Fantasy Football Today - FFT on CBSSN: Jauan Jennings Drama, Quinshon Judkins Fallout + Breakouts and Busts!! (07/14 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: July 15, 2025We’re breaking down five of the biggest fantasy football storylines you need to know! From the Browns’ murky backfield issues with the arrest (1:40) of Quinshon Judkins to rising contract drama wi...th (4:00) Jauan Jennings, we’ve got takes on key (6:30) QB, RB, and WR/TE camp battles to watch. Jamey Eisenberg and Dan Schneier reveal their 2025 Breakouts (13:35) and (23:00) Busts—including Drake Maye, Marvin Harrison Jr., Saquon Barkley, and Kyren Williams. Plus, we compare mock draft lineups (34:55) between Jamey, Dan, and Adam Aizer—and react to Judkins' arrest and its impact on Jamey's roster. Don't miss the (42:25) #AskFFT mailbag to wrap it all up! Hit that like button and subscribe for daily fantasy football advice all season long...Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fan To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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It is Monday, July 14th and it is time to talk fantasy football. Of course. I mean,
this is fantasy football today and we are fired up because training camps are opening
up. Rookies are reporting this week. Most veterans will report next week,
so it is that time of year.
It is football season, and guys,
there's gonna be a phrase that we hear a lot
over the next few weeks.
I'm Adam Azer with Jamie Eisenberg and Dan Schneier.
What is that phrase?
The best shape of his life.
A lot of players are gonna be in the best shape
of their life.
I'm gonna ask you, Jamie, and then Dan,
are you in the best shape of your life? I'm gonna ask you, Jamie, and then Dan, are you in the best shape of your life right now? No, you don't get to be my age and
are in the best shape of your life, but I'm pretty close though, so hopefully
getting better like wine. Dan? I would say I'm in the mix for the best shape of
my life. I lost about 20 pounds since February when that infamous
picture that you posted to our group chat of me accepting the Fanis Football Today Award at the FSGA,
looking a little bit bloated, circling the internet,
so I had to take some action after that.
Oh really, was the picture inspired you?
It did inspire me.
Well mostly it was actually walking by
the Heart Attack Grill in downtown Vegas,
stepping on that scale and seeing a number
that I never thought was even possible.
Well I'm glad you were inspired.
I knew Dan was going to say he was in the best shape of his life.
I knew it.
Let's get to our five.
That is coming up.
What do you expect?
Yeah, I know.
It's a, uh, today we're going to talk about a draft that we did last week.
We're going to talk about sleepers, breakouts, busts, but first let's get to
our five big topics and how to approach the Browns backfield right now as rookie
running back, Quinnhawn Judkins
was arrested on domestic violence and battery charges.
Judkins was the fourth pick of the second round of the NFL draft.
The Browns also drafted Dylan Sampson in the fourth round.
They returned Jerome Ford, who averaged 5.4 yards per carry on 104 carries last season.
Jamie, right now, what are your thoughts on
Cleveland's backfield for fantasy purposes? Until we have an idea of what potential punishment
Judkins is going to get from either the Browns or the NFL or both, I think you approach it as
he's still the best running back for the Browns this season. He's also unsigned as we see a lot
of second round picks right now are dealing with contract situations. So that's something to keep
an eye on.
But assuming that there's no suspension,
I expect him to lead the Browns in almost every category
from a running back perspective.
I mean, they drafted him to be sort of their Nick Chubb
replacement.
We know this team really struggled
to run the ball last year.
That's sort of been a Kevin Stefanski, their head coach.
It's been a staple of their offense.
If Judkins is going to miss any time,
then I think that's where Jerome Ford steps in.
And we got the report that he was going to be the starter, whether it was going into
camp or in week one, that remains to be seen.
But that makes sense that the veteran gets an opportunity to be the starter, at least
getting the first carry on training camp or first practice rep with the starting group.
I think Dylan Sampson is more of a secondary option.
And I don't think that matters who the starter is.
I think he's going to be a guy that plays on passing down situations and somebody that
I think has some upside in his role, more of a pass catcher change of pace type of option.
So if Judkins misses time, then Jerome Ford's value skyrockets.
If Judkins is not going to be suspended and does have the opportunity to start week one,
then I think he's worth drafting as a low end starter, high end flex.
Dan, let me ask you this because you studied the prospect so much going into the NFL draft.
You watched so much tape.
Let's say Judkins were to miss some time
Do you think Dylan Sampson is the kind of player that could step into something resembling a workhorse role?
No, but I think he's a type player can step into something resembling the Bucky Irving role of last year
Obviously, that's the different situation and that's what propelled Irving to fantasy success
But Samson was one of the players and that Jacob and I discussed more like this guy is so good in any other class
He might be in the mix for top 10
But very small sample size he was working with and running in that scheme that he ran and it's very difficult
Just like with Jalen Wright to kind of figure things out because you're running into a lot of six-man boxes
Which you're not gonna see in the NFL level, so it's a lot of projection with Samson
So for that reason based on the talent, I don't wanna rule him out
as someone who could take over big role.
All right, Jamie, let's go to our second big topic.
It's about the 49ers and another player
who wants a new contract.
It's Jawan Jennings.
According to Adam Schefter,
Jawan Jennings wants either a trade or a new contract.
Right now on CBS average draft position,
he's wide receiver 41.
This is before this news.
93rd overall, we looked at him as a great value.
Meanwhile, Ricky Pearsall 82nd overall.
It's going about a round ahead of Juwan Jennings.
And what's your take on the 49ers wide receiving core right now?
I think that's what we're going to see because I don't think this is going to go away anytime
soon.
The 49ers have an opportunity here to sort of make a stand on either they're in the Jennings camp or they're not in the Jennings camp and we know right now
It feels like they need him, you know
So are you probably gonna miss the beginning part of the season they move on from Debo Samuel
You have Ricky Pierce all coming off a very incomplete rookie season
We know why after the gunshot wound that he suffered last August
So it feels like Jennings has got an opportunity here with some leverage that said said, they've dealt with this each of the last two seasons.
