Fantasy Football Today - How to Pick From Each Spot in the Draft (08/28 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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Starting point is 00:01:16 He's just going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. How to draft from each spot in a 12-team league. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today, presented by BetMGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas. This is our pick-by-pick episode. We're going to take a look at a three-wide receiver PPR mock draft that we did just a couple of days ago and look at how each team was built. How do you pick from the one spot, the two spot, etc.?

Starting point is 00:01:44 And certainly late in the first round, it maybe gets a little bit more complicated because if you look at our consensus rankings, everyone's got the same top 10 players in a slightly different order, but it's those Elite Eight, then AJ Brown, then Garrett Wilson. But we'll talk about it all as we welcome you to the show.

Starting point is 00:02:01 And today, yo, yesterday was tennis day, but today's even bigger. Today is draft-a-thon day. Yeah. Yeah. Can I get a what? to the show. And today, yesterday was tennis day, but today's even bigger. Today is draft-a-thon day. Yeah. Can I get a what, what? What? Oh, Heath, you really had to say

Starting point is 00:02:15 what after that. That would have been so perfect. But anyway, 4 to 6 p.m. YouTube.com slash Fantasy Football today. Two hours of live programming

Starting point is 00:02:24 with Matt Ryan, Jake Seeley, Katie Mox, Robert Turbin, Ben Gretsch. The Front Yard Fantasy guys are coming on to play Fantasy Feud. By the way, Heath, can you hop on at 510 for 10 minutes to play Fantasy Feud? Come on, man. We can't be doing these things. It's like seven hours beforehand. Notice that he's asking you live on the air,

Starting point is 00:02:45 so you really can't say no. You don't have to, but I hate to, you know, oh, also Scott. You would like to win, so you want me to be there. No, I just, I hate to like throw roles and assignments at you this late, but Dave, you're going to be returning punts for us this year.

Starting point is 00:03:02 Great. People are freaking out. This is sending shockwaves through. What, I'm returning punts? It this year. Great. People are freaking out. This is sending shockwaves through. What, I'm returning punts? It's sending shockwaves? That Kyron Williams is going to be returning punts. They're like, oh, he's not a full-time running back? Like, what is going on?

Starting point is 00:03:17 What do you guys think about that? You know what I think? I think that the Rams don't currently have a punt returner that Sean McVay believes in. So he's going to say that Kyron Williams is that guy. And early on last year, I might be off on this, but I remember him returning punts early on in the season. He did. And wasn't it like week two when he started to be the main running back? And then they took him off punt return duty. I'm looking at this as a nothing

Starting point is 00:03:45 burger and that he'll end up being the lead back for the rams 70 30 split with quorum he'll get all the valuable touches i this doesn't bother me one bit the rams will find somebody so week week one he played i think he returned punts and kickoffs and played 65% of the offensive snaps. Week two, he returned punts and played 95% of the offensive snaps. Week three, he returned punts and played 100% of the offensive snaps. Okay. Then he didn't return punts anymore. So it doesn't sound like you guys are concerned.

Starting point is 00:04:20 Jamie, are you concerned about just the reaction that I've seen? I even saw a comment right now. As soon as they drafted Blake coram kyron williams was a bad pick at his adp but jamie are you at all concerned about him being used to return punts not about that i i did move him down a few spots just because i was adjusting some things at the top anyway and the offensive lines are concerned right now i mean that's a bigger problem for me than it is the punt return stuff. So when I was looking at it, you know, and just the boost that Josh Jacobs is getting, I was already almost there with Pacheco to begin with and Etienne. So I dropped him behind those three guys. Wow.

Starting point is 00:04:57 Okay. Did anybody else have Kyron Williams behind Josh Jacobs, Travis Etienne, and Isaiah Pacheco or any of those three? No, but I did move Josh Jacobs up ahead of Saquon Barkley yesterday. So he is now a top 10 running back for me. AJ Dillon is out for the season. Marshawn Lloyd begins the season on the pup list. I think I'm now the low guy on Jacobs.

Starting point is 00:05:27 Sorry, Heath had not heard the dog soundbite from yesterday. Yeah, I do have a dog that barks. It doesn't sound quite like that, but I was like, oh, do I need to mute? Is my dog barking? So what are we using this for now? The pup list. The pup list, okay. Okay, just a quick note. In the last two days, the four of us have done a couple of drafts, the Podcast League draft and the IDP draft. In the Podcast League draft, it doesn't really matter how many teams it was, 14 teams, one was 12 teams. The IDP draft, the IDPs did not go until, I don't know, round seven or so.

Starting point is 00:05:57 Six. 15 of the top 24 picks in the podcast league draft. This is both of them were PPR. We're running backs in the IDP draft. 15 wide receivers. No, 15 to 24 wide receivers. Right. IDP draft in the podcast league. I'm pretty sure it was running backs went super early.

Starting point is 00:06:19 Right. One of the 15 of the top 24 were running books. I don't think that's right. Yeah. Podcast league. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Podcast league was crazy. Running back heavy, not top 28, top 24 were running backs? I don't think that's right. In the podcast league, yes. Yeah, yeah. Podcast league was crazy running back heavy. Not top 28, top 24.

Starting point is 00:06:30 And it was a 14-team league. Wow. You wrote the article already, Jamie? Yes. Yeah, right. So it was like one draft was super running back heavy and one draft was super wide receiver heavy. So everything we say to you today about how to build your team,

Starting point is 00:06:45 it's not something that you should be so beholden to. You need to play the board. You need to know who you're drafting with. That's more important. But I didn't know who I was drafting with in the podcast league. That's a fair point. If you don't know, and I never seen our IDP league go that crazy for wide receivers. I got Kyron Williams

Starting point is 00:07:01 with the third to last pick of round two. I went running back, running back, running back. Yeah, I got Pacheco in round three at 3.3. So take the value. Don't worry. If you have a great value, don't worry about your strategy. I went Brees Hall, Jameer Gibbs, Josh Jacobs with my first three picks. How did you get Brees Hall and Jameer Gibbs?

Starting point is 00:07:22 That's crazy. My receivers are not as good as I would like them to be. It's Devontae Smith. Devontae Smith. Who's the second one? That's all right. The point taken is adjust on the fly. Go ahead, Heath.

Starting point is 00:07:40 The funny thing is, as you were saying this, I was trying to figure out how was it so wide receiver heavy, i got aj brown and garrett wilson at 12 and 13. i don't know it just was then after that like the wide receivers i think there was sam laporta was was one of the early picks taylor went in front of you gives one in front of you no i was barkley taylor barkley somebody else had to go in front of Harrison. Barkley? Yep. Okay. So I've got a, Hey, real quick for you.

Starting point is 00:08:11 We got to be real quick. Hey, real quick. We got our super flex league. I'm excited about that one. Oh, today. Yeah. Super flex. Yeah. More likely to go running back,

Starting point is 00:08:18 running back or wide receiver, wide receiver. Receiver, receiver. It depends on where I'm drafting in round one I would say running back running back but it's not like a lock that I would do that

Starting point is 00:08:33 I have I'd like to look through my results and see but I like anything is possible okay Kevin Garnett Jeff which position do you usually draft first quarterback or tight end tight end tight end quarterback if i'm drafting with you guys tight end if i'm drafting with normal people if you have picks 11 or 12 in a 12 team league which players make you kind of

Starting point is 00:09:00 take mcbride before you take a quarterback with us? I've got... I have. I've got Mahomes, I think, one spot ahead of McBride, though. If you have picks 11 or 12, which players make you kind of nervous at the 1-2 turn? Puka. Puka, Harrison, Barkley, Taylor. They make you nervous? Barkley, for sure.

Starting point is 00:09:24 By comparison. Okay. Still drafting it. Barkley Taylor they make you nervous Barkley for sure okay someone commented did Heath just say GIF yeah I think we're on GIF now I think everyone says GIF now no one says GIF really I think it's GIF I think no one says GIF oh wow Schaefer can we get a YouTube poll going on here

Starting point is 00:09:43 or just ask anybody under the age of... So how are you going to do the YouTube poll? Are you going to GIF, like G-I-F or J-I-F? I think people will get it. You know, I'll do a Twitter poll. I'll do a Twitter poll. Okay, last hey real quick. If you're in a 10-team league, do you even have a strategy?

Starting point is 00:10:02 Draft good players. Yeah. I took it on Adam the first time ever in a 10 team league last night yeah what round three four five what yeah wow all right the poll is up um okay so i'm gonna ask you guys you know what let's should we go into this now i want to ask you a better all right, let's do this. Better build from, I looked at a team, I think this was from a mock draft recently.

