Fantasy Football Today - Jordan Addison and Rashee Rice News and a Mailbag (07/18 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: July 18, 2025Bid on Draft-A-Thon items here! https://tiltify.com/@cbs-sports/fft-draftathon-2025 Vote for Fantasy Football To...day in the "Sports" category: https://podcastawards.com/app/signup With Jordan Addison and Rashee Rice possibly facing suspensions (6:00), we talk about how that has changed our rankings and draft strategies. We also give you some history of players who were suspended to start the season and dramatically outperformed their average draft position. After we talk about all the news, it's time for your Draft-A-Thon questions (31:40), emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com (50:00), Apple Podcast questions (1:04:00) and YouTube comments (1:06:50). Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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All right, let's get to the show. So we've got the Rashi Rice and the Jordan Addison news.
And we do have an email that I wanted to read before that. But I just want to put just remind
people about a couple of early season suspensions. So Julian Edelman was suspended for the first
four games of 2018. His ADP, he had missed all of 2017, by the way,
with the torn ACL.
So there were other reasons to doubt him.
So he suspended four games.
His ADP was wide receiver 30, 72nd overall.
Edelman finished as wide receiver 22,
even with missing those four games
and wide receiver 13 per game.
So if you were able to make it through
those first four games, you had a total steal. Alvin Camaro was suspended for three games for the beginning of the 2023
season. He was RB 21 in ADP, 62nd overall. He finished his RB 12, even with the suspension,
and Camaro was RB 5 per game. So sometimes there can be a market overreaction to these things and
maybe you can take advantage of it. We don't know what the suspensions are. We
don't know if there will be suspensions. We suspect there will be, but we'll talk
about that in a little bit. Here's our email of the day at fantasyfootball.cbsi.com
The letter i, fantasyfootball.cbsi.com. It comes from Keaton.
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All right. News and notes. So Jordan Addison
pleaded no contest to a reckless driving with the involvement of alcohol charge.
And that resolves his DUI citation. So it's a lesser charge that he pleaded to.
He could still be the way I interpreted what I read in the ESPN article is that
he's facing a three game suspension. That's just the way I interpreted it for Jordan Addison.
Rashid Rice was sentenced to 30 days in jail and five years probation. So he was involved
in a multi-car crash in 2024. He can serve the jail time at any time during his five
year probation. So it's not almost certainly not going to be during the football season.
But I mean, I kind of will do bonus podcasts when we hear about, you know, the season. But I mean, I kind of, we'll do bonus podcasts
when we hear about, you know, the news.
But Jamie, let's say it's three game suspensions
for both of them.
How much would that change the draft board?
So I adjusted my rankings yesterday for,
I hadn't done it for Judkins yet,
and I adjusted it for both of these guys
because we've done, I've done a handful of drafts already you know since this past week and you know you're just
kind of seeing where these guys are sort of falling or I think we're the
anticipation at least for Rice and Addison have are going to fall so I
dropped Rice behind Worthy just a couple spots so he was wide receiver 13 for me
and I dropped him to like wide receiver 26.
Um, I just moved everybody up accordingly.
And then Addison was wide receiver 34, 35 or yeah, 34, 35.
And I dropped him to like wide receiver 39.
Um, so, you know, just sort of adjusting and the round difference is pretty, you know,
drastic for those.
So like Rice dropped two rounds.
He was around three pick for me, now he's around five.
And Addison dropped like to round eight maybe.
You think it was round six.
So just being a little bit concerned.
I do think that once the suspension is announced, that we'll sort of figure it out.
But anybody doing these early drafts, you have to sort of adjust for it.
I don't feel like we've adjusted enough.
Like doing these early drafts, we've already been seeing Addison go in a range where I
feel like drafters have adjusted for this incoming expected suspension on the rice front.
He's just been shooting up draft boards over the last two, three weeks.
We've been drafting both on our site and then even the Scott fishbowl.
I saw him go way up top.
So I think this will actually change a lot for him.
I think we'll start to see him fall round two,
maybe even three rounds from where he's going,
but he's been hyped and steamed up a lot
on draft boards early.
I don't think we should though.
I think-
Really?
Well, I just based on what I just read
with Edelman and Camara, you know, it's look,
it's tough to navigate through a three game suspension.
Again, I'm just throwing that out there hypothetical.
It's probably going to be somewhere in the ballpark of that.
I would guess, but it's tough to navigate through it.
If you're in a shallower league and you really like these
guys, then I think it's easier to draft them.
Yeah. Right.
It's easier to fill in that spot for those three weeks.
But remember if it's the first three games of the season or
first four games of the season, there are no bye weeks there.
So you're not going to have to deal with a suspension and a bye.
I know I might forget to say this, but I'm just saying like on your roster, you're not
going to have anybody on a bye.
You're going to be able to use all of your bench, all of your roster to fill in that
spot unless there's an injury.
Don't allow anyone to put these guys in an IR spot.
That should go without saying, but in case we get that question,
they should not be IR eligible.
I just think that if, you know,
getting through the first three weeks of the season,
if it is a three game suspension,
if you go one and two and you get Rashid Rice
in the fifth round and he comes back to his-
But that's not where he's been really drafted.
That was my point.
He just went in the third round.
Right.
Right. Oh, you know, you shouldn't take him in the third round, but even if He just went in the third round. Right. Right.
Oh, you know, you shouldn't take him in the third round.
But even if you get him in the fourth round,
I think, you know, you start talking about him being like
DK Metcalf in a full PPR league or something like that.
I don't really know what to expect from Rashi Rice.
I think he was a complicated player to begin with.
That makes this difficult, right?
Well, you have the injury that he's coming off of.
I think the thing that you got to take into account is like,
we had some questions about both these guys
prior to this situation.
Rice, was he going to get back to being that guy
we saw in the first two games of the season
and the end of his rookie season
after what Xavier Reuven just did
without really seeing what he looks like with Marquise Brown
and still Travis Kelsey being there.
Addison's getting an entirely different quarterback,
plus a healthy TJ Hockinson for a full season.
There was questions.
I think if you are in the Rice and Addison camps and wanted to draft these guys prior
to this situation, knowing that this could still have potentially happened, then you're
probably going to love this scenario from an average draft position standpoint, a fantasy
standpoint.
I'm just not going to love the situation, but you get what I'm saying, the fantasy implications
of this.
So like I drafted Rice in the fishbowl.
It was round four because of where he fell in terms of the receivers.
Clearly I would not have done that now, but I'm still expecting him to perform at a level
that where I was drafting him in the third
round and redraft and ranking him there because I still think there's immense upside.
And in the case of Addison, look, you kind of had to understand like we don't know how
this was all going to work out because of McCarthy.
But if you were buying into Kevin O'Connell and what Sam Darnold did last year, then you
should still be very excited about Jordan Addison.
So you're going to get probably still very good situations at discounted prices.
Now again, if it's more than three games, like this could be six games.
Like we don't know.
We don't know how the NFL is going to approach this.
Really, they haven't had like these type of this unless I'm mistaken, missing something,
but they haven't had these type of disciplinary situations in a while.
And is it, you know, we're going to make examples of the driving situations, the DUI situations and drop the hammer a little bit.
Wouldn't shock me at all either way.
Plus you have the NFLPA and all the stuff going on there.
Who knows how this is gonna play out
from who's defending these guys.
True.
Yeah, all right, so I guess it's kind of easier with Addison.
Let's say you're in a two receiver,
two running back flex league. You could in theory draft Jordan Addison, if you're, let's say you're in a two receiver, two running back flex league, you could in theory draft
Jordan Addison in a way that you don't even need him
for the first three weeks.
Right. Yes.
Right. So if you really like it right now.
Yeah. I mean, I think he's probably
in that flex discussion.
So you don't need even really need to drop him that much.
I mean, you could, or you could just take advantage
of him falling, right?
Like, and be fine. Rice is trickier, obviously,
because he's a third round pick for a lot of people. I mean,
there's an opportunity.
Adam, the trickier part is worthy.
