Fantasy Football Today - FFT Dynasty One-QB Startup Mock Draft | WR Dominance, Rookie Showcase, and Premium TEs (06/21 Dynasty Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 22, 2024

Heath Cummings welcomes Sam Wagman and Matt Chester as they fire up the 'ol spreadsheet and do a One-QB Startup Dynasty Fantasy Draft. Intro (0:00) Round 1 (1:46) Round 2 (4:50) Round 3 (10:35) Round 4 (15:34) Round 5 (20:45) Round 6 (24:50) Round 7 (29:20) Round 8 (33:24) Round 9 (39:09) Round 10 (45:06) Round 11 (50:13) Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and only make left turns where it's safe to do so. Be alert, be aware, and stay safe. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today, Dynasty. I am your host, Heath Cummings, and we've got a one-quarterback startup mock draft for you. And I've got Matt Chester and Sam Wagman here to help me break it all down. You may know Matt as the fantasy football Mad Jester. Matt, thank you for being here. Tell everybody where they can find your work.

Hey, thanks, Heath. You can find me on Twitter at FFMadJester or you can find me at Optimist Fantasy. It's a new company we're starting. The website is dropping July 1st and a lot of exciting things coming up,

a lot of databases, trade charts, articles galore, everything you possibly want. It's going to be just a fantasy central. Awesome, awesome stuff. Sam, good to talk to you

again kind of tell everybody where you're where they can find your work yeah you guys can find me on twitter at swagman95 and uh all my fantasy football content presently is over at football guys great team over there got a lot of stuff that is in the works over there for the rest of this summer so very excited for that You guys should go check that out. Awesome, awesome stuff. We have actually got the draft started. I want to kind of break down the ground rules there. This is a one quarterback startup mock draft.

We haven't done a one QB draft in a couple of months. So this will be nice and different. It is full PPR. It is six points per pass touchdown as in standard here at cbs and we start two running backs three wide receivers a tight end and a flex no we will not be drafting a defense or a kicker the first five picks are already in dan schneier already auto drafted so we've got that out of the way um jamar justin jeff Jefferson goes first overall. Jamar Chase goes second. CeeDee Lamb goes third.

Then it's Bijan. Then it's Amon Ross St. Brown. I wanted to ask you guys, and I'll start with you, Matt. And when I updated my rankings for June, it seems like every month when I do this, CeeDee Lamb gets a little bit closer to Jefferson and Chase. Is there an argument for CeeDee Lamb even higher than third overall in this format? Absolutely. Did you know that he's only 24 years old, the same age as Jefferson and Chase?

Yeah, yeah. And was better than those guys last year. He was. I think Jamar Chase, he's done really well to start on his career. I think he might have maxed out right at roughly over 310 points, but I think CD land hit 400. And that's probably the best case, best case for him is that you're going to,

you might get an extra hundred points out of him. You know, he's done it before and that's the likely syndicator of repeat. Sam, we see Bijan go as RB one with the fourth pick. Are it, does that where he belongs or should we see more wide receivers before we see a running back? I'm not sure that we should see that many wide receivers.

I wouldn't be opposed to taking someone like Amon Ross St. Brown in front of him, but Bijan's as close to a bulletproof prospect as you got coming into the league. Even last year, know under Arthur Smith really managed to make the most of his touches had the most targets among running backs behind Brees Hall last year and I think he should be in for a really good season this year I'm not sure if we get the Christian McCaffrey season that people have kind of tossed around over the

last couple weeks but we he should definitely get close to that and i have made my first selection i came up on the clock with the eighth overall pick matt and a little bit of an internal struggle there for me between marvin harrison and jameer gibbs but speaking of bulletproof prospects harrison seems to be that guy. He is my wide receiver five right now, which seems to be pretty close to the consensus. Are you fine with him this early in a startup? I am. Just to touch on your last question with Sam,

I think the format matters a lot. And when you're only able to start up to four wide receivers, you do need to kind of lean a little bit more running back heavy. Whereas opposed to in some of these leagues, you'd start up to four wide receivers, you do need to kind of lean a little bit more running back heavy, whereas opposed to in some of these leagues, you'd start up to six wide receivers. You really, really need to lean into wide receivers for dynasty in that case. But I love your pick of Marvin Harrison jr.

I think it's, it's probably the end of that little the tear drop off is right after you pick them. So we have finished round one. It's Justin Jefferson, Jamar chase, CD lamb, then Bijan Robinson, aunra St. Brown, and Christian McCaffrey, Brees Hall, Marvin Harrison, and Garrett Wilson, then Jameer Gibbs, Malik Neighbors, and Sam, you finished the round off with A.J. Brown. Do you feel like 12th overall for A.J. Brown is, well, I wish somebody had fallen, but I'm fine with Brown there?