Debo had contract issues two years ago.
You had contract situations last year.
They were able to get those guys on the same page and hopefully the same thing happens
with Jennings.
But I don't think it's going to take much from a financial standpoint to make Jennings
happy.
That being said, he does have an opportunity here to sort of push this as long as he wants
to.
I still think that he's the more talented of the two receivers.
And given the fact that Ayuka's coming off the injury, talented of all three receivers.
But if this is going to play out, I had these guys so close in terms of Jennings and Pearsall,
I'm just going to move Pearsall ahead of Jennings. And I think the way the ADP is going right
now is probably going to be something reflective if this lingers into the middle of August.
All right. Would you guys rather have a 49ers wide receiver or let's say Jordan Addison?
Addison for me for sure. Yeah, probably not the best comp because Addison's got a trial situation
looming tomorrow that could lead to a suspension as well from a DUI charge from a year ago. So
we'll find out more about his status on July 15th, I believe it is. So I don't know if I want to
answer that until we get that answer. Sorry.
Okay.
I'll give you a different one.
How about Jawan Jennings or Roma Dunze or Ricky Pearsall?
I'll take Pearsall over Jennings right now and I will take a Dunze over both if this
is going to play out for a long situation for Jennings.
Yeah, Dunze year two breakout.
I like it.
All right.
Let's go to our third big topics,
really topics three through five.
So training camp is opening up.
I'm gonna ask you for a position battle
that you're looking at at quarterback,
running back and wide receiver.
Let's start with, Dan, I'll throw it to you first,
a quarterback battle to watch in training camp.
Well, this one's gonna be on it.
I guess you're gonna be able to guess this one,
but I do think there's a possibility
that I really do believe that Jackson Dart
could push Russell Wilson in camp this year.
And I say that because I look at the history of Josh Allen.
No, I'm kidding.
It's not this battle.
Russell Wilson's gonna win the job to start the year.
I was sifting through the quarterback battles
and the obvious one for fantasy is Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson. not this battle. Russell Wilson's gonna win the job to start the year. I was sifting through the quarterback battles
and the obvious one for fantasy is Daniel Jones
and Anthony Richardson.
I think ultimately health will play a big factor
but what scares me about that situation is
we've heard Shane Steichen say
it's gonna come down to consistency
and in practice Daniel Jones can find a way to be consistent
but that's never been his issue.
It's when the bullets start flying.
So I'm just worried for the health of that offense.
If they give the majority of the first team reps to Jones,
where will that leave Richardson at
when he does have to ultimately replace Jones in season?
And that is what's going to happen here.
Richardson may be able to keep the job,
but Jones won't be able to.
Okay, Jamie, quarterback battle you're looking at?
It's definitely the Colts.
And it's one of those split situations where Richardson
is better on his own for fantasy.
I think the receivers and everybody in the offense benefits of Jones is the starter.
So it depends on what side of this you're looking at.
The other one clearly is New Orleans because they have the worst quarterback, maybe battle
in NFL history going on here with Tyler Shuck and Spencer Rattler and whoever else is going
to compete for that job with Derek Cardin are retired.
And again, this really has nothing to do with the quarterbacks.
This has to do with Chris Olave and Alvin Kamara and, you know, Joanne Johnson to an extent,
Rashid Shahid, Brandon Cook, you know, all these guys that will hopefully benefit by some competent quarterback play.
The hope is that Kellen Moore's offense, similar to like Kevin O'Connell's offense,
will allow the quarterback, whoever it is, to allow these players to make plays.
And then we get some maybe quarterback play that helps us in Super Flex and two quarterback
leagues. But the Colts is number one and the Saints are not far behind simply because of
what this offense in New Orleans could be if Kellen Moore's offense is going to be good.
Yeah. And Cleveland also is one that we're going to be keeping an eye on. Let's go to
the running back battles. Jamie, give me a running back battle that you're looking at. See, this you should say for Dan because the Giants is actually a very good one to keep
an eye on here because of what's going on there with Tyrone Tracy and Cam Scadabu.
You have the situation in Dallas with who's going to be the starter there, Jermont A.
Williams, maybe one of the rookies in Jaden Blue or Phil Mafa.
Miles Sanders obviously a big part of this.
But I think the Giants one is the one that I struggle with a lot because you look at
the situation here aside from like, you know, some of big part of this, but I think the Giants one is the one that I struggle with a lot because you look at the situation here, aside from like, you
know, some of the rookies and how they're competing, because I think Amari and Hampton
is going to separate himself from Najee Harris and Trevion Henderson should separate himself
from Ramondre Stevenson.
I really don't know what the Giants are going to do because Tyrone Tracy had a good finish
to the season, but he did not have the type of performance I think that is going to allow
him to withstand somebody coming in and taking the job.
And we saw what Scadaboo was able to do at Arizona State and did everything that
you could ask for in the passing game, you know, was a physical runner.
So he could be a starter there, whether that means he's going to be a standout.
Fantasy option remains to be seen, but I'm curious to see what the Giants do
and how that sort of unfolds.
Man, he took the job from you, Dan.
That is so cool. That is ice cold.
What else you got?
I got a better one. I got a better one.
I'm still waiting on this year three breakout.
So, you know, it's always good to be ahead of time
on this one, on this call.
Finally, it'll pay off this year.
But the Jaguars backfields,
what's most interesting to me,
you bring in Liam Cohen, who designed what I would consider,
at least from watching a lot of tape last year,
the best and most well-run and diverse,
definitely the most diverse run game last year.
He had a lot of great offensive linemen to work with,
but if he can bring that same magic to Jacksonville, we're looking at a very effective run game last year. He had a lot of great offensive linemen to work with, but if he can bring that same magic to Jacksonville,
we're looking at a very effective run game moving forward.
Now, who is going to be the lead back there?
Dave behind the numbers,
and Tank Bigsby was a better runner last year
than Travis Deetienne, almost across the board.
