Fantasy Football Today - Jeudy Impact, "Breakfast Club," ADP Risers (08/25 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: August 25, 2023

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have ADP risers and fallers based on the latest PPR average draft position from CBS. We'll talk about the Jerry Judy injury. We'll talk about the latest PPR average draft position from CBS. We'll talk about the Jerry Judy injury. We'll talk about the latest on Cooper Cup and Terry McLaurin and Jonathan Taylor. We've got the Fantasy Breakfast Club. I'm raising my fist.

These are players, don't you forget about me, at the end of your draft. Heath, have you seen the Breakfast Club, Heath, before you? I gave you a lot of, a really hard time, I think, last time I was on this podcast over this whole bust, avoid list thing. And it probably ruined like five minutes of the podcast. And I think you were wrong about that. But this is a fantastic, fantastic way to frame it. I absolutely love that.

I'm going to talk about some guys that I haven't talked about yet. It makes sense. It has a pulp call. And of course, I've seen that like seven times. Okay. Yeah, so Fantasy Breakfast for those of you who haven't seen it, the song Don't You Forget About Me is at the very end. It's kind of iconic at this point.

And if you've ever seen Pitch Perfect... Spoiler alert. Oh, yeah. Well, that's not going to tell you what happened. It's just a song. If you've ever seen Pitch Perfect, then she sings that in her little mashup, and her boyfriend puts up his fist. It's a Breakfast Club reference. But first, the stat of the day is Jerry Judy has a hamstring strain.

Over the past two seasons, Courtland Sutton has averaged 15.4 PPR fantasy points per game in 11 games that Judy either didn't play or left after fewer than 20% of the snaps. So if, if Cortland Sutton had done that 15.4 PPR fantasy points per game over a full season, he's wide receiver 15 per game in 2021 wide receiver 14 per game in 2022. And he's caught,

I caught like, I don't know, three touchdowns or something like that in those games. Very low touchdown numbers. But a lot of targets, a lot of yards, and he's just been a much different player with Judy off the field. So as we evaluate that situation, Dave,

what does it mean for drafting Jerry Judy? Timeline uncertain right now. What does it mean for drafting Cortland Sutton? So when I hear multiple weeks for a hamstring injury, I'm assuming that it's a month. And if we're going a month from yesterday, which is when he hurt himself, that would make week three the time that he would be back.

And that would be a game that they have against Miami, not the best matchup. And then things get harder after that for Denver. I'm out on Jerry Judy as a breakout. Obviously, I think that that's out the window. And I'm out on taking him with even because you don't know how hamstring injuries are going to go. This is a player who's already dealt with all kinds of injuries through the early part of his career. All right.

He's not a top 70 pick for me anymore. I think I can find better receivers that are worth taking within the first six rounds of my draft. And on top of that, I'm, I do not feel good about where Denver's offense is right now. I think their offensive lines look terrible this preseason. I don't think Russ has looked particularly great throwing the football. And I'm, I was pretty low on Judy before this injury. Um, so I didn't maybe move him down quite as much as Dave did, but I, I do think I gets real. There's just so many things that have to be overcome. Like we're hoping that Russell Wilson

is better. We're hoping that Jerry Judy is the one who dominates targets, but, and then we're hoping that he can not only get healthy, but then stay healthy for the rest of the season, which he hasn't done very often. So I do think that there's like, there's still breakout potential. I would not be surprised if we get a month of Jerry Judy as a top 15 wide receiver. Cause we had a month of that almost every season of his career but i i'd have no hope that's going to be week 15 16 and 17 i don't think it's going to be week one two and three okay let me spin it a little bit more positively um for judy first of all yeah they haven't looked good this preseason it's concerning there was a i think sean payton said they started to turn the

corner a little bit recently and their offensive line has not looked good. That's concerning. But they added Mike McGlinchey at right tackle, one of the big free agent signings at the position. And he hasn't played all preseason. He has a knee sprain. He's expected to be ready for week one. You can understand some growing pains going into a different system. It hasn't looked good, but it's only preseason.

Judy, yeah, look, I mean, he's not that high on him. A lot of people are very high on him. There are some really good metrics. There are some more concerning things. If you were a Jerry Judy person, I took him yesterday, and I got made fun of it. 60th overall. I had the 12th pick in a draft, and Heath has already talked about the struggles drafting from that spot, and I felt the same way.

I would have taken him at the 3-4 turn if he had been healthy. I like him. I like him. So I took him at the 5-6 turn instead, and people didn't really like it. But I will say this was only a two-receiver, two-running back, one-flex league. I felt like I could gamble a little bit more had it been a three-receiver league. i think it makes more sense to be more bearish on jerry judy but you can kind of take some shots because you can still fill out your roster pretty well and i think i did that so that's where i you know i do want to bring that up maybe that angle of maybe not sinking players as much if you have a small or starting lineup i just wanted to say i looked at the wide receivers in that 30 to 40 range, which is where Judy's going to end up, whether he's at the top of it or at the back of it, I think.

And, like, you're talking about, I want to take a shot on his upside, and I'm willing to absorb the risk. Well, look at the upside of Mike Evans or Mike Williams or George Pickens or Michael Thomas. Like, those are the guys that are going in that range. Yeah. Yeah. You think they have as much upside as Judy? I think they all have. I mean, you know what I'm going to say about this, Adam.

You think a 30-year-old, 31-year-old, whatever he is, Michael Thomas has the same upside that he showed when he was in his prime? You think he could be wide receiver one? I think he has the same upside that he showed last year. Okay. I mean, Judy was a star, basically, at the end of the season. First five games of the year,

Cortland Sutton got most of the targets. That experiment failed, and then it was Jerry Judy's team. And what are the last five games of the year? I don't know what it was. He was just freaking outstanding. He's at that age. He makes sense as a breakout if he could stay on the damn field. I mean, I think he has more upside than old Mike Evans with Baker Mayfield

and old Michael Thomas with Derek Carr, personally. But, okay. Yeah, I mean, I've got him ranked ahead of Thomas still. There's a dip to be had. Did you feel like you did a good job buying the dip on Judy, getting him at the 4-5 turn? Not really. No, the 5-6 turn. I mean, not really, but I knew I wasn't going to get

him at the 7-8 turn. So there will be some people who think like you that want to buy into Judy maybe as a second half of the season breakout. Hey, look, things could come together in Denver just because they look bad. Now you mentioned it with the offensive line.

