Fantasy Football Today - Heath vs. Dan; Favorite Late-Round Picks (05/21 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

Putting the finishing touches on the dynasty debacle, Heath and Dan get to state their case and you get to decide who is right! Perhaps we learn something about roster sizes during drafts? We definitely learn something about checking your messages ... The guys give their favorite late-round picks starting with Heath's list which includes Rachaad White (23:00), Xavier Worthy (23:50), Mark Andrews (30:45) and Tre Tucker (36:05). Within the Worthy discussion, we wonder if both he and Travis Kelce are good late-round picks? ... Dave's list (40:40) features Kelce, Isaiah Likely and two running backs (43:50) looking to carve out a role in their respective backfields. Jamey's list (47:05) features the reigning NFL MVP, a tight end who is seemingly always underappreciated and more ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Today we are going to talk about late round picks, some of our favorite late round picks, basically pick 100 or later, and there will be some wide receivers on this list. Let me just give you a quick note about late round wide receivers. Over the past six seasons, there have been 36 wide receivers drafted in round nine or later. That's 97th overall or later that have finished either top 24 overall or top 24 per game. That's six per year over the last six seasons.

So you can get a lot of value there. And in the first five seasons of that stretch, 2020 to 2024, there were at least two rookies. every year that finished top 24 overall or per game. There was zero last year. So kind of feeling there might be zero this year, but unless Casey Concepcion falls there, well, we will see. Anyway, before we do that,

we have a segment called Diabolical Dan's Deliriously Delusional Dynasty Defense. Welcome, Diabolical Dan. Oh, you really set that up to give me a chance here. Yeah, you're definitely playing from behind. But Dave, are you ready? for this showdown between Dan and Heath. Ladies and gentlemen, fantasy football fanatics around the world,

weird bagel sandwich eaters. Today, we are going to witness the most anticipated showdown in the history of fantasy football. Are you ready? For the hundreds watching live on YouTube and the hundreds of thousands

watching and listening later on when convenient for you, Let's get ready to fumble! That was awesome. I love it. All right. Heath, welcome to the show. Hey,

thanks. Dan. When we left off, the whole fantasy community had turned against Dan for a shocker. Calling him calling it collusion for not

for not freeing up enough roster spots, not seeing the message on the message board. Dan's having a little trouble with his emails and not being ready for the dynasty draft. So using a workaround of trading players with each pick with another manager who didn't have enough roster spots.

And it got a little hairy, got a little controversial. Dan, what do you have to say for yourself? All right. Well, let's just start from the beginning here. Okay? Beginning here is, it's the weekend. We start the dynasty draft on the weekend.

I'm away this past weekend. No, he did it. We started on Friday. Friday, but my first pick was made on the weekend. Okay. Okay. Okay. Or my first pick was, no, I was able to make my first pick, okay?

So by the time it gets to my second round pick, where the issue starts, it's Saturday. It's Saturday in the middle of the day. I'm at Lighthouse Links. I'm on a golf trip with friends. And I realize when I'm trying to click my player, Emmett Johnson, to make my pick of Emmett Johnson in round two, who was by far and away top player on my board, all offseason on Beyond the Box score, I have said he was my RB2 going into the draft before the draft,

and he was clearly my best player overall at that point. It says you can't make this pick. So I text Heath. I've been here before, a few years ago back. It's not new ground to me, which is definitely not pro for my case, but three years ago this happened, I said Heath's happening, what can I do here?

And so he gives me some options. And so I take one of the options. I go nuts on the message word, hey, anyone trade me, I'll give you whatever, just let me make my pick. I just want to make my frickin' pick in a dynasty league. It seems like an important thing to do that everybody who has their picks gets to make their picks, as my opinion, at least. It seems like probably the most important thing to do.

Anyway, I'm texting the league. I'll trade you, whatever. I finally find someone who's willing to trade down with me. I have to give up my pick in round two. I lose out on Emmett Johnson, and I get another player. I'm able to make my pick. I get nothing out of this. I just get to move down because I didn't see the message in time to get my

roster down. So anyway, I make the trade. I lose Emmett Johnson. I don't say a word about this. I don't say a beep. I don't complain. I'm dealing with it. It's fine. Then it's getting to the next round and somebody from the league and this is the truth. I'm not going to say his name. Text me and says, I got an idea. I think if you trade players, they don't make you force it. Like you can get over the roster limit if you trade players. So, okay, I accepted because to me, I thought, and this is where I was wrong. I thought Heath agreed to me until this week, I was way wrong about this. I thought Heath agreed with me that it was stupid that on CBS you can't cut players before you draft them. Because on every other app that I draft Dynasty on, you can cut players

before you draft them. Jamie discussed this yesterday before we were on the show. Every other Dynasty I've ever played, you don't have to be in this really tight spot where you can't cut a player wants to draft a start for some reason. The roster's on full lock, which now I know Heath likes and Heath wants. And I just didn't know Heath wanted that because from the like the, the, the I had with Heath, it sounded like he kind of agreed, oh, this is a stupid spot right now. And you can do this and this to try to get out of it. So I was wrong about that. Heath likes that rule, apparently.

To me, it's one of the dumbest rules in the history of fantasy football and dynasty football. NFL teams don't cut rosters down to September. Every other time is the league I plan doesn't cut rosters down. So for this league to have the strict rule where if somebody misses this deadline, where the draft hits start and the commissioner hits start on deadline, if somebody misses that deadline, you're going to lead to a situation where they don't get to make their draft picks in a dynasty league. Now, in my mind, that's the worst case scenario. Obviously, that's not the worst case scenario in Heath's mind. He's mine, the worst case scenario is somebody doing these tradebacks or whatever work around to try to make their rookie draft picks.

To me, those two things don't equate. One, compromises the competitiveness of the league, people having to forfeit draft picks. The other is somebody gets two extra days to make releases. Like, what did I gain? What didn't mean the other manager who proposed this idea to me gained by this? we had an extra 48 hours before we could cut our players. Because to me, you should just be able to cut the player, then make the pick. Or you expand the roster three spots.

And then everybody makes the pick like the NFL and you cut down at a later date. Because that's what every other dynasty that I plan is. So that's where I stand. Where I stand is just, look, I made a mistake. No, let me finish. I made a mistake. Come on. Take accountability for it.

I have a lot to say. You guys have been spewing on me all week and I haven't been awarded. I made a mistake by not. It's a mistake. But like, I'll tell you this. I went into my account details on CBS Sports and tried to change my email to power ment, tried to do everything I can. I can't get these emails.

I search my inbox, no emails from Dynasty. On my account page, on alerts, the place you're supposed to go, it says that right now I'm supposed to be getting emails for messages. It says checked off email. I don't see the emails. I search. I can't get them. They're nowhere to be found.

So this same thing is going to keep repeating itself for me unless I imagine, but it won't because now after the season, I'm just got a mass cut a thousand players. I don't even care. No, stop. Yeah, I am. No, you're not. I want to make my draft picks in a rookie dynasty league. I would say the worst case scenario is two teams having to forfeit their draft picks in a rookie dynasty league forfeited picks for doing nothing wrong.

