Fantasy Football Today - FFT Dynasty Superflex Startup Mock Draft | Early QB runs, discount TEs and older WRs

Episode Date: July 24, 2024

Heath Cummings welcomes Adam Pfeifer from FTN Fantasy as they do a Superflex Startup Mock Dynasty Fantasy Draft. Intro (0:00) Round 1 (:48) Round 2 (3:22) Round 3 (7:50) Round 4 (11:56) Round 5 (16:59) Round 6 (20:21) Round 7 (25:11) Round 8 (28:17) Round 9 (33:02) Round 10 (37:32) Round 11(40:54) Round 12 (45:55) Round 13 (48:50) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Really tough kind of time for Dynasty. Obviously, it's starting to ramp up now that we have training camps kicking off. But I'm looking through like four of my five Dynasty leagues like the past two weeks and just nothing's happening. I messaged the group and I was like, can we get a trade something like this is we need something. But luckily, we're getting close. So, yeah, well, I think and part redraft world right about now, the time that training camps start, which is kind of a shame because this is a great time for Dynasty, in my opinion. We've got all these rookies getting into training camps. We've got the guys on new teams.

We've got some opportunities for some real shifts in value and not just real shifts in value, but some fake shifts in value that you can profit off of like i think one of the great examples is the running back situation in denver we hear over and over and over again and javante williams might get cut jaleel mclaughlin at 175 pounds is going to be the lead running back i want to start here we're going to jump into the mock draft and just do that almost entirely but i don't provide a very unbiased opinion on that bronco situation what is your take on all of this have we actually heard any real news all summer i lean towards no the only thing that kind of has me a little bit with

my eyebrow raised with the giovante williams stuff is that like he's really the only running back that sean payton really hasn't like brought in, right? Like everybody else he brought in essentially. But like, I still struggle to believe that team is deep enough. Like unless Audrick Estime in camp and preseason is just like unbelievable, I would be pretty surprised if Javante got cut. But like, if even if he's even remotely on the roster bubble why not try to trade him to Dallas or somebody first before cutting him right right and I think like if it was someone other than Sean Payton and the way that Sean Payton has kind of behaved the last 18 months then I probably wouldn't believe it at all I don't believe that samaj AP Ryan or Audrey guesstimate

or Jaleel McLaughlin are actually better starting running backs than Javante Williams, but I'm not sure that's exactly what matters. I think what you hit on there is probably the biggest part of the risk. Now we are doing a super flex, full PPR mock draft, two running backs, two wide receivers, one regular flex. I started the draft off with the first pick because i'm trying to host a podcast and i need to pick on the corners i took patrick mahomes he is my qb1 in both redraft and dynasty that makes adam upset because he's the world's biggest josh allen fan josh allen went second followed by and this is interesting cj stroud lamar jackson jalen hertz anthony richardson so one two three four five

six quarterbacks off the board to start the draft adam's going to be coming back up here in just a second and not necessarily in the order you would expect i will say that all of our drafts almost all of them are six points per pass touchdown so that elevates Stroud just a little bit I think it's fair to wonder if Stroud's got maybe an extra five years of runway in terms of dynasty value over Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts but in terms of 2024 projection man there might be a five point per game difference between the two guys that went behind Stroud. And so Adam, I think when people go young early in the draft, um, or the opposite, I often think, okay, the rest of their draft should kind of be influenced by that. Like you're either, if you want obviously to win now in the first couple of rounds, then don't be taking rookies

that we don't think you're going to play very much this year in round five and six just because they're young. Does Stroud that early influence the rest of your team or is it going to take a couple of picks before you decide what you're doing there? I feel like that's kind of my thought process in most startups. Like I need at least two, three selections to really know the direction my team's going um and yeah I was a little bit surprised Stroud went third just because like there's been this like talking point this offseason of like okay like he's amazing after his rookie season but like in Dynasty as he's somewhat overvalued now because like I don't think he should be going ahead of Lamar or Richardson probably um not that he shouldn't belong in that tier.

It's just like you mentioned. If he's not giving you the rushing production, he could be on a per-game basis a handful of points worse than those guys. So I was a little bit surprised. But at the end of the day, it clearly is a sign that he's going to be towards the top for the next 10 plus years, most likely. So I do like this, this draft room, a bunch of pros, we show up in like five minutes into the draft. We're almost two rounds in, nobody misses their first pick. So as you're watching the draft board on YouTube, we're going to be a little bit behind that recapping the picks for the podcast. You can kind of get the best of both worlds when you're watching on YouTube, I feel like, but I

don't want to be confusing you guys. I'm going to go through round one here. And another observation I've got at Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, CJ Stroud, then Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Anthony Richardson, Jalen Hurts, Jamar Chase goesalen Hurts, or Jamar Chase, goes as wide receiver one, followed immediately by CeeDee Lamb, then Jordan Love, Kyler Murray, Joe Burrow, and Justin Jefferson. So really two things there. Chase, Lamb, Jefferson as the wide receiver order,

and no Bijan or Brees in the first 12 picks. What are your thoughts on those two things? So I am really high on Jamar Chase. Like I don't have a problem with him being the first receiver in dynasty. Like if you're talking redraft for 2024, he's actually my widest year one. And then it was obviously the stuff we got with his contract. They'll get it done.

