Fantasy Football Today - Josh Jacobs News, Mailbag and Fantasy Cops (05/27 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 27, 2026

Beginning the show with news and notes (4:00) and our reaction to the Josh Jacobs news. How might the Packers address their running back room? We also have emails at [e-mail]! Let's give our thoughts on De'Von Achane (15:15), RB busts from recent seasons (24:15) and how we can apply it to 2026 and much more including some keeper questions and the Fantasy Cops (56:30) Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports. What a play! Can you believe this? It's a no idea. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races and he stays on his feet. It's just going to go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.

I thought it was going to be a Thursday bag, but Dan has plans on Thursday. So it's a Wednesday mailbag. Welcome everybody to fantasy football today. Dan, great to have you on, buddy. Yeah, it's great to be back on the bag. It's been a while. Listen, it's my birthday today. I was incredible to say.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. So I could think of a better way to spend my birthday than debating with you pre-show about all the stupid things we talked about and then rolling into a mailbag fresh like that. Yeah, I mean, Dan, Jamie, Dan is definitely one of those guys that, you know, it's my birthday. everyone make a big deal out of it. No, I'm not. Yeah, it is. I mean, if I invited people to come on the show on their birthday, anyone else that we do the show with,

they wouldn't have even bothered telling me it was their birthday. You immediately were like, it's my birthday, let's do it. That is so untrue. That is not how that went down at all. But in typical mailbag fashion, I'll let you have this one. How old are you today? Oh, that I'm not saying on there. Okay.

I said, can you do mailbag Thursday at 10? He said, not this Thursday. Can we do it next week? I said, yeah, I suppose. So I said, how about tomorrow? And he said, put an exclamation point at this. Yeah, let's do tomorrow. And then he put in caps, my B day, little B day bag, he said.

So, yeah, I think. That just excitement about having a mailbag on my birthday. It's something good to look forward to. Okay. Well, happy birthday. And come on. Tell us how we'll do. You're 36.

No, no, no. We'll talk about this post show. How is this a big deal? I just don't like it. I don't like doing personal info on the show. I'm not my thing. I've already exposed enough on this thing. Wow.

Okay. You don't want to say old you are? That's amazing. I know. I really want to. No. All right. I feel old, Jamie.

I feel old. That's why. The, you look old. The email address is fantasy football at CBSI.com. I'm wearing a 20-year-old shirt right now. That gives you an idea of how old I am. I was wearing a sweatshirt.

Because my high school kind of shirt. Did this to intimidate you. Oh, okay. You were in high school 20 years ago. So that means he graduated. Yeah. No, no. Then I missed discounted.

I'm not 38 yet. So you got it right the first time. Okay. Email address is fantasy football at cbsi.com, the letter I. and we're going to get to a few dynasty and keeper questions, but mostly try to keep questions that are helpful for a lot of people. News and notes, Josh Jacobs arrested,

charged with several domestic violence charges. And, obviously we don't know what this is going to mean for him. Jamie, it's not the deepest running back room in Green Bay. So who would you be looking at there if Jacobs were to be suspended? Today would be Christopher Brooks. We'll see if Marshawn Lloyd is going to get healthy. He's had a hard time staying healthy since coming into the NFL two years ago.

This feels like a easy connect the dots between two brothers making a trade between the LaFloors from Arizona to Green Bay. So we'll not be surprised if this is a James Connor, Trey Benson destination to the Packers to get some more depth in that running back room and alleviate some of the crowded running back room, alleviate the crowded running back room in Arizona. So it could be Alvin Camara, you know, could see that situation as well. But my guess is that this is going to be something that they have to, you know, you know, look into. To me, the one that makes the most sense will be Trey Benson because he's easily expendable in Arizona. You get a young running back that may have some upside.

They could get out of Jacob's contract, you know, just seeing some stuff yesterday if this is bad and they want to move on from him. They can get out of his contract relatively easy within the next year or so. And so maybe Benson is the, you know, guy that's the, you know, they could build around if they so choose. But I mean, obviously this is a running back room that is missing some depth and some proven depth, you know, after moving on from Emmanuel Wilson. So definitely a situation you have to monitor. I just, you know, getting ahead of it a little bit, Josh Jacobs was a late round two pick

for me. Now he's a mid-round three pick. So he's probably going to continue to slide. I wonder if we finally say hello to the ghost of Marshaun Lloyd. Remember him from dynasty drafts? a few years ago, just injured his whole career, but had a lot of hype coming out and was viewed as somebody who could be like a change of pace at one point, but I don't know what's going on there with Green Bay. Just thinking back to the backs that we've had success in that team and in that

system, Jacobs and Wilson, I don't necessarily feel like Benson's a fit. I do understand why you'd mention him. I think they're going to go a different direction. I'm just not quite sure yet what type who it's going to be. I just think the type of back it's going to be is going to fit the Jacobs Wilson mold. I just was thinking, you know, younger of the guys there that are expendable. I mean, look, if they can get Connor or Camara or guys that, you know, can adapt and have experience in different systems per se, more so with Connor than Camara. But, you know, looking at just they're in win now mode, you know, so, you know, trying to find

a long-term solution isn't probably what they need the most right now. It's who can help us in 2026. and maybe Conner makes the most sense there. Yeah, and we don't know what will happen. Let the legal process play out for Josh Jacobs, and we'll see. Okay. Patrick Mahomes participated in OTAs. Not to say that he was doing everything, but good to see him back on the football field. Yeah.

Nico Collins got a raise. That's also good. Seattle wide receiver Tori Horton's been dealing with an injury. He could return at the end of spring. and Jacksonville's offensive coordinator said that Parker Washington is capable of repeating and even exceeding what he did at the end of last year. And one of the beatwriters for the Jaguars is John Shipley. Yep.

He said Washington and Brian Thomas Jr. had great days in the first day of OTA's. He also said Bachel Tootin had a great day. And he said Trevor Lawrence is going to have, it was a very optimistic article. But he did single out. It's your favorite time here, Adam. Best shape of your life season. Yeah, absolutely.

But yeah, he did single out Parker Washington is having a really strong debut in, well, the opening day of OTAs. He'll be one of the more interesting picks in all fantasy, in my opinion, going into this redraft season, top five most interesting player. He's not, his ADP won't move to a point where, in my opinion, it will reflect what his upside can be. But obviously, there's the up. there's the possibility that because Brian Thomas was so hurt and all the other factors that played in the last season, that's why the volume was where it was at last year. I think when you watch him, though, he gets open with ease. And some people have said it's like similar to the paths of players like Amman Ross, St.

Brown and players who maybe not on paper look like the flashiest best receivers in the NFL, they just know how to uncover and the quarterback trusts them and goes back to them over and over again. I don't think his ADP will rise to a point where it will match what his upside can be. It's honestly the most fascinating wide receiver room. You can make a case for all three of their top guys why they should be the first one taken. You know, Thomas with his one season is, I don't think anybody can get to there of the other two guys. You know, you want to throw Travis Hunter and their three guys. But Washington, can he do again?