Like, what is that? That's a horrible scenario. We want to play in a league where people are forfeiting picks because the rosters weren't expanded or because the app won't let you cut a player before you draft them, even though every other app will. Like, come on. What are we doing here? I don't get it. Okay. Okay.

Opening statement from dad, yeah. Opening monologue. Heath, Dan, we play in a league that has rules. Those rules have to be guarded by men with commissioner powers. Who's going to do it? You? Lieutenant Costanza? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom.

You weep for lost fourth round picks. You curse roster limits. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know that lost picks while tragic probably saved the league. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves leagues. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me as commish. You need me as commish. We use words like roster limits, collusion,

league notifications. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very league that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a commissioner title and stand the post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to. Was that?

We can't handle the truth. Is that that that one? No. That was a few good men, I assume. You assume? Isn't that the one that you can't handle the truth? Yeah, I was waiting for you can't handle the rules or something like. You can't handle the rules.

No, that was from that. I've never seen it. I figured it out. You've never seen it? I've never seen it. Even I've seen a few good men. You know I've never seen it. We've done this before.

That was terrific. That was terrific. Of course, to watch Rocky, but you can't watch it. Listen, Dan, you've had this email issue for several years. You've done nothing. I can't fix it. I tried my hardest to fix it yesterday. I won't be getting email.

Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan. Dan, how many years have you played Dynasty leagues? On CBS or in overall? Ever, ever. Probably at this point, four, five years. Only four or five years? Maybe longer. I don't know.

Okay. Let's just say five years. When do rookie drafts happen? Different for every league. Majority of them for the leagues you play in. I would say the majority of them happen around this time. Okay. So shouldn't you be checking to see when the drafts are happening?

Yeah, I should be checking to see when the drafts are happening. Like I said, I take full accountability for that. I screwed up. I didn't know when this draft was happening. I did not hear. I apologize. I wouldn't have been as harsh to Dan if I had heard during the, opening 35 minute monologue,

I take full responsibility because this entire thing starts there. Of course. I shouldn't know when the draft was going to start. All this is true. Even though I'm not getting notifications, I should have found a way to know.

And I don't, even though I'm not getting these emails and I don't know how I ever will, which is another problem for another day. I'll email IT and try to get on it at. I'm like, I don't have a million other things to do. He'll fix it for you in five seconds. But let me fire to figure out the IT issue

with this point being like I don't expect and I don't and it's not heath's job to handhold me. Heath can't be expected to individually text each member like, hey, the draft's going to start at this time, make sure your rosters are down. I don't expect that. But I do stand by that. I think it's a ridiculous rule to have these roster limitations going into Dynasty League. As I mentioned, not any of my other dynasty leagues besides the two that I play in that Heath runs. I don't even know if he runs yellow.

He does. He doesn't know with the commissioner. He could be somebody else. Honestly. besides the two that heather on, I don't have this problem because this is not an actual rule in any of those other leads. You can either make the cut at the time of the draft because the app allows you to or a couple other leagues I plan.

They expand the rosters like the NFL teams do. I mean, the NFL teams aren't cutting down until September. Why are we cutting down in May? It makes no sense to me. I agree. Are you proposing a rule change? Yes, of course I'm proposing a rule change. I don't want anyone else ever in this again.

I proposed it on the message board and we'll see what happens. He said he's strongly opposed to it and he would need a massive overwhelming majority, which is fine. It's East Lee. I don't care. I'm not asking he's to bow to my existence. If the majority doesn't want it, that's fine. If they're not overwhelming, that's fine as well.

But my point is, like, yes, I'm going to propose this rule change because this is ridiculous comment from pop. So it was the weekend, Pop. It was the weekend, Pop. It was the weekend, Pop. I'm not allowed to go on a golf trip on the weekend with Saturday Sunday in Maryland. Like, let me have my fun. I'm Saturday in middle afternoon and I see. can't make a draft pick.

My point is, I got to wrap it up here. Last thing is, the rule changes. No, you don't. No, you don't. Yes, I do. The rule changes for one reason and one reason and all.

I don't want to be in a position and I would hope he doesn't, but I don't know where this happens again, where two teams are techs are not able to make their draft picks in a rookie dynasty league. To me, that's the worst case scenario. I thought we were playing for fun. I didn't think we want a technicality two teams out of making their picks and try to really go hard on that and like really get an edge for whoever else is in this league. And look, it's our fault, me and the other guy.

or not doing it. I get it. But like, is this what we want a world we want to live in where people are forfeiting draft picks in round two? It just doesn't feel good to me, but maybe others are good with that. No, I think, look, I think there's a lot of leagues where if I weren't getting my email notifications, I would miss things too, including the draft date. So I actually don't really blame you for that. I don't blame Heath either. It was an unfortunate situation. There is an easy way. We can get your email situation fixed. And I think we should stop blaming the app. It's the rule that Heath wanted. Heath's the commissioner. That's fine. No, I agree. But the other app do let you cut the players of the draft.

I'm just saying. All right. But question for Heath. We had an email from Alexander and he wants to know. If I only have one first round rookie pick, I must have at least one open roster spot in order to make the pick. What happens if I decide to trade back my 110 for 202 and 210? Is this forbidden because I can't drop players during the draft? Yeah.

You know, I think it's really fantastic that Alexander in like, 45 words made a better point than Dan has made in two weeks. And this is something that caused me to pause that, like, yeah, I think that that part of it is something that I need to think about. It would, like, I do think you kind of just need. I usually go into the rookie draft with one more roster spot than I need. But if you're only most dynasty leagues I'm in, that last guy on your, like, the guy's Dan's trying to trade right now, aren't guys that he cared if he cut or cut or not. He knows that he's not going to cut them.

So when you make that trade, just trade the 110 and the one extra player for those two picks. But that team may not have the roster space for it. That's kind of the point Alexander's email. And I think it goes beyond just that one individual example. Like there's going to be plenty of times where you don't know going into a draft class based on trades that you may make, how many roster spots you actually need and how many you don't need. That's kind of the point of the expanded rosters or the ability to cut players at the time of

the draft. So you can actually make the decisions live in time if you get a trade offer like that or if anything comes and you're like, I see the board now. I don't really actually need this pick or actually I want five picks because there are five players I like. They're still on the board. You should have that flexibility to know that. You shouldn't be locked into. I have a certain amount of guys I can draft or God forbid I have to scramble in the league and try to trade away players and trade four players. That just doesn't seem good. Just to be clear, I do add two extra roster spots. That's the only reason you were able to make a pick in the draft. So I do add two extra.

That doesn't change the fact that we're talking about not having a lot of roster spots. It answers Alexander's question. You'd actually have a couple extra roster spots for a move like that. Do we? Because is it just because we don't have the taxi squad, though? Right. So we don't really have the roster spots.

