Fantasy Football Today - Handcuffs, Pairing Brees and Ben, Elusive RBs and More! (07/24 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 24, 2020

Nominate us on PodcastAwards for the Sports category https://www.podcastawards.com/app/signup/ We welcome Jacob Gibbs from Sportsline (use the promo code HUDDLE on Sportsline.com!) to the show. Jacob ...had the 7th-most accurate Fantasy rankings last year, so he'll share some insights with us. He talks about Kenyan Drake (3:05), Robert Woods (8:25) and Amari Cooper (13:13) and why he's high on them ... Want to know who the two most elusive RBs were in 2019? We'll tell ya (18:18)! The answer may surprise you. We also discuss the Washington Football Team (25:23), why Ben Roethlisberger and Drew Brees could be a good QB pairing (27:40) and whether you should be able to bench a player on Monday night to avoid getting negative Fantasy points and losing a week (35:40) ... Handcuffs (39:40)! First of all, do we like to draft handcuffs? And who are the best ones and who are the underrated ones? ... Your Apple Podcast questions (53:40) and emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:59 BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. On his way to the end zone. I'll tell you what, that was a spectacular play. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. What a play. Off to the races.
Starting point is 00:01:16 Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. Today we are being joined by one of the best in the business, one of the most accurate draft rankers last year. He wasn't ranking drafts. He was ranking players for your drafts. He's Jacob Gibbs of Sportsline.
Starting point is 00:01:35 We will get to him in just a minute. My task today is to put the proper title on the episode. Yesterday we did the eight toughest players to rank. The title I gave the show was the eight toughest players to watch, which is a completely different show. Maybe an episode we could do a little bit later. That sounds like a good show. Yeah, that does.
Starting point is 00:02:00 That's Jacob Gibbs that you just heard from Sportsline. We're going to tell you about Sportsline. Absolutely outstanding content. And you can get your first month for $1, and it's only $9.99 after that. You go to Sportsline.com and join with the promo code HUDDLE. First month for $1 for incredible fantasy advice, gambling advice, great stuff. Jacob Gibbs, welcome back. We've had you on before.
Starting point is 00:02:20 How are you doing? Doing good, Adam. Yeah, I really appreciate you all having me on. Always psyched to have the opportunity to nerd out with some other people who think the way I do about football. I think my friends and family are probably tired of me trying to talk about DJ Chark. So it's good to have some people who are equally excited that sports are right around the corner. Absolutely. And I've never seen you before. So I see you right now on Zoom wearing a Sportsline shirt. This is what it's like when people say, you look so much different than I thought from your voice.
Starting point is 00:02:50 But we have a great email later. Adam, didn't you say that Jacob looked like he was like a big fat dude with glasses and a goatee? Jacob, is that who I said that about? I think you said that that's what you thought Jacob Gibbs looked like. Oh, I'm sorry. It looks pretty cool, actually. Yeah. It looks like he doesn't belong on this podcast.
Starting point is 00:03:11 Well, we have an email that I wanted to read. Somebody said they know who to cast in the movie about fantasy football today. They've picked actors for all of us. So that'll come later. But we also, a couple other things we're going to do today. We're going to look at handc us. So that'll come later. But we also, a couple other things we're going to do today. We're going to look at handcuffs. Which running backs are worth handcuffing? Who's the guy to get? How good could that player be?
Starting point is 00:03:32 I'm going to ask you about handcuffing wide receivers. I think it makes a lot of sense if you draft Tyreek Hill to take Nicole Hartman, for example. We'll see what the guys think about that. And, you know, last year we had an email about Drew Brees, who's always great at home and who you could pair him with that had good matchups when Brees was on the road.
Starting point is 00:03:53 I don't remember if we came up with it or if the emailer came up with it, but the answer we gave was Lamar Jackson. So hopefully, you put that plan into place. I've got some names that you can pair with Drew Brees today. This was inspired by a couple of emails. We'll get to that. But first, Jacob Gibbs was named the seventh most accurate draft ranker. He had the seventh most accurate draft rankings, according to Fantasy Pros last year.
Starting point is 00:04:17 So what's your secret, Jacob? No secret, I don't think. Yeah, just a lot of time that goes into those. And especially this year with no sports for the past few months, that there's been a lot of time going to those projections. So I'm excited to see what the season holds. Maybe I'll finish better than last year. Hope that'll be great. Good luck.
Starting point is 00:04:35 That's off the expectations now. So we asked you for some players that you're higher on than the industry. And let's start with Kenyon Drake. We have, I think, six names here. Kenyon Drake, Robert Woods, Terry McLaurin, Amari Cooper, Paris Campbell, and Zach Moss. Drake was the number four running back in eight games with Arizona. And people are very high on him, but you must be quite high on Kenyon Drake. Yeah, I love Kenyon Drake. I actually had an incident with my computer that caused me to lose my projections about a week ago, which is awesome because that's, like I said,
Starting point is 00:05:07 months worth of work. But my rankings are saved and they're based on the projections. So the end results are still there. And anyway, as I've been rebuilding, the one player I was surprised to see drop a bit in my rankings is Drake. I have been really high on him all summer, like I said, but he's still the RB9 for any PPR format, 11th player overall, so a little bit higher than ADP, but just maybe not quite as enamored as I have been throughout the offseason. I think definitely part of that has to be with the ADP that just keeps rising. But as far as Drake, the player, he's easy to fall in love with. He was, like you said, RB4, RB3 in some formats after being acquired by arizona last week he went off in the fantasy playoffs when people needed most i think he had like over 300 rushing yards and six touchdowns
Starting point is 00:05:49 in 15 and 16 um and that that backfield was money for fantasy uh players all all year long and i think we'll probably get to chase edmunds later when we talk about some handcuffs but uh from weeks 1 through 16 whether it's dj or Edmunds or Drake, they combined for 319 fantasy points, which would have been the RB2 in fantasy. So there's a ton of reasons for liking Drake. He's in a contract year returning to that role in which he was highly successful last year. Passing volume should be there. That trio combined for 79 targets on 388 routes run in the weeks they started, which would have ranked fifth among running backs.
Starting point is 00:06:27 So I totally get why people are into Drake. I really do like him a lot. The thing that has caused me to be a little bit more skeptical of him over the last few weeks as I've kind of redone these projections is just kind of revisiting the stats from my sheet. The backfield numbers in fantasy were really inflated by some unsustainable touchdown production.
Starting point is 00:06:46 So that trio combined scored 16 touchdowns in the games they started, which just isn't going to happen again. I mean, they did combine to rank 11th in red zone carries and ninth in carries from within the 10 yard line, which is solid, but that's just not the type of role that's going to yield one touchdown per game like it did last year, especially in a middle of the pack offense, like Arizona.
Starting point is 00:07:09 So the pros are there, high snap rate um heavy ball in the passing game and i think that does give them a safer floor than somebody like derrick henry or josh jacobs or nick chubb whose snap rates are going to be a little bit more dependent on playing positive game scripts but um the fact that and i think you might get to this, their lead back only averaged 18 touches per game last year. So if the touchdowns aren't there, I worry that he might not have access to the type of ceiling that somebody like Joe Mixon or Miles Sanders, who I know you guys all love, have. He is someone I've been ecstatic to grab anytime I get him in the second round. But if his ADP continues to climb, if it rises any higher than like 11th or 12th, I think he might actually end up being a little overhyped. But like I said, Chase Edmonds in the 10th or 11th round, I'm all about that life. So love Drake. Just am a little bit worried as ADP continues to climb.