Well, right. And someone said Kelsey too, because Kelsey, as I
mentioned, yeah, wasn't 12, nine, 12 targets in three games
with with rice. And yeah, actually, there's so much to
talk about there. Someone also brought up a
point with rice that does give them a little bit more time to
rehab. So he also misses practice time, though. So that's
not a great thing. That's a good point. So like Travis Kelsey,
the first three games of the season, he had 12 targets. The
last 14 games of the season after the rice injury, he was
on pace for 158 targets. So that goes from four targets a game
to about nine targets per game.
So that's a new fantasy points with 150 target pace.
That's unbelievable.
Yeah, he couldn't even get to a thousand yard.
He wasn't even on pace for a thousand yards
with 158 targets.
Worthy Jamie is really interesting
because the first nine games of the season,
Xavier Worthy, 15% target share, on pace for 38 catches.
He had an 11.7 yard A-dot, which is kind of medium.
The last seven games of the season, excluding week eight,
is when he started picking it up a little bit,
a week 18, sorry, excluding week 18, he played one snap.
He had a 21% target share, his A-dot went way down,
7.3 yards.
He sort of became Rashid Rice.
No, well, I'm just saying- Let's use him in that role. Right, he filled in became Rishi Rice. So no, well, I'm just
saying in that role, he right, he filled in this short area
target role, which is not what we expected from worthy. Did you
know that he had of all the wide receivers, I think there were
85 or 86, all the wide receivers with 50 or more targets. Xavier
Worthy had the fourth lowest explosive play rate in football last year.
So Jamie, what's the impact of this
on Kelsey, Mahomes and Worthy?
And Marquise Brown, let's not forget about him.
So they're all gonna get bumps to whatever extent,
you know, you're looking at it in ADP drafts,
ADP and rankings, you know,
so just by the nature of the uncertainty until we know how
many games these guys are going to be out.
I think the thing with Worthy is you don't want to overvalue him because Rice is not
missing this season, you know, so if you're looking at it, and this is where I struggled
with, I want to really draft Xavier Worthy ahead of Rashi Rice because if Rice comes
back and has that role and is going to be the target leader that I think a lot of people
were hoping for, then it's going to make it a little bit tough to trust Worthy based on what we saw in the beginning
part of the season.
However, rookie year in this offense, which we know is very complicated to pick up, does
he come back and I mean, you heard me say this at times last year, like is this their
new Tyree kill because of how fast he is and the things they could do with him in the backfield
and just all of the explosive, just putting the ball in his hands and making him this
elite level playmaker, which we saw toward the end of the season.
And we certainly saw it in the sewer bowl, obviously with some mitigating circumstances
with the big play at the end when he's going against backups.
But whatever the case may be, clearly this guy is an explosive player.
So does he have a chance now to maybe be that guy, be the lead receiver for the Chiefs?
And then here's Marquise Brown, you know has never I think really lived up to
What he could be as a fantasy asset because he's been on some of these
You know limited passing offenses Baltimore was never going to feature him to the level maybe that he should have
Arizona same thing and so now he gets this opportunity
For maybe a three to five game stretch depending on how long this the suspension is to sort of okay
Flourish with you know one of the best quarter, if not the best quarterback in the league and a unique
playmaker in Andy Reid.
So I think he's an obvious late round pick.
If you get three games of him starting, like you said, Adam, there's no buys.
Depending on your injury situation, you probably don't need to play him.
But I mean, if this guy comes out in game one has eight targets five catches
You know a hundred yards in a touchdown by week two. He's gonna be a lot of people's lineups
He's probably leading the way where I call, you know
so there's just a there's just a big opportunity here for a
Late run pick and again the longer the suspension the higher he'll get drafted
So that's just kind of I think I keep an eye on it for Kelsey
I'm not changing my opinion on him at all We we know 36 in October there. There are all these guys still there as we talked about yesterday with tight end tears
he's sort of in that middle he's in that third tier for me is in that middle group of
Laporta and the joku
Hawkinson, you know if you want to put Ingram or Andrews and up there the rookies up there
I you know, we're splitting hairs how far you know, you want to either drop him or raise the other guys?
I just think you're looking at that round six through eight range if Kelsey's still on the board and you like there, the rookies up there, you know, we're splitting hairs how far, you know, you want to either drop him or raise the other guys.
I just think you're looking at that round six through eight range.
If Kelsey's still on the board and you like him better than the other positions, you take
a chance on him.
Still third in targets and receptions last year at the position.
Three touchdowns, which I think that he should benefit the most from this year with everybody
being there because a lot of few more red zone opportunities and hopefully cash in on
them.
So if we can get back to eight plus touchdowns, and you're still getting 80
catches and 800 yards, like that's a pretty good bargain for
somebody getting that late.
That would be great. All right. Unfortunately, we don't have
time to get through all of it, I think, because we really got to
read these emails, especially for the people who paid for St.
Jude, but we will talk about the Viking situations. You mentioned
anything on no, no change from homes?
No, so the sixth quarterback for me.
I mean, I think it could be somewhat of a blessing because the problem for my Holmes
is the A-dot. He's just too conservative. It needs to throw the ball downfield,
get the downfield passing game going for three games or whatever, and then mix in
Rishi Rice and what he does really well.
But they wanna be more explosive.
They need-
Doesn't matter how much they wanna be more explosive.
Defensers are gonna play them top down
like they've played them.
Like there's no way.
And also my home was genuinely bad
from a ball placement standpoint last year
on 20 plus yard throws.
Yeah, well also-
I think one of those is protection
and two offensive linemen additions this off season should definitely
help, especially the rookies healthy.
I need to get a break in Jamie.
I'm sorry.
We go ahead.
Just finish your thoughts.
No.
And then clearly look, if he has all these guys at his disposal, which he's not going
to now, but he has, you know, for the majority of the season, like that's a huge difference
maker.
Like you said, Dan, last year he didn't look at well, look who he was thrown to also.
Yeah, that's part of the issue.
He just genuinely like going over the tape with Jacob.
It just wasn't the same homes.
No, it was not.
A lot of inaccurate passes, surprising.
7.1 yards per attempt.
Two years in a row he's been around that.
It's weird.
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It was actually 6.8 yards per attempt
for Mahomes last year, not 7.1.
He should be above 8 yards per attempt.
That's the Mahomes we know and love.
But in order to do that, he's going to have to throw the ball downfield.
Now the Vikings have a crowded receiving core.
And I thought about TJ Hockinson, obviously, and the impact of a potential Jordan Addison
suspension.
Did anything change for you in your rankings
when it comes to the Vikings guys, Jamie,
other than Addison moving down?
Not for Jefferson or Hawkinson.
Jefferson's still the third receiver behind
Chase and Lamb and still top five overall pick.
And Hawkinson's still tight end seven for me.
Yeah, seven.
I, again, until we know the length of the suspension,
if it's more than three
games then maybe Hawkinson moves up a spot and Jefferson can leapfrog, uh, lamb, although
I doubt it, but, um, really it's just a matter of, and I think you said it best, like Addison's
the perfect bench receiver if you don't need him because when he comes back, there's lottery
ticket upside of Jefferson never misses any time.
There's huge touchdown potential as we've seen for him in this offense.
And as long as McCarthy can, again, I always feel like I have to, you know,
take a breath when I say this, as long as McCarthy can play at Sam
Darnold's level, um, there's, there's enough upside here for everybody in
this, in this offense to be successful to whatever degree you're looking at them.
Jefferson as a high end guy, Parkinson as a, you know, mid tier, number one
tight end and Addison as a borderline two, Hawkinson as a mid tier number one tight end, and Addison as a borderline
two, three wide receiver.
Okay.
And the ironic part of having to move Hawkinson up if there's a long suspension, he'd have
to jump Travis Kelsey, who's also potentially benefiting from Rishi Race.
Right.
If you're a McCarthy truther, then you're going to love the situation for Hawkinson.
All right. Chargers wide receiver Mike Williams retired retired and this could be a boost for Trey
Harris, Daniel Popper of the Athletic, who I think is very good and gives a lot of fantasy
relevant stuff.
