Fantasy Football Today - FFT Dynasty - Ranking Dilemmas, Offseason Moves, & Rookie Insights! (03/26 Fantasy Football Today Dynasty Podcast)

Episode Date: March 26, 2024

Looking to dominate your fantasy league just like your redraft league? Look no further than Fantasy Football Today Dynasty hosted by our very own Heath Cummings! Download and follow Fantasy Football Today Dynasty on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you find your podcasts.  Welcome to our latest episode of Fantasy Football Today Dynasty, where we dive into the hottest topics shaping the 2024 season! Join Heath Cummings and Kevin Coleman (@daboys_22) from the Footballguys as we dissect the offseason moves, including Justin Fields' (11:30) trade to the Steelers, Diontae Johnson's (15:45) move to the Panthers, and Kenny Pickett (23:44) joining the Philadelphia Eagles, among others. But that's not all – we'll tackle ranking conundrums that have fantasy managers scratching their heads, such as the Kyle Pitts vs Dalton Kincaid (23:44) debate, Rashee Rice (25:50) vs Jordan Addison, the comparison between Tyjae Spears (28:20) and Tony Pollard, and Justin Herbert (31:01) vs Kyler Murray. Finally, we'll delve into the big questions surrounding the 2024 rookie (35:00) class, providing insights and analysis to help you navigate your dynasty drafts with confidence. Don't miss out on this jam-packed episode filled with valuable fantasy football insights – tune in now! Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I've got Kevin Coleman from Football Guys here to join me today. Kevin, what's going on? Tell everybody where they can find your work and what you've been working on. Yeah, I appreciate you inviting me. They call up to the big show, but you can find me at Football Guys. That's where I do a lot of my content. We're working on the Rookie Guide, so we released three versions of that. We just did a big version one in January. Version two just came out after Combine, and then we're hard at work at version three. So by the end of this month, I'm done with rookies. I don't want to look at them anymore. I want to talk about them anymore. Um, but that's really what we're working on. And then you can find my dynasty work over there. Our dynasty podcast. That is awesome. We do appreciate it. You can follow him on Twitter

also at the boys underscore 22. Now I'm, I've got to ask because you've got the, you had the Michigan jacket on. We were talking beforehand. I know you're actually out in California. But when I saw the Twitter handle, I just assumed that it was an Emmitt Smith thing. It is an Emmitt Smith thing. That was my grandpa's favorite player. So that was his favorite player. He passed away when I was younger.

And so it's kind of like an homage to him when I started Twitter. I'm glad I asked about that. That's a fantastic answer. So on today's show, we are going to talk about last week's free agent and trade news. We've got to talk about Justin Fields, Deontay Johnson, Mike Williams, and more. We're going to talk about some March rankings conundrums. I have published my tight end and quarterback rankings this week. I've got running back and wide receiver coming a little bit later in the week.

And we get through free agency and you start moving these guys around and suddenly you come to the questions like Dalton Kincaid or Kyle Pitts. That wasn't a question before Pitts got Kirk Cousins. It is for me now. We'll see if Kevin thinks that's crazy. We're also going to talk to Kevin a little bit about your rookie thoughts. I'm glad it's not before the end of the month. So you can still, you can still talk about those guys, but we start every show the same Kevin. It's, it's three questions for our guests. The first question is the same for everyone. Now, some people ruined it for you. There's now a qualifier, but what is your one non-negotiable rule or setting for a new dynasty league? And you can't say super flex because too many people already said that so i love that you're

giving me this platform to spew my anti-trade deadline you should not be joining the league with a trade deadline and dynasty and i know i'm going to hear from the comments i the nfl has one we're playing fancy football all right like this is a completely different to me if you are in a league that if if you like you have if you're going to trade your first and you have to pay for that next year's dues, that's how it should always be. So to me, not having a trade deadline allows just your league not to be stagnant. So as the playoffs are going, you know, your bottom teams, like a guy like think of like Alexander Madison or some of these other guys that have popped off like in the playoffs. And you're like, Oh man, this is a, this is that veteran running back that someone needs. If you can move him and you can move them to a contender and get some draft

capital back or whatever, I think it helps the league out as a whole. I know that there'll be some that say, oh, you're buying a championship, but in reality, I think you're creating health and competitiveness in your league because everybody has the opportunity to go buy those players off your dynasty team. But I am a big, no trade deadline guy. I think that it just, it creates more orphans for your league. If you don't, if you have a trade deadline, I think, you know, allowing to collect asset and roster build throughout the playoffs helps too. So for me, I'm get rid of the trade deadline. I will not join a league that has a trade deadline. I think it just caps people. I think it caps leagues, managers, all of that. And it's not competitive enough. I want a

competitive league that has no trade deadline. You know, I like it. I think what caps leagues, managers, all of that, and it's not competitive enough. I want a competitive league that has no trade deadline. I like it. I think what I really like is the wild types of trades that happen. If you get to that, okay, I'm in the fantasy championship. Yeah, I'm going to overpay for this guy because I want to go win a title, and then sometimes you don't, and it leads to disasters. But I'm going to ask a follow-up on this one because I've got kind of an opinion that some of the guests have not enjoyed it as much, but I kind of agree with you on

the trade deadline. I do want some periods in the off season, not, not where trades are banned, but where we're not running waivers. How do you feel about that? Like I would like to go a period of time in February, maybe in March where we're not running waivers. And then I really like it after the draft, like we have the draft and I usually include free agents in that. And then I like to have this period where we can maybe build up. I'm usually in pretty deeper leagues. There's not a

lot of guys out there. Maybe build up a fun free agency period for August or July. How do you feel about restricting free agency a little bit in the off season? So we're on the same wavelength on this one. So I, you you know in the leagues of that commission we we find that this is actually kind of the way to do it as soon as the the season's over we cut off waivers until after the draft and then we allow the rookies that are didn't get drafted in the rookie draft put in the waivers with all the veterans everything and then we open waivers up and it's a lot of fun like you said and it actually it increases trades because people go out there and try to get fab money and they trade these veterans for fab money to try to go out