Starting point is 00:08:00 You know, it's so interesting, Dave, when Drake was going on his run, David Johnson was getting three, four carries a game. Chase Edmonds got two carries in the last five games of the season. Do was only one game where the backup running backs in Arizona had more than six carries with the starter getting everything else. And one thing that I go back to on Drake, and maybe this is just me throwing a cold bucket of water over Jacob's head, is that he had just over 40% of his total production in Arizona in two games. That's touchdowns and yards. Just a huge amount of numbers in two big games. But in those other six games,
Starting point is 00:08:49 he still averaged around 80 total yards per game. Does that mean he's got a non-PPR floor of eight points and maybe a PPR floor of 11 points? I know that's not what you're hoping for when you're drafting somebody with a top 15 pick, but I'm really comfortable with that floor, and he might even be better than that floor-wise. He might be good for 9 or 10 per week, not PPR.
Starting point is 00:09:11 12 to 14 per week, PPR. And I think this offense could take off. I think they can run more plays than they did last year. I think they'll be more creative in the red zone. I think DeAndre Hopkins coming aboard helps in every single facet, passing and rushing. It might open things up just a little bit more for Kenyon Drake, who I think has a big role this year again. All right, let's go to the next guy on Jacob's list, and that is Robert Woods.
Starting point is 00:09:38 Obviously, two touchdowns last year. That stands out. 90 catches, 1,134 yards. That was in 15 games. He's on pace for 1,210 yards and 96 catches. And remember the Azerstat I screwed up a few shows ago. His last seven games, he was on pace for 181 targets. Not his last eight games. That's incredible. Seven games, 181 targets. He just got peppered.
Starting point is 00:10:00 All right. So I see Robert Woods. I think maybe once we get to the end of round three, beginning of round four, anytime 36 or later, that's when I think we start looking at Robert Woods. What about you? Yeah, I think everything you just laid out there showcases what a high floor Robert Woods has. And you can also add to that that he gets extra rushing production that most people, most receivers just don't get.
Starting point is 00:10:24 So those are just kind of extra bonus points. I think about 20 fantasy points average over the last two years as a rusher. But I think Robert Woods, for some reason, has, I don't know, I think it's maybe just been the bad luck on touchdowns or the lack of a role in the red zone. He's been classified as a low ceiling receiver, which is why he continues to be drafted below some of these other receivers that are really excited, really easy to get excited about. But I think that there actually may be a case for Robert Woods having a sneaky high ceiling this year. And this is all speculative, of course.
Starting point is 00:11:00 But if I can take just a minute to try to interpret the tea leaves here a little bit in la i actually i'd be really interested to hear what you guys think because i think everybody knows robert woods is undervalued but no one really talks about what his ceiling is um so the last time the rams had an offensive coordinator on staff was in 2017 they were in 14th in run to pass ratio when in the red zone that year um but in 18 and 19 mcveigh went without an offensive coordinator in those seasons they just really leaned heavily on Gurley and the offensive line went in the red zone. They were the fourth highest rate run-to-pass ratio in the red zone during that time.
Starting point is 00:11:33 So LA hired 35-year-old Kevin O'Connell as their offensive coordinator this summer. And his background is really as a passing specialist. And McVeigh has mentioned that the team has to change its approach after it is 20-2019. And I thinkay has mentioned that the team has to change its approach after it is 20-2019. And I think most expect that to manifest itself in more 12 personnel. We saw down the stretch and more two tight ends on the field. And I think that definitely will be part of the changes. But I think LA could also be more pass heavy in 2020, especially when in the red
Starting point is 00:12:00 zone. So I mean, when McVay is discussed as higher, he almost always mentions the positive influence he expects O'Connell to have on Goff specifically. And I think there's a chance that after moving on from Gurley as the offensive centerpiece and making some changes to the coaching staff, LA could return to at least a more neutral approach when in the red zone, not be in the bottom, you know, four or five teams. So even if that doesn't come to fruition even without a change in offensive philosophy woods targeting touchdown ratio over the past two seasons was the worst in the nfl so like that already suggests that some positive regression was coming for him this season uh he's one of just eight players to be targeted at least 130 times over the past two years um
Starting point is 00:12:42 but he has just eight touchdowns during that time. The other seven players on that list averaged 14.4 touchdowns. So I don't think you should expect double-digit touchdowns from Woods, but I think seven or eight is totally realistic. And as opposed to years in the past where he was golf's fourth or fifth option when they were in scoring distance, I think he could realistically be the second or third option in 2020. And if they're throwing more often and he is more involved,
Starting point is 00:13:08 I think seven or eight is totally realistic. And if he had eight touchdowns last year instead of two, he would have tied DeAndre Hopkins for the wire zero five spot. And that's also with below average efficiency from Goff, which is bringing down Woods' catch rate in yards per catch. So I think if Goff bounces back and if the team is more passive in the red zone, I think Woods actually could have a lot higher ceiling than people are giving him credit for.
Starting point is 00:13:30 But I'm really curious what you guys think about that. Ben? Yeah, I pretty much agree. You laid it out really well. I mean, I think the two touchdowns last year has been talked about a lot, and I don't see any reason why he can't have seven or eight touchdown upside. And once you start talking about that, you pretty clearly see a profile of a guy who can be a top 10 receiver.
Starting point is 00:13:53 So it's not, you know, I agree. Yeah. I think it's, you know, we talk about it for golf too. This seems so intent on getting Todd Gurley rushing touchdowns even last year. He's double-digit touchdowns every year. I think it bodes well for the passing game. Hopefully more touchdowns go around. No Brandon Cooks.
Starting point is 00:14:14 Robert Woods, you love the safety there. I'm going to just get two more guys here. One of them is Amari Cooper. He's been... I don't know if it's controversial but there's been a lot of disagreement about him on this show. And I want
Starting point is 00:14:29 to know if you, because one thing that I've looked at, the cornerback matchup seemed terrible for him. And you're higher on Amari Cooper than consensus but I want to know if that is something that you looked at. You know I just get his matchups
Starting point is 00:14:45 lined up, but I think it's right out of the gate. It's like Jalen Ramsey. Anyway, I'll get it up. Mari Cooper, why are you higher on him and did you consider the cornerback matchups? And it's Jalen Ramsey in week one. And yeah, there's some tough ones there because they brought in the Eagles
Starting point is 00:15:01 of Darius Slay and the Giants now have James Bradbury and he faces Patrick Peterson. He faces the Steelers. He faces the Ravens, the 49ers. Did that factor in at all for you? I think it's worth considering, but especially in what's going to be a really crazy NFL season, I am prioritizing players with upside because I think our already low ability to feel confident predicting what's going to happen is even lower. And I think Amar Cooper is one of the few receivers that's being drafted outside of the top four or five,
Starting point is 00:15:35 that tier that maybe ends with Godwin or Julio, depending on what you think. I think he's one of the few that has the ability to finish as like a top three receiver in terms of ceiling. And so, yeah, it doesn't feel good to be higher than consensus on Amari Cooper, especially with the cornerback matchups like we laid out. I mean, he's super inconsistent. But I think there are a lot of reasons to believe that 2020 could be a huge year for Dallas passing game and Amari specifically. And one of the first ones that I think gets me excited about his potential and also could help him avoid some of these matchups. And you guys have talked about it. It's just the potential that he could run an increased amount of routes from the slot.
