Fantasy Football Today - Five Big Topics; Titans-Rams; Injury Updates (11/08 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: November 8, 2021

Starting the show with a Titans-Rams recap and our thoughts on the Titans running game, plus why Tyler Higbee is one of the better "touchdown-or-bust" TEs in Fantasy. And we've got your news and notes (11:30) and there are a lot of them! Russell Wilson, Trevor Lawrence, Chase Edmonds and many more updates ... Getting into our Five Big Topics we kick it off with the Chiefs offense (18:00) because there really is no bigger topic in football right now! We're still confident in the Chiefs but are we considering sitting Patrick Mahomes? Then we'll talk about players who may have fooled us with hot starts (21:00). Mike Williams, D.J. Moore, Sam Darnold and more ... Our thoughts on the Eagles offense going forward (29:10) and our favorite buy low (36:30) and sell high (45:10) guys. So many names to consider including the Broncos WRs and the entire 49ers passing game ... Email us at [e-mail] Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck. Coming up on the show, recapping Tennessee's 28-16 win over the Rams. No, there are no fab refunds for those of you who spent a lot on Adrian Peterson. Though you did get a touchdown. That's good news. I'm going to tell you about a running back that has a stud running back, I should say.

Maybe the best running back who has maybe the worst possible schedule for the fantasy playoffs, weeks 15, 16, 17. Does it matter? And we've got buy low, sell high. We'll talk about the Eagles offense. We'll talk about Mike Williams. We've got a lot, a ton of injury updates. Good news for James Robinson, Russell Wilson, et cetera. Chris Towers, good good afternoon what's up not much adam what's up with you

no nothing nothing you know ho-hum monday yeah that's good yeah yeah productive uh let's go to tennessee 28 los angeles 16 so we'll get uh jacob gibbs on a little bit later i know you guys have a lot of buy lows and sell highs to talk about so i'm looking forward to hearing about that as we're approaching the trade deadline in a few of my leagues it's this week i think it should be more like thanksgiving especially with the longer season but we still have a few more weeks to make trades i just realized it passed in one of the leagues where i'm the commissioner i guess I never updated it for the longer season, and I should probably

just extend that, right? As long as everyone else is okay with it, I don't see why they wouldn't be. Yeah, I know. It's the 28th. Someone lied to me. Oh, it's November 20th? Yeah, you're good. That's when it should be, right around then. So, Stafford

rolled his ankle late in the game. Hopefully he's fine. Didn't see anything about that. Tyler Higbee almost touched down. Robert Woods almost touched down. But give me your major takeaways as the Titans get a really impressive win over the Rams with, gosh, I don't even remember how many total yards they have.

Do you? It was like 190-something? I think they got over 200. All right, I'll check on that um yeah I think the big takeaway for this one is boy they're really going to uh they're going to need their defense to play as well as it did yesterday to have a chance if this is what the offense is going to look like with uh without Derrick Henry because they ran the ball 26 times and picked up 69 rushing yards,

which, look, I know having an identity is important to a football team and all that, but if this was a game where they actually needed to move the ball, they got the one pick six and then the one interception that was returned inside the five. If they had actually needed to move the ball, this game would have gone very, very poorly

for the Tennessee Titans based on how they played. And so hopefully they will lean into the pass a little bit more. It was nice to see Julio Jones got 75% of the snaps. But yeah, the big takeaway is this offense could be pretty bad unless they make some adjustments. Yeah, but I'm not worried about A.J. Brown. I think that's the one guy that you just... Definitely not. Keeping your lineup and he could still be a stud.

He got a ton of targets. He saw, from what I noticed, he saw a lot of Jalen Ramsey. Ramsey doesn't exactly shadow players, but he plays a lot of left cornerback and that's where A.J. Brown was lining up a lot. So, you know, a bad game for him, but still great involvement. Four of the last five games,

I think he's had nine or more targets. Yeah, 11 targets. Like, this is the thing to keep in mind with wide receivers in general is that production comes and goes, you know, especially like with running backs, production is really strongly tied to opportunity. With wide receivers,

opportunity is the baseline, but then there's a lot of fluctuation because it's more difficult to complete a pass and it is to hand the ball off you know yeah so yeah it's nine nine or more targets in four straight games so forget about aj brown he's good julio jones i don't know if that was encouraging or not and i think it was i think it was encouraging that he stayed healthy that he played 75 of the snaps and didn't leave the game that's where we are with julio jones right now um and yeah i still believe as long as he's healthy he's going to break out eventually and hopefully when the you know if and when the titans stop running adrian peterson into the back of his offensive lineman they will uh you know throw a little bit

more well right and i I'm trying to... They had 194 total yards. You mentioned the pick six, the interception inside the five-yard line. I just want to see how many plays they ran, because I think they ran a very, very low amount of plays for a team that came into the game with the second most plays in football.

54. 56, sorry. Very, very low amount of plays. So, you know, normally I think you'll see more past attempts, but you are seeing with Tannehill after he came out, look here,

here's past attempts in nine games, 35, 40, 27, 49. You get 35 or more in three of the first four games of the year. Start to think, Hey,

look, they, they got Julio Jones. They throw into Derek Henry a little bit. Maybe this defense was playing awful, which has turned around. Right, yeah. And now 22-29, 27-33, 27 in his last five games. So that's obviously not a lot of pass attempts.

And this was a weird game because they just ran so few plays. And they're not going to be able to run the balls efficiently. That's the key here. So we'll see what happens with Julio Jones. But I wouldn't cut him. I know people might be asking that, not dropping him. Who's the best running back going forward? Deontay Foreman, I think, was the only one who showed a little bit of juice.

I mean, Peterson, I thought, looked really bad. But also a tough matchup and an even tougher one in Week 10 with the Saints. But who's the best Titans running back going forward? I think it'll probably be either Peterson or McNichols. I have a hard time. Maybe they'll just give Foreman more carries than Peterson, but I have a hard time seeing that being the case. So I would guess it'll either be Peterson or Foreman,

and it'll depend each week on whether Peterson finds the end zone. If he does, he'll be the best. If not, McNichols will be. But I'm pretty pessimistic about this backfield all around. And any takeaways from the Ram side of the ball? One thing I did want to note was, well, one Robert Woods.

It was nice to see him get 10 targets. I believe in this one. Yeah. Seven catches, 98 yards on 10 targets. Yeah. Led the team in, in receiving. He's been so believe, in this one. Yeah. Seven catches, 98 yards on 10 targets. Yeah, led the team in receiving. He's been so up and down this season. I mean, like last week he had two touchdowns,

but he only had 55 yards total, including 33 in the passing game, I believe. So it was nice to see him have a big game. And then Darrell Henderson left with an ankle injury in this one. He was able to return, but we'll see whether that's an issue moving forward. But that explains why he only had 11 carries when he's been someone who typically has been really dominating the work. But I just keep wondering if at some point they're going to have to limit Darrell Henderson's workload. They've used him.