there and get these waiver pieces that are on the deadline and for me i'm all about increasing activity in leagues and i think if you allow waivers just to run all off season i don't think it's as much act activity and you know a lot of guys just kind of fall off after the season and then they're back in like june and they're like hey what's up guys and like so having that waiver period like you said to run it just creates activity and that's what you want your dynasty leagues as much activity as possible um creates more trades which is most important so you and me on the wavelength there we don't do that we we allow that waiver runs to go uh we have waiver period we call it after the rookie draft and it creates more because after the rookie draft people go away too but if you have those waiver runs they won't go away and i think that's that's the that's how you keep

dynasty leagues fresh and not folding well i i really think it helps to have those events yeah like and i know i'm in several or one now of john bosh's leagues but like we've got a february veteran free agent auction and then we've got got a July one. There's these certain days where everybody knows, okay, we're coming back together. And then you're right. Then the weeks after that or the weeks leading up to that, you do see more trade offers being made. Question number two, who is your biggest dynasty riser and faller in the free agent period? Yeah. So I cheated a little bit, so don't yell at me i i paired two together so i from for my riser i put drake london in pits and for the reality of getting kirk cousins when you're looking at

cousins track record at a quarterback um his pass catchers in the past three seasons they ranked number two tied in a wide receiver and p and points per game scoring in fantasy so when you think of that and they had yes they had they had Justin Jefferson, but they had KJ Osborne, Hawkinson, these guys. And you're like, Hey, you're looking at pits in London. That's going to increase their value there. Um, I'm all aboard that train there. I think also when you're looking at London, you have to look at what he did this last year. He only had not six targets per game. And then that's, that's sad for what Drake London is going to be. So we're definitely going to see that. I think not only Cousins, though, I think the underrated move was getting Zach Robinson as offensive coordinator.

Under McVay, you have to love what he's going to bring. Everybody wants that tree, right? LaFleur, McDaniel, O'Connell, Taylor, Stolik, Dave Canales, all those guys are like, hey, we got to get a piece of that tree. They got a piece of it with Zach Robinson. So I do think that Cousins, Zach Robinson, all of that mixed together and just his history of that number two tight end scoring importance per game the last three years, you have to bump up London and Pitts. And we're going to talk about Pitts later, but I think you

just have to bump them up. I think that's exactly what you wanted if you had them on your roster. So I've got London at wide receiver 13 now. Are you higher or lower? Does that sound just about right? Oh, I just finished them yesterday. I am 12 okay absolutely perfect did you have a faller also or just two risers yeah i know i got a faller um you know brian robinson jr is asleep is to me as a faller a little bit because getting eckler there not only eckler i do not like what they're doing in the coaching staff kingsbury to me is overrated i think he was running a college type offense in arizona um i'm concerned about what quarterback they're going to go with, which there's a lot of rumors right now. They don't know what they're going to do it too. When you look at Robinson last year, he was a very sneaky running back too. I mean, running back 14 overall. And you have to like

that, what he did, I think in 12 games, you had the snaps, you saw the touches were there almost 16 touches a game last year. So, and he really was efficient. Now he has Austin Eckler. Now he has a new offense that doesn't really highlight running backs. Now, Kingsbury said he's going to come out there and fix it. He's going to, you know, he's changed, which I don't know how much he's changed in the last year at USC and all the things that he did. But I think, you know, that sneaky play that Brian Robinson Jr.

was where he was kind of that value heading in the last year. And even this year in the off season, I think it took a hit. Eckler's not amazing, but Eckler still is going to have that PPR upside. So you really have to, you kind of limits his ceiling, what Robinson's going to do. He's got to score touchdowns and that's a touchdown dependent asset. And you got to be very careful with that in fantasy. So, so I, I, I'm going to give you a chance now with question number three to look like a genius, because we did this question a lot last year. We absolutely did have people say Puka Nakua i was saying tank dell which should have been just an absolute smash but because i didn't say puka nakua now it's not not quite as awesome then listen i want to be

clear i've said this multiple times already there's not going to be a puka nakua in 2024 that those don't happen but there is going to be a great rookie sleeper who's your favorite rookie sleeper in this class right now yeah i figured why not just go deep on this one for you all uh you know we do the rookie guy we have like over 150 players in there so wide receivers we had over 60 uh the guy that i have slowly kind of looked at as being kind of that guy that fits this mold ryan florinoy from southeast missouri state um you State. When you're looking at him and you go through the 40-yard dash, 4-4-4, vertical jump almost 40 inches. So his RAS score is 9.83. So relative athletic score from Kim Platt, if you guys don't know who that is. He kind of looks at just, hey,

who's the most athletic? How are they going to do on the field? He is older. He's an older prospect because he basically played six years in college. So he's got to get out there and play right away. But elite level athleticism, he was on the freaks list as well. You know, good footwork route running, very versatile too. I think when you're looking at him as a wide receiver, you go watch his tape, his highlight, very versatile, can play inside out X, even slot. We comped him to Brandon Ayuk and our guide just based on what possibly that third to fifth round kind of evaluation that we have for him, where he could go. I think that he tested very well. I love what he can do.

He's that guy that if he fits into like, I really like, I would love him in like a West Coast scheme. So if he does get drafted by that, that's like the Puka thing. He got drafted in a perfect spot for him that allowed him to excel in the things that he does well. Ryan Florent could be that guy too, depending on where he gets drafted um i'm really loving like maybe the bills later like if he goes in that third or fifth round the bills decide not to take a first round wide receiver someone like that like a team that has that established quarterback jacksonville as well um i would love ryan florida to kind of land there we do have a question in the chat from austin and we're not going to answer it right now but i I'm going to put it up there still. What is your trade value on Addison looking to sell?

We're going to talk about Jordan Addison towards the end of the show when we get into those rankings disputes. Right now, we're going to take a short break, and then we will get into the free agent and trade news we haven't talked about yet. Miller Lite. The light beer brewed for people who love the taste of beer and the perfect pairing for your game time. When Miller Lite set out to brew a light beer, they had to choose great taste or 90 calories per can. They chose both because they knew the best part of beer is the beer.

