Fantasy Football Today - Kupp vs. Chase vs. Jefferson; Dynasty TEs; Mailbag (05/19 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 19, 2022

Cooper Kupp, Ja'Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson could all be first round picks this season. Who has the most upside? Who has the highest floor? Most downside? We tell you how we see this WR debate (4:...00) and how we have it ranked ... News and notes (19:40) on Chris Godwin, the Bears run game, Irv Smith and more ... Checking out Heath's updated dynasty tight end rankings (26:50)! How close are Mark Andrews and Kyle Pitts? How much upside does Cole Kmet have? What about the rookies? ... Your Apple Podcast questions (34:30) and emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:22 He's just going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Welcome to a rankings debate. Cup versus Jefferson versus Chase. I know Cup's going to be number one for most people, but let's talk it out. Let's also talk about the dynasty tight ends. And are George Kittle and Darren Waller getting a little bit old? Should we be concerned about that?
Starting point is 00:01:47 And of course, your emails, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. That's the letter I, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Apple Podcast Questions, YouTube Questions. It is Thursday. We are ready to talk some fantasy football. I'm Adam Azer with Jamie Eisenberg and Heath Cummings. Heath, give us your quick report of going to your first Celtics game. I know it was a disappointing outcome. It was a very strange third quarter. But how was it? How was your first Celtics game. I know it was a disappointing outcome. It was a very strange third quarter,
Starting point is 00:02:05 but how was it? How was your first Celtics game ever on Tuesday? It was a lot of fun. The Heat fans were almost universally really kind, and we had good fun razzing each other. There was a chant on the way out that was a little obscene, but it was fine. The worst fan there was another Celtics fan that was sitting right next to us. Hopefully he didn't know who I am because that would be mean now. But no, it was very good.
Starting point is 00:02:32 The thing I was shocked by, because I thought I got a pretty good deal on tickets. There's a local ticket service that I use and Dave uses, and they sent me an email the day before or two days before you can get in the door for 120 bucks for a Eastern conference, final playoff game. I thought that was awesome. And like after the Celtics won, the tickets went up to almost 200 right before the game, you could walk up to the gate and cause you can buy all tickets like at the stadium. Cause all the ticket master resale stuff. You could buy tickets for $80
Starting point is 00:03:06 to get into an NBA playoff game right before the game. I was surprised by that. Yeah, man. I was looking at ticket prices. Just go on SeatGeek. They used to sponsor us. This isn't a sponsorship anymore. But it's very cheap.
Starting point is 00:03:22 Oh, $157 tonight. $237 for Game 3 in Boston. Anyway, he's going to be a South Florida sports fan. Much cheaper seats than a Boston sports fan. Are you going to the Panthers? Are you going to fly down? I would love to go to that super spreader, but no, I will not be able to.
Starting point is 00:03:39 Anyway, yeah, big Panthers game tonight. Big Heat game tonight. Big night for South Florida. They're playing tonight, right? The Heat game 2? Yeah. So tonight. Big night for South Florida. They're playing tonight, right? The Heat game two? Yeah. Okay. So let's talk about our wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:03:49 But before we do that, we got a great email from Cooper. Cooper every once in a while. Cooper James or Cooper Dog as I used to call him. Amari Cooper, Cooper Cub. His first name is Cooper. He's a loyal listener. And Cooper wrote an amazing email about Rashad Penny. This guy, there should be a song about Cooper stats
Starting point is 00:04:08 because Cooper comes up with the best statistic. He says, we're too low on Rashad Penny. And every time, he pointed out that Rashad Penny has had seven games in his career with 12 or more carries. And in six of those seven games, he's rushed for 108 or more yards. In those seven games, he's averaged 7.7 yards per carry, and he's been on pace for 2,300 rushing yards and 22 touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:04:32 Based on seven games, every time he's had 12 or more carries, he has come through with a really big game. So we are going to talk about Rashad Penny later, but a little hat tip to Cooper for having the best stat of the show, and that's in our mailbag. He's played seven games in his career. With 12 or more carries. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:53 Basically, but 12 or more carries. And he's come through every time. He's the Will Fuller of running backs. Maybe. I wouldn't disrespect Will Fuller like that. Open your eyes. You read the like that. Open your eyes. You read the Cooper email. Open your eyes to the greatness of Rashad Penny.
