Fantasy Football Today - Key Injuries and Rankings Risers! Cooper Kupp, Chase Brown and More (08/05 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: August 5, 2024

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This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. What a play! Can you believe this? No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races! And he stays on his feet. It's just gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today presented by BetMGM. We've got some pretty big developments

to talk about. Carolina rookie running back Jonathan Brooks maybe not making his debut until week three or four. Pukunukua and three Rams offensive linemen are week to week. Pukunukua with a knee injury. We've got an update on maybe the Chiefs passing downs guy we heard from Andy Reid. So we'll talk about that. I am Adam Azar. I'm with Dave Richard and Jamie Eisenberg today. Dave, which Thursday night preseason game are you looking forward to more? The Panthers Patriots or the Lions Giants or door number three? You could be a company man and you could watch Big Brother and Young Sheldon on CBS. Yeah, I'm definitely going to watch Big Brother and Young Sheldon and DVR the games and go through them with a fine-tooth comb. If I had to pick a game, I think it would be Panthers-Patriots

because Lions and Giants are scrimmaging this week, so they're probably going to play nothing but third stringers in the preseason game. That's fast. That could be true. Okay, well, maybe we'll get to see a little Drake May on Thursday night. This is preseason week one week, so we're excited for that. Two games on Thursday, three on Friday, and then the rest over the weekend.

Jamie's here as well. Jamie, don't get mad at me. I fell asleep during House of the Dragon last night. I mean, I'm not surprised by you. You know what it was? It was a very good episode. It was not the best end of season episode. I'm not saying anything,

but it just felt like, if you're a Game of Thrones fan, it felt like it was like episode eight of a 10 episode season as opposed to an eight episode season. That's a little frustrating. All right, risers and fallers today. Let's get one big riser,

one big faller. Just tease a few other things coming up. We'll talk about DeAndre Hopkins. We have an update on him. What ESPN's reporter, Bengals reporter Ben Baby said about the Bengals backfield. What Chris Godwin said about his knee. And an update on the Chargers wide receivers and more. But Dave, why don't you start?

Give me a riser for you. The receiver that's gone up the most, literally the most spots since training camp opened is rishi rice and it's because i don't know if a suspension's coming and reports have been positive about all the receivers in kansas city i don't think that that should be a surprise to anybody but he's the one that already had some chemistry developed with patrick mahomes should be maybe a slight favorite to lead all wide receivers in targets in Kansas city. And if he plays 17 games,

we know he's going to have a shot at scoring a bunch of touchdowns. I don't know how many big game, like nine for 120 yards he's going to have, but I think he'll be solid. And I think he's a good wide receiver three. He's my number 30 wide receiver. As we speak today, Rasheed rice up to 30 for Dave and Jamie,

where do you have Rasheed Rice? 29. All right. So he's a top 30 guy for you too. Last six games of the season, Rasheed Rice was a top six wide receiver overall and half and full PPR. He was 12th per game and half PPR. He was eighth per game and full PPR on pace for 159 targets, 122 catches, 1,468 yards, eight touchdowns. My question is, could you see him moving into the top 24? Or is this, do you think, kind of capping it for him around wide receiver 30 for Rishi Rice? I mean, you know, you had the situation last year

where it was a bunch of stiffs around him, and now you got some pretty legitimate competition for targets. So I think you got to be a little bit cautious with it. There's still a chance of a suspension that we don't know could arise whether the NFL decides not to wait for the legal process or not. So for me, he probably won't go much higher, maybe 23, 24 at the best. But for the most part, he's going to live in that 24 to 30 range. I've got DJ Moore at 22, Michael Pittman at 23, Amari Cooper at 24. I don't think I see Rice leapfrogging those guys. I think that they're set in positions where they

can be number one receivers for their respective teams, average eight targets per game, and not have to worry about two other faster receivers taking some work away from them. All right, Jamie, who's a big riser for you? I didn't have anybody significantly jump, but Ty Chandler moved up for me. Well, I mean, aside from the injury situations with Jonathan Brooks, for example, but non-injury related, Ty Chandler. It feels as if we're going to see a 50 50 splitter close to that in the vikings backfield with aaron jones leading the way but i'm i'm a little scared of aaron jones to begin with just because at his age injuries last year so chandler

moved up about seven spots in my rankings from running back 49 to 42 um he may creep up a couple more spots as well as continue to tweak it but um i'm just gonna let somebody else draft aaron jones i'm gonna target ty channell you think 50 50 i'd be surprised but that's what you're hearing uh you know from some people that have covered the team or been around the team and so it's a shock it's gonna be close yeah hey quick note everybody by the way just on a technical side here jamie uh is stuck in the northeast because of the hurricane in Florida. I know it's up in the panhandle. So I know he doesn't sound like he usually does. I just want to give a heads up there.

We appreciate what he's doing, making sure he's got time. He's carved out time for a whole bunch of shows. So thank you to Jamie for doing that. He's supposed to be in Florida right now, but plans have changed. So if it sounds a little bit different, just want to let you know the reason why. Also, we recorded Running Back Preview Part 1 last night. It's available on YouTube if you want, or you can just wait until Tuesday. Just wait for it to come out, the audio version of it. But Running Back Preview Part 1,

we recorded on Sunday to air on Tuesday. Part 2, we're recording tonight to air on Wednesday, and then we'll have Wide Receivers Part 1 and 2 on Thursday and Friday. We're recording tonight to air on Wednesday, and then we'll have wide receivers part one and two on Thursday and Friday. We're doing that, you know, on Thursday and Friday. All right, Ty Chandler, a riser. Rasheed Rice, a riser. Let's get some fallers here.

Jamie, who's a rankings faller for you? Again, without the injury-related stuff. It can be. You can talk about Jonathan Brooks. I mean, let's go for it. Yeah, I mean, Brooks dropped 11 spots for me from RB21 to RB32. It's frustrating because I'm still excited for him this season.

But we're already in the early part of August, and now you're hearing week three. They sound like they have a smart plan for it, which is great. But what if it's not week three? What if it's week four? What if it's week five? What if it's week six? So as we get closer to the season, maybe I'll continue to move them up a little bit. And obviously the flip side of that is Chuba Hubbard moved up, you know, significantly as well. He's now up to, you know, running back 39, but are they going to give Brooks the majority of the carries early in the season? You know, clearly it could be a Brees Hall situation. You know, that was kind of my hope all along that, you know, younger running back get an opportunity

to come back from knee injury injury he suffered in November. But rookie, new offense, missing time, it may take some time before we get the best of Jonathan Brooks. So I'm still going to target him. I'm still going to draft him, but I just can't pay the cost I was paying before. Okay, quick Hubbard question. Would you rather have Hubbard or Ty Chandler?