Starting point is 00:10:33 Teams 11 and 12, which start do you like better? It's honestly, I think this, do you guys feel like this is the toughest spot to draft from? After your top 10 of the elite eight, AJ Brown, Garrett Wilson, 11 and 12. You don't find this toughest spot to draft. I don't think it's tough. I just think you've got to have a little bit of a game plan and be aware of

Starting point is 00:10:53 what might be available in round two when you pick in round one, but that doesn't make it tough. It doesn't make it undesirable. I mean, 12, I guess is probably the toughest because it's back to back every time you pick. Well,

Starting point is 00:11:04 everything's relative. It's certainly worse than 1-8, in my opinion. Yeah. All right, well, anyway, what's a better build? Team 11, this was a two-wide receiver PPR league. Team 11 took Jonathan Taylor, Puka Nakua, Sam Laporta, and Patrick Mahomes. Both teams started running back receiver.

Starting point is 00:11:22 Team 11 went running back receiver, tight end quarterback. Taylor, Puka, Laporta, Mahomes. Team 12 took Harrison, Gibbs, Ayuk, and Rasheed Rice. So one team, again, you only have to start two receivers. One team goes with one running back and three receivers. One team goes with one of each position. What do you think? What do you prefer there?

Starting point is 00:11:49 The three receivers, but I don't like the receivers per se. I don't like the IU pick, excuse me. Really depends on who the guy that took three receivers end up with quarterback and tight end and who the guy that took quarterback and tight end ends up with a wide receiver. I could tell you the rest of the team, but then it comes down to like, did they make the right picks?

Starting point is 00:12:06 But I'm just wondering, if you were drafting 11th or 12th, would you be in at the 3-4 turn, would you be in on the quarterback and or the tight end there? Or are you building the rest of your roster out? It's easier to do in a two receiver league. So, you know, you can get away with it because you already have one receiver. So you're trying to maximize the position value at tight end and quarterback. I just would prefer the other build because I don't like going quarterback and tight end so soon. Right.

Starting point is 00:12:34 Together. That's always been a faux pas, so to speak. If this were a smaller league, I'd be okay. Like you mentioned 10-team leagues. This is an okay start. This is a really good start in a 10 team league, Taylor Nakua, Laporta Mahomes.

Starting point is 00:12:47 But once you get to 12 teams and you're going to, he, this team is going to miss out on other running backs and receivers and not have that huge of an advantage at tight end and quarterback versus the rest of the league against certain managers that wait on tight end, wait on quarterback. Yeah, sure.

Starting point is 00:13:04 They'll have an advantage there, but that's not that, that won't be very many teams this year so i don't love that start all right yeah oh sorry sorry no i just think like the advantage is not that it really depends on where the rest of the top four go with the position too because i think having one of those top four tight ends is a big advantage on eight teams. But if McBride or Andrews fall to round five, then maybe you kind of messed up. Or if Lamar Jackson falls to round five, then maybe you kind of messed up. But I do think that the difference between the top four

Starting point is 00:13:33 at both of those positions is a significant edge over the wide receivers you're getting in round three versus... Like, we love the wide receivers that go in round five and round six. Right. Yeah, we do. Okay. If you haven't signed up for BetMGM yet, use the bonus code FANTASY and you're going to get up to a $1,500 first bet offer on your first wager with BetMGM. And here's how it works. Download the BetMGM app and sign up using the bonus code FANTASY. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game.

Starting point is 00:14:07 Miami minus two at the Gators. You will receive up to $1,500 in bonus bets if your bet loses. Just make sure you use bonus code FANTASY when you sign up. By the way, I'm not giving any advice there. I'm just ribbing, ribbing my Gator colleagues. When we come back, we're going to take a look at the early results of the GIF versus GIF poll. Talk about something Heath did that I thought was very hurtful yesterday. And give you an opportunity to get in another podcast league.

Starting point is 00:14:34 Jamie is starting a 16-team podcast league. You want to be in? We'll tell you how right after this. All right, the early results are in, Schaefer. Let's see what the poll says. Oh, you voted for GIF? I'm glad you're losing, Schaefer. Let's see what the poll says. Oh, you voted for Jif? I'm glad you're losing, Schaefer. Gif with 71%.

Starting point is 00:14:49 You need to do it. This is a bad use of polling. Why? You just gave two spellings, and one of them spelled exactly like the word, and one is not. You're not explaining the difference between those two pronunciations.

Starting point is 00:15:00 And I would just say that Steve Wilhite of CompuServe, when deciding on pronunciations, said he deliberately chose to echo the American peanut butter company GIF. And CompuServe employees would often say choosy developers choose GIF, playing off the television commercial. Yeah. But the thing is, like, everyone felt so weird saying GIF. So they were just like, screw it. We're just going to say GIF because it looks like GIF. So I think it's a very clear poll. How do you pronounce GIF? Then GIF or JIF? I think people know.

Starting point is 00:15:27 People are choosing the thing that is the same as the actual thing. No, people are choosing the hard G there, and 74% are choosing it. And the reason why I'm doing this is because I'm very upset with you. You took the under on two and a half games for me yesterday.

Starting point is 00:15:41 And if I had known that before the match, I probably would have won another game. Well, first off, I set the line of two and a half, and then I took the under. And I think it was a very good line and a good bet. Shraggy B and I were actually texting during the match as we were watching it live, and he took the over on two and a half after you won your first game.

Starting point is 00:16:04 And I was a little nervous after you won your first game and i was a little nervous after you won your second game but then you laid down in the second set well no he played very well in the second set 6-2-6-0 schneier 20 the stream that i put up we put up two separate streams the stream that i put up got 28 000 views it was insane how many people are watching that so thank you all for your support i appreciate appreciate it. He needed to be mic'd up, though. Oh, right. Yeah, I was going to say what the words that I heard when he was on the far court. Yeah, we did not need Adam.

Starting point is 00:16:35 FCC would have been visiting his house this morning. All right, Jamie, let's give people. And I just seriously, I want to thank people were very supportive and I appreciate it. It was not a great, great day for me. It was upsetting, but I appreciate all of your support. Your middle school championship is still your most proud athletic moment. Was yesterday your worst? No, not at all. I didn't even play that badly. He's just better than I am. I have probably another year to go before I can maybe get to maybe beat him if he

Starting point is 00:17:06 doesn't play for a year. And I play a lot, but no, I'm not embarrassed by it at all. Like he's just better. And, and that's what it is. Um, so are you ready to admit he's a better athlete than you? He probably is a better athlete than I am. He's, he's built, like he just, he's got more muscle mass than I do. It helps wait. So can we we just get to the 16-team podcast league? How do we get in the 16-team podcast league? So to be in the super leftover league, right? You have the leftover league. We'll call this the super leftover league.

Starting point is 00:17:35 To be in the super leftover league, here's what you got to do. You have to go to Apple Podcasts and leave us a five-star review and say why you like our show. Then what you need to do is because we can't get your information from Apple Podcasts, you need to screen grab that review and then email it to, and Adam, correct me when I get this wrong, you need to email it to fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Yeah, the letter I, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. And what you need to do is you need to write us a five-star review on Apple.

Starting point is 00:18:01 You know what? Not even a five. You need to review our podcast and tell us why you like us? Five star. Hopefully it's five star. You probably won't get it if you don't give us five star, but you know, be honest.

Starting point is 00:18:11 Um, tell us why you like the show. It's not just asking a question. So tell us why you like the show and then screen, grab that email to fantasy football at cbsi.com. The draft will be the Wednesday, one week from today before the season opener, uh,

Starting point is 00:18:24 16 team league. It will not be super flex or two quarterback because that's insane. So it will be one quarterback league. I'll give the rules once we get the people in it, but it will be relatively simple. What time do you want to set it for? We will set that for 9 p.m. Eastern on Wednesday, September 4th. Late night, late night. All right.

Starting point is 00:18:43 So that's, again, take that screenshot. Send it to fantasyfootball at cbsi.com, but put podcast league in the subject line if you wouldn't mind. Put super leftover league in the... Whatever you want. One more. Do you agree you're a better tennis player than a softball player? Is that accurate?

Starting point is 00:19:00 100%. I've never seen you play softball, so I'm just trying to measure the softball ability. No, much better. But you watch me. I'm not a bad tennis player. I've got some skill. I just made too many mistakes, and he didn't make any. I told you this.