Starting point is 00:05:09 He's great. He's great. All right, Cooper, Cup, Jamar, Chase, Justin Jefferson will probably be the first three wide receivers selected in your leagues. And Cup will likely be first. Yeah, not in our league. Last time we did a draft, it was Devontae Adams second, but that was weird.
Starting point is 00:05:26 Okay, how do you rank them? Let's start with that. We're going to have a little discussion here, not necessarily a debate, but a little discussion. How do you rank them, Heath? I've got a Cup and then Jefferson. I actually do have Adams just ahead of Jamar Chase. Oh, boom.
Starting point is 00:05:42 There's been some steam lately behind Justin Jefferson as the number one wide receiver, and I would really like to get behind that. I have those two very close. And then a little gap before anybody else. Okay. Jamie, how do you rank it? I have a Cup, Jefferson, Chase, but I also will have to think about Cup versus Jefferson
Starting point is 00:06:03 if Beckham is back and ready to go come week one in Los Angeles. Okay. Seems unlikely. Right? Back and ready to go. Week one? It does seem unlikely. Okay. Who has the most upside?
Starting point is 00:06:20 Cup, Chase, or Jefferson? It's hard not to say Cup, but Jefferson feels like he has this big season coming. Oh, definitely I feel like Jefferson and Chase are the answers that I want to make of having the most upside. I mean, Cup's a 29-year-old wide receiver. He's not near as exciting as either one of those, but he just scored 25 fantasy points
Starting point is 00:06:46 a game. I don't know how anybody could have more upside than that. The hope would be is that Kevin O'Connell tries to replicate Cooper Cup and Justin Jefferson. He's always open. And if that's the case, Justin Jefferson could be just a
Starting point is 00:07:02 ridiculous monster. Who's got the most downside? Chase. Yeah, I guess you'd have to say Chase. Would you? What would you say? Cup? Yeah, just because.
Starting point is 00:07:18 I assume we're talking non-injury downside. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I guess I'd say Cup just because, you know, look at the rest of his career. It's great. Oh, I am so glad you said, you know, look at the rest of his career. It's great. Oh, I am so glad you said that. It's really good.
Starting point is 00:07:28 It's really good. But if he goes back to the rest of his career, you know, he might be like wide receiver eight. Well, is Jared Goff coming with him? But don't sell Jared Goff short because, you know, they actually had a very good passing offense in three of the last four years. Looking forward to your teams with Jared Goff
Starting point is 00:07:43 and Rashad Penny this season. No, he's obviously not Stafford. I think we need to be careful when talking about the rest of Cooper Cupp's career because he had some injuries. He had the weird touchdown season, but 2018, he played six full games
Starting point is 00:07:57 and averaged 20.6 PPR fantasy points per game. 2019, he played 15 full games and averaged 17 PPR fantasy points per game. 2019, he played 15 full games and averaged 17 PPR fantasy points per game. He did have the 2020 season where he only scored three touchdowns and only scored 13.8. But basically, three of the last four years,
Starting point is 00:08:17 he's been a top five wide receiver on a per game basis if you want to count the games he plays when he's healthy. I don't know about top five. I think two of the last three years he has. I think four years ago, I have him at PPR per game, he was 15th in half PPR.
Starting point is 00:08:34 18? Yeah. Okay, well, I think you're counting the game where he played less. Yes. He had a game where he played 38% of the snaps. Wow, you didn't answer that because it worked in your favor. No, no, I guess I could do the math on that. But I doubt he was top five because he was 15th.