Depends on my build. If I have an opportunity, then I need somebody right away, I'm going to obviously take Hubbard, you know, so zero RB approach here, RB approach to a Hubbard, more of a target. If I'm looking more longterm and I want to have somebody that I think could help me middle to the end of the season,

I'll probably take Chandler. And both of you can answer now. Would you rather have Jonathan Brooks or a Steelers running back? I, I have Najee ahead of Brooks as of now. Jonathan Brooks or a Bengals running back? You know, it was interesting because prior to this weekend, both Steelers running backs for the most part were going ahead of Brooks anyway.

I currently have Brooks over both Bengals running backs. I have it Brown, Brooks, Moss. And Titans running backs. Both Titans over Brooks. I have both Titans under Brooks. We have some interesting observations from the chat. True or false on this one? Jamie looks like he's going golfing later.

You know, I didn't bring appropriate clothing for a lot of the shows that I have to do today. So this is, this is what I'm wearing. And if anybody saw me at the flex draft, I wore this on Saturday too. Adam, the type of dude to take,

thank God for laundry. Adam, the type of dude to take 20 minutes from the mint bowl after eating at a restaurant. Oh, come on. I wouldn't do something like that. But he did also say I'm the type of dude to eat eggs Benedict without the

Hollandaise sauce. That is a hundred percent accurate. Hollandaise sauce. That is 100% accurate. Hollandaise sauce ruins Eggs Benedict. Dave, who's a rankings follower for you? Let's talk about DJ Moore. I mentioned him being at 22 in my rankings at receiver. He was a top 15 receiver for me. Kind of when training camp started.

It's not necessarily because of anything that DJ Moore did during the training camp. It's more about a conversation that we had a week ago on Fantasy Football Today on CBS Sports Network when we were talking about Malik Neighbors. And Neighbors was in a situation or is in a situation, should be the top target getter in New York, doesn't have a great quarterback. Well, what did that do for DJ Moore last year? He had a monster season, tons of targets. And then I did some studying on that. So that got me thinking, well, maybe DJ Moore obviously isn't in the same situation. How much worse can it get? Can he average eight targets per game? I don't think he can. I think that there's just too many other mouths to feed in that offense. And that just

dropped the ceiling for him. And I've been saying it all off season long, don't draft players at their ceiling. You've got to really love somebody to take them at their ceiling. I would rather draft DJ Moore. He's one of those players I like, don't love, would rather draft him closer to his floor. For me, that's turned into that round four or five range. And so now I'm not going to be the one getting DJ Moore in all of our drafts. He's falling to a spot now where everybody can have a shot at him. And I think it's the right move. I think he can average over seven targets per game game but i don't know if he can go out and have another year like he did last year so as an example i i look at i look at uh mike evans is a line of demarcation okay he's 15 ppr points per game that's what he always is last year was more than that obviously

dj moore has fallen behind that i think dj mo Moore is in that 13.5-14 PPR point per game range. He's a faller. Both 49ers guys over him. That's easy, right? Easy. How about Pittman or DJ Moore? I have Moore over Pittman because I'm even as bearish as I've become on DJ Moore. I'm even more bearish on Pittman.

Malik Neighbors? Over both. Malik Neighbors over DJ Moore. Malik Neighbors. Well, it's what the whole conversation kind of did to me. It's by one, they're back to back. 21-22. Okay. And how about George Pickens or DJ Moore? Pickens is ahead of

Neighbors and Moore. Okay. All right. I want to talk about another bonus riser, which we'll do in a little bit. I got to promote a few things here. Der, which we'll do in a little bit. Um, I got to promote a few things here. Draft-a-thon. Okay. We've got a draft tomorrow night, Tuesday night, 8 PM Eastern. Need your help here. We got five or six spots left in the draft. It's me and a bunch of listeners. So please come on in and we're going to do a live stream at 8 PM Eastern. And it's, we want to see how you all are drafting. It's going to be a full

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Now you got Puka Nakua with an injury week to week. Not a serious knee injury here. But, Jamie, how far, if at all, has Cooper Cup risen for you? So, prior to the news this morning, I did move him up about three or four spots. I think he's around wide receiver 15. It's going to be hard not to move him up

another spot or two as well. The positive news is that Puka's not expected to miss any game time and it seems like it's a it's a minor injury but any injury is obviously going to sort sort of start to you know shift the the pendulum a little bit maybe in favor of of cup over over nakua i'm not there yet but you have to drop puka a few spots you have to raise cup a few spots and you know, you know, again, you're looking at somebody who, if he's healthy in Cooper Cup, could be a significant difference maker. The problem is for the last couple of years, he's battled these nagging injuries. And how healthy will he be at 31 years old? So don't overreact to it too much.

But, you know, I can't sit here and say I'm nervous about Devante Adams and Mike Evans at their age and not be the same about Puka, but also having them all ranked in a similar range as well. So that's kind of what I did. I moved them all back to back to back. I think it's smart to start that conversation with who are you more comfortable with Cooper cup or Devante Adams? And I think I know your answer. I would guess that your answer would be cup because it's not a better quarterback, right?

It's Adams just because Puka's there. Oh, okay. I'm surprised. If Puka's out, like if this was awful news and we got Puka's there oh okay I'm surprised if Puka's out like if this was awful news and we got Puka Nakua is missing half the season or more then it would be cut but you're still looking at 100 150 to 180 targets for Devante Adams right so that's the edge that Devante Adams will have on top of that I think Adams will probably have a higher a dot and and and all that jazz they'll both be used a ton in the red zone but i i think there's

a case to be made that if you just if you look at davante adams and you go you know what he was terrible last year or he wasn't what we thought he'd be he wasn't worth a top 20 pick last year and he could take another step forward or step backward this year cup is the pick and cup is who you would take ahead of davante adams i'm not'm not there yet. I still have Adams over Cup, but I think they're very close in range and close in terms of profile. Older wide receiver, we know what they're capable of. We know their upside

is north of 20 PPR fantasy points. It's just a matter of what's the path for them to get there. And the very first part of the path for Cup is playing 17 games. And that's something that I'm still nervous about. I know he's healthy now, but I'm still a little nervous about saying, oh yeah, I don't worry about

Cooper Cup. He's going to be just fine. Let me give you a hypothetical start to your team. You take Jameer Gibbs in round one and Saquon Barkley in round two and Cooper Cup in round three. You got the 11th pick overall.