Or do you feel like you're getting a little bit of profit? It's definitely a little bit of both. I would probably lean towards the former a little bit. I was in kind of a decision over A.J. Brown or Puka Nakua and then decided to take Devon A. Chain with the first pick of the second round as well. But I do think Brown has a lot of security there. He obviously just signed a brand new deal. Jalen Hurts has his deal. The Eagles offense is pretty locked in there for the next few years to come. I think A.J. Brown should go right to the top of the list as one of the top five receivers for fantasy for the next

few years at least so i'm pretty comfortable with taking him there i would have loved for someone like garrett wilson or even malik neighbors to fall there for me but i don't mind aj brown i have him slightly ahead of puka nikua uh it kind of just you know it comes down to preference there for me so man i think that's interesting because he mentioned a name there malik neighbors who went right before aj brown in round one um quite a difference though when you're talking about those two profiles so one of them neighbors the rookie that we have some real concerns about what year one looks like with Daniel Jones, but probably has a 10 year runway. The other one, AJ Brown still in his

prime, but you're maybe looking at two to three years of that prime left. And he's a, he's a no doubt about it. Top 20 pick in redraft this year, when you're going into a startup, does that decision between a guy like Brown and neighbors in round one kind of impact the rest of your draft? I'd say for sure. If you're taking Malik neighbors as your number one pick, you're really, you're really going with a fragile build, build for later type of team. And you really need it to pan together. I mean, that's a, that's a big dart throw for, for i'd much rather prefer a.j brown because he's done it before and you said he's got two or three years left of his prime but he's really just now entering his prime i think

he's going into his 20s age 26 or 27 season um he's got at least three or four years ahead of him i think and i think that his price has gone down just because of how the second half of last year went. I think he still ended up as the wide receiver four overall, but in the first half of last year, I think he was breaking records. He was hitting 30-point games pretty regularly. That's a very comfortable pick. The one tradeback that I regret in this rookie draft recently as i traded marvin harrison for a.j brown in two seconds yeah it was it was league specific but i i don't regret it too much

you know what i regret is doing the thing that i really try not to do is ask you guys a question right before you go on the clock matt though you handled that fantastically so i will go to sam here because it'll be a long time before sam picks again it was a nice thing to put him on the corner like that um i took tyreek kill in round two and so kind of a strange combination of players um with marvin harrison with tyreek hill but hill was was my clear best value um how many years do you think we have of hill we're talking about brown having three to four years how many years we think we have of Hill as an elite producer? So what are we at now since Tyreek Hill said he wanted to kind of play out his contract in Miami and then would consider walking away from football,

basically stating that he had done all he had accomplished? I think we're about two years removed from him saying that. But there's no real sign of him slowing down. So if he manages to keep going at the rate that he's been going on the past couple of years in Miami, which is just absolute game-breaking ability for fantasy, far and away leading in points per game last year, I think the sky is clear for him to produce for another two to three years easily, you know,

if Miami can convince him to come back on another deal after, you know, I do think they're going to end up paying to a tag of ILOA, you know, a market value contract very soon. So, you know, with Hill, I think it's all up to him, what he wants to do, but there's no slowdown for him in terms of the output that he put out last year. So I'd be very comfortable taking Hill if I wanted to go and win now. And I think it's a really actually good pairing with Harrison and Hill. You have on one side the supposed best talent to really enter the league at the wide receiver

position in many many years and then you have pretty clearly the you know the wide receiver one for you know like a redraft kind of format so if you want to win now and you're you want to set your team up to win in the future i think this is a perfect start for you there okay so matt adam azar just did the thing taking the first quarterback in this draft um end of round two and i don't say that like i spend a lot of time poking fun at azar i don't say that to poke fun because i think in a dynasty league um a quarterback like mahomes who i think we have no reason to believe anything's going to change with him in the next five years is absolutely worth a late second round pick, even in a one QB draft. Uh, how many quarterbacks though, are we considering in the next round or so me personally, none, just because the value falls so nicely around. Um, we'll just say around round

nine, there's still a whole bunch of guys that really could hit the number one overall for the next few years there's a few guys under 30 um just in those late rounds and if the talent falls off the positional players pretty quickly around round five or six so i want to fill up my starting positions before quarterback in these one qb leagues um yeah yeah i know you don't like making fun of adam azar right no i do a lot okay well i i just want to make fun of him about that trade that you made with him um where you you hoisted him for malik neighbors the other day you got trey mcbride and you you still got the the 107 is that right yeah i was on the clock and i was kind of

like going back and forth between jj and may because i needed a quarterback pretty bad and i was able to trade i traded the 104 he took malik neighbors i got trade trade mcbride and then got drake may with the 107 that is such a nasty twist because you got everything you wanted in the end anyway. You got a free Trey McBride. That's beautiful. Yeah, and of course, Adam's a Giants fan and has absolutely zero regrets. He's got Malik neighbors for however long this lasts,

and it's not like Daniel Jones could ruin that for him. So, yeah, I felt good about that, and I appreciate you bringing that up. Sam, I want to ask you one more question about the quarterbacks because we may not see one again for a while um when you look at mahomes versus hertz versus alan versus jackson um there's not a huge difference in age with that group but do you feel like there's a difference in how long of a production you're getting as a true like qb1 contender with how much those guys count on they're running uh i definitely i definitely think it's a possibility

i think mahomes less less than them since he's you know more of a scrambler and less of a pure runner right but uh you know looking at you looking at jalen hurts looking at Jalen Hurts, looking at Lamar Jackson, those are guys that the profiles have tended to skew towards shorter careers for sure. But I think as long as they avoid a major injury and keep themselves out of harm's way, like Lamar loves to run, but he doesn't put himself in harm's way. He's usually elusive enough that it's not an issue with him so I can't say that I foresee it becoming an issue with them I think as well as Josh Allen I think his he's just so burly and and big that um you know that style of play as long as he doesn't put himself in harm's way uh I think they'll be OK. I think that's something that like fans of Anthony Richardson should hope that, you know, he develops going forward is is the ability to not put himself in harm's way when running the football, basically, you know, running into contact, trying to avoid that contact going there.