Starting point is 00:08:48 When the argument is in my favor, I'm not Azers that it. I'm not anti-Cooper Cup at all. I just think that if he goes back to what he was, you're right, Heath. I mean, very good. But I think it's lower than Chase Jefferson. But how is he going back to what he was when his quarterback is better? Just because the target, just target share. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:09:08 I mean, is he going to have a 31% target share again? What if it's 24%? Well, I mean, you know, we're excited to whatever degree about Allen Robinson resurrecting himself in Los Angeles. And maybe the expectation of Odell Beckham by the middle of the season being what he was at least in that campaign last year. But I mean, I would be shocked if his target share gets significantly less knowing what this receiving court looks like right now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:37 Okay. The other argument would be for most downside would be Jefferson because look at his splits with and without Adam Thielen last year. The last six games of the year, Adam Thielen barely played. He missed four games. And in the other two games, he played something like 29 combined snaps. So are the games where he played 29% of the snaps, are those with Adam Thielen or without Adam Thielen? No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:10:03 Adam Thielen played 29 combined snaps in the last six games of the season. Okay. In those six games, Jefferson averaged 11.5 targets per game. He averaged 8.9 targets per game before that. So it really was... I don't know if you remember,
Starting point is 00:10:22 but Jefferson got off to a somewhat slow start. And then in the last eight, nine games, really, I don't know if you remember, but Jefferson got off to a somewhat slow start. And then in the last eight, nine games, really, it started a little bit before Thielen's injury. He just went crazy as they were starting the ball. Well, I mean, there was some, you know, grumblings about not getting him the ball enough. And that changed. I think the fact that, you
Starting point is 00:10:40 know, you have this budding superstar, if he's not a superstar already. By the way, my 10-year-old will not stop doing the gritty everywhere he goes. And his 7-year-old brother's screaming at him, stop being Justin Jefferson. I think you just have to hope that this is the third year, quote, quote unquote, breakout, which he's not going to do statistically, but just he gets better as a player and as a receiver. And, you know, I do a lot of research on that year, and it's usually a lot of factors.
Starting point is 00:11:16 And in his case, it's more of an offensive mindset for this team. And I think if that happens, you know, Kevin O'Connell bringing out the best of these guys, Justin Jefferson could easily be the number one receiver and he may be
Starting point is 00:11:29 a record breaker this season. Well, yeah, he just had 1,600 yards and 10 touchdowns. You think he does better than that? Probably the touchdowns would be what would boost him.
Starting point is 00:11:40 10's good. It's not amazing. But that's the thing. Like, Thielen takes those touchdowns, right? Thielen's kind of a touchdown thief. Irv Smith is back. He's not amazing. But that's the thing. Phelan takes those touchdowns. Phelan's kind of a touchdown thief. Irv Smith is back. He's hopefully an upgrade at the tight end position.
Starting point is 00:11:53 KJ Osborne gets a bigger role. They love him there. You have the reports, which anybody wants to buy into that, go ahead, but the reports of Dalvin Cook lining up a wide receiver, his involvement in the passing game, there's a lot of things that can detract from you know justin jefferson's upside for sure but i don't know i mean it just it's
Starting point is 00:12:12 hard to it's hard not to look at what the upside is also i mean i i think clearly we're nitpicking you know he has marches fourth you know as the low guy um you know and any downside that we're going to say is going to be you know trying to find flaws as opposed to obvious ones right yeah exactly we love all these guys uh who's got the highest floor safest cup cup okay what do you make of the fact that cup just had this season that was kind of out of nowhere. But I guess it was really just targets, right? I mean, if you look at his numbers,
Starting point is 00:12:51 his catch rate, his yards per target, his yards per target was up, his yards per catch. The big difference is just the targets, right, Heath? I mean, I don't really know. It's not like he had a season where he never performed quite like this on a per-target basis, but he just got so many. I think if we can sometimes look at he was so good
Starting point is 00:13:11 that, well, he can't be that good again. Well, he could lose 10% and still be better than everywhere else. So it was a couple of things. One, he had a season where he stayed healthy all year long. Two, he had a season where he got more targets than he ever had, and he was slightly more efficient at the same time. But I think the 16 touchdowns on 191 targets, far less of an outlier for Cooper Cupp's career
Starting point is 00:13:34 than the three on 124 targets the year before. His 10.2 yards per target was not a career high. He averaged 10.3 in 2018. But it was a yard better than his career average. His yards per catch, not as good as his rookie year or his second year, slightly better than his career average.
Starting point is 00:13:53 I think it was mostly just the huge volume and a little bit of an efficiency spike. Man, his postseason was ridiculous. His postseason numbers were even better than his regular season numbers. He was on pace for 2,031 yards and 26 touchdowns based on his four playoff games. Amazing.