I'll give you a real-life scenario because it just happened in the flex draft that I was in where it was Jameer Gibbsbs and jonathan taylor at 12 and then cooper cup and michael pitman in rounds three and four that was to our buddy alfredo brown nice what do you think so i don't love the pitman pick myself but you know you're you're getting into i believe it was like wide receiver 18 or 19 in that range. The next receiver that went, which is what I would have done if this was the options available would have been cup and Malik neighbors. So I don't know if you feel better about that,

worse about that. That's just what I would have done, but that was the next receiver off the board. So could have gone Gibbs, Taylor cup neighbors. And I have no problem with that at all. You have the draft open. I do. All right. So he goes Taylor and Gibbs have no problem with that at all. You have the draft open? I do.

All right, so he goes Taylor and Gibbs. I'm sorry, excuse me, Barkley and Gibbs, excuse me. Okay, Barkley and Gibbs at 12-13, and then Cup and Pittman at the 3-4 turn, 36-37. Yep, and neighbors was still there. Okay, now do this. Now we're taking neighbors. Now take Gibbs and a wide receiver

and take cup and a running back and tell me what that team would look like so he passed on garrett wilson so it went nakua at 11 12 and 13 and took wilson i'm sorry wilson was next year so he could have gone barkley wilson or gibbs and wilson because he took bark next year. So he could have gone Barkley and Wilson or Gibbs and Wilson because he took Barkley first. And then he could have gone Cup and James Cook. So Barkley. Oh, yeah. Give me that. Yep. Yeah.

It's interesting that even in the flex draft, James Cook went 36th, 37th. Well, again, that's half PPR as well, so keep that in mind. But it was a heavy run on receivers. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, I would have loved that start. And it's realistic based on where Cook goes.

It's a little late for Cook based on ADP. You know, it's weird to talk about this now because you're going to hear us talk about it so much on tomorrow's show, which we recorded yesterday, but we did talk about James Cook's ADP. All right. So those are some risers for you. Some risers were Rasheed Rice, Ty Chandler, Cooper Cup,

Fallers, obviously Jonathan, Chuba Hubbard, a riser, Jonathan Brooks, DJ Moore is a faller for Dave, probably getting kind of close to where Jamie has DJ Moore. Let's take a look there. Yeah, everyone, Jamie's got him 25th, Dave 22nd, Heath 23rd in full PPR. I have an email of the day. I'm going to save it for later. It's about tight ends, so we'll put that to later, Tom. Hopefully we can get to it.

Here's the big news that you may have missed from over the weekend. So Jonathan Brooks, he's not going to play in the preseason. Rookie running back for the Panthers, first running back selected, coming off a torn ACL. He could start the season on PUP, but they're hoping for the week three or four for Jonathan Brooks. So here's a follow-up. We already talked about where he is in the rankings.

Here's a follow-up. We already talked about where he is in the rankings. Here's a follow-up, though. How confident are you that Miles Sanders isn't going to either be the lead running back or be in a very close split with Chuba Hubbard, which would obviously be terrible? Dave. Well, I'm trying to keep tabs on everything that's going on at every training camp.

I don't think I've read anything about Miles Sanders so far. And maybe there's something I missed, and Sanders might have strung together a couple of great days. But I can't imagine that he's about to re-break out after how terrible he was last year. I think Chuba's still got the lead on that job. And I think he'll be the number three guy once Brooks is really in the swing of things. Hopefully that's by week six or so. still got the lead on that job and i think it'll be i think he'll be the number three guy once

brooks is really in the swing of things hopefully that's by week six or so and then you know brooks could take off from there job will back up brooks and miles sanders might be a dallas cowboy at some point who knows so this is from july 30th um from the charlotte observer that sanders and hubbard were both taking first team reps. So they're giving him an opportunity. But according to this is from Mike K of the Charlotte Observer, Hubbard is, quote, the leader in the clubhouse. But he also said it's legitimate competition for the role.

And then when Brooks comes back, who knows what will happen? So, I mean, it's not crazy to think that Miles Sanders is out of the mix. It's not crazy to think that you should be taking a shot on him with your last pick in a 15, 16 round type of league, you know, because who knows? Like I'll give example, you know, for me in this flex draft, my last pick was Clyde Edwards-Alaire. Is there much difference at this point between those two type of players? You know, I mean, I lean toward the CEH because the team that he plays on in his role, he feels like he's locked into the second guy, but if generic Prince is going to be in the mix for the, you know, shared situation, you know, look,

Miles Sanders may have a very prominent role or in the year, if something happens to Hubbard and Brooks, is it there? I feel like you could name 25 other players that you'd rather have them both CEH and Miles Sanders. Absolutely. I mean, I can name 200, but it's one of those things. Yeah, okay. I'll start.

Jefferson, Chase, Bijan. Miles Sanders is currently 214th in our ADP. Yeah, I get it. Right, but again, Dave, if we get news this week that something happens to Hubbard and you know that Brooks is out for three weeks.

Oh, yeah, of course. He's jumping 50 to 80 spots. All right, guys, next news item here. So Pukunukua is week to week, but the report this morning, it's not believed to be serious, his knee injury. They're calling everyone week to week on the Rams. They have three starting offensive linemen that are out right now. And Jonah Jackson, it looks like is the most long-term he's comes over from the

lions. He was a big off season acquisition to play left guard. So they're hoping he's back for week one, but the other two are there are their tackles and they're, they're both week to week with ankle injuries, the Titans. Good news on Deandre Hopkins. He's not going to need surgery, and he's expected to return in about four weeks. So we can be, I'd say, optimistic that he's ready for week one. Andy Reid, I brought this up on yesterday's show, which is airing tomorrow, so it's going to be repetitive, sorry. But Andy Reid said Isaiah Pacheco is ready to be the third down back. He didn't say that he would be the third down back.

He was asked about it, and he said Pacheco can do all those things, but he said so can Clyde Edwards-Ziller and so can other guys on the team. And if you want to hear our analysis of it, you'll hear it on the running back preview. Here's what ESPN's Ben Baby wrote about the Bengals backfield. The Bengals have a few camp battles ongoing, but the most important to watch would be between Chase Brown and Zach Moss. Brown and Moss are vying to get the bulk of Joe Mixon's vacated workload. Brown has looked explosive at times in practice, while Moss

gives the Bengals true four-down ability, something Mixon lacked in seven seasons with the Bengals. Okay. They're close in the rankings, right? I mean, you might have one but they're very close. Yep. And I'd love to get both of them. And then just know, you know, you don't have

to spend a top six pick, six round pick on either of them. And if you hammer them back to back in seven and eight, you figure you've got an RB2 between the two of them each week. Hopefully it's not a headache that you're creating for yourself. Is that really the best use of two picks? Because I wondered about that. Well, sure. I mean, yeah.