So that's the one I'm keeping my eye on.
I've loved Tank Bigsby since I watched his tape at Auburn.
I feel like you're getting really late in drafts,
so just picked him up super late in Scott Fishbowl.
So I just, I wanna see what happens there. And obviously, Basial
Tudin comes in to the mix as well with 435 speed.
Yeah, I'm going to throw out a sleeper running back battle to watch. And it's in the in Houston.
And I want to see what Nick Chubb has because Joe Mixon, I looked at three different sources
of average draft position, Joe Mixon is not going in the top 44 in any of them at CBS, football guys, fantasy pros. He's a steal. Nick Chubb is not doing anything
if he's just kind of a nothing. Joe Mixon is an absolute steal in round four, but Nick
Chubb is going to be now two years removed from the knee injury, which was a torn ACL,
MCL, meniscus, and medial capsule.
Last year, he broke his foot.
But if he's healthy from the knee injury,
he might be able to really take some work away from Joe Mixon.
And Mixon could end up being a bust in that scenario.
So that's what I'm looking at.
All right, Jamie, is there a wide receiver or tight end
battle that you're keeping an eye on?
The tight end battle for the Chargers
is very intriguing to me, because we
know that this is something that we saw Justin Herbert lean on last year.
Will Disley had some very good games and now they bring in Tyler Conklin and Aranda Gadsden
Jr.
And I think both those guys have more upside than Disley.
The way that Conklin closed the season last year for the Jets I think is something worth
noting he was good in Minnesota as well.
And then Gadsden's got a lot of pre-season hype for a position
that's really somewhat wide open. And we know they brought in a lot of bodies this year
to compete with Quinton Johnston for really who's going to be second on the team in targets.
So Trey Harris hopefully will be that guy. Mike Williams could easily be that guy, but
I think the tight ends are worth keeping an eye on there. And then following the trade
in Pittsburgh, which is another running back battle to watch as well between Caleb Johnson
and Jalen Warren, you have now John Newsmith and Pat Freiremuth and how those targets are going to be sort
of split between those two guys for a team that doesn't really have a quality number
two wide receiver right now opposite DK Metcalf.
So I think most expect and I do as well Johnnu Smith to have more targets than Pat Freiremuth,
but another guy that closed the season on a very, very high note and a guy that's already
played with Arthur Smith at least once.
So while John who does have the familiarity there
of being with him now for the third time,
Fryer Muth may be somebody that Rogers prefers,
maybe more so than Arthur Smith does.
All right, Dan, how about you?
The one that really stands out for me,
if you believe that the improvements they tried to make
on the interior offensive line are for real,
and that Ben Johnson can be what he proved to be in Detroit. It's that wide receiver battle in Chicago because we
there is a lot of untapped fantasy potential. Is it gonna be Romo Dunze? Is
it gonna be Deja Moore? Is it gonna be Luther Burden who was drafted for a
reason? And when you kind of watch him at Missouri you're like I can kind of see
some of the things that Ben Johnson with Jameson I can also kind of see some of
the things he did with Amon Ross Saint Brown. So I just think that an entire
group is really interesting to watch.
And someone is going to come out of that as a really good fantasy value.
All right. Those are five big topics to get this show started up next.
Some of our favorite breakouts for 2025.
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Breakouts, very exciting topic. These are players that we're expecting a lot from.
They're gonna outperform their ADP.
They could be really, really good this year.
And you know what?
I personally do not think rookies can be breakouts
because you're supposed to be having your best season yet.
Coming in your own.
You've got, Dan, you've got three rookies on your list.
Okay, Brian Thomas and League neighbors
weren't breakouts last year according to you?
No, they just had great rookie season.
I'm gonna nip this in the bud
and I'm gonna cut off this breakout debate
before it gets a little too heated
because if anyone remembers the breakout discussion
of May, 2024 between Adam and Heath,
we're not gonna go back down that path.
We're just gonna accept what a breakout is.
Whatever Adam tells me, it's new Adam,
new Commissioner Adam, you decide what a breakout is.
You want me to rewrite them now?
I will.
I did an X poll, can you be a breakout as a rookie?
And 62% of the responses said yes.
So I will take the L on this one.
Jamie, let's take a look at five breakout candidates for you.
You do have one rookie on there.
But Drake May is the quarterback.
You got Trevion Henderson and Deandre Swift, Marvin Harris and you have two rookies on
there.
Pardon me.
Trevion Henderson, Travis Hunter, both rookies, Deandre Swift, Marvin Harrison, Jr. and Drake
May.
All right.
Take us through your list. I'll start with the Patriots.
I like the setup for Drake May a lot.
We spent some time on our Fantasy Football Today podcast on Monday discussing this with
Jake Sealy that May could be one of the better running quarterbacks.
He was on pace in his 10 healthy games last year for 630 rushing yards, which would have
been if everybody else did not have their best numbers, but it would have been the third
best rushing performance
of quarterbacks last season.
So he's got that on his resume that he can be a good rusher.
And I think just as offense as a whole is going to be better
because of the addition of guys like Henderson and Stephon
Diggs and Kyle Williams, but mostly with Josh McDaniels
as the play caller.
So I think we'll see May's passing numbers will definitely
improve.
I think he'll still be north of 500 rushing yards,
probably get a couple rushing touchdowns on top of what he did last year, and then his passing numbers will definitely improve. I think he'll still be north of 500 rushing yards, probably get a couple of rushing touchdowns
on top of what he did last year,
and then his passing numbers will improve.
So one of the best values that you'll find.
In terms of Henderson,
I think it's not gonna take long before
he's much better than Ramon J. Stevenson.
Stevenson's got a fumble issue,
so while he may be the starter
and get those first and second down opportunities
early in the season,
I think Henderson will prove to be a little bit more
productive than he was in college
when he shared with Quintchon-Jutkins.