Starting point is 00:16:15 I assume you guys are probably expecting CeeDee Lamb to run most routes from the slot. Do you have any read on that right now or do you think i i would bank on both of them taking turns playing in the slot and ultimately uh dallas decoding what defenses are doing to line up against them like if they see in in week one that jalen ramsey is sticking to cooper like glue they'll probably either i'm not going to say with certainty that they're going to keep cooper outside because they might think that it's better to put Ramsey in the slot and make him uncomfortable there because he doesn't play there a lot. I don't know if you can make Jalen Ramsey feel uncomfortable,
Starting point is 00:16:50 but I would think that that would open their eyes to throwing more to Gallop and Lamb and just kind of using Cooper as a decoy, which doesn't sound great for fantasy, but I think it's going to be a week by week, case by case basis by week. That's what I think we're going to be a week by week case by case basis by week that's what i think we're going to see from dallas okay anything else you want to add or yeah so i just i think that if he does get that slot rate that um gives him a huge boost for fantasy for fantasy he averaged uh 2.74 yards per outwind since becoming a cowboy when running around from the slot which is much
Starting point is 00:17:23 higher than his 2.14 from the perimeter. It's the second best mark in the NFL from the slot during that time. And also the fact that he has Mike McCarthy now, I think that's going to increase the passing volume as a whole, especially since they kept killing more. But also McCarthy has always featured his top weapon from the slot. Part of that has been Randall Cobb has been a slot specialist and one of the best during the early 2010s.
Starting point is 00:17:46 But even when Cobb was out, Jordy Nelson or Devonta Adams in 2016 and 18, we always saw them get moved to the slot as well. So I just think if he is playing a lot more routes, running a lot more routes from the slot and the team is also more pass heavy, particularly in the red zone, which is somewhere McCarthy's always been near the top of the league. Of course, that's influenced by Aaron Rodgers,
Starting point is 00:18:07 and Dallas has been near the bottom of the league, which is influenced by Zeke. But if it balances out a little bit more, which I'm projecting it, I think Amari has the upside to be somebody that is going to finish in that top three receiver spot, and people aren't drafting him that way. But the downside is a little bit scary, too, especially with the cornerback matchups. All right.
Starting point is 00:18:26 Well, the other three that you had were McLaurin, Paris Campbell, and Zach Moss. I do want to skip back. I guess we have so much to do in the show today. Perhaps they'll come up sort of organically throughout the show. We have to obviously talk about Dave winning poker the other night.
Starting point is 00:18:40 It was a great night for him. He's very proud of it. He made sure that I brought it up. So good job. Thank you. I'm wearing my Andrew Nimi favorable shirt to celebrate today. That's great. I have no idea what that is. I am the champion, my friends. You don't know who Andrew Nimi is? Everybody
Starting point is 00:18:55 knows who Andrew Nimi is. Tell them, Ben. Someone else who doesn't know who Andrew Nimi is. I feel so much better when other people don't know. I came in second. Gretch came in third. Do you at least know who Brad Owen is? Oh, yeah. Yeah, there we go.
Starting point is 00:19:11 Okay, I'm not going to ask any more questions. Brad Owen, of course. Yeah, you're Brad Owen. And you know what? You and Brad both love cats. It's perfect. We go way back being Brad Owen. Dave had a sneaky trivia question that I don't know the answer to.
Starting point is 00:19:24 Go for it. Okay. So who are the top two running backs, minimum 100 carries, in pro football focuses elusive metrics? So it's a combination of missed tackles, broken tackles, both on runs and catches. Here's a hint. They are both played in the same division.
Starting point is 00:19:46 And here's another hint. The division is in the same division. And here's another hint. The division is in the AFC. I know one of them. Oh, well, then you should be able to guess the other one. Yeah, who's the first one? So I can check. Josh Jacobs was number one. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:00 And it actually, it put me over the top to move him up. Philip Lindsay is number two. No, Austin Eckler. It's Eckler. Yeah, it's Eckler, of course. Incorrect. That is incorrect. It's Damian Williams. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:20:13 I couldn't believe it. That's what the website said. Damian Williams was second in elusive rating. I don't think that necessarily means a whole lot since they spent the first round pick on Edwards-Hilaire. And we've talked a lot about CEH versus Damian all week long. So I'm not going to do it again, but I thought that was interesting that Damian Williams was up there.
Starting point is 00:20:31 And the fact that Josh Jacobs, if he's as elusive as that stat says, and I watched the film, he was breaking tackles and juking dudes like crazy. He's awesome. With, with Henry rugs, pushing those safeties back.
Starting point is 00:20:43 There's there and a good offensive line, I had to give Josh Jacobs more credit. So he has moved up for me. To where? In non-PPR, he's a first-round pick for me. I will take him in non-PPR. You know me. I'm always going to take running backs over receivers early.
Starting point is 00:20:59 I've got him eighth. In full PPR? I haven't projected, I believe, for the third most rushing yards in the nfl this yeah i've got him 18th in full ppr 18th overall not rb18 oh no way right well you think i'm trying to lose my leagues here adam no i'm just clarifying uh round one i will take josh jacobs in round one in non-ppr half ppr full ppr give me them in round two. I was already taking them in round two in PPR, so this isn't big breaking news there.
Starting point is 00:21:27 I thought I was saying stay away from Jacobs. Is there any justification for taking Nick Chubb ahead of Josh Jacobs? I can't say so at this point. Is there any justification for it? Yeah, what would be the justification? A lot of the splits between Chubb and Hunt were, I think, more touchdown-related than people realize.
Starting point is 00:21:52 He did lose some receiving, but people point out his PPR scoring was way worse when Hunt was active, but his touchdowns also fell off. I think he scored six of his eight touchdowns in the eight games before Hunt came. That's a fact. That's exactly right. And then two in the eight games after. I don't expect him to still only score in the eight games before Hunt came. That's a fact. That's exactly right. And then two in the eight games after.
Starting point is 00:22:05 I don't expect him to still only score two per eight games or a four-touchdown pace for a season. I expect that he has double-digit touchdown potential pretty easily. I think they're really similar. I actually project Chubb to see a few more targets as well overall, like four. But I have Chubb as a very efficient runner as well, and he's one of the two people i
Starting point is 00:22:25 have projected for more rushing yards than jacobs so for me like my projections chubb comes out higher than jacobs with a very similar line across the board but higher than him in both scoring systems okay it's interesting and by the way chubb was third in that pro football focus that's pretty good interesting decisions people have to make between jacobs and chubb this year and i just think that having kareem hunt healthy and i think that's gonna make the choice for people that they're gonna go with jacobs not that jacobs is gonna be every single touch for for vegas but he's got to share too but i don't think it'll be as much as as chubb will with hunt my only thing on jacobs is you're using a second round pick or first round if it's standard to place a bet on the Raiders.