That doesn't mean that it's going to be permanently messed up, but it could mean that it's going to be an issue for September and it could bleed in October. Potentially that could happen. And by the time Judy's back, things are working again. And Sean Payton has sprinkled his magic pixie dust on everybody and they're looking good. If that's the case, then you might be okay taking him at 60th overall. I would try and be a little greedy because I'm worried about that upside actually existing for Jerry Judy.

So if I'm buying the dip on him, it's gotta be around seven. Uh, I don't mind if it's toward the beginning part of round seven, but I'm thinking about 15 spots after where you took him at him. Totally fair. Heath, I know you wanted to get a word in there. I'll let you get that. And I'm just saying, you call them second half breakout. I mean, there's a possibility he misses two games. I think it could be a longer, you know, a bigger stretch. Yeah. And I'm going to do my thing that I do where I take something that I saw on Twitter and don't give the person credit who said it. But it was one of the football guys, injury expert Hutchison, I believe. And he said 26% decrease in fantasy production, I believe, for players in their first week back off of a hamstring injury, a long-term hamstring injury. And if it's an absence that

takes more than a month, then that decrease generally lasts up to three games, not one game. So I'm not looking at it as when will Jerry Judy be back on the field from this hamstring injury. If this is costing him weeks of the regular season or a week of the regular season, then I'm presuming his first game back is not a game that we're going to want to start him. Sure. So let's just say he misses the first three weeks and week four Denver plays at Chicago. It seems like that's going to be a favorable matchup. Although the bears do actually have some nice young cornerbacks, but he won't be at a hundred percent for that game. The four games after that jets, chiefs, Packers, chiefs,

then a buy. Then the bills. These are tough defenses and it, it makes, it's going to make me nervous to expect even like top 15 type numbers. I mean, which defenses are you worried about? You're worried about the,

the absolutely the jets and the Packers and the bills. I mean, okay. And I, I think the chiefs defense could be. I'm going to give credit now. I found it. It's Adam Hutchison.

So thank you, Adam. First game back, fantasy points dropped by 26% on average. Wide receivers who miss five plus weeks saw linger effects with a 12% drop in production for the first three games back. That's good stat. All right. We can wrap up on this. I want to ask you, is Cortland Sutton a must-start wide receiver until Jerry Judy's back?

I don't mind him as a number three receiver to begin the year. The reason I hesitate is because you were still drafting him in round eight. So I'm not going to start him probably over Jahan Dotson. I'm probably not going to start. So there's a good chance I already drafted three wide receivers before I drafted him. So I don't know that it'll be a must start wide receiver. I think you keep his name in mind if you don't

draft three wide receivers with your first seven picks. Right. And once you get to that 8, 9, 10 range, you know that that's a name in the back of your mind that you could dial up to be your starter at wide receiver to begin the year. But again, you're counting on this Broncos offense. I talked about how they might be better in the second half of the year. I don't know how good they're going to be week one against Vegas. I know that that seems like a good matchup, even though Max Crosby against that offensive line.

Oh, man. I mean, if I can't, they're going to be bad against Vegas now. I mean, well, they were bad against second team defenses in the preseason. So maybe they come out and they just, you know, dazzle our pants off. But I'm nervous about them. Okay. It's less about Vegas. It's more about the Broncos.

I understand. Sorry about that. So what about Russell Wilson? Is he off your board? And then what about Greg Dulcich? Where did I move Russ to? Russ is already buried for me. I'd rather draft Kyler Murray and stash him on my IR.

I'd rather take the chance and see what I have with Jordan Love, Derek Carr, Jared Goff, Stafford. Pickett? Pickett is one spot behind Russ as of now. That's a move I could see myself making. Take the chance on Pickett over Russ. Russ is pretty much a two QB only guy for me. Okay. And then Dulcich is interesting because we've already seen the Broncos lose a

bunch of receivers. This preseason, Tim Patrick's out, KJ Hamler's out, and now Judy's out. So Marvin Mims is a name we need to talk about to the top of the, don't you forget about me rankings. Absolutely.

But I think Dulcich belongs in that group too, because they could just, a, what I, what I think they might do is play more two tight ends, but he's not the typical, he's not the old school tight end. He's a new school tight end.

He can run routes. Yeah. And the athletic yesterday, someone that might be worth drafting and stashing a A good second tight end, if you will. The Athletic yesterday said Greg Dulcich will... I don't know if this was... I read it yesterday. I don't know when they wrote this. Greg Dulcich will remain the top tight end target

and it wouldn't be surprising to see him end up as the team's third leading receiver behind Sutton and Judy. Heath, any thoughts on Mims and Dulcich? Yeah, very excited about mims as a potential last round or two guy who especially in best ball where you don't have to decide when to start him i've already seen some stuff i made this comparison when he was drafted but he can do some of the deep stuff that tyler lockett's done when russ spins out of the pocket and starts running this way or that mims is the guy that i think he finds deep down the field that somehow the defense just forgot about. Nobody's been 20 yards of him. So I do expect Mims to have a big pop game

or two. I don't know that he's going to be a reliable starter though. Back to Dulcich, the first four games of the year for the Broncos, Raiders, like we mentioned, the Commanders after that, the Dolphins, and then the Bears Bears these are teams that haven't necessarily been great covering tight ends it is a favorable schedule early on for Dulcich all right why do I love Jerry Jude I'm just gonna last five games of the year he was on pace for 112 catches 1,557 yards, 10 touchdowns. What was his pace before then? What's that? What was his pace before then? Well, I'm not going to tell you that.

