's the value in trading up from 102 to get Ashton Gentile? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:21 The one, the one owner once 102 and 227 firsts. That's a lot, but it's also the 2027 firsts for two years from now. That's future use problem. I will say, I remember when Bijon Robinson came out and Dan had the number one pick in our YOLO league. And I tried a variety of things, definitely at least three first round picks. It might've been more than that. It might've been three firsts and three seconds. I never got close to getting. I don't think Dan that you can get this done

Starting point is 00:49:58 with a reasonable offer. Like I can tell you what the trade chart says, the difference between these two guys is sure But I'm not really sure that's ever going to get a deal done Yeah, that's just the exact scenario of B. John Robinson playing itself over again where no one's gonna get this deal done You could blow them out of the water with some kind of trade to get the deal done I think that's the only way it maybe gets done But I've seen a lot of time in a few leagues where people are trying to get to the 101 and I've seen some offers, my friends have texted me that, you know, they have the

Starting point is 00:50:27 101. They're like, I'm not doing this. Like, and they're not even really considering it. I think that's what ends up happening here. Like who has that 101? They're not, they're, they're listening, but they're not really open to considering a trade. So as far as like this specific, he wants, the one-on-one guy wants 102, to 27 first. If I'm competing, I'm open to doing that. If I'm not like in a competitive position where I'm competing for the

Starting point is 00:50:49 Superbowl, I'm not going to give two 27 first. Right. Let's, let's say you're the Gentie manager though. Yeah. And you earned the one-oh-one last year through being really bad. And so you can take a running back that everyone agrees is the number one pick and have a running back on this terrible roster. Or you can have the 102, which is either Ward or Hunter for you, and add two firsts in 2027.

Starting point is 00:51:15 Are you taking that deal? You know what? I am taking that deal. Yeah. I am taking that deal. I think a lot of the gente people with that first pick are just, like I said, not even considering it. There has to be a point where you, where you do consider what, what it's actually worth. And if it involves the actuality of getting a player right now, that makes me a lot more willing to accept that offer. Like Travis Hunter, somebody I believe in when it's just like a lot of future stuff. That's where I feel like, I don't know. Dale asks a very good question with maybe a little bit of confusion in it. But my question is how much influence does your pre-giraffe belief in the player affect your rankings?

Starting point is 00:51:51 It seems odd to rank a mid third running back in Johnson with Hampton who went mid first, also to a great spot. First off, yes, they're in the same round, but I've got Caleb Johnson at the very end of that round and I've got Hampton four or five spots higher and in a different tier. I think Dan did say he would put them in the same tier though. You liked Hampton more than Johnson beforehand. Did you like Johnson's landing spot more than Hampton's?

Starting point is 00:52:18 Yeah, I love the Johnson landing spot. I understand for PPR, it's a little scary. I even think they could use them in the passing game though. I saw flashes of very natural receiver at Iowa. It's Arthur Smith. I don't want to get too excited, but man, talk about scheme fit, identity that the Steelers are all about, and then just his skillset, which I really appreciated. And forget about all that, or add to all that. They've done a lot of work to improve their offensive line through the drafts over these few years and their offensive line played much better last year and it's going to continue to get better. So I just love the fit there. I will say to answer the first part of the question, I don't know how to quantify that deal.

Starting point is 00:52:58 It does impact it. It's probably why I just basically kept Ekbuka where he was, maybe dropped him a spot in my rankings, landing in Tampa Bay with Chris Godwin and Mike Evans in front of him. And I don't know when he's going to produce, but I know he's good enough. And at some point in the NFL, he's going to produce. It might be wrongly why I still have Dylan Sampson at the end of round two, because I just thought he was a really good running back. And I just kind of figure things will figure themselves out. I think it's easier to do that at wide receiver where the careers are longer than it is at running back. But it's

Starting point is 00:53:32 certainly, I think you're looking at a lot of different things. Draft capital is a factor for sure. How good we think the player actually is, is a factor for sure. What we think about the team he's on and the people who are in front of him are a factor for sure. How we, what we think about the team he's on and the people who are in front of him are a factor for sure, but I don't think I can quantify how much that prior opinion. It definitely. And then here, here's just a statement from Baxter. I don't, I don't actually believe this, but I think it's a guy we didn't talk about yet golden is more talented than a book, a book.

Starting point is 00:54:05 I don't believe that, but I do currently have golden ahead of him because I think golden landed in a place where he could be the wide receiver one this season. And really a wide receiver one ever in green Bay's offense. Here's my thought. Like first off, ask Josh Jacobs. He would say there hasn't been, and it's our biggest problem. It's our biggest problem.

Starting point is 00:54:27 You have a team that goes two decades without drafting a wide receiver in the first round. And in my opinion, came into the draft with four wide receiver twos on their team, and they go spend a first round pick on a wide receiver. I can't imagine you would spend a first round pick on Matthew Golden when you have four wide receiver twos, if you think Matthew Golden is also a wide receiver too. It's fair. So I'm hopeful that Matt LaFour has decided, you know what, we need one guy who is really good.