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So we are back. We didn't have a live show last week. So there's some things that we've got to catch up on. And we're going to start with, I guess, what we would call the bad news. Certainly the bad news if you were someone who had Justin Fields on your dynasty roster. He is traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers for a bag of footballs. No, it's a sixth-round pick that could turn into a fourth-round pick based on playing time. This is a mixed bag, to be sure, because he's going there to back up Russell Wilson, in theory. There will be a little competition, I guess, but I think Wilson's going to start week one.

Wilson's there on a veteran minimum contract, hasn't looked like himself the last two or three seasons just a one-year deal so there is like if you were going to go be a backup there were worse places yeah that you could have gone to be a backup but still this is a guy who anytime he was in the starting lineup for the chicago bears he was in the starting lineup for your fantasy roster he's young enough he's got that rushing profile he He was my QB nine. He is now my, and that was not, not just like last week. That was last month before we realized that nobody wanted to trade anything for Justin Fields. He's fallen now to QB 18 for me. And I, I almost wonder if that's too high. I wrote today about the fact that I can't believe I now have

will Levis ranked higher than Justin Fields in dynasty. It feels super gross, but I don't know for sure that Justin Fields is going to be a starting quarterback in the NFL again. Can you offer me any hope? Well, I mean, the biggest hope I can offer you is that he's going to get out there next year, right? And so I think the elephant in the room is someone's got to get him a contract after this year. So the, the question is like, can he play good well enough in Pittsburgh? Let's say Russell Wilson doesn't play well. And I saw Russell Wilson working out with sunglasses on. So I'm assuming he's not going to play well.

So if you have, if you got Justin Fields, you hope that he gets out there around like week seven or eight. Right. And then he does enough and he's done enough in that room to where they give him that deal, like a Baker deal, like that front loaded two year deal in terms of like, Hey, he's going to

be there for two years. That's best, probably best case scenario for Justin Fields. But like you mentioned, you know, when he is out there, he's a must start in fantasy. I mean, he was QB five and fantasy points per game in 2022, 23, he was QB 12. And I just keep going back to all the people that are starting out there, like Aiden O'Connell, possibly. Right. Some of these other guys that like are out there, like Justin Fields has to be able to find a role. Maybe he doesn't, maybe he does do a Baker Mayfield like path, but maybe it's not with the Steelers.

Maybe in the following year team misses out on a quarterback or one of these teams draft the quarterback and doesn't pan out kind of like what we've been seeing. Like I feel like Justin Fields is always going to have kind of like upside because someone's going to put them on the field. If he gets out there, yeah, you plug him in. But in dynasty right now, yeah, he is a hold. Like you can't, you're not moving Justin Fields unless you can get a first or something back for him. Um, the best hope that you have is that he assimilates really well in that system. He does really well with the, you know, the coaching staff, they like him and that coaching staff decides to bring them back the following year, maybe on a one or two year prove it deal. And they move on from Russell Wilson.

That's the best hope you probably have. And to that point, we know that Arthur Smith loves backup running backs and he loves backup tight ends. Maybe he will find a backup quarterback that he loves here more than his starter. And we can see more Justin Fields than Russell Wilson. I agree with you. There's no chance I'm selling fields right now off this news. I do think it's interesting in a super flex league to think about buying. And I think it's definitely a round two pick that you're talking about. If you're doing that, what's the earliest pick that you would give for fields and a super flex? Yeah. I mean, he's in that purgatory stage of like the owner probably doesn't want to move him and the other guy doesn't want to buy him for that price but if i had to put a valuation on him i would not mind if i'm a contender and i need that

third quarterback and i'm willing to take it the 201 the 202 early second to me is is fine if you're going to take a shot on there knowing the risk that's involved now that wasn't the only trade that the steelers made in fact we've got like three of them here but deontay johnson's now on the carolina panthers yeah and he's gonna try to go fulfill that, uh, that Adam Thielen role, I guess, from last year, although it's a different offense. Now, as you mentioned, Dave Canales there, Johnson has been a bit of an enigma in dynasty because one of the, if not the best, one of the best route runners in the NFL, the dude can get open. He has had a very difficult time turning that ability into fantasy production, especially recently. Now he's played with some awful quarterbacks. We've got questions

about the quarterback he's playing with this year, although I think there's at least more upside with Bryce Young than there is with Kenny Pickett or Mason Rudolph or the ghost of Ben Roethlisberger. Do you view this as an upgrade for Deontay johnson just because you know kind of a fresh start maybe more target opportunity i had him at wide receiver 44 i did upgrade him actually i've got him in the in the 30s now wide receiver 34 where are you at on johnson yeah i have my 33 uh and to me this is a smash upgrade for him because of the offense he's going into dave canal his offense like when you're diving into it so i just did a big piece for football guys. It's coming out this week on Bryce young. I was kind of looking at like risky quarterback. So I did like a deep dive in the Canales offense.

The biggest thing that you mentioned about Deontay Johnson, he's an elite route runner. You know what Dave Canales loves elite route runners because he actually doesn't label his wide receivers. So the one thing that I was mentioning when I was diving into like his offense, he doesn't name them slot or outside. They run the whole route tree and then he just fits them in into his offense, how he sees fit. I think that's why they wanted Deontay Johnson because this kid can run anywhere. He can run from the slot outside. He can kind of, he's not that traditional X, Y, whatever you want to call them and how you want to label them there. So I do think they have like, they have a plan for them, right? Like I always listen to Bucky Brooks

and Daniel Jeremiah, and they always talk about coaching staffs, having a plan for the players that they acquire. They have a plan for Deontay and it's going to fit into that mold for Canales offense. And you know what he's going to get? He's going to get targets. Cause there's no one else on that roster that I'm like, Oh yeah, he's going to earn some targets there. Um, so targets are going to be there plenty. I think he's a fun buy right now, early second, if you can get them, um, in terms of, uh, valuation there. Um, and I love what he's been able to right now early second if you can get him um in terms of valuation there um and i love what he's been able to do with quarterback play he made geno smith look serviceable he got geno smith that second contract he got baker mayfield that second contract and you know when

russell wilson had the best year of his career the last five years was when he was the quarterback coach so when you're thinking of like all the positives going into dave canali's offense and what he's been able to do there that's going to lead to Deontay Johnson. I think he's a fun two-year buy for me. But I also am a Deontay Johnson truther. So everybody listening out here, just know I love the guy as a player. I've been really frustrated with him the last couple of years. So it definitely comes from a bias-y of just thinking that he's very talented. But he's finally in an offense I think is going to placate his strengths.