But if you look at Jamar Chase, last year was a weird season because Joe Burrow had the calf coming into the season, and their offense was completely kind of, it was just held back. There was zero play action. His play action rate dropped by like 5% in the first handful of weeks when his calf was a problem, and he was getting the ball out faster than any quarterback outside of Tua. And then he got healthy. It was the week five game against Arizona. Jamar Chase went crazy. He had like 200 yards and two touchdowns.

And from weeks five to 10, Jamar Chase averaged like over 100 receiving yards, eight catches, 10 plus targets. And he was at 23 fantasy points per game, which was right where CeeDee Lamb and Tyreek Hill were for the season. So if you're telling me Chase is healthy and Burrow's healthy, which the latter has definitely been a concern, I think that's one of the reasons on top of him being an elite talent is why I have him as my widest year one for this season. And if you're projecting it for dynasty and you want him paired with Joe Burrow for the next handful of years, there's question marks

with Dax longevity in Dallas. And obviously Justin Jefferson has quarterback question marks all of a sudden now in Minnesota, I have no problem with Chase at wide is your one. I'm going to do something that everyone's going to hate because isn't that what I generally do in these drafts? I just can't not. So what happened was I talked about no Brees Hall and no B. John Robinson in first pretty insane round. And then no Brees Hall, no B. John Robinson in the top 20 picks. So we get to the end of round two, and I'll recap round two in just a moment.

We get to the end of round two, and I've got Patrick Mahomes, and there's like three, six, eight wide receivers off the board, and B. John's still there. That was the easy pick for me. Yeah. But very easy pick. What I did after that, I had no idea. My top ranked wide receiver was Tyree Kill, but if I'm going to take a 30 year old wide receiver, then why wouldn't I just take Christian McCaffrey?

Yeah, definitely. If we were playing this league out, I would not want to play your team. I start off the draft with Patrick Mahomes, Bijan Robinson, and Christian McCaffrey. Good luck doing that in real life. I do have one. My main dynasty team has those two running backs and it is absolutely a blast. Yes, it's lots of fun. Now, listen, I got burned last year in the offseason and we did the draft live on this YouTube show. Some of you probably remember it. And I drafted almost everybody that got hurt last year. And after the draft, Adam Azer was really mad

because I already had a clear I was going to win it this year. I ended up with the third pick this year. So things can go wrong when you draft to win now. How much, if you start with Mahomes, Bijan, and McCaffrey in a super flex league, how much are you leaning into win now? I would say like 90% at that point. So we're going to draft older wide receivers. We might be looking at Travis Kelsey when we come back around.

Let's just go win the league. For now, let's recap round two, and I want to get your thoughts on the guys that were taken ahead of Bijan. So Amon Ross St. Brown goes with the 13th pick. Great pick. I love that. Then Dak. Then you took Caleb Williams. Marvin Harrison Jr. goes.

Justin Herbert. Jaden Daniels. Garrett Wilson. Trevor Lawrence. A.J. Brown. Then Brees Hall. Puka Nakua. bijan robinson almost all wide receivers and quarterbacks there in round two you took caleb with the 15th pick with your first pick you took kyler murray love that start in terms of quarterbacks

definitely have what i think is a qb one for this year and a QB two for this year. So I think taking the younger quarterback, who's probably going to be in a better in a couple of years, not necessarily influencing your direction as to whether you're playing for this year or not. You've got it. You've got all options still open, right? Yeah. And I debated between Caleb and Herbert, but with what that offense could look like, I don't, I'm not sold that they'll be as run heavy as everybody else thinks, because you look at the Greg Roman offenses in the past and the Jim Harbaugh teams in the past, they had the personnel

to be as run heavy as they were. They had great actual run games and great defenses. That's not really the case with the chargers. And like, they're playing the chiefs twice a year. They're playing some high powered AFC teams where they're down 17-3 in the second quarter like but at the end of the day if I have Herbert and Caleb for this season both as like quarterback two options why not take the guy that's younger in the offense I think probably gonna be better so I was actually pretty surprised to get Caleb where I got him in a super flex dynasty startup I mean you know uh early second round on the on the way back after getting kyler i was

pretty happy to do that and you are on the clock in round three with those two quarterbacks basically every position but quarterback open and again we just continue to see the running backs get yeah and that's that's what i was going to mention when like breeze and bijan fell we have a lot of really smart people in this room. And I wonder if everybody's kind of mindset is running backs shouldn't be valued as highly in dynasty because all of a sudden that, that two year window could become, I mean, look at Damian Pierce, look at some of these guys. So I wonder if that was part of it,

but also at the same time, we're talking about the elite of the elite. I mean, Gibbs went what early to mid third round in this draft. Well, you passed on Jonathan Taylor taylor to take davante smith yeah and now we see davante smith go at the three four turn or jonathan taylor go with the three four turn just the so four running backs taken in the first three rounds of this draft um i think it kind of feels like what we do with quarterbacks in analyst drafts and redraft. People get in these drafts and they think, well, I know nobody's going to take a quarterback, so I can just wait and wait and wait. And it's not going to cost me anything because there will be a great quarterback available in round 10.

