Fantasy Football Today - FFT Dynasty - Maximizing Return On Investment: Rookie Trade Value & Strategy! (05/14 Dynasty Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 15, 2024

Dive deep into the world of dynasty fantasy football with our latest episode, where we unveil the keys to seizing control of your league through shrewd rookie trade maneuvers. Join us as we dissect the value of emerging talents like Marvin Harrison Jr (11:05), Caleb Williams (15:28), Jayden Daniels (18:10), Jonathon Brooks (22:34), Drake Maye (30:00), and Ladd McConkey (45:35), revealing the strategies that will elevate your trade game to new heights! Plus, we critique and grade recent dynasty trades submitted by our viewers (50:35), providing valuable feedback and analysis to help refine your trading strategies. Don't miss out on this essential guide to maximizing your dynasty fantasy football success – subscribe now and unlock the secrets to building a championship-caliber team! Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Everything is optimistic. All these guys that I had from last year that I've been stashing are going to break out in 2024. All the rookie picks I just made are going to hit. Everything is awesome. Yeah, that sounds like every dynasty league manager. And then about four months from now, they start freaking out. And six months from now, they start thinking about 2025 the leagues where i'm sad are the leagues where i pushed all in last year and don't have first or second round picks and didn't

win the league that's that's a bad feeling like i i talk a lot about i'm generally all in on winning this year we're all in on stockpiling the future and when you're all in on winning this year and you don't next year is not quite as fun no and that's it's something i'm facing in the dynasty league that we are in together where i pushed all in this past year and came up short in the playoffs and i i got a lot of good veteran players in the trade that i made but i gave up cd lamb and a first to get them and uh it did not pay off for me i'm hoping I can still be competitive this year. Otherwise, it's time to rebuild.

And that's something that is sad. Dynasty managers have to live with that reality at some point. So on today's show, we are going to try to help you people make some trades or help you value these rookies a little bit better, one or the other. We're going to get some of Dave's rookie thoughts since he hasn't been on this show since the draft. We are going to talk about let's make a deal is what we'll call it. I'll go through my top 12 in a super flex rankings

and make some trade offers to Dave and see if he thinks it's enough. Assuming, let's say, he's the contender. I'm the rebuilder. I'm trying to get these rookies from him. He's trying to get pieces to win now. We'll see if he thinks it's enough. Assuming, let's say, he's the contender. I'm the rebuilder. I'm trying to get these rookies from him. He's trying to get pieces to win now. We'll see if that works. And then I asked for some grade the trade options, and I may just have to write a grade the trade mailbag

because on Twitter, you guys sent me like 17,000 trades. So we're going to look at a few of those. Probably not going to look at yours, Dan. You only sent it to us so you could brag about fleecing someone. We don't need to talk about that. What we do need to do is ask three questions to Dave Richard. Dave, who are your favorite rookies that you expect to not be drafted in round one or round two of rookie drafts? Who are our deep gems?

This is your chance to say Pukanakua, and we all tell you you're brilliant in October. All right, so let's... I don't know if I have a Pukanakua yet. I think it's hard to plant that flag in mid-May, but Javon Baker has a pretty clear path to some solid playing time in New England. Nice report out of mini camp that

goes along with what we saw from him at UCF, which is he can adjust to off target throws. And we know he's going to have some quarterbacks, both Jacoby Brissett, Drake may, might not be the most pinpoint accurate of throwers. And I think Jalen Polk is going to be just as good, but I think he'll go in that second round. So you're asking me for after round two. I think that Javon Baker would be one of those guys. And I don't know. I'm giving you another one. I don't know how Luke McCaffrey will necessarily fit in to the commander's

offense, where he'll be. Could he be their number three receiver on a consistent basis? Could he be kind of a, like a, a gadget player that they use 20 times a game and he lines up all over the place? Maybe, but those are two guys that I would begin to take a look at as far as receivers that you can get after round two in rookie only drafts. I love it. And I love Mr. Popinski in the chat, hit that like for your boy Heath or for your boy Dave or for your boy Schaefer. Just hit the like, please. Jerry, you're right. This should be a fun show. Question number two,

Dave, settle the debate. Drake May and what everyone thought before the draft or JJ McCarthy in one of the greatest landing spots I can ever remember. If I've got to pick one for dynasty, it's McCarthy because I feel like that he's a little bit more NFL ready than May. And I love the landing spot. Anytime you're in a position where for the next several years, you're pretty much guaranteed to throw to two of the better playmaking receivers, at least on the young side in Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison. And then you can throw TJ Hockinson in there for however long he stays in Minnesota. Yeah, that's a pretty good fit. And to me, it'll come down to

whether or not Drake May can acclimate his game to the NFL and really become superior in terms of his technique, and the Patriots do a lot to surround him with talent or whether JJ McCarthy stinks. And if, if, if both of those things happen, then may is the right choice. But short of that, I think McCarthy is the better choice. So I'll take McCarthy. I am with you, Dave. I moved McCarthy ahead. I think the day after the draft and I, as I've watched my mocks, it seems like it's probably 60, 40 in favor ofccarthy there are definitely still some drake may truthers i think uh dan schneier definitely belongs in that category he doesn't ever draft drake may because he drafts caleb williams so much earlier but yeah he still believes for sure and it

is like can is the player good enough to overcome the situation or did javon baker and jaylen polk make this a much better situation? And it's, everything's going to be okay. There's also the idea that new England isn't a finished product yet, as far as their offense goes. And next year they take a stellar wide receiver and Drake may is ready to go. And now that offense doesn't look so bad.