Well, I've been a Deontay Johnson doubter. And I've got him one spot behind you, and I agree wholeheartedly with buying at an early second round cost. So 100% on board with that, even from a guy who hasn't been as optimistic about Deontay Johnson. A guy I was pretty optimistic about for several years was Mike Williams. He signed with the Jets on a pretty small small contract he was my wide receiver 46 he actually went backwards to wide receiver 54 and part of that is i don't love where he signed and the fact that he's only got a one-year contract and his injury history the other part is the jets are talking like they don't know if he's going to be ready for the start of the season they're pretty concerned about his injury timeline i think it's why he was unable to get a multi-year contract

this is not a guy that I'm particularly optimistic about this year and at 29 years old, maybe for the future. Do you have any more hope than I do? I know. I've never really been

a Mike Williams guy. I don't love him with that turf out there at MetLife either. I'm concerned about his knees and everything there. He just can't stay healthy. And I think that if the Jets do kind of look at that line, I think that there is a possibility of jets go after offensive player in

the draft too, maybe not in the first round, but I don't, I don't see him having that long-term effort. If there's any way you could pivot off of Mike Williams to any type of other asset, I think you have to do that. Right?

Like I saw Mike Williams go straight up for Zamir white and why I don't think some, your white is like a, a valuation of like, yes, he's going to be the guy in Las Vegas I think I'd rather have the shot on the running back that could have the volume if I needed to and I can pivot to get a little younger if there's anywhere I can pivot Mike Williams to get younger out there even like a late second I would definitely do that right now to kind of get out of there even as a contender I think that you can get some of that late second that's going to give you more production and and more consistent

right because Mike Williams biggest thing is I can't plug him in my lineup because he's just inconsistent. Yeah. You don't ever know when he, now again, we have this discussion all the time. If you're talking about a wide receiver or three or a flex, those guys like that, I kind of like, like, I don't, he might score me four points three weeks in a row, but he might get me 30 next week. That's fair. But yes, I mostly agree with you that even as someone who's been pretty excited about Mike Williams, I'm having a hard time. Now, you mentioned Zemir White, and I think that's an excellent transition.

You're clearly a pro. We've got three running backs here. Rico Dattel staying with the Dallas Cowboys. Alexander Madison signs with the Raiders to join Zemir White. And then Deontay Foreman signs with the Dallas Cowboys. Alexander Madison signs with the Raiders to join Samir White, and then Deontay Foreman signs with the Browns. I've got these guys ranked between running back 60 and 75 with Dowdle the highest. Let's start with him. Do you have any hope that he is anything more than he was last year? I think that I don't know what Dallas is doing, and as

a Dallas fan out there, I do think that they're going to definitely target a running back either round two or three. I know I hear a lot of noise about Lloyd and Trey Benson and these guys. So where Dowdle is up, I think he's a very high end backup though. Like, I think that he could assume that role. Like he had some games last year, I think against the giants. I think that he had a touchdown, almost like 60 yards, something like that. Um, like he showed some flashes. I do know the coaching staff likes him. So to me, yeah, I mean,

as far as value goes in Dynasty, because running backs really, the running back market's completely changed now. It's basically, what can they do for me now? What are they going to do for me now? Even the top guys, okay, are they going to stay healthy and do those things? I think Dowdle finds himself in a pretty fun running back to roll. Cause he's the depth chart running back to, and I think that after the draft probably, and he has some value definitely, and you can move off of them,

pivot him. That's where I kind of lean with Dowdle on a lot of these running backs. Like, do they have any value moving for, can I move off of them? Can I kind of trade them for another asset or can I plug them in, in a pinch and dynasty? Like,

okay, these guys are injured. Will he have that? I think he has upside there. Okay. Okay. A little bit of optimism and most of the response i saw to the alexander madison signing was this is fantastic news for zamir white yeah um that you mostly agree like even assume i assume they're going to draft somebody on day three it sounds to me like zamir white's going to be the starting running back and i don't think madison's going to matter all that much would you agree yeah madison to me i've never been a madison guy you know how you have those people

that were never really that guy madison to me i was always a pivot off trade them i was i've been on record doing that i think that i think they like samir white and i think that coaching staff is one of those guys that kind of will ride the hot hand i mean he was a workhorse last he averaged 23 touches down the stretch they love this kid and i think that that's really where it lines madison's just probably insurance it wouldn't shock me to see madison get cut in the preseason like if they draft somebody and they like somebody else speaking of that it wouldn't shock me all that much to see foreman get cut in the preseason but i do wonder because i'm very skeptical that nick chubb's gonna be ready for week one i'm not sure i wouldn't be that surprised if he starts the season on the pup with the significance of that knee injury, his stage of his career.

Yeah. Do you think Foreman matters all in relation to Jerome Ford as a potential early season starter? I think not. I think it's more about what they're trying to do in that offense. Right. Getting Jerry Judy. I think they're going to be more pass happy in terms of like that offense. I know Stefanski usually isn't, but they're trying to

play Kate Watson for whatever that is. Like, I think they're trying to figure out a way to kind of assimilate him into it with Flacco, kind of do what we did last year. So I don't know how many opportunities are going to be there. I'm always a volume guy when it comes to running backs. I'm very old school like that. Like I used to draft, you know, those standard leagues out there, volume, volume, volume. Jerome to me is definitely that volume there i actually like naheem hines a little bit in terms of if he's going to stay there as a pass catcher those type of things pierre strong those type of guys um foreman does not move the needle for me probably whatsoever i mean he might have a little bit upside beginning he kind of reminds me of like

when you're looking at i mean what he was last year for chicago right like oh he could maybe pop out there early in the season and he never did and i think that's kind of the same role he has i i would agree one more piece of news from last week one more steelers trade kenny pickett headed like, oh, he could maybe pop out there early in the season, and he never did. And I think that's kind of the same role he has. I would agree. One more piece of news from last week. One more Steelers trade. Kenny Pickett headed to the Philadelphia Eagles. Do we even have to hold on to him in a super flex league?