He's often, I feel like, very critical of Quinton Johnston, which I think is justifiable,
but he thinks that Trey Harris would be the guy who would start at the X receiver position. Trey Harris, of course,
needs to sign his contract rookie. Oh, that's right. That's
right. Okay, so that's great news. And this is would you
would you draft Trey Harris or Marquis Brown? Trey Harris,
Trey Harris is the best kept secret right now in fantasy,
like you can still get him in your last round or your second
to last round or third to last round. And it's like, I'm probably going to be getting a 90% snap player in adjusting her offense. Now that defenses are
shifting focus to lad McConkey is going to get one on ones all day. It's pretty good. I don't know
many other such like this is the situation Addison had last year that Addison thrive then.
Anthony Richardson appears to be 100% healthy.
Not as pass happy.
I want to make that clear.
Not as pass happy offense gone.
We'll keep an eye on Anthony Richardson,
but his shoulder appears to be fine.
The Steelers signed TJ Watt
to a three year $123 million extension.
Jack Besh signed his contract,
rookie receiver for the Raiders.
Here's a sneaky news item here.
Oh, I ran out of time to see how to pronounce
this guy's name, so I'm sorry.
Oh, I think I might have pronunciation got available.
But Detroit defensive tackle Levi Onwuzarike
is on the Pup List and he will miss at least four games.
He's recently been placed on the Pup List.
If you start camp on the Pup List,
you can come off anytime, but he's on the Pup List now.
He's gonna miss at least the first four games. Meanwhile, Alim McNeil, a star defensive tackle, is also on the P list, you can come off any time, but he's on the pup list now. He's going to miss at least the first four games.
Meanwhile, Alim McNeil, a star defensive tackle, is also on the pup list.
He can come off at any time, but he's recovering from I think a torn ACL.
But on Wuzarike, the Lions allowed 3.7 yards per carry to running backs with him on the
field and five yards per carry to running backs with him off the field on a hundred and
nine carries. What's that? When was he injured? This year or last year? Last year.
Uh, he played most of last year. But I just wonder like with that number because Anzaloni was hurt,
Hutchinson was hurt. Like, you know, how much of that was McNeil coming back will remedy that.
Maybe. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like that number, if it was just him missing.
But the numbers with McNeil on and off the field
compared to Anwuserike on and off the field are-
You got those, let's go.
It was pretty, it was almost,
it was like two yard, two yard per carry difference.
This was a one point difference.
I don't wanna, you know, dismiss what you said,
but there was just so many guys missing.
Like, I wonder how much of it was,
oh, you know, him and seven of his teammates weren't there.
So he played a lot of snaps. So so on Rusarique is going to be out McNeil is coming off a
torn ACL, I believe it was. Yeah, you got Green Bay in week one, you got Chicago in
week two. I'm just saying this may not be that tough of a run defense, not that you
were going to sit Josh Jacobs, but it has been in the past. So we'll keep an eye on that. Could be good for Swift and week two or something like that.
Okay. Yeah. And Justin Herbert is wearing a UV contact lenses that will help him see the
field better and apparently give him some red eyes, which is really cool.
Just a couple of things real quick. I know we got to get to the questions. R.J. Harvey signed his
rookie deal too. So don't worry about that. So two huge second round picks from a rookie perspective.
To go back to Trey Harris, first off,
I don't think we should dismiss Quinton Johnson
also benefiting from this
because the way that he finished last season,
he had 45 targets in his last five games
and 15 and a half PPR points in at least three of those.
So there was at least a developing connection.
I think the week 18 game was huge for him,
but there was a developing connection
and maybe a maturity process that was starting to work for him entering year three.
And now Mike Williams not being there, that just alleviates somebody standing in his way,
a guy that Justin Herbert had a relationship with.
And just to piggyback on what you said about J. Harris, there's just like a handful of
rookies that when you get to the last later rounds of your draft, Harris is one, Jaden
Higgins is one, Jack Bess you mentioned
is one, and Kyle Williams is another. Like there's such huge opportunities for these guys, whether
they take advantage of them or not, we'll find out. But there's such huge opportunities for these
guys. And again, look at the passing offenses is going to, you know, sort of determine I think how
you like these guys to Dan's point. You know, the Vikings offense last year a little bit different
by comparison to the Chargers, but the Texan situation could these guys to Dan's point. You know, the Vikings offense last year, a little bit different by comparison to the
Chargers.
But the Texan situation could be great for Higgins.
Yeah.
Regime and quarterback for the Raiders could be great for Besh.
Drake May and Kyle Williams, he may be the best guy there for all we know.
So these are awesome late round picks.
You know, and somebody mentioned Ibuka.
Forget about Ibuka and Burton.
They're on a different level.
These are guys that were not highly sought of highly thought after rookies
At least prospects coming into this process process to the same level as those two guys at least
Just great late round flyers
So even just add to your point Jamie like those two guys too aren't going that high yet either burden in a group
I just yeah fair point that they're all kind of that
This is the type of plays you want to make at the end of your drafts
You want your bench to be,
your last spot to be filled by these types of players
because you're going to be cutting these spots anyway
for waiver spots most likely.
Yep.
All right.
So let's take a look at Dan's retweet here.
Oh God, what did I do to,
what did I do?
What did I do now?
What did Dan do?
So I saw a tweet throw,
show up in my timeline.
And it was from FF Shepherd and it says,
my CBS fantasy football podcast dynasty rankings.
Did I retweet this?
One FF today dynasty.
I did not.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
This guy's ranking his favorite FFT shows.
One is FFT dynasty.
Insights on my favorite.
He said dynasty rankings, keep that in mind.
Yeah, but say insights on my favorite format
hosted by the goat Heath Cummings. That's number one. Number two is beyond the box score. Stats
bring ships. And he, you know, he tagged Jacob and Dan in there. Number three is FFT. And he just
writes whatever at a laser at JB Eisenberg at Dave Richard. So, so I wanted to bring it up beyond
the box score. Let me just say, no, no, no, let you just say nothing at Dave Richard. So I wanted to bring it up beyond the box score.
Let me just say, I regret this week.
No, no, no, let you just say nothing, hold on.
So I want to just bring up beyond the box score
is not a new show,
but it's new that it has basically its own feed now.
It's in the FFT Express feed and it's great.
I was on the show with Jacob and Dan
and they really opened my eyes to a lot of things,
including Jacory Kroski Merritt
as a really exciting handcuff, even though he was-
Jacob loves him.
Yeah, and he's got reason to.
And he was the last running back selected in the draft.
But anyway, listen to the episodes.
They do such a great job.
And I love the fact that we have me, Jamie, Dave, Heath,
Dan, Jacob, who all approach fantasy football
with a lot of similarities,
but also with a lot of differences.
And I think we give you so many different ways
to look at players and evaluate players.
And hopefully my goal is always the most information
for you to make the most informed decision.
It's not, let's tell you who to draft and who to start.
It's let's give you as much information as possible.
So I did want to plug me on the box score,
but I noticed with this tweet, ranking FFT last,
there was one retweet.
I just thought, who was it that retweeted it?
And it was Dan Steyer.
So thank you for-
Let me defend myself real quick.
Have you ever been on Twitter before?
It's a hellscape on there these days.
And you're on there, you're just sifting through stuff.
And the first thing I thought I saw was
some one of our listeners giving us a shout out here. And I didn't really read through to the end where the FFT whatever
if I ever got to that FFT whatever you know sometimes just don't read through fully.
Yeah it's Twitter's fault.
It's Twitter's fault yeah.
I gotta tell you I read something yesterday it took me about 20 minutes to get through
this headline of Dan's column.
Oh come on.
Oh oh god forbid one of us on the staff
writes about our Scott fish.
No, no, no, no, no.
I appreciate you writing about your stuff, but I, I, I just love the fact
that you are representing all of us.
I didn't say I was representing all the time.
I draw the team that I was proud to represent FFT.
Right.
Because that's in the scuff fish bowl.
When you go onto your team page and your draft page
It says like Dan Schneier or Jamie eyes whatever FFT Fanny's football today CBS sports
So that name is out there people who are drafting with me in my league
I'm in the Florida Panthers League because I'm the only true fan of apparently out of us three that joined the Florida Panthers
I like the California Golden Bears leave me alone
Okay, you're in the California Golden Bears. Don't know why, but it's weird. You know, my name's out there.