I mean, the games that he's been healthy and hasn't left with injury, he's basically been right there with anyone south of Najee Harris in terms of snap share. He's been right around 80%. He's at 60% in the last two weeks, and I wonder if that's going to be a feature moving forward. Yeah, well, you had Michelle on the field

for the last possession. Michelle had seven carries. He had four of them on the final possession the last possession. Michelle had seven carries. He had four of them on the final possession of the game, plus the receiving touchdown. It was a perfect way to end one of the terrible all-time NFL Sundays. Yeah, it was a really bad— With Sonny Michelle catching a touchdown at the end of the day. Kind of a boring—I mean, I hate to put down fantasy football,

but this was a boring ho-hum. That's the second time I've said ho-hum today. But it wasn't even ho-hum. It was boring, uneventful, and not that much changed in fantasy this week. Yeah, and I think maybe it says something about the quality of my leagues that I had one of my best weeks of the season

when either 10-4 or 11-3 in my 14 leagues. Yeah, I... well, good job. Congratulations. Well, no, it makes me a little concerned. All the good offenses were terrible this week, and my teams were great. Van Jefferson's interesting. He's 57% rostered.

He had seven targets, so now he has five games this year and three overall with six to seven targets. If you get six to seven targets in this offense, you could do something with it. In those five overall with six to seven targets. If you get six to seven targets in this offense, you could do something with it. In those five games with six to seven targets, he's had three good ones. No great ones, really,

but he actually had one great one with 21 PPR fantasy points. But Jefferson is someone that you could plug in there as kind of a desperation number three receiver. I don't think we need to spend much more time on this game. We'll talk more about the buy lows and sell highs and stuff. It's weird how bad Tyler Higbee has been given the role he has in the offense.

He's actually got a career or his lowest yards per target since 2017, despite obviously getting an upgrade at quarterback. It's been, it's been a disappointing season for him his average depth of target is 4.9 yards which is unbelievably low um so yeah i don't know he's he's kind of in that top 12 tight end conversation by default at this point but even, he is on pace for like 600 yards and four touchdowns. Like he's on pace to basically be worse than the previous two seasons. Yeah, the thing though with Higby is that he had a touchdown in this game. He had stepped out of bounds before making the catch just barely.

It was a really lengthy review. And if you're going to go with a touchdown or bust tight end, you might as well go with one on a team that throws a ton of touchdowns and a guy who's, is he leading all tight ends? I think he might be leading all tight ends in red zone and green zone targets. That's wild. I mean, he's among the leaders in the NFL. So let me actually have the page right here.

Cup one, so green zone targets inside the 10. Cup, Pittman, Cobb, Robert Woods, Tyler Higbee. The Rams have three players in the top five in Green Zone targets. Cup, Woods, and Higbee. And the only others who aren't Rams are Michael Pittman and Randall Cobb. So that's wild.

But yeah, he is what he is. He's not going to get you a ton of yards. Okay, let's go on to get you a ton of yards. Okay. Let's go on to the news and notes. And also our CBSSports.com Fantasy Football Today newsletter. Go to CBSSports.com slash newsletters. Subscribe to the FFT newsletter from Chris Towers to your inbox every day. Eight a week.

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It's a great tool. And it's free. So cbssports.com slash newsletters. David Montgomery is expected to be activated tonight against the Steelers. If you have both Bears running backs, who are you starting? Montgomery, I think.

I do worry that if Damian Williams wasn't injured, would David Montgomery be coming off? And maybe he's just a backup. But I would think if he's healthy enough to play, they're going to use him as their number one running back. Ezekiel Elliott, so he has this knee issue that he's been dealing with for a few weeks now. And the last two games haven't really been very good for him.

This is probably not one of those things you're ever going to do anything with because you're not going to sit him. But you should know. Yeah, and this was a bruised knee. I didn't know that it was related to the previous issue. But yeah, I think if he's healthy, he's fine. And this was a weird game for Dallas' offense because they really didn't do anything for the first three quarters they had like 120 yards of offense in the first three quarters something

like that um no no tyron smith i don't know i'm not sure if that was why but they've struggled in the past without him no tyron smith dag prescott maybe not 100 cd lamb maybe not 100 amari cooper maybe not 100 ezekiel elliott maybe not 100 you know he's definitely not 100%. Amari Cooper, maybe not 100%. Ezekiel Elliott, maybe not 100%. He's definitely not 100%. He admitted it himself. He said, Zeke said, something I've been dealing with the past couple of weeks. I think that's a good excuse, I feel like, for why their offense

wasn't great. Just hopefully it stops being an issue. Trevor Lawrence sprained his ankle. He was able to come back, but we can't call him 100% for this week at the Colts. Josh Jacobs, Kenyon Drake, they're dinged up. Haven't seen anything on them. They're probably fine.

But the ones we're keeping an eye on this week are Zach Moss with a concussion, Ramondre Stevenson, and Damian Harris. And then Chase... Yeah, they're both left with head injuries. Chase Edmonds is going to probably go on IR. He has a high ankle sprain. So it's all James Conner for Carolina, who's been very good against running backs but still uh i mean the

matchups don't even matter right carolina seattle then a buy then chicago that's the upcoming schedule what he showed as a pass catcher was really impressive i thought that that's that's the key because you know he'll get the carries He'll get the goal line work. We know that. But if he's also going to be targeted five times a game, like Chase Edmonds mostly was, then that could make James Conner a top 15 back at the worst. Kyler Murray uncertain for this week, but Russell Wilson is coming back this week at Green Bay, hopefully to face off against Aaron Rodgers,

who's eligible to come back Saturday. And if he does come back Saturday, if he does clear the protocol, he will play. Matt LaFleur doesn't care when he comes back. If he's eligible to come back Saturday. And if he does come back Saturday, if he does clear the protocol, he will play. Matt LaFleur doesn't care when he comes back. If he's cleared, he'll play. Antonio Brown and Rob Gronkowski, uncertain.

I wouldn't count on Antonio Brown. He's still in a walking boot. Will Fuller out. Preston Williams going to play this week, Thursday against Baltimore. We don't know about Tua yet. We don't know about Sam Darnold. Not committing to Sam Darnold.

He got a shoulder injury, too. Yeah, right. He went for an MRI, I believe, on the shoulder. I think he said if he's healthy, he's not committing to him. Something like that. Yeah. Terod Taylor is going to start for Houston. They're going into a bye, but he's their starter.

T.Y. Hilton's still in the concussion protocol. Mentioned this yesterday, but two offensive line injuries for the Broncos, who were already playing without their left tackle, and they still ran all over the Cowboys. They lost their right tackle and a guard yesterday. Patrick Sertan has a sprained knee, so that's not a long-term injury.