You could also go and get one Titan and one Bengal or something like that, but you want to try and... This is something that I like to do. I like to just try and just be right on it and know that if I pick one Titan and one Bengal, there's a 25% chance that I've got two duds,

right? But if I've got both Bengals with those picks, 50% chance that I'm going to be right theoretically and 50% chance that, well, I don't even know if it's, it's a hundred percent chance that all the Bengals running back again, not great with math, Adam. But I think, I think that the whole point is trying to lock up a backfield at a, at a cheaper price is not the worst idea in the world. So let me ask you this, cause you did this in our pick by pick. You started with Taylor and Gibbs, if I'm not mistaken. Right. And then I did lock up the Bengals backfield.

You're right. That's where you're going. You took Brown and Spears. You didn't take Moss. I did. Right. And that was a different, so that was a different idea. But my question is, knowing that you have two running backs that are your starters,

would you rather have the security of the Bengles or the titans whichever one you pick if you could have gotten both or would you rather have the chance to get two studs in that in that scenario because i'm fishing for breakouts i'm yeah because i i can afford to fish for breakouts with those picks because i've already got two running backs that i know i'm starting every week right but you also don't have in in your other, the flip side of it, you don't have maybe a flex. Sure I do because I drafted four receivers in a row. Forget about that.

I'm just talking about the running backs. If you were looking for just a flex option, is it safer to take the entire backfield, knowing that you don't have to worry about the headache of if both guys flop? If it were like a 14-team league, I might have taken the backfield, but I also don't think I would have had a chance to get both members of the backfield, knowing that you don't have to worry about the headache of if both guys flop. If it were like a 14 team league, I might have taken the backfield, but I also don't think I would have had a chance to get both members of the backfield then. What scares me is the Pittsburgh backfield from

last year. Right, those guys both averaged 11 points per game. They were both fine. And here's the thing, if you take Chase Brown and Tajay Spears instead of Chase Brown and Zach Moss, and then Zach Moss gets hurt. No, sorry, Chase Brown gets Tajay Spears instead of Chase Brown and Zach Moss. And then Zach Moss gets hurt.

No, sorry. The Chase Brown gets hurt. Sorry. You're gonna be pretty pissed that you didn't take Zach Moss, right? Right. Okay. And so if I had started my drive, remember how I was complaining that I wanted one of the receivers with one of the running backs and I couldn't because Puka went right in front of me.

Garrett Wilson went right in front of me. Let's say I had taken Garrett Wilson there, and then I took a tight end where I took Rasheed Rice. Okay, so now I'm playing hero RB. At that point in the draft, 7-8 turn, definitely taking two from the same team to lock up the RB2 spot. Yeah, I don't know. I just kind of feel like there's no right answer, right?

Because if someone's going to get hurt, that's going to change the fortunes in any backfield, right? You don't know who's going to get hurt. But if going to change the fortunes in any backfield. You don't know who's going to get hurt, but if we play it out like the Bengals and the Titans and the Steelers, all these guys, they all stay healthy. I'm just not sure that I want to take two guys from the same backfield. I think that really limits your upside. Also, I can't really think of a lot of scenarios

where we've had two good running backs, two must-start running backs. You had Montgomery and Gibbs last year. Right, but you weren't taking those guys at the 7-8 turn. No, of course, right? That's a lot higher end. I go back to Kamara and Ingram. But, you know, if you have two start-worthy players from the same backfield, I think a lot of times you don't have a real difference maker there.

Maybe not a difference maker. You're talking about two flex options or maybe two borderline RB2 options, and you're just most likely choosing the wrong one each week. The thing that you're hoping for is, like you said, Adam, you're hoping for one of those guys to miss time and then the other one is a superstar. But you'd rather, I think, the best way to win

is the way that Dave did it, which is to guess on the two that you like the best in the case of that draft he took brown and spears and that those are the best running backs regardless of injury but if injury occurs then you're talking again about you know two top 15 caliber players and if you're if you're trying to just fill a spot on your roster you're if it's around seven around eight you're not looking for a difference maker then you could fall into one but if you've got two guys from the same team in the case of Cincinnati I like it better than the case of Pittsburgh or Tennessee because I think that that's one where

one guy could emerge we've seen it from the Bengals before and that's a really good offense in Cincinnati fair yeah you know what here's the thing. If you take both Bengals and one of them is a total bust, that probably means the other one is great. Exactly. And then it's worth it. Then you can spend, you spend a seventh and an eighth round pick on only one player,

but that one player is a must-start guy. It's worth it. Yeah. So it's a great point. And I look forward to continuing this conversation this evening when we do rb preview part two uh chris godwin said he's finally healthy he said he wasn't back to being himself towards

acl in 2021 obviously 2022 was a struggle but even last year was a struggle physically for chris godwin so he's happy to be back on the inside and he says he's fully healthy now and chris rim of espn said this about the chargers wide receivers. Josh Palmer appears in position to be the number one target. But after that, it appears to be an open competition between Quentin Johnston, Ladd McConkie, and DJ Chark. Jamie, what are your thoughts on that? Josh Palmer, do you think it's realistic that we'll start ranking Palmer ahead of McConkie? No, but they'll be closer together with most likely Palmer staying where he is and McConkie continuing to fall, especially with the Herbert news being what it is,

dealing with plantar fascia and who knows how long that could linger or potentially become a problem during the year. So I really was excited about Palmer. You and I fought for him in a lot of drafts because I know you were very high on Palmer a lot as well. You won most of those fights. First time you ever said that. The downside for McConkie is that he was being overdrafted

at this point, you know, and so rookie only drafts don't change your approach back into the first round type of guy. Redraft, however, it's hard to justify drafting him as a potential starter in a three receiver league. So he's another follower for for me mostly because of the herbert news i hadn't seen this report from from christian okay so let's get some more risers and fallers here and let's talk about so some of these we said last week so i'll try to skip over those but jalen hurts these are dave's

risers jalen hurts went from qb2 to qb1 we talked about that last week but anthony richardson up from qb7 to QB6. Now, that's a six point for passing touchdown league. I'm assuming, would he be even higher in a four point? He would be even higher. He would jump ahead of CJ Stroud. He'd be QB5. Okay.