He's definitely going to be one of these pass catching running backs that Josh McDaniels
will use and certainly that Drake May will lean on because his receiving core while is
getting an upgrade still is not the most diverse and robust receiving core.
So I think Henderson's targets will definitely be there.
So love the opportunity to draft him as the third best rookie running back behind Gentie
and Amari Hampton.
Travis Hunter is going to be obviously a wild card, but we just expect at this point that he should play enough offensively
that he's going to benefit from Liam Cohen as his play caller,
from a better Trevor Lawrence this year because of Liam Cohen,
and just getting targets funneled in his direction
because it's going to be Brian Thomas and it's going to be Hunter
just getting as much opportunities they could possibly handle from Trevor Lawrence.
DeAndre Swift is a tough one to buy.
I guess Marvin Harrison as well.
Swift has never been the running back that a lot of Swift's a tough one to buy, I guess Marvin Harrison as well.
Swift has never been the running back
that a lot of people have hoped for him to be,
but he hasn't been as bad, I think,
as people have sort of forecasted.
He wasn't awful in Philadelphia,
just didn't have the touchdowns because of Jalen Hurts.
He wasn't bad his last couple of years in Detroit,
and he certainly wasn't awful last year in Chicago,
despite the fact that everything around him was terrible.
Well, Dan just got finished telling you
how much things are gonna improve in Chicago
with the receiving core there.
The offensive line will be better.
The play caller will be better.
And right now, there's nobody that I think
is a huge threat to him.
Maybe the seventh round rookie, maybe Roshan Johnson.
I just think DeAndre Swift has an opportunity here
to be the best running back in a very good offensive system.
And I like that set up for him.
I think Harrison, scoring eight touchdowns,
gets overlooked in his rookie campaign.
Everything else was kind of a disaster.
If he can get to 10 touchdowns
and see a big boost in targets and opportunities,
which I think he will,
he's gonna be a guy that in the round four range
you're gonna be happy about.
Obviously disappointing last year in the round two range.
Yeah, Dan, any reaction to Jamie's list of breakouts?
We got Drake, May, Trevion, Henderson, DeAndre, Swift,
Marvin Harrison Jr., and Travis Hunter.
I mean, I really, the case I liked the best was from Marvin Harrison Jr. just looking at it like that.
You would think all he has to really do is get more targets and more involved in the red zone to
really pay back that ADP. So I love that as far as the swift one goes, that's the only one that
I don't want to say confused me just brings caution. I'm a little more cautious about I should
say just because this latent whose his career, the breakout,
I understand the situation is great,
but whenever we start to go down this path
of just building up the situation,
I start to get a little bit worried
because I've fallen into a lot of traps that way
as a fantasy manager.
All right, let's take a look at Dan's breakouts here.
Justin Fields and a bunch of rookies,
RJ Harvey, Omarion Hansen,. Justin Fields and bunch of rookies.
RJ Harvey, Omarion Hansen, and Caleb Johnson.
Not all rookies.
And Xavier Worthy as well.
I guess you like the rookie running backs, huh?
Well, yeah, let's start with RJ Harvey.
RJ Harvey, if you take a look behind the hood at the advanced analytics with Harvey,
yards after contact per attempt, contact balance,
it's the second best in the class after Ash and Jenny for Smith's tackle rate
All of those are just elite you watch the tape it all lines up
Maybe he doesn't have the Chris Johnson esque straight line speed
I don't think it's gonna matter with all the 20 plus plays is gonna rack up in that Sean Payton offense
The history of running backs in a Sean Payton offense
Also adds this the offensive line returning being super strong another tick in his favor
And then finally it's, we're all worried
because J.K. Dobbins signed.
J.K. Dobbins has never stayed healthy except for last year
where he wasn't healthy for the full year.
So I think that's a really underrated factor in all this.
If Dobbins gets hurt again, where does that leave Harvey?
To me, it's the obvious league winner
of this entire group.
Moving on to the other two running backs.
So Marion Hampton was a guy who was going
to Draft in Fantasy the minute he got drafted.
I love the fact that Najee Harris signed there.
Najee Harris will be no threat to Hampton.
Hampton was unbelievable at the collegiate level,
reminded me of Jonathan Taylor
with a little bit better contact balance
and a much better receiving back than Taylor.
Ran a lot of routes, only had two drops on 80 targets
last year over the last few years I believe,
so really strong numbers there.
Finally, Justin Fields, that's just like the easy free play to me this year.
Unless you think Fields is gonna get benched for Tyrod Taylor there's just no
way he won't return value on that ADP given his rushing floor and that's just
proven over time looking at Justin Fields very rarely has he not returned
fantasy value there was a small stretch with the Bears for like a six game
stretch start season even in that season he bounced back and had a really strong
second half.
Finally, Caleb Johnson, this was my Jordan Howard
of a few of, what is that now, six, seven years ago,
I really feel dated now and older,
bringing up Jordan Howard.
But Jordan Howard at Indiana ran outside zone scheme,
was drafted to the Bears to run in an outside zone scheme
on day three, broke out immediately as a rookie.
Caleb Johnson, outside zone scheme at Iowa,
was drafted towards Arthur Smith's outside zone scheme.
This is the perfect schematic fit,
and I love the fit from every other standpoint.
Red zone should be good for him.
He should score a lot of touchdowns this year as a rookie
and rack up over 1,000 yards of rushing.
Jamie, what do you think about Dan's list?
I like the list, and you didn't even get into
Xavier Worthy, who's got an opportunity here with the Chiefs
to clearly be a standout sophomore.
It's just a matter of how many targets will he get
and which kind of role will he play.
So where he breaks out to is hard to sort of,
I think, put a finger on,
but there's a huge upside potential here.
If Mahomes is better and they start to throw the ball down,
feel a lot more.
You do see some flaws though with the running backs.
Obviously if Dobbins is to the level that he was last year,
and yes he did miss four games with another injury,
it's going to impact Harvey's upside.
Clearly Dobbins was so talented, is still so talented,
and clearly the Broncos felt that they were missing something
by adding him so late in the process.