Can he do it again after what he did last year? And so far, it seems like he's off to a great start. And I agree with Dan. And then Jacobi Meyer's resume obviously speaks for itself. And so just what he's been able to accomplish, it's a good problem to have here, Jacksonville. It's very frustrating for us just knowing that you may take a swing at a receiver in this group, and you may miss just because the other guy or two guys are better,

simply because of what they are capable of doing. All right. That was Parker Washington that we were talking about there mostly. All right, Dan, I have a challenge for you. You missed one big one, what Todd Bowles said about Bucky Erie. Oh, injury timeline? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, it's terrible.

I mean, the fact that he says, I don't know if anybody knows how seasons work, but he said he could be the summer or the fall. The fall. It's pretty bad. What is to Adam? Guys, the resident person who weighs in and makes decisions on what morning is, what afternoon is, things of that nature. What is considered the fall to you?

Yeah, I think fall is basically, you know, when football. I would say, I would say Labor Day is fall. Labor Day is the beginning of fall. Interesting. That's early for fall. I would say that winter is probably like December 1st. That I'm more on board with than the Labor Day fall call. Because I feel like when we get closer to Halloween, that's when it feels like fall to me.

I mean, honestly, like once school starts again for the kids, I feel like summer's over. Okay. You're on that calendar. I get that. Yeah. So you guys in the Northeast, you still have good weather and Labor Day weekend. Like so it's true. That's my point.

Like we're still in that summer feel Labor Day weekend. Labor Day weekend? Is it hot? Yeah. Or is it folly? It's usually hot, dude. Okay. I don't know. I just feel like when football starts, when school starts, it's fall.

Yeah, I think, I think Frank in the chat said it best, summer is Memorial Day to Labor Day. Yeah. I like it. Exactly. I think in regards to the bucks, you know, Dan was just talking about ADP, this is going to be some, wild swings in best ball drafts because, you know, if you're hoping that Bucky Irving is still going to be the guy there and is healthy, this is going to drop his ADPs. I don't think significantly, but enough that it's, you know, a good value to take a chance

on him. It's also going to push up the value of Kenneth Gainwell and even Sean Tucker, and does that get out of hand a little bit? So, you know, you have a new offensive coordinator coming in and Zach Robinson. He did great things throwing the ball to Bijon Robinson. Now, obviously there's not a Bijan Robinson in this backfield, but there is a very good pass catching running back in this backfield. And so Gainwell is going to be, I think, probably overpriced at some point, where it becomes like, why are you taking such a huge swing at this guy if he's not going to be a full-time guy?

That being said, if Bucky missed a significant time, you might get a steal with Gainwell. So it's going to be an interesting one to track. It's funny because still in my Eliminator draft, and the news happened, right after I pick of Josh Jacobs. And the next pick after me was Christopher Brooks. And a few picks later was Sean Tucker. Now, I had taken Gamewell earlier prior to the Bucky News, you know, a few rounds ago, which is like two weeks ago. And it was because, like, I was just hoping for some cheap receptions.

You may get a lot of cheap receptions if Bucky misses a lot of time. The Eliminator Leagues, by the way, they're charity leagues for Fantasy Cares. They are guillotine league, best ball guillotine leagues. So they're 18 team leagues. And, you know, you can draft coaches. You can draft punters. It's tight-in premium, all that. Oh, beyond the clock in about, I'm like seven picks away.

I'll probably be on the clock in about three days. They go pretty slow, but I'm in round 12 now. Okay. Anyway, those are your news and notes. Dan, now is, are you ready for your birthday challenge? Yeah, what is it? Promote Beyond the Box score in 20 seconds or less. Beyond the box score, the place to come if you want analytics, advanced stats, and film reviews.

We just dropped a profile on Tyler Shuck, a very hot name in the community, somebody who could be a breakout this year. We're doing live shows with updated dynasty rankings, deep dives into other types of things. It's the place to go if you want to go beyond the box score. 18 seconds. Well done. Get it. Let's go. Let's take a break. Does that small time give me time later to tell you what grinds my gears because I've been waiting? Oh, I've been, I have a big what grinds my gears. Okay, let's do a little grinds my gear segment toward the end.

All right, I'm going to put it in the notes right now before fantasy cops. We have fantasy cops. So we'll do emails. We'll do grinds my gears putting it in the notes. And then we'll do fantasy cops. We'll be right back with emails, fantasy football at CBSI.com after this. Let's talk about Devon A. Chan. Devon A. Chan in three seasons.

What is Devon ETN? In three seasons, he's been the number four. four running back per game. The number six running back per game in full PPR in 2024, but number 11 and half PPR. And last year, he was number five or six per game in all three formats. Bill's email speaks to something that Jamie talked about in our FFT Express Busts episode. He says, I have some concerns regarding Malik Willis's playing style, how it might impact Devon A-Chance performance.

Given that Willis tends to either scramble for a deep pass or run the ball himself, he doesn't seem to frequently check down or pitch the ball to his running backs. Do you think this poses a significant risk to A. Chan's ceiling? Or do you expect Miami to design specific outlets to ensure A. Chan remains a productive part of the offense? Before Jamie answers and then Dan, I will tell you that, Bill, you are right to be concerned about Malik Willis based on, I think, 144 throws or something like that.

He's really barely thrown the ball in four seasons, but he's never thrown more than 23 passes in a game. He's made six starts. He's never thrown more than 23 passes. That's startling. He also has one of the lowest running back target rates of any quarterback that's thrown 150. Maybe it's 154 passes, whatever, 150 or more passes in the last four years. But he has had Derek Henry and Josh Jacobs as his primary running backs.

But, Jamie, you do have concerns about this, so you can kick it off. I mean, it started to show itself a little bit when Tua was benched at the end of last season. The targets went down for him. I don't know about the route participation, but the targets went down for for Devon, A. Chan. And I think you just look at it as the positive in this scenario is the team stinks. On paper, the team is absolutely abysmal. So why would you not feature your best player as much as you possibly can? And, you know, you're looking at it as if anybody can guess right now who the top three receivers are going to be in week one,

kudos to you because it's, to me, it's still a guessing game. We don't know who the first three receivers are of the step chart because there isn't anybody that stands out, at least again, on paper above the rest. We'll get some answers going into camp, but obviously that's the case. So I think just looking at it as A, hopefully they, or the pro is they should feature him in the passing game as much possible as a guy that's average over 70 catches in each the last two seasons and over 80 targets each of the last two seasons. That being said, you have a quarterback that wants to use his legs that they're probably going to have a lot of design runs for that when things break down, he's going to use his legs to, you know, get out of trouble as opposed to the immobile to a, and certainly the design throws from Mike McDaniel that favored Devon H.N. So I think there's a decrease in his passing down's work coming to some degree. And then this is sort of another layer to it. This team is not

competing this year. This team doesn't want to compete this year. They've kind of laid out that blueprint for you. So I'm thrilled that they paid H-N. I don't know how much they want to run this kid into the ground knowing that their blueprint is to compete 2027 and beyond. So it's just all factors into it. Then you take away the potential of increased touchdown chances versus now decreased touchdown chances because the team's going to be bad. It just feels like we're headed toward a struggling season for him. So he's going to make a lot of great plays.