So, he's QB6. Would you put him ahead of Burrow? I'd put him ahead of Burrow. If they're both injury prone, you might as well take the injury prone quarterback that runs. Okay. And Jamison Williams up to wide receiver 42. I think we talked about that.

Rasheed Rice up 10 spots from wide receiver 40 to wide receiver 30. Chase Brown. We've covered a lot of this, but we haven't covered Dobbins or Dowdle. We'll get to that. Chase Brown up from running back 43 to running back 33. Boy, I really hope that those guys play in the preseason. I really hope we see something from the Bengals backfield. Okay. How about J.K. Dobbins? You moved him up seven spots from

running back 46 to running back 39. Just encouraged by what we're hearing out of L.A. and just knowing that they're going to run the ball a lot. Now, I'm not going to push him up back to where he once was in, in fantasies, good graces, but if he's going to be sharing and, uh, has a chance to do some work on 12, 13 touches a week, especially if Justin Herbert is a little slow to start the year. I don't mind firing a shot at JK Dobbins late. And how does he compare to Gus Edwards for you? I still have Gus higher. I think Gus will score more touchdowns if the two stay healthy. Pat Fry with this one.

Oh, Rico Dowdle. Yeah, we got to talk about this. So you moved him up 14 spots from running back 54 to running back 40. How come you moved Rico Dowdle for the Cowboys up? And we talked about this on the show that will be heard three weeks from Thursday or whatever the hell you've got planned out but Jamie summed it up succinctly Stephen Jones crapped all over Rico Dattle and the next thing you know Rico Dattle turns into the best running back at Cowboys practice is he going to play so well that he makes Dallas think twice about adding another

running back which is what we thought they were going to do all offseason long. They didn't do it in the draft. They didn't do it in free agency. Could they do it right before the season starts? Maybe they don't have to. Maybe Rico Dowdle is their guy. And for now, I'm willing to take the chance on drafting Rico Dowdle, probably in that round 9-10 type range.

I don't want to go any higher than that. I don't want to get too excited because what if the Cowboys do add another running back and then Rico Dowdle's sharing? It's just not what you want out of a round 9 type pick. Would you guys take Rico Dowdle or Gus Edwards? Gus. I'm riding the Gus bus.

Okay. Would you take Rico Dowottle or Blake Corum? Dottle. Suave. Okay. And Pat Fryermuth up from tight end 16 to tight end 12 for Dave. Yep. Streaming tight end to begin the year.

Looks like he could be the number two target getter in Pittsburgh. We know the track record of tight ends under arthur smith i was kind of waiting to see if someone else would step up and be a better option as the number two guy after george pickens in that offense no one really has and you know van jefferson's got buzz roman wilson had buzz and then he hurt his ankle uh calvin austin whatever i think it could end up being fryer muth and so when it comes to taking a tight end late uh say i whiff on the first 10 tight ends fryer muth is the one i'm targeting i think uh arthur smith his offenses have been top eight in tight end target rate every season that he's been the coordinator and it hasn't always been one guy there have been times where it has there's been times where it's been the coordinator? Sure, and it hasn't always been one guy. There have been times where it has.

There's been times where it's been two, three guys. But if there are multiple guys, I don't think... Is Michael Pruitt on the Steelers? Does he follow Arthur Smith to Pittsburgh? I don't think Washington, their gigantic tight end, is going to be that guy.

I think it's going to be Friar Muth. Muth. Okay. All right, so some risers. The risers for Dave Hurts up to QB one. Richardson up to QB six and six point for passing touchdown leagues going ahead of Joe Burrow. Jamison Williams up

seven spots to wide receiver 42. Rasheed Rice up 10 spots to wide receiver 30. Chase Brown up 10 spots to running back 33. J.K. Dobbins up seven spots to running back seven. Nope. Up seven spots to running back 39. He is not running back seven, J.K. Dobbins up seven spots to running back seven. Nope, up seven spots to running back 39. He is not running back seven,

J.K. Dobbins. That's my running back seven. Yeah, yeah, last year. Rico Dowdle running back 54 up to running back 40. And Pat Fryermuth up to tight end 12. Jamie's got a QB riser that I'm going to link

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You've got another quarterback, Jaden Daniels. They might be five rounds apart, if not more, in drafts. Jaden Daniels won the Heisman. A better prospect than Anthony Richardson was. I know they were both top four picks, but I feel comfortable saying that. Much better thrower. Much better numbers in college. Better rushing numbers. Now, I don't know about per game because he played more games, but just if Anthony Richardson, if they both came out this year, no one would be taking Richardson ahead of Jane Daniels. So then you could say, okay, well, Richardson did it last year. He was so good. Yeah, but on the other hand, he kept getting hurt.

So I just, what do you think of that argument, Jamie, that why take Anthony Richardson if you could just wait like five rounds to get Jaden Daniels? That's absolutely the right approach. You know, if you want to wait on quarterbacks, why we talk about, you know, don't reach for the higher end guys

and take the guys that you think are going to be the next wave of breakout candidates or potential breakout candidates. And so, you know, the three guys that I tend to target in most of my drafts, Richardson's been a top five quarterback for me for weeks. Uh, Kyler is a guy that continues to rise. He's just ahead of Daniels at number seven and Daniels was always the next target for me. So I had him ranked behind Dak and behind Love. And I just decided, you know, why am I even toying with that? Like, let me just do it because if Daniels hits, he's going to be better than Dak and better than Love and maybe a top five guy himself, because

he's got that 800 plus rushing yard potential. And if he hits that, that puts him in the top 10 almost automatically, unless he's a total flop as a passer and as you alluded to you know he's not coming into the nfl as unpolished as anthony richardson was i wonder what richardson would have done in that lsu offense himself had he had those weapons and that type of ability to play like that um so look is it is it smarter to just take the shot on daniels yes does richardson at least give you the opportunity to say he's done it for a couple of games and you saw what he's capable of? So take that upside first. That's the approach, I think, if you're looking at it from Richardson's perspective. But I have no problem if you say, okay, Richardson's too expensive. I'm just going to wait and take