Starting point is 00:14:14 I think the more interesting thing is how close... It's easy. We can all see how Justin Jefferson could be a Cooper Cup or almost Cooper Cup. I don't know about Chase. Why? He was a much different player than these two last year. I think he was pretty similar to Jefferson, no? I mean, they're both like kind of higher ADOT,
Starting point is 00:14:35 you know, big yards per catch, not necessarily as many catches. That's the thing. I mean, are either Jefferson or Chase going to catch enough passes to be wide receiver one in full PPR? I think it's a little bit like Tyreek Hill, where he was better in non
Starting point is 00:14:50 and half and had trouble in full PPR. Jefferson got 108 passes last year. Yeah, in 17 games. That's not typically going to be enough to be wide receiver one based on Michael Thomas
Starting point is 00:15:05 Cooper Cup Devante Adams. You know you look at the last three number one wide receivers. They were a lot better than that, especially Thomas and Cup but if Jefferson stays healthy 120 catches is certainly realistic. Yeah, go ahead Eve. He was exactly the same.
Starting point is 00:15:22 No, he was he was more but I he was 27 more catches than Jamar Chase? Yeah, but Chase had basically the same amount of catches as Jefferson did in Jefferson's rookie season. You could see Chase taking a big step with catches. If T. Higgins is not a top 15 wide receiver, yeah. Okay, well, but then at the same time, I mean mean adam thielen was a top 15 wide receiver i think jiggins is a bigger threat to chase than thielen is to jefferson well there's also i mean
Starting point is 00:15:52 you know look as much as kj osborne could take a step forward tyler boyd is still a pretty legitimate number three receiver and arguably might be the best number three receiver in the league um you know the the there's a change in tight end, you know, so there could be a shift in how maybe some of those touchdowns, those CJ Uzama fluky games, you know, where he had multiple touchdowns, you know, maybe one or two of those goes to Jamar Chase. It's also just the natural progression of going from year one to year two. You know, Zach Taylor talked about this and, you know,
Starting point is 00:16:22 I don't think we make enough of uh unless the emphasis on it but you know at least bringing it up that these guys in their rookie seasons what they have to deal with you know from end of college until they actually get to training camp you know versus year one to year two you know when they go through a whole off season of of actual work and if the guys who are the legitimate you know workhors, which I think Jamar Chase probably qualifies. He's probably been throwing with Joe Burrow in some capacity. He's probably been, you know, doing the right type of workout program and, you know, not necessarily worrying about his, his pro day or, you know, I don't know, I don't remember if he ran at the combine, but, you know,
Starting point is 00:16:58 those type of training processes that go through, that these guys go through, finding a home, you know, move to a new city, you know. All those things are not a problem for him anymore. So this is a big, big year for him. And I think we saw it as the season unfolded. You mentioned, Adam, a lot about how Joe Burrow, when they decided to take the reins off of him, we saw a different Jamar Chase too in that stretch where he wasn't just a deep threat making big plays.
Starting point is 00:17:21 His catches went up. His routes changed a little bit. And that's going to hopefully develop know, hopefully develop as well. So there's a lot to like about where Jamar Chase is headed, and he could easily be the best of this trio for sure. Yeah. I think what I was trying to say, Adam, like coming at it from a projection standpoint,
Starting point is 00:17:37 Jefferson has been about as efficient as you would ever project any wide receiver no matter how good they are to be. 6% touchdown rate, 10 yards per target. That's like Tyreek Hill territory. And maybe he'll be slightly better than that. But Chase was so much more efficient last year than even that. He had three more touchdowns on almost 30 fewer catches and averaged three yards per catch better.
Starting point is 00:18:02 I think it's much more likely that Justin Jefferson matches what he did efficiency-wise than Chase did last year. He also took a year off of football. You know, so we don't know where the ceiling is for this kid. Yeah. Now that he's...
Starting point is 00:18:15 And he only had 128 targets, so you've got to figure he's going to get more than that. I will say efficiency-wise, I'm relatively confident his rest of career ceiling is lower than what he did last year. He had six touchdowns of 42 or more yards, Jamar Chase.