There's going to be great running backs in this draft now available in round nine or round 10. And so people just keep passing on them and try to make the guy like me who starts off with Patrick Mahomes, B. John Robinson, and Christian McCaffrey feel dumb about it. Let's take a look at what happened in round three in this draft. Christian McCaffrey goes first by taken by me, then Brock Purdy, Tyreek Hill, Jared Goff. And like that, it's super flex and it's dynasty. But that combination of four players is still pretty hilarious. Christian McCaffrey, Brock Purdy, Tyreek Hill, Jared Goff, then Jameer Gibbs, then Tua. Malik Navers to Adam Azer with the 31st pick. Jacob Gibbs takes Drake London.

Kind of surprised he fell that far. Yeah, I was hoping he made it back to me. Nico Collins, Devontae Smith, and Sam Laporta and Trey McBride go back-to-back at the end of third round. Right about where I have them in Dynasty. I think that's a good spot. Do you have a strong take on Laporta versus McBride this year in Dynasty? Or do you just think it's really close? Yeah, I think there's really close yeah i think it's like there's

obviously pros for both i do think laporta's touchdowns will come down um but for me it's like it really comes down to personal preference uh i would lean towards laporta just because that offense has been as good as it gets there's so much continuity with that offense um but you really can't go wrong, I don't think. Now we're going to get into one of these situations for me when it gets to my pick, and I want to ask you kind of how you handle it. So you could say you read the draft room wrong or just that you have maybe the top two running backs in the league and the top quarterback in the league this year and you're okay with it.

But you get to the three, four turn and your top four or five players on your board are a position that you have kind of already satisfied. Do you just ignore that? Or you just keep like you're at the dynasty league. I'm going to stockpile value. Somebody's going to need these guys and we'll figure it out when the season starts. You're not drafting your starting lineup today.

In other words, exactly. That's how I view it as well. Like I'm not just going to go, okay, quarterback's done, running back's done, wide receivers done. I have to draft a tight end here. For instance, um, it really just comes down to players that like, for instance, like even if I didn't want to go the running back approach where you were, let's say there's no way I was going to pass on Bijan Robinson for instance so really comes down to value and yeah like you mentioned like dynasty you have to also look at it with the lens of what could this player be worth down the line if somebody needed to acquire somebody it's not the same as redraft where yes you you shouldn't ever really draft to trade in mind but if you are going

to do it more so it should be in a dynasty format so we are waiting on matt donnelly with the the next to last pick of round four and i'm just like my second pick is going to be a very difficult decision i'm hoping he doesn't also make my first pick a difficult decision because there is in terms of the positions that are still available i feel okay about at least one of them and i'll make that pick i made the joke about well i guess i take travis kelsey at the end of round four well in dynasty you don't if mark andrews is still there yeah and he's seven years younger so i will take mark andrews at the end of round four so insane by the way to say that out loud seven years younger like like you wouldn't like you know you know kelsey's relatively older but seven just sounds insane

oh absolutely so i've got my homes bijan mcafree and mark andrews haven't had to make the difficult decision about doubling or tripling up on the running back quite yet i think at this point you go get the wide receiver who you think could be a young wide receiver one still. And so I'm going to do a little bit of a reach. This always happens during mocks. It doesn't generally happen to me until we get to like round eight or round nine, but we get to the point to where I can't keep track of both the draft and the breaks like I'm supposed to do right now. So we'll take a short break and then I will make my pick.

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and two of the best running backs in the game? I've got a little bit of room here to just make a swing pick on one of my guys. And George Pickens, obviously one of my guys for this season. He is now also my wide receiver one. And I'm not even entirely sure that we're going to get to the end of this year and people are going to say, well, you didn't have a wide receiver one. I think I might.

I'm very excited about what he's going to do this season with the quarterback upgrade, with what I would say is the offensive coordinator upgrade. What are you feeling about the Steelers' offense and Pickens in particular? Yeah, I think he's super interesting because you obviously have that four-game sample where Deontay was out where he was awesome. The target share, target prout run rates were fantastic. I think it's so interesting the offense he's in and the quarterbacks he's going to be playing with

because Arthur Smith's scheme has always been passes over the middle of the field and obviously running the football 57 times and then Russell Wilson and Justin Fields have always been hold on to the football throw the football downfield in the sidelines that changed with Russ last year and Sean Payton's scheme so I think it's so interesting but styl, I think Pickens is an awesome pairing with whoever's under center for the Steelers. And obviously, we saw a little bit once Matt Canada was gone. Because remember when Matt Canada was there, it was literally like 30% of the time George Pickens was running a go route. Maybe he makes an awesome contested catch. It was still more go routes than you'd like to see.

But it went down a little bit once they moved on from Canada. And now I hopefully will expect to see a lot more diversity in the routes he runs so i'm pretty excited about george pickens i don't even think that's that much of a reach a because it's dynasty b because you're on the turn anyway you're not going to be up for a long time so i don't even view that as a reach to be honest i love you making me feel better about my team let's take a look at round four and then we'll take a look at your team after you make a couple of picks here. So we had Jonathan Taylor go off the board at the first pick of round four,

followed by Chris Olave, Saquon Barkley, Devon Aitian. That's really surprising to me, too. We need to talk about you taking Barkley over Aitian. Jalen Waddell, Deshaun Watson, Brandon Ayuk, Travis Etienne, Michael Pittman, Kyron Williams, DJ Moore, and then I took Mark Andrews. So Taylor, Olave, Barkley, A-Chan, Waddle, Watson, Ayuk, Etienne, Pittman, Kyron, DJ Moore, and Mark Andrews. Was the Barkley over A-Chan a like inflection point where you decided,

okay, we're playing for, for now. It was a partially that B like you mentioned all the time, doing these drafts while doing the show is a lot more difficult. And I actually thought a Chan was gone. So that was a little bit of a, a miss,

a missed step by me, but I'm, I'm fine with Barkley. The reason I took Devonta Smith to before that was because I saw Barkley was there. I actually thought Taylor was there too. Well, yeah, Taylor was there. So I knew I would probably get one of the two, and I have viewed Taylor and Barkley relatively similar tiers.