Our name's out there. Again, I don't want FFT to be FFT.
Whatever. I want it to be FFT. I want it to be FFT. Look at this team.
It's a scotch-dishful team that's going to win it all. So I was proud of the team.
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Okay, this one is from Maggie.
She wants to know how we feel about median scoring,
where managers get a point for winning
their weekly head-to-head matchup,
but also get a point if they score
in the top half of the league for the week.
That will help soften the blow for those who score high
enough to beat several others in the league, but not high enough to soften the blow for those who score high enough to beat
several others in the league but not high enough to win their head-to-head matchup. Dan, how do you
feel about median scoring? Well, I've spoken about this before on this podcast. I'll speak about it
again. I have a very, very strong opinion on this. I think everyone- No kidding.
No, some things I'm not strongly opinionated on, but most things I am.
I love- The reason you're on this show is because you're strongly opinionated. I love it. That's good. So go ahead. Well, that's good. I like that. But this is most things I am. I love the reason you're on this show is because you're strongly opinionated.
I love it.
So go ahead.
I like that, but this is one that I am.
This is one that I am because I don't understand why any, and I've had this
debate with one league of mine that won't switch.
I don't know what's wrong with them.
Why wouldn't every league do this?
What do we want to just put everything up to luck?
Like if I score the second most points in my week and I'm facing off against
the team that scores the first most points in the league, instead of going 0-1, I should go 1-1 versus the team that scores
the 10th most but gets the 11th most guy that he faces off in this luck-based matchup that just
picked randomly by the computer, he shouldn't go 1-0. It doesn't make any sense. So of course,
this is a great idea. Even out the playing field, you make it so it's not just about the luck of
the scheduling and you reward the teams that are actually playing the best. So you go one and one, oh and two or one or two and oh and it just ends
up at the end of the year when you look at the standings, it's a much better representation
of which teams were not just the best by points, but the best by consistency week to week.
It's hard to argue that. The only thing that I would say against it is
I feel like it could make teams give up quicker.
If they-
People say that because they fall further behind.
But then you can catch up quicker too.
If you go on the normal run of like a four week in a row,
blow out, blow out, blow it,
you go eight and oh over those four weeks,
you catch back up.
All right.
All right, look, it's a pretty good case.
All right, next up-
You could also go on a win streak
and go one on one every week though too.
But then you're not dominating that much. Yeah, then you week though, too. But then you're not dominating that.
Yeah.
Then you're not really.
Right.
You're not really dominating.
But you know, there's also the when you get to the, you know, season plays out, you know,
teams are struggling, you know, and you're and you're taking advantage of the soft body
schedule.
All right.
This is fantastic, Mr. Fox.
I don't disagree with you, by the way.
I'm just saying like that's he says with all the hype dynasty question with all the hype
of a Mecca, a Bucca and the offense he's in, if you don't need a you by the way, Dan. I'm just saying like that's. He says with all the hype, dynasty question, with all the hype of Emeka Abouka and the offense he's in,
if you don't need a wide receiver,
if you don't need wide receiver help this year,
could you justify drafting Abouka over Tetaroa McMillan?
If you believe in his talent and situation, absolutely.
You know, so I wouldn't do it,
but you know, if you have that strong a belief
that Abouka is gonna be maybe the best receiver
in this class, you know,
cause a lot of people think McMillan's the best
receiver in this class.
If you really feel that way, then and you don't need him.
That being said, like, I don't know why you wouldn't need him.
Like, you know, if you think McMillan is close enough or has the ability to be that guy,
like I'm still taking McMillan over a book.
But you know, if you really, really, really have that strong of a opinion, like the Tampa
Bay offense, Baker Mayfield, no Mike Evans, maybe no that strong of an opinion, like the Tampa Bay offense, Baker Mayfield,
no Mike Evans, maybe no Chris Godwin next year,
like all the upside that a Buca could bring, then sure.
But I don't know, if I'm gonna do that,
I'm probably gonna trade down and try and get a Buca
a little bit later in the first round.
Okay, this is from Andy G.
Dear Walter, Jesse, Tuco, and Gus.
These are Breaking Bad characters.
Correct.
FFT is great, right blend of humor and content. One of Breaking Bad characters. Correct. FFT is
great. Right blend of humor and content. One of my favorite pods.
Great work. And that was it. Andy did not leave a question.
We appreciate the donation. Just in June. Hell yeah. All right.
This is from Pete. Who sent that? Andy G. Andy G. You're in the
left over league. Hey, Jamie's just handing him out Willie.
Wait a second. Does he even have this authority?
What are you talking about?
The three 16 team leagues that I did last year.
Oh yeah.
He can do whatever he wants with those leagues.
Oh, they're all mine.
All right.
From Pete Levin.
Okay.
Two questions.
If possible, direct to Dan when he's on.
Oh, nice.
Have any of you guys incorporated AI into your draft strategies? I myself have
been using AI for a highly competitive auction league I'm in to create a database that tracks
managers spending habits from previous seasons. Wow. Have you?
I have not done that. And please do me a favor if you're listening in on this episode, which
I assume you will be. Find my email or my Twitter, reach out to me on Twitter and message and let me know what about this.
Cause I'm very intrigued about how I can track my future.
I have all the past drafts of my auction, my home league auction.
I'd love to figure out how I can track their spending ads.
Reach out to me.
I'm very intrigued by as far as using AI, I have not yet used it.
I was thinking though, when I stopped in today and everyone had a good laugh
at my expense, Thomas, Jamie, and Adam with the thumbnail today of me as the mailman. I was thinking, you know what,
I might go to AI after this and get a little Thomas the Tank Engine AI going for Thomas Schaefer,
our producer, and find a way to put that into one of our things. So you know what, I may start to
use AI. That's great. Yeah, now we haven't used it. We did just record an FFT Express episode called Man vs. Machine where we looked at some
AI fantasy football, some chat GPT fantasy football predictions and talked about it.
That was fun.
All right.
So second, look at that.
Look at that thumbnail.
Look at that.
I got to say I look best as the mailman of us three.
I'm not gonna lie.
You look like you.
I think you look like Frank Stanful.
I look what?
You look like Frank Stanful. I do what? You look like Frank Stanful.
I do kind of look like Frank here. Right?
It's really interesting.
I don't know why I look so much like Frank in that.
All right.
His second question.
That's a compliment by the way, Frank's a good looking guy.
He is, handsome dude.
Super flex auction, $200 budget.
How much of your budget percentage wise
would you like to spend on quarterbacks?
Quarterbacks go in the, the tier one quarterbacks go in the high 40s or low 50s.
So two of them would be about half your budget.
So Jamie, what, what percentage of your budget would you allocate to quarterbacks in a super
flex league?
And then obviously me, not much, you know, especially I try to go very cheap in, in salary
cap drafts at this position.
So I'm going to generally miss out on the top tier guys. Uh, but for me, it would probably be 20% at most.
So for me, for years, I have been a, by one of those top tier elite
quarterbacks for a super flex league.
Um, I've been doing it.
I think there's been a nice drop off.
And honestly, I saw some data from Ryan Heath of fantasy points showing that,
you know, for a while it was a bad investment, but since 2022, there've been
seven league winners from the top tier of the quarterbacks, but last year Jamie
I did try my most expensive most biggest buy-in league to quarterback superflex 14 team
to go as cheap as possible at quarterback and
It worked and was my best team by far and it like opened my eyes to a lot of things my quarterbacks were Russell Wilson
And Derek Carr Russell Wilson slash Fields and Derek Carr.
And it was like, I bought both Fields and Russ.
And it was really great.
Like what I was able to do at wide receiver
and running back was revolutionary.
So I think I've made the move to where Jamie's at.
And I would say, try it, try to go as cheap as possible
at quarterback and see what you can spend.
But just make sure if you do do that strategy,
at least in my mind, you are buying
at least two of the top players,
two of the top 10 most expensive players.
I think that strategy is completely lost
if you're not gonna spend a quarterback
and then you're just gonna get like a bunch of value plays
at running back and receiver and tight end.
All right, we're gonna take one more break here
and finish up with your draft-a-thon questions
followed by your emails, Apple podcast questions and tweets.