Starting point is 00:18:29 That's amazing. That's awesome. Yeah, it's amazing. I don't know if you can count on that. He's going to need more targets. But he's obviously a big playmaker. Do you think that Jamar Chase is basically the next Tyreek Hill? Big plays, not a ton of catches, but a ton of yards and touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:18:50 I would think he ends up catching more passes than Tyreek Hill. Yeah, I think he's better than Tyreek Hill. Okay. All right. Any final thoughts? All first-rounders? I think it's a tougher question when you look at these guys. I don't know where you have Cup ranked, Keith, comparatively.
Starting point is 00:19:06 Obviously, the two younger guys are ahead, but we're doing a startup draft today. A lot of people still look at Cup in a startup dynasty league as a top three receiver. I don't know if he still qualifies based on being 29. I've got him fourth, but just because there are so many guys who are in the top 10 who who've kind of not had a great off season or fall on a little bit or, or other things.
Starting point is 00:19:30 But like I've had chase ahead of Jefferson and dynasty for most of the past six months. And this most recent update is when I factor in this year's projections a little bit more. And now Jefferson's ahead just because he's projected for so many more points than Chase. All right. Thank you, guys. We've got four episodes next week on Monday.
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Starting point is 00:20:27 know what they're missing and why you like it. Now it's time for our news and notes. Tampa Bay head coach Todd Bowles would not put a timetable on Chris Godwin, and he said Godwin is not where he needs to be. He said he's getting better. All right, so if you're drafting right now, where are you drafting Chris Godwin, Jamie?
Starting point is 00:20:44 Round four. Heath? Yeah, three, four turn. I mean, we're a long ways from him having to be where he needs to be. Right. The Bears are transitioning to a run-heavy team with the outside zone scheme. That's according to Adam Johns of The Athletic. David Montgomery, in his last seven games,
Starting point is 00:21:05 he had 17 or more carries in six of them. He had 20 to 22 carries in each of his last three games. You think you can get even more than that, Heath? Your reaction to this report from Adam Johns of The Athletic? I believe they're going to be a run-heavy team. I was on a podcast last night, and during the show, we discovered... We were talking about whether Luke Getzey had
Starting point is 00:21:27 ever called offensive plays before. And he was the offensive coordinator at Mississippi State in 2018. And then a couple of times at smaller colleges. That year at Mississippi State, the quarterback led the team by a long margin in rush attempts, ran for 1,100 yards and 13 touchdowns. So they could be a run heavy team, and Khalil Herbert and Justin Fields just get a lot more rush attempts than they did in the past. I think Montgomery is probably a similar rush volume bluster.
Starting point is 00:21:54 Jamie, let's take a look at some reports coming out of Vikings camp. Herb Smith was running at almost full speed, according to Sam Ekstrom, and Chad Graff of The Athletic noted that Dalvin Cook's been lined up out wide a decent amount in bunch formation with wide receivers,
Starting point is 00:22:09 I guess, in the OTAs. So, reaction to the Vikings news? Encouraging for Irv Smith. I think he's going to be one of those tight ends that if you're inclined to take two, he should be on your list. And by the time we get to, hopefully, week two or week three, he's a waiver wire priority because he's got, you know, tremendous upside as as the guy that I thought was a breakout candidate last year before his knee injury.
Starting point is 00:22:31 I wouldn't read too much in the Dalvin Cook news. I'm sure they're just experimenting with different stuff. I'd be very surprised if he spends a lot of time lining up the wide receiver. The NFL has interviewed Deshaun Watson, and we could get a suspension announcement one way or the other fairly soon, so be on the lookout for a bonus podcast. The Colts signed Philip Lindsay. Who's the handcuff to Jonathan Taylor? I mean, Lindsay probably,
Starting point is 00:22:56 just based on how they, I wouldn't anticipate using him and Naheem Hines, but it would certainly be more of a committee. But he's now the new Marlon Mack, so. There's been a lot of talk, speaking of Naheem Hines, about how they want be more of a committee. But he's now the new Marlon Mack. There's been a lot of talk, speaking of Naeem Hines, about how they want to use him more this year. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I spoke to their running backs coach and their office coordinator,
Starting point is 00:23:14 and they have not shied away from that. And the Eagles signed James Bradbury to a one-year deal. Cornerback James Bradbury, former Giant, Panther before that, and the deal could be worth up to $10 million. Are the Eagles the best team in the division? That's what I said last year, eventually. They look like it on paper.