You just have to take people off the taxi squad and put them in the roster spots. People automatically go off taxi squad. Like everybody has an illegal roster as soon as a league year rolls over. I think the point, though, of what Alexander is asking because there's 50,000 examples we can come to offshoot from it is like, like why do we want to be locked into a certain amount of roster spots when the draft supposed to be a fluid thing? Mostly because I can't get you to drop players when there's a severe consequence for dropping

players. What's the concept? So if I, losing draft picks, which you just did. So if I did it in June or July, I'd have to text you six times to get you to make your drops. You probably have to text me one time and now make them right there. Like, just like everybody else. You're talking to Dan or Jamie right now.

Yeah. Just text us one time and like then we'll make drops. But like that doesn't impact the draft. and the ability to want a fluid draft. I hold that point is like. I made my case. I think other people agree with it. I've talked to a lot of people offline who agree.

It's a bad rule. That's all I'll say. Dan's approval rating is much higher off. Much higher offline. A lot of people think your rule stinks, Heath. That's all I'm going to say. Now, it's still my fault for what happens. I agree with that.

We can live with that. A lot of people think your rule stinks. Right? Like Dan's accepting responsibility. Maybe Heath can reconsider the rule. There's this, you know, there are some issues that could arise from it, something to think about. I am only cutting this conversation off because we have to take a commercial break.

Mike says Dan would tell you he doesn't get texts. But here's the thing about Dan. There are a lot of group chats I don't check. Yes, that's exactly my point. Like, Dan, you just have to be a little bit more responsible with communication because you sent me screenshots of your phone. You have like 140 text messages that you haven't read. Look at your phone right now. How many unread text messages do you have?

This is a problem. What are you supposed to do about these group messages? chat you two 10 you 200 10 yeah it's all group chats though like this is all from one or two group chats that I have on mute because I don't have time to follow every some of these people just texting and nonstop you have you have to do a better job I love you so much yeah me too they're all group chats like I read all the individuals all my indies are clicked off but the group chats are in trouble all right you got a better job group chat is kind of like an email

that's sent the it is but I wish I got the email and for at least the group chat I get All right. We got to take a break. Good night. We need to write a sitcom about your life. Good night. Yeah. We'll talk about our favorite late round picks when we come back on fantasy football today.

Wow. I'm trying to think about what my favorite line is. Where do you go? He's got he was only coming on for that. Oh, I was trying to think what my favorite line is we started to draft on the weekend. No, we didn't. I don't have time to do my messages after I'm on a golf trip. I think that.

Here's the tax messages for me. The 210 text messages insane. I actually, of all the crazy things that were said, I think he could convince me, just me, that Friday is actually the weekend. Friday at 8 a.m. I can get there. I can get there.

Friday's the weekend. All right, news and notes. Clint Kubiak, new coach of the Raiders. He called Brock Bowers a football robot from heaven. He also said that Fernando Mendoza has been as advertised. Have you guys seen the video of the robot dancing to Billy Jean and falling? No, it's really... Oh, I think I have.

Not a few good men. Yeah, exactly. If a few good men were on Twitter, I would have seen it. But there's this robot trying to do the Billy Gene dance and try to go up the steps and fall. It is so funny. Anyway, Quinn Sean Judkins is participating in team drills. Aaron Rogers said this will be his last season, although I think he said that last year, too. And all signs indicate that the Giants offense is going to be very run heavy.

John Harbaal was asked about to say, if you can't run the ball, you know, what are you going to do? You have to run the ball. And then Jackson Dart acknowledged it as well. So another thing to think about when you're thinking about Malik neighbors. We'll talk about Isaiah likely a little bit later. We do have a lot of other podcasts that you can enjoy in the CBS Sports Network, including Beyond the Box Score, including FFT Dynasty. If you want to get ready for the World Cup, you can watch the Thunder flop, or you can listen to the Call It What You Want, You know, I'm taking a shot at the Oklahoma City Thunder for disgracing the game of basketball by falling on the floor 70 times a game.

But anyway, go to CBSports.com slash podcasts and look at all of our podcasts. We have, I think, three soccer podcasts. We have a lot of really good podcasts for you. All right, favorite late round picks. We are, you know, let's just say a round pick 100 or later. And Heath, Dave and Jamie each gave us four. Heath, you were not on yesterday's show with the mid-round pick. So I'll let you start with your late round picks.

Rashad White of the Washington commanders is on your list. And I just want to say right at the start that Dave sent his list in first, and his list is better than mine. And I would have put several of the names that Dave put on his list on my list. But yes, it's funny. I looked at two different lists when we were trying to decide this. And one of them had Bill in round 11. One of them had Rashad White in round 11.

I think either of them after the first 10 rounds. is a fantastic pick. I expect White to have the past game roll locked up, and there's probably a lot of targets available behind Terry McClore in this offense. Some of them could go to Antonio Williams, some of them can go to Chigaconquo. Somebody might talk about those guys later, but I think Rashad White will definitely take care of the running back targets and has an opportunity as well to work on early downs. He'll be there two-minute drill guy. He could be a good flex in PPR, and he may just prove to be the best rusher, or the guys guy they trust more on early downs as well and be a fantastic value here.

I think he's a good value here in his current role, though. Okay. Rashad White. Xavier Worthy. Now I'm going to throw Xavier Worthy in with a guy that Dave has on his list, which is Travis Kelsey. Kelsey was a top six tight end per game with Patrick Mahomes. Worthy was pretty much a non-factor last year. He played eight games with Mahomes, Rice, Kelsey, and Worthy, all playing.

Those eight games, Worthy had a 16. point two percent target share. Kelsey was about 20.2 percent, I believe, and Rice was something like 28 percent. But here's a question. Heath and then Dave and then Jamie. Can Xavier Worthy and Travis Kelsey both be good, assuming Rishi Rice is, you know, Rishie Rice, or do you think there's only room for one of them to be good, Heath? If Rishie Rice is a 30 percent target share guy and plays 17 games, I think it's really

difficult for both Xavier Worthy and Travis Kelsey to be good, but I don't know that they have to be good to be values in round 11 or later. They're both just really cheap. We've heard a lot of the chiefs talking this off season about how Worthy's lack of involvement was due to the fact that he wasn't really ever healthy after he got truck stick by his own teammate in week one. And so I think there's opportunity there. And when I was talking about Rashi Rice and why, and I think Jamie too, Like, everything went so great for him this offseason until about a week ago. Everything went so great for Xavier Worthy. They didn't bring in anybody that I think is going to compete with him for targets either.

And if Rice is not 100% because he's trying to rehab in a jail, then or if Rice is suspended or if Rice does something else wrong and Worthy has a chance to be a smash value. But I think even if Rice plays 17 games, Worthy will be better than a round 11 value. I feel the same way about Kelsey. Tell me if you think this is good. A tight end that gets at least 10 PPR points in 62.5% of his games. Is that good? Is that okay?

How do you rate that? How do you gauge that? Solid. Solid is a great way to put it. Not a guy that I'm going to go to the waiver wire much for. Just going to leave them in my roster. Sure. That's what Kelsey did last year in full games with Mahomes and Rice.