Starting point is 00:23:08 And that's just not something I'm super comfortable doing unless they change his receiving role. But nothing they've done this offseason indicates that they will. And he had, I mean, his snap rate dropped from 64% to 50% in losses last year. And his touches came down from 24 per game to 16. And I just, I don't know. I actually have him projected ahead of Chubb. And he's obviously awesome as a rusher, but I am worried about the volume.
Starting point is 00:23:35 And I don't know if LA will be playing with as many leads as they were last year. Okay. Vegas. Yeah, put money in the jar. There it is uh right now nick chubb is going two spots ahead of josh jacobs goes chubb then eckler than jacobs there might be a wider team there too the the team point that jacob just made i think is a good one because part of the reason i have chubb higher is i'm projecting cleveland to be better this year i think they're a sneaky team and I've said that,
Starting point is 00:24:07 and they have a much better offensive line. So I have the Raiders. I have the Browns have a better offensive line than last year. And they did last year. Yeah. They had, you're not comparing two teams. No,
Starting point is 00:24:19 no, no, no. Okay. Okay. Yes. Yeah. They just upgraded both tackle spots in their offensive line is very good.
Starting point is 00:24:25 And I think their team is going to be a lot better because of that. And so I have Chubb projected for a lot more touchdowns. Like two more touchdowns. Okay. I'm going to give a little love to the Raiders. I think Gruden's done a better job than I thought he would. Last year, I thought they really... He was my coach of the year candidate.
Starting point is 00:24:41 Midway through, they kind of fell apart. But I don't think they're total trash. They've had a lot of early draft picks that maybe on defense could kind of develop. They're going to finish in second place in the division. Wow! Bold prediction. Wow. Which I don't think is that bold. I think
Starting point is 00:24:57 all three teams after the Chiefs were projected for the same amount of wins by William Hill Schrager. Is that right? Remember that? We did the projections. Yeah, that was correct. Yeah, so not that bold, but I'll take it even though I don't really believe it, but I'm riding the momentum of what I'm saying right now. Promoting a few
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Starting point is 00:26:29 Let's go football team. Or will the champion football team football team the Washington fans have some choices to make as the Washington football team will take the field for the 2020 season. This is their temporary placeholder name, the Washington football team.
Starting point is 00:26:49 Very good, like generic Madden jerseys as well. Have fun with it. Yeah, I'm not ripping them. They're trying to do the right thing. They are, but we're just going to tease a little bit because their team name is the Washington football team. The decision to go away from the team name is the Washington football team. The decision to go away from the old name is absolutely correct,
Starting point is 00:27:13 but they've pulled their teeth for a half a decade or actually a lot more than that, but especially the last four or five years. It's been like every year we've talked about it. And then they finally are doing away with the name, but just pick a new name. Don't be a Washington football team for a whole season and use generic unis. It's ridiculous. I almost feel like it's a troll job, honestly. They're doing it just to
Starting point is 00:27:32 kind of get back at people for making them change the name. Should the Seahawks sue them and be like, hey, we're the Washington football team? By the way, Gretchen... There's two places that both are called Washington.
Starting point is 00:27:43 That's funny. Yeah, right. People don't know that. There's a district and a state. Gretch, you get a haircut? My wife cut my hair. Looks good. She did a good job.
Starting point is 00:27:54 Yeah. Nice job. Last week, she cut it. Yeah. Mrs. Gretch, all right. Mike Zimmer signed a contract extension, and Antonio Brown is no longer retiring. In fact, he is demanding the NFL to complete their
Starting point is 00:28:05 investigation so he can find out when he's eligible. I've always sort of agreed with that. It does seem like NFL investigations are endless. But I have no sympathy for Antonio Brown. Okay. Let's read an email. Email of the day number one
Starting point is 00:28:21 is from John in a city in Rhode Island not named Providence. Oh. It's not a big state. Hard to come up with another name. I don't know if I've got one off the top of my head. Is it Family Guy in Providence? Like what's the city called there?
Starting point is 00:28:40 They're in Quahog. Quahog. Yeah. There we go. Are they in? They're not in Massachusetts? Oh, they're in Rhode Island. You're right. They're in Quahog. There we go. Are they in... They're not in Massachusetts? Oh, they're in Rhode Island. You're right. They're in Quahog, Rhode Island. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:50 Deer. Polk, Mahone, Slim Charles, and Cheese. No? And Jacob, no? No idea. This is apparently the wire. Wire. Oh, man. I should have got that. Alright, so this email
Starting point is 00:29:04 from John in Quahog. Every year I look into Breeze and Big Ben's home road splits to see how they line up to possibly pair them together. And this year it's looking spicy. Breeze, his ADP is roughly 84. Roethlisberger is roughly 130. Draft them both and this is what you're looking at. And he gives us the player that you could play every week.
Starting point is 00:29:26 I won't go through it all. But for those of you who don't know, Drew Brees, his points per game in six-point-per-passing touchdown leagues at home the last five years, four of those five years, it's been 27.4 fantasy points or more. He's just unstoppable at home. And three of the last five years, it's been 18.6 or less on the road.
Starting point is 00:29:48 So if you just commit to playing Drew Brees only at home games and looking for other options on the road, if you choose Ben Roethlisberger, there are only four weeks where you'd have to play a matchup against a team that was top 15 in Fantasy
Starting point is 00:30:04 Points of Ladder quarterbacks last year. There'll be only four times when you're forced to start one of these players on the road. The playoff matchups don't look great. That's the only problem. Week 14, it's either Breeze at the Eagles or Ben at the Bills.
Starting point is 00:30:20 Week 15, Breeze is home against the Chiefs. Week 16, Roethlisberger is home against the Colts. So you do get home games from Breeze and Roethlisberger. Week 14 is tough. But home against the Chiefs. Week 16, Roethlisberger's home against the Colts. So you do get home games from Brees and Roethlisberger. Week 14's tough. But that's an interesting one. Roethlisberger might be the best answer. I looked at other possibilities.
Starting point is 00:30:34 You know, I think Daniel Jones really might be a good one to pair with Brees. His first two matchups aren't great. Bears and Rams on the road. But then, these are just when Bears and Rams on the road. But then, these are just when Breeze is on the road. Redskins, Bucks, Redskins, Bengals, Seahawks, Cardinals. So, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:54 I have some in Mayfield, Tyrod Taylor, Daniel Jones, Aaron Rodgers, Jared Goff. Those are the five quarterbacks I found that had the best matchups to pair with Breeze. But I think Roethlisberger might be the winner. So, any merit to this, Dave Richard? I think it makes sense. I don't think it would hurt you to give it a shot. I mean, at the very least, everybody feels good
Starting point is 00:31:13 starting Drew Breeze when he's at home. And most people who play fantasy, they'll deal with Drew Breeze when he's on the road, because sometimes he can be pretty good on the road. And just the idea of adding another quarterback to go with him and to play the matchups based on where Drew Brees is, I think Roethlisberger's a great quarterback to pair with
Starting point is 00:31:29 anybody just because he's a great cheap quarterback on draft day that could end up finishing as a top 10 option. There are photos circulating on the Twittersphere showing Roethlisberger losing a lot of weight. He looks kind of svelte. I like it. Nice. Yeah. I like
Starting point is 00:31:46 it. So again, the names I gave were Mayfield. Like if you went with Mayfield and you just cared about the start of your season. Well, no, he's not a great example. Tyrod Taylor maybe. Depending on how you feel about the Chiefs defense, it would be a home game for the Chargers.
