Fantasy Football Today - Five Players You Should BUY LOW on Before Week 2; Waiver Wire Adds You Can STILL Make (FFT Dynasty)

Episode Date: September 11, 2024

How's your roster looking after Week 1? Could it use some bolstering with a few waiver wire adds? Let Heath and guest Jax Falcone help you get your roster right for Week 2! (03:44) - Three Questions for Scott (10:09). - Buy Low or Oh No! (32:21) - Waiver Adds Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to Fantasy Football Today, Dynasty. I am your host. Week one is complete. We now know everything that's real. We learned all the things we need to learn. No, that's not true at all. We're going to try to separate some of the facts from the fiction today. And to help me do that, my good friend Scott Belanger, a.k.a. Jax Falcone, a.k.a. Dino Game Theory on Twitter, or a.k.a. X. What is up? Thank you for being here today, man. What's going on, Heath? A pleasure to be here and grateful to be part of the show sometimes,

so I appreciate you having me on. So yeah, let's rock and roll. I want to give you a chance before we get started. Tell everybody what you've been working on and where they can find your work. So yeah, we've been, well, my show is The Undrafted on wherever you can find podcasts. So that's my show, the Dynasty show that I do. But The Undroppables team has been working hard on a ton of awesome projects. I think me personally, the UN score model

was something that we put together, which was a wide receiver model that's performing very, very well. You know, it even told us some things that we probably didn't want to believe, like Jalen McMillan and Luke McCaffrey. But yet the model seems to be kind of right about these things. So we're kind of leaning into what the model tells us. That's fun. And then the other exciting project from the Undroppables on our YouTube page, have something called uncovered which is you know team based uh shows we have almost every single team we're adding every single team as we go along so you know whatever your favorite team is just go to

the on the undroppables youtube page and you're likely to find a show about your favorite nfl team awesome awesome stuff on today's show we're going to talk about some deeper waiver wire ads. We're going to play a game, buy low or oh no, talking about some of the worst performances from week one. I did have a question, though, and this kind of just leads into my three questions for you. But it was from Twitter and it was specifically for the show. And I thought, you know, that that's a good thing to ask my guest today. Is Jermaine Burton a stash no matter what this season,

or is he droppable at some point he has him for $1. And he just was wondering, like, is there anything that causes you to drop Jermaine Burton this year? You know, in most dynasty leagues, no, you know, there are some dynasty. He said he's playing a keeper and he's $1. you to drop Jermaine Burton this year? In most dynasty leagues, no. There are some dynasties. He said he's playing a keeper and he's $1.

Yeah, probably. I don't know. I mean, that's a different keeper league, obviously, a little bit different. But in straight dynasty, I think we've got to be looking at Jermaine Burton as a bit of a project. Look, Jermaine Burton also performed very, very well in the model. He was a wide receiver seven in the model, and the model has no idea that he's a complete lunatic. So that's the problem is that he does have the skill and the play on the field to compete at a high level. But what's the word out of Cincinnati is that he's not picking up the playbook, he's showing

up late, these types of things, right? He's sort of a, he's a loose cannon. So I think he's a huge risk reward player where I think after a while, we'll just see that he's not going to be able to be an NFL type, you know, player, meaning he, he can't handle all the ancillary things, but you know,

once he's on the field, I think with Cadareous Tony, Josh Gordon, maybe, I don't know. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, that was, there was a little more going on with the Gordon thing, but like with Tony, there wasn't ever, it was just kind of always just weird stuff. And it was also injuries with him, but let's, let's go into the three questions. Yep. Because Tony was also terrible in the model though, by the way, he's, you know, we didn't like, I hear a lot more from our bubble about don't overreact, don't overreact, don't overreact to week one. Right. Very few, like nobody's preaching,

oh, you need to react to this thing. I just wonder, what do you think for dynasty managers? What should we react to after week one? Well, usage, right? So, you know, I tend to look at usage more than I look at, you know, the results. the results. I was thinking of it this way. If you take any single week from 2023 and just use that as this year's week one, we'd overreact down. But you can see trends. You know, you can see, hey, who's playing? Like, for instance, you know, Tucker Craft played over Luke Musgrave. Like, that's a real signal. That's a real signal. Tucker Craft was coming back from injury. It would have been fully expected for, you know, a player like him to have played behind Luke Musgrave.