And, man, I'm telling you, the more I do work and analysis on Devonta Smith, the more excited I am about him. I think it's really interesting who's going to play what role in the Kellen Moore offense because there is a chance that Kellen Moore's – first off, I think there's a chance we're sleeping on how much Jalen Hurts is going to throw this year. And he still has the tush push and the one-yard touchdown runs, but he also throws for 4,500 yards.

And both Smith and Brown are just awesome again. But I think there's a chance he really unlocks Devante Smith and he is just viewed as a consensus top 12 dynasty wide receiver like four weeks into the season. Yeah. So I, I took him over Chris Alave, which I normally don't do. Cause I do like Alave, but like you look at the Eagles last year they were dead last in pre-snap motion they just didn't run it DeMonta Smith and A.J. Brown in particular according to FTN data they were like DeMonta Smith was in pre-snap motion like three percent of the time like it was literally just go make plays down the field hopefully it works out if it doesn't

well we're screwed that's what you saw in the second half of the season when their offense just completely stalled I don't think it's going to be to the same level of Keenan Allen who was like 30 percent pre-snap motion almost but if he's getting more of those layup touches and more usage from the slot because he's only been the slot like 30 percent of the time for his career maybe slightly less I'm not saying he's going to outscore A.J. Brown but if he gets that role I think it could be a lot closer than people think. And he's still super young. He's been really good in a role that's been a little bit inconsistent for fantasy. If we get more scheme touches from him, I think Devonta Smith could be unbelievable in this offense.

And we know the pace is going to be massive with Kellen Moore, too. So we saw a pretty big gap here in the quarterbacks. We had just a ton of them taken in the first two rounds three of them in round three brock purdy jared goff and tua just one in round four i mentioned deshaun watson just one in round five drake may and so far in the first half of round six just one jj mccarthy and i i think that makes sense i think that one of the biggest mistakes people make in super flex drafts both redraft and dynasty is they miss the good starting quarterbacks and then they just start like i gotta get a quarterback and so they reach we often see

this two or three or four round gap where there's not very many quarterbacks taken i guess i'll ask you from from my perspective um or a team that ends up in my my position at what point do you generally think like okay that the aaron rogers the kirk cousins the matthew stafford whatever older quarterbacks you like at what point do we feel comfortable with taking those off the board are we getting close to that travis kelsey was just taken yeah i think it's a pretty great value there honestly yeah um like are we getting close to that point or is the difference with kelsey is that we think while he's old he's at least elite this year those other guys are old and probably just kind of mid yeah and i mean kelsey like obviously his first of, his regular season was still pretty good. It's just we're so spoiled by Travis Kelsey. And then the playoffs, he was Travis Kelsey again.

For me, with like the Staffords, Cousins, Rogers, I'm only OK with that tier as my second quarterback if I have one of the top three dynasty quarterbacks. Like there's a couple of teams where I have Josh Allen and like Derek Carr, Stafford are my second quarterback and the rest of my team is really good. So I think it's okay. But like, I don't, I would be very uneasy if they were my second quarterback and my first quarterback was like in the, you know, Brock Purdy, Jared Goff tier. I just, I just don't think that's ideal, but this is probably the range. Like if you told me Stafford was playing like three more seasons, I would love Stafford because the rams offense when stafford kyron williams uh cup and puka were all healthy

was like second in every they were the second pretty much the second best offense from advanced analytics standpoint in the league behind san francisco like they were elite we just this the problem is this could legitimately be stafford's last year we don't know um so there's still interesting players there like russell wilson was quietly pretty good in fantasy last year but a new offense i'm very high on bryce young right but again what's his ceiling for fantasy like if everything we we want to see from dave canales and everything works out what's their ceiling as an offense like the 16th best offense in the nfl so this is this is not best ball but but I took Mike Evans here. And that was the, again, it seems like every round I have one easy pick.

And then the second one just feels like a complete disaster. The Evans pick for me, borderline top 12 wide receiver, kind of like closer to me to the Kelsey age than the Rogers age, because I think Evans is going to be awesome. He just might only have a couple of years left. I'm not sure if Rogers is going to be awesome. He just might only have a couple years left. I'm not sure if Rogers is going to be good. And I don't generally think about stacking and redraft or dynasty very much, but Baker's the guy that might start three more years.