Starting point is 00:32:02 Chiefs, Bucks, Jets, Jaguars, Raiders. Those would be the first five matchups for Taylor while Drew Brees is on the road. Of course, that stretches into week nine. I don't know if Taylor is still going to be the quarterback at that point. Aaron Rodgers. You play Brees at home and the three
Starting point is 00:32:17 times you have to sit him, the first three times, Rodgers has Detroit, Atlanta, and Tampa Bay. You could consider that. So it was interesting. Last year, it was Lamar Jackson who had these great matchups. It didn't matter what the matchups were for Jackson, it turned out. But here's a question, a follow-up for Jacob.
Starting point is 00:32:36 Do you think that Drew Brees will be as dominant at home without any fans? Do you think that will have any impact? Yeah, that was something I was thinking about. I mean, he's still playing on the but I don't know. I don't know if that's... I hate things like that that aren't quantifiable.
Starting point is 00:32:54 I was thinking as you were laying out this strategy anyway that unless this is a deep league where you have lots of bench spots, I wouldn't want to employ this type of strategy just because I don't like keeping two quarterbacks on my team, especially if one of them is so independable like Breeze. So I would probably just be looking to stream on the road splits.
Starting point is 00:33:10 I really don't know. I don't have an answer for the home road switch with the new-looking NFL. It's going to be crazy. Ben always laughs at me when I bring it up. He just thinks I'm stupid, I think. The crowd is quiet when they have the ball.
Starting point is 00:33:25 Yeah, but it's the energy. There's energy. They feed off of it. All right. I don't think it would have a big impact, but I don't know. There's no way to quantify that. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:33:35 It might have an impact on the other team that's coming to visit and doesn't have to deal with the crowd when they're on offense. I'm almost positive. He's so good in primetime home games. I brought that up. While he's so good at home in general, I'm pretty sure he's
Starting point is 00:33:50 even better in primetime home games. Why is that, Ben? I think it's because of the energy. I mean, maybe. Why would that be any different than... It's primetime. It's night. They're fired up. What you're suggesting is the New Orleans fans, great fans, all of our great loyal listeners in New Orleans, don't actually get excited for games that aren't primetime. It's night. They're fired up. So what you're suggesting is the New Orleans fans, great fans,
Starting point is 00:34:05 all of our great loyal listeners in New Orleans, don't actually get excited for games that are on primetime. Oh, they do, but they get extra excited for primetime. Let me ask you a question. I think he just knows he's on primetime. That might be true also. He's got the spotlight on him.
Starting point is 00:34:17 Yeah, that might be true also. But let me ask you this. Washington's got their 11-0, and they got the Apple Cup, their last game, right? That's what it's called, right? Against Washington State? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:30 And they say to you, okay, fans, you get to choose. Day game or night game? What are you going to choose? You're going to be there, Ben, for this big game. They're number two in the country. I mean, you need to be there.
Starting point is 00:34:40 I don't understand what your point is, but I always like going to day college football games. I always love going to day college football games and would probably pick the day games. Oh, that's so weak, man. Night games are the best. There is nothing like a night college football game. All right. Let's get to another email.
Starting point is 00:34:56 Email of the day number two is from Colin in Canada. Hey, guys, you're the best in the business. I should have read this before I went on my whole nighttime fans rant. We're no longer the best in the business. Well, he said guys, not you have the best in the business. I should have read this before I went on my whole nighttime fans rant. We're no longer the best in the business. Well, he said guys, not you have the best host in the business. While watching your July 23rd show, it dawned on me, if they made a movie about CBS fantasy football today, who would play who?
Starting point is 00:35:17 Here's my casting. Heath would be played by Nick Cage, rocking a deep V-neck. Heath is just letting the V-neck hang out, like letting Chester hang out on YouTube. Adam, I think Jesse Eisenberg would be a good one to play you. No, Jesse's got to play Jamie. It's the role he was literally born to play.
Starting point is 00:35:41 I think this might kill Jamie, but I think Jesse and I have more in common than he and Jamie. Oh, my God. I think Jesse would be a better fit for me. You going to text him? Immediately. Jacob, you may not know Jesse Eisenberg and Jamie Eisenberg are, I think they're first cousins.
Starting point is 00:35:57 Oh, really? Yeah. They're first cousins. They're like brothers. I think I have more in common with Jesse Eisenberg. Ben, Channing Tatum would play you. I mean, I'll take it. Oh, they're definitely talking about me. Oh, that's right.
Starting point is 00:36:15 I bet, I bet. They always get the Ben's confused. All right, let's go. Who am I? Peter Griffin? George Clooney is Jamie. And to me, Dave is the hardest, but I'd say either Russell Crowe or Jack Black.
Starting point is 00:36:28 Can you go any farther on the spectrum there? Russell Crowe or Jack Black? I'll take Jack Black. You should have stopped at Russell Crowe. Yeah, Jack Black would be fun. He'd be a good Dave Richard for sure. All right, thank you for the email. And we got to talk about handcuffs.
Starting point is 00:36:44 Let me read one more question here. This is a debate inspired by Teddy. One of our listeners, is it okay to sit a DST? If you already have a lead going into Monday night football, he won his league last year. He was losing by three going into Monday night football. His opponent could have sat the DST,
Starting point is 00:37:02 but didn't play the DST. The DST scored negative three points. Or like, yeah, he was down by like 2.8 points. His DST scored negative three and this guy won. I said it's ridiculous to even be able to do that. You should have to play a DST no matter what. What do you guys think? Should you be able to sit a DST going into Monday Night Football?
Starting point is 00:37:22 What do you mean you should have to play a DST? Like, why? Oh, you should have to play a legal lineup. You should have to play something that can't help you do any better than you've already done, but could potentially make you lose. Yes, because it's not fair.
Starting point is 00:37:35 Because the other guy, the other girl, the other player in this matchup could have had a DST that scored negative points, but their DST played on Sunday. They don't get this luxury. That's just the schedule. I think it's cheap to take a player out of your lineup.
Starting point is 00:37:50 But should it be illegal? There's no arguing that it's cheap. Terrible azer take. No, I don't know. Just explain someone who lost their championship because they didn't take the DST out of their lineup. That's an action that they, as a manager of a team, did not do and it cost them the championship.
Starting point is 00:38:07 And you're saying that they shouldn't be allowed to do that? Correct. They shouldn't be allowed to help your team? All it is is this. You have to feel the legal lineup and start a legal lineup every week. That's all it is. Gibbs, what do you think? I agree with Ben.
Starting point is 00:38:21 I'm not going to lie. Come on, Gibbs. Dave, you agree too? Yeah. Look, I think it's cheap, but I don't think it should necessarily be illegal. Shraggy B? Oh, I totally agree.