So I do think they're all going to be okay for the most part. You know, obviously we definitely need them to stay healthy in order to keep putting out that high fantasy output. Well, and Alan does have the body you're right. But I think like you mentioned fans of Anthony Richardson need to hope that he learns how to stop putting himself in harm's way. Josh Allen's never learned that.

Like he intentionally goes and seeks out that contact and then laughs about it and so i i do i i get a little bit concerned when i see that if i was a bills fan i would get very concerned when i see that because i don't i don't really believe he can just keep doing that forever let's take a look at round two now we had devon h and go with the 13th pick followed by Jonathan Taylor Puka Nakua Chris Olave Tyreek Hill Travis Etienne Drake London Jalen Waddle Sam Laporta Roma Dunze Patrick Mahomes and Brandon Ayuk again that's round two Achan Taylor Nakua O Etienne, London, Waddle, Laporta, Adunze, Mahomes, and Ayuk. Laporta, the first tight end off the board there in round two.

We don't get another one really for almost another round, Matt, when you took Mark Andrews. Should there be that much of a gap between Laporta and Andrews? And how soon before we should see either Trey McBride or Brock Bowers or kind of the next group of tight ends go off the board? I think anytime you want to start filling out your onesie positions, round fours is probably an okay place to start looking for tight ends, especially because in this league, you can flex a tight end. So if you do end up with, you know, Sam Laporta, if he, if he, I know it's, it's bad etiquette to speak about players that have not been drafted yet, but if he were to pair up Sam Laporta with another possibly young stud

tight end in the fifth round, he can start both of those every week. And I don't mind that at all. You know, you got to get your guy. And I will just say, just to clarify, we, we are not concerned about etiquette at all. Partially just because I'm not concerned about it. Partially because we're doing a podcast. We're going to have to talk about these guys. Nobody get mad at me when I talk about the guy that you wanted to take. He wasn't going to be there for you anyway. Yeah, when you say another young stud, Sam, I've actually got Trey McBride and Sam Laporta back to back.

So I do have Laporta ahead of him in dynasty i've got mcbride a little bit ahead and redraft right now am i crazy for having mcbride that high i'm not i'm not the biggest trey mcbride fan i do understand um why people are infatuated with him. But I think it's also notable that Marvin Harrison coming in will dilute things a little bit for McBride. I'm not so sure that we're going to see Kyler be able to sustain throwing a ton of targets to both McBride and Harrison right out of the gate. So I do kind of want to see how things shake out with that. That's the only reason why I wouldn't have McBride that high coming into the league. I think that the dispersion among the top tight ends is definitely closer than it used to be.

For a bunch of years, it was kind of just Kelsey and everyone else. And then it was Kelsey and Andrews and everyone else. And now we have Dalton Kincaid at the top trey mcbride at the top there so i would have you know mcbride a little bit closer down you know in you know in where he's going around the third or fourth round but i don't know if i would have him that high up there so yeah i i think it's interesting because we do talk a lot about how much and i've heard this conversation a lot i've been a part of it like how much deeper tight end is now because we have dalton kincaid and we have brock bowers and we have kyle pitts and i i think it's worth saying that like we're super excited about those guys but they've not done anything like what kelsey

or andrews or laporta last year or mcbraven mcbride did last year it is still a bit of a projection and while some of those guys recently have paid off in mcbride we've also had a lot of young tight ends that we've been excited about that just didn't really ever turn back into much right like uh like kyle pitts last year and kyle pitts before that and then kyle pitts the year before that right and we just hope and we hope and we hope but but but i do like i agree like i i go through my projections and looking at redraft from like a vbd perspective and what's going to be available and in round eight round nine round ten and tight ends don't project near as high for me as they would when i would just like eyeball it and rank them um because the difference in my projections between those elite guys and part

of that's because kelsey's projection isn't near as high as it was matt we we talked about like tyreek hill's runway christian mcafree went in round one those are are two guys who it's very easy to see you know this could be the end at any moment but they also might be three points per game better than anybody else so maybe it's worth it Kelsey's still that guy at tight end like it wouldn't really surprise anybody if he was tied in one this year and outscored everybody by three points but he falls quite a bit further does that that, is that justified? I think it is. I think that just like those guys, um, I, I think that people feel the end is closer for him because he's, he's well into his mid thirties. I think he's probably going to be 34, 35 this year. And, uh, it's really at any moment, you know, if, if Tyree