It's an eight-game sample, but that's what he did. And there were a couple of games. This two best games of the year came with both Mahomes and Rice on the field. I know that that's not what you expect when you hear the name, Travis Kelsey, when you hear that name, if you've been playing fantasy for more than a year, you're thinking about a guy that can help you win your week every week. And now he just can't do that. But he's also not getting drafted with a top 30 pick.

Now it's like pick 100 when Travis Kelsey comes off the board. So I don't mind, and Adam, I know you've been doing this in our early drafts. I don't mind waiting on Kelsey assuming I don't get a good value at Tide-end within the first five rounds. I'll just go to greater late, and Kelsey will be somebody that I target late. This is the first time since 2014, if the data is accurate, because it's obviously a bunch of different sites. But first time since 2014 that he will not be a top five pick at Tiden. Oh, wow. Yeah, he won't be.

that's amazing um yeah just just goes to show his staying power and obviously how great he's been i think the there's a couple things here that you know you look out with the two well more than a couple but you know a couple that haven't been mentioned um obviously you got to see what's happening with with rice in regards to both these guys i think kelsey probably just goes up uh incrementally if rice isn't there worthy takes a huge leap obviously if rice isn't there you know you wonder if there's still a player out there that we know of that has ties to the chiefs do they consider bringing in Tyree Kill if this goes the way that it could for Rice, either with injury or potential suspension, just to have somebody there that has some familiarity with the team. Mahomes,

and where is he? You know, what's the status of his knee and is he the same guy? You know, is he better because, you know, of, you know, just having to, you know, change some things this offseason. His numbers, I know, I know obviously it was, you know, and he's obviously Ston's Prime, but, you know, peak Mahomes from a statistical standpoint, his numbers were at his best when Eric Biennesty was on the offensive staff. And so now you have the enemy back, you know, how much does that, you know, factor in as well. So there's a lot of moving parts, I think, with the Chiefs right now. I think just given the fact of where you can get these two players in particular,

like we talk about lottery tickets. And again, most drafts aren't happening now. So you'll know what Rashi Rice is standing is and where he's coming into the season. But my God, best ball drafts, like Xavier Worthy is a smash pick. it's funny Dave is bringing up some ADP in our private chat saying in CBS ADP it's going Kelsey Worthy Mahomes but all these guys are late round picks whereas last year I think they were all going in round five or six and Rishie Rice was actually going after them he was facing a six game suspension and now obviously Rice is going first and all three Mahomes Mahomes who was you know he's coming off at torn ACL but he was a top five quarterback with three number three quarterback something like that per game and then and then and then and And then Kelsey, top six per game with Mahomes and Worthy, had kind of a lost season because of the injury. But they're all late picks now, as of right now.

I want to show you just one thing with Kelsey. You know, we talk a lot about his age. He's 37 in October. Two years ago, the efficiency was really bad. Last year, he had a nice bounce back. He's not great anymore. But take a look. If you're watching YouTube, the target percentage, that's target per route run.

And I'll highlight it for you. Target per out run rate last year for Kelsey was 18.8%. It's a huge, huge decline. Two previous years, 23.5%. 18.8% target per out run rate. And then I'm going to add one other thing here that doesn't get talked about a lot with Kelsey. Maybe it does, but it's touchdowns. And watch his target share, his target per out run rate in the green zone.

And look at how much it's collapsed. 13.5% last year, 18.8%. the year before. So Travis Kelsey used to get routinely a quarter of the green zone target or get targeted on a quarter of his routes in the green zone. Now it's not even close. And yet he still is among the league. Last year he led all tight ends and goal to go route runs.

Rout run. But he just doesn't get targeted there anymore. It's really weird. If we can get back to that, maybe you can get us eight touchdowns or something like that. But kind of a strange trend for Kelsey that, that Holmes just does not look for him in the end zone, nearly as much as it used to. Okay.

Back to Heath's list. We had, why don't we stick with a tight end here? We'll save Tucker for last. Let's go to Mark Andrews. Mark Andrews is on this list for you, and how do you compare Andrews and Kelsey? I think they're very similar. Kelsey is definitely ahead of Andrews,

if we don't think Rashi Rice is 100% going into the year or he's not going to be available for 100% of the games. If Rice is, then I think they're both kind of borderline top 12 tight ends. I expect Andrews to benefit from the departure of Isaiah likely. I'm not super optimistic that either of the rookie wide receivers the Ravens drafted are going to have a huge share of the targets. Andrews should have a bigger share than he did last year. and I think that they it's quite likely that they throw likely. It's just a little bit more than they did last year because the pass rate was so incredibly low and they just changed offensive coordinators.

So I think we could see an increase in targets for Andrews and he's always a guy that's a threat to score double-digit touchdowns, even if the targets are low. So somebody I'm happy to settle for at tight end after round 10. Kelsey or Andrews? He said it depends on Rishi Rice. I see. I miss that. Yeah, I would take Kelsey still over Andrews, but I think Andrews is, he's so interesting because, like, you know, they, they dropped a big receiver in Jacoby Lane, you know, and can he go out and be a red zone threat and maybe take some touchdowns away from Andrews?

But Andrews, you know, just looking at it, like, obviously, you know, I like looking at intangible. So Declan Doyle is related to Mike Dicka. He's a tight-ins coach in Denver. And he has, you know, I forget where he was prior to this. Oh, Ben Johnson. He was on Ben Johnson's dad. Ben Johnson at Boston College. So, you know, obviously coming from a system that may favor Tiden,

and we may be talking about Ben Johnson's tree in the same light that we talk about Kevin Stefanski's tree. You know, so there's a good bounce back situation here for Andrews who, you know, prior to last year was consistent with his fantasy production. Obviously, it was kind of weird how he did it, you know, 2023 or excuse, 24, so touchdown dependent. So it's a lot, it's a lot to like based on his value because, you know, you could see different, you know, moving parts for this offense just because it's a change, changing head coach, change the coordinator. But obviously we know that Lamar Jackson likes him. And it was so surprising that in December that they gave him the

three-year extension when they knew likely was up to be a free agent. Like, I think we all thought, okay, Andrews walks, they resign likely, and they build around the younger player, and here they go sticking with the veteran. So I don't know how much of that was Lamar Jackson, how much of that was just management, you know, wanting to keep Andrews around, how much they still think that Andrews has to offer. But obviously things worked out pretty well for him this offseason too. And they changed coaches after that, which was all the more interesting. I got confused with Doyle with another offensive coordinator who worked with Ben Johnson once upon a time.

But yeah, Doyle was with Ben Johnson last year. Doyle is a Sean Payton disciple. I've been doing a bunch of research on the new play callers across the league. And definitely was a tight ends coach, definitely has a track record of leaning into his tight ends. We've already talked about the lack of other decent tight ends in Baltimore. What's stopping Mark Andrews from going back to being second on the team in targets? And I agree with Heath that there should be a slight uptick in past attempts from Baltimore moving forward. I mean, it's one thing to be second on the team in targets, but if they're going to be last in the NFL, they might have a slight uptick.

but they still might be, you know, they're basically 30th or lower in pass attempts every year except for one of Lamar Jackson's career. I might be slightly off on that, but they're super run heavy every year. They don't throw a lot. And I have his stats up, Mark Andrews. I want you to look at the end zone target column.