He's obviously an electric player. It doesn't take much for him one or two runs to save your fantasy day. And then if the catch are still there, we're great. but I just think we're seeing a decline coming for him. So the people that are pro Devon A. Chan are going to say all this work is going to be there for him. He's the whole offense. For me, it's a little bit more of the negative side of things that I see too much. Yeah.

Dan, he's so good. I think the question is that let's say he has 50 catches or something. Can he still be a lot? You think that's a lot? Can he still be a first round player with 50 catches? 50 would be a lock first round player, I think. What did he have 70 over the last two seasons? You said, Jamie?

He averaged over it. I believe it was 72 catches each the last two seasons. Each of the last two seasons, yeah. That was that. Well, no, he had 78 catches in 17 games in 24. He had 67 catches in 16 games last year. Okay. So about that.

So he'd be a bit of a drop off. I still don't think. 86 targets and 72 and a half catches the past two seasons. What is that? I don't think he's getting to that number just based on what I've seen from Sloick. But I do think the efficiency could go up in the run game because there is the potential for them to work in zone. I don't know, man.

He led the NFL last year in yards per carry. Yeah, but that's he's been at like that since his days at A&M. Like he's been a dominant player from a yards per carry standpoint forever. Yeah. It's not just something new for him. He's a great running back. But I'm saying that because their offensive line took such a big jump last year. I believe they were one of the better run blocking units in the NFL.

And then they added Kate and Proctor in the strap with the first round. So I don't think it's impossible to suggest that. that Sloa can design something where they're using more zone read with Willis. The DNs can't crash down on HM because they have to respect Willis's possibility of keeping the ball and running to the outside. And that just creates some more gaps for HN. That's the positive case. I don't think there's any scenario where he's going to match the receptions he's got. And I'd actually be surprised if he even gets the 50 personally.

And then the question becomes like, you know, if he's getting even 50 or 40 receptions, are they the same kinds that McDaniel designed for? because McDaniel is really good at just designing different types of options for Achan and the bass game. If you watch back those Dolphins' offense last couple years, it's not just like check down to Achan. If, you know, Tua doesn't like what he sees through his first and second progression, it's not just a swing pass or a swing. There were these specific routes design for H.N., vertically speaking, and, you know,

wheel routes, different types of option routes, angle routes, because they were utilizing his ability to receive. I'm not saying Bobby Slow can't do that. But Mike McDaniel was really good at doing that. And I've seen a lot of coaches who aren't as good at that. And Bobby Slowick, nothing he showed me, you know, from what I watch in Houston tells me he's going to be that guy. So I think the receiving profile will come down to a point where he's slightly a bit of

an overpay at current ADP, but I don't mind drafting him where he's at. Achan or let's say half PPR, ACHN or Derek Henry? A, half. I think it's still ACHM for me. Listen, this isn't to suggest, obviously, I have pretty negative and Dan's not far behind. I think it's just a matter of like what your expectations are. So, you know, you say first round pick at him. We'll see where his ADP settles.

I think right now it's sort of at the turn, you know, depending on what sites you look at. So I think, you know, when you start to say, okay, him versus McCaffrey, for example, you've got to build him the risk for McCaffrey. Him versus the two sophomore running backs that are coming off, you know, either injury or disappointing seasons in Gentie and Hampton. I think that's a, you know, good place to start. Yeah. Chase Brown, you know, and people concerned about can he do it again? You know, I don't know why you still have those concerns, but can he do it again? You know, so this is where I think A chance starts to come into play. So I think if you're taking him in round two, you're sort of building in the

risks of what it could be. It's where, you know, he was, I think, at the start of this process for a lot of people, was he the third running back, was he the fourth running back? Was he an easy first round pick? You know, We had the conversation with Dave. Remember, Dave was talking himself out of it as we were breaking it down. You know, so there's just a few concerns, I think, when you look at what his, you know, ceiling is. I don't think he's played at his ceiling. I think he could still, or I don't think he can, I don't think he'll fall from his ceiling if everything is working out well for him. But I just fear that everything's not going to work out well for him.

You know, we see this with these just terrible teams. And, and sometimes guys are still really good. but this just feels like it's going to be a really terrible team. Okay. Let's go to our next question here. It's about running backs that are busts, and it is from Brian. He says, hey, Daniel, Pierce, Sean, and Timothy. Pierce.

Daniel, Pierce, Sean, and Timothy. Not my question. Nope, can't get it. Jamie? Done trying. Oh, come on, guys. These are James Bond. I don't know who Timothy is.

Oh, yeah, no. Mickey Dalton. I've seen at least one of the bonds. I'm trying to think how many bonds I've seen, maybe one or two, tops, and it's a long time ago when I was a kid. I haven't seen that many,

but the first Daniel Craig one is the goal, the poker one, casino royale. I never saw the poker one, which I did I love. It's so good. Okay. Brian says,

these slam dunk no-brainer locks of Bijan and Gibbs at one and two have me both excited and terrified of landing a top pick in this year's draft. It's just never that easy. Can you guys research the last 15 years of fantasy and share the results of the top two consensus running backs for each season? We'd love to see how they actually performed,

considering the riskiness of the position and the dreaded bust potential. Okay, I did the last 10 years. I did not do the last 15 years. There were a decent amount of busts. So we're talking 20 running backs. Let's see how many of them were busts. one, two, three, four, I'd say four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, eleven of twenty were busts. Wow.

Now, and who were they? I'll give you the performance busts. The performance busts were Todd Gurley in 2016. Sequan Berkeley in 2019, Sequin Berkeley again last year, Dalvin Cook in 2021, Jonathan Taylor in 2022, Austin Echler in 2023.

The other bus... The performance bust or that was the ankle injury? Which one? 2022 for Taylor. So, right. I mean, technically, he played hurt. So to Berkeley, right? Barkley in his second season.

Too much everyone there played hurt. In fact, three of those of those five performance bus or six performance bus, because Echler, too. Echler had a huge. He had a huge week one. He went 16 carries, 117 yards, and a touchdown, four catches, 47 yards. And I believe he had a high ankle sprain in week one. Right. And then he struggled.

So the only reason I called them performance bus was they didn't, it wasn't like Christian McCaffer, you played three games. Out for the year, yeah, right. It wasn't like Levyon Bell who sat out the year. David Johnson played one game. You know, so we had guys who played one, three, four, seven games. These guys played at least 11 games, 13 games, 14 games, and they struggled. But I would say the good news is most of these busts were injury-related.