Hill gets a high ankle sprain, he's going to hurt him for the rest of the season. But he still has another year or two. If that happens to Kelsey, he might just ride off into the sunset with his, you know, his billionaire superstar wife. And nobody could blame him for that. So I understand the trepidation with him. There's also, like you said, there's a slew of new hot young tight ends that are coming to the league. You mentioned Dalton Kincaid, Trey McBride. much less than these top wide receivers that they're a cheaper, they're almost a free square

for the GMs of these teams to put into the game plan where they don't really have to break the bank for these guys because tight end makes so much less money than wide receiver. But if they can dominate a part of the game, like the, the big bodied receiver, um, that as this, as the league gets smaller and faster with the Zay Flowers and the Tank Dells and all these little quick gadgety guys that are taking over the league, the defense has to match that. And the linebackers have to get smaller and faster. The safeties and cornerbacks have to get smaller and faster. And the way to stand out above the crowd is to stand out above the crowd and go get somebody who's 250 pounds and six four and is just as good of a receiver but it's harder to take down so i understand this shift and why that's happening and why we're getting this new influx of tight

ends and it's exciting i love it let's uh let's run through round three here real quick this draft is moving fast we're already into round five. Let's recap round three. Devontae Smith went first, then Nico Collins, then DJ Moore, followed by Saquon Barkley, Michael Pittman, and Debo Samuel. Mark Andrews in round three. I took Jonathan Brooks. Then goes James Cook, Kyron Williams, DK Metcalf, and T. Higgins to Sam. So it's Devontae, Nico, DJ, Barkley, Pittman, and Debo, Andrews, Brooks, and Cook, Kyron Williams, D.K. Metcalf, and T. Higgins.

Sam, I'll ask you, and I didn't take James Cook, but I am extremely high on James Cook this year. I think with the changes we saw in the second half to the Bills' offense and then with the changes we saw to the Bills receiving core this off season, Cook has an excellent chance to be a top five running back this season. How do you view him in dynasty? Yeah, I think it's, I really like Cook, you know, as a running back, obviously we keep hoping that the Bills are going to show some sign that they want him to be, you know, they're featured back. And obviously that includes goal line touches that, that seems to have been

shifted back again this year with them drafting Ray Davis, uh, on day three, who was obviously, you know, 230 pound back from Kentucky, you know, scored a ton of touchdowns last year, has a three down profile as well. So I do think that they still, I think their priority is to keep Cook as fresh as possible, as healthy as possible, not to put too much of a load on his shoulders, so to speak. So I do like Cook in the regards that he's going to get all the, between the twenties work, uh, you know, you know, seemingly I think, you know, Davis will steal some of those goal line touches. Obviously Josh Allen will get some of his goal line touches as he always does. But other than

that, I think cook is set up for a lot of guaranteed work. Uh, he'll still see his role in the passing game continue to be strong so i really like him from that regard uh he's definitely you know a guy that's in my top 10 and uh is definitely going to be rising pretty quickly there i had a crisis of confidence there it was it was my turn to pick and i had uh i was not not prepared, but the pick was made. I got Xavier Worthy in round five. We need to go back, though, and recap round four just to kind of catch everybody up who's listening on the podcast and not watching here on the screen. But round four, we had Sam starting it off with George Pickens.

I love that pick. Then Rashad White, Trey McBride, Tank Dell right before me. Both of those extreme snipes. I was ready to draft either one. I settled for Jalen Hurts. I got criticized in the chat for taking him over Josh Allen. I have Jalen Hurts over Josh Allen this year. So I am a little bit concerned about what this Bill's offense looks like for Allen, because I think it's more likely that Hurts repeats his rushing touchdowns. He's rushed for double-digit touchdowns every year than it is that Allen, who basically doubled his career mark last year. After I took Hurts, we get Zay Flowers to Matt, Josh Jacobs, Isaiah Pacheco, Devontae Adams, Jordan Addison,

Ladd McConkie, and Trey Benson. So a little bit of a rookie run that will continue into round five. It's Pickens, White, McBride, Tank, Hertz, Flowers, Jacobs, Pacheco, and Adams, Jordan Addison, Ladd McConkie, and Trey Benson round out round four. Matt, you took Zay Flowers there. What do you think the ceiling in this offense with Lamar Jackson as the quarterback um could can Flowers become his number one option ahead of Mark Andrews or do you think he's always kind of a 1B in this offense I think it's okay to have the 1B in this offense

I think it might have been two years ago the Ravens were the highest scoring offense in the league and we don't like to remember that really I think it was Greg Roman at the time. So it's really, it's really gross to watch that happen, but say flowers is good. He's got a lot of, you know, accolades among his team and he can do the work after the catch.

I, I, I love having the buddy system as well because Mark Andrews is going to be a stud. Say flowers can be a stud right next to him. But then if either of them go down, I've got a nice little uh boost of confidence coming from that that that fall off you know i'm i'm about ready to get mad

in the draft room chat sam because i understand what's going on everybody's looking at this and you know it's it's an expert draft and so we're not going to see any very many quarterbacks taken and i understand but we're also trying to help people out and it's round six now and lamar jackson's still available we did see josh allen go in round five um like and i know i think it's a one quarterback league so it does make a little bit of sense but at some point lamar jackson needs to be taken really soon, right? Oh, yeah. He should be taken this round. I actually thought about it really, really hard,

but the tight ends just dry up after the top five. Obviously, Kelsey isn't the most advantageous dynasty pick, but the lineup that I'm building is a little bit closer to a win now team so i kind of wanted to pick put kelsey in there um over lamar but i think lamar is an excellent value right now possibly the best value in this draft right now and i was just going to check and see if rj took him now he took zam Samir White. So I guess I won't. And this is the reason that we tell you guys to wait on quarterback. Although I will say, and again, we've had this struggle at CBS for a few years now because we do redraft mocks. And a lot of times we'll get to round four before a quarterback's taken. And then we look at regular ADP and you're going to see multiple quarterbacks in the