I will tell you that. He left three of those games with an injury. He was on pace for 58 catches, 874 yards, and five touchdowns. He left three of those games with an injury. I already told you. And he had to wrestle control of the targets from Cortland Sutton. I've got so many stats on Jerry Judy. This is one of my most Acer-statted players.

Okay, hold on. It's alright. We don't have to keep belaboring you. I can move on. Can I steal one more thing from... Go ahead, Dave. Eight games. His first eight games. One of those eight he left after 10 snaps. Maybe we can weed that one out. 64 catches, 954 yards, six touchdowns.

That's his pace, right? That's his pace. If you take out the game he left, you're over 1,000 yards. And like I said, he got better and better as the year went on, as Cortland Sutton got worse and worse. So if you buy into Judy, you buy the narrative that he wasn't the number one target at first. And then they said, all right, this guy needs to be our number one

target and Wilson started throwing him ball more what were your thoughts on Anthony Richardson last night I got so excited excited so do you see the guy run yeah he's exciting yeah like he is and they're not even like designing a bunch of

run plays for him because it's the preseason they don't want him to get hit Philadelphia played their second team defense but they blitzed over and over He is, and they're not even designing a bunch of run plays for him because it's the preseason. They don't want him to get hit. Philadelphia played their second team defense, but they blitzed over and over and over again, which you have to assume the Colts asked them to do since the Colts head coach was just in Philly last year. And listen, Richardson made some terribly dumb plays and some bad throws. And then he made some plays like, oh, wow. And when he runs with the ball it is like i hesitate to say how excited i get i i am fully on board with my prediction i don't even think it's bold if he plays 17 games this year he's breaking the record for rushing yards for a quarterback in a season

he's the greatest athlete ever to play quarterback paired with a coach who's going to draw up 10 run attempts a game for him. The only thing that keeps him from breaking that record is injury. Okay. He might, if he plays 17 games, he might run for more yards than he's going to throw for. No, not quite. He was 6 of 17 for 78 yards with 38 rushing yards.

He also had a 15-yard carry called back. So his rushing was unbelievable. But 78 passing yards on 6 of 17 in one full half against backups. Dave, did you share Heath's excitement? I do, because I think that he not only ran the ball well, he was really, really comfortable in the pocket. When they did bring the blitz, he would step up. He didn he was really, really comfortable in the pocket when they did bring the blitz, he would step up. He didn't panic throw. He didn't, you know, drop to his knees and just,

you know, absorb a hit and be in the fetal position like a little baby. Um, he, he looked poised and I only counted three bad reads. I watched the film this morning, three bad reads, but eight off target throws. And that's going to be the whole thing with him is how many times are we going to watch him throw to somebody who's covered or open and he's off target or they've got to adjust to it. Like it's, it's going to be kind of ugly to watch him. So we might be at a point where when Richardson drops back to pass and you don't think he's going to run, just cover your eyes. Or maybe you hear the announcer say Richardson's taking off and then you can look again. Um, I, I was thinking during the game last night, the idea of him averaging

225 yards per game is so preposterous now. And now like he was on pace yesterday for 160, 156 yards. That might be a better representation of his which we know is good enough for qb7 absolutely the other side to it is this the other side to it is this they said after the game that they were not interested in taking check down passes so he was he was purposely throwing deep and it seemed like they wanted to try and connect on some deeper throws a lot of the deeper throws were not pretty at all but i i think that in a in a regular season game when they're going to game plan properly we'll see him be a little bit better of a passer and he was already making good decisions mostly in this game. So I'm pretty enthusiastic about him.

Is he going to set the rookie rushing record? That I don't know. Not rookie. I'm sorry. Did I say rookie rushing record? I meant quarterback rushing record. Whichever one you meant, I'm still going to say I don't know. I don't think he's going to set the rookie rushing record.

That would be a bridge too far. Maybe $1,800 or something. But there were times where he reminded me of Cam Newton. There were times he reminded me of Ben Roethlisberger. He still has potential. His footwork has gotten better, I think. We'll just see. He threw across his body a lot.

It was weird. Go ahead. Heath, get in there. Go ahead. Thank you. The one thing I want to respond to from the chat is somebody said a guy who's not played in the NFL yet is the greatest ever at something. And what I said was he's the greatest athlete to ever play quarterback. And what I should have said is he's the greatest athlete to ever test at the combine.

Because athleticism is not tested on the field. It's tested by how athletic you are in terms of your 40-yard dash, in terms of your leaping ability. And that's just a fact. He is the greatest athlete to ever test as a quarterback at the NFL combine. If he has that and he is a willing rusher, which we know that he is. And the thing I was, I think you hit on Dave,

the difference between him and Justin Fields in a positive way, because Fields was much better in college as a passer than Richardson. Richardson's pocket presence, I think is already better than Justin Fields pocket presence last year. I don't think Richardson's going to have the same problem taking sacks that Justin Fields has had early in his career. I thought you were about to say Justin Fields is a rookie, and to that I would have absolutely agreed with you. Even if I'm not ready to agree with you on what you just said, the bottom line is that Richardson does seem prepared for the onslaught of blitzes that the Colts are about to face. And how about a little bit of kudos for the offensive line?

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Alright. Don't you forget about me. Dave, you have a name on here data sourced from the ORCGA 2023 Dirt Report. All right. Don't you forget about me. Dave, you have a name on here that Heath said maybe a little too early. I kind of agree. I don't know that he's in the Breakfast Club anymore, but Jalen Warren. Yeah, especially after yesterday.

Don't you forget about moving him up on your draft board, I guess. You could talk about that. You have Jalen Warren, Roshan Johnson, Kenneth Gainwell, and Jawan Johnson. That's your breakfast club. I used to steal Jalen Warren in the double-digit rounds. I don't think he'll quite go there anymore.