Starting point is 00:19:14 As a baseball coach, you need to turn your hips more. I do. Bend your knees. My biggest problem was I took a bathroom break in between sets, and it was super far away, and I was exhausted afterward. Dan got to rest. I was exhausted after dan got to rest i exhausted after walking to the bathroom my favorite part of the stream is adam goes to use the restroom and comes back and dan walks over to the camera says adam needs a break after going to the

Starting point is 00:19:34 bathroom because it was up a hill it was so no it was i peed jamie and no let's go be in the bushes because i was on i didn't know where the camera angle was. I didn't want to be on camera peeing in the pool. It was a cell phone. I know. Could you imagine if he got caught doing that and was arrested and we saw that on the live? That would have been great. It would have been amazing. I would have given you the win. All right.

Starting point is 00:19:55 News and notes. News and notes. Jamar Chase expected to play in week one. Kyron Williams is going to return puns. We already talked about it. We don't think it's a huge deal. Rams tight end Tyler Higbee is on. Do I do it again?

Starting point is 00:20:06 He's on the pup list. And yeah, I don't know. Any sleeper tight end here in LA. Yeah. Colby Parkinson will be the first guy up, but I don't believe in him as anything more than a middling streamer to begin the year.

Starting point is 00:20:24 He could end up mattering but think about that offense and all the pieces they have in the passing game yeah yeah higby actually was pretty good for the first four games of the season and then he was basically invisible as soon as cooper cup came back yeah right so if cup goes down again parkinson's a name to grab off the waiver wire cleveland released dionte foreman but he could be re-signed so we'll we'll check on that they kept four quarterbacks which is unheard of so a hunch is that they'll trade one of the quarterbacks and then re-sign foreman elijah mitchell is out for the season do you guys think jordan mason is the clear handcuff for christian mcafree today yes probably round 10 new or new Christian McCaffrey? Today, yes. Probably. Round 10.

Starting point is 00:21:06 New Orleans running back New Orleans running back Kendri Miller is on IR designated for return. AJ Dillon is out for the season. Marshawn Lloyd is on IR. No, he's not. Marshawn Lloyd is not on IR.

Starting point is 00:21:22 What is he on? He's on the roster. I thought they put him on IR. Everybody thought that that's what was going to happen, but what had happened was they put Dylan on IR, and they kept Lloyd on the roster. I don't know if he's going to be active week one. It's to be determined.

Starting point is 00:21:37 And maybe he ends up on IR eventually, but for now, he's on the 53 man. Interesting. Okay, good. They should go get somebody, because they only have three guys on the Deontay Foreman roster right now. No, I mean, P. Ryan makes some sense there for them. Yeah, Emmanuel Wilson is their other guy.

Starting point is 00:21:53 Jimmy wants P. Ryan to go anywhere but Cincinnati. Well, I'm just saying from an NFL perspective, he makes sense for what they could do. New England wide receiver Kendrick Bourne and left guard Cole Strange are going to remain on the pup list. Strange is a starter for them. Kendrick Bourne technically, I guess, might be too, but Strange is a big deal.

Starting point is 00:22:11 And Barmore is on the NFI. That's arguably their best defensive player. This team's going to be ugly the first four weeks. It's going to be ugly the first 17 weeks, but certainly the first four. Rashid Shahid should be ready for week one for the Saints. The Cardinals released running back Michael Carter.

Starting point is 00:22:29 The Lions signed wide receiver Tim Patrick to the practice squad, but he could make the active roster. The Titans acquired linebacker Ernest Jones from the Rams for two late-round picks in 2026. How about a guy who scored more than 22 PPR fantasy points at wide receiver in three games last year got released? Noah Brown. Remember that Noah Brown had back-to-back games,

Starting point is 00:22:52 and then he had a game a few weeks later where he scored over 22 fantasy points. He had 153, 172, and 82 yards in those three games. The Texans released Noah Brown. The Chiefs released Kadarius Toney. The Chargers released Donald Parham. The Odell Beckham is on the pup list for the Dolphins. And the Chiefs acquired tight end Peyton Hendershot from Dallas

Starting point is 00:23:11 for a conditional 2026 seventh round pick. It sounds like Tim Patrick might be going to Detroit. I said that one. I'm sorry. Yeah. I think they signed him. Watch out, Kalief Raymond. I think they signed him to the practice squad. Well, they signed him already. Pretty, Kalief Raymond. I think they signed him to the practice squad.

Starting point is 00:23:25 Well, they signed him already. Pretty sure, to the practice squad. But he could make the active roster. That's right. Yes. Yeah. All right. How to draft from each spot.

Starting point is 00:23:34 Let's take a look at our pick-by-pick. If you're listening to this podcast, this one might be good for you to go to YouTube. And youtube.com slash fantasyfootballtoday. If you have trouble finding anything, just hit the live tab, and you'll see an archive of all the live shows that we've done.

Starting point is 00:23:47 So what, what? I was reading the chat. I apologize. I'll read it from Jeff. This one. Sorry. Adam didn't want Dan to see that he pulls his pants all the way down to

Starting point is 00:24:02 pee. Oh, you had to sit. That's why you left. Yeah. All right. Now it makes sense. In this pick-by-pick draft, Heath had teams 1 and 7.

Starting point is 00:24:15 Jamie had teams 2 and 8. Dave had 4 and 11. And I had 5 and 11. Sorry, 5 and 11. I had 6 and 12. Jacob and Dan were the other drafters. Jacob had 3 and 9. And Dan had five and 11, sorry, five and 11. I had six and 12. Jacob and Dan were the other drafters. Jacob had three and nine and Dan had four and 10. So, um,

Starting point is 00:24:31 Heath, what was your strategy with the first pick? And we're not going to be able to spend like, you know, a ton of time on every team, but what was your strategy with the first pick? Uh, take Christian McCaffrey first overall.

Starting point is 00:24:39 It's pretty much my strategy. Although like, listen, he is an older running back that could look silly, but that's what we do every time. The 2-3 turn is probably going to be a pair of wide receivers for me, except on some sites,

Starting point is 00:24:52 James Cook has around 3 ADP, and I might take him there. But I got Waddle and Evans. The 4-5 turn, I would love it if I could get a top-4 quarterback and a top-4 tight end. I think in normal drafts, it's more likely that you would get

Starting point is 00:25:06 a top four tight end there, but I was able to get Jalen Hurts, and then I took my third wide receiver. I don't normally say I'm going to do this most times. I just kind of see how the draft happens, but I do really like the hero build if I can get Javante and Tony Pollard at the 6-7 turn. Like, absolutely

Starting point is 00:25:26 love those two at that point in the draft. So, three wide receivers and either a quarterback or a tight end early in the first five picks. Take those two running backs and then just fill. Another thing I've been doing a lot more in the double-digit rounds

Starting point is 00:25:42 if I miss tight end is pairing TJ Hawkinson with either Dallas Goddard or Dalton Schultz. All right. I have some follow-up questions for you. Let's talk about where you took that quarterback. Jalen Hurts, 48th overall. ADP says it's very unlikely that Mahomes, Hurts, or Allen is going to be there at 48th overall.

Starting point is 00:25:58 Are there any other quarterbacks you would consider at 48th overall? I would take Lamar, but as I said, I think it's much more like ADP also says that both Mark Andrews and Trey McBride will be there at 48th overall. So if you want to look at this and say, what could I do? Put one of those tight ends at that pick. Put Jaden Daniels

Starting point is 00:26:18 and Jared Goff at pick 10 and 11 instead of Dallas Goddard and TJ Hawkinson. And that works just fine. At the 2-3 turn, if any of the following running backs fell to you, would you take them? Kyron Williams, Travis Etienne, Isaiah Pacheco.

Starting point is 00:26:36 Yep. What about Josh Jacobs? Now I think, now I would, yes. Okay, so you went McCaffrey, and then at the 2-3 turn you went Waddle Evans. Now this is a three-receiver league. Got to point that out. Three receivers, full PPR, and a flex.

Starting point is 00:26:51 Josh Jacobs and the other running backs mentioned, Pacheco, Etienne, Kyron Williams, very much in play. For us, some of us anyway, James Cook would probably be very much in play. That's, you know, people are kind of split on him. So you don't necessarily have to go receiver, receiver. You can't do it when Heath is drafting two teams. Nope.

Starting point is 00:27:08 Yeah, he took James Cook much earlier in the second round. All right, so anyway, start with McCaffrey. See if there's great running back value at the 2-3 turn. If not, you wouldn't reach for A-Chan or Rashad White. We would not, but ADP says he goes there. Yeah, but you guys wouldn't do it. reach for A-Chan or Rashad White? We would not, but ADP says he goes there. You guys wouldn't do it. You take two receivers. Maybe you get

Starting point is 00:27:31 lucky with a top four quarterback at 48th, but more likely it's a good spot to take a top four tight end and then just continue to build out your roster. Heath went hero RB at the one with McCaffrey in the first round. Javante Williams and Tony Pollard at round six and seven.