And yet he played ahead of him. So these are the types of things that, as I see it, you know, that's something to react to is that usage. Yeah, I think it's exactly right. I had tweeted about this with Courtland Sutton and Calvin Ridley earlier and just like their performance was terrible and their usage specifically in the context of the offense was fantastic. And so like it's terrible matchups again in week two, maybe you just want to spit that i would not be lowering those guys based on bad performance in week one right i do wonder like maybe those would count but who is one guy you're trying to buy low on after one week one one guy things didn't go well for but you just don't really care yeah um i'm going to answer that but also your courtland sutton calvin ridley thing it's pretty interesting because

you think about those players and like we had this about chris olave like he was the area you know unrealized area yards king well that's because of quarterback play so i think we can look at you know courtland sutton and calvin ridley and not expect too much rebound because the quarterback play is going to remain a little bit um you know below average and And so those players, you kind of take these things into context. I think the player that may be a buy low right now is probably the same buy low as last year, week one, which is Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. I think a lot of people are maybe thinking, hey, this may be a big problem. They just lost to New England.

There's a lot of hairs on fire with those two players and i'd be more than happy to buy either one or both uh you know if i can buy low i think right now jamar chase could be you know could be taken away from a fantasy manager for a reasonable cost so that's the interesting thing because like it it's been for probably the last eight months now, Jefferson, Chase, Lamb in that top tier. And I think most people are going to prefer Jefferson and Lamb to Chase now, but we may get to a point. If wide receiver four among Ross St. Brown had done anything in week one, or if Marvin Harrison Jr. had done anything in week one,

or if Puka Nakua had not got hurt in week one, we might see Chase falling in the rankings, but I think you're right. In terms of the value, there may have been a little drop in how many draft picks you have to give up. Yeah, no doubt. You mentioned quarterback play for Denver. Let's talk about the Broncos and the Panthers. There were lots of teams that were terrible, lots of teams to be discouraged discouraged about but those were the two where i just almost felt like okay i'm out yeah is there anybody on either one of those offenses that you have any hope for ever it's funny because heath you're you know you have the question in the show sheet and my answer is uh no no i just put no you know i do have some notes and stuff but it's like you know it was funny i just kind of laughed when I put that answer because it's like, no, especially the Panthers, man.

I mean, is there a more dysfunctional team in the NFL right now? Both, you know, ownership all the way down. Like, you know, first of all, drafting even Mingo and Leggett where they did like awful, awful, awful picks according to, you know, my process. I know I'm not the, you know, but look, you know, I mean, if they literally drafted off of our wide receiver model, they would have had much better picks, you know, and that that's, that's me, you know, I'm in, you know, I'm in your mom's basement, you know, so absolutely just awful job. They obviously they butchered the Bryce Young pick everything about what they're doing just seems like complete dysfunction. Bryce Young seems lost. I'm not sure it gets better.

Dave Canales was supposed to be a little bit of a savior there. No, Sean Payton's smugness is a little concerning. You know, I tweeted the, you know, why isn't, you know, Marvin Mims, Troy Franklin, Cortland Sutton, you know, three wide receivers. Instead, they've got, you know, Vele and like just guys off the street. You know, I'm not, I don't know. Are these guys that bad? Mims and Franklin, are they that bad?

Or they were at least good enough to be drafted in the second and third, you know, fourth, first pick of the fourth round, you know, second and third rounds. I mean, they've got to get on the field. I just have no idea what's going on in either spot. And I'm very, very. They can't block all these running back screens. And so they're useless in this offense.

Like if you can't fall for Jaleel McLaughlin, which obviously no one's blocking for him anyways, he turned five catches into one yard. No, follow-up. Does that extend all the way to one guy who's not currently on the active roster, Jonathan Brooks? It's got to, doesn't it, man? I mean, it's ugly.

It really is. I mean, I know situations change. We talk about that in Dynasty all the time, but we're talking this year. Jonathan Brooks was always kind of a two-year play anyway. It was never like, oh, I'm going to win the league this year. I might get some juice late in the year. Think about all these running backs.

Jonathan Taylor didn't win you anything in year one, but he won you stuff in year two, so forth and so on. A lot of these running backs don't necessarily blow up in year one. We've got to hope that something changes. They might have the first pick. Is there a good quarterback this year for Carolina? We'll find out. I think it's supposed to be one of the worst quarterback drafts we've had in a while. We don't ever know

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doesn't look like he's going to make him anything more than a wide receiver three it is but this is a dynasty show and drake london's for at least another three or four games drake london's pedigree still counts for more in dynasty than it does in redraft. That's right. Still just 23 years old. Like there's lots of reasons to be still a top 10 pick. Michael Pennix is there.