I'll highlight it here. He's the opposite of Kelsey. Sorry. He gets a lot of them. Now, two years ago, he caught 80% of them, which was insane. Last year he caught like 15% of them or something like that. So maybe more than that, but it was kind of low.

But I kind of look at him as maybe this year's Dallas Goddard, where he'd have to score a lot of touchdowns, Mark Andrews, which is what I did in 2024. Right. But I don't know. As recently as 2023, Mark Andrews played nine healthy games, play one game with 10% of the snaps.

In the nine games, he was on pace for 81 catches, 984 yards, 12 touchdowns on 111 targets. He was the best tight end in fantasy when he was healthy in 2023, 2024, he was all touchdowns. Last year he was tight on 27 per game. But it is two years in a row with 70 targets in a full season. So I don't know.

I'm not really that optimistic about him. I don't know. I don't see how he gets to 100 targets. Oh, I don't. Yeah, but what has he done that once? Well, he's probably been on pace for that more than once, but I don't know. I guess he's done it twice. It's almost six targets per game.

100, right. I will say that like when you're talking, like they are always low in pass attempts. And they've been terribly low the last three years. But they threw 422 passes last year. Yeah. 422. Like they're going to throw it 50 more times, most likely.

Okay. All right. Let's go to Trey Tucker, last guy on Heath's list. Trey Tucker with the Raiders. I don't know who it's going to be. The number one wide receiver for the Raiders is being drafted after round 10. It's pretty rare that you get a chance to draft the number one wide receiver for a team after round 10. Tucker is entering his fourth year.

He has gotten better every year. It's going to be him or Jalen Naylor. I prefer Tucker. I think one of the other guys prefers Naylor. I would draft one of those guys after round 10. Who likes Naylor better than Tucker? It's me. Okay.

Yeah, I just, I love that he's been in Kubiak's offense previously, got a big contract to join Las Vegas, should get an opportunity to be the number one wide receiver for the Raiders. I don't think that means anything great. Usually when you hear, oh, it teams number one wide receiver, you get excited. I don't think he's necessarily going to be exciting. I'm not sure if any wide receiver in Las Vegas is going to be exciting. But taking shots on them in the double digit rounds, I don't know how you argue against that, unless you. want to just fire at other positions, which does make sense.

Would you guys... And Jack Bash is in the same range, too. Like, they're all three worth dart throws here. He should be third, but Tucker and Nailor are definitely worth taking a shot in. Would you rather have Jalen McMillan or a Raiders receiver? Raiders receiver.

Raiders. Yes. Okay. How about Casey Concepcion or a Raiders receiver? Concepcion. Casey. Denzel Boston? or Raiders?

Raiders. Yep. Because that's interesting. You have more faith in Concepcion being, that's not that interesting, but you have more faith in Concepcion being ahead of Boston than you do any particular Raiders guy being ahead of the other, not including the tight end, just talking about wide receivers. Okay. And by the way, I talked early in the show, I started out with that stat that there have been

36 wide receivers in the last six seasons drafted and. round nine or later that have finished either top 24 overall or top 24 per game. The three who did it last year were Wondell Robinson, Michael Wilson, and then the one guy who did it only per game was Christian Watson. All three of them really benefited from injuries to teammates, neighbors, Marvin Harrison, Jr., and I would argue Tucker Kraft. So that is often what happens. I looked at the list that there's been a lot of guys who have just really been

target hogs because of injuries. We can't sit here and predict that. But that's a lot of times the guys who end up emerging from this range. But we'll give you some more names to consider. When we come back, we'll take a break, and Dave and Jamie will give their lists after this. So Dave talked about Travis Kelsey already. So we'll skip Kelsey, and we'll go to Isaiah likely.

Isaiah likely, and then we'll give the two running backs on Dave's list, Jonathan Brooks and Jonah Coleman. Isaiah likely or Travis Kelsey or Mark Andrews, Dave. I will fire the shot on Likely before settling for one of those other tight ends. Jamie? Likely's ADP is one of the strangest things I've seen because usually people get more excited about new players joining new teams, players that have a track record like this where there's always generate, he always generates hype anytime he does something of significance.

And I would have thought if you were to say, okay, here's the tight end ADP or just ADP overall that likely would have been in the top 10 range of his position and the fact that he's, he's not as a little disturbing to me. So I wonder why the market is not reflecting that. I'm sure that will change once we get to redraft leagues, but I think there's a huge upside play here for likely. So definitely him for me. I wonder if it's because we've been burned by likely so many times.

Have we? There are so many. It feels like it. I don't know. There was the overspend on Fab after the week one game in 2024. And then even last year, too, we had a big game and we were all excited about him. And the next week, I think he had a donut the week after a big game in 2025.

Okay. Look, I just, I like the fact that this, this is somebody who was a number two tight end on his team, who should now be a number one tight end for his new team. Coach knows who he is and what he's capable of doing. And who's going to be the number two target getter in New York? And I know, let's talk about they want to be more run heavy. Okay, fine. So they're not going to be a bastion of passing.

But think about what they've got. it's neighbors coming off of an ACL. It's a bunch of other receivers that are either inexperienced or underwhelming for their entire careers. And then it's Isaiah likely, who admittedly has been a little overwhelming, but he's also never had a lot of opportunities. He's had nine career

games with six or more targets. He's had 12 and a half or more PPR points in eight of the nine. Wow. And Matt Nagy has a track record. Well, it's better than that. You know he's average in those nine games? It's huge. I just like giving a floor. 16.6 p.m.R. points per game in those nine games.

Wow. Okay. So you can choose. your favorite sat either way you love it and then naggy brought in tray burton in chicago when he went to chicago gave him a huge amount of money he underwhelmed it was nine point i've had here somewhere 9.2 ppr points per game 4.8 targets per game that would suck and that would be an even worse floor for likely than what we're talking about but that's also not six targets per game and then obviously naggy did a lot of work with Travis kelsey at tight end these are not the same players likely much more of a receiving tight end than a do-it-all tight end like kelsey is i don't mind taking the chance

chance on him and the ADP is helpful. So I, this is the, I will target him. Like I said, I will target him ahead of Kelsey, Andrews, Goddard, all these other older tight ends, Kittle. There's no way I'm going to go to battle one of those older guys when I can get somebody that's maybe the new hotness at the position. Okay. And Jonathan Brooks and Jonah Coleman, who do you prefer?

For now it's Brooks, but there could be a switch between now and August where I put Coleman ahead of Brooks. And it really just comes down to how Brooks comes along in the preseason. Is he practicing with the team most days? Does he get into preseason games? We're talking about a running back that's had two major ACL injuries in the same knee. And now suddenly we're adding them with a late pick. I guess the value is great.