But I love R.J. Harvey.
I think he's going to be the best Broncos running back
and certainly has a chance for a standout rookie campaign.
I wouldn't discount Najee Harris.
Clearly his July 4 situation, as long as he's okay.
He just does these things that we see all the time with veteran running backs where
they just become a problem for what we like to do in fantasy where you see the upside
for Hampton and he's having by all accounts an amazing rookie camp so far before the veterans
show up.
But he doesn't fumble, he never gets hurt, and if he's gonna stay on the field,
I think it does impact, again, Hampton's ceiling.
So while these guys should be the best running backs
on their team in terms of Harvey and Hampton,
and even Caleb Johnson, like Jaylen Warren's not going away,
he's gonna have a rolling passing down situation.
So I think it's just the ceiling is where these guys get to,
and that's what has me concerned about
how soon you draft them.
But you can see the upside, and if an injury occurs,
there's top 10 potential
for all three of those guys.
All right.
Well, listen, I'm going to just piggyback off what you guys are doing.
Here's another breakout candidate.
Let me know what you think.
Ashton Gentry.
Ashton Gentry.
I knew you were going down that path.
I mean, come on.
He's going to have a great year.
He's a rookie.
The difference is you have to draft Ashton Gentry in round one.
Yeah, I get it.
62% of our audience hates you right now. Difference is you have to draft Ash and Jenny in round one. Yeah, I get it. Well, it's a, but the thing about-
62% of our audience hates you right now.
No, no, like me, 62% said it's okay to put a rookie.
No, you're making fun of them.
That's true.
That is true a little bit.
Yeah, I get it.
Yeah, forget it.
Forget the thing about breakouts.
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Welcome back to Fantasy Football Today, looking at busts here.
So during the break, I did a little Google search,
Jamie Eisenberg, 2024 busts 3.0, see what I could find.
See who did he have in his last bust column.
Look at the first four names on this list.
Christian McCaffrey, C.D. Lamb, Tyreek Hill, Breeze Hall.
I'm going, man, this is the greatest article ever written.
Then I look at the headline.
Jamie looks at the bust case for every player ranked one through 12.
So it was going through.
You got got basically.
What's that?
That's who you got.
God.
Well, a little bit, but I mean, it's amazing.
The first four players are all bus, but, um, all right, Jamie, uh, let's take a
look at, uh, your bus list, early bus lists here, five players and some big names
here, Lamar Jackson, actually no more than, than four syllables, I guess, but
big names in terms of fantasy, uh, Lamar Jackson, Saquon Barkley, Joe Mixon,
Mike Evans, Brock Bowers. So yeah, this is a pretty sexy list here. Go, let's take it,
take us through it. And then Dan, jump in and let us know what you think.
Some of it is based on ADP. Some of it is based on just concerns. And so Lamar Jackson
is solely ADP based right now. So on our average draft position, he's going in the second round
and he's almost
like 10 picks ahead of Josh Allen. And I do not think that should be the case on either
cord. I think you should start looking at these quarterbacks in round three and you
can make a case that Josh Allen based on his track record is just as good as not better
than Lamar Jackson, another discussion that we had on our podcast this morning. So I just
don't think there should be that much separation that would not take Jackson in round two.
I also would not take Brock Bowers at 15th overall.
And he's going about eight spots ahead of Trey McBride and significantly ahead of George
Kittle.
And I also don't think that should be the case.
Bowers was amazing last year.
But you think about what the changes have happened to Las Vegas, the run game will definitely
be better with Ashton Jenchie joining the Raiders.
You look at the receiving core around him, it's going to be better with Thornton and
Besh as two rookies that are going to command targets along with Jacoby Myers.
Now Geno Smith is going to be a better quarterback than what they had last year and I think the
system is going to be better, but I just don't think Bowers gets as many targets.
So he is my tight end too.
You should be drafting him in round three, but I think 15th overall is too high.
So those two guys is basically an average draft position conversation.
Saquon Barkley scares the hell out of me.
He's the first round pick that I do not want to draft this year.
I made the case for it early in February.
I'll continue to say the same thing.
What we saw from him from a workload standpoint is just too hard for him to replicate that
type of production.
And then you look at the history of 2,000 yard rushers.
It's a very small sample size, only eight of them.
All eight saw a decline of 500 yards rushing or more.
Two of them got hurt the following season.
And you're just going to see a different Philadelphia
offense, I think, this year because there's
a coordinator change.
So a 28-year-old running back coming off all that work
and the history of guys that have accomplished
what he accomplished, I think he's still
worth drafting in the first round.
But he's not someone that should go in the first five overall
picks.
And as we've seen in some drafts,
he goes number one overall.
I think Bijon is the best running back.
I think Jamar Chase is the number one overall pick.
I would not take Saquon Barkley in the first five picks when it comes to Joe Mixon
You made the case that he's a great pick in round four
I don't want to draft him until round five. We see an offensive line is going through a significant change
It might be better. I think it's gonna be worse. We see a significant upgrade in terms of the talent behind him
It's not just Nick Chubb
They drafted a rookie running back that I think is gonna get some work
And I think both those guys are gonna take mixing off the field just enough last year
He was number seven in terms of touches per game.
They're going to see that number come down a little bit behind a worse offensive line
and what should be a better passing game if the guys that they brought in are at least healthy
because Diggs missed half the season, Nico Collins missed four games last year, and Tankdell didn't
finish the year although it was at the end of the season. So we have guys coming in to hopefully
improve the passing game, compete with Joe Mixon in an offensive line that he's going to struggle.
So these are guys that I'm probably going to avoid based on cost.
Mike Evans, 32 years old last year in the first seven games with Chris Godwin, 14.3 PPR points per game.
That is not a top 20 wide receiver. He should still be a top 24 guy based on how he's drafted.
I'm not taking him though until round five with earliest.