first two rounds of a draft and so it is hard to kind of massage that difference between what are you trying to do i just took my fourth rookie how do you like this start for the first six picks matt and it's uh you've already made your pick so we've got marvin harrison tyree kill jonathan brooks jalen hertz xavier worthy and now brian thomas in round six forget the fact that i there you go taking lamar jackson thank you man well i wanted to stack him with andrews and say flowers since we were just talking about it what a terrific best ball lineup this would be for matt i would love it if it was 1200 people instead of 12 people i i want to bring that up.

I'll ask you, Matt, because you're a ways away from picking. We're seeing that best ball strategy and best ball mindset really creeping into just regular redraft analysis and probably a little bit into dynasty analysis. Do you think that's all a good thing, or are there some concepts that are kind of best left in the best ball world um i think both i think it is a good thing i think it's sometimes it's just fun you know i don't think that stacking lamar and zay flowers and mark andrews is going to give me an edge on the league but it's going to make my sundays a lot more fun and sometimes it

it's just that simple you know um there are concepts that you can take into it. There are strategies that are different for me in, uh, best ball versus, versus, you know, especially dynasty, but in league lineups, it's okay to have more of these like Brandon cooks types, type characters. Um, the Zekiel Elliot's the, the Raheem Mostert. I don't think that I would have ever wanted in a lineup league last year, but I had him in a bunch of best ball leagues and that worked out really well. So I don't really know how to transfer that into a lineup league. Well, I think it is like, and it's not just the, like the lineup part. And that does matter a lot, but it's also like the idea of being able to use waivers in the middle of the year versus drafting a team and then never, never having to think about it again,

never having to manage that roster and being able to cut players if they get hurt or add players. And I just, I think it's interesting because I see more and more, especially when it comes to ADP best ball has set the ADP at this point, you look at any basic, any consensus ADP,, and that factor is going to be in there. And I think when we get to August, you're going to see a lot more running backs earlier in drafts as more, I don't know, normal people is the right way to say it, but normal people start to do their drafts. Let's take a look at what happened in round five. Joel Cox started that round off with DeAndre Swift, then Ken Walker, then Brock Bowers.

Cooper Cup, that is such an interesting pick, and we'll come back to him, followed by Dalton Kincaid, Kyle Pitts, Mike Evans, Xavier Worthy, Josh Allen, Rasheed Rice, and Keon Coleman. Joe Mixon to Sam to end the round so we had bowers kincade and pitts go within a span of four picks there sam do you have any strong opinion between those three guys or is it just kind of whichever one like in this case the guy that went last wasn't much of a value because it was in the same round but if one of them happens to fall around past the other two, that's the one you'd want to target. Yeah. I think of those three, it would be Dalton Kincaid for me.

I like, like we've talked about Allen's dearth of, of really meaningful targets this year after both Stefan digs and Gabe Davis, the part of the organization, this off season leaves 250 plus targets up for grabs. It makes complete sense that Kincaid's role is going to drastically increase. He was already drafted into the league as one of the premier pass catching tight ends that's come in over the last few years. And I think that's a perfect role for him to kind of jump in more into in his second year in the league.

Obviously, Dawson Knox is kind of solidified in there as they're blocking an inline tight end. That's still going to play a role in the receiving game. But I think Kincaid is the guy that they really want to take over that short to intermediate portion of the field. And he was really, really good at it last year. So I think it's very logical to think that his role is going to increase. We've heard rumors over the last week or so that Keon Coleman is still a little ways away from being an every down contributor to this team, despite his high draft capital. And then behind them, you only have Curtis Samuel and Khalil Shakir, who are good role players, but neither are going to play a featured role in

this offense. So I think Kincaid has a very strong possibility to cross over and get north of 120 targets this season. I definitely think he's in the running for the tight end one spot along with the other guys that are up there and i i think he should be a lot closer to the top three in dynasty than a lot of people give him credit for good good stuff you know whenever i try to host a podcast and run a mock draft and pick a team inevitably at some point i realize oh no i didn't do this this is that moment Let's take our first break. Bumble knows it's hard to start conversations. Hey.

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We are back and we are recapping round six. The next thing I'm going to realize that I've lost the thread on is like completely not having any idea who my highest ranked player remaining is, but you guys can just all laugh at me when that happens and I'm on the clock. In round six of this one Qb dynasty startup mock travis kelsey the first pick to sam wagman amari cooper goes right after him then we get jsn i was he was definitely on my roster zamir white is next followed by brian thomas lamar jackson christian kirk cj stroud stefan diggs remandre stevenson christian watson and tj hawkinson and we've talked a lot about tight ends matt but i do think we need to talk a little bit about tj hawkinson because like he was one of the guys who was no doubt about it top three or four dynasty tight end and going

to be a must-start guy for and i think he probably still. He's just negatively impacted by this year. That's pretty good value on Hawkinson, isn't it? I think it's fantastic value on Hawkinson. You're right. I think he was aiming for a top two tight end finish. He's only 26 years old, I believe. He's like three years younger than Mark Andrews. And he's what, eight, nine years younger than Travis Kelsey? I think it's completely okay. He didn't have a multi-ligament tear. I think it was just a clean ACL. He's going to come back. You probably won't get to use him this year, but the way that he built his roster around Devontae Smith, Brandon Ayuk, Justin Jefferson, he's pretty set up for the long haul. And with Trey Benson, he might not be looking to compete straight out of the gate.