So it's not to say that Drake may is a bust and you shouldn't take them. You just, when it comes to dynasty, I like to take what I see now and I believe can carry on into the future. And I think that that's what we can see with McCarthy in Minnesota. I don't think he's going to get unseated as the starter. I don't think he's got a ton to do as far as being ready to play. I like the talent that's around him there. I don't think that's changing anytime soon. So the changes aren't going to be there so much for McCarthy and the changes could come eventually for Drake may, but there's no guarantee that may even be great when those changes come. Lance says the funniest guy on FFT

and the nicest guy on FFT. And I'm honestly like, I thought you were both Dave. So maybe he's just saying I brought both the funniest guy and the nicest guy on FFT on the show. Luke gets the point. He says, who's a vet you can use to get Javon Baker or Jermaine Burton if you missed them in a draft? And we're going to do that with my top 12 later in the show. But he puts DeAndre Hopkins, Amari Cooper, Marvin Mims, those kind of guys. Is that a little bit too rich for Baker and Burton, or are you okay with those? I think if you're deep enough at wide receiver and you're giving up those players, I think you should do it. I don't mind giving up Mims right now for one of

those guys because those players could be better than Mims in 2024. Question number three, it's another debate. Brian Thomas Jr. versus Xavier Worthy versus Ladd McConkie. I've seen all three of these guys go off the board as wide receiver four in rookie drafts. Do you have a strong take amongst these three? I'm taking Worthy first because it's not just because he's a 4-2-1-40 time guy. He's actually a much better wide receiver than just, you know, go long Xavier and go do your thing. Uh, he's attached to Patrick Mahomes for a very long time. And I think that that's a really good spot for him to be in. And it doesn't hurt that he's got some versatility to his game and that he's in a clever offense and should be utilized frequently.

Maybe not as frequently as McConkie, but if you're going to complain about the size profile for worthy, you can do it for McConkie as well. McConkie's offense won't be as explosive. Brian Thomas, I think still has a lot to develop as far as his game goes. Yes. He's tall. Yes. He's fast. No, he's not as polished of a route runner. And yeah, he's lean too. His dad even called him frail while he was playing high school football and his body really hasn't changed that much since. So if I had to rank them, it's Worthy first, McConkie second, Thomas third.

Love it. I do have a follow-up on this, on the Worthy situation because we've had, I wouldn't, I don't know that I'd say we've had rushy rice news recently, but there's little bits of information of maybe this and maybe that none of

it ever seven sounds positive. Does any of that nonsense impact how you feel about worthy this year or long term? Or do you think their roles are so completely different that it's really not going to matter? I, to me it's their roles are different and I don't think worthy can ever become a consistent number one receiver for the chiefs, which is, you know, now am I talking out of both

sides of my mouth? Because I just got done saying, yeah, take them over McConkie, take them over Brian Thomas, but no, he, he doesn't necessarily profile as being a true number one type of alpha wide receiver in the NFL, but I think he can be hyper-efficient. I think he can score a bunch of touchdowns. Think about some of the receivers in Kansas City's past that have been great inside the 10-yard line. Mecole Harmons, even Kadarius Toney. These are guys who are fast.

These are guys that can be used in a multitude of ways. I think Worthy can fit in there, and Worthy can make big splash plays as well. And so I think that he's a much different type of receiver than Rice, who kind of felt like more of a possession type, but still was good in that red zone role for Kansas City last year. I don't know how good he'll be in that red zone role moving forward with all these new additions, and as long as Travis Kelsey's on the field too. We're going to talk more about what veterans you might offer for worthy or what you might accept if you're on the clock when worthy is there.

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Download Bumble and try it for yourself. Okay, so let's explain this let's make a deal game, Dave. Because it's not exactly let's make a deal. But what we're going to do here is Dave is basically on the clock for each of these picks and or has just drafted these players. And I'm going to make him an offer. And some of these guys will do two offers, one for one QB, one for super flex, where I think there's a difference. Some of them will just do one of the offers like JJ McCarthy and Drake may not top 12 guys for me in 1QB anyway, so we won't talk about that format. But let's start with Marvin Harrison Jr. And maybe my most controversial take at this rookie class is that 1QB or Superflex, this is my number one player in the rookie class. I saw yesterday in NFC drafts, high-stake drafts, he already has a first-round redraft ADP.

He's gone in the second round of all of our mock drafts, I believe. So Marvin Harrison, you're on the clock getting ready to take him where you just took him. Somebody in a one-quarterback league offers you Jameer Gibbs and a 2024 second-round pick. Are you taking the deal? I am not. I had this thought on my way into work today, Heath.

How many wide receivers that are, you know, just as highly touted as prospects as Harrison was end up being busts in the NFL? And remember, he was like top of the top as far as like what analysts were saying, draft Knicks were saying. And if you go and you watch any of his games over the last two years, he was dominant in the majority of them. Just so fluid as a route runner, awesome spatial awareness, good vertical to jump and high point receptions that are a little bit thrown too high. Worked with two different types of quarterbacks at Ohio State, thrived with both of them. He's as close to a can't-miss wide receiver as it gets.

And I think about other receivers that I think about that way. You can go back to Jamar Chase. You can go way back to Calvin Johnson. Andre Johnson's another name. I think that he's in that category. I really do. I'd be surprised if he fizzled out and wasn't a great pro. So even though I love Jameer Gibbs and I love his talent profile, and I do think he's got quite a long while to go before he flames out.

I think Harrison is the better pick for dynasty. So let's say that somebody ups the offer. Okay. You're a contender, Dave. I've got ARSB. You throw in your second round pick and I'll give you a monroe for marvin harrison again i i think a monroe is great too but i'm just gonna stick with harrison that's not enough for me to let go of marvin harrison i think harrison to me if we did we did a super flex startup uh-huh we're talking one qb right now and he is my he is my number seven player like arsb round pick in a dynasty startup

so so is arsb i know but i think harrison is going to be better for longer okay you would take jefferson lamb and chase over harrison still i probably would take those guys over harrison what about bijan and bruce i'm taking the receiver okay now let's talk about superflex what quarterback do i have to give you to pry Marvin Harrison away from you? Is his quarterback Kyler Murray enough? No, Kyler Murray is not enough. And listen, I've been, you know, we're, we're starting to do production on our magazine and we write the articles and the outlooks.