No, no. Kenny's done. Make room for him. Your rookie draft, you need to make a fourth-round pick. You can cut Kenny Pickett and make that pick. Let's take one more short break. Bet mode activated. The ScoreBet app here with trusted stats and real-time sports news.

Yeah, hey, who should I take in the Boston game? Well, statistically speaking. Nah, no more statistically speaking. I want hot takes. I want knee-jerk reactions. That's not really what I do. Is that because you don't have any knees? Or?

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All right, Kevin. I've got four rankings conundrums that who should be tied in for. I've got Kyle Pitts versus Dalton Kincaid. I had Kincaid ahead before the Kirk Cousins news. I currently have Pitts ahead, but I don't feel confident in either direction. Sell me on one or the other, Kevin. They're really in the same tier. I think it comes down to, for me, you know Pitts is younger than Kincaid,

which is still a crazy stat for me. I was looking at it, and I'm like, oh my gosh, Kyle Pitts is still younger than Dalton Kincaid. I think that's where we've been conditioned because we've heard Pitts being tied in one for so long, and he hasn't lived up to that expectation. I think it comes down to, like I mentioned earlier, I love the splits in terms of what cousins is able to do in that offense. Uh, obviously, you know, obviously Kincaid plays with a very good quarterback and Josh Allen.

Um, but when you look at the numbers with, when he played with Dawson, when Dawson Knox was out there, when he wasn't injured, you know, he only averaged four targets and three catches and 35 yards per game. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that's what it's going to be, but I do think they like Knox. And I think if they're going to, if they're going to share snaps and targets that limits, you know, Kincaid ceiling a little bit. And I do think the bills go out and grab a, an offensive player. They got to get a wide receiver. I think that Brian Thomas jr. Is in play. I think in the second round of Troy Franklin is there some of those guys. So for me, I lean pits. Now, is he going to burn me again? Probably.

That's just Kyle Pitts. That's his role in Dynasty, to burn all of us. But I do lean Pitts because I think he's going to be the second target getter on that team. I think he's talented. I think they're going to utilize him well in Zach Robinson's offense. So it's close, though, 4-5 for me. I mean, it's a pick-em.

But I lean Pitts just based on upside and ceiling. And Knox being there does hurt. King K. Two wide receivers that I am higher on than consensus for sure. Both top 20 dynasty wide receivers for me. Rashi Rice and Jordan Addison. I have these guys back to back now. Definitely had Addison higher when I expected that Kirk Cousins would be returning to Minnesota. Now Sam Darnold's his quarterback.

And I don't know if that's going to be the case week one, but I don't love it. And honestly, like the Hollywood Brown signing, I felt like was pretty close to a best case scenario for Rice. It's a very complimentary piece that's not going to steal any of those underneath targets that Rice is making his money on. Who would you rather have, Addison or Rice? Yeah, very close. And when it comes down to these tiers of like my rankings, because I hate doing rankings anyway, but when I was looking at my rankings and going through them, they're two spots away from each other.

What is their quarterback? Well, one has Patrick Mahomes, and it's pretty simple when you're looking at that. And to your point about Marquise Brown, very complimentary. Rasheed Rice is a very, you know, you know, mesh guy over in the middle can kind of win at different routes, those types of things where Brown is more that, Hey, he's going to be that MVS, a better version of MVS kind of stretching the field and kind of having that role there.

The big thing that stands out to me is rice had over a hundred catches last year in 1200 yards with only 19% target share. I think it's going to go up. And I think the elephant in the room too, with this, with this receiving room is I think Kelsey's going to take a step back a little bit. I think they're going to, I don't know. I don't think it's maybe like a play or like hidden getting older. I just think that they're going to look at this and say, Hey, you know, we need to get rice and Brown and these guys more involved early in the season. We're going to save Kelsey for later in the season in the playoffs. Um, and you know, the chief's offense probably better than I do as a, you know, as a fan and everything. Um, but I I'm big on rise. I think that, you know, for me, when you're

looking at just his situation is much better. I think he performed. I mean, if it wasn't for Puka, we'd be talking about where she writes having a heck of a wide receiver year as a rookie coming out. Um, so for me, I'm rice on this just based on that quarterback play. Um, and I think that he's going to be kind of their wide receiver one and who doesn't want the wide receiver one for Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, I, I, I have him one spot ahead. So I've got Rice ahead of Addison. Again, like I said, I think I'm higher than contentious on both these guys. They're 15 and 16 or 16 and 17 for me right now. I haven't added the rookies yet, so that'll drop a little bit in the next month.

But I do think that with Rice, I'm always a full season statistics are more predictive than second half statistics kind of guy, except maybe with rookie wide receivers. And if you look at what Rice did once he became a full-time player last year, you wouldn't be that far off projecting him to be a wide receiver one this year. And so the guy's second year in the league with Patrick Mahomes, who could be that, I wouldn't be surprised if he goes up from where I have him ranked once the season gets started. We've got a couple of running backs on the same. How often are two running backs on the same team back-to-back in my dynasty rankings? Not very often.