And I just drafted Mike Evans, so I'm going to go ahead and take Baker Mayfield alongside him. So that will, through, what is it now, seven rounds. My quarterbacks are Patrick Mahomes and Baker Mayfield. My running backs are Bijan Robinson and Christian McCaffrey. what is it now seven rounds my quarterbacks are patrick mahomes and baker mayfield my running backs are bijan robinson and christian mccaffrey my wide receivers are mike evans and george pickens seems like i have a type there and my tight end is mark andrews how do you feel about that start yeah like and there goes bryce young um like mayfield as your second quarterback on a team

that has mahomes i have no. I think it's perfectly fine. I do think stacking dynasty is a little bit more advantageous than redraft. Um, so I, I do like the fact that you, you stacked and yeah, I mean like Evans and George Pickens are like, you're getting a thousand from Evans and eight to 10 touchdowns. I I'm as high, at least, at least as high on pickens as you seem to be so i like the team that obviously the running backs are nobody's gonna rival the running backs that you have so it's it's it's a fun start if nothing else let's take a look at what happened we're gonna rewind the clock go back to round five where i did start the round off with george

pickens dalton kincaid and kid and Kyle Pitts go right after that. Now, if you'll remember, right before I took Pickens, I took Mark Andrews. So Andrews, Kincaid, Pitts, kind of almost back to back to back. Then we get another wide receiver run, Zae Flowers, DK Metcalf, Roma Dunze, Drake May, the only quarterback taken

in round five of this mock draft then jonathan brooks t higgins you took tank dell and like as soon as i took pickens i put tank dell in my uh in my queue and i almost just wish i'd taken pickens and dell there and then davante adams and rashad white so again pickens kankade and pits Metcalf, and Adunze, May, Brooks, and Higgins, and then Dell, Adams, and White. I did a social video yesterday on Tank Dell. And I really don't think it's that outlandish to believe that he could be the wide receiver one for the Houston Techens this year. Like you look at what he and Nico did when they were on the field together last year,

and it was very, very similar in terms of actual production. And one of them was a first year wide receiver. One of them was a third year wide receiver. So I don't have a hard time believing that Dell could be number one. It's just how much is Stefan Diggs going to matter in that receiver room? Adam is getting ready to make a pick

and that's why I am talking so much. I want to take a look at Adam's team here as he is on the clock in round seven. A little different approach than I have taken. He has two quarterbacks, Kyler Murray and Caleb Williams. He has two running backs, Saquon Barkley and James Cook, one of my favorite breakout players for this season. Yeah, I can't talk about him too much because I'll be accused of being biased, but I love him. Well, you are biased. It's true. Two wide receivers starting, Devontae Smith and Tank Dell.

And so you decide to just kind of triple down on wide receiver with Terry McClure. And now I try not to do too much table talk during the draft, but that's kind of what we're doing right now, right? So you don't have a tight end. We saw in the prior round, Pitts and Kincaid were taken. I took Mark Andrews. Are we kind of past the point of you being interested in a tight end this early in the draft now?

Are we waiting for the double-digit rounds? So because it's Dynasty, I have been entertaining the idea of t.j hockinson here just because like okay like it doesn't really fit if i'm going for it like it's he's such a tough player in dynasty if you are somewhat going for it because he's going to miss some time but when he's when he's back he's gonna be what titan three right like so i am i am up now i'm kind of debating it it just does leave me at a with a bit of a you know a tough spot to come all the way back and i do think he'll be gone if i come if i wait for him and i was actually derrick henry goes like right after me i was kind of debating taking him here this is kind of around

in a dynasty startup where if you are okay with it, this is probably where you should start to consider him. I'm kind of stuck right now because I was also looking at Will Levis as my third quarterback. He goes off the board. I think I can wait there. I do love Chris Godwin. I'm going to take T.J. Hawkinson. He's agonizing

and I think Hawkinson is the right pick yeah um there are going to be some starting tight ends available in the double digit rounds that you can plug in for the first half of the season 100 and you having tj and besides look at my team you're not competing this year anyway it's a very fair point i do love my team i will say though like hawkinson, this is, like, you can make the case he could have went seventh round. Like, obviously it depends if the Titans get pushed back because I don't think he should be going in the same tier as Kincaid

and some of those guys. But, like, since he joined Minnesota, he's been, like, his, like, rates and everything have been right behind Kelsey, and that's it. Like, he's been that good. I think it's going to be so interesting to see like who plays quarterback for minnesota this season and for how long and how the passing production like do they just stick with yolo we're going to throw the ball 40 times a game we don't care who our quarterback is or do we see them pull

back a little bit like signing aaron jones doesn't really make me think're going to pull back. It just makes me think they'll throw to the running back a little bit as well. I fully trust Kevin O'Connell too. I am all, all bored with him as a play caller, as a head coach. And I think their concepts for their offense are, are helpful to whoever's at quarterback. So I don't know if they throw quite as much as last year, but I don't think there's going to be the shift, like this massive shift. So I don't know if they throw quite as much as last year, but I don't think there's going to be this shift, like this massive shift. So I'm a, I'm three picks away here.

And Johnny Lazar, who's been helping me out over the summer is in this draft. He took cup Cooper cup at pick 92. Johnny, if you're listening, I'm not very pleased with you right now. I was definitely planning on taking Cooper cup. It's going to take me a while to recover from that pick. I going to read to you round six adam and you just tell me like what

sticks out so debo samuel isaiah pacheco james cook jj mccarthy brock bowers kenneth walker lad mcconkey josh jacobs travis kelsey kirk cousins trey benson mike evans i took what what Kirk Cousins, Trey Benson, Mike Evans, I took. What stands out from that round? And if nothing, talk about the difference in draft between Kincaid, Pitts, and Bowers, which was over a round. Yeah, so what, Bowers went around after those guys? Yep. It's so tough because, like, if he, as a prospect, not quite Pitts level level but definitely better than kincaid as a prospect if he went almost anywhere else not almost anywhere but like eventually like we just think talent will win out i am not the largest luke getzey fan right but like a round difference

is interesting in dynasty i will say that because like Devontae Adams is what 31 Myers like 28 they just need the full-time answer at quarterback um I think it's interesting I think there's we could be looking back on this a year from now and say wow like you got Bowers around after the other tight ends like that's just that's just winning wouldn't surprise me at all so I took Christian Kirk with my first pick and again I just want only i need some wide receiver depth and maybe somebody to uh not run 17 yards downfield and if you would have went if you would have went like if he was there like brian thomas or something i'll be like all right your floor might not be unbelievable wide receiver but you're getting 13 catches per game from mcafree and bijon anyway, so you'd probably be fine. And I am going to go ahead and take Calvin Ridley, Christian Kirk's former teammate,