Yeah, you know, let me jump in and then Dan, we can throw up
your list or you can talk about this, but mixing has pretty much
never had a good offensive line. If you look at pro football,
ref, pro football focus and, and ESPN.com and their run block
rankings, they had the Texans already last year is one of the
worst offensive lines in the NFL.
So it probably will be worse,
but the Bengals never had a good line.
Texans didn't have a good line.
Joe Mixon has been a top 12 running back per game
in six of the last seven seasons.
Chubb is the only guy that really worries me there.
Otherwise, I think he's gonna be more or less a workhorse.
He's gonna catch his 40 to 50 passes in 17 games.
So I'm not really too concerned about any of the other guys.
I'm not concerned about the passing game being better.
The passing game is being better.
I think that could benefit Joe Mixon because it just make the offense better.
Yeah.
And so Dan, where are you on Mixon?
Because right now he's going about 45th to 48th.
I'm probably a little bit lower on Mixon.
I discussed this on one of the FFTs.
Actually, I think I discussed this with Jacob Gibbs on Beyond the Box.
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But with that said, when it comes to Mixin,
one thing that bothers me is that they're moving
all for the blocking scheme last year,
that outside zone scheme that worked for him,
and two, what I expect to be Power Gap
taking some of the Patriots roots.
That I don't think fits him as well
as it might fit Nick Chubb.
So that one scares me the most.
As far as the rest of these guys go,
I understand where I'm at odds with Jamie
and it's always gonna be this way
when it comes to players like Saquon Barkley
because he's my RB1 and I totally understand Jamie's case.
It's a historical-based case and I think when it happens, if it Saquon Barkley because he's my RB one and I totally understand Jamie's case. It's a historical based case.
And I think when it happens, if it happens
and he does get hurt, it's easy to point back to,
look, we could have, we had all these signs that prove this.
But if he stays on the field,
there's just no way in my mind
that anyone but Christian McCaffrey can outscore him
this year at fantasy football in any position.
And the one that really stands out the most to me,
I think we're different on Bowers too, much higher,
but Lamar we're good on.
I think that a touchdown regression in the red zone
is almost a guarantee.
But Evans is the one that,
I'm at odds with all fantasy analysts, I think,
because when I looked into the data on him,
he was still really elite
when it came to separation score last year.
Mike Evans was one of the best route running receivers
in the NFL.
And I don't really know why, you know,
why he's going as late as he's going and why he's projected in
here here to be a bus other than his age being that factor. But
that's the case for Don, the Adams and plenty of players who
are drafting ahead of him. Evans if he stays healthy is still an
elite wide receiver with a great quarterback at this point and a
great offensive function. So I really like Evans this year.
Okay, all right, let's see who you don't like. Let's take a look at Dan's busless here.
Five players that Dan is probably not going to be drafting much. James Cook disagree. Kyron Williams
disagree. Ken Walker, Alvin Kamara, Chris Gobbin. I mean, I love this. You've got this tier of running
back here. That's going between rounds three and four. Kyron Williams for us, he goes in
the second round when we do our drafts, but ADP's got him in the third round. But no,
I love this is very bold and you have Chris Godwin as a bust. So take us through your
bust list.
Yeah. So obviously it seems like I'm just avoiding what used to be called the running
back dead zone. And that's not the case here. I've made it clear that I think the running
back dead zone of old is not the same now that the NFL has moved
to a lot of Vic Fangio style defenses
where there's a lot of too high safeties,
a lot of debt from the safeties daring you to run.
But these are not the guys that I want to invest in
for start with James Cook.
For James Cook, if he doesn't score all those touchdowns,
I'm a little bit worried about
how he's getting his fantasy points.
And Ray Davis was more effective in some metrics
than James Cook was as a rusher now.
Less volume, it makes it easier to be more effective. But Ray Davis was good effective in some metrics than James Cook was as a rusher now. Less volume, it makes it easier to be more effective,
but Ray Davis was good when you watched the tape.
So it just scares me a little bit there.
It feels like a little bit fickle,
plus the contract situation you add to that,
it gets me a little bit scared.
Kyron is another player who I've unfortunately
never been able to get on board with
from a fantasy standpoint.
Still just feel like a player, if he's talented enough,
can carve out a role
in that offense.
I believe in Jerkwes Hunter.
I thought he was unbelievable.
I'd like this tape a lot better than Blake Coram
when he came out, especially his projection in the NFL.
So I think Hunter takes a sizable chunk
of that role this year,
and that just makes Williams disappointing.
He needs the role to really be drafted where he's at.
Ken Walker to me, look, I get it.
He flashes.
The big plays are outstanding.
He looks electric, he looks like one of the best at this NFL.
But how many years in a row are we gonna do this with Ken Walker?
And it doesn't seem like the ADP has fallen that much, so I'm still making this massive
investment in a player like Walker.
And it just hasn't paid off all that much with the exception of a stretch last year
where he seemed to get a lot of targets.
That to me feels very fluky, the target stretch.
I do not expect that to continue moving forward.
Then Alvin Kamara, this is another one
I've been off on in recent years, and it's burned me.
I've been out on him.
But this is like, we're getting to a point here
where the ADB hasn't really dropped all that much,
and yet we have what Jamie described earlier
as maybe the worst quarterback situation
we've ever seen in the NFL.
The offensive line is not getting any better.
I don't think it helps to lose Clint Gubiak
and go to Kellen Moore from a target volume standpoint.
I don't think it helps to lose Derek Carr
specifically from a target volume standpoint.
I think Derek Carr may have been the straws
that held together this Alvin Kamara fantasy
guy you want to draft situation was basically all PPR based.
So I'm very out on him.
And then Godwin to me, the price just isn't
low enough considering what he went through, the injuries coming off of, and the added target
competition there. I just don't, like look, if all things work out well for Godwin from a health
standpoint, he's going to be a value at that pick, but that's not the point. The point is he's coming
off the injury and they added Ibuka in round one. So that's just a player I'm not going to be
drafting much of. I think you not going to be drafting much of.