But the hope is that he actually makes inroads on making Chuba Hubbard a 1B back. And it might be a little too far fetch. but if it's a double-digit round pick, I don't mind the concept of it. It just might be someone that you're drafting before the season and cutting by October because he's not getting the job done. And then obviously any setback that he has

between now and week one and his draft stock is going to plummet. Coleman is an interesting fit in Denver. A lot of people, including some people in Denver, compare him to J.K. Dobbins. But he doesn't have the injury history of J.K. Dobbins. And you've got to figure that Dobbins will miss time at some point along the way, is it going to be R.J. Harvey that gets all that work,

or does Coleman earn a role where he leapfrogs Harvey and is the 1A and Harvey is the 1B? I'm going to point to some things that were really good for Coleman when he was in college. He was awesome in shore yardage goal line situations. He's a good zone blocking running back. I think that he can be somebody who can contribute similarly to how Dobbins contributes for Denver, and it might not be just this year. I think he's a first round pick, obviously, in rookie-only drafts.

And I think he's worth stashing, especially if you go zero RB. You get J.K. Dobbins. All right, Dobbins is your starter to begin the season. You have mild RB2 expectations for him. But then when he goes down, Coleman might be the one that you put in the lineups instead of R.J. Harvey. And Harvey's being drafted out of both the Denver running backs.

And they're, and they talk about Coleman as a third downback. Whereas we know Dobbins is not going to be that. Nope. But I don't know. I just can't draft the guy where I feel like he has to leaprog two players. You know, not if he's already got a role.

If he's already got a role as a third downback, which you don't see from Rookies of Arnaz, why I didn't say anything about that. Because you don't see rookies going from college to pros and they're suddenly playing third downs. LeQuint Allen did it last year. No one knows who he is because he didn't help us in fantasy. But it's rare.

There might be one guy a year. could Coleman be that guy this year? Maybe. And does he have value when J.K. Dobbins is healthy? Definitely not. Right. You can't start him. You've got to wait for that to happen. If Coleman is the third down back now, then RJ Harvey is one of the biggest bust in fantasy.

I mean, I think Tyler Badee, Tyler Badee might be the third down back right now with Harvey also playing third down. I don't think they have one exclusive third down back. I think they split it between Harvey and Badee last year. I think that's what they did. And I guess they would do that. that too, but yeah, Harvey, not great. Okay, anyway, that's Dave's list. That would be Kelsey, likely, Brooks, and Coleman.

And Jamie's got Chris Rodriguez, Dallas Goddard, Matthew Stafford, and a couple of commanders on his team. So who do you want to start with, Jamie on his list? We start with Rodriguez. Stick with the running backs. All right. Stick with the running backs and go with Chris Rodriguez. I mean, again, we're looking at a backfield that we don't really know exactly who the starter's going to be, and Rodriguez could be that guy, and you're getting him significantly later than you're getting Bejel Tootin.

So I hope it's Tutin. I think he's got a little bit more upside than Rodriguez, who doesn't have the at least resume or pedigree seemingly to be involved in the passing game significantly. But Rodriguez, as we've talked about time and again, after he signed with Jacksonville, has a history with Liam Cohen from their days in Kentucky. He was good at times for the commanders last season. So when given work, I think will be productive. Could they split the running back share, the workload that is left behind by Travis

CTN, absolutely. And then Rodriguez is still good value in a handcuff situation. Obviously, has lottery ticket upside if Bachel Tutin were to miss any time. But we sort of fell for the hype for Tutin last year. Again, different scenario because there was a proven veteran on the roster. Obviously, if Rodriguez comes out in training camp and shows that he's the better of the two running backs, this ADP is going to change, so you're getting him at a discount now. But again, this is just one of those situations where could the second guy and the guy that they paid be a little bit better than the guy that we are expecting to be the incumbent. I just like to take a lot of shots on Chris Rodriguez, I think, as a fourth running back,

in some cases, maybe a fifth running back, depending on how many you like to put on your team. This is a guy that can end up being significantly more valuable than we are drafting him right now. Okay. And Chris Rodriguez, yeah, six career catches. Do you think he over under six catches this year for Chris Rodriguez? I'll take the over. Okay. Just a fun note here.

This is why advanced metrics are. fun but not always so helpful. Over the last three seasons, among 87 running backs with 100 or more carries, Chris Rodriguez ranks 10th in a void rate, which is great. Number one on the list is Kendry Miller.

Number five is Tank Bigsby. Number seven is Antonio Gibson. Number eight is Jule McLaughlin. So it's like, Rodriguez has great stats, but everything is just such small samples with him. But no, I mean, I totally agree, not trying to throw cold water on. It's a great pick.

just a note on stats. All right, Dallas Goddard. Dallas Goddard was the number five tight end per game in non and half PPR, number six in full PPR. He has been a top 13 per game, tight end in full PPR in seven straight seasons. I'm guessing he's around top 13 and ADP check. He is tight end 14. Undervalued, Jamie.

Dallas Goddard. So undervalued. And again, this will change when the age. J. Brown trade, I'm sure officially happens, but you see the path here, right? It's taking away a significant piece of this offense and changing things around. Obviously, McKinney Lemon comes in, 20th overall pick in the NFL draft. I think what's not being said enough is they drafted another tight end that we're expecting to just be the replacement, but what if we see a lot more 12 personnel for them and we see stowers on the field a little bit more? Remember, change in play caller,

so personnel could be a little bit different for the Eagles as well. So Goddard may lose a few opportunities, even though there's something being removed with AJ Brown gone. But still, if you take AJ Brown off the field, I think you just want to, you know, take chances on a guy that has clearly been a go-to option for Jalen Hertz. And, you know, Heath made this comment. I forget who was about, maybe it was about Goddard. But Hertz has been stubborn to change things. If he's going to be stubborn to adapt to Sean Mannion and still want to stick to the guys

that he's relying on, then Devante Smith and Dallas Goddard are in great spots. So I think just looking at where Goddard's ADP is, again, taking chances on late round tight ends. You said it at him. He's got a track record that's hard to argue with. He's also got an injury history that's hard to argue with as well. So you've got to be prepared for him to miss a couple of weeks at some point during the season, at least if that holds. But again, playing for a contract year coming off a season where he was among the leaders and touchdowns at the position, among the leaders and past catchers in touchdowns. You know, Dallas Goddard just is an easy auto pick if you just miss on all these tight ends.

It's funny because two of the guys that we mentioned, I think I mentioned this and I was going to bring it up with Dan when Dan saying he couldn't. make a draft pick while he was on the golf course. I said this either yesterday or Monday. Last week, I did a draft for a magazine. I'm coaching a baseball game. I am running the game changer where I have to keep track of the score and doing a draft all at the same time. I drafted Isaiah likely.

The only auto pick that I had, I'm sorry, I had two. The last pick, which I didn't really care about, but I had two auto picks. One was like round 11 or 12. It was Dallas Goddard. And I think that's an easy, tight-end pairing if you're a little bit concerned about does Isaiah likely take that step forward.