Starting point is 00:55:01 Possible. And I think there is upside with Golden. I wasn't as high on him as others were personally to me like similar archetype it just because I think about it because I watched them back to back years worthy and golden and same offense I thought worthy was much faster than golden on tape and to me worthy was better at the in breakers and just presenting a target for himself in the middle of the field to chiefs didn didn't really do much of it, then kind of finally started to use him as more of a receiver at the end, which is really good for his upside. Like I love for the dynasty wise, even more than Rashi Rice personally. With that said, Golden is somebody who obviously still has speed and the ability to get in and out of his breaks and create separation. Packers saw that and that works for the floor system.

Starting point is 00:55:42 But then at the same time, I'm thinking about it, you'd'd like they also drafted Savion Williams, who I liked a lot more than consensus because I saw route running upside. What if they have a role for him early? So now he's getting targets. They still use Jacobs a lot in the run game. They become more run heavy as it. So like what, where is that? Like when we're looking for fantasy stars, we got it last year with neighbors and

Starting point is 00:56:00 Thomas, what was one of the big reasons we got it with both those players? It was target. It was volume. I don't know that I see that volume upside for golden. I think if golden hits his upside, he's enough better than the other guy, wide receivers on the roster that those guys just suffer that we don't have four guys in the offense every week getting six targets that maybe there's just a guy getting four now, maybe, maybe Romeo dobs, or

Starting point is 00:56:27 maybe Don Tavian wicks. I mean, Christian Watson's probably not even going to be around for the beginning of the year. Like one of those guys falls off and hopefully we get a few more pass attempts from Jordan love. They were one of the most run heavy teams in the NFL last year. I want to definitely get to this last one because Ben has the, the saints logo in his image.

Starting point is 00:56:46 He's playing in a league half full of saints fans. He has one oh five, one 11 and two oh three. He says, where should I pick Shuck? And Ben, if you've been listening to the show, he's not in my top 24, even in super flex, but I know that when we did the quarterback preview, Dan and Dave were on there and I kind of just gave a top four quarterbacks that I wanted to talk about and they said, no, we've got to talk about Tyler Shuck. So you guys actually are believers in him as, or to a relative extent, to a relative extent, my answer to this would be that Ben, you just need to make peace with the fact that you're not drafting him if he's going before any of these picks.

Starting point is 00:57:28 And I wouldn't even consider him with two or three. I'm with Heath on this one. Well, Chuck, interesting player. I liked him a little bit, I guess more than consensus, but not really. I mean, he ends up going 40 overall. The saints found their guys. I think that's about fair for where he could, that type of prospect could go. I don't, there's rushing upside. He had a four, a four six three and you could see sometimes he has that athleticism. There's arm talent upside

Starting point is 00:57:51 Now he's gonna get a chance to start possibly early. We'll see what happens with that with Derek Carr I'm kind of confused about that whole car situation was like injured But he's not is he kind of just hoping that he can like fake an injury so look cut him He gets to play somewhere else. I don't understand it He was hoping that he can like fake an injury so he'll cut him and he gets to play somewhere else. I don't understand it. But this is not typically the quarterback for fantasy that will work out.

Starting point is 00:58:09 In my opinion, like his speed tested well. You don't see it as much on tape. I don't think he's gonna be a rushing third. He's gonna be a pure pocket guy for fantasy. So you're losing that rushing floor and all the yardage points that come with it. So he has to be a really good distributor to the football and an explosive throw, which he proved he has flashes of, but I'm not sold.

Starting point is 00:58:27 It's going to definitely happen. I'm not sold. It's going to definitely happen right away for the saints. So I wouldn't take them with any of those picks. I have to agree with Dan, as you could already tell. I let's just finish it up with one question because I think it really matters with this whole Derek Carr and Tyler Shuck thing. I'm it's a question from Heath, not from the chat, but Chris Olavi,

Starting point is 00:58:46 he's now 25 years old, so still very young, hasn't quite given us what we were hoping for out of him. Now we don't know who his quarterback is for 2025 or the future. How many of the rookie wide receivers in this class would you rather have than Chris Olave? That's such a great question because I love Olave's talent. How many of these receivers would I rather have? Hunter for sure. Yeah, Hunter for sure. Tet for sure. No. Okay, so and he's your wide receiver too, right?

Starting point is 00:59:23 Okay, so he's your wide receiver too, right? Is he my wide receiver too? Got to think about if I haven't He's probably my wide receiver too, but I can somewhat be convinced that there's a case for Luther Burden But I don't want to go there So I guess I'll put Ted is my receiver too But that just shows that I'm not very high on Ted's fit with the Panthers that that situation. So I think I would take a lot of a over Ted. I've got a lot of a in the golden egg book of range of the rankings.

Starting point is 00:59:58 It's just feeling more and more like the guy that we all think is better than what he produces. But because of circumstances, he just doesn't produce injuries have been a huge factor too. Right. I mean, he'll probably have a season where he has 1200 yards and eight touchdowns stays health, but I, that will probably be the time to sell also. Dan, thank you very much for being here today. Show again, if you want more rookie coverage, go to CBSports.com. We have so much and so much more coming. Dan and I are getting ready to do a mock. Thank you to Claire for making everything work.

Starting point is 01:00:30 Thank you to everybody who was active in the chat. We will talk to you on Friday with a live Superplex startup.

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