Did not love Tony Pollard signing with the Tennessee Titans. TyJ Spears, they're with him. I have these guys back-to-back now. Spears was about five spots ahead of Pollard before the signing. They're so far apart. I think four years apart in age, completely different profiles. But if I'm projecting one of them to be a workhorse and a potential league

winner this year, it's Pollard. So which of those guys would you value higher in dynasty? So this really comes down to an age question. Probably we were talking about valuing higher because I would value Spears higher because he has more upside and like there's ageism is real in dynasty so when people look at pollard as soon as you draft paul or have paul in a roster it's like buying that that new car it's used at the lot and tony pollard is used for evaluation there so spears to me can be that guy where like

i didn't love spears at his adp like like seven or eight, like, you know, pre pre Pollard. And now he's like 10, 11. I'm like, yeah, I can buy there. Like, I think that that's a good value. It's funny how that works. It's like two or three rounds. You're like, yeah, I'll buy that now. Um, and you have to like it because you know, when you're looking at this fantasy points data, they do a really good job of it. Um, he ranked fifth and explosive runway last year, 14th and yards after contact, he looks really, really good. And he can be kind of a three down guy too. Um, you know, seventh and target share last year. Um, and I do love their offense. Now, when you're thinking of what they're bringing over, um, Cincinnati's office coordinator coming over to, um, Tennessee there, I think they're going to

get a more involved and you look at how mixing kind of was involved in that. And they use chase Brown in that way as well last year. So to me, I think Spears is the better value. If you want to lean on Pollard this year, I think there might be a possibility there. It's just he did not look the same after that injury. There was something. He didn't look explosive. So Spears to me is the better play just from a value perspective.

Yeah, I have Spears one spot ahead of Pollard. I think this is the thing I love about tiers is you can get guys like this. Because I do think I get a little bit worried about the young guy who was on the team and the coaching staff goes and pays the new guy. So this coaching staff chose Tony Pollard, did not choose Tajay Spears. That doesn't always mean everything. It certainly didn't mean anything with Miles sanders and chuba hubbard last year um but so i but what i was going to say about tears is i i don't i think these are great trade partners if you've got a contender and a rebuilder because a rebuilder

should have no use for tony pollard and i think pollard's i personally think pollard's gonna be quite a bit better for a team trying to win it all this year than Spears is. One more at the quarterback position. And maybe this guy should be the biggest loser of the free agency and coaching change season. Justin Herbert. Listen, great coach for the Chargers. I'm not sure great coach for Justin Herbert's fantasy value in terms of how many times he's going to get to throw the ball. Oh, yeah. And he lost Mike Williams and Keenan Allen.osh palmer's currently his number one wide receiver now they'll

probably draft somebody early or they'll draft an offensive lineman so they can run block uh justin herbert versus kyler murray i have these two back-to-back in my rankings right now weren't even close a year ago but here we are yeah you know it's so funny you're like in my mind because i've been writing a i wrote like a quarterback piece on like, you know, riskiest assets and I had Herbert on there and I just turned it in and you know, I can't be a fraud here. So what I've put in there, when you're looking at Justin Herbert last year, career, low completion percentage yards, touchdowns, he was very inconsistent. He did have six top 10 weeks though, but you couldn't really start him there with Harbaugh just for everybody out there. And Greg Roman, when you're thinking of their time

in San Francisco, this is how they finished in passing attempts each year, 31st, 31st, 32nd, 29th. And Denny Carter put that out recently. He's talking about that. Then at Michigan, I mean, their passing rate was 117th out of 130th. Now, do I think it will be that crazy and inefficient in terms of passing? No, I think that Harbaugh is smart as a Michigan fan. He knows why he went there for Herbert, but I think it's going to just heavily rely on touchdowns. I think that the offense can be efficient and they can be good, but then you're looking at Herbert just throwing more touchdowns there from a fantasy perspective. Now I have Herbert ranked higher, but if I could get, and what I wrote about is if I

could get Kyla Murray plus, I probably do that. Like if I can move tier down a little bit, where it's not a big tier, it's like QB seven to QB 10, but I could get some type of added assets to that. I would probably do that and grab Kyler Murray. I'm pretty high there. If they go out there and get Marvin Harrison jr. Even higher. Right. And I think that that discount goes away if they do that. So I think there's still some unknown with the Cardinals and what they're going to do in the draft. I mean, I saw a mock where they drafted two wide receivers in the first two rounds. If they do that for Kyler Murray McBride and an underrated offense out there, I think we could be talking about Kyler Murray again being a top five guy. And then Herbert out here just handing the ball off

20 times, 25, 30 times a game. And I think if you can pivot down a little bit and get plus, I think that's the move in dynasty right now. Yeah. I mean, there might be a situation where Justin Herbert has his worst statistical season and his first playoff season, which I would guess he would trade and every one of his dynasty managers would not.

So we see, have a comment in the chat here that Arizona might trade back. Listen, if Arizona trades back and the Chargers get Marvin Harrison, this is a completely different discussion. But I do currently have Herbert one spot ahead. You said seven and ten. I have them at eight and nine.

I'm going to see if I can guess the two guys that you have in between them. Let's see if I can get my crystal ball out. And I'm going to guess the two guys that you have between those guys are Anthony Richardson and Trevor Lawrence. Lamar. get my my crystal ball out and i'm going to guess the two guys that you have between those guys are anthony richardson and trevor lawrence uh lamar i have lamar right there i'm actually a little lower oh we definitely should have had to talk about lamar go ahead and who was who was that uh lamar and then anthony richardson yeah okay so lawrence you have ahead of these guys uh lawrence behind those guys okay yeah okay that is Okay. That is good, good stuff.

So like you said, you are in the thick of the, like we all are right now, like trying to figure out these rookies. And then they're going to have the draft. The NFL is going to tell us what they think of them. We're all going to have to scramble to change all of our opinions. Yeah. But let's talk about these top four quarterbacks right now. How are you ranking the top four quarterbacks?

And how will landing spot change that? Yeah. So, you know, I want to reiterate something that I do that I started doing a few years ago is when I, whatever team that I think is going to draft a quarterback, I rank their everything, weapons, staff, offensive line, defense. And that's how I rank them. And then once they get drafted, like you said, and once we figure out that they're way smarter than we are, when we're trying to predict these things, then I usually take that into account based on landing spot.