And I was assigned Arizona. There's some interesting facts about Kyler Murray that makes him appealing for fantasy managers, regardless of format, but he's 27 years old. If I thought that he really could be an amazing quarterback for the next decade, starting now, then maybe I'd consider it in a super flex, but I can't say that with a straight face. And I think Marvin Harrison does have that type of long, long- term potential to be a great wide receiver in this league i'm happy to hang on to harrison over murray and same for richardson anthony richardson yes definitely the same joe burrow you're getting closer with burrow but i think i'm still going to take marvin harrison so i think the lesson you

take away here is if you were trying to trade for Marvin Harrison, you're going to have to overpay. Like we're talking about now. Harrison. Yes. Joe Burrow. Cinch as a first round pick in a super flex league, a top five quarterback for a lot of people and Dave's on the fence. So let's move on to number two.

I love Burrow. You know, he was another one of these can't miss type prospects. I might go Burrow. I may, now that I'm thinking about it, And I love Burrow. He was another one of these can't-miss type prospects. I might go Burrow. Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe I'd take Burrow over Henderson. Joanna says Kyler should be enough, Dave. And listen, it's funny because I think I can craft a situation. We know how valuable quarterbacks are in super flex leagues.

And if I had a team that I thought was a real contender, except I don't have a second quarterback and somebody offered me Kyler for Harrison, I might do it. Kyler might be just have just as many QB one years left as Harrison has wide receiver one years left. The funny thing is that they're tied together. Let's go to the first quarterback in my super flex rankings. And that's Caleb Williams. I have him as the second pick. Let's talk first because, and Dan wants to come on this show and defend his Caleb Williams take at some point. He talked about it a little bit on the last show. I didn't really put him on the spot. I don't think it's anything he has to defend, although I have made reference in a couple of the mock draft articles

that I wouldn't take Caleb Williams quite that high. He took him third overall in a one quarterback rookie draft. I think he has him as his QB six right now in the rankings immediately. So in a one quarterback draft, you have a quarterback. Caleb Williams is available. Somebody offers you Travis Kelsey and you're a contender. Would you take Kelsey for Caleb Williams? Who's my tight end? Not anybody you really want. He's part of the blob after the top seven or eight. All right. And you, you qualified this as I'm a contending team. I don't have a stud tight end and I do have a stud quarterback. Let's say, yeah, you've got, I'm going to try and squeeze for a draft pick with Travis Kelsey. I would love Kelsey in a second, but if I can't get that, then yeah,

if I'm going for it, it here's the problem though. Here's the problem. If I'm, if I'm trading one Oh two in the rookie draft, I'm not doing it for Kelsey. I'm taking Malik neighbors. But if I've,

if I've somehow already ended up with Caleb Williams on my team, we're talking about, here's what we're, again, we're trying to talk here's what we're, again, we're trying to talk about one quarterback and super flex both right now. We're in the one quarter. I understand. So this is probably like one Oh seven or something.

Yeah. Cause he's not going one Oh two. I'll probably consider that deal at one Oh seven. Let's switch over to super flex. So it's, it is, it is one Oh two and Caleb Williams is available. And somebody offers you Pukunukua and Caleb Williams is available. And somebody offers you Puka Nakua for Caleb Williams. So now this comes down to would I rather have Neighbors or Nakua long-term? Man, Nakua was so good last year. And I think Neighbors will eventually be good.

It's going to sting for a year, but I think I'd rather have Neighbors. Okay. So, and that is, that's a pretty big, like I have neighbors ranked in my dynasty wide receiver rankings as wide receiver eight, Puka's wide receiver six. So it's, there's not a big difference in the ranking there. There is a little bit of a tear break after Nakua for me. And we're going to talk about neighbors in just a couple picks, and I'm going to offer you a veteran wide receiver that's not Puka Nakua. But in terms of Superflex value, Puka or neighbors right there with Caleb Williams for you. Is that correct? Yeah, they're right in that same range. No doubt about it. Let's stay in Superflex. Stick with Jayden daniels who some people i've seen putting ahead of caleb

williams um he is right behind caleb williams for me in the quarterback rankings in the trade chart very little difference i think williams has a better floor daniels has a better upside pretty excited about both as top 12 quarterbacks you are on the clock or let's just say you just took jayden daniels so we can forget about these other players that might be available and you are a contender and somebody says i'll give you jonathan taylor and a 2024 second for jayden daniels would you do that in a one qb super flex and a super flex That makes it a little bit harder. If I'm a contending team and I'm okay at quarterback, what if we quantify it as saying that I've got two old quarterbacks? I've got Kirk Cousins and Aaron Rodgers.

Right. Then you want Jayden Daniels? Quarterback long-term for a sub running back plus a future second. I think I might, especially if I can get Penix for that second. And that's going to be interesting. I don't have Bo Nix in my top 12, so it's possible that Bo Nix is there if it's an early second. It's possible that Penix is there.

I've also done some Superflex rookie drafts already where both Bo Nix and Michael Penix went in the top 12. So there's certainly no guarantee you're getting one of those quarterbacks in round two, but it is a possibility. Comparing, let's jump to Malik Nabors, the fourth pick, because I want to compare him to this wide receiver,

the guy I have ranked right behind Puka Nakua, right in front of Malik Nabors. If you're a contender, would you take A.J. Brown over Malik Nabors? If I'm a contender, absolutely take A.J. Brown over Malik neighbors if I'm a contender absolutely because I can still I know I think I know what I'm getting with A.J. Brown as long as he's an eagle and that's been really good production for the past several years and I think there's gonna he's 27 now I think he's gonna be good for at least another three four years

yes I think the three to four year window, I might say three, I feel confident in and like pretty confident he's going to be better than neighbors for three of the years. Definitely two because next year neighbors probably has a, not even the best rookie quarterback, but a rookie quarterback. And this year he has Daniel Jones. That is a probably worse situation than A.J. Brown started his career in a low-volume offense with Ryan Tannehill, who's at least a better passer than Daniel Jones, in a super flex league.

You are already talking about maybe considering taking Malik Nabors over Caleb Williams if you didn't need a quarterback. Would you consider Brock Purdy over Malik Nabors if you did need a quarterback in super. No, no. And Purdy's great. And I know that he's been very consistent,

but the upside isn't there. I'd rather have neighbors than Purdy. Luke makes a good point. Neighbors has true luck. It's not just Daniel Jones. That's oh, yeah, there's your safety blanket,

but let's move on to number five. This is a, we, we already said that you agree with me, J.J. McCarthy over Drake May. Correct. McCarthy is my number five player in a super flex rookie only league. If you are a contender, though, you're probably not wanting to wait to see if he's good. You'd like to have one of these veteran quarterbacks that you know is good. Dak Prescott or JJ McCarthy? So the knee-jerk reaction is Dak because he's been productive. He was very good last year, obviously.