Dallas Goddard's a great fallback option. So if you want to take two tight ends, give me likely and Goddard all day long. This is a great team name or nickname from Mike D for three. Dallas Patert. Yeah, because that means scoring a touchdown. But let me show you this page for Dallas Goddard, just for fun. He was tied with Jake Ferguson for most targets among tight ends

from the one to five yard line. But he scored seven touchdowns. No one else scored more than four. And then if you look at this hill, history. This is a page that shows Dallas Goddard's tight end targets by season from the five-yard liner closer. He has 20 for his career. He had eight last year. He had four straight seasons with one. So they just, they were intentional about it. They threw a lot of screens to him near the goal line. But even in the years where he wasn't scoring a lot of touchdowns, top 13 per game in

PPR, seven straight seasons. Heath, any thoughts on Goddard versus likely and Kelsey and Andrews? I think likely is in a different category and Goddard Andrews and Kelsey are all right in the same group. Did you guys not see the Dallas Goddard target screen? Did I not have that displayed? No. Sorry, I screwed that up. Well, anyway, he has 20 career targets inside the five-yard line

and eight of them were last year. Jamie, Matthew Stafford. David's talked about him a lot and now he's on your list here. Matthew Stafford, one of your favorite late-round picks. Heath, are you also in on Stafford as a late-round pick? If it's late enough. Okay. What's late enough?

Yeah, all right. What is late enough, Heath? I mean, I don't usually draft them in our drafts because Jalen Hertz goes in round seven or eight and Dak Prescott goes after that. And so if you're talking about it, but if you were in a league where quarterbacks are going in the first six rounds and Matthew Stafford's there in round 11, then sure, it makes a lot of sense. Jamie, thoughts on Stafford?

I mean, we've said a lot. It was just a little surprising that he's so late on fantasy pros ADP. So for a guy that led the position in fantasy points per game last year, and I know the sample size for Stafford is two years over 25 fantasy points and two years under 20 fantasy points, like which Stafford are we getting this season. But I think you just have to look at what he did last year, first year with the two receivers that he had, Devante Adams as the touchdown guy in Puku and Nakuha having career season.

And like you just look at this and say, okay, if I miss on everything, I'll take the NFL MVP this late. You know, so it's just easy to, you know, fall back on. But again, this position is so deep, you know, it's a matter of do you take the chance on Stafford doing this again? Or let's say Kyler Murray, who's also going this range. Another guy I was going to mention, but I feel like we talk about him a lot too. Another guy that's in this range that has, in my opinion, huge upside also. So I would probably lean toward the proven guy more so. than the unproven in terms of what they just did a year ago. To me, Stafford is an easy, easy

fallback option. And I think if we were to say he's going to do X, Y, or Z of anything that he did a year ago, he'd be a top five player at his position. It's just the fact that he's 38 years old. They drafted a guy, you know, this just plays on people's minds. They drafted his replacement. So I think that weighs down his value a little bit, you know, in terms of Ty Simpson with the first round pick. You're looking again, if you take the body of work that Stafford was not good in 2024, 2020, as a fantasy quarterback. But still,

like, just had such an amazing season. You love the play caller. You love the weapons. It's hard not to think that Stafford could be 20 plus points per game again. And I think just getting him in this range, it's easy to, you know,

to take him. So when you say his ADP is solo, what kind of ADP are you seeing for Stafford? I mean, around 11 or later is pretty good. Yeah. I'm seeing him right around 100. hundredth or so.

QB 13. On fantasy pros? Yeah, I mean, fantasy pros depends what format you look at. You look at non-PPR. I think he's QB 15. And in full PPR, he's QB 13,

going about 104th, I think. Oh, I saw it later. I'm sorry. No, that's all right. I mean, things change. Draft sharks, he's going 112th. Where's he in ours? 5, 6, 7.

He's QB 13 in hours. Oh, no, he's QB 12 in hours, and he's going 123rd. This is Matthew Stafford we're talking about. So roughly QB 12, 13 in most of these ADPs. Draft Sharks is 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. So, all right. But I guess just to conclude, I think, Heath, you said round 12.

11 or 12 is fine, yeah. Dave, Matthew Stafford, where would you want to take them? 10. Jamie? After round 11. Okay. And then finally, you give yourself a, couple of options on the commanders, Chigo Conquo and Antonio Williams. And what's the theme there?

It's almost like what Heath was saying with the Raiders receivers. Like, you know, you're looking at the guys that are going to be involved opposite or along with Terry McCorrin. And as of right now, these are the top two guys. You know, Rashad White's going to factor in as well, or at least a running back will factor as well. I would say it's white also. The one thing that you got to keep an eye on is this is a Stefan Diggs potential destination. You know, that's been rumored. He's from the Maryland area. So could he, you know, sign with the commanders? I think that changes things, certainly for Williams. But, I mean, obviously we saw Jay and Daniels in the rookie season. Zach Ertz was a huge part of what he was doing. And O'Conco is one of these, you know, unique tight ends that he's extremely

fast. He was a fast guy at the combine when he came out. He doesn't necessarily catch the ball like he would like to see. He has an issue with drops. But an athletic tight end that finds a way to get open. When he's gotten targets, he's been successful with them. And so this is just an easy late round guy again past the Goddard Andrews Kelsey Range you know if you miss on those guys but if you're inclined to take two tight ends if you want to pair an older tight end with a guy that's just getting a great opportunity you know again looking at this receiving court it's Terry McCorren and a bunch of unknowns and so that's where Antonio Williams comes into play obviously a guy that they drafted with the perfect clear destination to just go get targets right away and so if he can prove himself

to be you know better than the trailing berks of the world and the other guys that they have there, you know, just a lot of veterans, Miami Brown, you know, guys that aren't exactly, I think players with upside in their careers at this point. You know, so Williams can go stepping right away, earn a role. And these are just two guys, again, when you're looking at opportunities at tight end and wide receiver, they both have it.

I'm going to throw out just some late round picks according to current fantasy pros, ADP, that we haven't talked about. Tell me how excited you would be to draft them. How about Jalen Coker? I originally was going to give him list him as one of the players, but it's obviously tougher now

to expect a big season after drafting Brazle and looking at where Koker was the majority of the year last year. He had some good moments. I just don't know if it'll be consistent. He'll probably have some flashes, but still believe in the player.

I just don't love the scenario right now that they bring in another wide receiver. Three out of ten. Okay. And how about... I think Tyrone Tracy Jr., is going too late. Just a little bit too much faith in Scataboo,

my opinion coming off this injury. Tyrone Tracy Jr., 132nd overall. 4 out of 10 if I don't have Scataboo, 8 out of 10 if I do. I'll say six. Six, either way. Sam Darnold, C.J. Stroud, Cam Ward. Daniel Jones.

Zero out of ten. Let's see. How about Jowan Johnson? So. Zero. I know it sounds weird because he had a good year last year, but the Saints made additions and there's other tight ends that we talked about on this show that you can get later on. I feel like Joanne can sit on the waiver wire and if he has a good week one,

we'll race to pick him up. But I'd be surprised if he's second on the team in targets this year. Yeah. I guess I shouldn't say that. If Jordan Tyson goes down with an injury or Olabe has, you know, hopefully he, Olave plays 17 games, obviously one of those guys missed this time. John goes back to his overall.