And we'll see if Dan is able to push off
his 11 o'clock meeting,
because that is in 10 minutes.
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Next question is from Surin.
Who is the one player you will never draft again and why?
And who is the one player even if you don't draft
you want them to do well.
Maybe someone you drafted in the past
and helped you win a championship.
I personally do not have anyone on that list.
I don't believe that's a good strategy in fantasy
to have someone you won't draft no matter what.
Yeah, I think we all have to say that.
None of us have that player,
because I'll tell you-
Oh, I do.
Oh, who?
Oh, I don't have to draft him ever again.
Deshaun Watson, see ya.
Oh, okay.
I guess you're right.
You could just do that,
because he's not good enough to ever be drafted.
Yeah, done, bye.
Yeah.
It's fair.
You know, I would say that I've been a little stubborn
about Derrick Henry in the past in full PPR leagues. I, you know, I would say that I've been a little stubborn about Derek Henry in the past
in full PPR leagues. I've always looked at the fact that he hardly ever catches the ball and,
I've not done well with that. And Terry McLaurin was another guy that I was like,
I'm just not drafting anymore. He always finishes his number three receiver. And obviously
I missed out on that last year. So don't be stubborn. I will always root for anyone on the
giants, even if they're not on my team, my fantasy team.
Oh, I like that.
All right, this is from Jared.
I had Nico last year and watched as penalties
pried points away from my team.
I think he's talking about holding penalties.
How do you view Jaden Daniels and his weapons
with the Laramie Tunsel trade?
Wasn't Tunsel like a big-
Tunsel had like, had a dozen holds or something.
Yeah. Crazy, not that much.
I mean, if you're talking about a crappy offensive lineman, then I would probably be a little
more concerned because that's how he has to get by.
I think Tunsel may have started out in a bad spot and then the refs are looking for a little
bit more.
The defensive coordinator, defensive coaches are pointing it out pre-game meetings like,
hey, keep an eye on 78 and see what he does.
Yeah, Danos, I think, is, look, there's so much to love about his upside and the guys
around him.
It is interesting, though, because if McLaurin holds out, holds in whatever, has a contract
situation that keeps him from doing everything he needs to do in camp, and Deebo is still
potentially out of shape, and you have Ertz ats at you know 58 years old. Are they going to in the case of McLaurin and
and Earths replicate what they did a year ago and is Deebo going to have sort of
you know bounce back season? That being said like he's one of these fantasy
assets that doesn't need his weapons to support him. He's going to make those
guys productive enough and use his legs where I think his sort of floor is safe
and his ceiling is huge.
I'm seeing now, so Tunsa only had two holding penalties
last year, but he did have 19 total penalties.
12 false starts, three illegal formations,
two holding calls, an illegal and ineligible man downfield,
unnecessary roughness and a partridge in a pear tree.
And I'm also seeing that Quinchon Judkins
is not reporting to camp today
as he will deal with his rookie.
They told him, I think you said this yesterday
or the day before, they told him to get the legal situation
settled first before reporting.
Plus he also doesn't sign his contract yet.
Yeah.
All right, this is from Van Man.
I have the 16th pick in a 16 team PPR league.
I figure I'm looking at guys like Henry, Taylor,
Brian Thomas Jr., AJ Brown, and Drake London.
Which two do you like best?
I will go first and say Brian Thomas Jr. and Derek Henry.
Yeah.
I'll go Brian Thomas Jr. and Drake London.
I've really warmed up to London a lot over the last few weeks, just doing a lot more
research on it.
I saw a great stat from, I'll shout him out again, Ryan Heath from Fantasy Points Data.
London was among the top in the NFL, especially during the PENX games in first downs per target,
which is a really good sticky stat year over year.
And it's just that red zone usage that he's had is just really stood out to me.
I think there's the upside.
Like what we expect.
I, and you made this point, Jamie, a week, a podcast or two ago that were on that
really stood out to me as well about Harrison, where it's like, he still had
eight touchdowns last year, there's really, if he just gets that into the double
digits, he just easily returns value on his ADP.
I almost feel like London's in a similar camp.
It's like, when you just get him to double digit touchdowns and he's
easily returning value on his ADP. Just get it. That's in a similar camp. It's like, we just get him to double digit touchdowns and he's easily returning value on his ADP. Yeah, just get it. That's tough, though. That's a tough
ass.
Like his red zone usage. I don't know, though.
He had the highest percentage of his team targets in the red
zone and green zone, I think, or maybe it was end zone,
whatever it was. So that could easily go down because it's
really kind of nowhere to go but down for that. But I just can't
take him over AJ Brown because AJ Brown is such a superior football player to Drake London. That's kind of
I spent about an hour comparing the two and because I think they're really interesting.
You figure more targets for London. But we've also seen AJ Brown be on like 145 target pace before
with the Eagles when they're just 22nd or 23rd and pass attempts
that are 32nd.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani, M.D.
All before Barkley.
Yes, it was before Barkley, but it was with Jalen Hurts.
So, um, yeah, I'm like, it's easily brown for me, but I'll go.
All right.
So Jamie and I are going Henry and to, and Thomas and you're going Thomas in London,
you said?
Yeah.
Okay.
Alex says, what is your methodology when it comes to building projections?
What variables do you focus on? Which stat databases are best and how do you project risk?
Well, we don't do the projections. So sports line does projections and Heath does projections.
I think Heath used to. Okay. So what did you do?
Guest? No. I mean, that's honestly what it is, though. It's a big guessing game of, you
know, you look at what happened year before, you look at the changes in offenses and coordinators
and personnel, and then you sort of sort of you start to attach, you know, what you expect.
You know, he talks about this all the time. I mean, he's gonna write a story coming up
about vacated targets or vacated opportunities and so you start to say okay if the
Coaching staff is the same and the personnel for the most part is the same but there's one player that's changed or one thing
That's you know different
Do you just sort of plug and play the rookie that's been drafted into that spot or the free agent who's been assigned or maybe?
two players going into that so
And looking at the cheese for example, you know, you hear us say a lot we're expecting more, right?
We're expecting a better passing game because of the additions to the
Receiving core with guys coming back healthy maybe a change with the backfield because of Pacheco not being as healthy and some of the guys
There so it's a lot of moving parts. You take the history of Andy Reid
You take the history of Patrick Mahomes, you know, you mentioned Adam getting to what eight yards per temp
And you sort of say okay
Can you get back to that level?
And then how does that sort of play itself out
across the board with the receiving core and all those things.
So it's a puzzle you try to put together,
but honestly it's a lot of guessing of,
can CD Lamb get back to 2023 because Dak Prescott's healthy
as opposed to what he did in 2024
when Prescott missed nine games.
Can Jake Ferguson find more touchdowns,
just looking at a team in particular.
So it's a lot of historical data
and taking things that you've seen.
And that's the nice thing about where we are in our world
that we never used to get college target numbers.
Now we get those readily.
So you can say, okay, this guy commanded this many targets
from Chip Kelly's offense, for example,
and you start to put that into what the Raiders could look like. The first thing
I do is the Acer stats. When I want to really conceptualize, no, I'm serious,
when I really want to conceptualize what I think a team's gonna look at, I try to
take all of the healthy games for all of the relevant players. And this is why I'm
so high on the Bengals. Cause I look at,
I'm just going to give you Joe Burrows yardage pace over the last four years when he Higgins and
chase are all healthy. 4,956, uh, 4,968, 4,060. That was just a horrible 2023 year,
and 5076.
So I do not think it is a stretch to think that Joe Burrow
is going to throw for 5,000 yards this year,
and you want pieces of that passing game.
Okay, I've waited to move on.
What if the defense gets better?
I mean, like, there's other factors.
The defense hasn't been horrible the entire time.
What?
The defense was terrible last year.
This is four years, I'm gonna give you four years.
Okay, let me just say something.
No, we gotta move on. We gotta move on.
Quick thing. Throughout the history of FFT,
why have we never gotten a data scientist on at some point
to just explain how many intricate flaws are involved
in azor statting things and just,
cause I feel like no one's ever really called out
like the dangers of azor statting your way through stats.