Starting point is 00:38:33 I think you should definitely be able to do it. One thing you have to keep in mind, though, if it's like a one-point lead, those stat corrections on Thursday morning could get you. So I'd love to do it 2.8-point lead. I'm sitting the DST. Yeah, I don't know. I just don't agree that you should be able to
Starting point is 00:38:49 sit any player. I think you start a lineup. That is really interesting that all four of you I thought everybody would agree with me. Because you know why, Dave? We don't play any leagues where you can do that. You usually think everyone would agree with your territory. No, are you kidding? I never expect that. We don't play in any leagues that are like that. So I'm surprised that you would agree. No, are you kidding? I never expect that. We don't play in any leagues that are like that,
Starting point is 00:39:06 so I'm surprised that you would agree. No, we just have classy competitors. And it might have happened in one of the leagues that we're in, and we just don't know it. Ben, let me ask you this. You're playing in a points league for baseball. Jacob Gibbs, you play fantasy baseball, right? Yep.
Starting point is 00:39:23 All right, all three of you play fantasy baseball. You're playing in a points league. You're up by two points going into Sunday night baseball. Last game of the week. You've got a hitter left. Do you really think you should be able to bench that hitter? Cause he could score negative points by striking out. You really think you should be able to bench that hitter?
Starting point is 00:39:41 Yeah. I don't know. If you have daily lineup transactions, why can't you bench? Yeah. You've won the matchup. It's the end of the week. You've got to put a player
Starting point is 00:39:49 in that lineup spot. That made your argument worse. I mean, you know what? I think it kind of did. We're going to take a break. I've got to regroup and talk about handcuffs
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Starting point is 00:40:47 Visit amex.ca slash business platinum. Guest of honor, Jacob Gibbs. Are you a handcuffer? Do you draft your starting running backs back up? I do not handcuff. I think it's a low upside strategy. So I'm planning to get first. Anybody else?
Starting point is 00:41:03 Anybody want to weigh in on that? Do you handcuff? I am this year. Hashtag COVID-19. Yeah, that's a good point. Ben? Sam? Yeah, I guess a little of both. I almost never do on the same vein as what Jacob just said,
Starting point is 00:41:22 but then this year you kind of have to consider it, I think. And I have done it a little bit. In the case of Saquon Barkley, I don't know if it's really worth it because I think his backup is going to end up being Deion Lewis and he'll probably end up sharing with Wayne Gallman if, for some terrible reason, Saquon misses games. And that's not really going to help you.
Starting point is 00:41:43 But there are a lot of other running backs who are real-life backups to really good starters, and they're pretty good too. And I imagine that we're about to talk about them all. The obvious handcuffs that people will take are Alexander Madison, Tony Pollard, Latavius Murray, Chase Edmonds. I think Edmonds deserves it, yeah. So those are the big four.
Starting point is 00:42:08 Darrington Evans. Am I missing anyone? Absolutely in this tier. Yeah, Darrington Evans. How about Gio with Joe Mixon? Because he's been pretty good when Joe Mixon's been out. I completely agree. Two years ago, I mean, Mixon played 16 games last year, but two years ago, Bernard had 14 and 20
Starting point is 00:42:23 non-PPR points, 19 and 24 ppr points in two games without mixing i love geo i i've struggled with him because i took him late in some earlier drafts but um travion williams and and geo's getting a little older i'm a little concerned that it might be a split if mixing misses time right but we don't know if that would be the case or not and i liked travion coming out. He was one of my favorite running backs that year. But we'll see. I think if I'm drafting Joe Mixon and I want to have that backup plan,
Starting point is 00:42:54 I don't think Geo is a bad choice for those people who draft Mixon. Plus, you can literally do it with your last pick unless you draft with Heath Cummings. If you draft with Heath, he'll take Geo before you get the chance. But most people aren't targeting giovanni bernard on draft day and so you could literally take a dst before taking geo would you guys count zach moss or not because he kind of already has a role yeah i mean him and kareem hunt come to mind as well but we're probably not counting kareem hunt i assume right they're they're kind of expensive handcuffs. Well, Moss is not. Like, diamond studded.
Starting point is 00:43:28 Like, Philip Lindsay and Zach Moss are going in the 10th round. And considering that they will have a role, and you might be able to play them as a flex if you need it, like in a bye week or something, and that if Melvin Gordon gets hurt
Starting point is 00:43:43 or Devin Singletary gets hurt, there's a pretty big upside. I think the 10th round feels pretty good for Lindsey and Moss, and I would go so far as to say that if you own Singletary or Gordon, that you probably really should be looking at Lindsey and Moss in the 10th round. We haven't named probably the best one, and he's also expensive. But I think J.K. Dobbins is probably the highest upside pure handcuff. He'll play, and he could get the Gus Edwards role.
Starting point is 00:44:15 But I think the reason to draft him is if Mark Ingram misses time, the upside, you're probably not thinking of him as a flex like he might be some of the other guys that Adam just mentioned. He's so expensive, but he's 68th overall. I don't don't know for me the handcuff is more of a late round pick okay right i mean you're pretty right dobbins isn't that yeah not anymore no i'll give you one more chris carson and carlos hyde yeah that's a good one okay what about if you have McCaffrey? Then you don't need to get Mike Davis or Reggie Bonifone. I mean, they're not going to be anywhere near as good. So here's the issue I have with this discussion when people poo-poo handcuffs.
Starting point is 00:44:56 If one of those running backs gets hurt, who's going to be the number one player on waivers? Who's going to be the player that people spend 60% of their FAB budget on? This is a very highly sought-after player a lot of times. It doesn't always work out, but this player becomes a must-own. So, Jacob, I'll throw
Starting point is 00:45:15 that to you since you don't like doing it. A lot of people don't. What's your response to that? For Carolina specifically? No. No, because I can understand. We don't know who it's going to be. We don't know if it's going to be a great situation. But if you draft Ezekiel Elliott, why wouldn't you take Tony Pollard? You know if Zeke gets
Starting point is 00:45:31 hurt, everybody's going to want Pollard. He's going to be 100% owned by Wednesday. Yeah, I guess the one that might not get drafted has the potential to play a three-down role. Ben mentioned him already. He's Darrington Evans. It depends on how deep your league is. He's getting drafted in a lot of leagues.
Starting point is 00:45:48 But yeah, that's probably my answer. I think we've already hit on a lot of the other ones. But you just don't want to waste the roster spot on Pollard because you just think as long as Zeke's healthy, it's just taking up space. Well, if you guys like handcuffing, you would actually hate drafting me because I go out of my way to draft the
Starting point is 00:46:05 Pollards and Chase Edmonds because I think they do have the upside to be a difference maker if the starter gets hurt. So I'd get those guys even if I don't have the starter on their team because I think they have more upside than the other running backs that are going in that draft range. But then I think
Starting point is 00:46:21 I feel like you do handcuff then. Well, I don't handcuff because I don't have a starter. I just take those guys because they have the upside and a lot of the other backs don't. You're buying the lottery ticket. But if you did have the starter, you would take those guys? Because you take them anyway. He said it's a low upside strategy
Starting point is 00:46:37 because if you're picking Ezekiel Elliott, you're already committing a ton of your draft capital and your overall team for this one roster into Ezekiel Elliott being good. you're probably not going to win maybe you have tony pollard to fill it in but if ezekiel elliott gets hurt you know you're going to have some drop off with pollard and it's probably not going to work out perfectly where you're still going to be as good as you could be if you have elliott and you take darrington evans and derrick henry gets hurt now you have elliott and darrington gotcha so you you're saying, Jacob, you're less likely to take Tony Pollard
Starting point is 00:47:07 if you have Zeke? Yeah. Okay, I get you. Yeah, and I go the opposite direction. I want to improve my investment in Ezekiel Elliott because I'm doing what Ben already said. I'm putting in this huge amount of draft capital into the Dallas Cowboys run game,
Starting point is 00:47:24 and I know that the guy directly behind Ezekiel Elliott, the one who would get Ezekiel Elliott's workload if Zeke were to miss time, is a pretty good player too. Is he going to be exactly as good as Ezekiel Elliott? No, but he could be 80% of them. So I am absolutely targeting Tony Pollard. I'm going to prioritize Tony Pollard if I draft Eekiel Elliott. I'm doing the exact same thing with Dalvin Cook and Alexander Madison, especially if Dalvin Cook is threatening to hold out and might not be there for the start of training camp, and I'm drafting before the start of training camp or in the early days of training camp.