Now, as far as my top four, I have Caleb and Drake in the top two. And this is fantasy, too, just so everybody knows, like in terms of fantasy rankings. And I do have Jaden and JJ kind of the same at three, depending on landing spot to me. I do think Jaden is unique because he has upsided from a rushing standpoint. JJ does too. I think that he's a little underrated there in terms of what he can do, but that's really how like the four kind of like rank for me. I think Drake may has been going through the,

he's going to be going through the ringer a little bit out there on social media and stuff. And I, you know, I go back to it and he, he's an elite passer and he can really play in any system. The thing with Drake and Caleb, I think that separates themselves from Jaden and JJ for me, and we just did a deep dive on the football guy's stuff too, is man, they can play in any system. I think that they're system, they're not system dependent. I think Caleb and Drake can play in a West Coast scheme if they needed to. They can play in Waldron's offense if they needed to. They can play in Kingsbury because they played 90% of their snaps and shotgun. Like when you're looking at what they can do where Jaden and JJ, whoever

drafts those guys, you better have a plan and they, they really need that system. I think Jaden would do well in a vertical passing offense, kind of what he played with LSU. Like if he goes to somewhere else where it's not vertical scheme, it's not air raid type area. I'm a little concerned. And in JJ, they got to build an entire roster around him. Like it's going to be something where, Hey, this is how he's going to do it. Kind of at Michigan, the same thing. Um, that's kind of how I ranked those four as far as landing spot. I think bears and Vikings to me are the best spot for a quarterback. Um, and the bears kind of come in with probably the best situation that rookie quarterback has seen. I know we've seen the narrative and people will roll their eyes, but when you think about the weapons they have, you know, I rate him a seven on my scale

staff, Shane Waldron, again, made Gino Smith look serviceable, which to me is something, you know, really beholden. I think he knows how to protect his quarterbacks. Offensive line is incomplete for me right now, but defense, I think what we underrate how, how rookie quarterbacks need that good defense to keep them off the field, to be in positive game scripts, those type of things. I love that spot. Them and the Vikings. The worst spot to me is New England.

I'm out. I'm glad you let me into that. That's my next question. You've got Drake May as QB2 and as kind of a clear QB2. Let's just say we get to draft day. Caleb goes number one, as we expect. Anybody, anybody, Daniels or McCarthy, goes number two. we expect anybody anybody daniels or mccarthy goes number two and drake may falls to three to the patriots is he still the second quarterback in

your dynasty rookie rankings i i i've already said it i'm avoiding any quarterback that goes in new england so if he if he was to go there right good for him i hope you overcome the the adversity that you got there but that's one of those ones where it's like, you take the risk. I don't want the risk. I didn't draft any Kenny Pickett for that same reason because I didn't like him as a player, but also like I was concerned about the spot. Then you look at New England. Like I went, I labeled him one for weapons.

I don't see like, you know, offensive line really bad. I love Demario Douglas. Okay. I like Demario Douglas too. I do. I like Demario, but like staff one, Alexlex van pell was not good with the browns he was that that is not a staff that i want developing a quarterback there um and so to me yeah if anybody goes to england i'm just gonna not i'm just gonna avoid them i just think that it's kind of like

it's too risky for me where i can take some upside with jayden and jj or go get malik neighbors in that same spot in the rookie draft yeah i mean i could not could not like i'm not i don't want to draft the quarterback who goes to england now we mean, I could not, I don't want to draft the quarterback who goes to England. Now, we talk about landing spot for quarterback. I don't think that probably matters as much as landing spot for running back, especially with this class.

There seems to be a pretty clear top five or six running backs that people are ready to get excited about when they find out who gets drafted in round two. I guess I'll ask you to try to avoid that cop out. Are there any running backs in this class that you love before we know their standing spot? Yeah. I mean, I don't mind throwing some out there, you know, in terms of I did the running backs for the guide and, you know, I got a little, um, some people got mad at my running back one,

but mine was Jalen Wright pre NFL combine. I was a big fan of Jalen Wright from Tennessee and I'm sticking to that. He had a 9.81 relative athletic score, ran a 4.38, has that explosiveness. I think he can be in multiple schemes. I love his one-cut ability. And when you're looking at skill base, what he has, he has big playability and upside. And I think if you're looking at running backs pre-landing spot, that's what you want to see. Can he get on the field early?

And he can, I think that, um, he doesn't have a ton of like red flags to me in his profile. If he gets the draft capital, I'm all aboard you in the right. Like I think, and again, I also want to mention to the people watching, I've shifted my viewpoint on draft capital with running backs. Um, if, if they're fourth or fifth round, I'm still in because the way that running backs getting valued NFL, they can still have a role, right? Like Ky. Because the way the running backs are getting valued in NFL, they can still have a role, right? Like Kyron Williams, these other guys.

And to me, it's all about scheme fit. So if Jalen goes in like the fifth round to a team that can utilize him very well, let's say he goes to the Panthers or something like that, and another Trey Benson goes to a really crowded running back room, I'm okay drafting Jalen Wright where he's at, even if he doesn't get the good capital of some other people. Okay. Okay.

And I think that does put you on a bit of an island because for the most part when we've talked to people about running backs on this show it's they'll talk about the guy that i like and maybe maybe it's blake quorum you know maybe it's who nobody never matter who it is but let's see who gets drafted in round two let's see who gets drafted by the cowboys or who gets drafted by the chargers and then we'll i'll go with that guy let's talk about the wide receivers that's much more fun there's a lot more fun wide receivers's talk about the wide receivers. That's much more fun. There's a lot more fun wide receivers to talk about. First off, do you agree that it's Harrison,