If not completely injuries, it was they played hurt throughout the year. So that was the good news. The bad news is there were 11 players who didn't even come close, didn't even come close to finishing as a top two running back of the last 20 who were drafted to be that way. Yeah, I mean, this is the anti-fragility argument that we've gone over in the past on the show and you hate that argument at him. But when you draft running back, there's a bigger chance of injury. So you're making a bigger investment with a bigger upside because if a running back hits, he's going to be outscoring the receiver almost every time, especially if they have

the receiving profile there, the running back. But you have a better chance to bust. So it's up to you as a fantasy player, how you like to play that in my mind, at least. It's just take what type of risk do you like to take on. It's also when you're looking at these two in particular, they are right at the, I don't want to say the middle of their prime, but I think still on the front side of their prime. And so, especially in the case of Gibbs, like, this is what we were waiting for. You know, we were waiting for David Montgomery to be out of the way. And look, Isaiah Pacheco is going to do some of the things that Montgomery did, but he's not Montgomery. Right. So, you know, now the runway is as clear as it can get. And in the case of Bijan, like, which is why I think,

most people will still prefer Bijan, where I still think someone in the minority of taking Gibbs over Bejohn is that Bejohn is coming off this amazing season. So what this high-end profile and stud coming out of college struggle a little bit as rookie campaign, the last years have been absolutely awesome. And no Algeria, finally. Right. You know, so you're looking at just two guys that have barring injury, the chance to be absolute superstars. I would say that this conversation also, you have to, like, let me tell you who the top five wide receivers in ADP were last year. You're going to talk about running backs being so risky. Jamar Chase, C.D. Lamb, Justin Jefferson, Malik neighbors.

I'm on Ross St. Brown. Three of those guys were busts. One of them towards ACL. So I just went back while you were speaking. Sorry, I wasn't really listening. And looked at the wide receivers over the last four or five years. There are a lot, there are a decent amount of busts there too. I don't really.

That's going to happen more lately. I've done the research and looked at round two, round one and two running back. I haven't done top two overall, but round one and two running backs versus round one and two wide receivers. Running back has actually been a safer pick. They finish top 12 at their position

at a higher frequency than the wide receivers drafted in the first two rounds. Or maybe it was in the top, yeah. So I think I've pretty much, through my research, personally feel like I've dispelled this myth that running backs are riskier than wide receivers. I would say another thing that some of these busts had in common, these running back busts,

is that some of them were on offenses that really regressed. You know, that 2016 Todd Gurley, he was actually on the worst offense in the NFL or the second worst offense in both his rookie season when he was good and his second season when he was bad. Sequin Barclay, that wasn't really, I'll skip that one. But Jonathan Taylor, his team went from 11th and scoring to 32nd.

Austin Echler's team went from 10th to 20th Justin Herbert didn't have very good year and so Sykwan Barclay's team went from winning the Super Bowl to being pretty disappointing last year so to me I've flip-flopped on this but actually doing this today Gibbs is number one for me over Bijan

because I look the lions they have some offensive line concerns I think but I have a lot more faith in their offense than I do the Falcons All right question from Tom Cruise spelled C-R-U-I-Z-E, Tom Cruisey. Do any of you guys get in ruts where you put fantasy on the backburner,

like the motivation isn't quite there? I found myself here the past few months. I still listen to all the shows, but I'm looking to get hyped up for the upcoming season. Any advice? Dan, hype him up. Hype Tom Cruise up. I don't know if I've ever gotten in a fantasy rut with football,

but I can totally relate because this happens to me every year with fantasy baseball. I just get in a total rut, And then, you know, preseason for the NFL rules around training camp and all the intrigue from there. And I'm just out of the league at that point in baseball. And I'm not even a factor. And I blow it. But I think to get back into it, maybe you can start listening to Beyond the Box Score. It's a fun little show over here on fantasy football today.

Are you kidding? Are you kidding? You've gone over your 30 seconds now. It's my birthday. I'm allowed to do something like that. That's true. I think it's fine to be in a rut. You know, it's May 27. Yeah, we're not.

Don't worry about it yet. What you need is a training camp highlight to hit, some player that you love and he breaks it, you know, something fun, he does some crazy thing, and now he's moving up the depth chart. You need something like that. You need intrigue. Or Dynasty League.

Play Dynasty. Dynasty keeps you involved. Right. Or maybe you need something like, maybe it's your favorite player's birthday or something like that. Oh, speaking of birthdays, it's happened to be Dan's birthday today. My next question is from Kevin.

Jamie, Kevin says, why do you all do mock drafts? when best ball drafts are available. It's like poker for play money instead of real money. I mean, best ball drafts are awesome. We probably don't talk about it enough. So, you know, we can do a little bit better job of doing that. I think just in the case of, you know, what our audiences and what most people, I think,

come to us to look for is, you know, season-long fantasy, dynasty, fantasy, content, things of that nature. But, yeah, we, I mean, we obviously mentioned it. I think I mentioned it earlier in regards to our draft. But yeah, strategy in regards to it, I think just in terms of like the drafts that we do, you know, we're doing it more so for, you know, the majority of what people play for this game. Right.

How is different do you think a typical best ball draft right now would look from a typical 12-team PPR mock draft? They're not that far off. You know, I think the biggest thing. The back end looks more different. Huh? The back end of the draft looks more different. in the front.

The back end looks, you know, you're shooting. And obviously, rules matter too, you know, so, you know, in an eliminator versus, you know, season long situation. But I think just in the, in the biggest thing for me is the stacking, you know, so in best ball drafts, you're trying to win weeks. And the best way to win weeks is stacking, but that doesn't always work in redraft leagues. Well, Dan says rules matter. But I think what we've learned is that for Dan, rules don't really matter because if he breaks

the rules, he's just going to complain. loudly about the rules for two weeks. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. We're not doing that. We're not doing that today because that's not true. And I'll just be honest with all of you here. We've heard a lot of, we've had a lot of people reach out. And I have proof.

I've been collecting the evidence and cutting stuff up, sending a few here and there to you guys. People were on my side with that whole debate. Nobody likes Heath's rule. I don't think so. Nobody likes this rule. I definitely think that the rule. What else to say? The rule is worth revisiting.

Oh, yeah. How you approach the draft. But what was I supposed to do, Jamie? So the first thing I did, just to be clear, just to clarify it. No, no, no, no, no. You bring it up, then I get my chance. Okay. You already had it.

You already had it. No, no, no, no. You're going to hang me out dry like that without people who knowing the context. The first thing I did was trade back and give up my pick in round two. And I lost him. And he lost him and he lost. Right. Right.

It's number two running back and he lost. Right. And I don't need to say all that again. The point being, I didn't complain about that. The next thing I did. two things. That was the first thing. I lost the pick, which is stupid to begin with, but whatever, I didn't complain. Second thing it is, somebody

proposed to trade to me, and he texts him and he's like, dude, I did the same thing as you. I didn't even know about the roster thing. Now I can't make my picks. I think I found a way. I think I found a way around the system. Because in our minds, and I thought this was when the Heath minds do, I thought we all agreed, this is a pretty stupid thing that you can't drop a player to draft the player.

But no, I get, apparently not. You screwed up, though. You screwed up and not I already admitted I screwed up, quote-unquote. Yeah, that's a stupid rule. disingenuous admission because I don't really It's very disingenuous. Yeah, you don't even believe it. It's not the rule though.