We'll see if he can make it back for the Eagles. The Broncos have a week 10 bye. No, no, no. We're going into week 10. They have a week 11 bye. Did you see the Mac Jones ankle thing on Brian Burns? Yeah. It looked dirty.

Yeah. I don't know what's in his heart, but it looked like what a dirty play by a quarterback in that situation would look like. I've never seen a guy like he burns wasn't even really around the ball at that point you know and he's just yanking on the guy

i think when he was he felt he knew he fumbled the ball and he was just trying to keep him from jumping on the ball right right right but then he kind of twists and that's where you know uh yeah right don't that. Just don't do that. So the Bills... The Bills really stunk yesterday. Two things to note. They were playing without two starters on their offensive line.

And Joe Biscaglia of The Athletic said that they are getting the Chiefs treatment, which is the deep safeties, take away the big play defense. It's so weird that this because like there was the saints game against aaron rogers where he really struggled with that same defensive look the saints mostly played uh cover to defense it's it's really weird that like is this really like how you slow down the best quarterbacks in the nfl is you just play like a defense that's been around for 30 years

that like isn't particularly complicated. Well, that's what I was saying. It's like this is not the first time that teams try to do this to the Chiefs. They face them. I'm pretty sure they face the most two high safeties in the NFL last year. It's just working now

and they're they're trying just isn't playing. Well, Josh Allen just isn't playing well josh allen just didn't play well yesterday yeah he was he wasn't good that's the long and short of it is that josh allen hasn't been as good as he was last season that's not a knock on josh allen he nearly won mvp or was a very strong candidate and you know if he's like the fifth best quarterback in the nfl or whatever instead of the second or whatever he was last season, that offense is going to be a little worse. Mahomes has to play better. Allen has to play better than he did.

But given their track records, I have to believe they will. I can't believe that Patrick Mahomes is just going to continue to play this poorly. Mahomes threw for 166 yards. That is a career low in any game he did not leave with an injury. I'm going to give just a few more big defensive notes. Buffalo starting cornerback Teron Johnson. He usually plays every snap.

He left with a concussion. C.J. Gardner Johnson left with a leg injury. Saints cornerback, the one who fought Michael Thomas. Greedy Williams for the Browns. He left with a shoulder injury. Harrison Smith is probably going to miss next week's game. He also missed yesterday's game. That's Minnesota starting safety.

This is a big one. Baltimore starting safety to Sean Elliott out for the season with a torn peck. He missed two games earlier this year. One game was against the Broncos where Drew Locke came in for Bridgewater, so they did fine there. The other game, Carson went through for 400 yards. Eric Stokes, starting cornerback for the Packers. They don't need any more injuries in their secondary.

He left with a knee injury in the first quarter. And there are more things, but you know what? You're probably bored, so let's get to the fun stuff and let's get Jacob Gibbs in here. Jacob Gibbs, they're going to try you out at quarterback for the Chiefs. You going in for

the tryouts? Don't disrespect Patrick Mahomes. They need an upgrade. We're going to be fine. All right. They still have Chad Henney, right? Yeah, I think so. He's the backup.

Yes, they do. He says we're going to be fine, folks. And it's like 37th year. But you know what? Since we are talking a little trade on here, do you have just kind of blind faith in the Chiefs to figure it out, Gibbs? Gibbsy? I guess you can call it blind. here do you have just kind of blind faith in the chiefs to figure it out uh gibbs gibbsy i guess you can call it blind it's not like we've seen them you know be the best offense in like maybe

nfl history over the past few years i guess if you want to call that unwavering unwavering faith it's kind of like how like when you go to sleep you recently had eyesight you currently do not you are technically blind you cannot see but you very recently could i i still have blind faith in i guess okay okay yeah you know look it's it's a question worth asking right now they're going to be they're on their third string right tackle by the way by the end of yesterday's game hopefully they get mike rammer's back they're averaging 17.5 points per game over the last five that's not great wild yeah it's a thing it's it's not i don't think we can just dismiss it anymore i've done too much of that and yeah like i said the thing is with them is they don't have

that many guys that are that you start right it's right it's not like the bucks where you got three you're starting hill you're starting kelsey always like the Bucs where you got three receivers. You're starting Hill. You're starting Kelsey. Always. And Mahomes is really the question. And then like Darryl or whoever's the running back, I guess it'll be more interesting

when Clyde gets back. But Mahomes is the only guy right now that it's really interesting. And I'm still starting him. I have to. Yeah, he said it well. You're not going to put any streamers over him.

So you'd have to have another top 12 guy to consider it. would feel really stupid to have like it would just it would seem like it's like christian mccaffrey this week he only played 54 on the snaps or whatever it was and we knew he was going to be limited i would have felt dumb having christian mccaffrey on my bench even knowing that it may not have been 100% the right move or there may have been reasons to sit him. It's just like, personally, I cannot bring myself to do that. Maybe that's a flaw in my decision-making process,

but, man, unless I have... Like, who could you possibly have with Patrick Mahomes? If you have Derek Carr? Yeah, I'd start with Mahomes. If you have Derek Carr, maybe. They're facing each other. I think he has either really good history or really bad history. I think he has great history against the Chiefs.

Carr. I think that's Carr. Whatever. Anyway, let's get to our five big topics. First one comes from RandyMahl04. What do we do? Now, the two examples he one comes from RandyMall04. What do we do with... Now, the two examples he gives, I think, are pretty different, but what do we do with roster teases?

Players who flash the ability to be consistent contributors or breakouts but then let us down the moment we rely on them. And the examples that Randy gave were Mike Williams and Kadarius Toney, and they're very different. I think that's unfair to Mike Williams. Yeah, but I mean, he's still lumping him in with Tony's unfair, but he still fits the description of the question. People finally bought in, myself included,

and he's been horrible four of the last five games. I mean, horrible four of the last five games. So, you know, he's the first guy we should talk about. And then, you know, there are other players that fit this description. But what do you think about Mike Williams? So he's gone back to being used more like he was prior to this season. The last five games, I think four of them, he has five or fewer targets,

and his average depth of target, which was below 10 yards in each of the first three games, is 14.4 over his last five games. And so that's, I think, where the issue is coming from with Mike Williams. When you work more downfield, you tend to see fewer targets. It's not true for everyone, but generally speaking, there's lower target share for guys who work down the field. And that's what we're seeing with Mike Williams.

He just hasn't been as much of a focal point. They've stopped using him as that legitimate number one alpha type wide receiver like they were early on. And it just, it makes it really hard to trust him. I think he's back in the boom or bust discussion until we see some change in his usage. And he's had a really tough schedule, too. If you look at the four games that he's struggled,

he's faced the Raiders and the Eagles, who are top five against wide receivers, the Patriots, who locked down number ones, and the Ravens. So that's been a factor, too. And he's been dealing with a knee injury. Yeah, and he has been dealing with a knee injury. He's been limited in practice at times.