Starting point is 00:27:47 Now, what other running backs at the six, seven turn would any of you guys be happy with if you had this hero RB build? The guys who had just come off the board were James Connor, Najee Harris, and David Montgomery. But if you're looking at the six, seven turn,

Starting point is 00:28:02 what other running backs, Jamie, I'll throw it to you, would you be happy with if you had McCaffrey and then didn't take your second and third running backs until around six and seven? So I actually have it ranked Montgomery Pollard, Javante, 18, 19, 20. And so those would be my three preferred guys if that was the case. Uh, so after that, if you're, if you want to extend it further, so it would be Najee would be in that group. Stevenson would be in that group. Zemir White would be in that group.

Starting point is 00:28:30 Yep. Okay. So I would not take Conor there, and I would not take Swift until the end of that group. I'd be surprised if Conor made it there. I would absolutely take Conor there. Montgomery, if he made it. Zemir White.

Starting point is 00:28:42 Najee. That's the group also i have taken like in this situation one of pollard or giovanni because the other one's gone and jonathan brooks as a third running back in round seven but jonathan brooks in this draft because jacob gibbs was in it went eight picks earlier all right last question on team one you your tight ends are dallas goddard and TJ Hawkinson. Any regrets, maybe instead of taking Tony Pollard, so you got McCaffrey, Waddle, Evans, Hertz, Pittman, Javante, maybe take Evan Ingram there and then just get your third running back later. And that

Starting point is 00:29:16 could have been somebody like Devin Singletary. Yeah, I would. I think there's a chance that one of Javante or Pollard could really be a difference maker at the position. I don't really expect that Evan Ingram is going to be again this year. And so, no, I would not want to do that. If Kittle had been there, he went like five, six picks earlier, then absolutely. If you were in a home league today picking from the one spot, I feel like your roster would be completely different. You already mentioned that you would take Jacobs at the 2-3 turn if he were there. Hurts probably wouldn't be there.

Starting point is 00:29:52 What if you started with McCaffrey, a receiver, Jacobs, a receiver and Jacobs on the 2-3 turn, and then just hammer two receivers at the 4-5? I talked about this on air. That was the strangest thing about this draft. If we're comparing it to a home league, then none of these teams are going to look like this because no quarterback went before pick 40. And then, oddly, we had quarterbacks that normally go in round 7, 8, 9

Starting point is 00:30:19 going in round 6. So it's just so much different. Right. It always is it's hard to translate you just never know how drafts are going to turn out team two is Jamie there's breaking news by the way

Starting point is 00:30:33 hit it Dalvin Cook is Dallas Cowboy signing him to the practice squad I just saw if he's signed now I don't believe he's a practice squad guy I think he has to wait till four but I don't

Starting point is 00:30:57 know for sure 29 years old and last with his life got that yesterday okay so let's go to team and last with the best day of his life. Got that yesterday. Best day. Okay. So let's go to team two. All right. No,

Starting point is 00:31:10 no, let's finish with that. Is this dropping Dowdle or Zeke in your rankings? It's going to drop Dowdle a couple of spots, but he's still my preferred Cowboys running back, but he's like, he's in a mix for me that, you know,

Starting point is 00:31:23 I, I kind of moved that group around of Julia McLaughlin and Ty Chandler and JK Dobbins. And, you know, it just, it's going to be such a mess. Team two is Jamie's Tyree kill and Drake London to start the draft.

Starting point is 00:31:37 Josh Jacobs and Joe Mixon in rounds three and four Tyree kill Drake London, Josh Jacobs, Joe Mixon. I don't think anyone has any issues with that build. And remember, we always talk about this end of a tier. Joe Mixon kind of represents it. He was the second. He was the 47th pick.

Starting point is 00:31:54 We did not have another running back until 65th, 64th overall. Like an absolutely ridiculous time. No, it makes sense. But Mixon's that last running back. He was the 17th off the board an absolutely ridiculous time. No, it makes sense. But Mixon's that last running back. He was the 17th off the board, I'm assuming. And then a crazy long wait until the next running back, Jonathan Brooks. Now what Jamie did with his next two picks was interesting. I know he loves Dalton Kincaid as tight end five.

Starting point is 00:32:18 So he goes Tyreek Hill, Drake London, Josh Jacobs, Joe Mixon, Dalton Kincaid. And then you took David Montgomery. So that's weird for you to only have two receivers with your first six picks. Did you pull it off? Would you do something differently? Probably not. Just because, again, it's playing the board and not necessarily reaching for players that I don't love. So I think where I did probably make a mistake is taking Mixon instead of Michael Pittman. And I'm not the biggest Pittman guy,

Starting point is 00:32:50 but I think he's for this particular format is probably better than Joe Mixon. So that was one that I kind of looked at and said, maybe we could have gone back and did something a little differently. All right. So you have, I don't like Pittman as a, as a top 20 guy,

Starting point is 00:33:05 but he's in that blob for me. That excellent number three receiver. Well, we can't. All right. So I'm sorry. We're going to be too long here. We're gonna have to figure out a way to,

Starting point is 00:33:14 to make this faster. So here's my, here's my first question for you, or my, maybe my last, what should you do at two overall? Should you take Brees hall or should you take Tyree kill or Bijon or lamb? I think you take the player that you have the most interest in.

Starting point is 00:33:28 You know, if you think you're – look, you obviously would like to try and plan out your first couple of rounds. That's as far as I think you should go if you're thinking about it. But you know who you're drafting with and if you know who you're drafting with and how many players you start in those particular slots, you know, two receivers, three receivers, that's going to matter. For me, it was, I kind of anticipate more running backs being in that range that I like as opposed to receivers.

Starting point is 00:33:54 Now, I'm, based on this, you know, higher on Drake London than everybody because he fell to me. So the fact that that worked out was beneficial. But if he was gone, I probably would have still considered Jalen Waddle, who's my next highest receiver, as opposed to taking another running back. Now he's taking Waddle. I'm not in so much on Evans and, and cup and Adams in that range. And it's too soon from league neighbors. That's why I just went with the next best player, which was Josh Jacobs. Okay. All right. Let's take a break and come back.

Starting point is 00:34:24 We'll talk about teams three and four, Jacob and Dan, and how they built their team. Dan had a really interesting build. And we'll be right back on Fantasy Football today. Dave, what advice would you give to somebody picking third or fourth? Almost the same advice that I would give to the team picking second

Starting point is 00:34:41 is make a list of your top four players, whoever you like best rank them that way and then who's ever available when you're up go get them with your first pick and then uh when you're up in round two you're probably going to see a lot of receivers that you'll settle for if there's only one or two running backs that you like take the running back first and then go with the best available receiver in round three. Okay, so let's make that point, right? Which running backs, if they fell to you at 2.9 or 2.10,

Starting point is 00:35:15 which running backs would you be pumped? We've talked about them already. It's that Kyron Williams, Etienne, Pacheco, Jacobs, Rashad White, James Cook group, but I don't know if White is really in that group. I think it depends on your league. If James Cook is in that group, H-hand might be in that group, but those are going to be the running backs that'll be available. Receivers are going to be probably like London Olave, Nico, Devante, Cup.

Starting point is 00:35:40 So you just have to look at those names at running back and receiver figure out what how many of them you like at each position whichever position you like fewer players in take that position and hope that one of the players at the other position makes it back to you right and when we talk about the value at wide receiver in rounds three and four and five you this gives you you know if you took let's say you took a running back in round one but you don't want to start running back running back still might be your best choice here, you know, if you took, let's say you took a running back in round one, but you don't want to start running back, running back, still might be your best choice here.

Starting point is 00:36:08 You know, like Pacheco and Etienne and Cook and Kyron Williams, they were all off the board by the time we got to Dan's pick in round two. But he took Brees Hall in round one, and then he took Chris Olave in round two. If Pacheco had fallen, he probably,

Starting point is 00:36:21 knowing him, I think he probably would have gone Brees Hall, Isaiah Pacheco. And then his next three picks were Cooper Cup, Rasheed Rice, and Stefan Diggs. And we'd be totally fine with that build, right? With Hall, Pacheco, Cup, Rice,

Starting point is 00:36:32 Diggs? Yeah. I don't know if I would lock into those receivers with each of those picks, but just the build of hero RB and then four wide receivers in a league where you start three wide receivers in a flex, that start three wide receivers in a flex. That's,

Starting point is 00:36:46 that's a great way to go. Dan did a good job. Jamie, it picks three and four. We see Jacob took Josh Allen and Kyle pits in rounds four and five. Dan did not. I don't know what Dan was doing with quarterback. I don't like great weight on quarterback.