I think he's going to show up as a top 100 pick, and I'm on board with it. I think Warren's got a chance to certainly carve out a passing downs role with the Steelers, but maybe even get some run because he's just a little bit faster, a little bit quicker, a little bit more sudden than Najee Harris is. And he's really shown out in the preseason. I expect him to still get some good work. And we've seen Najee miss time before, or maybe not miss time, but certainly play hurt. The Steelers might not hesitate. If Najee isn't efficient or if Najee is not playing anywhere close to a hundred percent,

they might just let Jalen Warren take over this thing. It reminds me of when Willie Parker got the opportunities to do exactly that. He was a little guy for the Steelers and he ended up having a really nice year. You guys have drafted with me a bunch. How many times have I not drafted Jalen Warren in our mocks? What's the earliest you're willing to go on him? The earliest I'm willing to go with him is late round eight. Okay. Um, Roshan Johnson, Kenneth Gainwell and Jawan Johnson. So Roshan's in the exact same boat as Jalen Warren, except the difference is that I'm rather confident that Roshan Johnson can be a league winner in the last third of the season and maybe even the last half of the season. I love the way that he plays.

I know the coaching staff in Chicago loves him too. And Khalil Herbert's good, and he's going to be their starter. And I know Matt Eberfluch has talked him up in Chicago, but I think Roshan's where they're eventually going to go. He did. He's done everything great so far in the past season. I would take Warren over Roshan, but they're literally back to back in my rankings. They're both top 100 picks. Gainwell just makes sense for me as, as a running back and a great running offense. Philadelphia's got the great offensive line. I wouldn't expect him to get many touchdowns. DeAndre Swift's already being talked about as a tremendous passing downs back. Are they going to put a lot of carries on him from

week to week as well? Rashad Penny's had a couple of nice runs this preseason. No guarantee he makes the final roster for the Eagles. I don't know why I said Seahawks, for the Eagles rather. I don't know why I said Seahawks because he used to be a Seahawk. I think Gainwell, just by nature of the fact that he could be the healthiest of those three running backs in Philly, makes him someone worth keeping on a bench. He's a round 10 pick for me. Jawan Johnson's also a round 10 pick. There's been a lot of great buzz about him in New Orleans if an injury were to befall Thomas or Olave there I would expect Jawan Johnson to really see a good target share three of the last four years the tight end has gotten at least 23 percent of the targets from Derek Carr so that he's got a

track record of looking for that position we know that Darren Waller was that guy Jawan Johnson is not Darren Waller but I think he Jawan Johnson is not Darren Waller, but I think he could still end up getting 19, 20% of the target share if things break right for him. Another tight end that you could actually begin with as a streamer, he's taking on the Titans in week one, Carolina in week two. I don't know that you have to draft Jawan Johnson in the 10th round. He went in the 12th round in our draft yesterday. I haven't seen him really go in the 10th round,

but I do draft him a lot as well, Dave, let's put them in the breakfast club. Heath, what would you like to say unless you'd like to get into your breakfast club? Yeah, I struggle with the Juwan Johnson one. First off, I think the one thing Dave said about Gainwell is I'm not so sure he won't be their short yardage back. He's got nine rushing touchdowns on 121 carries. Like he has scored at touchdowns at a much higher rate than Swift. And we saw Swift was not viewed as a good option and short yardage last year by the lions.

So I think Gainwell's upside is, is pretty significant. If that happens, we could find out in a week, if that's what they decide, because if they let go of penny, that tells you exactly the role that Gainwell could get. And then with Juwan Johnson, is the 20% target share if Michael Thomas is healthy? Because I have a hard time. I think the running backs probably get a 20%

target share. And Chris Olave and Michael Thomas are both going to be over a 20% target share. And Chris Olave and Michael Thomas are both going to be over a 20% target share. You know, I think you lower that to 15 or 16% if Thomas is healthy. And then the other thing, have you done projections for the Saints, Dave? I don't, I think I might've for Camara. Because I think the most difficult thing for me as somebody who kind of leans on what a team has done in the past, especially when the coaching staff is the same, is projecting. We talk about the Falcons and the Titans and the Bears and these super run-heavy teams. Are they going to throw enough to support their pass catchers? The Saints, since Drew Brees fell off a cliff, have been extremely run heavy and i like 510 515 pass attempts and so i don't know that i expect a big change from that with the emphasis they put on adding running backs to go along with alvin

camara and still planning on having tasin hill has him he'll be a start of that a part of that plan like i i think it's hard to project them to be pass heavy. Who's in your breakfast club, Heath? My breakfast club is just a little bit bigger than Dave's, although I would agree with Kenneth Gainwell for sure and Roshan Johnson. I've got Kyler Murray. We talked about him on the most recent podcast. He seems to be available at the end of all of our one quarterback drafts

and going like QB 22 or all of our one quarterback drafts and going like QB 22 or something in our super flash drafts. So yeah, I guess there's a chance that he just sits out the entire year, but I'm willing to weigh that against the upside of Kyler Murray, potentially being Kyler Murray in the second half of last year. And Oh, wow. You just found a top six fantasy quarterback. Um, would you, he say that you would only draft him if you have IR spots? Or would you draft him if you've got, would you put him in a bench spot? I mean, I think that depends. I can't, do we have any leagues that don't have IR spots? We do not. I'm trying to think if I've even. We don't recommend that. We think people should have at least two IR spots. I guess if you were in a

short bench league with only five bench spots and you didn't have an IR spot, then I probably wouldn't draft him. I agree. I don't think I have any leagues like that. The running backs are just a couple of backups. Tajay Spears, who I talked about as one of my wow guys on Monday, has just looked fantastic

anytime he's gotten the ball. And who knows? He might have that Dontrell Hilliard role from a year and a half ago where he happens to catch 40 passes as well. They're talking about using him more in the passing game. And then Keontae Ingram, kind of the forgotten man behind the 28-year-old injury-prone running back. Ingram looks like the RB2 in that Arizona offense.

And yeah, they're going to be terrible, but he's available at the last round of the draft. And if Connor gets hurt, he's getting 18 touches a week. Okay. Kyler Murray, Tajay Spears, Keontae Ingram, go on. We talked about Marvin Mims. I'd throw Jonathan Mingo, who has a similar ADP in that same range. We don't know the status of DJ Chark's hamstring injury.