So I like that. I like pairing up TJ Hawkinson with Trey Benson and everything else that he has. Every other cornerstone piece that he has is a nice long-term asset without much risk. Okay, Sam, you've made your picks at the 7-8 turn. I just want to take a second. I'm going to pull up your team. I'm going to read it off to you, and you can kind of tell me how much you love it, hate it, or just maybe okay with it, because I'm going to need some time to figure out who I'm going to take here. I can't believe I just got sniped on Tajay Spears. I'm not pleased about that. And you took Javante Williams. So I'm going to read your team off. You can tell me how you feel about it. But more importantly, I want you

to talk to me about this Denver running back situation because I do think there's a huge opportunity for profit if you get this situation right. So you've got Kyler Murray, Joe Mixon, and Devon Achan. You've got A.J. Brown, T. Higgins, George Pickens. You've got Travis Kelsey and Javante Williams through eight rounds. How do you feel about the team? And how do you feel about this Broncos running back room? So in multiple rounds, I have gotten sniped on the quarterback that I wanted um I had both

Joe Burrow and Anthony Richardson queued up coming into my recent picks and lost both of them out there so I did reach a bit on Kyler Murray I don't love that but I wasn't going to be up for another 24 picks so it makes sense to take Kyler there I think he's the last possible guy that you can take at this range and, you know, still be in the mix for, you know, a handful of, uh, top seven, top six QB QB one finishes over the next few years with his rushing ability and the addition of Barman Harrison and Trey McBride's output there. So I think that's a really strong, but I'm starting, I'm starting to capitalize on people that are down on Javante Williams. And the recent news, Cecil Lammy from Football Guys reported

over the past few weeks that there is a possibility that Javante Williams doesn't even make the team and that Jaleel McLaughlin looks like the RB1. They obviously brought in Audrick Estime from Notre Dame this offseason. They brought in Blake Watson as a UDFA. So I think people are all over the place with this Denver backfield. And yes, it is true that Javante Williams has not lived up to his draft capital of the second round when he was drafted a few years ago, but he is coming off an ACL tear two years ago. There's tons of data that states that running backs in year two

off the ACL reconstruction tend to perform a lot better. So I'm counting on that for Javante Williams, who I've been a fan of for years now, loved his hard-running style coming out of North Carolina and I think it fits really well in Sean Payton's offense so I'm hoping that you know in year two of Payton's scheme he utilizes him a lot more knowing that he can do a lot more coming off of that ACL reconstruction I think Bo Nix will rely on him pretty heavily in checkdowns and dump-offs and routes out of the flat there. So I really like adding him as my RB3 here. And even if it

doesn't work out long-term, like I said, this is shaping up to be a team that I want to win now with. So Javante gives me a really good shot to win now and also gives me some long-term flexibility matt let's check in on your ravens i mean your fantasy team mark jackson is your quarterback travis etn and breese hall are the running backs that's elite at wide receiver you've got mike evans marquise brown and zay flowers with mark andrews at tight end and oh yeah derrick henry as well how do you feel about this build i i'm excited about it uh i probably should have waited a little bit on tight end but all in all if marquise brown can even be you remember you know do you remember juju smith schuster do you remember that guy yeah yeah big big great great season yeah he he had he had a great rookie season but then he also

was very usable when he was a chief and it's easy to forget that and i don't mind taking a shot on marquise brown if he's the one that finds a connection with pat mahomes then i i think this is already a winning combination mike evans is one of those guys that he doesn't really fit the bill between Mike Evans and Derek Henry. I'm just hoping for two more years out of each of them. But if I can get two more years out of each of them, they're both very elite. And even on rebuilds, I have trouble selling these guys for less than two seconds just because they could perform for another two years. They're both kind of athletic freaks and i don't know if i want to bet against them i don't want to bet on their fall off coming too soon so i'm okay with mike evans and derrick henry even in a dynasty league i i like it a lot and i

think like that that is that's an area for profit If you can go acquire those guys and you happen to get two more years out of them, because they are mostly being treated like you've got one year left and then everything's going to be a disaster. But this is the fourth year in a row that they've been treated like that, right? Yeah. No, exactly. Yeah. I'm tired of losing that bet. Well, and that's, that's why that you, and that's why you can find them. I think it seems to me, especially Henry,

is much higher than someone with his profile and age would have been in years past. And it's just because we've all taken a turn saying he's going to bust for a variety of reasons, been wrong. And now everybody's like, nope, I'm just going to rank him as saying he's going to bust for a variety of reasons been wrong and now everybody's like nope i'm just going to rank him as what he's been and whenever he goes over the hill then i will admit it let's take a look at what happened here in round seven joe burrow was the first pick followed by alvin camara and caleb williams then anthony richardson a little bit