Starting point is 00:37:02 I do think that in a 12 team league, you can come away with better than Trevor Lawrence and Justin Herbert. I just don't know that. Like he brought the Rashid Shahid pick and take Dak Prescott. Right. Like it's just, he just went too long on it, but,

Starting point is 00:37:14 and he took Brock Bowers late. So that's why, I mean, I don't know, man, not taking a tight end or a quarterback until round nine. There's no need to be that weak at those positions. What do you think the sweet spot is for quarterback and tight end if you're picking third or fourth?

Starting point is 00:37:29 I think for what he did, again, just swap out Dak Prescott for swap out Rashichi for Dak Prescott, or, you know, if you're in the Caleb Williams camp or, you know, look, I don't I don't necessarily disagree with taking Jalen Warren over Jordan Love. I think that's what he did, right? Or no, Jordan Love went right for Jalen Warren. So he didn't have that option, but he, he had, he and I both did the same thing. We, we just kind of looked at it and said, okay, who's going to blink first?

Starting point is 00:37:58 Because these are the last two teams that don't have one of the 11 quarterbacks, you know? So if you're Williams, if you're Tua, if you're williams if you're tua if you're purdy if you're goff you know whichever is your 12th quarterback um you know you certainly can settle for that but he took it i think just a little bit too far so even after i took dac you know did he need tyrone tracy he could have taken caleb williams he could have taken you know one of the other quarterbacks there as well so unless you're just sold on trevor lawrence and justin herbert he's fine with it wow it's in the chat right now. I also, and I'm probably in the minority on this, but I just can't imagine passing on Lamar Jackson in round five.

Starting point is 00:38:35 Yeah. I understand waiting on quarterback, but round five for Lamar Jackson should be just an auto-click. So he could have taken Jackson in round five, then he wouldn't have Stefan Diggs, and then round six could have had Watson or Worthy. You probably don't want to say that. So they're like, how big is that drop-off?

Starting point is 00:38:57 I don't know. Yeah, no, I agree. Forget about that. I mean, sometimes you just got to take the best player available. Yes. All right. Team five was dave dave uh you started okay so this is an example of what i was talking about you took a running back and then pacheco was the best player available so you have bijan and pacheco and then you hammered wide receiver with four straight wide receivers

Starting point is 00:39:19 so bijan pacheco adams iuk pickens Kirk. We joked yesterday it would be bad for you if Iuke and Pickens ended up on the same NFL team. But in a three-receiver league, you went running back, running back, four receivers. How would you have changed in a two-receiver league? I wouldn't have taken four receivers. I might have taken three receivers. But the same basic strategy. And just going back

Starting point is 00:39:46 to what I was saying earlier, when I was up in round two, the running backs, I really liked were Pacheco Jacobs, um, white Walker, but there were so many receivers left that I would be okay with as my wide receiver one with this type of build. So I'm downgrading wide receivers, not expecting to have a superstar, but I can build out with good wide receivers. And I don't mind the value of what I got with Adams, IU pickings and Kirk. Um, and therefore I took Pacheco and locked up the running backs early on. So we can say what we will about Adams and IU can pick ins and they're flawed, but I got them in rounds three, four, and five. And I thought that that was good value. I think I could have waited another round

Starting point is 00:40:29 on Kirk. We talked about that on, on CBS sports network as well. Um, and then I could have had potentially James Conner and Christian Kirk or James Conner and Jane Reed, uh, instead of having Christian Kirk and Samir white, which is what I ended up with. But those are the types of players that fall into around six and seven in our drafts. You did a nice job here. You got Jordan Love in round eight and David Njoku in round 10. Yeah, let me just point something out. So I pay attention to the other managers when I draft.

Starting point is 00:40:57 Usually when I'm at like pick five, I'm looking toward the teams picking one through four and seeing if I can use their needs against them. But in this draft, for whatever reason, teams six through 12 had quarterbacks before round seven. And so when I was up in round seven and Jordan Love was there, I thought to myself, oh man, I got a great chance of Jordan Love making it back to me in round eight. And that's why I took Zemir White and passed on Love. And sure enough, love made it back to me right in my heart in round eight. And then the same exact thing happened with tight ends. Every team picking six through 12 had a tight end already.

Starting point is 00:41:32 Bowers went right in front of me, Dan snipe me. And it allowed me to take Shakir in round nine and just, you know, lay back in the cut and take David Njoku in round 10. All right, let's talk about team six. This was my team. And a point I'd make here is that at this back in the cut and take David Njoku in round 10. All right, let's talk about team six. This was my team. And a point I'd make here is that at this point in the draft, McCaffrey, Brees Hall, and Bijan Robinson are off the board. One, four, and five.

Starting point is 00:41:52 McCaffrey, Hall, and Bijan Robinson. Only two receivers are off the board as we get to my pick, team six. We are not going to be taking Saquon Barkley as early as his ADP. So in our league, you know, the first 10 picks in our PPR leagues are pretty much going to be three running backs and seven wide receivers. So, um, I'm not afraid to go receiver receiver, but I knew I was going to take Jamar chase once Bijan was off the board. And I figured I was going to take a running back in the second round because that's just, I didn't expect Marvin Harrison or Puka Nakua to make it back to me in round two.

Starting point is 00:42:24 So I went Jamar chase in round one at the sixth spot. Travis Etienne. Malik Neighbors in round three was definitely a tough call. Rashad White was sitting there. That probably would have been a solid pick. But I won't go through everything. I'll just say this. I have been waiting and waiting and waiting on quarterback this year.

Starting point is 00:42:41 I wanted to try something different. And I've been waiting on tight end. I've been in the Kittle, Ingram, Pitts range a lot at tight end. I changed both of that for this team. This is a three receiver league. And I wanted to see if I put more investment into quarterback and tight end, would I like my team? So I took a tight end in round four. That was Mark Andrews and a quarterback in round six. That was Jaden Daniels. And I paired him with Jared golf in round 12, 13, I think whatever.

Starting point is 00:43:08 Yeah. 13. So I do like the team, Jaden Daniels, Travis, ETN, Ramond, Dre Stevenson,

Starting point is 00:43:15 and or Zach Moss, Jamar chase Malik neighbors, Amari Cooper and Mark Andrews at tight end. And then my flex is my flex is probably Zach Moss. I think it worked. I, I think Andrew's pick was end. And then my flex is probably Zach Moss. I think it worked. I think Andrews' pick was great. I don't, and again, I'm just coming back to the same point, I guess. But if you're passing on Lamar Jackson in round five,

Starting point is 00:43:37 like Jaden Daniels in round six seems really early. Do you think it would have been a mistake for me to take Lamar Jackson and Mark Andrews? No, not at all. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, you and I aren't big Derrick Henry guys,

Starting point is 00:43:50 but if people are Derrick Henry fans, they might be nervous about Lamar Jackson and Mark Andrews. Like if I think the argument of taking a running back and wide receiver from the same team, maybe because then you're limiting your upside. Yeah. But Lamar and Andrews is actually increasing your weekly upside and downside but yeah i i think lamar i should have taken them i could have taken lamar jackson ahead of amari

Starting point is 00:44:10 cooper absolutely um so then your team would be chase neighbors and chase etn neighbors andrews lamar christian kirk yeah you wouldn't have taken Watson over Kirk? Not in full PPR, no. Okay. Maybe I... Oh, what if I had taken Zay Flowers if he had been there? He went two picks earlier. Andrews, Jackson, Flowers,

Starting point is 00:44:34 back to back to back. I would never do that. It might be too much purple. I would say... Just my point is that I could have taken a tight end in round four. Dave just did that in a draft.

Starting point is 00:44:44 What's that? I think Dave just did that in a draft. What's that? I think Dave just did that in a draft. Too much purple or too many Packers? Didn't you in the draft-a-thon have all three Ravens? I think I ended up with three Ravens. All right, sorry. Just to wrap that up. I might have had those three exact Ravens,

Starting point is 00:45:00 but it was because Zay Flowers fell too far. And yes, it's still too much purple. Okay. Team six, I could get away with taking a tight end in round four, a quarterback in round five or six, and still come away with a roster that I liked in a three-receiver league. So you can certainly do it in a two-receiver league. Team seven is Heath.

Starting point is 00:45:18 Team eight is Jamie. I did one more quick question on that. How far do you think Daniels would have fallen if you didn't take him there? In round six? He may have made it back to me in round seven. I would not have taken him. Dan, with his philosophy on quarterbacks, I don't think he would have

Starting point is 00:45:35 taken him. Jacob had a quarterback already. Jamie, would you have taken Daniels in late round six or early round seven? At team two? Yeah. You've got love ahead of Daniels anyways, don't you? seven? At team two? Yeah. Yeah. You've got love ahead of Daniels anyways, don't you? What?