And the year before, after he came back from injury, he was almost as good. So he's really been on a tear for, let's call it the last season and a half, season and three quarters. The one concern you've got with Dak is, is he going to be able to keep it up after this year? Is he even going to be in Dallas after this year? And so that gives me a little bit of pause. But I think if I'm going for it, again, I'm going to try and squeeze you for a pick with Dak. And I know it won't be any better than a third. But I'm going to want something like that in exchange for McCarthy.

If it's straight up and I really feel like I'm going to win it this year, if I've got Dak's production, then sure, I'll make the trade. But short of that, I think I want to stick with McCarthy long-term. I like it. I like it. Number six, the second, maybe this is the most controversial thing, but over the Marvin Harris and over Caleb Williams in Superflex, but I have Jonathan Brooks as my number four skill position player and my number six player in a Superflex league.

I thought, Dave, and we'll talk about the trades in just a minute, the difference between Brooks and all the other running backs in this class really got even exacerbated a little bit by what happened on draft day and the NFL saying, we don't care that he's coming off a torn ACL. He's still our favorite running back and almost a first round pick. I believed in this guy as the best back in the class. It sounds like he's going to be okay by the time he gets to training camp. Jonathan Brooks is a top 12 dynasty running back for me. Am I just crazy on Brooks?

Or before we talk about the trades, is that an appropriate value? I think I don't mind saying that he's a top 12 running back in dynasty, but he might be like 10 to 12. Yeah. I'm not sure if I'm pushing them all the way into like, you know, this five, six, seven range. And I'm saying that without thinking about all the other running backs that I

might put there. But if I'm comparing them to like, like Bijan and Gibbs last year, he's behind those guys. If I'm comparing them to other stud running backs that are not 28-plus years old, he's behind those guys. I'll give you the two backs I have ahead of him, the two backs I have behind him. We'll just go. This is RB7 through 11. Kyron Williams, Kenneth Walker, Jonathan Brooks, Devon H and James Cook. I might put them ahead of Walker. Cause I just don't know.

I don't know what the opportunities look like for Kenneth Walker, really moving forward that including this year. Right. I mean, I'd like to think that he can be the lead back for Seattleattle i know that seattle's completely revamping their offense i don't know if it means that walker will have even the same exact role that he had last year right so that that makes me a little bit nervous on him so maybe he is in that side that top 10 one quarterback league somebody offers you patrick mahomes for jonathan brooks what say Dave? Who's my quarterback? It almost doesn't matter as long as it's not Josh Allen. Um, I think I'm taking that deal and I want my homes. Mom's just like one of those diamonds and dynasty.

It's a lot different in redraft, obviously in redraft, you know, I don't think so, but in dynasty, hell yeah. I've not found a good way to, to highlight this in my trade chart or my ranks. I just need to fudge some numbers. But I do think there's a chance that there is a big difference between what we're getting from Patrick Mahomes versus the other guys in that conversation five years from now. I'm not sure Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts are going to age near as well as Mahomes. I tend to agree with you.

And certainly the reason for that is because they give you rushing production. And how many rushing quarterbacks are still doing what they're doing when they're 31, 33, 35 years old? Not that all those guys are really close to being 35, but you get my point. As quarterbacks get older. I think the first number you said is accurate. 31. Okay. Yeah. So if that's the case, then yeah, the production should slow down for them, but we've seen, we've seen all three of those quarterbacks progress nicely as throwers. And so if they're not running as much, that should mean that they're

attempting maybe a few more passes per game than they were than in their younger days. Can they make up for it all the way? I mean, it really comes down to who's around them. I think with Hertz, you could say that. I think with Jackson, maybe. And with Allen, I'd like to see them add somebody better than Keon Coleman slash Curtis Samuel slash Marquez Valdez Scantling to that receiving core before I really buy into that. But yes, Mahomes should age like, like Zee fine wine from the French house.

We're going to stick with beautiful Dave. We're going to stick with the quarterback position because if you're watching here on YouTube, you can see on the screen, the quarterback in super flex that I have most closely valued to Jonathan Brooks is his teammate, Bryce Young. Now I've already written this offseason about it. I think Bryce Young's being undervalued a little bit in Dynasty, and we should have more optimism that he's going to be better in year two than seems to be around. I have him as kind of a middling QB2 in Dynasty. What do you think when you see a super flex trade

where Jonathan Brooks gets traded for Bryce Young? I'm nervous that if Bryce Young can't put it all together this year, the Panthers move on because they've got a pretty impatient owner who's just committed a ton more money to a new coaching staff after what he did last year by bringing in all new coaching staff and blowing it up after less than a season. And it makes me nervous for what Bryce Young's career trajectory could be. And because we didn't see much from Young that makes us believe that he can take a big step forward this year, even if he takes a small step forward this year, what happens if he takes a small step backwards the year after? I think I might take Brooks, even knowing that running back shelf life isn't as good

as quarterback shelf life. It's just more about Bryce Young not being able to really get the opportunity or really show that his game can translate to the pros. And I think like we're seeing Brooks in super flex leagues generally go late first round somewhere in that pick nine through 12 range. And as a rule what i've always said is if you have a starting quarterback who people think is going to be starting next year as well which i think most people still think that about bryce young although your scenario is certainly plausible that guy's worth a first round pick in a super flex league like we're talking about maybe taking bo nicks or michael pennix at that one two turn i don't think we think either

one of those guys is worth more than Bryce Young right now. I think they're in the same boat, and that just tells you what Bryce Young's value is. That's unfortunate because he was an early first last year in rookie-only drafts. I'll throw this back to you. Caleb Williams, no question about it, you're going to take him ahead of Bryce Young. Jaden Daniels, same thing. Rank these three. J.J. McCarthy, Drake May, Bryce Young. I'm not sure that Bryce Young isn't behind those guys. I have it ranked. J.J. McCarthy is my number 16 quarterback. You can find all these quarterback rankings on CBSSports.com at the Dynasty landing page on the top right-hand side of the page. Number 18, so two spots behind McCarthy, Bryce Young.