Did he miss one game? No. He didn't miss one game, and he has been dealing with a knee injury. He's been limited in practice at times. Did he miss one game? No. He didn't miss one game, but he was doubtful or questionable and didn't practice most of that week. So I think that's partially a problem for him as well. Yeah, I said that. I know you weren't on it. I said that on yesterday's show because Charles Davis,

the broadcaster, actually mentioned it, that he's been playing with a knee injury. They haven't really talked about it much. Who else? mention it that he's been playing with a knee injury they haven't really talked about it much um who else is there a more general discussion here about buy when to buy into a player and understand that in fantasy you know you're gonna be wrong a lot you're gonna be right a lot so like like i don't think anybody here on this show ever bought into sam darnold even though he threw for about 300 yards in each of his first four games. I thought he was better. Yeah.

I guess I didn't see this disaster. Yeah. No, I saw a great tweet. Someone sent me with, uh, it was like Scooby doo and they apprehended and it was Adam Gase. And then I pulled Adam Gase's mask off and it was Sam Darnold.

Uh, yeah, I don't know. Jacob, fantasy teases. Your overall thoughts on this topic? Yeah, I think what you alluded to is maybe the best way to approach the question is it's more of an overall discussion that needs to be had. We play a wildly unpredictable game here you know we're speculating on week-to-week um outcomes that are really really unpredictable there's going to be i think just seemingly random fluctuations on a week-to-week basis even among like some of the most consistent and trustworthy players so like

if you decide to start a tease as rainy described it i think you understand there's a certain amount of risk. And when that player doesn't meet expectations, that's not them letting you down. I don't know why that rubs me the wrong way, but I hear that a lot from fantasy players. It's just the nature of the game we're playing. Especially some of these more risky players,

they have a really wide range of outcomes and sometimes go the way that we think they're going to, and then sometimes they don't. And I think the week we're coming off really illustrates that perfectly um so i don't know i think the most important like don't take it personally definitely don't let it get in the way of the way you manage your team don't get reactionary to a player letting you down and just try to see the bigger picture remember that you are playing a weekly probability game and i know that's not a super fun answer but i think you really can give yourself tangible edge just by simply removing personal bias and trying to stay objective in the way you value players so whatever that is for me it's mostly based on data some people it's the eye

test whatever it is if your process leads you to believe in a player um or a tease or whatever you have i think you definitely should trust that over one two even three or four weeks sample size so yeah and the thing that's hard about a player like Mike Williams, as opposed to Kadarius Toney, because Kadarius Toney, you can sort of understand what happened. The Giants just had a ton of injuries at wide receiver, and he got an opportunity to play a big role. And he did really, really well with that role.

But he was playing in situations where they had to throw a lot, and he took advantage of it but now that they're getting healthier the the opportunities haven't been there they're not really healthier that's seemingly banged up that's the thing that that that's why i'm so frustrated about tony is because two weeks ago galladay galladay was out was shepherd out that game or did he get hurt in that game he got hurt in that and then this week was out, and Barkley has been out, and it's like he's just not playing. You know, he apparently isn't very healthy right now because they're not using Tony.

They're not using Gallaudet. 50% to 60% of the snaps, 20 routes, you know, something like that. Or maybe it was 30 routes, whatever. No, it was 20. You're not going to get it. So that was a problem for me. And he didn't play well. He didn't perform.

And Daniel Jones, that's the other thing. I think that's a big part of it too. It like for wide receivers why i don't feel bad about buying into mike williams is uh i love the offense and i love justin herbert why i do feel bad about buying into gadarius tony is look how bad the giants offense has been yeah it's pathetic for years yeah and and i bought into these three games where they looked really good, and they were clicking. And then I feel the same way with DJ Moore. And I know, Chris, you have him as a buy low, and I could actually see that now

because his value is tanking. But when we saw the first three games or four games of the year for DJ Moore, and you're buying into, oh, well, this is going to be the year where he's elite. And Sam Darnold is ruining him. So I don't think we did a bad thing because Darnold was legitimately playing worse.

It's just, I guess, now that we're wrong, we've been wrong, I guess I'm not that surprised. Well, the reason why I think DJ Moore is a buy low is because as bad as I think Sam Darnold is, I don't know that he's that much worse than, I mean, Will Greer, I think, started a couple games for them in 2019, and Kyle Allen, I think, was the other primary starter.

I just don't think he's worse than those guys, probably, maybe, hopefully. And so, like, we've seen DJ Moore moore be a must start not elite but must start fantasy wide receiver he's still getting you know i think his target share is still over 30 percent if not it's really really close and he's had at least seven targets in every game that's why i'm buying into dj moore i'm not buying into dj moore because i think he's going to be the top six or seven guy that i thought he could be based on those early games even though I do think he has that talent um right with Mike Williams it's harder because they just

were using him like a legitimate number one wide receiver and now they're not and so it's a question of will they use him as a legitimate number one wide receiver moving forward or was that just the way the defense were playing them that's where things were now he's back to being the guy he was or he's not healthy or whatever whatever the case may be it just it makes it harder to when it when it's a situation where it's not just a player's talent that's in question it's just a choice that either he or the coaching staff or what have you is making that's what's really hard to predict. Yeah.

And I'm with you on Moore. We don't know what the Chargers coach is going to do. Yeah, and I'm with you on DJ Moore. I mean, now's a great time to get him. You know, this is, if we overreacted to his first four games, let's let people overreact to his next four games. He's better than this. All right, let's go to our next question here from Thomas Davis.

The Eagles changed in philosophy once miles sanders got injured what is his role when he comes back jacob they have thrown 31 passes in their last two games they faced two great matchups in terms of running they get another one this week in denver um we think anyway denver's been pretty bad lately pretty good yesterday i guess uh so what do you think about the eagles offense and and Miles Sanders when he comes back? Yeah, there's no way to tell. I think the matchup factor is definitely something to consider. Like, is that why they're going more run heavy?

Or is it because, you know, Hurts has been inconsistent? I'm really not sure. But if it is, if it's because Hurts, then I would assume they'll remain run heavy once Sanders returns. So we could see more volume for him than we saw previously. I'm mostly interested to see if Boston's Scott or Jordan Howard is going to be inactive once Sanders is back in the mix um if it's Howard I would expect Sanders to basically play the role we saw with the potential for an increase in rushing volume because what we've seen lately but if Howard remains active

and Scott is inactive I think I'd'd be pretty worried for Sanders in that scenario. I think we could see Sanders legitimately lose out on goal line work, potentially even lose out on some early down work, just given how they've prioritized getting Howard the ball in those situations recently. Howard has definitely been the preference winner on the goal line. So there's definitely a lot of variables here, but I think that one in particular is something to keep an eye on. And if you have, I mean, maybe just once you see the first game,

if Howard is active but Sanders ends up playing well, that's a time to sell him, you know? Yeah. I'm looking forward to a third straight week of an Eagles running back being the top running back on waivers, personally. Yeah. I think this is the week it's going to work out. Actually, no, I noticed one thing in this game.