Starting point is 00:45:49 I'm sorry? Do you have love ahead of Daniels? I have Daniels ahead of love. So no, because at that point I was chasing receiver more so than I was concerned about quarterback. So you might've Pat. Yeah. You might've been able to get him. All right.

Starting point is 00:46:01 Great. Yeah. I mean, that's something that you just took Daniels too soon. All right. It does. Okay. The, the, does okay the the brother okay okay team seven is heath uh and teammate is jamie and heath started from uh lethal weapon that was what i was doing okay okay okay you guys both started with uh a wide receiver in round one it was saint brown for heath justin jefferson for jam, and then running backs in rounds two and three. It was Cook and Rashad White for Heath. It was Kyron and Ken Walker for Jamie.

Starting point is 00:46:32 So Heath goes St. Brown, Cook, White. Jamie goes Jefferson, Kyron, Walker. And then your next two picks were in some order a quarterback and a wide receiver. Heath went Mahomes in round four and Dell in round five. Jamie went Higgins in round four and Jackson in round five. So this is a three-receiver league where you guys, you have only two receivers through your first five picks. But I love these builds. For Heath, it's Mahomes, James Cook, Rashad White, St. Brown, Tank Dell. For Jamie, it's Mahomes, James Cook, Rashad White, St. Brown, Tank Dell.

Starting point is 00:47:07 For Jamie, it's Lamar Jackson, Kyron Williams, Ken Walker, Justin Jefferson, T. Higgins. And then you guys both got yourself a top eight tight end, Kittle in round six for Heath, Ingram in round seven. You built very similar teams here. I was going to say, it could not be more similar. I was really happy. I only took two wide receivers in the first six picks,

Starting point is 00:47:31 but I was really happy to be able to stack Jaden Reed, Cortland Sutton, Keon Coleman. I think a good combination of floor and upside there. Hopefully, I can find a wide receiver in three and a flex on a regular basis. I think one theme that I'm seeing from this draft is that we are in a world where everybody loves wide receivers and wants to take them with all of their picks. We are not afraid to lean in to the depth of wide receiver in rounds three through six, I'd say, especially, and just take best player available frequently.

Starting point is 00:48:13 Is that a fair statement, Dave? I think Heath's team proves that there's good depth at wide receiver. Do we call this a hero wide receiver build for heath he's got his stud in a munra and then between then he basically said this between tank reed sutton keon coleman he can find two to three guys to start from them each week i think the downfall to that is his his third running back is trey benson his fourth is jaleel McLaughlin. So he's a little bit weaker there and probably weaker at wide receiver overall, certainly compared to Jamie's team at teammate, but just overall the rest of the league because he waited so long to take a wide receiver.

Starting point is 00:48:55 It doesn't mean it's wrong, but it does mean that he's going to have just that little bit of a disadvantage, but he still has the depth. So it's almost like he's got the benefit of having a bunch of wide receivers that can be wide receiver threes. Does he have a wide receiver? That's going to be a wide receiver too. And the price he paid or the exchange for that is he's stocked at quarterback stocked at tight end.

Starting point is 00:49:18 He's got two good starters at running back. He's got one stud receiver. I like that. He leaned into those receivers. Maybe he leaned into them a little bit too late, but still a good group to pick from, given what else he picked. Let's talk about James Cook,

Starting point is 00:49:38 taking him ahead of Etienne and Pacheco. It's quite bold, Heath. Yeah, they're all very, very close to my rankings. I probably at some point should just draft some draft some etn pacheco so i've got a little bit of those guys but i listen i think there's going to be plenty of room for james cook to have close to 20 touches per game and ray davis to touch the ball 10 times per game that's basically what happened when they made the offensive coordinator change last year we talk about a lot about the big role for james cook i think it was actually 21 or 22 touches per game but there were still 10 touches per game for the mix of whoever they had in that rb2 spot um i just think we see i don't

Starting point is 00:50:18 believe in the wide receivers that the bills acquired i expect a career high in catches from james cook and i think it's going to be a more running back centric offense like it was in the last six games. I think there's top four running back upside for James Cook. Jamie, you want to give a real quick answer on this question in the chat from Dave? Why is Jayden Daniels ranked higher than Caleb Williams if Caleb is the number one pick with more weapons? They're rushing.

Starting point is 00:50:44 I mean, Jayden Daniels, I've said this time and time again, he could lead all quarterbacks in rushing yards. He's coming off a thousand yard season at LSU and just can be an absolute stud when it comes to that type of production. So Williams will run too, but just not to the same level that Daniels will. All right, folks, we've got four more teams and three of them have something in common. So we'll talk about that. Just want to remind everybody one more time,

Starting point is 00:51:05 join us tonight or today, 4 to 6 p.m. Wednesday, 4 to 6 p.m. Eastern, Draftathon Show, youtube.com slash fantasyfootball today. So Dave, if you take a look, you're one of these three teams. Teams 9, 10, and 11, all three teams dipped in the tight end pool in round three. They were the first tight ends off the board. They were McBride, Kelsey, and Laporta.

Starting point is 00:51:29 Jacob took McBride in round three. Dan took Kelsey, and Dave took Laporta. So how did they build their teams otherwise? Well, Jacob, I think he went a little bit too zero RB here. He went Garrett Wilson, Debo Samuel, Trey McBride, DK Metcalf, Anthony Richardson.

Starting point is 00:51:49 And his first running back is Jonathan Brooks. Who's now on the pup list. Then his second running back is Raheem Mostert. And then he has Ray Davis, Jalen, right. Ezekiel, Elliot,

Starting point is 00:51:56 Kamani, Vidal. I get just, I don't really, that's just, you like that better. If it's James Connor, then who Brooks?

Starting point is 00:52:05 Absolutely. Yeah. I like it better, but I still Conner? Then who? Brooks. Absolutely. I like it better, but I still think your number three running back should not have been Ray Davis. It should have been... It's his number two running back because Brooks isn't going to be around. Let's just redo it for Jacob. Let's say it's James Conner and then it's Mostert and then it's... Rico Dowdle,

Starting point is 00:52:22 Chuba Hubbard. Yeah, there's just no way that... Let's say it's Rico Dowdle, Chuba Hubbard. Yeah. There's no, there's just no way that let's say it's Ford. Was Ford on the board. Oh yeah. Ford, Dowdle or Hubbard, Ford or Hubbard. I'd have to say, right? Like that would make sense.

Starting point is 00:52:34 I think his number two running back week one is Zeke. He's starting most certain Zeke. I think Zeke's going to have 15 plus touches and probably. Right. But again, and this is what I, I can't reiterate this enough. When we write these stories, it should be in there that don't look at the players, look at the strategy. And so if the strategy is something you want to follow, the strategy is perfect if he has different running backs. Yep.

Starting point is 00:52:57 That's a great way. It could work. It could work. Sure. So again, he went Garrett Wilson, Debo Samuel, Trey McBride, DK Metcalf. He can start all those guys. Anthony Richardson, Jonathan Brooks, let's call that James Conner, and then Raheem Mostert, and then he filled out his roster.

Starting point is 00:53:12 Dan, Dan at Team 10, A.J. Brown, Jameer Gibbs, Travis Kelsey, D.J. Moore, Terry McLaurin. This is a hero RB build with Jameer Gibbs. Again, A.J. Brown, Jameer Gibbs, Travis Kelsey, D.J. Moore, Terry McLaurin. This is a hero RB build with Jameer Gibbs. Again, AJ Brown, Jameer Gibbs, Travis, Kelsey, DJ Moore,

Starting point is 00:53:27 Terry McLaurin, Kyler Murray, Chase Brown is his RB too. He also has Roma Dunzey, Jerome Ford. He has Jerome Ford and Chuba Hubbard. So he's got options early and JK Dobbins. So yeah,

Starting point is 00:53:40 Kyler in round six, Kelsey in round three, Heath, did this team work for Dan? Well, I want to highlight the difference. Like we were just talking about a lot of the running backs that Dan took. We were saying that Jacob could have taken.

Starting point is 00:53:51 I think Dan is much more likely to have a pair of top 30 running backs than Jacob is. I think Jacob is much more likely to have found a top 20 running back or two than Dan is. Like, Jacob took big swings at upside. Dan drafted a bunch of guys that are going to touch the ball, but probably be borderline RB2s. Who's got the better running back group by week eight? So, I was just about to say, say, Dan took the approach of which, look, you don't want to go into it with the uncertain,

Starting point is 00:54:31 but the uncertain is Ford, Hubbard, and Dobbins could be waiver wire guys that he's picking up, but he's getting off to a good start. Whereas Jacob, similar thing. Same thing happened to him, but his start is going to be a little bit sluggish Whereas Jacob, similar thing. Same thing that happened to him. But his start is going to be a little bit sluggish.