Nabors, Adunze as the top three wide receivers? And would you put Nabors closer to Adunze or to Harrison? You know, I agree those are the three. So, you know, if you're looking at like your tiers, yeah, absolutely. To me, Nabors is closer to Harrison than he is Adunze. I think, you know, when you're looking at his explosive top end speed, your your tears yeah absolutely to me neighbors is closer to harrison than he is a dunesay um i think uh you know when you're looking at his explosive top end speed i think i know he didn't

test at the combine but he has that i think really what separates you know neighbors from a dunesay a little bit is i think that he's creative after the catch and he transitions very well in yards after catchability like a dunesay does that i think you know he has that yard after catchability but neighbors is explosive um and i think he steps in right away being a wide receiver one where i think it takes adunze a little bit more time um i love the system that he was in there but neighbors is very close to marvin harrison for me i think like landing spot man if he goes to a spot where you're really excited about um like if he's the wide receiver one for the the chargers all of a sudden now like our outlook changes completely right we're like oh okay neighbors can be that guy um but he's very close to marvin harrison jr so that most people

agree on that top three very few people seem to agree on who wide receiver four is and that might be determined by landing spot or draft capital also but who's your wide receiver four right now so i might get egg in my face on this one but i i've i've been a long standing i play you know college fantasy football um xavier worthy to me is my wider seat before it's kind of like i guess a flag plant even though i hate that term um but fast right four two one the funniest thing he to me was in the combine happened remember when he weighed in at like 165 and everybody's like oh he better run fast and then he runs fast and everybody's like oh that's too fast i'm like wait a minute no no yeah you're in too fast that's too fast. I'm like, wait a minute. No, no, no. Yeah. You ran too fast. That's John Ross. I'm like, wait a minute. You can't do both. Like you can't like, what are you moving the goalposts for? So like, to me,

I think that, you know, he has create creativity and catch situations, a natural deep threat, right? Like he's someone that can definitely stretch the field. He fits NFL systems. Now he's versatile. He can do anything. And here's the thing about Xavier. Most people are just going to put him in a slot because he's five 11, one 65. No, he can do anything and here's the thing about xavier most people are just going to put him in a slot because he's 511 165 no he can play outside he has the ability to play outside he played with a quarterback that wasn't very good in college in quinn ewers he couldn't get in the ball at times but i think he's actually versatile in scheme like i don't think he's just a slot guy he can be but i think he can play on the outside which increases his kind of value to me at that wide receiver four mark yeah i i think um i i have no problem with it at four i had franklin at four before the combine

and i'm trying to hold on to that but it's getting more difficult there's probably five guys who could be wide receiver four my joke was that who's whoever the chiefs took at 32 was going to be wide receiver four maybe that's not happening now that they got marquise brown maybe it is then we won't feel quite as good about rushy rice uh let's talk about the tight ends though. I've got a bad relationship with tight ends in rookie drafts. It worked out really well with Sam Laporta last year, but for the most part, I don't love first round tight ends in either the NFL draft or my rookie drafts. Kyle Pitts, maybe that's just some aftertaste effect from him, but how do you feel about Brock Bowers as a round one pick in the NFL draft and in rookie drafts?

Yeah, I mean, as far as NFL, I think that, you know, with the emergence of Laporta and these guys, I think Brock will have a role. I think that, you know, I think that he's going to slip a little bit in teams just based on what teams need at the top. And with the tackles kind of getting pushed out of that offensive line there. But yeah, I think if he went to the Colts, you know, if he went to one of these teams, you're like, wow, Hey, he can be that guy, but like anything, like you said about tight ends, give me the guy who's the tight end or wide receiver too. So Brock Bowers can be the wide receiver too. He's going to be that target guy. He's going to earn the second most targets. I'm all in on Brock Bowers and that, in that mindset of where he gets drafted as far as rookie drafts, where I'm comfortable with him right now, I still, and that mindset of where he gets drafted as far as rookie drafts,

where I'm comfortable with him right now. I still think it's one Oh six, one Oh seven. I won't take Bowers before that. I think that the value is too, too much for those other guys in that tier base. So I had the four quarterbacks or three quarterbacks, the two wide receivers.

A dunes is kind of that flip for me. Like who would you rather have based on your build and your roster build? So that's kind of where his value is for me as a, as a tight end, as a, as a prospect. And I think, you know, someone was talking about it much smarter than I was, but they were talking about how like the emergence of all these young tight ends, like Laporta, McBride, Kincaid, all these guys, like maybe they make like the Bowers value shift down a little bit. Cause you don't need them. Maybe you have McBride and these other guys in your roster. And so that's maybe where the value we're seeing the value flip a little bit,

which is good because if you can get Brock Bowersers at 107 i think you're excited about that as opposed to having to go like 104 103 which he was before the season right yeah i think assuming that we get four quarterbacks in the first 10 picks i'm probably 108 those top three wide receivers and the four quarterbacks but again i'm generally a little bit more skeptical of those tight ends and i do think it's it's important to remind people like sam laporter was not a first round rookie pick last year like so it'd be okay i do do you think any other tight in this class matters in the next year tight ends matter come on he yeah i mean um i like i you know i like ben senate from kansas state i think he's interesting's interesting because when you're watching him,

I'm a big college guy, so I love watching him. He's versatile, great athlete. And when you're looking at athletes, that's what you're looking at, that tight end position. The question for me with Ben is, will he be a tight end or is he going to be like an H-back, fullback type version? And if that's the case, then I'm kind of out. I think the most intriguing guy to me is Theo Johnson. Yes.

He, you know, measured relative out of that, his score, almost a 10 perfect 10, um, great athlete. People don't know this about him, but he played high school ball in Canada and, you know, they struggled developing him a little bit when you watch it. I watched Max don't, don't judge me, but I watched Max, Max preps tape of him in high school. And like, when you're watching those grainy films from Canada, you're like, oh, okay.

It's like, he was a man amongst boys out there and in Penn state, they developed tight ends, but they didn't really have that production. That offense really struggled there. I think Theo could be the guy, like you're looking in that second, the third round of your rookie drafts. You're like, oh man, he landed in the bangles in the third round. Oh, I love this spot for him. I'm all aboard the Theo Johnson train.

So I think Theo is the other guy that you really should have on your radar. That is Kevin Coleman. Kevin, thank you so much for being here. Everybody go follow him on Twitter at Dubois underscore 22. Kevin, tell everybody where they can find your work one more time. Yeah, you can find my written work and our Dynasty show over

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