Number 19, Drake May. So I do have those three in the same range. I have Knicks and Pennix like a tier or two below those guys. I get the tier or two below. I think you can make the case for Drake May having a little bit more of that opportunity window open than bryce yes i it's more likely that may is getting a chance to start three years from now than bryce young for sure i i just think like bryce young now has dave canalis who we think is at the very least competent, probably good at developing quarterbacks. Yeah.

He has Deontay Johnson who gets open. Adam Thielen's a professional wide receiver. Like Drake May doesn't have any of these things. Not yet. We'll hope the guys turn into one of those things. Speaking of Drake May, he is the next player at pick seven a pick seven in my super flex rankings. And we're talking super flex only here because in one QB, he doesn't matter in round one for me.

Um, somebody thought I've got him valued the same as Jalen Waddle in a super flex league, not one quarterback, of course, which puts you around, I think, round three, round four in a startup. Is that just valuing him too much because he's a quarterback? Or if somebody offered you Jalen Waddell for Drake May, would you actually have to think about it? No, I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about it because Jalen Waddell, he's going to turn 26 during this season. Last year was a terrible year for him. He still averaged over 14 PPR points per game. We've seen him blow up before,

and I'd like to think that he still has an opportunity to be a team's number one receiver, whether it's Miami or somewhere else. I think I'm going to lean toward Waddell over Drake May. Yeah, I have Waddell one spot ahead of Drake May in the trade chart. So yeah, I would just barely, but I do think it's close enough to where positionally that's the type of player you'd have to offer to somebody that didn't want that quarterback to get into the top seven or eight picks in a rookie draft. Here's the guy I'm probably too low on at pick eight. It's

Roma Dunzey. Everybody else I think has him a couple spots higher than this, definitely ahead of Brooks. And I want to just compare him, the jumping back to one quarterback, to another wide receiver. I've mostly tried to compare across different positions because I don't really understand why people make trades for the same position. But here, this one makes sense because Roma Dunzey in year one, playing with Keenan Allen and DJ Moore and a rookie quarterback, we don't know what we're getting from him this first year. Brandon Ayuk, a consensus top 15 or 20 wide receiver,

would you rather have Roma Dunze or Brandon Ayuk, assuming you're a contender? I'm going to go ahead and double check the age for Brandon Ayuk. And he is, Heath, you're supposed to jump in and double check the age for Brandon Iuke. And he is Heath. You're supposed to jump in and tell me before I can find out. I think 27, 26, 26. This is age 26 season.

And I think, I think he's going to be productive for a long time. And I don't, I can't even say that he'll be in San Francisco the entire time. It'll be there this year, I think. And if he gets traded, what if he gets traded in New England? Then it might stink for a year,

but then at least the Patriots will have the offense to surround Drake May. I'm going to take Ayuk. It's very close between him and Odunze. I'd love Odunze's game, but I think there's just too many question marks surrounding Odunze's long-term. Is he ever going to be the number one guy in Chicago? Probably. Is it going to be this year? Probably not. Is it going to be next year? I don't think so. And IU could be the number one at any time

now. He's got that type of potential to his game. I wish he'd get more targets per game, and maybe he'll get that eventually, just not in 2024. So, and I think the distinction I made at the beginning was if you're a contender, is it close enough to where if you're skewing rebuilding, you'd rather have the young guy in Roma Dunce or you still just take Ayuk? It's close between those two, but I think I'd rather have Ayuk. In Superflex, we're going to talk about somebody who just got paid, Jared Goff, and a 2024 second gets offered to you for Roma Dunze.

You're a contender who needs a quarterback. Goff's now going to be the starting quarterback for the next three years, looks like most likely. We know how these things work. If he goes bad in the next two years, he's done. But looks like he's guaranteed the next three years as a starter and has been very good recently. He's been great. It's because his offensive lines protected him, and Detroit's done a good job of balancing the run with the pass. I'm still going to hang on to Odunze.

I still think that there's – first of all, I think I can get a better quarterback than Jared Goff, even with a second-round pick coming back with him, than what I could get for Odunze. I think I can do better than that. So I'm going to hold out for either a better quarterback or I'll just hold on to Rome. I was going to say, if you have Jared Goff,

see if you can trade him to Matt, who is chanting his name in the chat. Happy to get that second thrown in. I think he would have taken him straight up. And I do think it's interesting. I put out a tweet this morning comparing Jared Goff's first three years to Jared Goff's last three years to Jared Goff's last three years to Trevor Lawrence. And both Jared Goff's first three years and his last three years have been better

than Trevor Lawrence's career. I think Jared Goff is underrated in terms of maybe not as an actual player. Maybe it's because he's been surrounded by Cooper Cup and Amon Ross St. Brown and Sean McVay and Ben Johnson. But the fact remains he's surrounded and Amon Ross St. Brown and Sean McVay and Ben Johnson. But the fact remains, he's surrounded by Amon Ross St. Brown and Ben Johnson and Jameer Gibbs right now. Nothing you can do. Right. I actually have been considering moving him up a little bit in my quarterback rankings. But yeah, it's nice to have that security, but not quite enough for Dave to give up Rono Dunze. We will talk about picks

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And Joey's also chanting Goff's name in the chat. The chat loves Jared Goff. It's just fun to chant his name, I think. Yeah. I don't know if they're going to be chanting his name if his offensive line falls apart, though. No, probably not. Maybe they'll be chanting it for a different reason. So my number nine player in Superflex, Dave already talked about how he's the number four wide receiver for Dave,

number four wide receiver for me, Xavier Worthy of the Kansas City Chiefs. I still think it's pretty likely he's going to get off to a slow start to his rookie year and that he might be kind of playing behind Marquise Brown as opposed to alongside Marquise Brown the first month or two of the season, but still a fantastic long-term landing spot.