He was a first round rookie quarterback. He could take over for Kirk cousins at any moment by low on Drake London and dynasty or, no. Well, so it's more, oh no than by low, but London and dynasty or, no. Well, so it's more, oh, no than buy low,

but that's because his, his off season costs to me was never palatable. I never was comfortable with it, both in redraft and, you know, and in dynasty, it was a top 10 or 12 wide receiver in both formats. He was around to pick and startups all way too expensive.

And, you know, I know keep trade cutters and everything, but I'd like to see him down. Put it this way. Would you rather have Rashi Rice or Drake London in Dynasty? Right. I was just getting ready to do this exercise with you and go through some of those names and Rashi Rice would have been on the list. One of the bigger risers. It's not even close either, right? Like, I'm Rashi Rice. So Rashi is, you know, ranked further down than Drake London. And we should have had Rashi over him the entire time, really. You know, so, or at least close. And it wasn't close. So for me, I need to see the value for Drake London come way, way down.

And you can do the thing where, you know, you ask me about this or that, and it's probably going to surprise you who, you know, we like better than Drakeke london at this point so i i don't think in the off season you could have bought drake london for a future first just a random future first there it is you could you could not have made that deal if someone like panicked a little bit in week one is okay can i get a first form are you giving up a future first for drake london probably not you're right you know that's it's crazy and maybe maybe if i'm really good and it's late and I'm trying to buy low, but that's right. There's multiple first round pick players and then single first round

pick players. I made the joke, you want to go to Kansas City? I know you love this. I said, during the process, after the draft and everything, I said, can you sell Xavier Worthy for two first-round picks right now? And I thought you could because there's so much hype around him. I think right now you could sell Xavier Worthy for two first-round picks. There's so much hype around him. You want Xavier Worthy over Drake London, and I don't blame anybody. So right now, all of the players that are ranked in and around him

are immensely more valuable. And look, if you can get that type of value where you're trading, you know, Rashi Rice plus a first to get Drake London, it's like, well, yeah, sure. I mean, excuse me, you know, you get Drake London and a first for Rashi or something, you know, so maybe at that point, you're starting to make some sense.

But other than that. I think like London and Brooks kind of fit into a similar category too, because who's trading for Jonathan Brooks? A team that's rebuilding shouldn't be trading for running backs. A team that's contending doesn't think Jonathan Brooks is going to be any good this year and with Drake London like yeah maybe if I'm a contender I'll give up that late first but I'd like to give up that late first for a player that I think is going to be a league like a veteran

that's going to be a league winner and win me a league this year yeah and if I'm a a rebuilder I'm not giving up an early first for Drake London so I know it's only week one, but Jaden Reed or Drake London? It's a conversation, but I guess you'd want London. But how about George Pickens or Drake London? Yeah, I'd probably go Pickens, which my argument in the summer was George Pickens and Drake London should have basically been dragged back to back. Agreed. Redraft. So for dynasty purposes, yeah, I'm not very excited about either one of their quarterback situations.

But the thing I don't really get with Drake Lennon is he's really, really good at the catch point. Yeah. He doesn't do anything after the catch. And he doesn't really ever rate super high as a separator. Right. It's hard to be a great wide receiver if you don't do either one of those two things let's get to another guy who we're trying to figure out if he's ever going to be a great wide receiver jackson smith and jig but basically

was supposed to get the free pass last year like dk medcalf and tyler lockett are both there we're not going to hold this against you we lied to him it was held against him he fell in dynasty rankings for sure outside of the top 20 and some people outside the top 25 wide receivers. Way back. But there was this hope that, you know what? Tyler Lockett's 31 now. He's been hurt all preseason.

It's time for Tyler Lockett to start to fade away. We've got this new offense in Seattle. It's going to be exciting. JSN's going to stop being a screen merchant. They're going to send him down the field. He's going to do great things. Tyler Lockett flat out outplays DK Metcalf and JSN. It's not just box score scouting. You look at the PFF grades. Tyler Lockett graded out in week one as one of the best wide receivers in the

NFL in terms of performance and JSN had a PFF grade of 57. No good at all. Right. low on jsn or oh no well there's some oh no baked into the buy low i think but yeah i think i think his price was a lot more palatable in the offseason you know we were having questions you know is it lad mcconkey or jsn in the offseason i think it's like i was arguing it's lad mcconkey but you know that was more of a Ladd-McConkie take than a JSN take, but now we can look back on it and think it's a JSN take because, you know, JSN was, you know, way down there in terms of where you could, you know, acquire him in Dynasty. I think I acquired him many times as like my wide receiver four or five in the way that I draft, you know, I'd have a, you know, just draft wide

receivers up top in a startup and then end up with JSN. It felt really good with sort of the dice role play. I think he falls further now. I saw some tweet. I think you might have seen it too. It was one of the fantasy points. I don't remember if it was Graham or Scott,

but they had tweeted about his first read percentage. He was only the first read on like 5% of dropbacks and only got two targets. And so, look, they need to scheme whomever, right? Whichever wide receiver you want to be good has to be schemed into the offense. And he really wasn't in week one. We'll look to see if that changes.