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the score bet app here with trusted stats and real-time sports news yeah hey who should i take in the Boston game? Well, statistically speaking. Nah, no more statistically speaking. I want hot takes. I want knee-jerk reactions. That's not really what I do. Is that because you don't have any knees?

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I love Heath's team. I was skeptical on going zero wide receiver through four rounds. I was feeling pretty skeptical about it at one point as well, Joe. And you're smart. You know how to get your chat read on the show. Start with, I love heath's team so i end up with no wide receivers in the first four rounds my wide receiver room through nine rounds george pickens mike evans christian kirk calvin ridley in a two wide receiver league that's definitely going to play right Adam yeah and like we view Evans and George Pickens as these wide receivers that just run vertical routes but like it's not it's not like it's not like Madden where they're literally just running go routes like 80 percent of the time like it's it's higher than other wide receivers and maybe it won't be for George Pickens this season

in the new offense so um and I think balance, like I love the Christian Kirk selection. I mean, Christian Kirk was like wide receiver 22 or 23 on a per game basis before going down. And the thing I like about Kirk too, we don't really remember it because we didn't see it as much last season because he wasn't as healthy. You look back Doug Pearson's first season there before they had Calvin Ridley and everything, he was lining up in the backfield as much as any wide receiver in the NFL, getting matchups against linebackers. Like he sees as many matchups against linebackers as any receiver in the league. Obviously a lot of that because he plays in the slot, but a lot of it's also because he lines up in the backfield. I would not be

surprised if we went back to that. And Calvin Ridley led the NFL in end zone targets last season with CeeDee Lamb. Like Evan Inram has not been a touchdown score throughout his career i think brian thomas can be but who's to say a lot of those end zone targets don't go to christian kirk's direction yeah i think i think there's a somebody came at me actually on twitter because we had talked about like wide receivers 21 through 30 or something in our rankings and i think i had said that kirk doesn't have top 12 upside and he reminded me that like we've seen christian kirk i'm i'm gonna call out sam wagman the first person i had to reset the clock for in this draft but he picked right after that he made a great pick george kittle at pick

105 i was actually going to i was hoping you were going to pair kittle up with tj hawkinson and just own the tight end position i was sam you were sam took him one pick before you but somebody said you know we've seen christian kirk finish as a top 15 wide receiver and that's true i'm not quite on a per game basis i don't think so if trevor lawrence can post a touchdown rate like that's not in the daniel jones range then we might see Christian Kirk score eight to 10 touchdowns and legitimately finish the top 12 wide receiver, which would be pretty, pretty awesome for my team. I said we were going to talk about round seven. Let's do that. We're already in round nine in the draft, but in round seven, we saw, I started it off with Baker Mayfield, then Christian Watson,

Bryce Young, Ramondre Stevenson, Jordan Addison, Rashi Rice goes one pick after Jordan Addison, Jackson Smith and Jigba goes one pick after Rashi Rice, Xavier Worthy, Jaden Reed, Terry McLaurin, Derrick Henry, and Will Levis. I like that Derrick Henry pick by Thomas Schaefer. It's somebody else that I was really considering at the next turn if I could get to him. So, Adam, I know that you're trying to get your cue set and everything, but I think maybe the most interesting run of the entire draft happened with the five wide receivers that were taken right before you drafted Terry McLaurin. We see Jordan Addison, Rashi Rice, Jackson Smith and Jigba, Xavier Worthy, and Jaden Reed. You could legitimately

convince me that a year from now, any of these five wide receivers are going to become top 12, top 15 dynasty wide receivers. You could also convince me legitimately that any of these five wide receivers are not going to be ranked in the top 40. It just feels like just complete. Oh, and Thomas Schaefer at pick 110 takes Jamison Williams. Say, why take those guys at 80 when you can get that guy at 110? You're getting ready to make your pick, Adam. And after you do, I want you to kind of talk about that group of Addison, Rice, JSN, Worthy, and Reed. When I look at my dynasty wide receiver rankings, I think they're probably all pretty close as well. I've got Worthy at 26, JSN at 29, Addison at 30, Rice at 31, Reed at 33.

That feels like the lottery ticket range of young wide receivers yeah so the reason I did end up going McLaurin is because I did like a lot of the receivers in that range um but like it's funny because not to interrupt you but he'll go for it could he could he be like any more opposite of that group of wide receivers? I feel pretty confident Terry McLaurin is going to finish probably somewhere between wide receiver 20 and wide receiver 30. Yeah, he's pretty much always been in between wide receiver 23 and 30 in points per game. It's just the touchdowns.