But for this year, maybe not a starting wide receiver, so you're a contender. You just drafted Xavier Worthy. The guy a couple picks back wanted him so bad that he sends you Mark Andrews. Are you're a contender. You just drafted Xavier Worthy. The guy a couple picks back wanted him so bad that he sends you Mark Andrews. Are you taking the deal, Dave?

And now we have to check on Mark Andrews age. Is he at the 30? 28, 28, 28. And all these ages, I say this a lot of times on this show, but I'll say it again.

Anytime I give a player's age, it's not today's age. It's week one of the 2024 NFL season. That's your age. I don't care how old you are for the next three months. So that's interesting because I do care about that. I want to know how old a guy is going to be during the year. It's a little bit different if it's like January, but you catch my point. Oh, if I'm contending. So, so what I'm thinking in my mind right now is, all right, I just drafted Xavier Worthy. It probably means I didn't get the chance to draft Brock Bowers.

And if I need a tight end that bad, would I give up Worthy for Andrew straight up? Yeah, I'd be really hesitant, but I don't think I'd be able to get Kelsey for him. Would I want Kelsey for him? I'm not sure. I think I want to hang on to Worthy, but it's so close that I'm still debating it right now as we're talking. How do you feel about this one? Well, every one of these offers that I've put together are based on my trade chart, which is on Sportsline, by the way, you can go get a subscription with the promo code Heath and see a super flex trade chart and a one QB trade chart, which all these trades are near ties on the trade chart. That's why I was putting them to you. And I feel like I've done

a good job every time you're not sure how to answer when you answer really quickly. Yeah. Every time you answer quickly, I'm like, well, I screwed that up. I got to go back to the drawing board. But if it takes you a while, then this is working the way that it's supposed to. Right. I would say that almost all of these trades, I would take the worthy side if I was rebuilding, and I would take the Andrews side if I was contending. And I think more people should look at dynasty trades that way as opposed to I'm winning and he's losing. Let's make both teams win. Sure. And that's the basis of what all of your trade offers should be in Dynasty,

is how can I help this team win while I also help my team? And if you can't do that, if you're only thinking about your team, then you might as well be making offers against a brick wall and hoping that the wall says yes. It's never never going to say, yes, you need to do something that, and this, this works in redraft too. It's got to be a win-win for everybody because this is why people are hesitant to make trades in fantasy. It's the used car salesman thing. Hey, come on. I was a used, I was a used car salesman in a prior life. And you know, this then that people will walk into your dealership and they're not going to want to get ripped off. They don't want to talk to you really best possible deal. And you know this then that people will walk into your dealership and they're not going to want to get ripped off. They don't want to talk to you really.

Best possible deal. And you as a good person, a good used car salesman, you want to help them feel that way. And so that's that delicate balance that you need to have when you make any trade in fantasy football. Yes, this feels like a win-win type deal. However, I think about the career trajectory for Andrews, especially now that Derrick Henry is in Baltimore, makes me nervous that he could ever have another huge season like he had a couple of years back. I'm going to stick with Worthy.

I think even if I'm contending this year, I'll take my chances with a mid-tight end and still carry Worthy on my team, hoping that he can be a dominant receiver. Or not dominant, but a very good receiver down the line. Let's talk super flex because I want to know if this is the point to where the 2025 pick becomes almost as valuable as the 2024 pick. So somebody offers you a 2025 first and Russell Wilson in a super flex league for Xavier Worthy. I need to know a little bit more about what this team looks like.

They are the most mid team you've ever seen. You're not sure if they're going to finish sixth or seventh. I probably am going to take the trade then because I'm going to want that first. It has nothing to do with Russell Wilson. Like he almost kind of just like throw him out of the way. That might not matter very much. Might get a few weeks of him being a decent starter to fill in for a while. Yeah, that's a trade I might make because if it's a team that's in the middle of the road,

there's probably a better than 50-50 chance that that team ends up stinking and you've got a top five pick next year. I would give up worthy for a chance at a top five pick next year. Super flex managers. I hope you heard Dave's reaction to seeing right now. It's the reason I said the 2025 first before I said Russell Wilson's name. That's the reaction. It seems like 75 to 90% of the fantasy football community has to hearing Russell Wilson's name right now.

He is probably the cheapest guy that you could acquire as a QB2 that if he just returns to 75% of what he once was. I think I saw the tweet today. Russell Wilson just had a, and it was in quotes, horrible season, which most people would agree with. He was actually efficient. And finished as QB14, despite the fact that he missed two games. And now he's being drafted as QB32 in my redraft adp he is down bad in the public perception that's a cheap qb2 you can go by for almost nothing we'll get to my player number 10 in super flex now and there are definitely some brock bowers believers who

think i have him way too low brock bowers in a one quarterback league. You're a contender, Dave. Somebody offers you says, you know what, Dave, you can have the former Raider, Josh Jacobs. I want the current Raider Brock Bowers. What do you say? I'm a big Bowers backer. So I'm going to keep Bowers over Jacobs as much as I love the landing spot for Jacobs. I think I'm the highest among you, me, and Jamie Eisenberg on our rankings on Jacobs and redraft. I want the long-term differentiator at tight end. I think that Bowers can be that. I think he's last year showed, all right, he's awesome in short area situations.

He had a lot of short targets. It might have been because he played with an ankle injury. I've seen enough of him at Georgia where he's making plays further down the field. I think he's going to be used as a top wide receiver type tight end in Las Vegas. He's not there to block. He's there to catch and make plays and be a matchup nightmare. And once Devontae Adams is gone from Las Vegas, the door's open for Bowers to lead that team in targets for like six straight years. I can't give that up for Josh Jacobs. I do think that there will be some people who are going to pass on Bowers in rookie drafts

because they drafted Kyle Pitts three years ago, first overall in their rookie draft, or because they were disappointed that they took Dalton Kincaid in the first round of their rookie draft last year, and now Sam Laporta is the best, most valuable tight end. Like there are some people like, like myself that are a little bit more leery of the first round tight ends. But I think for the most part, Dave's opinion is the one you're going to get.