I would think at some point this young wide receiver with these aging wide receivers, I mean, this whole story and narrative has got to take hold at some point this young wide receiver with these aging wide receiver. Yeah. I mean, this whole story and narrative has got to take hold at some point you'd think. So I would be buying low a little bit, but maybe a little bit cautiously.

Yeah. I, I, I mean, I wouldn't give more than a second in terms of, I'm not giving two seconds. So I guess I think I might be out at that. Uh,

Joe actually had a buy high question and I saw saw this a couple times on Twitter as well. And people asking, like, if I'm a contender, I want to flex. Tyler Lockett's back. Should I give up a 20, 25 second for him? So you're probably talking about like 9 through 12. I'm going to assume that anybody who tells me that they're a contender, it really is. So we'll pick 20 through 24.

You fine with that for Lockett? It's interesting because I would love to see the roster and how it all lines up because, you know, we're going to get there on the next guy you talk about. Sometimes, you know, it's like certain players, depending on how deep your roster is and how deep the league is, some players in a shallow league, they're replaceable. You can find any player, you know, anywhere for nothing to sort of fill in.

They're never going to play. Other times when it's really deep, it's like, gosh, if only I could have Jacoby Myers in my fifth flex, I could get some points there. So depending upon the situation, but in general, I suppose I would consider it, yeah, because Tyler Lockett's probably got a year or two left if he's this good at this point.

I think it's an excellent answer. Like a shallow league, he's not worth more than a third. In a deeper league, a second's fine, especially because if the deeper league is more than 12 teams, then that pick's not quite as valuable. Even more so, yeah. You referenced it, another wide receiver, another absolutely awful week one,

another guy that's supposed to at some point be better than he has been, Terry McLaurin. Jaden Daniels looked fantastic as a rusher. Cliff Kingsbury looked very much like Cliff Kingsbury as a play caller. Did not have very many shots down the field, and Daniels missed McLaurin on the, on the one big opportunity they had by low on Terry McLaurin off of a, a basically irrelevant week one or, Oh no. Yeah. This was the,

the, where I was going to start talking about that, that depth of roster and depth of starting lineup, because, you know, there's certain leagues where Terry McLaurin for me, you know, is a very valuable piece because I have deep flexes.

And so in those flexes, you need production and, you And so in those flexes, you need production. And in leagues like that, Terry McLaurin is a valuable asset. He's not going away. It's not like he's aging out anytime soon. Was he 28 maybe, 27, 28, something like that? I don't know. He's maybe even 29.

I don't know. 28. So I was right the first time. Just go with your gut, Scott. Well, actually, I think 29 this weekend. So yeah, whatever you want. I was right the first time. Just go with your gut, Scott. Actually, I think 29 this weekend. I know his birthday. I was going to send him a card. Thanks. Remind me. He's got two, three more years of production. He's had four straight years of 120 or 130 targets.

I would assume that will continue. Again, we talk about looking at usage. We want to look at volume of pass attempts. And, you know, Washington only attempted 23 passes. So, you know, in a game like that where they're at the very, very bottom of the pass attempts in week one, that's not going to, I mean, they'll probably be a little bit on the lower side all year with a Russian quarterback. But I wouldn't expect them to average 23. 30, 35 is what you tend to see in these games generally, and sometimes 40, 50 pass attempts in lunatic situations. So I would think that his target share will be solid. I think Jaden Daniels has the propensity to throw the ball downfield. He's a little bit more of a boom-bust

player, Terry McLaurin is, but I think he's still by low, so to speak, in the right situations when you need the production and deep flexes. I did think it was interesting that they played a game that they were down three scores for a large portion of the game, and they had 30 rush attempts, and they had 24 pass attempts. And then the other thing that was not what I wanted to see, you look at the target leaders for Washington. Terry McLaurin, Austin Eckler, Brian Robinson, Zach Ertz all had four. Luke McCaffrey and Olamide Zaccheaus had three. There was no concentration in this passing attack.