The rule where you screwed up has nothing to do with the rules. Where you screwed up has nothing to do with the rules. I tried, Jamie. I've tried to change the email settings. It won't come to my email. It's not about that though. I don't have, listen, my emails are not working either. So you just know when the draft is.

I should have known when the draft is. That's fine. As I asked you on the last episode you were on, I said you play enough dynasty leagues to know that right after the NFL draft, there are rookie drafts, and he had posted messages. You should have gone to the message board and saw what the deal was and made the proper adjustments. I already admitted I was wrong on that.

I strongly disagree with Andy said, cutting down a team to accommodate an incoming draftic standard practice. No, it's not. Every other dynasty league I'm in has expanded rosters and you don't make cuts until close to the season, just like an NFL roster. So this is not standard practice. This is the only, I mean, 12 dynasty leagues, only Heist leagues play like this. And everyone who I've talked to since has agreed with me on that.

12 Dynasty Leagues? Yeah, 12. Wow. At least seven of them are basketball, though, which helps make it easier. All right. Three with us. Yeah, three with you guys. Right.

We're taking a break. We're taking a break. We got some keeper questions. We got some fantasy cops. We have, you know what really grinds my gears coming up after this on fantasy football today? Rees knows a thing or two about great combinations. Chocolate and peanut butter, obviously.

But there's more than one way to Reese's. indulgent Reese's big cups with caramel to crunchy Reese's pieces and Reese's miniatures. There's a delicious Reese's for every mood. It's the same combo you love, just with more ways to enjoy it. So whether you're snacking, sharing, or just treating yourself, nothing else is Reese's. Keep your question from Alex. Would you rather keep Bejel Tootin in the 10th round or Jonathan Brooks in the 14th round,

assuming we get through training camp and Brooks is healthy and looks good? So Brooks has been a big winner so far in OTAs. I know you didn't mention him with the news and notes, but he's moving well, looking like he's, you know, over the knee injury. Again, it's in shorts and, you know, no tackling, but that's a really positive sign. So what was the question again? I'm sorry? Are you two-ton in the 10th or Jonathan Brooks in the 14th? I mean, right now I think I'd go Tutank because the draft compensations close enough that you're taking the chance on the guy that could definitely be the starter versus the guy that might be the starter or might need an injury to be the starter.

I feel like they're going to give Chuba Hubbard a pretty long leash and let Brooks work his way back into it before we see the best of Jonathan Brooks or at least the full scope of what he can do. So for me, I would lean to it, even though it could be a time share with Chris Rodriguez. All right. Next question.

Kind of fantasy copsy. It's from Ace. He said, listening to your conversation about league rules for dynasty draft, I wanted to address dropping a kicker midweek for a pickup and then picking up a kicker by game time for a full roster. Is that something you all look at as cheating? if I understood your conversation correctly,

in my leagues, this happens all the time and is allowed as long as you have a full team by game time. That's not cheating. I think it's pretty close to cheating. I mean, it... It depends on what your roster limitations are. Most of the leagues we play in on CBS, most leagues I run on CBS, I don't want to speak for anybody.

Most leagues I run on CBS, you have roster limitations, so you can't do this. Right. So it, you know, I mean, this is a workaround of, getting away with carrying another player and then making a decision later in the week. So you're holding a player from somebody else because you don't have your quote unquote lineup filled properly. All right. Yeah, I look.

For example, you know, I'm sure Jake will love this. Jake Sealy will love this conversation. If you don't have kickers, you can't get away with this. Exactly. If you don't have kickers, sure. I don't play in barely any leagues with kickers at this point. Ace also asks, do you confidently draft the, what? No, I'm just thinking if I play in any leagues with kickers at this point.

All right. Ace also asks, do you confidently draft DeAndre Swift without Kyle Menongai this year, considering the usage as a rookie and being drafted? Anyway, also, that's a question. Do you draft Swift without Menongai and which Jags and Bucks receivers are you targeting? So the question is, do they need Menongai? I'm so confused. Do you draft, if you draft Swift, do you do it without Mnangai?

Do you feel like you have to handcuff him? Those are independent players for sure. I mean, I think it's similar to the Jacksonville situation. When I think about Tune and Rodriguez, I think the answer is yes. You look at those two run games, Ben Johnson and Liam Cohen. The best designs in football right now from a run scheme standpoint. That's what the tape said last year. You watch it and you see it.

It's so abundantly clear. So I want all four of those guys to me are good bets at cost. For the second question, I'm going in on a goooka this year. I've been reading a lot on what this new offensive coordinator is saying about what's going to happen. And it felt like he was kind of pigeonholed into a role last year that they don't envision is the best for his skill set, the best at getting him targets. And this year, they feel more free because obviously Evans is gone, but they have a different plan. They might even get Hearst out there at the X early, which would excite me because I've been watching and it looks like he's off to a fast start. So Egbuk is the guy I'm targeting there.

I'm really high on him going into this year. As far as the Jags go, I'm a Parker Washington guy, but I'm okay getting Myers at value. I don't think I'll be back in on Brian Thomas Jr., even at the depressed. value. I'll go back to what I said about the Jaguars a couple weeks ago, where if you're comfortable with your wide receiver group and they're all still on the board, the one with the most upside to me is still Thomas. So if I don't need to play any of them right away, I'd want to see what Thomas can potentially become. If I need somebody, I think, to help me right away, I'll probably go to Washington or Myers first because I think those are going to be kind of constant numbers

without just, you know, the potential of getting to that high-end ceiling. You know, Washington can do it. Myers can do it. But again, I think if they all hit their ceilings, Thomas is the best. So if I just want to see what can possibly be a league winner at a cheap price, it would still be Thomas first for me. I agree with Dan wholeheartedly on, excuse me, on a Bucca. And I think, you know, when you look at, there's obviously a lot of,

I don't want to say the bear's backfield is an ambiguous backfield. But I kind of look at the Bears backfield, the Rams backfield, kind of similar. Like you can get Kyle Monongai and Blake Corum, and they could be flex options for you, depending on how your team looks, especially in larger leagues. There's going to be scenarios where Quorum outscores, Kyron. There's going to be scenarios where Monagai outscores Swift. And then you have the injury upside that if the starter, quote, unquote, starter misses any time, like, Ngai could be a top 10 running back.

You know, Blake Quorum can be a top 10 running back. So you want to have those guys if you can't. So someone we have a comment in the chat says Parker Washington's target share was insane when all the wide receivers were on the field, all in on Parker. And that's actually not true. Well, you know what? Let me put it different. Thomas was really never healthy, that's thing. In the last six games when Brian Thomas came back from injury,

Jacobi Myers had a 24.6% target share. Now, Parker Washington, it's hard. He did have an 18.7% target share, but he missed a game, and he played less than 56% of the snaps in three or five games. So you can't really look that. But who was it? I'm sorry, who said it in the chat? I forget.

But, oh, yeah, Andy. This is a great number for Parker Washington. In those six games after Brian Thomas Jr. came back from injury, everyone was healthy. Parker Washington had a 26.3% target per route run rate. that's huge. It's a big, big number. So we don't see it in the target share because he missed the game. He didn't play that many snaps. Now, is he going to play most of the snaps?