Adam Thielen's 100 years old. Chris Towers has made a really good point about the fact that Mingo was not able to dominate targets on a team that didn't have any other NFL wide receivers. Well, he might not be playing with any other NFL wide receivers this year as well. That was the most recent observation that Chris made. And then the tight ends, Chig Okonkwo, I've come back around on him after the Traylon Burks injury and the fact that he's playing 100% of the snaps in the one tight end sets, which is not something he was doing last year. And then Irv Smith, just an end-of-the-draft free guy who should see five to six targets a game. Dave's Breakfast Club.

Jalen Warren is not going to be there late, but get him anyway. Roshon Johnson, Kenneth Gainwell, Juwan Johnson. Heath has Kyler Murray, Tajay Spears, Keontae Ingram, Marvin Mims, Jonathan Mingo, Chico Conquo, and Irv Smith. News and notes,

other than Jerry Judy, Cooper Cup thinks he'll be ready for week one. Terry McLaurin may not be ready for week one, according to Adam Schefter. Miami has made at least one trade offer for Jonathan Taylor, according to the Miami Herald. So you got to be, I guess, a little cautious, but they go so late drafting Jeff Wilson and Raheem Mostert,

because the Dolphins have seemed like they're kind of in on running backs, but almost all of them are gone at this point. Wasn't there a report that they even tried to see if they could get Josh Jacobs from the Raiders? Yeah, yeah. So they've been linked to Dalvin Cook. There's nothing. All these guys.

Okay. Jordan Roderick of The Athletic thinks that Rams running back Kyron Williams could be more involved in the passing game. Says Kyron Williams has had an excellent camp, but also that the Rams want to see if lead back production is possible from Cam Akers. What do you make of that, Dave? Kyron Williams was a good passing down back at Notre Dame and

certainly could fill that role. We were talking about him last year as potentially a member of the Breakfast Club and then he got hurt and so we dropped him. I think that you could look at him in deeper leagues as a good late round pick. Okay. Does that role

exist in the Rams offense? It might, because I don't know if acres can do it and they might need somebody to be available for checkdowns with their offensive line. Yeah. They never, the bad news for Tyler Higbee, if he doesn't have that role anymore, because he's been the check down guy the last couple of years.

Well, they need multiple check down guys. The Texans need a lot of help. Still have not declared a starting quarterback. It seems like it's going to be CJ Stroud. He keeps playing with the ones, but they haven't officially announced it. Jets wide receiver.

Alan Lazard is expected to be ready for week one. The Cardinals acquired quarterback, Josh Dobbs from Cleveland for a fifth round pick. And if, oh, I had a question for you. If we're downgrading Joe Burrow, I don't know how much you are downgrading Joe Burrow

because of the calf injury, but I think fantasy drafters are downgrading Joe Burrow. Why isn't anyone downgrading Jamar Chase or Tee Higgins? This team does not look like it has a very good backup quarterback situation right now. And yeah, I'm just wondering, you know, we really haven't brought that up since the Burrow injury.

Should we be downgrading Chase and or Higgins? I'm less concerned about Burrow missing time than I am about Burrow not being quite as effective and just not running at the start of the year. He had five rushing touchdowns last year. That was a big part of his fantasy production. Yeah. I'm not worried yet.

Okay. Good story from The Athletic where they asked the beat writer for basically a fantasy spin for every team. So I picked out, I don't know, about half the teams

and we could just, let's just go real quick here and you give me your reaction. Cleveland, expect a lot of quick, safe targets for both Elijah Moore and David Njoku.

Yep. Elijah Moore is another PPR Breakfast Club member. All right. He should have been on the list. Some tight ends. Dallas. Jake Ferguson could have a fantasy impact. Detroit.

Sam Laporta might already be Jared Goff's number two target. Denver. I already read this one. Greg Doltzitz will remain the top tight end target, and it wouldn't be surprising to see him end up as the team's third leading receiver. And then Green Bay. Luke Musgrave will be a matchup problem for defenses and one of Jordan Love's favorite targets.

So positive stuff on Ferguson for Dallas, Laporta for Detroit, Dolcich for Denver, Musgrave for Green Bay. Heath, that's a tier right there, basically. What do you think of that group? Well, this goes back to a point that Dave first made, I think, on FFT like three or four years ago with the connection between running back targets and tight end targets and one spiking and the other one dropping off. And

it's interesting looking at all these tight ends. Like, does Sam Laporta have a chance to see more targets than Jameer Gibbs? Is Greg Dulcich going to impact the pass-catching running back situation for the Broncos with Sean Payton, who's had that Alvin Kamara role? Does Luke Musgrave make it to where Aaron Jones is not the number two target on his own team for the first time in four years? Or do all these guys probably not matter except for his streamers? That's how you draft them. You draft them as streamers slash blue chip guys

that you're hoping turn into something and can help your team by October. And I think Laporte is the best of the bunch. Dulcich would be behind him. Ferguson after that, and then Musgrave bringing up the rear. All right. For the Colts, Josh Downs has had a good camp. He had a bad drop. He had a bad drop yesterday.

That was a bad drop. Would have made Richardson's numbers look better. Yep. Jacksonville. Calvin Ridley could return to being a true number one wide receiver this season.

Love him. Been loving him since the offseason started. Is he the easy wide receiver to take once Smith, Olave, and Higgins are off the board and when the Keenan Allen,

Christian Watson, Hopkins, et cetera group starts going to take more? I'm more excited about him now than, and Higgins are off the board and when the Keenan Allen, Christian Watson, Hopkins, etc. group starts going to Tim Moore? I'm more excited about him now than I am Higgins. He is 14th for me. He is behind Waddle, Olave, and Devontae Smith. I've still got Higgins ahead, but then I've got Ridley next. One thing I want to go back, and I've not had time to do this, but there was,

there was a very, very small sample size of Calvin Ridley being a number one wide receiver. Like you say, get back to being a true number one wide receiver. His best year was with Julio Jones. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Uh,

you look at his numbers though, the, that year, cause Julio was, that was a year Julio missed a lot of time. I think he scored a bunch of touchdowns, right? No,

it was funny. I think his touchdowns went down but his target shit because you know that's what just happens with the Matt Ryan number one receiver but his target share his yards I mean his involvement went way up when Julio wasn't there I mean I can give you the numbers if you care yeah okay um let's see if we could talk to Matt Ryan, we should ask him about that. Yeah. Okay. Ridley in 2020. That was Ridley's big year, right?