Boston Scott was on the field for 14 rush plays. He got the ball on 10 of them. Jordan Howard was on the field for 17 rush plays. He got the ball on all 17 of them. So what that tells me is, given how often they run the read option, that's kind of the primary way that they run the ball. I do wonder if it's just a situation where Howard is benefiting from teams not really taking the threat of him running seriously

and keying in on Jalen Hurts. You know, when the edge has to make the decision on the... I watched every carry he had. I didn't think it was that. He ran up the middle maybe 13 times out of 17, and he had pretty good holes. The offensive line, I mean, I'm sorry to say it. I'm sure you guys probably agree,

but he did not do anything explosive or exciting. And if they play a competent run defense, I really don't think he's going to have this kind of success. Yeah. He should not be a threat. No, but I think that explains at least some of why he got so many more carries than Boston Scott. Boston Scott did actually play more than Jordan Howard yesterday.

Yeah. And it was really frustrating that Kenny Gainwell got a goal. Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's silly. His only carry, I think, maybe one of two. You know, honestly, I really think Devontae Smith, I think the passing game is more interesting here. You can't average 15 passes a game.

It's just, even Lamar Jackson was throwing 20 at their worst, no, not at their worst, at their lowest pass volume of the season. He was averaging like 20 a game. So as great as Devontae Smith was yesterday, he can't be reliable if they're running this kind of offense. You know, it's almost, it's a pretty interesting comparison. If they get to the point where they're throwing 20 to 25 times a game, Smith and Goddard are like a poor man's version of Marquise Brown and Mark

Andrews in that they're, they probably are going to get such a big target share, but on a unreliable offense. I don't know. Jacob, would you trust Smith and Goddard going forward? I don't know about trust. I'm sort of excited for both of them. Like you were just talking about,

the volume is super concentrated on those two right now since the Zacherts trade. And I think in two weeks we're really gonna have an answer to like what is going on with philly's approach in terms of their pass the run ratio because like if they keep running at this rate against the saints then like it's legit this is what they're doing like nobody does that against the saints one of the league's clearest pass funnel defenses but yeah i mean dallas goddard has a freaking 40% target share of the last two games. Like him and Devante Smith have accounted for almost 70% of Philly's targets

in the past two games. Yeah, that's insane. And so yeah, like if we see any uptick in their passing volume, then yeah, I think there's reason to be excited about both of them. I don't know if I trust them though. And that's the kind of thing that happens when teams throw the ball less you tend to see fewer on high volume passing offenses you tend to see fewer really high target share players because the ball tends to get spread around a little more um but yeah like they're not going to keep running it this much because i think they've run the ball in like 35 percent of their play or throw the ball 35 percent of the time over the last two weeks and like i think the titans at their lowest over the last couple of seasons, it was like 46% of their plays were past plays.

So there's going to be more passing volume moving forward. And I do think Goddard, I definitely trust partially that's because he's a tight end who doesn't stink. And so he's a tight end who doesn't stink. He's a must-start tight end. I want to talk a little bit more about him in a bit. Another problem is Jalen Hurts

missed Goddard on a big play. Could have been a 45-yard touchdown. Maybe more like a 35-yard catch. Depends if the safety makes a tackle. He missed Devontae Smith in the end zone. I thought it was kind of a difficult throw to make, but everyone seems to think he should have made it. But he's going to miss, guys. It's just, that's happening. That's not changing anytime soon. All right. Let's take a quick break here. We got a couple more topics left and it's just buy low, sell high. We'll tell

you who we're looking at in trade when we come back on Fantasy Football today. We're running out of time to make our buy lows. And I love buy low because this is the opportunity to get stars at discounts. It's really the best way to make a major, major upgrade to your team. Hopefully, those of you out there who have been able to do it, I hope it's worked out for you now. Jacob, give me some buy lows. So I talked about Chase Claypool last week on Fantasy Crosses buy low, and I think that still carries over, but it's possible by the time this recording is out that he has had a big game on Monday night.

But in case he doesn't, I think he's one of the best buy lows out there at any position, and the case is really simple. It's just math. He is running a ton of routes. He ran more routes than Deontte last week he played 97 snaps uh in week eight which is the highest we've ever seen from in his career i think he only has three games over 90 percent um so this is really unusual for him but i think it's something that could stick with juju out and so lots of routes plus a high target per route run rate equals lots of

targets and lots of targets for a player as efficient as Claypool should equal lots of fantasy points. Just real quick on the target per route run rate, he is 12th among qualified receivers and targets per route run since the start of 2020. He's ahead of guys like DeAndre Hopkins, some really good receivers, DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Terry McLaurin. So if he is going to play this type of role going forward, I mean, obviously we don't trust Pittsburgh's offense, but if he continues to play this type of role going forward, I just, I mean, obviously we don't trust Pittsburgh's offense,

but if he continues to run this type of route involvement, then I think he's definitely somebody who's undervalued right now. Cause I think you can get him for cheap. Where do you think people even value? It's a hard thing to answer. Cause I don't think anyone's making a trade before tonight, you know? Right. So yeah,

but assuming nothing really changes tonight, assuming he just has the type of game we've been seeing from lately, he's like a wide receiver three for most people. I think some people will drop him. I think he'll be, I think he'll be looked at the way Juju was looked at where it's like, well, in a 10 team league,

I guess you can drop them. That's what I think the perception will be. I wouldn't, I wouldn't do that myself, but he's been pretty awful the last two games as I recall. Right? Yeah. He hasn't put up big numbers.

No. Oh, you want to rattle off a few more? Yeah, for sure. Another up big numbers, no. You want to rattle off a few more? Yeah, for sure. Another second-year guy, Jerry Judy. The ceiling is kind of limited for Judy because of the role he's playing. He's not very involved in the red zone. Obviously, the Broncos just don't provide a ton of scoring opportunities,

even if he was. He's also seeing far fewer air yards than we saw last year. But, like, in exchange for kind of a diminished ceiling projection, he's seen far more consistent target volume, um, and a much higher rate of catchable targets than did as a rookie. So I'm pretty excited about, um, the role we've seen from Judy. It's still a small sample size, but he's, his slot rate is up to 76% from 31% last year. His average depth of target is down from 13.5 to 8.6, which is a massive difference. Um, and as a result, he's been targeted

on 26 percent of his routes which is really really exciting that's up from 22 percent as a rookie and given what we saw from in college I think that it's possible that's sustainable if he can use to play the short yardage role they've got a decent upcoming schedule they've got a lot of zone heavy matchups which should favor Judy over Sutton and Tim Patrick who have like some of the most wide discrepancies between their man-zone splits of any players in the NFL. So I would expect him to lead Denver targets from this point on. I think he's a borderline top 30 receiver most weeks.