Starting point is 00:23:34 It's not going to be Dallas because no team ever repeats its champion in the NFC East. There's really no other option. It's the Eagles. Yeah, they do look good. And this is a really nice addition to their secondary. Let's talk about Dynasty tight ends.
Starting point is 00:23:50 A couple other things you missed. Terrible news about Tariq Cohen. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Suffering the Achilles tear or ruptured Achilles working out after coming back or trying to come back from the ACL tear. So just terrible news. Hopefully he's able to continue his career, but, but clearly, you know, feel bad for a guy that has gone through a lot.
Starting point is 00:24:10 And then Mike McDaniel indicated for the dolphins backfield that they are not going to rush Raheem Mostert back. So the signing of Sony Michelle, I think right now I haven't adjusted my rank. He's I don't know what you're going to do Heath, but I think if I'm drafting the dolphins running backs right now, it's Edmonds one, Michelle two, and Mostert three, whereas Mostert's kind of been the number two de facto guy.
Starting point is 00:24:30 If he's still not ready and they're going to take their time, I think Michelle and Mostert, even though Mostert's got an edge knowing the system and the coach, Sonny Mischel showed he could still play last year and probably has the opportunity to get an early edge on Mostert and OTAAs and all their offseason work.
Starting point is 00:24:48 OK, we're going to talk about dynasty tight ends in just a little bit. We'll take a quick break when we come back. What has changed since the NFL draft? Where are the rookies? We covered a little bit of this, but we'll get into it a little bit deeper here right after this break on fantasy football today. What does possible sound like for your business? It's having the spend to powers your scale with no preset spending limit, more cash on hand to grow your business with up to 55 interest-free days and the ability to reach further with access to
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Starting point is 00:25:45 a one quarterback startup mock draft today. We did a super flex one last week. Hope you have different people drafting this week. Heath was a lot of different people drafting this week, a little clunky last week. I don't know what that was all about. It was one of our least efficient drafts. I think, um, generally speaking, I don't know if Jamie feels this is true or or not the clunkiness almost always comes from cbs sports employees absolutely they were very rarely does the clunkiness come from any of our guests the guest drafters after like the first round or two because especially like this time of year now our our stuff is all loaded into our draft room so it's much easier but whenever we have guests that are coming into our draft room before this you know our projections and whatnot are loaded in there
Starting point is 00:26:29 our rankings are loaded in there to find players is a challenge so um until they figure it out then then they are usually fine but yes it's definitely our our co-workers are the are the the uh the common problem uh and in, like Dan wasn't here last week, so we didn't have him in the chat making fun of Adam or, uh, or picking quickly. I have a really good for when we draft, Dave likes to update his rankings as he's making his decisions.
Starting point is 00:26:59 And it was a very, very painful process. Well, just like, I'll tell on Dave, Dave just missed the first two rounds of the draft last week. So he was the majority of the clunkiness. But, you know, I think that as the commissioner,
Starting point is 00:27:15 you really don't have to wait. You just pick for them. Okay, because you were a little bit too lenient with the people who weren't making their picks. You should have just picked for them. Okay. Thank you for considering. That's just for cbs employees right i think so yeah okay yeah okay so you're saying if i don't show up he'll do the whole thing yeah all right speaking of dynasty here we go dynasty tight ends heath and first question here i since the NFL draft, how much closer did Mark Andrews get to Kyle Pitts
Starting point is 00:27:46 with the Marquise Brown trade? I think the best way to describe it is he was closer to three. Like I thought, and then Pitts is still number one for sure. But Andrews was closer to three at the position for me. And now he's closer to Pitts than he is to three. And I think if you're competing to win a championship, there's an argument to be made that you could prefer Mark Andrews over Kyle Pitts right now.