17.2% target share. Or was it 2019? No, 2020. He was a top five receiver. With Julio Jones on the field, 17.2% target share, 19.9% target per route run rate. Those aren't great numbers with him off the field oh no shoot damn it what did you do so i'm gonna i'm gonna look this up dave and

we'll talk about it on a future podcast when we have the numbers i'm sorry i don't know but i do remember there was something about maybe maybe it was the target share spiked and the efficiency really just fell apart i don't remember it was one of, maybe it was the target share spiked and the efficiency really just fell apart. I don't remember. It was one of those two. Could you bring it up on the mailbag, Adam? I got it, I got it, all right. 2020, Ridley had a 17.2% target share

and a 19.9% target per route run rate with Julio Jones on the field. With him off the field, he had a 28.6% target share and a 29.3% target per outrun rate. Basically, those numbers went up 10 or 11% with him off the field. Still terrific, though, with him on the field. His numbers were better than his target share.

He made a lot of big plays. So did you know that Christian Kirk's numbers last year were the best numbers that a wide receiver has ever had? Ever, ever ever ever had under doug peterson yeah i didn't know that you did you said of course you know that oh you said that yeah i remember you saying that right so the the thing that holds me back from putting ridley even higher is that i think that he'll be reined in on the target per route run rate and the target share and might be right around like 21, 22%, but he's still going to be explosive and defenses aren't going to be able to

just double team Ridley and say, all right, we're, we're good. Like Jacksonville was a functional passing offense last year without Calvin Ridley, even in the stadium. I think he's going to have some really good numbers.

He will finish as a top 15 wide receiver. All right. Did you want to finish some really good numbers. He will finish as a top 15 wide receiver. All right. Did you want to finish, Heath? No. Okay. Kansas City. Richie James has the talent to be an effective slot receiver along Sky Moore. When you see that, does it make you hesitate on Sky Moore?

I think that means because Sky Moore is going to be playing all downs and Richie James is going to come on the field when there's three receivers. Exactly. It's the way I read that. Yep. Okay. Josh Palmer for the Chargers. Josh Palmer appears to be ahead of Quinton Johnston. Should we take Johnston off our board? That surprises me.

Man, that doesn't really... Yeah, I don't think you should take him off your board, but he's probably... What's his ADP? Maybe round 10-ish. I think that's fine. There's no floor expectation with a round 10 wide receiver. You're just drafting for upside, and Johnston has that.

It's just another player that you're going to have to be patient with. Minnesota. The Vikings are committed to giving Alexander Madison an every down workload. He's like a round six pick. They've treated him like that this whole offseason and preseason and training camp. Ty Chandler had a chance to try and make some inroads on taking work away from him. I think he's done a decent job of it. I would imagine he's just the next man up behind Madison. I've moved Madison back up in my rankings.

He's probably a top 15 running back. I can double check it real quick, bringing up the rankings. Here it is. 18, but around four or five pick somewhere in that range in PPR. Madison's another one of these running backs along with Miles Sanders and was David Montgomery, him down who i've i've just have ranked too high above where they get drafted that would be the only reason i would move madison down i think he should be an early round four pick okay um jamal williams will be the rb1 for the first three games but kendry miller will have a role can you trust either of them in their first three games? Can you trust either of them in week one

against Tennessee? Great run defense. Touchdown or bust running back for Jamal. There's no way you're starting Kendry. Philadelphia. Draft Dallas Goddard was the headline there. And DeAndre Swift is the

most likely running back to grab hold of the reins, end quote. And the article said Goddard has been dominant throughout the summer and looks like a lock to outperform that draft status. Miamisburg, Ohio. 3-4-3-5-3 or whatever it is. He does have more seasons with more than three receiving touchdowns than Darren Waller.

Okay. He's a guy I'm afraid I'm too low on. I draft Darren Waller, Dallas Gardert in round seven, and he's a guy I'm afraid, because really all he has to do is what he did last year, stay healthy and have,

not score a bunch of touchdowns, just score five or six, and he's tied in three. Would you say that he's safe? I would say that he's safe. I would say that he's safe. I don't think he's got like, he'll have a couple of spike weeks. That's what he had last year, but so many games in 2022 with 13, 11, 12, 12, a couple with nine, one with 10.

These are PPR points per game. This is a tight end. He's obviously the solution if you don't want to go and stream the position and you can get him at a pretty decent value on draft day. Just understand he's not going to be one of the high volume target guys unless something

happens to Smith or Brown. But he could be a thousand yard receiver with those guys healthy. I don't think he can. He was on base for 980 yards last year. That's not a thousand. Yeah. It's just weird because I brought this up,

but before Dallas Goddard's injury, Devante Smith was, I think the number 35 wide receiver in fantasy after Dallas Goddard's injury, Devante Smith got going. We didn't really get any sample of healthy Jalen Hurts because he was hurt when he came back, and Goddard and, you know, like healthy Goddard with the breakout Devontae Smith.

I just don't know. I don't know what carries over. You know, did Devontae Smith just kind of take more targets when Goddard got hurt, And then now all of a sudden, okay, he's a star. So that's going to hurt Goddard. I don't know what's going to happen there,

but I was on Smith. Was it Devante Smith target worth as much as a Dallas Goddard target last year? You know what? I don't know. The first two thirds of the season. It was not, I'm not sure.

I mean, it just, it sounds to me like a situation I understand because because Devontae Smith is a potential future star why we would make an exception to this. But it sounds a lot to me like a situation where Devontae Smith's targets went up because Dallas Goddard got hurt. Right, but his targets did not go down.