So just pretty exciting. He hasn't put up big production yet, but the targets we've seen have been exciting. And then Goddard we've already talked about at length, but he's another guy I think you definitely should buy the loan at this point. Okay, so that's Claypool, Judy, Dallas, Goddard. Chris, I think you said Cortland Sutton was a buy-in for you. Yeah, mostly because he's coming off the two worst games of his season.

He has six targets over the last two games, and then he has three catches. And I think he'll be more involved in the offense than he has been. I don't think Jerry Judy coming back has completely cost him his role in the offense. He's still running a high percentage of the routes. He's still playing a high percentage of the snaps. And so, I think one thing that you have to keep in mind with a player like Corton Sutton, because he plays so much of a downfield role and his average depth of target really hasn't changed the last two weeks, is that there are going to be not just inconsistencies in terms of performance like there's going to be games where he catches two out

of five targets like we've seen with mike williams there are also going to be games where he just isn't open down the field or the quarterback doesn't see him those are lower percentage plays across the board and you make up for it with them being more valuable targets down the field and so i think there are just going to be stretches where Courtland Sutton doesn't have big numbers and then goes through stretches where he puts up big numbers. I'm willing to buy low on him coming off the

trough, would that be the right? The nadir? Whatever you would call that? Sure. Nadir? Yeah, I philosophically, I personally avoid those types of players. And what we're seeing from Bridgewater in his last three games are his three lowest intended air yards per pass attempt games.

He's not throwing the ball downfield nearly as much, and Sutton's been pretty bad the last three weeks. You're probably right that he will have some good games left, but I fear it's going to be one of those situations where he's on your bench for them, or maybe not yours because you trust those guys. Maybe you just have to look at your roster and say... If you can commit to starting him.

I'd like to have a higher upside player like that as my wide receiver three over... I would rather have Cortland Sutton than Hunter Renfro, which I don't know if that's obvious at this point, but I would not, I'd rather have Renfro. So I think people like Hunter Renfro weirdly. And I like, no,

I think, I think it's a philosophical thing. Cause I get it. I prefer the safety. I'd rather have him than Cole Beasley. Cause Beasley has this like super low invisible floor, but Renfro is pretty much never going to give you less than 10 PPR points. And he's not going to have the big games that Sutton will have.

Yeah. But, uh, no, I would take Renfro. Yeah. I'm cool with that. How about you,

Gibbsy? Um, I have Sutton ranked higher rest of season than Renfro, but I think it is pretty close and it depends on what you need. If you need more security or not. Um, one thing on Sutton, I think if you're going to buy law,

maybe wait until after this week because the Eagles really suffocate deep passing. They have the lowest opponent average depth of target. It's not very close. And so say he has another really bad game, and then you've got the narrative like Judy's back, Sutton has completely disappeared. You might be able to get him for free.

Going into his buy, he might get dropped because they have a buy. Going into the buy after that, yeah, for sure. All right, Chris, that was get dropped because they have a buy after that. All right, Chris, that was only one, so why don't you give me a few more? Well, we talked about a couple of the guys already, Patrick Holmes, DJ Moore, Aaron Jones. I feel like they're, you know, I was on

FFT earlier, and there was a lot of talk of, well, AJ Dillon's playing a bigger role, and maybe that's hurting Aaron Jones, and I think that's possible, but I think it's probably – like the last couple of weeks have been weird. They played without Devontae Adams, and then they played without Aaron Rodgers. That offense just hasn't been as good. And I think Aaron Jones is someone that like you're never going to get

huge volume from him. I mean, I guess when Devontae Adams was out, he did have seven catches. But beyond that, usually he's not like a guy who you're expecting 300 touches from or 350 touches. He's a really efficient guy, and this offense will be better than it has been the last few weeks. So I'm willing to buy law on Aaron Jones if someone's not viewing him as a top 12 running back anymore.

Cool. All right, let's go to our... By the way, one of my buy lows was Dallas Goddard. I love David Montgomery's schedule after the buy, and I think he'll have a big finish. And I love... No, I wouldn't say I love. I want to get your thoughts on Clyde Edwards-Elair

because if this trend continues where teams are really allowing the Chiefs to run, Chiefs running backs have had 21 to 22 carries. No, 24 or more. 22 to 24 carries by Chiefs running backs in three of their last four games. The one exception was the Kansas City game where they had five carries. It was just the worst game the Chiefs have played in forever.

Titans game. My bad. Titans game. What did have played in forever. Titans game. My bad. Titans game. What did I say? The Kansas City game. Yeah. Which technically was. It was.

Yeah. But they're running the ball a lot. And Darrell Williams is not a good running back. He's a plotter, basically. So I don't know. I mean, you've got the same concerns about Edward Zieler that you had before. Does he catch enough passes? Does he get the goal line work?

But I do think he could be a pretty good running back, just running the ball efficiently. He's averaging 4.7 yards per carry as it is. He might be the key to them in the second half of the year. You know what I mean? He might be a big factor for them. So I don't know what value people think he has. I would give up...

What would I give up for him? I wouldn't give up James Conner, that's for them. So I don't know what value people think he has. I would give up. What would I give up for him? I wouldn't give up James Connor. That's for sure. I would probably give up Miles Gaskin for him. I would definitely give up Miles Gaskin for him. We'll talk about Miles Gaskin

in the next segment. Let's go. Sell high, Chris. You can lead it off. Miles Gaskin. That's a good one. Hey, he's just... What I feared happening before the season with him was what's happened to my davis

so far which was that the only thing he really had going for him was well look how much work he's gonna get he's guaranteed these touches because there's nobody else there but nobody actually thought he was any good and it turns out those touches weren't guaranteed because they found someone better and that's not that hard to do at running back. I don't know if the Dolphins have anyone better than Myles Gaskin. They don't seem to think they do, but I think coming off a game where you got 20 carries, rushed for 34 yards, but scored a touchdown

and had a pretty good fantasy game, I think that's a good opportunity to sell Myles Gaskin because the workload has been there the last three weeks. What happens if Malcolm Brown comes back? Is he eligible to come back this week? Did he go on IR? I think he's eligible to come back next week. Yeah.

Right? So if that happens and all of a sudden Myles Gaskin is back to playing 50% of the snaps and back to losing third down and two- minute work and back to losing goal line work. All of a sudden, like we saw how bad he can be for fantasy. So I just, I think it's, it's time to get out because I think the bottom could fall out at any point

with miles gas. He just hasn't been good this season. Yeah. Okay, good. Like anything, 3.6 yards per carry and 4.1 yards per target. Those things can fluctuate a lot and it's not just him. It's the offense around him yards per carry and 4.1 yards per target. Those things can fluctuate a lot, and it's not just him.