Starting point is 00:47:56 I don't know why I would be because that would be a waste of time, but Madison would absolutely be a high priority for me. But it is kind of, you know, I don't want to say a low upside strategy. It's an insurance policy, right? But you're using two picks for one spot. And it doesn't always even work out that way because one of the issues with handcuffing
Starting point is 00:48:14 is the guy that we're identifying preseason isn't always the one who's ready. I mean, Madison's a great example. Last year, he was hurt when Cook went down and we had Mike Boone as the waiver waiver wire pickup um but what but what if what if madison had stayed healthy like he could have won you your fantasy championship there's a lot of examples of that and it's not it's not um like if you look at it from a broader perspective i've seen studies on it like it's it's typically not the person that we expect in the preseason or
Starting point is 00:48:42 not maybe not typically but it's a it's often enough that it's a problem uh and then the big thing is like what i was just laying out like dave's dave's doing an insurance policy it makes sense but he's using two roster spots for one potential starter the other example that jacob is describing is potentially two starters right like those two roster spots could become two starters if it's not you're running back but someone else is running back who gets hurt, which is why it's a high ceiling situation, right? You can wind up having a lot of really good players on your team. But if you do Jacob's situation and Zeke gets hurt
Starting point is 00:49:14 and Derek Henry doesn't, then I don't know. Yeah, it's high variance. And you have zero good players. First or last, yeah. Right, and maybe the philosophy behind that is, well, if my first round pick goes down, my chances of winning the league aren't very good anyway but i think you're safeguarding it by doing the insurance policy it really just depends on the running back and whether or not they're good like i like the panthers example is a perfect one like mike davis
Starting point is 00:49:40 might not even be 50 of christian mccarey. And that's if he's the guy. So let me go through the top 15 to 20 running backs and you tell me who you would handcuff and if you would handcuff that player, who's the backup? Christian McCaffrey. No. I would take Bonifant, but I'm not handcuffing McCaffrey. I took him in the Scott Fishbowls 24-round draft and I didn't take Bonifant.
Starting point is 00:50:06 Yeah. Saquon Barkley. It's Gallman as the handcuff, and I don't think I'm taking him in a regular 12-team, 15-round draft. I have Deion Lewis as the number two here, but I wouldn't take him either. Yeah, I mean, I feel like they'd split like last year. This is my point kind of on why handcuffing is not a bad idea if you can do it.
Starting point is 00:50:31 Wayne Gallman started one game. He might have started two, got hurt super early, but that one game, he had 63 yards and a touchdown on the ground. He had 55 yards and a touchdown in the air. He had a two-touchdown game. He was a weak winner. Then he got hurt. The Giants have Deion Lewis, so it's kind of messy now.
Starting point is 00:50:47 Wait, was that your argument for why he was worth the pick? I mean, I would not have done it. He had that debate during the season last year. Yeah, because ultimately, he just went and got hurt himself. My point would be that's not a guarantee. It's not a guarantee that Barkley missed multiple games that you're going to get multiple games of gallman
Starting point is 00:51:08 playing at a barclay level you did get one yeah and he got hurt right okay was that worth the 20 percent of fab that you spent what's up what am i supposed to say like i'm not going to take a handcuff because my handcuff could get hurt no no that's what kind of philosophy is that it doesn't make any sense the philosophy is you take a running back on a different team. My point is you used two roster spots to lock down the Giants backfield. I didn't. You didn't even lock it down. I didn't lock it.
Starting point is 00:51:33 Okay, both guys got hurt. There's not much I can do about that, but I didn't take Wayne Gallman. I was just saying Wayne Gallman stepped in and won you a week. Latavius Murray had two of the best weeks. No one's saying that running back step in can't be good. Not just good. At the end of yesterday's show. Look at Latavius Murray. Look what Latavius Murray did last year in the
Starting point is 00:51:51 two games he started. He had over 30 PPR fantasy points in both games, I think. This is not a point that I'm arguing. Right. So that's what I'm saying. That's why it helps to have the handcuff. It just saves you so much trouble and waiver space or waiver moves.
Starting point is 00:52:07 Back to the exercise here so we can read our Apple podcast questions. Zeke is Tony Pollard. Kamara is Latavius. Dalvin Cook is Madison. Derek Henry is Darrington Evans. Joe Mixon, you heard us talk about that. Maybe it's Gio. Do you think about handcuffing Miles Sanders? I think if he goes down, they're
Starting point is 00:52:23 probably going to sign someone. I mean, I like Boston Scott anyways, a late round option, especially in PPR formats, and I think he could be more involved. Obviously, if Sanders goes down, I don't think he would be a three down back. Do you guys? I don't know if he would be, but I have Boston Scott
Starting point is 00:52:40 as one of my favorite late round running backs right now. Right, because he's got some good PPR standalone value. And then if he does get any kind of uptick in the rushing role if there is an injury in front of him that's where the monster upside comes from as a guy who already has the pass catching role and then earns the rushing side i mean that's been true of it was true of devonta freeman back way back whenever when when tevin coleman got hurt it was true of david uh david johnson before his breakout season. There's a million examples.
Starting point is 00:53:08 I don't know why those are the only two that popped into my head right away. Miles Sanders. Miles Sanders last year, late last year. He had 30-point upside right away. I mean, it's always Austin Eckler. All right, we're never going to finish here. Kenyon Drake is Chase Edmonds. Aaron Jones, A.J. Dillon.
Starting point is 00:53:25 I think it's A.J. Dillon, although I talked to Jamal Williams' trainer, and he's saying that Jamal Williams is in great shape and learning to be a better pass catcher and going to vie for a spot in the slot in Green Bay's offense. I think Dillon is still the one I would take and then battle for Jamal Williams off the waiver wire if it came to that. Nick Chubb, not really,
Starting point is 00:53:46 because Kareem Hunt's too expensive. Austin Eckler, if you had Austin Eckler and you wanted a handcuff, who would you take the shot on? Joshua Kelly. Perfect example of why you wouldn't handcuff, in my opinion. I'm leaning more towards Justin Jackson now
Starting point is 00:53:59 because of the rookie stuff we've been talking about. That's one situation where I'm going to side with the guy who's been on the team. Josh Jacobs. That one's a mess. I think it's Richard and he's certainly the one who has that passing role, so he would see
Starting point is 00:54:17 an expanded role, but I don't know if he's particularly great as a rusher. He'd probably see an uptick. They never give him work. Well, they might have to if there's no Josh Jacobs. Well, Jacobs missed three games last year, and I'm looking at... Well, they had DeAndre Washington.