It's just, you know, rose colored glasses.
That's what I'm saying.
No, it's just, this is how you project. You don't project, oh, he's going to miss three
games. He's going to miss four games. You project 17 games for everyone. No, you can't do that though.
Can't just A's or stat your way through life. Ask Heath. He projects 17 games for everyone.
That's what he does. He does not project players to miss time with injury. So you have to look at
guys' stats when everybody's on the field. All right, here is a question from Darren.
And he says, 10 team PPR auction draft, $200 budget,
six point per passing touchdown, two flexes.
I'm keeping lamb at 48 bucks and Irving at seven.
Who should be my third keeper?
Nico at 38, Higgins at 20, Jaden Daniels at three.
Ding, ding, ding, Jaden Daniels for me. Yeah, Jaden Daniels at three. Ding, ding, ding.
Jaden Daniels for me.
Yeah, Jaden Daniels at three.
That's too good.
All right.
What are your kicker strategies from Andy G?
Look, my only kicker strategy,
and I'll just be quick on this week to week,
is take the kicker on your waiver wire,
who is at home and has the highest point spread,
that's the biggest favorite that week. Say it one more time. You take the kicker off the waiver wire who is at home and has the highest point spread. It's the biggest favorite that week.
Say it one more time.
You take the kicker off the waiver wire or maybe hopefully I have somebody good, I
guess, but hopefully you're just playing the waiver.
I like me.
He's at home and he had his team is favored by the most points.
Okay.
All right.
We got about 15 minutes left for the rest of the question.
So light speed was too slow.
Jamie prepare the ship for no ludicrous speed ludicrous speed.
There we go. All right. This is from Mark says I love you don't
know that movie. Do you Dan? No, what movie is that? Spaceballs?
I love baseballs was a while ago. comb the desert. Yeah, I
like that.
What are you talking about? He told us to call the deserts what we're doing.
Love the Bahomes discussion that Adam and Jamie had.
One thing that wasn't mentioned is the chief's defense is way better now.
And there was a correlation between defensive points per game and the home's fantasy points
per game.
Right.
However, it is a good point.
I don't think it's necessarily I think it's called correlation and not causation because
the pass attempts have not been any lower.
So the last short pass attempts is that's what it is.
It's the short pass attempts.
That's my big thing is they have to throw the ball down field more.
But over the last two years, they've had an elite defense.
I've always had a good defense basically with spags, but elite last two years and they've still been second and sixth in pass attempts. So the difference is they're
not throwing the ball downfield as much. Are they being more conservative offensively? Dan, I think
that's the case you're going to make. That's the case I'm going to make. And I think you guys
probably could have corroborate that just from watching the Chiefs. There's so many spots where
I think Andy Reid has just taken the field goal because he knows he can rely on his defense. I think that's where the difference could come in this
year is like they've been so frustrated with this, you know, and so yeah, we're not going to change
the way defenses play them, but that's why I think you've seen what they've tried to do from a, um,
you know, personnel standpoint is like bringing in guys that they can hopefully open
things up.
You know, that's the drafting of worthy, the signing of Marquis Brown, the keeping of Marquis
Brown, you know, bringing in some, you know, speed at the backfield, uh, pass catchers
in the backfield that they think that they can use, you know, so I'm, I'm, I'm very curious.
Look, it's, it's, uh, it's hard to argue against what's happened the past two seasons because
that's kind of what they've become.
But you know, you just see the, the way that they've had to win games.
Clearly it's been successful for them,
but it's been a lot of ugly ways to get it done.
And do they want to change that if they can?
Right.
Wow, Dan, the Chiefs were seventh in plays last year.
They were 26th in fourth down plays.
Yeah, they don't go for it anymore.
And they, and they had the, the, one of the best conversion rates too.
But I know they're gonna, they have them all.
It's crazy.
I watch those games and he just doesn't care.
The fact that they had a horrible season last year, like for them losing
in the super bowl is awful.
They're going to come back and change things up.
Everyone says that.
I feel like that was the same narrative for last year.
It's why I bought into my home. So I was wrong on my homes last year. All right. Everyone says that. I feel like that was the same narrative for last year. That's why I bought into my home.
No, I'm just kidding.
I was way wrong on my homes last year.
All right. Here's a question from Charles.
Question about your views on Aaron Jones.
Who?
By the way, I skipped a question. I have to go back to it.
But your views on Aaron Jones in your consensus rankings,
Jones is 63rd and Mixon is 38th.
Last year, they were tied in fantasy points in PPR at 240. In your consensus rankings, Jones is 63rd and Mixon is 38th.
Last year they were tied in fantasy points in PPR at 240. Okay, that's definitely not points per game.
That's gotta be overall points.
Remember, Jones didn't miss a game and he left one early.
Mixon missed several.
Jones is 30, Mixon is 29.
Jones has an elite offensive line,
Mixon has a terrible one.
Jones' team added a running back last year in Mason,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
And you've got Nick Chubb and the rookie there.
Yeah.
Woods, what was his name?
It's a total wild card that they picked up.
Woody Marks.
Woody Marks, yeah, not Woods.
Aaron Jones just got a contract extension.
So anyway, he wants to know why there's such a gap between Jones and Mason.
Jamie.
I'm just concerned that what Kevin O'Connell has said this offseason is going to play itself
out because he seems to be an upfront and honest coach that he did not like the fact
that they gave Jones so much work.
He said that before they even resigned him.
I'm sure they had the plan in place to find him. And then they go and
they trade for a guy that I don't know if you want to say is, you know, the most proven
commodity out there, but you know, showed some flashes, you know, for the 49ers when
he got a chance to play for them as the starter when Christian McCaffrey was hurt. So looking
at Jones the last couple of years versus mixing the last couple of years, I think mixing has
proven himself to be a
little bit better of a fantasy asset and a little bit more consistent of a fantasy asset. You know,
Jones the last couple of seasons in Green Bay, certainly last year in Green Bay, you know,
banged up, missed a lot of time, not as productive, resurrected himself in Minnesota. And it's a great
offense to be a part of. And listen, you get Aaron Jones the right price. I think you're doing
yourself a service. But to reach for him and to say that those guys
should be drafted in similar range,
I don't think that's the case.
It's this simple.
You got to use the per game stats here
because mix and average is almost,
about two and a half points more per game in PPR
than Jones, it's a huge difference.
All right, here's a question from Michael.
Dear, 333, one, 456, and 27.
Every year we randomly determine our draft order selection
using an event like March Madness, the Olympics,
and even a Roomba vacuum with a knife attached
and balloons scattered around the room.
Last balloon standing wins.
I'm not quite sure what these numbers are by the way.
Yeah, that seems safe.
Yeah, right seems safe.
Yeah, right?
This year I landed the fourth pick.
I'm assuming that the first three people
will take the first three draft spots.
It is a half PPR league where we start
only two wide receivers, one flex, one quarterback.
If you were in my position, which draft spot would you choose
assuming the first three were gone?
Four.
I typically, I wrote about this in yesterday's article.
I like drafting six.
I like drafting in the middle
because you can avoid runs on players
and you can avoid having to reach on players.
This year is not as great to draft in the middle.
It's very rarely that it is.
I think just looking at the board though,
I actually kind of like the 12, 11 range
more than I ever have this year.
Like I like getting the neighbors and Brian,
Brian, Tom's are a combo like that. Like, especially in PPR,
this one less so though, with only starting to so I think
Jamie's right. It's a shallower league like this, take the top
pick.
So you know what I'm gonna say I shallow league like this, it's
gonna bump up tight end for me. So I don't want to draft too
early and eliminate my chance to get Bowers or McBride
in the second round. If you believe that McBride or Bowers could be there late in the second
round, then it doesn't really matter where you pick. Or you could say, your strategy
is Kittle in the fourth round. And if that's the case, I probably want to pick in the back
half of the first round. I don't think Kittle's gonna make it past like 40 second
overall.
So I would think about the tight ends.
I also don't really think it matters that much
at the end of the day.
Don't stress too much.