Jalen McMillan, anyone, anyone interested? Not really. He's one out of ten. You missed my 180-degree flip on Chris Godwin yesterday. I think I'm out. You're out. Tell them why.

What was the play? He ran, he had a 59-yard catch-and-run or something against the dolphins, and I clocked his 40, and it was like 5.3-6 seconds. But there was, there was some. non-straight line running in it. You azar stat at a 40-yard dash off of a play

where he was making cuts to avoid football players. In a game where he had over 100 yards receiving a touchdown. Yeah, but that's why you watch a tape. You don't just go by the stats. Yeah. He was so slow and really couldn't get open last year. You know what? Let me see what, let me just see ESPN open score last year on Chris Godwin.

Let's see. I'm curious where he ranked. Chris Godwin, he out of, How many receivers? It wasn't that bad. 110th. He was 56th. Not bad.

Abuka was 104th for what that's worth. Wow. Miko Collins was 100th. I don't really put so much stock in this, but there's something. Yeah. I'm glad you brought it up, though. Yeah, but no, I mean, watching that game, I just, man, McMillan was so much better than Chris Gobwin.

And I think there's a chance that he's, he's their number two receiver, and he's going super late. So I guess I'll see. McMillan could be their number two receiver? Yeah, I think so. Interesting. Well, who else would it be? Ted Hurst?

I think McMillan could be their fourth receiver. Yeah, he could. I don't know how much he'll play. But I do think anyone is eligible to be their number two receiver. I think Abuca will be their number one receiver. But anyone could be their number two, including McMillan. Let's see. I'll give just a couple more.

I can find the tab. I have so many tabs open. How many tabs do you guys usually have open? You're just doing work. 50. My laptop, it's like 20-something. This one, it's four. You know, 22-ish.

I've got like 25 on one tab, on one browser. I have 30 open right now. I didn't realize it was that many. Wow. It's a me a text. He has 200 to 10 tabs up. How about a little earlier? Round 10, Matthew Golden.

Love that. Oh, yeah. Okay. Jamie hated it when I picked them. At the time, yes. But I picked them earlier. I picked them like round eight or something. And I believe it was like our first draft.

I think Dobbs was still on the roster then. Maybe. Post-super Bowl, yeah. Jaden Higgins, round 11. I was more excited after the season. Now I'm not. Two. Okay.

I mean, Tank Dell's recovery is probably a big part of this. Okay. So we had a YouTube poll, which side are you on? Dan or Heath. And I really don't know because I think, I think Heath needed to reach out independently to Dan and the other guy and ask them why they hadn't made any drops. I think Heath put a little bit too much faith in the people in his league.

That much is clear. Yeah. But I'm going to say, I'm going to vote Heath. And it's a little closer than I thought. 68% said Heath, 132 votes. It's 68% Heath, 32% Dan. What's your reaction to that, Heath? I feel like it really gives me a lot to think about

that nearly one third of the people that listen to this show thought that Dan was in the right in this situation. Yeah. That's concerned. I think so it's... Go ahead. People agree with Dan's take on expanding the rosters and just allowing people to make their picks.

I think that's where people come out on this. And I know that's where Adam comes out on this because he does it as the baked burger commissioner. I don't think anybody can agree with Dan's excuse making about why he didn't follow the rules that you have laid out that you obviously were very clear on the not getting emails. Again, I'm in the same boat. I have to fix my email from our leagues as well. I don't get those either for some glitch.

So Dan's not alone in that. But that being said, that's why I asked Dan the question. I played in Dynasty League's multiple years. I know that usually after the rookie draft, whether there's going to be a draft or not, there's probably going to be some mention of it. The NFL draft is going to be some mention of the rookie draft. I saw what Heath's method is in both leagues that he runs. I made the proper ad drops that I needed to make to make my draft picks.

And I think that's how you have to approach it. Like he's played in, if this was his first time, and I know it's a startup dynasty league from 2025, but if this was his first time playing dynasty and he made the mistake, I would feel much worse for him. Totally would say, oh. It was the reason that I basically ruled like Adam suggested. and let the picks that had been made stand because there was someone else in the league who had made the same mistake.

If it had just been Dan, I was 100% with you guys. And I think Dan did a good job of gaslighting the audience and trying to turn this into a discussion about my rules instead of the fact that he didn't pay attention or followed the rules. Yeah, he can't be absolved of his misgivings here. I think this the problem is like,

or not the problem, but I think just the debate can start, certainly be, does the rule make sense of cutting players before the draft or cutting players after the draft? And I think that's certainly up for debate. I think Heath, I think Heath kind of, no, I think you were very dishonest when you said you expanded the rosters by two, because you really didn't. You just, you just made two roster spots to accommodate for the guys who were coming off the practice squad, the taxi squad. So that was really, I think, morally just horrible. Well, technically, you have to, you have an illegal roster.

when those guys are no longer eligible for the practice squad, which they aren't after their rookie season. Right, but you didn't expand the rosters to help, but not to help people with the draft, which is what you implied. And that's the other thing is that the people who are suggesting, you know, just add enough roster spots for people to make their picks. I think at the end of the YOLO season,

Dave had eight players on injured reserve and two players on his practice squad. And so if I had just added six spots because the Yolo Dynasty League has six spots, he still wouldn't have been able to make a pick without dropping players. So much to think about. Okay. And I, by the way, got my emails from Heath and made my roster's legal. And Dan's in that league. And you know what?

Dan dropped all the players he needed to drop to make a pick in that league. I don't know why he got so mad about this, though. I think what we're heading toward, and Adam's not going to like this because it's to impact him. But I think we're heading toward is a new athletic competition between Heath and Dan. Oh. And you guys can play your little tennis game on your own. And we, we figure out, now, Heath, do you play tennis? No. No. Okay. I've played, but I don't actively. So we have to find something that's like common ground for the two of you. Because basketball, you'll kill him. So, oh, Dan, like basketball. I'll back him down. I'll back him down all day. I think I'm

strongly considering buying some golf clubs and picking golf back up and I was, I did play golf in high school and I lived on a golf course for about 10 years and I haven't played for 10 years

but I think with a year of practice I'd probably be better at golf. Yeah, but we gotta get this for the summer. That would be, that I wouldn't let it happen because if you beat Dan at golf, I think it would kill him. Yeah, it would kill him.

Yeah, it would kill him. And I love him too much to allow that. How about a field goal kicking competition between Heath and Dan? Like Thomas, Thomas would destroy Dan in golf. Yeah. And Dan thinks he could beat Thomas.

No, Dan knows Thomas would beat him. No, but there was a while where Dan thought he could beat Thomas, and that's just insane. I hope not. Yeah. All right, well, anyway. 15-yard field goals. Dan's, Dan is something else.

I think we've got to come up with something. Adam's out. It's going to be Dan versus Keith at this way. It's fine with me. All right. We will talk to you, oh, Tuesday. He's got a three-day weekend. Fun stuff.

All right. So have a great memorial day, everybody. and we'll speak to you on Tuesday with a new edition of Fantasy Football today. See ya. Podcasts.