Starting point is 00:54:48 Yeah, but okay. Like nobody's, if you're not looking at the draft board, you probably have forgotten who their running backs are. Dan has Gibbs, Chase Brown in round seven, Jerome Ford, Chuba Hubbard, and J.K. Dobbins. Jacob has Jonathan Brooks,

Starting point is 00:55:01 who we said, okay, maybe that's James Conner now. Raheem Mostert, Ray Davis, Jalen Wright, Ezekiel Elliott, and Kamani Vidal. I mean, like, Vidal is the third string running back right now. Zeke, I don't know. He might be the third string running back, too. Jalen Wright, I don't know that there's a scenario

Starting point is 00:55:20 where Jalen Wright's getting a lot of carries. Ray Davis, he's coming off the field for Ty Johnson on passing downs if James Cook gets hurt. I don't know that he's got a single home run there. It's not like Zach Charbonnet is on that team, where I know Zach Charbonnet is going to get a big role. It's not like Blake Corum's on that team. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:55:41 Yeah, I think we just look at these groups of backs completely differently. There's certainly not a home run between chase brown jerome ford and chuba hubbard i mean what if like nick chubb is not it takes him a while to come back what if it's you know eight weeks that he's out i think like just just to go back to what he said i i think jacob's trying to hit home runs but he's trying to do with Ozzie Smith like and like we're forgetting Raheem

Starting point is 00:56:10 Mostert who clearly has more upside than any of you guys. I just want to clarify something you said Heath. You said Jake Dan has guys that are top 30. He's got Gibbs at the top of that, you know, right? No. Yeah, right. Also like you could have just said he's trying to hit home runs with Bobby Witt,

Starting point is 00:56:26 but Ozzie Smith works as well. Well, Bobby Witt hits home runs. I know, but not like Aaron Judge. Not like Aaron Judge. All right. So anyway, Dave, your team is Jonathan Taylor, Puka Nakua, Sam Laporta, Derek Henry, Calvin Ridley, CJ Stroud, Deontay Johnson. Your receivers are Puka, Ridley, and Deontay Johnson.

Starting point is 00:56:46 But you do have Stroud. You do have Laporta. Derek Henry fell to you in round four, so you have him and Jonathan Taylor. This is a pretty interesting build. Do you think that this range, though, 9, 10, 11, is a good time to take a tight end? Do you think it worked for these teams?

Starting point is 00:57:03 I mean, it worked for me because I think I got the best tight end as the third one off the board in late round three, and this is about the point where I'd be comfortable taking Laporta or Kelsey anyway. So I couldn't let Laporta fall to you, Adam, at Team 12 because I felt like with back-to-back picks, you would have used one of them on Laporta. So I felt like it was too good of a value to pass up.

Starting point is 00:57:28 And it changed my entire strategy. I went into this not expecting to get Sam Laporta in late round three. And I certainly wasn't expecting to get Derrick Henry in early round four. And this team should be in the Heath Cummings booklet of snips. Where you go into a draft, you can know all the strategies you want, but you're going to have to zag when the draft gives you a surprise.

Starting point is 00:57:51 And these were two surprises that really changed the way that I went about building my team the rest of the way. And I probably should have prioritized receiver even more than I did after the Henry pick with what instead of Stroud you take instead of Stroud okay because I don't think so I talked about this yesterday and it was better than his ADP was it a big enough steal and I could have had I could have had Kirk there um I'm not the biggest safe flowers guy but I could have had Z there, Jane Reed. I feel like Deontay Johnson

Starting point is 00:58:25 isn't that far off from those guys. And I got lucky to get him to be my wide receiver three, but my wide receivers kind of stink in comparison to a lot of other teams in this Roth in this league. But man, my running backs are big and tough and they're going to score a lot of touchdowns. At least I've got a good wide receiver one in Puka. Uh, and then Sam Laporta at tight end, it's really tough to get any better than him. This is something that I think a lot of people do and we're guilty of it also. Um, I think it happened to me also with, you know, the, the mix and pick and, and, and seemingly with Dave, with the Henry pick, like when you get somebody that's, you know, you feel it's too hard to pass up, it could kind of throw you off

Starting point is 00:59:03 in a way that you, you just have to try and recover in some way, shape or form. And, you know, you feel it's too hard to pass up, it could kind of throw you off in a way that you just have to try and recover in some way, shape, or form. And, you know, so like Dave's taking essentially best player available, right? Because Stroud was best player available for you. Henry was best player available for you. You know, like you're getting good value at these guys, but you're hurting your other, you're hurting, you know, your wide receiver two and your wide receiver three, essentially.

Starting point is 00:59:23 Right. Where am I sacrificing? Right. It's just you're sacrificing, you know, your, your wide receiver two and your wide receiver three, essentially, unless where am I sacrificing? Right. It's right. Right. It's just, you're sacrificing, you know, something. So it's just one of those things like, you know, and Dave just said it, like he knows if his running backs hit, that's his position strength. He knows he's got, you know, one of the top four tight ends, whether he's one or four, he should be in that conversation. He knows he's got a, a, for him, a top five quarterback, you know, so you're getting things that you feel are going to be difference makers. But just understanding, like when these things happen to us, you know, it's like, I don't, I don't love my, my third receiver for team two because I have Joe Mixon. That again, like I said, the Pittman Mixon decision could come back to haunt me for Dave.

Starting point is 01:00:00 Like he said, you know, taking CJ Stroud in that spot after getting Derek Henry and getting the tight end, you know, he fell victim to something that he doesn't necessarily like to do all the time, which is going quarterback tight end in the first five or six rounds. And so it's just, again, you understand what you're doing with the idea of something else is going to be sacrificed. How do you make up for it either later in the draft or off waiver, off waiver? I think Dave made the right call because who's going to, who's more likely to win you your league, CJ Stroud or Zay Flowers, Christian Kirk, Christian Watson, Xavier Worthy. We have to, I don't think that's fair to frame it like that though,

Starting point is 01:00:33 because if it's not CJ Stroud, Dave's a big Jordan Love guy. What if it's Jordan Love the next round? I mean, fine, but obviously he likes, he's a Jordan Love guy. He likes Stroud more. And that's, that's a personal preference, but you might be a little weaker at wide receiver three, Obviously, he's a Jordan Love guy. He likes Stroud more. And that's a personal preference.

Starting point is 01:00:48 But you might be a little weaker at wide receiver three. But we got to remember, your team's going to look so different in week eight than it does now. CJ Stroud. True. Right? Like, CJ Stroud's a centerpiece for you. I think you made the right call, personally. It'll probably end up being just fine.

Starting point is 01:01:04 The other mistake that I think I made, I only drafted four running backs. I who the hell am i taylor derrick henry brian robinson i mean that's in my mind that's a really good threesome at running back and then i took elijah mitchell and we all know what happened to him we did this draft before he went on ir for the year um that could have ended up being i don't know somebody else i don't know who but it's i, I took too many. I put Dalvin Cook there, Dave. You can put Dalvin Cook there. You know, I'll cut Mike Williams and pick up Dalvin Cook. No, no,

Starting point is 01:01:29 just, just swap. All right. So I don't know if I would take Dalvin Cook in round 11. Heath, you know, I asked you this earlier, more likely to take a wide receiver,

Starting point is 01:01:39 a quarterback or a tight end first. But if you have one of these late picks nine to 12 in round one, and you're up in round three and in this world, you know, maybe one anyway, what's a better value there, quarterback or tight end. So I have my homes ahead of the tight ends.

Starting point is 01:01:57 And then I think I have the tight ends ahead of the rest of the QBs or my homes and hurts. And then the tight ends and then the QBs. Okay. And someone asked me, I think it was yesterday on CBS Sports Network, Jamie, we had to fill in the blank. What's the best way to build a team from team 12? So I did not

Starting point is 01:02:12 do this. Even if it is the way to build, again, you don't have to do it. But I said you start your team with running back receiver or receiver, running back, whatever. And then your next four picks, rounds three, four turn and five, six turn in any order. One of them should be a quarterback. One of them

Starting point is 01:02:33 should be a tight end. And the other two should be a running back, two running backs, a combination of running backs and receivers. If you do that at the 12, really, this works for the 11, probably the 10. You're going to get a top six quarterback. You're going to get a top eight tight end for sure. And then you'll have four players that are running backs and receivers. Do you like that just basic strategy late in the draft? Yeah, I mean, I don't want to be beholden to it, just basic strategy late in the draft? Yeah. I mean,

Starting point is 01:03:06 I don't want to, you know, be beholden to it, but it's, it's not a bad thing going in. I have a question for you here. And that question on CBS sports network was half PPR as opposed to full PPR.