That hasn't really been his situation for most of his career. But if they really like him and he gets that kind of, I don't think he'll have a 26% target per route run rate, but if it's 22%, 23%, then we're talking here. Brian Thomas Jr., things have to change. He had a 16.6% target share. Same as Brenton Strange. That's terrible.

and Brian Thomas Jr. had a 17.6 yard A-DOT. So that's the way it worked. It was Brian Thomas Jr. was the vertical. We used the expression. Everybody uses it, Sacrificial X. He was the vertical guy, 17.6 yard A-Dot. That's ridiculous. You know, Parker Washington...

But you know what Liam Cohen said yesterday? No. He wants him to push the ball down the field more. Yeah, but that's not a sustainable A-DOT. I mean, that's... No, no, I'm not saying for him. I'm just saying, like, he wants this offense. to be a little bit more vertical.

I think the wild card in all this, though, is, again, whether it comes to fruition or not, they have egg on their face for the Travis Hunter trade. And how much are they going to force that next year? What did you call the yolk, egg juice? Does you say egg juice, Dan, back in the day? I said, yeah, if you're making eggs, you got to have that egg juice.

You know, look, scrambled eggs, deece at best, got to have it see cut in and you get that egg juice. that you can, it's the best part of the end. By the way, just one final thing, Austin Lim, thank you, sir. He said, honestly, I agree with Dan because collusion warns that someone is put into an advantage position. And you guys, you two were simply avoiding being put into a disadvantage position. Oh, give me a break. That's right.

That's right, dude. Forfeiting draft picks in a dynasty league is a disadvantage position. It's as stupid as it gets. Oh, let's just play in a league where two teams are forfeiting second and third round dynasty. No, no, no, no, no, no. You didn't follow the rules. Oh, we didn't follow the rules. Okay. Are you telling me there's a difference between being put in an advantageous position and not being put in a disadvantageous position?

If somebody screws up and doesn't get the roster cut by the time you hit start on the draft and now you want them losing second and third round bics in a dynasty league. How dumb is that? We've already gone through this. What are we doing here? What are we doing here? Is that fun? You have 206 on red text messages, Dan. You have to. They're all group chats, dude. I can't keep up with the group chats. Some of these group chats are insane. You have you have to keep up with it. I can't read through a whole group chat during the middle of a workday. I don't even know how these people are able to text. You have to keep on with the communication in your league.

All right. Let's go. We'll go faster here. This is from Ted. He says, Dear Josh, Carl and Jalen. Josh Carl and Jalen. I don't know.

I'm in a 12-team, half-PPR, Superflex league, six point per passing touchdown. Two keepers count as first and second round picks. I have been keeping Jalen Hertz and Joe borough for a few years, but I picked up Jackson Dart. Am I crazy for considering keeping Dart over Hertz in a Superflex six point per pass and touchdown league?

There's draft values the same, first and second round picks for his keepers. So should he keep Dart or Hertz? Those are the only players he's keeping? It's a, yeah, forever? Yeah. That's tough. I think you still have to keep hurts. The question would be how much faith do you have in Dart long term going into

just a year two with Matt Nagy as his coordinator. I think there's a case to be made that he's a risky asset from that standpoint. But I don't think Hertz is as safe as people probably think he is. No, no. That contract, there's an out soon for the Eagles. So, and then if he doesn't, if he gets cut by the Eagles, I don't know, man, for him, generally speaking. And then his fantasy and dynasty value as well, like, I don't know where hurt.

I don't know what's going to happen with Hertz. If he doesn't, this is, this is kind of the situation for him. Okay. Next up. Uh, from William. I'm a big bestball fan. I feel like Dizan Stripling could be getting slept on. There's a clear path to injury concerns

with basically the entire receiving corps in San Francisco is Dijon Stripling worth a late round investment. Yes. I just wrote the 49ers Team Outlook. It's on CBSports.com. You have 33-year-old by the time we get into the season. 33-year-old Mike Evans, 33-year-old George Kittle coming off in Achilles.

You have Ricky Pearsall, who's played 20 games in the first two seasons of his career, so he's missed a lot of time. You have Christian Kirk, who's not obviously someone that they're heavily invested in. I think he's going to play a role. No Joanne Jennings, no Brandon Iuk. This is, you know, a guy that they're taking a lot of crap for where they drafted him. So they value so far from what, you know, everything I've read, his blocking ability, which is going to get him on the field. And so he may play right away. He may have a big role.

right away. And certainly if anybody misses any time, remember, Mike Evans missed a lot of time last year due to injury. If Kiddles not ready to go and they don't really want to feature Jake Tongas in the passing game, like there's a huge opportunity for him here. So yes, absolutely in redraft leagues, he's worth a late round pick. And certainly in rookie only drafts, you can make a case he's a late first round, certainly early second round pick.

He should not be off the, he should not be still on the board by the middle of the second round. All right. One more keeper question here from Brian. Dear, Carr, Stingley, Watt, and Henry. Those are D. Eric. Derek's. I'm so mad you brought this up again, Adam.

Now I'm all tilted. I'm talking to the chat. Just go bitch in the chat about it. I mean, you know, we've- It's just unbelievable that you brought this up again. I thought this was over with. I got lambasted on the show without even having to say a word in defense for it for days. I think it's lamb-based.

This is what it is. Look, it is what it is. It's over with. It is what it is. I have to do a better job of checking the league. Personally, I'm lobbying to get the rule change because Oh, you are? I haven't heard that.

Keith said unless there's an overwhelming majority, which I think there actually will be, but I don't think he wants to change the rule. This is a rule Keith likes. He actually enjoys this rule. So it is what it is, I guess. Okay. How do you feel about the rule?

I'm not really clear on that. I don't know, man. I mean, let's keep doing this. Let's have years where people are forfeiting draft picks. That's fun. No, no one forfeited draft picks. You won't. No, because we circumvented the thing,

but that's illegal inclusion according to you guys. So we actually should have forfeited our draft picks. That's what the end result should have been. Should we kick out a leak. Listen, I don't even want to get into it. All right, right, right, right, right. This is from Brian.

10 team full PPR, one keeper. Choose a keeper. Drake May in the 8th. Olave in the 8th. Pickens in the 7th, Bowers in the 3rd. And it's, what was the format? 10 team PPR. I'm going pickens in the 7th.

And this is not super. Alex, I assume. Correct. Okay. Drake, May and the eighth. Alabe in the eighth, Pickens in the seventh, Bowers and the third. I agree, Pickens. Dan, you know what really grinds my gears?

Yeah, what is it? You want me to go first? You want to go first. You can go first. It happened right before the show. You spend so much time remembering and memorizing your credit card number. And then, of course, you need a new passport, so you

Google new passport or whatever. You click on the first link and you end up giving all of your personal information to a scam website. So you have to cancel your credit card number. I know that. Yeah. I mean, it might be a different reason for you guys, but that's what happened to me.