The only thing with picking at the back end,
cause I was very excited,
more so more excited about those spots
in the beginning part of the off season,
more so than the last couple of drafts we've done
where I picked there,
is if you're in a league, which I think most people listening will be where quarterbacks
are going to come off the board in the second and third rounds, it's going to make the
back end of round three beginning around for your first, your second turn through a lot
better.
If you're not and you don't want to take quarterback there, it's not as enticing.
It dries up, but I just feel like weirdly enough
at the top of the draft, the back end around two and three is kind of dry. That's why I like going a little bit more toward the end. Yeah. Well, if you think, well, if you think the back end of
rounds two and three is kind of no, no back runs around two early three is what I meant. Oh, I
don't feel that way. I think I think it's the I think it's the last I think it's after like 30 picks
Like to me there's such a big drop off from getting like a Brian Thomas has my second-round pick versus like a McConkey or Higgins
Or something like that. Well, you're also getting Jamar chase or Bijan. I know I know
I would agree with you on that
But to me there's a bigger drop off between McConkey Higgins chase Brown and then a guy like Terry McLaurin
Garrett Wilson, which I guess is the back end, the three. Yeah, the 314.
So I will say this in regards to our pick by pick, and you could have done this, Adam,
if you really wanted to, because I picked one and you picked two. So I took Chase and you know the
way I like to draft. I'm probably going to go one running back, one wide receiver, or one pass
catcher in that regard. If you, you took Higgins.
Yeah.
You probably had a good chance of getting Higgins on.
Oh yeah. James got to take it.
Starting to bang.
I don't know.
A lot of people want to do that.
I wrote about that.
I was like, Oh, first time it stood out to me.
True.
I didn't think about that.
And the funny thing is I took Chase Brown in round three.
Yeah.
Well, it's easier to get away with the receiver running back,
but like, do you really want to tie yourself into
and you made a case,
Joe burrow, 5,000 yards. Those two guys are going to benefit in a major way, but I don't think a lot of
people want to do that.
Like starting your team with your first two picks of chase and Higgins,
of Jamar, Jason Higgins.
Yeah.
I don't think people are doing that.
No, I don't.
I mean, again, could be amazing.
Right.
Well, listen to this, listen to this.
Joe burrows, ADP right now on fantasy pros is 47th.
Now this is four point per pass in touchdown league.
So I even there, I think it's decent value.
What you could in theory, if you had the number one pick, you could draft Joe Burrow, you
could draft Jamar chase T Higgins, chase Brown and Joe Burrow.
And I would do it just to have fun. Like I,
if it were my only league, I would not do it. But if I had that opportunity, I would do it
just for fun and see what happens. I think it would be a fascinating experience.
That's perfect for people who are doing these best ball tournaments during the season. Now,
I'm sure people won't, in those leagues, people like see what people are building and they don't
want to let them get those stacks, but that's perfect for like large scale tournament leagues.
All right. Got a few more questions here.
This is from Brandon.
Bijan Robinson is the consensus RB one on your show,
but I'm curious if you have any concerns
about his lack of explosiveness over his first two years.
Currently, the longest run of his career is 38 yards
with only five rushes of more than 20 yards last year.
It's a great question honestly,
and it's a weird thing about Bijan.
Are you guys worried about his lack of explosiveness?
I'm not. I think that's going to come around this year. He was an explosive runner at Texas,
so I don't see any reason he has no major injuries.
I know. I think it's a total fluke.
That's what I think. Yeah.
Not concerned. But if he is going to be RB1, he he's average 4.6 and 4.8 yards per carry.
Probably probably should be over five have that kind of special
year. Because like last year, Gibbs, Barkley and Henry, I
think they were all over 5.7, which was the insane. All right,
anyway, moving on moving on. From Justin. Jamie. This question was specifically for Jamie.
So Dan, you and I'll just shut up and go play tennis.
You talked about locking up Ken Walker and Zach Charbonneau,
Charbonneau in round nine or 10,
something similar for CMC and Garendo.
What are your thoughts about reaching around earlier
for those guys?
And would you do that with any other combos?
Connor and Benson, Montgomery won't be there,
but Jones Mason, thoughts?
I mean, look, if you want to guarantee yourself
that you have those handcuffs,
then don't look at what ADP says, you know,
and certainly start to look at what the draft board is
and where those guys are coming up,
depending on what list you look at,
projections list, rank list, you know, our draft room, you where those guys are coming up, depending on what list you look at, projections list,
rank list, our draft room, you could sort by the three
rankings, myself, Dave, and Heath,
you could look at projections, you could have a job position.
So whatever list you're looking at,
and they're starting to get there,
please make sure if that's the route you want to go,
you do it.
Yes, the Cardinal situation, the Viking situation,
those guys are easier to do because you're talking about a fourth or fifth round pick for Connor and a double-digit round pick for
Benson and Jones is going to go round six, round seven, and you get Mason easily.
The Titans backfield is easy to handcuff.
If you buy into those, they're almost all easy to handcuff
There's really no way to you know, get around it
I mean the one I don't think we talk enough about maybe two is
The Falcons and the Eagles now the Falcons is pretty clear-cut like Tyler Algier would be a league winner if he's on Robinson
We're to miss time. Yeah, and
The Eagles won like all we're saying, except Dan, cause I know
he still buys into Barkley being, you know, fine. But like, if you're concerned about
the workload for Barkley, if you're, and that's the reason you're shying away from, it's going
to be because of an injury. And if that's the way you're approaching it, that he's going
to miss time at some point due to an injury, you should be drafting Will Shipley everywhere.
All right.
I think those guys are worth drafting no matter what
because of that.
Agreed.
But like, if you're, like, I'm not necessarily saying
that Barkley is going to get hurt.
I'm not approaching it that way.
I'm just saying he's going to have a little bit of a decline
in production, which is why I'm not taking him out
of the first round, which is why I'm not taking him out
of the top six. Right. I'm just concerned based on like my biggest fear,
again, small sample size, every 2000 yard rusher has declined by 500 yards or more.
Everyone. Yeah. Every single one.
And I think, I think Barclay is going to have certainly fewer rushing guards. I do think he's
going to have more catches this year because I just think they're going to throw the ball.
Why?
Because they're going to throw the ball more.
Are they?
Yes.
I think they will based on everything they're saying.
I think they're going to say, yeah, they're saying it.
I mean, they're saying,
what does it matter what they're saying?
If they're still as dominant as they are in the run game
and their defense is better, which it very well should be.
Because you can't get Barclay that many carries again.
It's criminal. They can give them to Shipley though.
I mean, that's the thing I have with Shipley.
Like we have seen absolutely nothing from Will Shipley.
I don't know that he...
They're the Eagles.
They'll probably sign some good veteran before.
They'll be fine.
Well, they have AJ Dillon.
They have Dillon too, right?
Yeah.
Just get Dillon.
Like if you're the Eagles, there's just no reason to throw the ball.
All right.
We got to get moving here.
Apple Podcast question. Pete from Seattle.
I'm very sorry that I did not have time for your email.
My apologies.
This is a question from Seba Tura.
Oh, no, we owe him an apology.
We said there's no point for first down in the Scott Fish Bowl League, but there is.
There is. So if you're drafting there.
So I don't think there is on sleeper.
I think there is. But there we should know So I don't think there is on sleeper. I think there is.
But there we should know that because we're 17 rounds into a sleeper.
But there's like a tight end difference on sleeper.
Jamie that I know you're talking about.
All right, Jake from Highlands Ranch, Colorado.
Why are we not higher on Michael Pitt man?
If we think Daniel Jones is going to be the quarterback. Because Daniel Jones is not a good thing for Michael Pitt, but he was from the neighbors.
That's the point that Jake is saying. What do you mean he was from the neighbors? He
gave neighbors, according to Jake, 11.7 targets, 7.7 75 yards per game.
Now, I mean, like neighbors when Daniel Jones wasn't aligned up with Drew Locke at his best
game fantasy scoring game. So I mean, Brian D when Daniel Jones wasn't aligned up with drew lock at his best game fantasy scoring game.
So I mean, Brian Dable gave Malik neighbors, those 11.7 targets per game.
Brian Dable designed the entire offense around Malik neighbors.
Daniel Jones had none of that.
He just designed it.
He knows the highest first read throw percentage.