Hopefully that changes as well. I would think that Terry McLaurin will out-target Brian Robinson for the for the year i'm just gonna go on a limb and say that's true i mean if if 33 of the path attempts go to running backs then it may not may not matter like the wide receivers don't matter at all in this offense let's get to a uh speaking of a running back let's get to one deandre swift low volume terrible production looked awful the production, looked awful. The Bears offense looked awful. The assumption that Caleb Williams was just going to save everything on week one proved incorrect. Buy low or oh no on DeAndre Swift? I mean, oh no. This is now multiple teams where Swift has been a disappointment. You know, it's not me.

It's you. It's not you. It's me. No, it's definitely you, DeAndre. It's not us. You know, it's been him. You know, he's the X factor at every team where he's failed and where he's been, you know, just disappointing. I mean, no team has had him on their team and been like, we need to prioritize keeping this guy.

Like, literally no team has done that. That's a problem i think you know with his skill set you would think that that skill set would be something that teams would covet so for some reason that we don't quite understand you know could be locker room stuff preparation who knows what it is but at the end of the day i don't i just don't see it with deandre and I don't think many teams have seen it with DeAndre. And ironically, they have one of the most efficient running backs in the NFL parked on the bench behind him in Khalil Herbert. You'd love to see Khalil Herbert get some run. I would anyway. You know, in our mind's eye, DeAndre Swift is better than Khalil Herbert,

but in reality, it's just not the case. It certainly has not been the case as a rusher. We know that for sure. Let's get back to wide receiver. A guy I was probably too high on going into this year, but Michael Pittman, you want to talk about the ultimate difference between a volume game and a production game.

Anthony Richardson hits two deep bombs, but they don't go to Pittman. Pittman handles eight of the 19 targets for Anthony Richardson, but the production's terrible. Is this a great buy low opportunity? Absolutely. Yes. He's first read. Pittman, I think, look, you said 42% target share. If you tell me that I'm going to get that, of course he's a buy low. Give me a 30% target share. We'll be thrilled. That's what I'm saying. So what player would you be like, if I told you they'm going to get that. Of course, he's a buy low. Give me a 30% target share. We'll be thrilled. That's what I'm saying.

So like what player would you be like, you know, if I told you they're going to get a 42% target share, you're not buying. So, you know, these are the types of usage things that we want to look at. He's fine. You know, you mentioned 19 pass attempts. Yeah, we expect the Indianapolis Colts to have one of the lower pass attempts in the NFL. All right. But they had the stone lowest 19. You know, we expect that number to go up.

Here's the other thing. I think Anthony Richardson changed how teams are going to have to play because he made one of the best throws that you will ever see. I mean, period. The throw where he loses his balance, has a guy in his face, and just throws off his back foot 65 yards in the air, dot, double covered. I've never seen. He should maybe try throwing more passes that way, because some of the passes that he threw with his feet underneath him in the pocket

were not near as accurate. Not as good. But I think he's a young quarterback who's learning, you know, and I think there is a theme here. There's a lot of young quarterback, DeAndre Swift with Caleb Williams, Terry McLaurin with Jaden Daniels, Pittman with, right. So there's some stuff here. We talked about Bryce Young and Bo Nix at the top with Carolina and Denver. These young quarterbacks have a hard time, man. You remember, you know, Troy Aikman was like led the league in interceptions and won two games his first year. Peyton Manning led the league in interceptions. Patrick Mahomes didn't even play

in his first year. So a lot of times these quarterbacks, it takes time for them to really develop and see the game. It's fast, man. It's a fast-paced game. They've got to see it and they've got to put it on a dot. So very few players come out and are CJ Stroud. So I think for those reasons, you got to give some of these young quarterbacks and their weapons some patience. And I think Pittman's one of them for sure. I would just have a little bit of a tepid expectation for ceiling just because of things you pointed out with the low pass volume. But would you, are you with me in taking Pittman over McCorn?

Absolutely, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got three veterans here to end it. The problem with veterans

in Dynasty is when you get to the oh-no point, it might be that they're just worth nothing. And you just have to find another starter and you have no value in them. Evan Ingram, four targets in week one, one catch. Brian Thomas Jr. is all the rage

cover lawrence only through 22 passes that's not going to happen very often no ingram is though a 30 year old tight end supposed to be the guy on my contender rosters that's helping me win a championship um if he's on somebody else's rosters it's a buy low try to go get him or is this an oh no buy low um yeah for me tight ends you or is this an oh no? Buy low. Yeah, for me, tight ends generally age pretty gracefully. I'm not thinking that he's going to age out. At some point, of course, they all do, but I think he's fine. He did have 20% target share, 19, whatever, for 21 pass attempts, I believe.