And now it's been, what did you do? It's been like two months and I can't remember. I'm like two numbers away, but I can't remember my damn credit card number. And every time I buy something online, I have to get up and go walk across the house and get my stinking wallet really grinds my gears. I got to get this. thing remembered. Yeah, I got scammed. You got scammed on a fake passport website? I don't know.

I don't know if it was fake. I don't know if it was a scam. I don't think it was, you know, scammers, but it was not a dot-gov. If you're going to do this, it's got to be dot-gov. And I didn't use a dot-gov. And then I realized that I was like, oh my gosh. So no. Yeah, it was bad. So my advice to everyone, even before. What happened, though? What's the end result? Did you like lose money? I don't even understand what happened. I lost like a lot. I lost like a little bit of money, but they gave me a refund. But it just wasn't a website I should have used. Wow. But it freeze your credit. Dan, have you frozen your credit? No. Jamie, have you frozen your credit? Have ever had to? No.

Freeze your credit. There's absolutely no reason not to freeze your credit. You have to unfreeze it if you want to buy a car or something like that. But everyone, freeze your credit. There are three websites where you have to do it. It doesn't take long. I'm not taking your advice on websites. Trust me. I know what that. Frees your credits. Equifax. I don't remember the other. I don't know. Equifax.com.com. Freeze your credit. At the end of the day, I don't think it was a fake website. I think it was like a private service that does passports or something. You were way too young to be getting scammed on the internet.

I know. It was really, it was really bad. It was really embarrassing. My dad at at least five times, I feel like at least five times a month, my dad text me like, hey, Dan, I got this text from this and this. Should I click? I can't click this link, right? I'm like, no, Dad, don't click this link.

It's like my big fear with my parents, for sure. Because it's tricky. They trick them. They put Amazon. They do tricky stuff. It's really actually really screwed up. What grinds your gears, Dan? So the credit card thing grinds my gears.

I understand that. What grinds my gears in the past I've talked about the shopping cart theory, just to revisit that one. I believe that people who leave their shopping carts buy their cars in grocery stores to just roll around and hit other cars are some of the worst human beings on earth. Now, I've provided an acceptance. If you're a mom with multiple kids, I respect. You shouldn't have to return the cart.

If you see me ever in that lot, wave me over. I'll return the cart for you. Any other person, probably a bad human being, to be honest. I have people now who I think are worse human beings than the cart people. Yeah, yeah, worse human beings. These people are the people who your plane lands, you're sitting in row 27. They're behind you or wherever you are. Let's say you're row 21, 22, whatever, and they're in row 27.

They're behind you. All of the sudden, the plane lands, everybody knows there's time between when the plane lands and you exit the plane. This is common in society. You have to understand this. There are the people who get up behind you rush to it, get all their stuff, rush. Now they're standing. They're in your lane.

They're moving up as fast as they can. They're trying to beat everyone to get off the plane. Now, again, there are some exceptions. If you have a, if you have a connecting flight, you need to get to, fine, go ahead. I'll let you through. Usually those people are nice and they're smart enough. They say, hey, I got a connecting flight. Let me get through.

But there's people you can read at them, Jamie. There are people you can read. They're just bad people and jerks. And you know these people aren't connecting any flight, aren't going to any connecting flights. They just feel for some reason like it's their world and they are allowed to put themselves about, you know, pass everybody along the way and get off the plane first for no real reason

just because it's their wall and they want to do it. And so the other, this happened to me on a flight recently. And there's this guy right behind me, pressing through the road, pressing, pressing. And so you know what I did Adam? I put my arm up between mine and the row and the back of the seat and I blocked him. And I blocked him. And I was ready for a confrontation.

I was ready. What happened? He didn't say anything. No, he bowed down to the block. He just kind of looked at it. And I looked at him and we kind of gave it a little bit of testing got scared. This could get this could get saucy. Like I am not going to bow down to you.

I am not letting you push through this. Even like pressed up against it against it. I can put like a tiny bit of pressure on it. Like, oh, this guy will just break his hand and it will move and like he'll let me do this. I wasn't letting him go by. There's no go. You wait. You wait for every row.

And there's like elderly, like woman across for me and the other row, like the one, you know, perpendicular. And I'm like, let her get her stuff and let her get out, dude. Like, you're going to get off this plane in turn. And that's how it's going to go if I'm on the plane. I love it. And that's it. Yeah, that's a bad guy.

I don't like those people. He's a bad guy. It's not your world. Everyone's living in this world, not just you. Dan, I went out to dinner with, no, he's right. I went out to dinner with my wife last Thursday. and I pulled into a parking spot and bam, there's a shopping card in it.

And I was so mad. I had to get out and I had to move it. And I called, I said, this person is the scum of the earth. Oh, I love that. And my wife thought I went a little bit too far. She goes, there are worse things than leaving the shopping cart in the parking spot.

I said, you're right. But the people who do those worst things are the same ones who leave their shopping cart there. Well said. It is a gateway crime. And the same ones who rush off the plane first. Yeah. I think they can get, yeah.

It's the same. Gateway crime. I'm pointing that term. All right, fantasy cops. Let's do it. We got two fantasy cops here to end the show. This is from Jack. Ten Team Dynasty League.

It's a Fab League. We just finished our rookie draft and free agency was immediately open. We have rolling waivers in our league except for Sunday. Basically, he has fab every night in his league except for Sunday. To keep people from not having someone to be ruled out and have a start, blah, blah, blah. So our draft happened to. end on Sunday. If it would have ended on any other day,

there would have been waivers with fab bids. And it was the start of the new league year. So the resulting consequence is that everyone automatically went to free agency if they were dropped during the draft. We all believe there would be a bidding war for notable free agents.

So the person with the last pick ended the draft in the middle of the night and, well, chaos ensued. So please help us decide should those players go back into free agency or should people who grabbed what they could keep the players? I feel like you need a supplemental draft here. Obviously, the answer is not people grab what they could keep the players.

That's as dumb as it gets, and that's awful for competitive balance of the league. I think you need to come up with a kind of a like maybe an outside the box solution, though, like a supplemental draft of some source, maybe an auction where everybody gets X amount of dollars and these players go into a bidding. I don't know, or a snake. Well, no, they just, this is what I would do. Go back and you start the league on Monday. Yeah, you put the players back and then you do fab.

This is what they intended to do. You just do fab. And then their fab goes down for the year. They have less fab for the year. Yeah. Okay. All right. But here's the thing.

You turn off this Sunday setting until the season starts. Exactly. You know, because it could happen again. Unless that's where they've always done. It sounds almost like this league had a bad rule in place, recognize this. And now we're suggesting that they do something. They don't just follow the rules. rule.

Okay. Because it's a bad rule. They do something different. It almost sounds like that's a suggestion there for me to do. I don't know if I'm big enough on the right thing there, though. All right. Next one is from Vinny. All right.

Okay, arm block. Take it easy over there. Vicki says, our home league is entering its 23rd season with mostly the same group from Inception. And the league is extremely competitive. Love that. By the way, the movie Inception. Don't understand it at all.