Starting point is 00:54:34 Yeah, I mean, maybe, but they have never shown the willingness to give. I think he has one game in his career with 10 carries. That sounds right. So, something like that. Well, let me look at their depth chart real quick because I'm blanking on who's going to win. This whole exercise is just erroneous. I just want that on the record.
Starting point is 00:54:49 No, it's not. This whole exercise, we're trying to be precise about something that the whole point is is imprecise. Is that not fantasy football? Is that not sports in general? They have Devontae Booker. They've got Rod Smith and Lynn Bowden on top of Jalen Richard. It would be ugly if Josh Jacobs went down.
Starting point is 00:55:10 They'd have a bunch of pass-catching running backs. Might be good for Derek Carr. Bowden's a fun guy to target, though. All right, that's going to get enough targets. Here we go. Apple podcast questions from Josh. I'm wondering how many players that are drafted first in their position finish first in their position that same year?
Starting point is 00:55:31 That's rare. McCaffrey did it. Just now. Just recently. He was like third last year. He was third last year. Barkley was one. I think receivers do it fairly occasionally.
Starting point is 00:55:44 Antonio Brown's definitely done it. Quarterbacks, rarely. Drew Brees did it back-to-back years, and I don't even think he was the number one quarterback. Kelsey. Kelsey is the man. Yes. Pass catchers are...
Starting point is 00:55:58 And Gronk. Gronk was that guy once upon a time. Maybe that's the position. I think Gurley in 2018 was the number one pick and he finished in non-PPR as the number one running back. And I think he finished points per game
Starting point is 00:56:14 number one in PPR, but he was behind McCaffrey and Barkley. But no, look, it doesn't happen that often. It happens more commonly at the pass catching positions, for sure. Wide receiver and tight end. Who is the one player that's going first at his position
Starting point is 00:56:31 that you're most concerned about not finishing first? What's the quarterback ADP? Is it still Mahomes over Lamar Jackson? I'll tell you in a second. They're practically tied. It's Kelsey, McCaffrey, and Michael Thomas, and Mahomes. Oh, my gosh. Their ADP is almost identical, Mahomes and Jackson.
Starting point is 00:56:51 Jackson would be the one that I would be worried about. This is a really interesting year for this because McCaffrey won RBs by... We're saying how often does the number one player repeat, but part of why McCaffrey wasn't the number one last year is him and Saquon were really close the year before last year mcafree dominated the running back production uh by like 100 ppr points michael thomas dominated wide receivers lamar jackson dominated quarterbacks it was a
Starting point is 00:57:16 weird year where the number one in every position was way ahead so maybe this year we're like it's hard to see michael thomas not doing it's hard to see Michael Thomas not doing it's hard to see Christian McCaffrey not doing it Again when they were that far ahead last year So make my case for Thomas Michael Thomas Jacob. I actually had the Vontade Strength ahead of him. So I would take him out of Thomas. Yeah Yeah, I think it kind of took a perfect storm for Thomas to get where he did last year. I expect Kamara to be a lot more involved in the red zone this year. They brought in Emmanuel Sanders,
Starting point is 00:57:46 so I don't think it'll have a huge impact, but he is there. And I think that perfect storm situation we saw for Thomas last year is what we're seeing for Devonta Adams this year. Touchdown aggression is definitely coming. I think he could run more routes from the slot. He's actually led the NFL in fantasy points
Starting point is 00:58:01 per target from the slot over the last two years, I think. So yeah, I think it's definitely a case to be made, whereas at the other positions, it's tougher. Our next question from Justin in Atlanta. I was curious if Tariq Cohen and Chase Edmonds are underrated in your opinions. I looked up the seasons Foles played the most, 2013 and 15, and in the games he started, he targeted running backs 5.3 times per game in 2013 and 9.63 times per game in 2015. Also, Kenyon Drake hasn't had a significant workload since high school, but Chase Edmonds isn't considered one of the high-end backups. Well, he is for us, for sure.
Starting point is 00:58:38 So I think we agree that Edmonds is underrated. Is Tariq Cohen underrated? Yes. And that's the immobile quarterback slash scrambling quarterback who throws that running backs more thing he noted full stoves was running back a ton cohen had one of the quietest 79 to catch seasons for a running back you'll ever see because he was very inefficient but they're going to keep using him in that role like they don't have anyone else david montgomery's not good sorry okay next question david montgomery could be good if his offensive line was a lot better. Fair.
Starting point is 00:59:06 But it's not there. And Cohen played half the snaps last year. All right, next question. I'm in a 12-team PPR Superflex Dynasty League. I'm set at quarterback. I have Josh Allen, Carson Wentz, Baker Mayfield. I have Mike Evans, Eckler, Diggs, and Kittle. So pretty good team, Superflex, PPR Dynasty.
Starting point is 00:59:26 He traded my 2021 first round pick, three second rounders, a 2023 third round pick, LaVisca Chenault and Cole Komet, got A.J. Brown, Alan Lazard, and Darius Geis. Traded away Chenault and got Brown. Oh, no. Yeah, but he also traded away a first-round pick, three second-rounders,
Starting point is 00:59:50 and then a third-round pick in 2023. And Cole Komet. Basically for AJ Brown plus Lazard and Darius Geis. He's got the best player who could help him win now. And he gave up a bunch of question marks to do it. Easy win. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:00:05 And this is from Paris. Hey, Cecilia, Nick, Robbie, and Jessica. I don't know. That's not going to be there. 12-team, 1QB PPR Dynasty League. Who wins this trade? Kyler Murray, Kareem Hunt, Robert Woods, and 1.4. Kyler Murray, Kareem Hunt, Robert Woods, and 1.4. Kyler Murray, Kareem Hunt, Robert Woods, and 1.04.
Starting point is 01:00:29 That's a lot. Wow. For Daniel Jones, Mark Ingram, and Amari Cooper. What? The Kyler Murray side. Big time, the Kyler Murray side. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:45 Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. The Calabari side. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah, the Calabari side. Okay. That was easy. Hey, Jacob, thanks for coming on, man. Yeah, thanks for having me, man. It was a lot of fun.
Starting point is 01:00:56 Sorry to cause a little disruption there with the handcuffing, but it's not a good way to go. We like handcuffing. It's a decision everybody's going to have to j.a gibbs underscore 23 new girl adam what oh man new girl i love that show how did i not get that what were the names oh cc the hell calls her cecilia i would have gotten if you had said cc get out of here, Paris. Tricky little trickster. What was it? J.A. Gibbs underscore 23, right? Yeah. Still got the underscore in there. Sorry.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Michael Jordan fan? It was my number back when I played basketball. Michael Jordan stole it from him. Wow. That's impressive. Okay. That's this week of Fantasy Football today. Thanks so much for tuning in, everybody. Enjoy your weekend.
Starting point is 01:01:47 Wednesday, or Monday. Monday we're back, not Wednesday. Rankings, disputes. See you later. Go in your league.

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