Let's just, we'll move a little bit ahead of Josh Jacobs. Cause I wonder if it would matter if I had offered you James cook for Brock Bowers, you're still taking Bowers. I'm still taking Bowers. Kyron Williams. for Brock Bowers. You're still taking Bowers? I'm still taking Bowers. Kyron Williams? Yes, Bowers.

So I have to go all the way up to like a Travis Etienne? I still might take Bowers. Okay, so that's my number six running back in Dynasty. Dave's basically valuing Brock Bowers as a top five Dynasty running back, and I don't think that's that outlandish compared to how other people feel. It's good to have some, some Bowers backers on the show because I've not been the biggest one. Brian Thomas is my number 11 player in a super flex league.

Let's go back to the same guy. Now we're not throwing a second on top. Brian Thomas jr. Or Jared golf. I'll take, I'll take Thomas over Goff. I think I might take Thomas even if you did throw in the second. Is this a – because you didn't seem real excited about Brian Thomas.

Are you just not very excited about having Jared Goff as your QB2? Yeah, it's more about Jared Goff than it is about Brian Thomas. It's, okay, here's a wide receiver that could have a nice productive career. He's got the type of game that lasts a long time in the NFL speed sticks around. Think about how long Ted Ginn played in the national football. I'd much rather have Jared golf and Ted Ginn though. Well, of course you would now. And honestly, like Ted Ginn's career, wasn't some amazing career. He had one big year and shorter than that. Of course, you'd rather have Jared Goff's career than Ted Ginn's career when we're talking about our dynasty teams. But it's more about Brian Thomas could have a better early career than Ted Ginn and then still manage to stick around.

And MVS just got a deal after one of the crummiest years that a receiver could have in Kansas City. And he just got a new deal where he might get some serious playing time in Buffalo. I don't know what's going to happen there, but you know why he keeps getting opportunities. It's because he's tall and it's because he's fast. And that's what Brian Thomas is. And if anything that Brian Thomas can do to improve his game while playing with Trevor Lawrence, just makes him a much better fantasy asset than Jerry Goff. Can you just get, please give those people that just drafted Brian Thomas one better comp than Ted Gannon MVS, please. If you give me a minute to come back to me. Yes, we got it. We

got to say something good about Brian Thomas. Let's move on to Ladd McConkie, who is my number 12 player in a Superflex rookie draft. And the running back that I had him closest ranked to was Ramondre Stevenson. If you were a contender in need of a running back, would you consider trading Ladd for Ramondre? No, I'd much rather have Ladd McConkie. I'm kind of, I can't, I'm kind of done with Ramond Ray. Okay. So that,

this is a good transitional point because a guy that I have ranked right behind him, who I had ahead of him and I'm fine. I've been kind of stubborn this off season with him. And Dave sends me a text today and says, Hey, do you want to talk about this recent Javante Williams? And I might put news in,

in scare quotes, but new Javante Williams? And I might put news in scare quotes, but Javante Williams news. And there wasn't anything positive. So, Dave, I assume you would also take Ladd-McConkie over Javante Williams. Yeah, I'm a little surprised that I'm saying that because I was a big fan of Javante, but I think things have not worked out for him in Denver. And I don't know if they'll ever work out. So I want to get into that news because I've like just yesterday on FFT, I was, he was on my breakout list. I still believe Javante Williams is the most talented running back in Denver. This Sean Payton offense, while it drives me crazy sometimes, has been exceptionally good for producing great running back fantasy production, even in a three-headed monster committee, because they throw a third of their passes to running backs.

But everybody else has him ranked as a high-end RB3, and now there's some stuff. I guess, would you say there's stuff coming out of Denver that indicates he might not be the starter? So I don't want to confuse, oh, this running back looked good at rookie minicamp with, well, this is the end of Javante Williams' time in Denver. I'm just worried that there's going to be maybe a four-headed monster in Denver's backfield that'll take more work away from Javante Williams. And invariably someone will get hurt and maybe that'll open the door for more work for Javante Williams. But the bottom line is that there's, there's competition now for Javante Williams playing time that we can't put

in air quotes competition. Like is Blake Corham really competition for Kyron Williams at this point? I don't think so. See, I think, but how are these Broncos backs more competition than the guy who was in competition to be the number one running back in their class and drafted well ahead of them? That's a good question. Just Sean Payton is the answer? We've already seen this new coaching staff in Denver sour on Russell Wilson and take a humongous salary cap hit just to get them off the team and take a haircut on Jerry Judy.

And they did the same thing with Judy. And so they're, they're reshaping this roster with the guys that they want, not the guys they inherited. And I just, I can't say with dead on certainty that Javante is going to have the exact same type of role in 2024 as he had in 2023. And by the way, in 2023, he didn't even average 12 PPR fantasy points per game.

In fact, he's never averaged 12 PPR fantasy points per game. One of these years, he didn't play very much, but the other two, he did. I'm nervous about Javante long-term. I understand that completely. Even if he stays in Denver, it could be a situation where he's playing 45 percent of the snaps and when he does catch the ball it's going to be on those first down throws but I don't know I don't know if it's going to be as many check downs with Bo Nix as it would be with Russell Wilson last year maybe they let Bo throw it you know five seven yards downfield

instead of two or three yards downfield I'm I'm I'm uncertain about it and that makes me nervous to have Javante. I understand that. I think the upside case for Javante is that those numbers from last year were his first year coming off of an ACL, and we often see an improvement in year two coming off of an ACL. And he has the best pedigree of the group, and hopefully Samaj P. Rand's not going to matter.

And Blake Blotson's a udfa and the other guy doesn't do the same thing that giovante does he's a hammer um so like maybe you see a situation where who were the moving parts in that pierre thomas mark ingram darren sproles weren't they all three there at one point probably i'd have to go back and look. Yeah. But like, I think, but at that point, if, if I'm remembering correctly,

Pierre Thomas was on the way out. Yeah. So his goal completely got reduced for the hot new young running, but it is the most ambiguous, not just backfield, but offense in the NFL. I have no idea between Cortland Sutton and Troy Franklin and Marvin Mims. I have no idea if they hate Greg Dulcich

or if he's going to see 110 targets at tight end. And I don't know who they're going to play at running back. I don't think they like Dulcich. I don't think... It doesn't seem like Sean Payton likes anyone who was on the team before he got there. But then they don't have... Was Patrick Shresthan there before he got there?