I think you're going to get a lot of disagreement from Jamie, Jamie,
I respect Walker's actually my favorite player on this list. You know, just based on, I think where we're still seeing him get drafted and the upside.
I don't think the reception total was necessary or fluke and we'll see how much
the quarterback change though is a problem for that. But you just referenced
Kubiak and the system there. That was a guy,
even in San Francisco,
that throws to his running backs.
In Minnesota, he throws to his running backs.
When he's had an opportunity to be involved in play calling,
he's going to get Ken Walker the ball.
And I think that's the best part of Walker.
Can he stay healthy is the biggest issue.
Missed five games last year.
Only played one in the final four games
down the stretch last year.
So I think that's going to leave a little sour taste
in some people's mouths.
But it was a career high points per game for him.
A lot of that was early in the season comparatively delayed.
So did he wear down a little bit?
We'll find out.
Has a talented guy behind him, Zach Charbonnet, but I like Walker as cost.
And I think the cost that we'll see for James Cook and Kyron Williams, again,
depending on where you look,
Cook is basically going the end of round three at this point.
It's hard to overlook finding a player that's going to have a role in an offense
like he's in for Buffalo.
And yes, Ray Davis should have an opportunity to get more touches.
But James Cook's value, I think, in that spot is pretty good.
And Kyron Williams also should lose some touches this year to Hunter or Coram
or both.
But again, if you're getting him in round three,
we know Sean McVeigh's track record.
And clearly, despite the flaws for Kyron Williams,
I agree with you, Dan.
It's been hard to sort of buy why this has worked the last two years.
But it's still Sean McVeigh in this offense, and it's worked.
I am concerned about Aleric Jackson and the blood clots there for one of their best offensive
linemen.
Godwin to me is an easy buy just because if he's going to continue to fall, we saw what
the upside was last year.
Yes, he's coming off a significant injury, but it's not an ACL like we saw three years
ago.
It's an injury that I think he can overcome.
Can he overcome a Bucas targets?
This kind of plays into Mike Evans as well.
Like there's just so many mouths defeating this offense and I think it's not necessarily
an age thing for Evans.
It's just the competition that we're going to see for both of these guys.
So I think they both lose with the book of their,
especially Jalen McMillan the way that he finished.
But if Baker's going to throw the ball to the same level that he did and have the
same efficiency, then obviously everybody should benefit.
It's just a matter of where you're buying in on the bucks receiver.
So if Godwin's at the right price, he's certainly not going to be a bust.
Evans even at his costs right now, not necessarily a bust.
He's just a player for me that I'm going to probably be out on. And I guess the same thing's for
Dan with Chris Goblin.
All right. So we're going to take a break here. A week ago, we did a 12 team PPR mock
draft who had the best team. We will compare them and you can decide at home. We'll be
right back on fantasy football today.
All right. It's mock draft season here on Fantasy Football today. So a week ago we completed a 12 team, three wide
receiver PPR mock draft.
Dan had the second pick.
I had the sixth pick and Jamie had the 12th pick. So you can see how we built our rosters from different spots in the draft. Dan had the second pick. I had the sixth pick and Jamie had the 12th pick. So you can see how we built our rosters
from different spots in the draft. Let's take a look at the
teams. And while we do that, I'm going to try to come up with
clever team names based on the players on the roster. We'll see
how I do there. But Dan, since you had the second pick, let's
take a look at your team first team, honey, Bijon dressing.
Honey Bijan dressing. Thank you. Bijan Robinson was your first pick. But I got to say before we even show the other ones, I think we all have did a very nice job. I really like all the teams. I
love your team. It's just I don't really see a big weakness here. You know, you've got Colston
Loveland at tight end, but you know, whatever. Right. I think you did great.
So are you happy with it?
Yeah, I was thrilled with this.
I think in a full PPR league, you get a really big advantage drafting at two because most of the time you're going to see chase go one.
So you get to start your draft of B.
John Robinson, who should have good involvement in the passing game.
And then you can kind of build out your lineup through that and really go heavy in full PPR on wide receiver.
And that's what I did.
You can see wide receivers one through three,
I'm all pretty confident in.
I feel good about Ridley as my flex personally
with the quarterback upgrade and just give him what we saw.
And then I got my biggest breakout, RJ Harvey.
So I just love what happened here.
Loveland's the one area where I'm a little stressed about
because I see big upside with him,
but I also see a player who I could be looking at like,
wow, he's getting one to two targets a game for the first five, six weeks.
So I drafted alongside him.
Doesn't show in that graphic.
Jake Ferguson, who to me is the single best value at the Titan position
by far in fantasy this year.
Jake Ferguson, interesting.
Yeah, I don't think it's close.
How much of a priority?
Oh, I think it's close.
How much of a priority was it?
Who's the best value fantasy titan for you? Well, I think it's close. How much of a priority was it? Who's the best value fantasy tight end for you? Well,
I think Jake Ferguson could be useless if George Pickens.
Because he wasn't very good last year. And you've got C.
Mike Prescott's always used his tight. He wasn't very good last
year without that Prescott.
Okay, but he's he wasn't we didn't score touchdowns last
year. I thought he was going to be a great value before the
Pickens trade. Now I don't know what those targets look like. But how important was it for you to have an elite quarterback?
Because you have Jalen Hertz. Not important at all. I very rarely in these one quarterback
leagues draft a quarterback anywhere near the range of Hertz. It was a situation where, and I
know Jamie talked about this earlier on the show, Hertz just fell to a point where I just thought
it didn't make sense to let him keep falling. I thought he was gonna give me a much bigger advantage
than whatever running back receiver
I would be considering at that point.
All right, let's take a look at my team here.
We can either go with Hampton Inn
or keep running up that hill,
since I am such a Tyreek Hill fan
and I love Stranger Things.
It's Jayden Daniels.
Another hill for Adam to die on.
Very good. Little, little wordy, but I like it.
Jane Daniels, Christian McCaffrey, Omarion Hampton, Tyreek Hill.