Starting point is 01:03:18 What would you have done if Harrison was the 11th pick or Puka was the 11th pick? I guess Harrison would have been here. If Puka was the 11th pick, I guess Harrison would have been here. If Harrison was the 11th pick, would you have gone Taylor Barkley? Okay, yeah. So I took Marvin Harrison and Saquon Barkley. I definitely would have gone Taylor. No, I probably would have gone Taylor and Puka.

Starting point is 01:03:40 I probably would have gone Taylor and Puka. I do like to start running back receiver. I've said this a. I do like to start running back receiver. I've said this a lot. I like to start running back receiver because it gives you more flexibility in rounds three and four, depending on how the draft board falls. Eight teams did that in this draft.

Starting point is 01:03:55 Especially in a two receiver league. Three receiver league, you know, whatever. It's not as important because you can take receivers at three and four and not be like, oh damn, I don't have any running backs. Sorry, I'm rambling. Yeah, that's a great question.

Starting point is 01:04:09 I was happy to get Marvin Harrison. I actually feel like he's a pretty safe pick. And then, yeah, I took Barkley, Camara, and Devontae Smith, Chris Godwin and Joe Burrow. Aaron Jones is my wide receiver three with the last pick of round. This is my running back three with the last pick of round is my running back three of the last pick around seven. And then I took Jake Ferguson. So, you know me at this point,

Starting point is 01:04:28 I really want to top eight tight end. If I don't get it, I'm going to take Jake Ferguson. I have a top nine tight end. I have Joe Burrow, Saquon Barkley, Alvin Camara, Marvin Harrison,

Starting point is 01:04:37 Devante Smith, Chris Godwin, and flex is Aaron Jones or Deandre Hopkins. Um, I like this team. I'm pretty happy with this build. I like it too. I've definitely realized, guys, that I want a top eight pick. But you can certainly make it work for 9 through 12.

Starting point is 01:04:58 The only thing I would have done differently is probably gone receiver, receiver instead of Kamara. Kamara. But you're an Alvin guy. You would have gone... Which receivers would you have taken? Would you have taken Henry? No, I would have taken Matt Caffin-Smith. Matt Caffin, Devante Smith.

Starting point is 01:05:17 Yeah, it's funny. I meant to ask you, Dave. You took Derrick Henry in the fourth round. Most people would have taken him in the second round to get on this team at team 11. Would you have started Jonathan Taylor, Derek Henry in a four? Henry would not have been the running back that I would have chosen if I was dead set on going running back,

Starting point is 01:05:35 running back, which I'll tell you what, let's say you picked at 12. You took Marvin Harrison. If you had taken Puka instead of Saquon, I think I would have taken Saquon and started my team with Taylor and Saquon and then aimed for four straight wide receivers, kind of like what I did in team five. And boy, what a wrench my would have been thrown. A wrench would have been thrown into my plans if Laporta had still been there after I took Taylor and Barkley. Sorry. So my question was a little more broad. For the people that are considering Derrick Henry in round two, Heath, I'll let you talk about this.

Starting point is 01:06:10 It's too soon in early round two. Okay, that's not my question. My question is, for the people considering Derrick Henry. I wouldn't take him at 13. It's way too early. In a full PPR league, of all the running backs going, he's probably going to have, in the first three rounds at going, he's probably going to have, you know, in the first three rounds at least, he's probably going to have the fewest catches.

Starting point is 01:06:28 Is it a mistake to pair him, to pair Derrick Henry with, let's say, Jonathan Taylor or, you know, Kyron? We're not playing in a categories league. Well, but you don't necessarily want to have two running backs that are going to be low in catches do you to start your draft well i like i don't want to take derrick henry in the first three rounds so but that's because of how many points i think i'm going i think he's going to score and because of the risk i think that comes with an older back that's changing teams

Starting point is 01:07:01 but it's i i don don't necessarily look at the percentage of their points that they score based on catches and judge them based on that. No, not at all. Right, but doesn't a running back who doesn't catch a lot of passes become riskier? Because he doesn't have that role. Yeah, I guess I think everybody's got different risk factors,

Starting point is 01:07:29 and his lack of catches and what I think is probably going to be the low in rush attempts over the last six years or five years is certainly he's very touchdown dependent. Yeah. Okay. But I wouldn't view derrick henry different if i had taken jameer gibbs in round one that i would if i had taken jonathan taylor in round one okay fair uh jamie um takeaways you know on team building uh from from our show today would you sum it up i think you think for people that are looking at this

Starting point is 01:08:06 and have these respective draft slots, if you know what you're picking from already, like I said, follow the strategies and see if you agree with it. So if you like the builds of two running backs and two receivers or vice versa, and you think you can pull it off, then that's something you should consider.

Starting point is 01:08:21 If you don't like it, then you can certainly look at a team like, Heath and I are the best example because we have very similar builds at seven and eight. You know, if you're trying to find some sort of difference there, but like you see what Dan did and Dave did essentially, you know, relatively similar builds at four and five. Dan did it with, you know, taking one running back and then four receivers. Dave did it by going two and then four right after that. You could see where the, you know, knowing your league back and then four receivers. They did it by going to, and then for right after that,

Starting point is 01:08:46 you could see where the, you know, knowing your league, how these quarterbacks going to fall. So I think this is the biggest thing is if you're going to look at this, you want to try and find something that works for you. You don't just have to read. If you're pick seven,

Starting point is 01:08:57 read, pick seven, read, pick six, read, pick eight. You know, those are helpful as well.

Starting point is 01:09:00 But just like, again, look at the strategy, look at the bills. Don't look at the players. Oh, you just reminded me. I have to write two articles today. Yeah, we're going to have articles on the website about all of these teams and the analysis of how to build the teams. Final thought, Dave. Number one, don't be so worried about a surprise falling in your lap

Starting point is 01:09:20 and you being paralyzed to whatever strategy that you think is the right thing to do. Team 11 is a good example of what happens when good things happen on draft day and you get a good player past their ADP falling into your lap. Don't be afraid to take those guys and adjust accordingly as best as you can. And just the other point is I still believe, I know that there are only four running backs taken in the middle of round two and six running backs total taken in round two. I still think we're going to see a lot of running backs going in round two. And if you're picking anywhere from six through 12, you can take advantage of that group and you can take a wide receiver first.

Starting point is 01:10:02 Start with that balanced approach that Adam, you talked about it. I talked i talked about it i said eight teams in this league did it go with a receiver and a running back in some order with your first two picks don't reach for the running back if you're in the middle of round one you will love a running back that you find in round two dave was referencing team 11 that was jonathan taylor puka nakua sam laporta derrick henry calvin ridley cj stroud one thing i'll point out, you know, Calvin Ridley, a wide receiver, too. People are going to have different opinions on that. But based on average draft position, that could be George Pickens. It could be T. Higgins.

Starting point is 01:10:37 It could be Cooper. It could be Cooper. So it could be neighbors. I mean, I don't think so. And it could be neighbors i mean i don't think so and it could be rishi rice so like calvin ridley that's the what bothers me about that team is calvin ridley a wide receiver too but i think if you were you know for the people at home are gonna get a better wide receiver too like one that you really love a lot of the time uh and then heath final thoughts

Starting point is 01:11:00 uh i you know i think i came away from this just even more wanting a top four quarterback and a top four tight end. There's running backs and wide receivers in round five and six, but I like a lot. And so if I get a running – I don't care if I start wide receiver, wide receiver, or running back, running back, but if I could get a top four quarterback and a top four tight end and then I'll figure the rest out I like that I felt the same way so good stuff and thank you guys and we'll talk to you all tomorrow we got one entry

Starting point is 01:11:37 already let me just read the review there's already a review okay yeah that's cool this from from Aaron he's the first one to submit it. The CBS Fantasy Football Podcast has been my go-to sports podcast for many years now. They are super knowledgeable about the sport, but very entertaining at the same time. Using Jamie, Dave, and Heath's rankings during a draft feels like a cheat code as I've used their advice to win my home league multiple

Starting point is 01:11:57 times in the past five years, and I couldn't imagine going anywhere else for fantasy talk. And Adam sucks. He didn't say that. He could have. Alright, we'll talk to you tomorrow. And we'll talk to you later today for the Draftathon. 4 to 6 p.m. And we're on CBS Sports

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