He's given you four or five touchdowns max. And with what I expect Jaden Daniels to bring to that offense, he was the best deep ball passer in college last season. The pace is going to be massive. Everybody in Washington has been talking about the pace of play. If he gets up to seven, let alone if he somehow has an outlier touchdown season, yeah, he could be. If you just watch every receiver in the NFL every year, Terry McLaurin is on the field as a player better than the wide receiver 30 in the NFL, in my opinion. It's just the opportunities have been just very inconsistent.

He's had like 12 different quarterbacks. So I haven't taken a running back since round three. It's funny. Nobody else wanted to take a running back before round three. I took two of them, and then I've taken four wide receivers, a quarterback, and a tight end. I do think there's some pretty interesting running backs left um tony pollard was just taken by by rich cool and i think great pick um naji harris is still there aaron jones is still there giovante williams is still there raheem mostert zach Zach Charbonnet, the younger guy,

Nick Chubb, Austin Eckler, some of the older guys that, you know, we're not too excited about. Are there any running backs out there right now that you think, man, that guy's just a steal? Honestly, like I do like Charbonnet a lot because he averaged like almost nine touches per game with Ken Walker healthy. So even if you had no options for a week as a flex, you could start him in a pinch and just get eight to ten touches probably. Then he averaged like 20 per game when Walker was out. He was already the third down and pass catching running back. He played like 80 plus percent of their snaps in two minute drill on third and long so like and this is a ppr format and everything out of seattle indicates they're probably gonna

throw more so if they throw more maybe that benefits charbonnet um so i do like him honestly like singletary is not bad at this point i'm also like the largest singletary fan on the planet so that that'll help with that um but even like even like jerome ford is probably gonna give you like four to six usable weeks a season so like and then i don't want to mention it but i kind of want julio mclaughlin as we were talking about denver yeah i'm not i won't be taking julio mclaughlin yet i did take zach charbonnet he was actually the top option on my board and i'm gonna going to go ahead and take Aaron Rodgers as well. So that will have Mahomes, Baker Mayfield, and Aaron Rodgers are my three quarterbacks, giving me a little bit of stability there.

I add Charbonnet as my third running back. I'm probably going to go ahead and take one more of those. But you don't need too much depth when you've got McCaffrey and Bijon. If they get hurt, you're probably sunk anyway we are kind of approaching you know the the dart throw go get your guys part of the draft if we're not already there let's go back a little bit and take a look at what happened in round eight gino smith alvin camara tj hockinson were the first three picks of round eight then joe mixon brian thomas and tige spears i like that tige spears pick by adam azar i don't really get to say that about an adam azar pick

keon coleman cooper cup and james connor then amari cooper deandre swift and christian kirk let's talk we saw so spears goes here in round eight we just saw tony pollard in round 10 that's kind of the opposite of what we're seeing in redraft i have these two back-to-back in dynasty how do you view this titans backfield for this year and for dynasty yeah it's it's so interesting you bring that up because i've done a lot of stuff with tony uh articles and stuff about the backfield for tennessee and for redraft like pollard goes i think around earlier than Spears. Just give me Spears.

Like a similar situation as Seattle, right? He is guaranteed to get more carries this season because they've already come out and said they view it as a 1A, 1B. And I think his pass, he caught like, what, 50 passes last year? I think he can catch similar volume of passes again because Tennessee is going to throw more too. And he was a third down running back granted it's a new scheme a new system but yeah in dynasty like they should be pretty close

still and a two round difference that's the instance where normally I've been saying okay give me spears at the discount this time yeah I'll take power for the two round discount in this scenario but both were good picks let's take a look at Adam Azer's team you know we don't probably take a look at other people's teams enough during these mock drafts. And he is on the clock right now. He has Jaden Daniels, Deshaun Watson, and Drake May as his quarterbacks. That's a pretty exciting trio. His running backs are Ken Walker, TyJay Spears, Zach Moss. And at wide receiver, he has Jamar Chase, Malik Neighbors, Jackson Smith and

Jigba, Stephon Diggs, and just took Rashid Shahid at pick 127. There's no return yards in this league. It's funny. Adam picks Rashid Shahid. Jacobob gibbs takes daniel jones one pick later and adam says great pick jacob i guess adam already had three quarterbacks he couldn't take his guy daniel jones i think he was just joking what do you think about that receiver room of chase neighbors jsn and digs digs doesn't seem to fit probably not but i also like it's it's he's he's such an interesting player because like, is he going to actually be there for one season? And then could we have him for the final couple of seasons where he's, you know, a top 20 ish fantasy receiver all of a sudden getting back to that 30 percent target share because

the highest target share a second wide receiver had during his time in Buffalo was like 17 percent. It was Cole Beasley. So like that's not the case anymore. But overall, I mean, yeah, you get, I mean, he has what? Probably two top 15 dynasty wide receivers at the very least. He has two of my top 10, two of my top nine dynasty wide receivers. Yeah, I think, I think if you ask Adam,

he probably views this team as a for the future team, in which case you're hoping that former Bills, Zach Moss and Stefan Diggs are trade ships. I think in the middle of the year that you can turn into something else, maybe even Ken Walker as well. Because if JSN takes a step forward this year and neighbors gets a quarterback next year then chase neighbors and jsn like could be the most talented wide receiver trio could be my like my bijon and mcafree at running back yeah adam still does not have a tight end but with kind of a play for the future team i don't care about that i'm probably only going to draft one at this point if they make me unless there's a young one that i'd really like to get my hands on you just made your round 11 pick and you took aaron jones so you've got saquon cook and aaron jones seems like a very win now running back room yeah and at that point i was like it just felt