It's the offense around him. Right, right. He was an undrafted free agent, or he was a sixth-round, seventh-round pick. I think his time in Miami is done sooner than later, whether it's week 12 of this season or in the offseason. Anyone else? For you, Chris, then we'll go to Jacob.

Yeah, Jordan Howard feels like an obvious one. I would say both Hunters, Hunter Renfro and Hunter Henry. Hunter Henry's just scoring touchdowns, and maybe that'll continue. They seem to like him in the red zone, but he's not doing anything else. They are not throwing to their tight ends. I don't think if Johnny Smith misses a week,

it's going to make Hunter Henry this must-start guy. I think he's a touchdown or bust guy. And Hunter Renfro, I just feel like there's a perception that he's more valuable than he is. It's fine to have a guy who can get five catches for 57 yards, but he hasn't had more than 58 yards in all but two games this season. He hasn't had more than 57, I think, in the last five. So I just, like, cool, he's on pace for 95 catches and 950 yards

and four touchdowns or six touchdowns, whatever it is, which is, like, he might finish wide receiver 24, but I don't think he's a top 24 wide receiver. I think he's more like a high 30s or or lower guy so i would say hunter renfro and melvin gordon he's got four touchdowns over his last three games he's played somewhat well but i don't know i just like we know who he is and coming off probably his best game of the season i think it's a good opportunity to sell. All right, Jacob, who are you selling? So mine are all really good players, so I'm a little bit worried about it. But I think Alvin Kamara.

If you can get top three, top five running back value, then he's somebody you can consider selling. His share of the backfield touches just kind of continues to creep downward. Since Ingram has arrived we also saw tasem get a carry from inside the five um that's something to watch out for going forward it's just going to be annoying um and then if tasem starts at quarterback uh there are you know we've seen a pretty massive drop in targets per outrun for camara in the games played with tasem of course there's other contexts to consider their wide receiver uh depth is significantly

worse this year so maybe it won't be as quite as drastic of a drop, but still I would expect to be targeted less than we've seen. There's just a lot of question marks for somebody who's probably still considered a top three back because he's been playing well lately. So with his backfield chairs already dropping, I think he's somebody maybe get ahead of the bad games that could be coming. You know, he's running back six rest of season just yeah he's looking more like in terms of his usage what we'd seen the previous years before this year the problem is he's in a much worse offense with where they're not throwing

the ball nearly as often i guess his target share is probably pretty similar but man i sean payton has been infuriating this year with how he's handled that offense. Alvin Kamara didn't get a target until like four minutes into the third quarter yesterday. That should never happen. To be fair, he had 19 carries in week eight against the second best run defense in football

in Tampa Bay. So I know based on this past week on Sunday, 13 carries, four catches. But the week before that, it was 19 carries. So I think based on this past week on Sunday, 13 carries, four catches. But the week before that, it was 19 carries. So I think the context, it's not like Jacob was saying he stinks. He has him as RB6. But if you can turn him into something that's, you know, what you would pay for one of the truly, truly elite players, then you do it.

All right, who else? I do disagree with this next one, Jacob. Joe Mixon. Yeah, that's fair. Joe Mixon, I have him at running back 13 rest of season. I think you could potentially get top eight, top ten running back value for him. He's been just scoring touchdowns like crazy. I don't know if that's necessarily sustainable.

He's also just still not getting passing downs. Those are going to Samadji Pirine, and it's just something they haven't really wanted to give to him all year. He just doesn't project as a weekly top 10 option for me. I mean, if he keeps scoring two touchdowns every week, then he will be. But if you can get that type of value for him, I would do it. The biggest thing for me is it's kind of like Mike Williams where it's will the coaching staff continue to use him this way.

He does have five targets or more in three of his last four games after going four straight games with two or fewer targets. So it's been super feast or famine with him, and that's what it comes down to. If he's not going to be at least three targets per game moving forward, then I don't think he's a top 12 running back. But if he's three, four, five targets per game, then I do think Joe Mixon is absolutely in the top eight to top ten discussion.

So it really comes down to that for me. And I just don't know. I hope they will continue to use him in the passing game. Recent signs are promising. But yeah, when they've been in situations where they've been in two-minute drill situations, he's coming off the field for Samadji Piran. Samadji Piran is playing some third downs. He's playing most of the third downs.

I don't. I don't get it. I don't think Samadji Piran's good in that role or just generally. I think Joe Mixon's perfectly capable of being used in that role, but they clearly don't want to. And so it's going to be somewhat

game script dependent. I think you guys are overthinking it. He's the lead running back on a really, really good offense. He's going to be somewhat game script dependent. I think you guys are overthinking it. He's the lead running back on a really, really good offense. He's going to score some touchdowns. He's going to have games where he catches passes. They're throwing more than they used to, so that probably explains the catches in recent games.

I think you're overthinking it. You can't trade Joe Mixon because you have to have running back depth, or you have to get a running back back, and and a good one. You would have said that about Antonio Gibson coming into the season, right? I was the low guy on Antonio Gibson.

Now I still would have said that. What I would have said, what you would have said that you like, you can't trade Antonio Gibson. You need to get another running back back. You can't sacrifice running back depth, all those things. Oh,

well, I like, so actually this was a big debate for me. I did a Twitter poll, I remember, in August, Mixon versus Gibson, and I was stunned that Gibson won. And I went on a rant about it. I was like, how could you take Gibson over Mixon? I don't get it.

And I just didn't really, I confess that I thought Gibson was a, my opinion was 23rd, 24th, that swing pick. You pair him with McCaffrey, that kind of, that's where he should have been drafted. I was much higher on Mixon. So I just think that the way running back, think about the way running back is right now. Trading away, it's been a really bad year for running backs.

And Henry's out. And Barkley has been out, and he's on a buy and he comes back he gets the bucks his first week back and Zeke's got this knee thing it's like you just can't trade Joe Mixon unless you're in a perfect situation because I think he's whether he's top eight or ten or twelve he's one of the most valuable commodities in fantasy football it's like you'd have to get a lot back and regarding the Antonio Gibson Joe Mixon poll, you know what it is. Joe Mixon's been in the league for five years

so he's Joe Mixon. Antonio Gibson could be anything. He could even be Joe Mixon. No, it wasn't that. I think a lot of people are scorned lovers of Joe Mixon. They were very mad at him and he gets hurt a lot. And now they're going to do that with Antonio Gibson next year. Yeah, but Gibson to me never really proved much as a rusher,

and it was openly said that he wasn't a complete running back yet. It just didn't make any sense to me. All right, anyway, so that's two for you, Kamara, Mixon. Who else? Any other superstars? Chris Godwin. This one just comes down to data as well. I mean, Godwin's obviously great,

but Antonio Brown has missed three games. Those have been some of Godwin's best performances his highest second highest and fourth highest fantasy scoring performances uh his target per route run rate drops by 17 percent when sharing the field with antonio brown um obviously ab is still in a walking boot so we don't know when he's going to be back but i would expect to be back sooner rather than later um godwin's been targeted on 18.9 percent of his routes in games that AB has played, and that's below LaVisca Chenault and Tyler Boyd. It's just above Meikle, Hardman, Kendrick Bourne, Marcus Callaway.