They don't keep that or stick with it. They did not go down when Goddard came back. Right, exactly. And now they've added DeAndre Swift to the offense. That's going to be another short area pass catcher. I know for a fact that a Dallas Goddard target is worth more than a DeAndre Swift target. Yeah, but it's harder to throw to Dallas Goddard than it is to throw to DeAndre Swift. I mean, it's like you probably...

No, I mean, Dallas Goddard's not catching passes out of the backfield. These are dump-offs. These are screen passes. He catches short throws, too. I know, but... I think he has a higher catch rate last year than Swift. Alright, look. If you... Okay, moving on. Okay, moving on to

Pittsburgh. George Pickens has significantly expanded his route tree. So, is everyone in on the Pickens train? I think I might be the only one. I want some Pickens. What does in mean?

Round six. That feels a little rich. Adam's out now. Actually, he went in the middle of round seven. Round six? That feels a little rich. Adam's out now. Actually, yeah, well, he went in the middle of round seven. Yeah, you could probably find him in round seven. What's his ADP? Look up his ADP.

I bet you can find him in round seven, maybe round eight. I'm good in round seven. Round seven, yeah. All right, so if I got to reach a little bit for Pickens in round six, I'm happy to do it. I think. Pickens or Judy. Awesome. Pickens.

It's not even a question now. It was a question before. All right. Uh, I moved Pickens up a little bit. I moved all the Steelers up a little bit. Or not all of them, but Johnson and Pickett and Pickens last night or this morning. But still, I've not... He's still pretty much all the highlights you're seeing of George Pickens are the same highlights as last year. It's him running down the sideline with a defensive back

running right next to him and him manhandling that defensive back. Oh, that's a bad thing? No, but it's not a... No, I get it a 99% of the NFL receivers. That's not a successful recipe for a top 24 receiver. No, but he was already a very good contested catch receiver last year. I would not be surprised if he sees an uptick in targets. I think he's going to separate better this year. He's not going to turn into Jamar Chase, but he's going to be a very, very productive receiver this year.

And so happy to take him around six and take him ahead of Deontay Johnson. It's not even so much. I don't know that it's a George Pickens criticism. I'm not saying that he can't. It just seems like there's not. Can we get him a few slants? Can we take one of those to the house

in the first preseason game? Yeah, it was a deeper slant. It wasn't short. Can we get him some layups? The deep press was bad. Just some easy catches. Right. But Mike Evans never has those.

Well, I wouldn't say that. But Evans doesn't really have a lot of those. He didn't last year. He will this year. That's a reason to be kind of encouraged by Evans. Oh, speaking of which. We've talked about in Tampa. They're going to move him around more.

Baker isn't going to throw deep as much to him as Brady did. He'll have some shorter throws. Evans is another name that I keep in my back pocket as a number three receiver that people are passing over because he's old. Yeah. Speaking of which, the Tampa Bay beat writer said Mike Evans could

be more productive with Baker Mayfield than he was with Tom Brady. Now that's a little crazy to believe, unless we're talking about 2022 Tom Brady. So the theory was Tom Brady would spread the ball around. I think go through his reads more. Baker might just lock in on Evans, maybe Godwin as well. And the target. We've seen that with the impact Baker can have on a number one wide receiver.

I can just really force feed them targets. All right. And then the last note. I was throwing really force feed them targets. All right. And then the last note, I want to shy Smith over DJ more last year. I wanted to bring up DK Metcalf, Seattle, DK Metcalf is Gino Smith's go-to guy. And the connection should be better this season.

I still think he's getting drafted too soon. Okay. Did you guys have any other thoughts from preseason last night? I liked Evan Hull's patience when he ran, and I know that he's a good pass catcher if they give him the opportunity. So if Jonathan Taylor is traded and they don't acquire another running back, he would be the running back that I would target. In deeper leagues, you should probably draft him now with your third-to-last pick.

It's interesting because Deion Jackson was definitely the starter. I don't think Hull got into the third possession. Yeah, I just don't think he's that good. But then you got Zach Moss. When is Zach Moss back? I think Hull's better than him, too. Do we really believe that they'd trade away Jonathan Taylor and not add hunter

for net like those guys i feel like they add somebody yeah that's true unless they just they love the guys they have and look at these illustrious names that they have got jackson and hull and zach moss and don't forget about kenyan Drake. Question about Michael Pittman. It's almost like the Jets, right? Mike Evans, Mike Thomas, Michael Pittman. Who's ranked the Mikes? Mic drop. Mic drop.

Evans, Pittman, Thomas. And then Michael Wilson in Arizona. Is there another Mike that I could put? I have not drafted Michael Pittman once this year. I did, but I got him in like round eight or nine. Evans, Thomas, Pittman. I'm fine with Pittman in round nine. Okay. He probably have a couple of big games

where Richard just does some ridiculous things, but not often. One of the throws that Richardson missed a couple of big games where Richard just does some ridiculous things. And, but not often. One of the throws that Richardson missed was Pittman running free. His defender fell down. He would have had like a 50 yard touchdown, something like that yesterday. And Richardson did not see him.

All right, guys. And, uh, anything you want to say about the Steelers? They played against backups and once again looked very good just absolutely throttled them uh this is going to be a better passing offense than you think the the one thing i changed this morning um that i kind of got talked out i

started the year with them extremely pass heavy the off season back in february just because that was their history as an offense and an offensive coordinator. Pass heavy? Canada has been pass heavy his entire time calling plays except for the last seven or eight games of last year. And so I changed that middle of the summer to more closer to run heavy.

I moved it back towards pass heavy last night. They're literally back-to-back in 2022 pass rate with the Saints. What do you mean? Steelers threw it 54.9% of the time. Saints threw it 54.9%. They just ran 100 more plays. But yeah, last year was the change.

It was a pretty stark contrast of Pittsburgh against the Atlanta backups versus Indianapolis against the Eagles backups on both sides of the ball. I mean, the Eagles marched down the field on the starting defense and scored a touchdown. So that was not a good night for the Colts, if you ask me. But maybe people think differently. All right. Let's take one last break here, and we will look at some ADP risers and fallers after this.