Yeah, we'll hope that he's still on the team week one. That's enough of that game. Let's get in to grading your trades. And I'll tell you in the chat, if you've got a recent dynasty trade that you would like for us to grade, I will try to get to a couple of those as well. I'm just going to send you or tell you, Dave, a few trades that we're seeing.

Bijan Robinson was dealt. Oh, wow. You've got to get a big haul to trade Bijan Robinson. Yeah. Let's see. What'd we get? What'd we get? Paul got Bijan Robinson. He sent away James Cook and Chris Olave. Awesome. You love it. I like the Bijon. I don't know what your trade chart says, but I'll take the Bijon side of that deal. I always like getting the best player in the deal. So that's like, I always tell people you've got to overpay by at least 10% or get overpaid by at least 10%. This is a top 12 running back and a top 12 wide receiver for me. So it's on that path, but I would rather have Bijon.

I've got James Cook worth about 25 points on the trade chart. Chris Olave, I'm a little bit lower on, I think, than average. He's right behind him. And so the Bijon side wins. We'll give it a, I give it a B+. I'm not quite going to an A.

Somebody traded away. Ken Walker for Devin Singletary and this fourth pick in the second round of a 2024 rookie draft. Yeah, I'm, I'm keeping Walker. Yes, I,

it's a D plus. Oh, I think it's like an F. Oh, you're giving it an F. Yeah, I'd rather have Walker. Devin Singletary had a great second half last year. It was a really good situation that he found himself in. I can't imagine he'll be anywhere near as good with the Giants. And then if he struggles this year, that might be a wrap on him

ever being a majority touch running back out in a backfield and then what's the second rounder that you're getting fourth pick of round two we're talking about the 16th player off the board in a rookie draft i don't think that's going to be somebody that's got the same type of upside as walker trey benson or it's probably trey benson if you want to take a running back there. You think Benson falls that far? In a super flex, he does. In a one quarterback, he doesn't. Yeah.

I'm not sure he falls that far even in a super flex. So we got a monster trade here. Randy traded CJ Stroud and Puka Nakua in a 16-team Dynasty League. So depth matters. Giving up Stroud and Nakua for Justin Jefferson 102 and 202. It is

super flex. So Stroud is worthy of... You traded basically two first-round picks in a startup for probably Justin Jefferson and either Caleb Williams or Marvin Harrison. I'm taking the Jefferson side of that deal. Yeah.

Jefferson, again, best player in the deal. It's that's a monster deal though. Can you even imagine pulling that off right now? No, that's a tough one to pull off. I'm,

I'm somebody clearly is believing in CJ Stroud improving as his career goes on. And we, I can't say that that's not going to happen. That's certainly something within the realm of possibility. Well, and you would rather have Stroud than Caleb Williams, right? I would rather have Stroud than Caleb Williams. But I think that the difference between Stroud and Caleb Williams isn't quite as bad as you might think it is.

And it's not as big as the difference between Jefferson and Puka is what you would say. That too. I think Puka's value might be overblown a little bit after how he did last year. I mean, honestly, everything has to come back to being exactly what it was in LA again. Let's put it this way. Is Nakua still going to be as productive if Cooper Cup is healthy? Is Nakua still going to be as productive if Cooper Cup is healthy? Is Nakua still going to be as productive if Matthew Stafford isn't there? And Stafford eventually won't be there. And so it makes me a little bit worried that Nakua's value could be over, it could be inflated a little bit.

I still think he's a good receiver. Don't get me wrong, man. He's awesome. But being in the same conversation as Jefferson long-term, i don't think so so we do have a question a trade in the chat here michael pitman or 110 in a 12 team super flex draft so we just ran through my my i think 110 is most likely going to be either Jonathan Brooks or Xavier Worthy, Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkie. Would you rather have Pittman or those guys? If it's half PPR or non-PPR, I'll take the other guys. If it's full PPR, I'll stick with Pittman. I do have Pittman ahead of all of those guys.

So I would lean towards Pittman unless Jonathan Brooks falls. And I'd rather have Jonathan Brooks than Pittman Lance made a trade one quarterback. He traded Chris Godwin, Austin Eckler, and three third round picks for a 2025 first, probably late Dontavian Wicks and Gino Smith. It doesn't, I like that you got the first, I think the first might be the best asset for sure. And so that's why that, that deal works. I will say this. I think third round picks third round rookie picks this year could end up being a little bit better than they've been in previous years. 100% agree. And please tell that to Chris towers because he has about 17 veterans on his roster and it's trying to rebuild in Yolo. And I have a pair of thirds that doesn't don't seem to hold any value at all.

Let me pull one more trade up from Twitter here and then I will, I will let Dave go. It's been a great time. This one, I don't know. That's how dynasty should be fun. Somebody traded Devante Smith for a 2025 first and a 2026 first. I like it. I like the first. I like that you're getting two firsts for

Devante Smith. I think that somebody overpaid for Devante Smith. I am still, I find higher on Smith and Wadell, I think, after last year than a lot of people. But I would take the two firsts, especially if I was going into a rebuild, which it sounds like you are. I lied. There's one more because I really like this trade. Somebody traded 109 and 110 this year, 109 and 110, along with Keenan Allen, for 104 and 108. So they move up five spots from 109 to 104, two spots from 110 to 108, and they give up Keenan Allen.

I like the 108 better, because now you're locking yourself into one of those elite players in a deep class. And getting 108, I mean, it's basically the same thing as 109. He turned 104 and 108 into Malik Neighbors and Roma Dunze. That's excellent.

For Keenan Allen, 109 and 110. Great job. Great job, Mike. Great job, Dave. Thank you to everybody who participated in the chat. You guys were awesome today. To everybody listening on the podcast, thank you as well. We will be back later this week

recording on Thursday night. The podcast will be up on Friday as normal, and we will talk to you later.