Tyreek Hill is my third round pick. AJ Brown, my second round pick.
Ricky Pearsall, Tyler Warren and Isaiah Pacheco.
Now, look, I think there's a flaw on this team. It's a three
receiver PPR league and I just don't have great receiver depth. I have Christian Kirk on the bench,
but I'm only starting three receivers and one of them is Ricky Pearsall.
So I'd like, ideally in this type of format, I'd like my flex to be a wide receiver. The
draft kind of fell to me in a way that I just couldn't pass up on Pacheco. I'm taking a shot
on Tyler Warren, but I do think I've got a lot of high end talent that can make up for it. I'm a big believer
in Jane Daniels. Obviously I'm the high guy on Christian McCaffrey. I'm the high guy on Tyree
kill. AJ Brown is awesome. So I need my stars to be stars and I think I'll be okay. Jamie, what'd
you think of the team? I think the thing that broke well for both of you guys is what you did
early in the draft because for you it was AJ Brown falling to the middle of round two and for Dan it was getting the combination
of Lad McConkey and T Higgins end of round two beginning of round three because if you
get one of those receivers it probably looks a little bit different.
I think those guys can arguably be taken in the second round in most cases.
I think Marrone Berkson if not mistaken was picking one and started Jamar chasing and
went running back running back.
If McConkey or Higgins or potentially both go there,
it probably changes how your draft unfolds.
And then the same thing, Adam, if you're taking,
I don't know if Drake London was still available,
but if you're taking not one of those two guys,
and you're taking, let's say, T Higgins in that spot,
it looks a little bit different as well as your number one
wide receiver there.
But I think both you guys did fantastic,
taking advantage of the board.
And Adam, in terms of your team, I
love the type of aggressiveness, which I don't
usually see from you in taking guys that have just such high end potential like what McCaffrey
has and you took him ahead of Barkley, which I think is not exactly as risky as it sounds.
And then, you know, taking Tyree Kill and taking even Isaiah Pacheco, for example, I
know you like and the pierce all move was done before the Jennings news. So you ended
up, I think benefiting with that situation as well.
All right.
Thanks.
I really wanted you to talk about my team, but fine.
You can talk about dance to it.
Let's see Jamie's team picking from the 12th spot where he started with I'm on our same
Brown and Ashton Gentile with his first two picks.
All three of us have top five quarterbacks, which is interesting as we don't go into drafts
looking for that necessarily, but it did work out that way.
Jackson, Gentile, Judkins. Now this pick was done
before the news of the arrest. So we'll grade your team
accordingly. Aman Rasim Brown, Darnell Mooney, Travis Hunter,
George Kittle and Stefan Diggs. Are you happy with this team?
I am but not for the reasons that typically are used to you
know, anybody that's followed me for a long time knows that I'm not usually the reasons that typically are used to, you know, anybody that's followed
me for a long time knows that I'm not usually the person that takes a quarterback early
and I was the first person to take a quarterback.
So the way that the draft unfolded, I was just playing the board, you know, so picking
12th, I started, like you said, with St. Brown and Gentie at the, you know, 12 and 13 picks.
And then when it came back to me at the 3-4 turn, there just wasn't a wide receiver running
back that I thought was worth taking there.
So I said, you know, I'm going to do something different.
I took the number one tie down on the board there, who was the number one
tight end last year in George Kittle.
And I took Lamar Jackson, who was the number one quarterback.
And so if those guys are in a similar range to what they were a year ago,
I think both your teams from a running back and wide
receiver perspective look better.
I think from a roster perspective, though, I may score as many points
as you guys because of what Jackson and Kittle
do especially at the tight end spot where you guys are starting rookies and
again could have the best tight end in fantasy based on a point-per-game basis
who might just benefit because of the receiving core being as decimated as it
is so he could be closer to McBride and Bowers and I think a lot of people
realize but look it a lot depends on on the Judkins situation like you saw I
did take Dylan Sampson so I do have at least one piece of the Browns backfield
of Judkins going to miss any time.
And I like the wide receiver depth that I have.
You also don't see the bench, which has Keon Coleman,
I believe, and Cedric Tillman as well.
So some guys that I like that I think have the potential to be
in that flex play conversation.
So I like the way that the team worked out.
Again, not the usual roster construction
that I'm used to putting together,
but sometimes you've got gotta be a little bit different
depending on where you draft
and how the board falls to you.
I've got nothing for team names, nothing here.
I used to do Stefan or Kel for the Stefan Diggs,
but he's just not relevant enough.
I mean, it's your flex.
I got nothing.
Jamie, you have a very boring team with no good team names.
I'm gonna give myself the title
of best team picked last week.
All right.
We're going to be back with your questions.
Ask FFT after this on fantasy football today.
Ask FFT.
Here we go. I'm keeping neighbors in the fifth and Bucky in the 14th. I can
go anywhere in the draft. Should I get the number one pick to get chase or Bijan or pick
elsewhere? Jamie.
Take number one and get one of the best players, if not the best player in chase.
All right. Next question.
Yeah, we're good, Dan.
Yeah, you can get this one.
You can get this one for the 20-team league
that needs deep sleepers.
What do you think?
Deep sleepers ranked after between 200, 300.
All right, here we go.
Let's do a quick one that I love, Eli Moore on the Bills.
That's my favorite.
Let's see who else we can throw out.
Jalen Newell of the Texansans think he has a really good shot to
make a run this year. Let's let's stick with those two as my
two main targets.
All right. Next question. Nico in the fourth or Daniels in
wealth. I'm going Daniels Jamie.
I would go Daniels as well, but it's hard to throw back Nico.
Nico, you go okay. We have time for one more. Are we done? We
got
Niko, okay. We have time for one more. Are we done? We got, would you take, would you trade 1.1 in a keeper draft for 1.2 and five? Oh, but Kyron would be the next. No, I wouldn't
do it.
No, I would, but I would take Amari and Hampton as one of those picks.
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