of a quarterback run terry mclaurin and Deontay Johnson seems very fitting. Those two would go back to back. Then Derek Henry. I took Jaden Reed. Calvin Ridley goes to RJ White. I'm a big fan of Ridley this year, but do prefer Reed and Dynasty. And then Najee Harris, Jaden Daniels, and we talked about Sam already took Javante Williams. So we had four quarterbacks in that round, Burrow, Williams, Richardson, and Daniels. Sam, in terms of a dynasty ranking, what order would you put those four guys in? And remember, this is a six-point-per-pass touchdown league. So it was Burrow, Williams, Richardson, and Daniels. I would have Richardson comfortably at one. think the the upside that he gives you

with his rushing and the possibility of him becoming a very very strong passer is something that should probably have him close to the top five um rather than closer to the top 10 so he's my number one there i really love the upside upside that Jaden Daniels gives you. I think if he can avoid the RG three track, which some people have associated him with very unfairly, in my opinion, this is a guy that threw for 40 touchdowns at LSU last year and was really, really efficient while doing so showed him,

showed a lot of range, his deep ball passer as well. He would be my number two there. Then I think Burrow would be my three there, just given, you know, his body of work that he already has. The fact that he's hopefully fully healthy coming into the season off that thumb injury. And then Williams would be the number four there. I think Williams will be fine.

He's, you know, an effective scrambler at times when he needs to be. But I wasn't sold on him as, you know, a generational prospect. I think he was a very, very good prospect. But I wasn't sure if he was going to be a generational prospect coming in. And, you know, the Bears have a way of making things not well for their quarterbacks. So he's at four right now but i i think him and burrow are very close they could flip off with each other in the next year the worst thing possible that could have happened and then we'll take a break somebody

asked for a reset because they picked the wrong guy i give them the reset so they can go back and change their xavier leggett pick they take jaylen warren who was the top guy in my queue so yeah i almost just reversed it and said no you can have anybody else but you can't have him instead i'll just take jameson williams who seems to fit in pretty well on my team it's all of the young upside wide receivers we'll talk a little bit more about that right after this. Miller Lite. The light beer brewed for people who love the taste of beer and the perfect pairing for your game time. When Miller Lite set out to brew a light beer,

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but I was just as happy to get Zach Charbonnet, Marquise Brown, Evan Ingram, and David Montgomery, then George Kittle, Ricky Pearsall, Blake Corum, and Brian Robinson. And we had a very, very strange, strange comment in the chat. Somebody said that Adam Azer has drafted a great team. So, Matt, I'm going to let you evaluate that comment. We're going to pull Adam's team up here and just see who exactly he has on it.

He was the guy who took Patrick Mahomes early. So we have Mahomes, Kamara, and Ken Walker as the running backs. The wide receivers, Jamar Chase, Nico Collins, and Ladd McConkie has Jake Ferguson at tight end. And then Blake Corum and Christian Watson are his flexes.'s mahomes camara walker chase nico mcconkey watson and quorum at flex and jake ferguson at tight end what do you think of this build i think the only person that could have said that in the chat is adam azar is it out of the chat saying that adam i do not i do not see adam in the chat no okay i think that getting gifted jamar chase at 102 is is the thing that's really making this team look good so

pat mahomes jamar chase fantastic um and then if you don't have anything nice to say you should say nothing at all well i i i i appreciate that listen i think nico at the beginning of round three is earlier than i would do it but i prefer tank dell over nico and dynasty for sure tank tank actually went with the fourth pick in round four so a little bit of separation there sam i think you just finished off round nine so let me read through that we'll go live here for about another 10 minutes, and then we will finish this draft up offline. As always, there will be a full article with full results, so if you're frustrated that you can't keep up with exactly who's been taken,

you'll be able to see all of that online probably sometime this afternoon. Joel Cox takes Chris Godwin to start round nine, followed by Ferguson, Tony Pollard, Austin Eckler, the snipe of Jalen Warren, then Jordan Love, Curtis Samuel, Jamison Williams, Zach Moss. There goes Leggett. David Njoku and Jalen Polk.

I saw we had a comment in the chat that this draft is way too low on Chris Godwin, Sam. On yesterday's show, Adam Azer's bold prediction for the season was that Godwin was going to outscore Mike Evans in full PPR this year, which he's done a couple of seasons in the past. Do you agree that we let Godwin fall too far? I do. I do. I really actually like Chris Godwin. I wanted to take him myself. I had him penciled in there, but I think Godwin going back to the slot is going to be a very, very good thing for him, you know, with, with them drafting, you know, guys like Jalen McMillan that can play outside if he needs to. I think this is going to be a very, very good thing for Godwin this season.

We've always seen him play his best game when he's fully in the slot and he doesn't have to worry about winning against press man on the outside, which he's not as strong at. Guy absolutely crushes zone coverage from the middle of the field. I think that's where he does his best work. That's where he finished wide receiver two a few years ago by doing a lot of slot routes. And I think that's going to be basically his return to Renaissance this year. I have him ranked inside my top 24, and I think he's going to be absolutely fantastic this year.