So, yeah, it's a career low for Trevor Lawrence and all the games, whether he's been hurt. Every game he started, he's always thrown more than 21 total pass attempts. So you can't take the absolute stone lowest and then extrapolate that. That was just a weird game. It was in the heat, the humidity. Not that there won't be other game conditions, but he got his target share, just didn't connect. He was a target monster last year. Brian Thomas actually, I think, helps at this particular point. They've got to worry about him down the field. Gabe Davis is out there every snap. Christian Kirk, they've got good weapons. I do think still Evan Ingram will be a security blanket for Trevor when they're throwing the football. I mean, he's going to have near 21 attempts on some drives this year. You know what I mean? Right. No, absolutely. I'm probably a buy low, but it's got to be low because it is a 30-year-old and win the incomes.

Speaking of win the incomes, Devontae Adams, I hope that we're not like his career is going to be ended just by mediocre quarterback play. But Brock Bowers actually leads this team in targets in week one. We saw the decrease in efficiency last year with Adams, with Aiden O'Connell. Gardner Minshew wins the job. He was fine on the targets that he saw, but not the clear number one alpha that we've seen in the past. And we know the touchdowns are going to be a problem for this Raiders offense. Adams, another guy who's really only on your roster because you think he might help you

win a championship this year. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, to me, he's a little bit of a buy low. I think, you know, yeah, you can only project maybe a year or two here, but I don't think he's aging out. I think you pointed out the Aiden O'Connell and now Gardner Minshew doesn't exactly stoke confidence in

anybody, but you know, he, he's been a target monster. He got good targets here. It's not like he was forgotten that I don't have his target in front of me, but you know, he's on a pace for a thousand yards just in this one game. You know what I mean? It's like, it wasn't great. I think Brock Bowers, by the way, Brock Bowers, I think you could make a case. He's the tight end one in dynasty right now. I know Laporta had an okay game make a case. He's the tight end one in Dynasty right now. I know Laporta had an okay game, and McBride's been my tight end too, but I think I'd take Brock Bowers over all of them right now, man. That's all I needed to see was him earn targets.

I think he's legit, man. He is so good. But yeah, I think I would be willing to buy low on Devontae Adams. I think you can probably do so with a player that doesn't even play on your roster plus a pick or something. You know what I mean? I think you can get some sort of young player, Jermaine Burton, but like Burton and a pick and some other stuff. I think you could really put together a poo-poo platter, as I like to call it, which is a bunch of things that really don't matter to anybody, but add up to value to another owner who might say, you know, that's enough for me to move off of, you know, multiple picks, multiple thirds or whatever,

you know, that type of thing. Right, yeah. The problem I have with him is I think he's probably a low-end wide receiver two, high-end wide receiver three, at best, and he's over 30. So it's kind of like the Terry McLaurin discussion we had about, like, what's your league type? Does he really even matter?

And then at his age, he could turn into zero. He could, but here's the other thing though. He, you know, Terry McLaurin, 120 and 130 targets over the last four years, Devante Adam, 170, 160, 150 over the last four years. I mean, so his fall from grace, he becomes Terry McLaurin. You know, if he has a 30% decrease in production. So, you know, for me, Devontae's fall, even what we're talking right now, his pace is a thousand yards.

So I think our expectations are just so high for Devontae and rightfully so, he's been that good. But I think that he's still a useful player in your lineup for the rest of the season. I really believe it. I think he's going to have some big games. The last one, I think we can all just say,

Oh no, Watson. There's just, there's absolutely nothing to feel good. Now, if you wanted to give some context and make it by low case, I guess it would be that this is fair. Both of his offensive tackles were out of the game.

Yeah. They were playing against arguably the best pass rush in the NFL and the Dallas Cowboys. That's a bad team to not have either one of your tackles. But it's now partial parts of three seasons now since he arrived in Cleveland where he's just not looked like a below average NFL quarterback. So in a super flex league, do you even have any low open buying low or are you just completely and totally all the way up here's the thing i'm an oh no and i put it in big bold letters on my notes but you know here's the thing is that everybody is feeling this way there was even some news this morning i don't even man i hate even talking about the stuff but like i read that thing i

don't know if you read this thing yeah there's there's another he's been sued again um like but i read like what read what it states. We won't get too much into it. I'm not going there, but I'm just saying, like, what the? So, like, because of these things, which makes me feel terrible, of course, the sentiment around him is so bad that, like, could you trade Bryce Young and get Deshaun Watts? He probably could or something.