That's that's a Dable stat, not a Jones stat.
And so if you look at Jones, he was fourth worst accuracy, 20 plus yards.
So Pittman is not going to be doing things down the field in breaking routes.
That's not something really Jones does.
The intermediate level.
The only thing that Jones would be good for would be Josh down in a PPR league.
Jones will be bad for the entire offense,
including the deep passing game and Michael Pittman.
So people aren't high on Pittman because they don't want to be high
on the Colts passing game because they don't believe in it.
Yeah, we can show at some point of
Talent versus situation. Oh, yeah, no Josh
Yeah, so the the all talent team that would be for me say flowers Devante Smith
No, don't do it right now. I don't realize talent with those three receivers would be up there flowers Devante Smith and Josh Downs
It just feels like I see this so many times in drafts, especially with realized talent, those three receivers would be up there, Flowers, Devante Smith, and Josh Downs.
It just feels like, I see this so many times in drafts, especially with a lot of our drafts,
because I know the way some of the people on our staff think,
which is not the wrong way to approach it at all.
But it's like, you're drafting some of these guys,
like, oh, why, I don't understand why this guy goes there.
And then it's like, it's the talent,
you're drafting the talent.
Yeah, yeah, no, for sure.
And I've been blown away by what I saw from Josh Downs.
I think I was just wrong about him.
He's awesome.
The last time we talked about him.
He's really good.
And Matt Harmon just came out
with his top 15 wide receivers under 25.
And I think he was like 10th.
He was ahead of some guys.
He could have been a little surprised, Josh Downs.
Okay, Apple Podcast, that was the only two that we got.
So let's go to the YouTubers.
What do you have for us YouTubers?
I'll give them a little bit of time
to get some questions.
So what's up guys?
How are we feeling over there?
I mean, Dan's about to get fired.
He's 15 minutes late.
I've already pushed this meeting back to one hour now
It's 15 minutes late the last message I sent to RJ who's our boss
It was not responded to so I hope he's not mad at me. I said this show is running a little bit late today
All right, we got a fantasy cops. It's always Adam's fault. I didn't have my I didn't have my mixer ready
Hold on one second, please. Oh now his mixers not ready
Hold on one second, please. Oh, now his mixer's not ready.
Come on.
Is this the Fantasy Cops music?
It's been so long.
All right, here we go.
I need that music in my life.
A league member has not paid his dynasty dues
of last season.
I covered his entry fee.
It's July.
He's been a fantasy player with me for 10 years,
but always a headache to collect.
Punishment or wait?
I feel like if he's paid it off all these 10 years despite being a headache you just wait because you know the money's coming right.
Yeah it's a year now though. I mean it's too late. I would say this is your last time and you owe me
lunch. Yeah let's go man let's go. The fantasy cops have Luis's back here. League member,
pay your stinking dues. All right. What do we got here? Anything, anything coming in?
What are your thoughts on 0.2 points per carry in PPR leagues and how does it change ADP
for you?
So this is where people obviously get frustrated with, you know, PPR and the six catch for
third, you know, the Wondell Robinson of the world of, you know, benefit because they don't
do a lot post catch, but they get a lot of receptions.
You can certainly bump up running backs, you know, it'll probably change the ADP for, you
know, like how Adam says he's nervous about Derek County, for example.
So maybe that makes him a surefire first round pick.
Oh yeah, that might, that probably makes them the top five pick.
Right. You know, so guys like that, Jonathan Taylor benefits, um, a lot of current Williams
benefits, you know, all these guys are going to get a lot of work that, you know, the passing
game number is not going to be there.
So just for some, just sorry, just to just did the math. Uh, 300 carries in a 0.2 point
per carry league would be 3 point four fantasy points per game.
So that is enormous.
It doesn't you shouldn't bump up all running backs.
It's the ones that really stand out in carries that should get bumped up.
And the rushing quarterbacks are also huge here.
Like Kyler Murray is going to probably well actually he hasn't been running but he's usually
about 100.
So that's 20 points for the year.
It's not-
Drake May will be a nice one with McDaniels especially.
Yeah, so that's not enormous for him,
but it's a point per game at least.
You know, if you're getting 80 to a hundred carries.
So anyway, all right, let's move on.
Good question.
Dynasty Superflex, 12 team league PPR, Burrow or
Brock Purdy and Henderson.
Super flex Wow.
Travian, I think it's gotta be right. I know the answer for
Henderson's league anymore. Yeah, I know the answer for
Jamie.
I would take Purdy and Henderson.
Yeah, I've read like a lot of Jamie content
this off season.
I feel like Henderson has been
your most talked about player.
Look at his.
I like him a lot, yeah.
Yeah, look at Dan.
Look at Dan crossing his arms so blatant.
Is Dan bulking up in preparation for the tennis match?
Arm cross is comfortable for a podcast.
I'm not gonna lie.
I don't know where else to really put them,
but no, I'm gonna gonna lie. I don't know where else to really put them. But uh, no, bulk down. It's not that comfortable.
So wait a minute. Hold on a second. Hold on. You just sat here for an hour like this, but
you were pissed off. Oh yeah. Because look, when I'm doing it like this, it's still free.
But when I'm like jammed up in a plane, I'm like, they're touching me.
That's the problem.
He's impinging on my area.
And so now I don't want to be touching a stranger throughout the whole flight.
I don't want flesh to flesh touching throughout a flight.
I think people understand that we're talking about Adam, right?
Everybody's in short sleeves.
It's the summer and I'm, I got my arm rubbing.
Like I don't want that.
No, it's gross.
Uh, I gotta tell you, I, when I was thinking about this,
I was like, you know, every flight I go on
and I get off the plane and I just,
I turn to the person next to me every time,
I'm like, why did you have to bother me with the armrest?
Then my wife just looks at me and goes, shut up.
Yeah.
Oh man.
Is Chuba and Ingram for Kittle in full PPR dynasty
a fair trade?
Chuba and Ingram for Kittle in full PPR dynasty.
I like the Kittle side for sure.
I like the Kittle side also.
Yeah, I think it's a guess a fair trade, but yeah.
It's okay if you believe in Chuba.
From the gas man, how do they know I got gas?
Is Genti overrated?
Where do you draft and redraft?
Stum and Dumber, you've never seen him.
Okay, yep, sadly.
Is Genty overrated?
I mean, he might be.
I'm not taking him until 13th of April.
I like him a lot this year,
so I wouldn't put him overrated, I think.
Especially Chip Kelly.
The Chip Kelly factor is what really sold me
on Genty for this year.
All right, well, YouTube user wants to know,
Genty or Gibbs?
Well, let me tell you something, YouTube user,
you gotta do a better job of creating a username
if you want these questions answered.
This will be the last one we answer
until you either donate to St. Jude or change your name,
but I'm gonna go with Gibbs.
I'll go with Gibbs also.
You should change your name to YouTube user represents FFT.
Lawrence, was she rice in the eighth or James Cook in the fourth keeper league?
Interesting.
Interesting.
Oh, that is interesting.
Half PPR rice.
If you can keep for an additional year, I think he'd probably go rice, right?
I go rice either way.
I mean, cook is almost falling to the fourth round as it is.
Like there's no real value there.
And we'll keep asking again, we'll finish with this. Whatever
happened with Jamie's baseball league?
So we lost in the state tournament. It was just not the
the right situation for us. Unfortunately, I think we
probably maxed out our potential when winning the first two
tournaments that we won the team that we lost to
In pool play so you had to win basically you had to win the pool then when there was two pools
So when when your side and then had to play the other other pool winner
We lost to the eventual state champion in our first game and once we lost that game was basically over from that point
So competitive first game against the state champs, which was fun to see a terrible second game
I think our kids just didn't show up. And then we won our third game to
leave the state tournament one and two, but unbelievable experience. Really proud of the
kids. Yeah, heck yeah, man. All right, Matt. So this Dan, you better not get this wrong.
Grape jelly or strawberry jelly? Interesting. I think it's great for me. Oh, get shows over.
Go to your stupid call. I like Ray Shelley. I hope you
get, I hope you get suspended without pay for unreal. Have a great weekend, everybody. Thanks
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