like my team is good enough to have the flexibility of if I take Aaron Jones, I think I can make a run and compete potentially. But if I don't, like whatever, it's the 11th round. Like at that point, like Aaron Jones, obviously pushing 30 multiple hamstring issues last year. But when he was healthy on the stretch, he was once again one of the most efficient players at the position. So I'm fine with him. They're really really really wanted and I also debated honestly because like if Jones went before me I was probably going to try to double dip the Pittsburgh quarterbacks that were both there but they both go off the board I still don't have my quarterback three

at this point I might just like just wait and say okay I'll just take Jacoby Brissett or whoever's left I'm not super worried about quarterback three at this point there were multiple times in the draft where I wanted Will Levis. I actually did want Daniel Jones. They went right before me, so that's kind of why I pushed quarterback three down the board. I should probably just have zero fun and select Derek Carr here. That's probably what I'm going to do just to get somebody that's going to start the whole season. It is very much not fun.

I'm going to read off my roster here and kind of ask your opinion on a problem that's coming up for me. Then we'll read off your roster, and then we're going to finish this podcast up. We're already in round 12. I will remind people, go to CBSSports.com by tomorrow morning, definitely by tomorrow afternoon. We'll have a full breakdown of this draft. You'll be able to see all the picks. You'll be able to see all the picks. You'll be able to see everyone's teams. So I know it's hard to keep up with this. If you're not watching with the board and you're just listening also come watch us on YouTube. It's on the fantasy

football today page on YouTube. It's lots of fun. We're fun to look at. So I've got Patrick Mahomes, Baker Mayfield, and Aaron Rogers at quarterback Adam. My running backs are Christian McCaffrey, Bijan Robinson and Zach Charbonnet. My wide receivers, George Pickens, Mike Evans, Calvin Ridley, Christian Kirk. At tight end, I have Mark Andrews. I've got three picks left in the way we're doing this draft. Kind of a shallow format for a dynasty draft,

but wanted to get most of the draft in on the show do you ever like i know i'm clearly a win now squad and there's there's some guys out there like raheem mostert probably makes sense for a win now roster there's some older players that i wouldn't normally get too excited about quite yet in dynasty do you lean into that or is it okay to hedge a little bit and maybe take one or two younger guys just to just in case everything goes sideways yeah i think it's absolutely okay um because like you mentioned you had you mentioned the one team you alluded to at the start of the episode where you were looked like a lock to win and you had the third overall selection and you probably on that team

you would have maybe wished you had a couple pieces that were young that you could feel like you could build around so i don't think in dynasty formats especially at this point in the draft it's ever a bad idea to just take shots on some young players like on my team i'm not even like i'm okay like i'm a fan of what i think the carolina offense will do but i took xavier laguette over some established players just because high draft capital talented player we'll see what happens what about double tapping Dolphins running backs we've got Raheem Mostert at the end of round 12 we've got Jalen Wright at the start of round 13 I don't know my flex is gonna be but he's pretty much checked off every box with that you got an established veteran but then you also got a young player but you also

hedged right if Mostert doesn't work out, what have been the only reasons Raheem Mostert hasn't worked out in his career? He's been hurt. He got hurt. And that happens. Jalen Wright is not – if Raheem Mostert gets hurt, Devon Aitken's not getting 25 touches per game. We know that.

So I actually think that was a – I don't want to give you any more credit than you already need, but I like that a lot. I appreciate it. Thank you. I like that a lot. Thank you. You head into your last two picks with Kyler Murray, Caleb Williams, and Derek Carr at quarterback. I think Derek Carr's a good pick. You already had so much excitement in that quarterback room.

You need somebody to tell everybody to go to bed, turn the lights off, go to bed. Derek Carr will do that for you. Saquon Barkley, James Cook, and Aaron Jones are your running backs. Your wide receivers, Devontae Smith, Tank Dell, Terry McLaurin, and Xavier Leguette. And at tight end, you paired up TJ Hawkinson with Evan Ingram, which I think is a fantastic job there. How do you feel about this team? You walk away feeling pretty good. What's your focus on these last two picks? Yeah, I like it.

There were a couple times where I was looking at certain wide receivers and, you know, fantasy drafts happened and the players I wanted went before me. But I think I did a pretty good job adjusting. I'm glad I ended up going with TJ Hawkinson. I was kind of on the fence about it. But I think in a dynasty format where I got him, I think it was like round eight, round nine. I think that was really good. And yeah, to be able to get somebody I think is going to be not only a must start tight end for the weeks he's out, but somebody that's going to give you a high floor and have, you

know, a really, really safe floor as well. For my last couple of selections, I'm probably going to just take players. I think have opportunities, players that are in good offenses, players that are young, whatever stands out to me. There are a couple of players that I'm looking at right now. So you were looking at Julio McLaughlin and Jamie just took him. So you're not going to get him,

Adam. Thank you so much for being here today. Thanks for being. I want to thank everybody who took part in the mock draft. Like we're 51 minutes in and we're at pick one 52. You guys did a fantastic job today. Thanks as always to producer Harry and to everybody who was active in the YouTube chat. As always,

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