I mean, they explained it. five times in the movie, I couldn't. Yeah, it's not great, but somehow Tenet was worse. What is that? Tenet was even more unexplainable and as dumb as like, here's a smart movie by me, Christopher Nolan. It's like, I can't follow this at all, and I don't know how any human could be.

Maybe I'm just dumb. Jamie, you liked it? Tenet? Yeah. I mean, it's good, but it's confusing. Okay. All right, league parameters in this league, 12 teams, PPR, six teams make the playoffs based on,

it says head-to-head standings, but I assume he just means record. with total fantasy points as the tiebreaker. Our league entry fee is $500, and we reward the team with the most fantasy points at the end of the regular season with $1,000. So that's a $500 profit. Should be more, but yes.

We implemented a rule about 15 years ago called The Decision. That's funny. If a team that has the most total fantasy points at the end of the regular season does not qualify for the playoffs, so it doesn't finish top six in head-to-head, that team has the option of either receiving the $1,000 payout

or taking the final playoff spot. Wow. If that team takes the final playoff spot, they have to give the $1,000 payout to the sixth seed that got booted as compensation for being removed from the playoff field. That's awesome. The booted team ends up profiting $500 for the season, which is not too shabby.

Our thought is that any league that doesn't have the team, with the most regular season fantasy points in the playoffs cannot be taken seriously. This rule almost came into play last year but didn't, and many members want the rule thrown out. Thoughts, is this rule whack? It does get extra league-wide attention during the final week of the regular season. This rule is unique. It's fun. It's interesting.

It's something I haven't heard before. I think it makes your league different, and I like it. I would not get rid of this rule. Yeah, I think it's great that you're rewarding the person for finishing first and total points. and then you're giving them the option. Now, I guess the only thing would be is, has there ever been any collusion situation of, hey, listen, man, my team, sir.

You know, your team has a better chance to win. Let's split the $1,000. And that, you know, kind of throws things off. You know, I can see a certain member of our staff doing that. But if they split the $1,000, it's only a $500 profit. Yeah, but they, they, They both. Yeah. One is still good.

So like, hey, if I win the whole thing. Yeah. Okay. I like the rule. I mean, I do have the rule itself, though. I do have a rule in my leagues where the highest point score is guaranteed to make the playoffs and would get the sixth seed and would bump the other six. I've seen the leagues where it's like the five seeds are determined and the six seed goes

to whoever has the highest points remaining, which I also think is a good rule. Well, mine's a little different than that. Mine only comes into play if the highest scoring. team did not make the playoffs. Ours is just that last seed is always going to the highest points remaining, which I think is great. Like last year, that team ended up winning the league. I don't know.

Let me ask you a question. Let's say the sixth seed, like the number one seed scores the most points. So the number three seats scores the most points. The sixth seed, if you go by record, is three games better than the team that has the most points. And the team that has the most points is 30 more points than the six seed. I don't think that team should make the playoffs. Are we talking about in Apex scoring or in regular scheduling?

regular scheduling. Then I do think the higher point team should make the playoffs. And if it's APEC, I'm more along on the sides. I think the schedules for the most part of just luck-based joke. I mean, it's fun to follow. It gives us something a rube for on a week-to-week basis. But if you're not using Apex scoring, it's just very luck-based. How much do you think in my home league?

Of course, it's luck-based the schedule. What do you mean? It's a little bit of luck, but it's not, I mean, you're making it out to be like, you get no credit for drafting a good fantasy team. It just happens to be, did you play a crappy team that week? That's not it. I mean, it's not. A lot of the stand, a lot of the record.

is luck base, yes. No, it's not having good teams. You play one team a week. Well, it depends if your record doesn't match your points, you know. Right. That happens all the time. If you're the number one seed and you're like fifth in points, then you're benefit, obviously, from a great record.

There's times I also think. Seven seed be first in points. Seven seed be second in points. I also think that you can have a lot of points and not that great of a record if you have a really inconsistent team. That is also true sometimes. There's also times, like, to say schedule is not a lot, luck-based thing. There's times you could fate, you have just the year where you are the

team that plays that has all you never hit a team when they play have their buy weeks they're good players on biways that happens all the time that doesn't happen all the time we don't you don't know that that happens there's a lot of bad seasons i've seen where teams are first or second in points and they don't make the playoffs that's to me i've never seen that it has never happened since my leagues have switched to apex scoring i've never seen the rule that i have in place i've never actually implemented where a team leads the leads the league in scoring and hasn't gotten a top six seed now i've done it for that long before apex scoring it happened multiple times times in my home league twice actually one time the team had the most points the second time the

team of the second most points by the way how much do you think in my league of the pot my home league we assigned two points winners first and second we give what would you guess 30 percent 50 percent and we're proud of it we are proud of it the best teams deserve to get paid that's how it is we don't go by the scheduling luck we want the teams that are actually drafted the best to get rewarded for it um and playoffs are still fun you know there's still 50 50% of the pot in there. So I think it's more. Do you do Apex scoring?

Yes, we do APEC. So then where is the scheduling luck? It's still luck, dude. Like, it's still luck to get like who you get put in the, like, Apex for those who don't know, it's, you get two records each week. So you get one for who you play in your schedule. That's 1 and 0. And then the top six teams get a win and the bottom six teams that that week get a win.

If it's a 12 team league. So you can go one in one, two and O and two. It does make it better and less luck. There's still luck and schedule. Okay. All right. It's a lot of money for not the non-playoff winner, but those are the best teams. They deserve something.

Any final thoughts, Jamie? You know what? Grides my gears? What? When podcasts go too long. It's an hour. You should never join us on Beyond the Boxer, though we'd love to have you on. You should hear Dan's new rating system beyond the box score. Oh, it got destroyed.

You heard about this? I listened to a little bit. You listened to it. Oh, God. It seemed fine. I only got- It went off the rails fast. I seem fine from what I heard.

Oh, it went off the rails fast and I got destroyed in the comments for it. It was not an understanding that it was mostly in jest. Like we were doing a per fun episode. It's the middle of May, guys. It's fantasy football in the middle of Matt. I do have one thing that does grind my gears. The fact that I wasn't considered the most patient person on our show. Wow.

Who rated that and who considers that? I would say. The fact that Dave and Heath don't have to listen to the two of you bicker sometimes. Who is the most patient for? It's certainly not Adam. He's least. No, Dave, Dave was considered the most patient person in the job.

It's either you or Dave. It's definitely either you or Dave. They don't have the poll results anymore. Heath has like the stoism. I don't know if that's considered patience. He's stoism. I can see Heath sometimes, like, the vein is about to pop up his neck because he's getting.

He does a good job of not reacting at all. He's very stoic. You are obviously last. on this list, Adam, I think that goes without saying. I do interrupt Dave the most, I think. So I gave him points. Dave also interrupts you the most. Does he?

You guys don't interrupt me that much. I think we know who the least patient is if you consider me and that it's clearly me. And Adam, you are clearly second in that regard. Yeah, no, I'm very impatient. In fact, I was just, yeah, but never mind. All right. We will talk to you tomorrow with another edition of fantasy football today.

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