Matt, I want to talk about that Curtisuel pick that we talked about from round nine um he has had some success with the offensive coordinator there when they were both in carolina and we had the great dj moore curtis samuel wars of uh what was that 20 2020 2021 whatever 2019 maybe all the way back there um this is a wide open receiving court you could tell me like four different guys could be the best wide receiver on this team. And I wouldn't be that surprised. Does Samuel have a chance to be the best wide receiver on this team in 2024? Absolutely. And I think, I think that he's not to toot my own horn. I think he's an incredibly clever pick. If Keon Coleman is going at the end of the first round in rookie drafts, you could probably trade that pick for

Curtis Samuel and a future first. And I would much rather reroll with a free Curtis Samuel who's only 27 years old. Like you said, he did very well with Joe Brady. Joe Brady likes using him in screens and pre-motion snaps and even rushing. He'll probably end up with 20-plus rushes this year. It is wide open up there in Buffalo, and Curtis Samuel might be the clever pick of that room. It's an easy free square for me as these wide receivers dry up. I'm going to shame Aaron. He just had a wrong pick and makes the swap from kendre miller to roman

wilson and i'll be honest aaron i don't really want to draft either one of these guys but you did get your guy because we know we're we're trying to make people happy let's uh let's run through round nine real quick because there are a couple interesting picks here i think we just did that so uh sam you took a couple of rookies at the 9-10 turn in polk and jermaine burton yeah are these complete dart throws or guys you like no i absolutely love both of them i i think i i've warmed up a lot on polk since he was drafted. Looking at the Washington offense last year, I was a huge fan of Jalen McMillan. He outperformed Polk when healthy

and almost was on par with Romo Dunzey's production when he was healthy. Unfortunately, McMillan was limited to, I think, eight games last year before getting injured and down for the majority of the season. So Polk had to step up and he really played well as a boundary threat for this Washington offense. Now it gets to go to a New England offense that is completely going to be revamped. Has Drake May for the future. In the meantime, has Jacoby Brissett penciled in as the starter

and I think it's a really good landing spot there between him and Javon Baker and Pop Douglas I think the three of them are going to form a really underrated uh passing offense with Polk's ability to get open downfield so I really really like that. And then Burton for me is a guy that could easily rise to be Cincinnati's wide receiver two in 2025. If T Higgins ends up leaving the team after his new contract is up with them. And I really like Burton because despite the fact that he managed to piss off every single coaching staff that he played for in college, both Alabama and Georgia. He played massive roles on both teams coming into the league. We've seen him be a downfield threat as well as play a role in the short to intermediate portion of the field as well.

And I think if it weren't for his off-field issues, we would have seen him be an early second round pick. And people were even talking about him as a top three or four wide receiver in this draft class. So I think the NFL really knows that Burton can be a threat. I think it's just about basically keeping his head on straight. I think being in Cincinnati with T. Higgins and Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow basically locked in there, I think that's a good place for him to learn how the NFL works and really hone his abilities there. And I think him serving as the third option now that Tyler Boyd is gone

is going to be really, really good for him. We've reached the point in the mock where I have to remind myself, like we say this in regular startup drafts, you don't have to draft a starting lineup. You don't have to have running back depth, especially. And still, in a mock, I get to round 11 and i look at my team and i think man i don't have enough running backs and so i'm stocking up my queue and in a in a three pick stretch a five pick stretch we get jaleel mclaughlin and james connor and jaylen right i think azer had a good

turn there like we've given him a hard time, but McLaughlin in round 10, James Connor, there's no reason he should be going that far behind Austin Eckler and Aaron Jones. Sure, he's probably going to get replaced after the year. He's probably at the end of his rope, but that seems like a really good value on Connor

and somebody who, if you're not a contender this year, there's a decent chance in October you can turn him into a second round pick. We are in round 11. I am on the clock and I am going to go ahead and take Jerome Ford, who I expect to be the starting running back for the Browns for at least a chunk of this season. And maybe for longer, I don't have, I'm not super optimistic, Matt, that we're getting

good Nick Chubb ever again. That's fair. And if you want 11.4 points every single week, then Jerome Ford is definitely your guy. I was hoping to get you a little hot and bothered. I stole Raheem Mostert right in front of you just because you were talking about running backs, and I don't want you to win. Yeah, no, that's another pick again most along with connor neither one of them should be available in round 11 if austin eckler is going in round nine because i'd rather have connor and most are both this year than i would austin eckler even in a full ppr draft and i think all three are pretty much equally likely to be completely done

as soon as this season's over. It is time to wrap it up. I do appreciate you guys being a part of this. Matt, I'll let you go first. Tell everybody where they can find your work, how they can follow you. Go right ahead. You can find me on Twitter at FFMadJester. I'm a contributor to JWB Fantasy Football.

Along with Nate Polvote, I am starting up at Optimist Fantasy on Twitter and our YouTube channel is at Optimist Fantasy Football. Sam, you made your picks quickly, so you're not going to be on the clock while I'm asking you to do this. Just do the same thing. Tell everybody where they can find you, how they can follow you. Yeah, absolutely. You can find

me on Twitter at Swagman95. I am a part of the vast football guys team of content creators and experts over there uh all of my fantasy football work for the time being can be found over there and uh thank you again for having me heath and i thank all you guys who were in the chat very active chat today thanks to everybody listening to the podcast. We will be back on Tuesday talking about June Dynasty Rankings Risers. We will talk to you on Tuesday.