And his target per route run rates, the Bucs run way more routes than anyone else, so their target per route run rates can be a little bit lower and they can still get away with it because they pass so much. But still, that is just not good. When he's's shared the field with ab it's had a significant impact on him um and especially when you consider that his average depth of target is just 8.4 yards he needs to be targeted at a higher rate um if he's going to be a top 12 top 15 receiver so i've got him at wide receiver 17 rest of season i think if you can get um top 12 top 15 receiver value after the past couple

games you know he's paced through his bye week um he's got some matchups coming out they're kind of exciting so if you can sell them for that type of value i think you do it um but obviously you don't want to just sell them blindly i put evans on my list for the same reason and i look at evans and he does have what's his schedule he's got uh new or. He's got Buffalo and New Orleans later this year. So he can kind of struggle sometimes against number one cornerbacks, the elite ones. But it's funny. Bruce Arians said that Mike Evans owned Marshawn Lattimore in week eight.

Evans had, what did he have, like 50 yards and a touchdown or something? And he never owns Marshawn Lattimore. He said that he was open a bunch, but Brady was just fixated on Chris Godwin, and that's why Evans didn't have a good game. But, you know, I brought it up going into the game. He's had one game against the Saints in the last four and a half seasons now

with more than 12 PPR fantasy points, but that's only one game. No, it is the Antonio Brown factor. I wonder, though, if brady is a sell high in the sense that he's he's got a touchdown rate is outrageously high he's amazing i still think he's probably the number one quarterback but i wish lamar jackson hadn't had such a good game because i think you trade br, you get Lamar Jackson and a useful piece. You know, a really good, it has to be like a Robert Woods or better.

I mean, I think the way Lamar Jackson's being used right now, I'm not saying he'll be better than 2019, but I think his upside is as high as it has ever been, and I think it's the best case scenario for him is as good as anybody in fantasy. Yeah, and I completely agree.

I mean, it's just a perfect scenario for Jackson, and he just had bad touchdown luck first half of the year. I don't want Brady to be Russell Wilson or Kyler Murray from last year or Russell Wilson the year before. I don't think he will be because of the nature of the Bucs, but the circumstances have been pretty good. I mean, just the amount of times that they've been at the one or the two yard line

and he throws the ball to Evans in the end zone or something. What I'm saying is if you have Brady, and this is coming from the guy who said in week three or something that he wouldn't trade Brady for Barkley. If you have Brady, which I was killed for, but you have to get Dak Prescott or something like that and something. But you could consider doing that. Or you could just sit tight and...

Keeping Brady's not a bad idea. I want to give one... I want to get your thoughts on the Niners because I think the fact that they're 3-5 now, I believe. Trey Lance is coming. I don't think that Garoppolo can give you three consistently good guys in the passing game, even though their defense kind of sucks this year,

and they're probably going to throw more than ever under Shanahan. They're going to throw a lot more than we expected. I'm just terrified of Kittle, I guess, in particular, with Trey Lance. I would trade Kittle. In the same analogy that I was making with Brady and you know Herbert or Jackson or something Kittle for Goddard and a really good player yeah that's the thing is like Goddard

needs to be by far the worst player in that deal for me to do that I don't know I'm really nervous about Kittle he's been up and down this year I think it could be a great not great fit but I think like if we're talking about a situation where they like run a lot of uh rpos which I think they probably would given Kyle

Shanahan's history they do generally anyway uh Kittle is well situated I think to be very good and this is one thing about the 49ers offense is there they've got so many good playmakers with the ball in their hands but George Kittle I't know, between him and Devo Samuel, it's a real tough battle for who's the best with the ball in their hands. George Kittle is kind of on a different planet at tight end when it comes to yards after catch, and so I think he can still thrive in that offense. I think the volume will be lower, but I think with Trey Lance,

I think the passing game will be lower. But I think with Trey Lance, I think the passing game will be worse. And I'm worried about whether Brandon Ayuk, who I really like moving forward, and Debo Samuel can both be really good. Kittle I'm less worried about just because anytime he's been on the field, no matter what combination, what permutation of those guys has been with him,

he's pretty much been awesome all the time. It's just, it's mostly... Right. So, okay, then because Debo and Ayuk were not good when they were all playing together. Kittle was. Bottom line is, I didn't think at the beginning of the year that they could get three

really good players from this passing offense, considering nobody's ever had more than five touchdown catches in the Shanahan era. And Ayuk's finally showing up. I would sell high on him, by the way. Debo has been so damn good that it's hard for me to get away.

I don't know. Who's the one guy that you think would be the best player to trade out of Kittle, Debo, and Ayuk? Or would you just sit tight? Jacob, I'm going to you first. Jacob, why don't you give your answer first um the best play to sell out of the three past catches in san francisco question i think i would choose dbo but um i think it has to be yeah um so dbo like one interesting metric that i look at is first down targets.

It just gives a clear indication of who the first read is most often. And he's been at the very top of the league, above 40%. That dropped to 29% last week. George Kittle was at 35%. So we saw him right away come in and kind of cut into those type of targets. He was also used in motion a little bit less likely, Debo, a little bit less often than usual. Yeah, I think that's who it would be.

I think Kittle eats into his role a little bit more than he does Ayuk's. And I think we have seen some encouraging things from Ayuk lately, and it's possible that it will really benefit him to have someone who is more willing to throw downfield. He's been far, far more efficient on his downfield routes like compared to league average than he has on short routes iuk um throughout his career um but it just hasn't really mattered because he hasn't had very many downfield routes um or targets and playing with garoppolo i finish it up chris and i think a lot of it comes down to just perception there are a lot of people like we

mentioned with joe mixon earlier there are a lot of people who are done with brandon iuk who are just fed up i don't think there's going to be a lot of people who are like yes brandon iuk like a lot of people view george kittle the same way i think george kittle is very much in that he can't stay healthy category and that hurts a player's perceived value i think debo samuel is probably the one who has the fewest perceived marks against him which is going to help his perceived trade value he's also arguably the best one the best one I think Debo Samuel is probably the one who has the fewest perceived marks against him, which is going to help his perceived trade value. He's also arguably the best one.

The best one of the three so far this season as well, which certainly helps. Yeah, I think you're trading him closer to peak value. All right, that's it for today's show. It was a good one. Thank you to Jacob and Chris. We will talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football Today. And please hit subscribe. Please like the video and check out fantasy football today in five.

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