All right, ADP risers and fallers. Full disclosure, I had all these notes prepared, but now we have different ADP. Better ADP, I'd say, to use. We'll use the CBS ADP. If you're watching on YouTube, Thomas, you can probably just go through it, and we'll look at players that are up or down at least four spots in recent average draft position.

And that would be Aaron Jones would be starting there. He is now up ahead of Ramondre Stevenson, the 31st overall, still behind Joe Mixon, but ahead of Ramondre Stevenson. And in CBS ADP, ahead of Travis Etienne. Is that too early? That's the middle of the third round for Aaron Jones. The only reason it's too early, if it is, is because of age.

That's where he should go. I've got him 32nd in full PPR. It's just an age concern. What he's done, who he's been, is deserving of being picked at the 2-3 turn. Okay. Let's see what else we got here. Joe Burrow down four spots to 33rd overall. I believe he is QB 5.

Lamar Jackson is going 31st. So Joe Burrow down four spots, but we're certainly not taking Joe Burrow 33rd overall. No. And I would still take Burrow over Lamar. All right. That's the next point. Madison, Alexander Madison is up four spots to 49th overall.

So based on what you guys said earlier, you're cool with Madison at 49th overall? Yep. But I'm 40th. Four or five turn there. DJ Moore up seven spots to 50th overall. Yep. But I'm 40th. Four or five turn there. DJ Moore up seven spots to 50th overall. One of the biggest gainers, DJ Moore.

I love that value. I still think he's got, I'll speak for, for myself on this one. I still think he's got low end wide receiver one potential, but you draft him as a capable wide receiver two. We've seen him average 14 PPR points per game. I think it's going to be a better result this year than what we saw last year in Carolina. Who do you guys have ranked

higher overall, Madison or DJ Moore? Moore in PPR. Medicine. Okay, Brees Hall is down 12 spots. This is reaction to the Dalvin Cook signing. He's now going 53rd. But the way I interpret a list like this, when you see arrows going down, and Brees Hall down 12 spots to 53rd, that means in recent drafts, he's probably a lot lower than 53rd,

would be my guess, guys. I don't know if you interpret it the same way um because you know whatever it is now is pulling down what it was before which was well but he was like a third round pick i think before the dalvin cook uh signing so that i don't remember any of us taking him in no not for us i'm talking about an adp we were always like his adp is way too high. Brees Hall now 53rd overall. Who's in on Brees Hall in the fifth round? Me. Not Heath.

Okay. Heath, you're in on Brees Hall in the what round? I've got him at 62, so I like him in round six. That's almost round five. I can't ignore the upside that he's got. J.K. Dobbins is up to 58th overall. He's up four spots. Dobbins or Hall?

Dobbins in non-PPR, Hall in full PPR. Dobbins in both. David Montgomery is up five spots to 67th overall. Kamara, Montgomery, Rashad White are going back to back to back. And then James Cook is behind that, but James Cook is up seven spots. He's one of our biggest risers.

So ADP right now has Kamara, Montgomery, Rashad White, and James Cook all as risers on CBS. But Javante Williams has a big faller behind all of those guys. Should Javante Williams be behind Kamara, Montgomery, Rashad White, and James Cook? In my rankings, he's one spot ahead of Montgomery. Everybody else is ahead.

Yeah, I've got it. Cook, Camara, some other guys mixed in here, but Javante, Montgomery, and Rashad White. But I have them all ahead of Brees Hall. I have White at the top of this group. I think he's got the best shot to keep the starting job and get a lot of catches this year. Deshaun Watson is down 11 spots.

I don't know if this is a reaction to that report. The news. Yeah. Where is he among the quarterbacks? He's QB nine, I guess. He's behind, you know, it's Herbert, Herbert Fields, Lawrence. Lawrence is going 57th and Watson is going 76th. It's only three rounds ahead of where I have him.

Yeah, it's too high for Watson. But every quarterback is going too soon for our tastes. I don't know about that with fields. He's going three quarterbacks, seven three quarterbacks who are going behind where I have them ranked last. I looked and it was fields to and Richardson to as a steal on our, our ADP Kirk cousins and Aaron Rogers are going ahead of two to is going as QB.

I think 11 or 12 99th overall. And then nobody's no adp has never been as high on anthony richardson as you guys have been he's going 117th overall um that could pretty much do it khalil herbert khalil herbert up nine spots to 85th overall should khalil herbert be a top oh but dalvin cook is still ahead of him how about that dalvin Cook is 81st up eight spots. Khalil Herbert is 85th up nine spots. Should either Cook or Herbert be a top 80 pick? No to the top 80. I like Herbert better than Cook.

I think Herbert can help you in the first half of the year. And what happens if he actually has an outstanding first half, then all this excitement that I have for Roshan will fade away. I do think, yeah, I agree exactly with what Dave said. I'm not taking either of them until round nine, but I would take Herbert over Cook. I think going back to that quarterback discussion, though, it is important to emphasize.

People say the way we talk about quarterbacks is unrealistic. If quarterbacks get drafted at ADP, you don't have to miss all of them. As long as you like one of fields to and Richardson, you can just stockpile great players and then draft one of those quarterbacks at what we say is a value. Yeah. I don't know if you're not drafting on CBS,

if you can feel that way about to, well, you still like his ADP. Even not on CBS. Right? Well, he's not going... In non-CBS ADP, Tua is going ahead of Cousins and Rodgers. I think that there will be,

regardless of what site you're drafting on, and maybe there's a site, this isn't true, but I think each site will have two or three of these guys that are falling to the point that we're okay with them. It might not always be fields and Tua and Richardson, but I think you can usually find,

it might be cousins on one site. It might be Gino on one site. It might be Daniel Jones on a site for sure. It is. There will be guys available at what we say is about it. That's going to do it for today's show. Mail back later. FantasyFootball at CBSi.com.

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