Daniels. And you should hopefully get similar production if they both stay healthy. Cool. All right. So Will Levis is another riser for you. Jaden Daniels up from QB 11 to QB 9. Will Levis, not quite in that territory, but he is up from QB 22 to QB 19 for Jamie. So I don't know if you remember who you moved him ahead of. You can let us know that. But also, are you guys getting a little tired of the videos on Twitter where it's the highlights, not just on Twitter, but you got like the slow, yeah, they put it in super slow-mo and then the guy catches

it and they speed it up I just like I'm kind of an over that that style just gonna throw that out there you rather just see it in full speed I think I would yeah I'd rather just see it in full speed just just give me I don't need the dramatic slow-mo I think I've seen a highlight before I thought you were going in a different direction I thought

you were gonna say aren't you tired of seeing highlights of a guy beating somebody in a one-on-one drill or seven on seven and there's no pads yes like those mean nothing they really don't mean very much it's full pads team drills with all the joint practices that are coming up that'll mean something a guy stands out in a couple of joint practices that's cool cool. That's what I want to see. Not beating – when you're in shorts and a helmet and you beat a guy, like there was a big deal made in Dolphins camp last week because after Tyreek Hill got Jalen Ramsey once or twice,

Ramsey came back and stopped Tyreek Hill. But, I mean, it doesn't mean anything. It shouldn't be taken as like, oh, wow, someone's going to be good or someone's going to be bad. Well, Levis is making a lot of those highlight plays. So you're moving up to QB 19, Jamie. Yeah, I moved him ahead of the injured trio of Cousins, Rogers, and Watson. And so I'm just excited about him for this year.

He was somebody that I liked coming into the process because I thought the addition of Brian Callahan and the weapons that they brought in look deandre hopkins being banged up is not ideal but you know really coming tyler boyd coming uh taj uh tony pollard coming and the offensive line upgrades you know and so last year he struggled but you saw the flashes and he's going to be i think a little bit more mobile than people expect you know so he's going to get to that 400 yard rushing mark that'd be a stretch but wouldn't be shocking but 300 plus yards i think is within the realm of possibility and i just like what i'm seeing and i like what i'm hearing and so i'd rather take a

chance on you know young younger upside type of player as opposed to the older guys coming off of you know two achilles tears and a shoulder injury so wouldn't be surprised if those guys are better than levis but for me i'd I'd rather lean toward the player I think is trending in a better direction. Super easy guy to take with your last pick or second to last pick in a one QB league.

And after two weeks, you don't like what you're getting out of him. You cut him. You've got another quarterback. Anyway, he shouldn't be your only QB. And if you're in a two QB league, I think he should rise up even more

because I think he's got a really good shot at keeping the job for a while. You know, he would have to really, you know, trip over his shoelaces to have Mason Rudolph come in and replace him within the first eight weeks of the season. Jamie's got four running back risers, Chase Brown up to running back 28. Dave's got him at 33. Javante Williams up from running back 36. Javante is now running back 31. Chuba Hubbard up 10 spots to running back 39.

And Ty Chandler up to running back 42. So we talked about those last two. And I think Chase Brown we probably covered. Let's talk about Javante Williams here, Jamie. Up five spots to running back 31. Obviously having a better camp than what we thought would be the case. Yeah. Good. And listen, I w I was probably the most anti Javante on our show.

He's the most positive. It's hard to ignore, you know, and, and look, is he going to dominate touches? We'll find out, you know, there's a lot of positive buzz about to the McLaughlin, a lot of positive buzz about Audrey guesstimate. Soaj ap run still on the roster so you know at what point does javante have a bad game bad series bad stretch and he's getting replaced and what is his role going to be across the board is he still the goal line guy or his estimate coming and steal that is he still the passing downs guy forget about first and second

down just an obvious passing situations is that mclaughlin who i love the story by the way he went and bought his own judge machine and spent the offseason you know working out doing you know working on his hands so i'm still a little cautious that there's going to be a split back on a very bad team it doesn't feel like the broncos are going to be that good so i don't want to you know completely you know run him back up to where he was which was just outside the the top 24 you know prior to all that stuff coming out this off season. So in that flex range, yes, I'm back to buying Javante Williams if he's still there, but I'm not going to reach for him.

And I'm sure any drafts that I do with Heath, I'm not going to get Javante Williams. What team do you think Bo Nix will be on next year? Will he be part of the trade that the Broncos used to acquire the number one pick next season? Like with going there, because they can move up from three to one. I would guess he would have to play well enough to warrant some team wanting to acquire him.

Yeah. But poorly enough that the Broncos are looking for an upgrade. All right. Malik Nabors. Did you move Malik Nabors up again? I did. I had gone from 20-something to 19 and back to 21, then moving back again to 19.

19, wow. Look at this shirt. Look at this shirt. This shirt is awesome. Vintage shirt. Love it. Size extra small. Actually, it was a birthday gift for me,

and someone got me a large. I was like, LOL. I had to return it and get a medium, but I got this new giant shirt. It just feels great. No one cares about the shirt. I want to know who you move neighbors over jamie so the shirt uh pickens and metcalf who i like a lot wow um part of it is you know is the quarterback situation in pittsburgh

just making me a little skittish of is justin fields going to enhance george pickens to the level that i really want to see not that i I moved him down at all, just one spot. And Metcalf with the Geno Smith news. I know he's going to be fine, but still, what happens if he's not there? But he is going to be fine. So why would you— Love all three of those guys. It's just, again, we're nitpicking.

Dave brought it up when he was talking about DJ Moore. Wouldn't surprise me if Neighbors has more targets than those two guys by maybe 30. And here's the other thing we're talking about drafting somebody too close to their ceiling, neighbor ceiling. This isn't it. You could still move them up more and he's still not being drafted to,

to his ceiling. The problem is, is how many of those 160 targets or whatever that we dream about could be uncatchable. And it could be as high as like 25, 30%. That's a lot. And so I'm a little nervous about that. I can't move him over Pickens and Metcalf yet, but he is exciting.

He is a top 24 wide receiver. And he is worth taking with a top 50 pick. How many targets did you say for neighbors i think 160 is realistic 160 that would be that would blow my mind but um if you think he's going to get even like 140 then i feel like the worst case scenario would be something like jaylen waddle's rookie season where he was wide receiver 12 overall in PPR, about wide receiver 20 per game, or like a Deontay Johnson season where you're going to get a lot of catches. Hopefully not the Deontay Johnson season

from two seasons ago. Not the one with zero touchdowns. Please, no. But like one of those top 12 Deontay Johnsons because of that many targets, it's just you're going to catch, even if the targets are bad, you're going to catch enough balls.