I mean, in other words, you could probably buy super, super low. And for those reasons, I guess it's still. But man, you watch him, and he's bad. He's abjectly bad. I mean, you said below average. I mean, you watch him, and you're like, look, if there was no contract, he'd be done, right? He would not be starting if there were no. And I think that the way they restructured the contract, they made it even harder to walk away from him after this year.

So I think probably unless there is something legal that happens, he's probably going to be on the team. It's just, I'm not even sure he's going to be a top 24 fantasy quarterback, which is amazing to say after the start, unbelievable from him. Let's let's take one more break and then we'll get into some, some deeper waiver wire guys at the end of the show.

Yes, sir. We are back. We've got, we've got some names here to talk about they are names like when you're talking this is the thing and we've had certainly some hits on the waiver wire and dynasty over the last year and a half on this show but there's no reason to talk about the guys that everybody else is talking about this week because they're already rostered in dynasty leagues yes but there are some

guys who get jordan mason you know go get jordan mason he's only rostered in dynasty leagues yes but there are some guys go get jordan mason you know go get jordan mason he's only rostered in 67 of cbs leagues right you're going to be rostered in all of your dynasty leagues most likely there were two quarterbacks that i put on the list and i put the question mark by malik willis's name and that just tells you how bad he has been as a starter so far in the NFL because any quarterback who becomes a starter after an injury becomes a must add. I'm not even sure in super flex. I was,

I was going to say, sure. In a one quarterback league, this is an absolute zero. No, no, no. So I put Malik Willis.

I also put Jameis Winston because I do think there's a possibility that Deshaun is just going to get hurt again. You got absolutely destroyed in that game in week one. Yeah. In a super flex lead, you want to make sure both those guys are rostered. Yes. Rostered. You know, I've sort of, I'm always rostered.

Like, so, you know, these deep wide receivers, you don't need them. You know, you don't need to go so, so deep at wide receiver. It's very unlikely that one of your deep wide receivers is going to be a difference maker. Maybe, you know, you can play them once or something, but, you know, so I'm deep at running back deep at backup quarterback, because right now, if you have Malik Willis, you can sort of throw them to the, you know, Jordan Love owner and potentially get what, you know, two thirds. I floated them out there for a second and everybody told me to go, you know, nevermind, but you know and, and I think that's right.

I think they're probably smart to try and use a second to get a different type of starting quarterback. Maybe they can go get a Sam Donald or something potentially for that second. So I think that those owners are smart to do so, but Malik Willis is worth something. He wishes he would be as good as Deshaun Watson though. It's a, he started three games.

He's yet to break triple digits in passing yards. It's bad. Maybe there will be some LaFleur magic, but I don't really think so. Let's talk about the one running back that I had on the list. And this is a guy who was definitely rostered and then dropped, then maybe rostered again and then dropped. And he was rostered in 17% of CBS league.

So I think he's probably on the waiver wire and a couple of dynasty leagues out there, Alexander Madison, getting ready to Alexander Madison, Zamir white. It sure looks like he is somehow the passing downs back. I never saw that coming this turn in Alexander Madison's career, but he's the, he's the third down and passing downs back for the Raiders currently.

They also said, we're going to go with the hot hand approach. He had the hot hand in week one and played more than Zemir White. And if you just look at the Raiders as they're constructed, they look like a team that's going to lose more than they win, probably playing from behind. I think they're playing the Ravens this week. They might be down by 21 in the first quarter. Alexander Madison might just play more snaps than Zemir White all season long.

I was fading Zemir White all offseason, and as I got closer and closer to the season, I felt worse and worse about that fade. I was like, oh boy, I think I stepped in one here. He's probably going to be pretty useful, and maybe he still might be. But the reason I faded Zir is that, you know, there's just no real track record to believe that he's going to be a bell cow in the NFL.

And you went there with the past game work. There's got to be someone else that, you know, is going to take some of that past game work. In this case, it's Alexander Madison. You know, obviously I think most of the leagues that, you know, the sickos play in Alexander Madison is rostered. If he's not, of course, pick him up. I don't know exactly how much, but any backup running back,

that's the whole point is you've got to have these quarterbacks and running backs rostered because if Zemir White goes down, Alexander Madison's an RB2, RB2-3. I think what happened with the Raiders situation probably is that people thought they were rostering Raiders RB to Dylan Loughby. And then he's inactive week one, and Alexander Madison's playing more snaps than anybody else. Yeah.

Well, I mean, what's the odds that Dylan Loughby is any better than Alexander Madison? I mean, 50-50 at best. And Madison's been a pro. I don't think he's very good in terms of high-end talent, but he's good enough to stick around and good enough to play over a kid from New Hampshire or whatever. Absolutely.

I've got three wide receivers on the list. We spent the entire summer hearing DeMarcus Robinson hype, and Fukunokua goes down in week one. I think those people felt really good about the DeMarcus Robinson situation, and he and Tylerson had the same number of targets and tyler johnson had look i thought he looked pretty good yeah um dude tyler johnson looked good when he played in tampa bay with tom brady i thought you know there'd be some moments i'd be like dude there because i'm a tyler johnson og truther so this one's kind of weird

you know the other one that i saw did you see jordan matthews is like a tight end he's a tight end now yes i was like wait is that he did not jordan matthews you know the difference is that tyler johnson finally like looked good jordan matthews looked like a tight end for the carolina panthers a backup tight end but i was just like my trutherism was kind of having some some feelings you know so yeah uh but the the tyler johnson one, I thought he was a Chris Godwin clone in that middle-of-the-field technician. That's what he looked like for a quarterback who's pretty accurate, especially finding spots in the zone. You could do a lot worse than Tyler Johnson. I will be putting in

embarrassing bids on tyler johnson and i will be wanting him on every single one of my dynasty rosters and i am not apologizing but i'm just telling you you don't have to follow my wake on this one i think that's probably a mistake but i'm doing it well and i think like the thing is the puka injury obviously opens up a lot of opportunity in this offense yeah but cooper cup the guy who's up there in age and has had multiple hamstring injuries that's right is now getting 21 targets in a game it could be tyler johnson wr1 i mean it's possible so i'm definitely adding him devon valet um i some credit to benjamin albright like he was telling us all pre-season

that valet was was the clear clearly in this role and there's no doubt about it saw eight targets in his first nfl game caught all eight of them now i think he had probably a combined 30 yards as well yeah um but like that type of guy as a rookie seeing eight targets needs to be rostered in pretty much all dynasty leagues for sure for sure and not so go go at him off the waiver wire as well right yeah of course i mean we were seeing him added now i sometimes i just sit there and go wait i do the research i'll look and be like vele i'm let's see 25 year old rookie undrafted what the hell am i even doing here and and sure enough he sees eight targets in week one It's absolutely stunning to me that this is happening.

And this is what I'm talking about with Sean Payton. It's just like, this is it? Last year was a little Jordan Humphrey. And I don't know, man. There's just so much with this Denver situation that is so infuriating. And who knows what will happen to Valle. Maybe he'll be a star. Maybe he'll never play again.

It's so fickle there that I don't know. But yes, of course he has to be rostered. because if he's going to see any modicum of targets especially in ppr what he scored you 10 plus points you know just those eight targets so you know i think it was eight targets for 35 yards or something terrible it was awful but point of the matter is it doesn't matter if he's going to see those targets in a dink and dunk offense with bo nicks it's worth it i started working working out recently, and I'm okay with going to the gym and lifting. I've gotten to the point to where I hate cardio. I hate it so much.

And everybody tells me it's good for my heart. It's good for my longevity. It's going to make my life better in the future. And I think we finally saw some proof of that in week one. Alec Pierce, cardio king from 2023. It paid off. Three catches, 125 yards, and a touchdown just when everyone had finally given up on Alec Pierce.

Do we have to pick him back up? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. It was always going to be the, you know, there is some trepidation here because of Josh Downs. Josh Downs will come back at some point. He's got the high ankle, but look, that could be a while.

Who knows exactly with Josh Downs? And those high ankles tend to, you're not quite the same. You're playing, but you're not the same for a while. It could be a tough uphill battle for Josh Downs physically. And then you've got Ad Mitchell and, and, and Pierce and Ashton Doolin showing out as well with a big catch 51 yard touchdown as well. So just saying you could do a lot worse than Pierce and Doolin. Yeah. Yeah. It's well, Pierce, you could do a lot worse than Pierce and Doolin. I mean,

if you want to talk about an, Oh no moment, just maybe like for the NFL and for fantasy football, receiving yards were way down. It's Pearson Doolin that we're getting excited about. That's the state of the league. Thank you very much for being here today. One more time, just tell everybody where they can find your work and what you'll be doing this season. Yeah, theundroppables.com.

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