I just need to look this up, how many targets did Jamar Chase get as a rookie? Let me see. Jamar Chase had 128 targets in 17 games. But he shared the field with a pretty good receiver, though. He did, but they threw the ball probably more. Justin Jefferson had 125 targets in 16 games. Like, I don't know. Has a rookie receiver

ever gotten 100? Look, we're playing a 17-game season now, so it's different. 140 is probably more realistic than 160. I'm just going to see. I'm going to look it up right now. What's been the track record of receivers who've gotten 140 targets, period? You're going to like what you hear.

If he gets 140 targets, I'd take him in the early third round. When did they start playing 17-game seasons? Three years ago? 21, 22, and 23. Okay. Thank you. You go ahead and look that up. We can talk about Keenan Allen up four spots

for you to wide receiver 38. Jamie. It was more some guys around him dropping, but I felt like I was just a little too low on Allen. A little too low on Allen. A little too much hate for the guy. Yeah, I agree. He could be the best receiver for the Bears.

Wouldn't be that out of the realm of possibility. I know he's 32, but he's coming off a year at 31, 11.5 targets per game, different offense, different quarterback, all those things, but over 20 PPR points per game. So I felt that was a little bit too much in the negative. Yeah, would you rather take Keenan Allen in round seven or so or Romo Dunze in round nine or ten?

Allen. And that was the other way previously. Okay. I think I might take a Dunze. Kyle Pitts, who'd you move him ahead of? You went from tight end seven to tight end six with Pitts. Yeah, I just kind of flipped those three guys around. Went with a more upside play of Pitts.

And then I dropped Ingram, so I just kind of sandwiched, flipped the sandwich around on, flipped the bread around on the Kittle sandwich. Okay, so it's what? It's Pitts, Kittle, Ingram now? Yep. And it was Ingram, Kittle, Pitts. Yep. I'm seeing Pittsgram Kittle Pitts. Yep.

I'm seeing Pitts in practice the next two days. I will come back with a full report. I got to tell you, I never liked a turkey sandwich. I have had a really good turkey sandwich yesterday, a few weeks ago. You get a good turkey sandwich with American cheese. Just great, great combo there. All right, Jamie's followers. Dave didn't give followers. I didn't ask him for any. So not your fault. I just figured, you know,

we don't need followers from everybody. You move Dak Prescott from QB nine to QB 11 as Dave is, by the way, deep in thought in this 140 target thing. Dak Prescott going from QB nine to QB 11. What is up with that? This guy has been super consistent. So it's the CD lamb concern. If he gets hurt or misses time. And I don't have that same concern for Jordan Love, who I left at QB 10. And so I just moved.

I just, again, flipped the sandwich. Daniel's moved up and Dak moved down with Jordan Love staying in the middle. This is the best restaurant ever. Delicious. Delicious episode of Fantasy Football today. Who wants to talk about targets? Me. All right.

So 140 targets over 17 games. That's an average of 8.23529 targets per game. 37 players have had 140 or more targets over the last three seasons. 27 of the 37 average at least 15 PPR points per game. Eight of them got over 20 PPR points per game. Yeah, it's pretty good. Now, there's a tight end in there, like Mark Andrews did this. Kelsey obviously has done this.

So it's not all wide receivers. So Evan Ingram last year had over 140 targets. So it's a pretty safe bet that he can get to a hundred and or two, I'm sorry, over 15 PPR points per game. But that's if he gets 140 targets over the course of the season, are you ready to buy into that? And if the answer is yes, then you're not drafting neighbors high enough yet. I'm not necessarily, let me, you know what, not drafting neighbors high enough yet. I'm not necessarily... You know what? Let's look up one thing. I'm sorry for going down this neighbor's rabbit

hole. Let's take a look at their 2022 season. The Giants were 16th in points scored, something like that. They actually were not bad. They went to the playoffs. They won a game. That year, they threw... What's that? They paid Daniel Johnson. Yeah, right. Exactly exactly they threw 520

passes so what's 140 divided by 520 that's a 27 percent target share i i could see it i honestly i think all bets are off as to what the giants can do on offense i don't think they're going to stick to the same things that they were doing before. Their whole offense has changed. And neighbors is clearly their best weapon on offense. You know what? Screw it. I'm in.

I'm in. I'm going to draft. What a shocker that you're in. Are you interested in hearing some names of receivers who have had this target volume and did not come through? Yeah.

Deontay Johnson in 2022, he went touchdownless, averaged 10.6. That's as bad as it gets. Garrett Wilson, his first two seasons in the league. Darnell Mooney in 2021 had 140 targets. He was the Bears' number one receiver then. DK Metcalf in 2022.

Pittman in 2022. And Evan Ingram last year, a tight end, had 140 targets, 13.6 PPR points. But it's a tale of two seasons for Ingram. Once Kirk got hurt, his numbers went haywire. So that's pretty much it. I guess DJ Moore makes the cut too. He was technically under 14 PPR points per game in 2021. Okay.

So what's the earliest you guys would start taking Malik Nabors? 1.02. No. Could I toy with taking him? earliest you guys would start taking Malik neighbors? Uh, one Oh two. No. Um, I, could I toy with taking him? I'm low on waddle because I'm a little worried about his target volume.

Could I take him over waddle? Uh, I might be open to something like that. Give me like a area in the draft. We're talking somewhere between wide receiver, 18 and wide receiver, 21. So that's,

so it's right. It's real close to where we have him right. He's 39th for me overall. All right. He's a little behind that for me. 3-4 turn, Malik Nabors starts to come into the discussion. Fair? Like I said, when we were talking about Alfredo's team,

if he had gone Cuff and Nabors, I love that. Okay. Justin Herbert down five spots for you from QB 17 to QB 22. Yeah. Again, the injury on top of the potential for, you know, just a poor statistical season wouldn't be surprising if the chargers as a

team are better just because the coaching is better. But if he's not going to run because he can't with the injured foot, like asking him to win you fantasy weeks with his arm at this point, not that he can't do it, clearly he can, but in this offense, it just doesn't feel like that's going to be the case. Again, Levis moved up, Herbert moved down, and Herbert went behind the injured trio. He's now part of the injured quartet of Rodgers, Cousins, and Watson.

Do you think there's anything that you need to say? Because a lot of these other guys are related to injuries, but Jonathan Brooks down Blake Corum down four spots, Ladd McConkie down to wide receiver, 40 Deandre Hopkins, wide receiver, 45 and David to joke who gets jumped by Pat Fryer. I'm guessing goes to tight end 13.

No, I had him in. This was back to our conversation last week. I had him behind hours. And I think I said that like, I can't justify that cause I like the upside of hours, but okay. Yeah. I think the other ones, back to our conversation last week i had him behind bowers and i think i said that like i can't justify that because i like the upside of bowers but okay yeah i think the other ones except for quorum down to down four spots for quorum i mean everything you hear is just it's

going to be the chiron show again you know that quorum is going to need an injury for it to you know him to have a significant role he's going to have a role but just a significant role so um i think the the concern on draft day and maybe the upside for quorum, it's still there, but I don't think it's happening unless Kyron Williams this time. And last year he did miss four games. So we'll see what happens. Adam, the type of dude to drink hot chocolate instead of coffee. Yeah. A hundred percent. I will never, I've never had coffee.

I had one time was horrible. I'll never have it again. I love hot chocolate any day. All right, some quick news items to end the show here. Jaden Daniels is going to play this week in preseason week one, and Daniel LaRusso is going to fight. Rashid Shahid has hamstring tightness. That's a Jamie joke. He does say that a lot.

Carolina wide receiver Xavier Leggett left Sunday's practice with a foot injury. He appears to have – Legit. What's that? Legit. Nuh-uh. Nuhgett. What's that? Leggett. Nuh-uh. Nuh-uh. That's how he says it. Really? Yeah. Oh, he went all 8-chan on us?

Leggett. Leggett. Okay. Well, he appears to have avoided serious injury. The Dolphins restructured Tyreek Hill's contract, and he has a lot more money now. Arizona, big loss for the Cardinals. Linebacker B.J. Ogillary tore his ACL. He was a pretty important pass rus loss for the Cardinals. Linebacker B.J. Ojalary tore his ACL. He was a pretty important pass rusher

for the Cardinals. Their pass rush was already terrible. Yeah. And now this. Geno Smith says he's going to run more this season, which would be a big development. He ran much less last year than he did in his breakout 2022 season. Mike Sanford, who covers the Broncos, said, quote, Bo Nix is your starting

quarterback when he gave his observations after 10 training camp practices. Shocker. Yeah, I don't know if that's set in stone, but let's call him the favorite. Well, he's not making the call. It's probably going to be Sean Payton who makes the call. I was hoping for Zach Wilson. Sanford, I think.

Actually, I think they're going to let the reporters decide, Dave, in an odd development. That's cool. I know some of those guys. Tyler Algier has been involved with the first team. Whatever, right? I'll let you know. Okay.

Is David Montgomery going to have too big of a role for Jameer Gibbs? We can save it for tonight if you'd like. RB preview part two. Pewter Report says, running back Bucky Irving continues to look like the real deal as a runner and receiver. Bucky Irving continues to look like the real deal as a runner and receiver.

Bucky Irving is going to have a bigger role than most think this year as our. So Pete was there. Prisco was there. And he said, uh, from what he heard, if he can pass protect,

he's going to play a lot. Okay. Yeah. I look forward to talking about Rashad white for whatever reason. I feel like we never talk about Rashad white. So let's get back into that. Trey Sermon appears to be the backup to Jonathan Taylor. Vegas rookie running back Dylan Lauby is getting work on the third team,

or third down, on third down, pardon me. And Green Bay, they had family night on Saturday, which must have been nice. And the snap counts for the wide receivers, Romeo Dobbs with 21, Christian Watson with 19, Jaden Reed 16, and no other receiver played more than six snaps. I think they had 26 snaps, is that right? I'm not sure.

How come we never have family night on our show? I had family night yesterday with my actual family. And then I ended with you. You didn't invite me. That was heartbreaking. Yeah, here's a question. I was, it was, and then I ended up with you. You know? You didn't invite me. That was heartbreaking. Yeah, here's a question. I'll put it on your house.

Yeah, Jamie, you're in town. Not really. you're in his neck of the woods. You didn't get in. We're in a different state, so it's not exactly.

New Jersey, New York, it's the same thing. You're one train ride away. Adam, did you invite Jamie to come to your new mansion? First of all,

so many things wrong with that statement. I don't have a question. I don't have a mansion. Give me a break. And it wasn't at my house, so I couldn't invite you. Excuses. Yeah, so Adam and I were texting with Thomas, and he said something. I'm at a family barbecue. I said, oh, what's the

address? I'll be right there. Yeah, you could have gone there. Since I couldn't make it. He didn't give me the address. I would have a family barbecue. I said, oh, what's the address? I'll be right there. Yeah, you could have gone there. Since I can make it. He didn't give me the address. I would have been happy to. Okay, the last thing CBS Sports wrote an article, nine rookie standouts. Their top nine rookie standouts in training camp so far. Guess who number one was? Caleb Williams.

No, we haven't. We've only talked about him for about 15 minutes on this episode. Chase Brown isn't a rookie. Malik Neighbors is number one. Marvin Harrison, number two. How about Jalen Polk, number three? Is he moving up in the rankings? He's going to play a lot and catch a lot.

It's just not the best offense. We say that about neighbors. He's doing a lot right now with Douglas Hurt, so I wonder how much that factors into. I like drafting Polk, but I'm not ready to move him up like I am some of these other guys. When you start to get into the wide receiver 50 range, Polk should come into play for sure.

Austin Booker, Bears defensive end. He's number four on the list. Yep. That was an interesting pick by them because he was hurt, I think. They weren't sure if he was going to make an impact so soon, but it looks like he is. Austin Booker for the Bears.

Miami edge rusher, Chop Robinson, number five. He was the best pass rusher in the one day that I've already been to Dolphins camp. They've got a couple of guys on the shelf, though, so they really need him.

Yeah. They need him. I did read that he's not so good against the run as of now. Chop Robinson. They just need somebody to get after the quarterback. Philadelphia running back, they need him. I did read that he's not so good against the run as of now. Chop Robinson. They just need somebody to get after the quarterback. Philadelphia running back

Will Shipley. I mean, is he the handcuffed to Saquon Barkley? He might be, you know, I'd be surprised if Gainwell got completely pushed aside, but he's going to have a role

potentially. And what would you do, Dave, if someone spelled my last name Azer you nothing i would do nothing you add an eye because adonai mitchell jesus i think i made that joke a few months ago did you mitchell for the colts uh he is having a good camp as well and a couple of offensive linemen talese fuaga first round pick for the Saints, offensive tackle.

They've had a bad offensive line recently. They need help there. So Talese Fuaga, hopefully he can help them for the Saints. And Jordan Morgan, offensive guard for the Packers, who I think played tackle in college. He showed up as number nine

on the nine rookie standouts for CBS Sports. That's it for today's show. We have CBS Sports Network at 1 o'clock if you want to check that out. And otherwise, we'll talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football Today. We'll see you then.