Starting point is 00:28:13 But it's a pretty significant difference between Pitts and Andrews than anybody else because you've got kind of a couple of different groups. You've got the Kelsey, Kittle, Waller, which maybe they don't all deserve in the same group but the guys who are league winners right now and you've got the hawkinson schultz goddard group who could be very good mid-range number one tight ends but aren't really even all that young anymore except for hawkinson and then you got a whole bunch of youth so how long can you expect them to be good you've got waller and kiddle approaching 30 you know fairly soon i think one's gonna be 28 one's gonna be 29 this year i think one's gonna be 29 one's
Starting point is 00:28:54 gonna be 30 oh one's me okay i'm sorry uh you got andrews who is younger but what is he gonna be 26 this year i just had this up yeah andrews is not someone who's getting any sort of discount for age. Andrew's going to be 27 in September. Uh, so what, what age are you targeting here saying, okay, let's be buyer beware a little bit.
Starting point is 00:29:17 Um, really Kelsey's the only one. Cause if Kelsey wasn't 32, he would be number one by a mile. And he's number three now. But I'm not discounting Hawkinson or Kittle or Waller yet because I don't want to put those guys behind Dalton Schultz and Dallas Goddard and Cole Commit and Pat Friermuth.
Starting point is 00:29:40 I guess are you just getting concerned about them? I would not want to have them on my roster if I don't think I'm one of the four best teams in the league this year. Okay, good way to put it. Jamie, what do you think about the rookies, specifically McBride? I think there's obviously a lot to like
Starting point is 00:30:01 about where these guys could be, but it may not be until certainly next year where you feel comfortable about starting them, barring an injury, but you could see them becoming significant contributors right away. McBride and Dolchitz would be my two favorites. Jeremy Rucker from the Jets is very intriguing, but how soon does he get an opportunity?
Starting point is 00:30:28 And will Zach Wilson still be the quarterback there when he does get an opportunity, especially if you ask Brady Quinn? I think just looking at McBride in particular, the absence of DeAndre Hopkins, I hope will lead to a lot more two tight end sets for the Cardinals and him being the second tenant. And what I mean by that is they like Max Williams a lot as a blocker. And so,
Starting point is 00:30:52 you know, how much will they rely on maybe Ertz? Because we, you know, this happened to Ertz, remember, Dallas Goddard, it was a slow burn, but it took, you know, the eventual thought was that he was going to take over for Ertz. And we certainly saw Ertz go from that record-breaking season, I think it was 2018, to start to fade a little bit. And then he showed you he could still play last year at a high level. So I hope that McBride joining the fold does not push Ertz more into a blocking role because he is a very good blocker, whereas Max Williams is more of just strictly a blocker. So we'll see what they do, how creative they get
Starting point is 00:31:27 with getting McBride in the field early. But I do think by next year, you could see a McBride, a Dulcich, a Rucker, those type of guys. And there's probably a few others that I'm missing out. But the guys that we're talking about is the next potential breakouts. Well, I think you just look like at the back end of the top 12 tight ends and even the front end for some of these guys.
Starting point is 00:31:49 But I think you should just expect with Trey McBride that you might not get anything out of him until year three in terms of starting fantasy production. And somebody had asked in the Dynasty mailbag this week, should we even be drafting rookie tight ends? Because it seems like it takes three years and they're on somebody else's team before they're any good um i still want to draft the elite tight ends but i like it might be a cole commit situation for trey mcbride where it's it's
Starting point is 00:32:15 three years before we're really talking about somebody we really want to use in fantasy okay finally guys you know there's this big group of tight ends that Heath was just mentioning, front end of the top 12. You look at number nine, Komet, all the way down to, say, number 15, Alberto. And almost everyone there is 23, 24. Brevin Jordan's 22 right now. Mike Kosicki's the oldest one. He's 26. But these are guys who are entering their prime. Komet, Fryermuth, Fant, Erb, Smith, Kosicki, Brevin Jordan, Alberto. David Njoku's a little bit older. He's 26, but he's at 16 are entering their prime. Kemet, Friar Muth, Fant, Herb Smith, Gasicki, Brevin Jordan, Alberto.
Starting point is 00:32:46 David Njoku's a little bit older. He's 26, but he's at 16th in his rankings. If you look at that group, the one that you think would be the best by-low candidate, maybe someone that has the most potential to jump into the top five next year, who would it be? I want to say commit,
Starting point is 00:33:07 but there's ever since the bears didn't make wide receiver, a big priority. Everyone's just kind of assuming he's number two on the team and targets and going to have the breakout. I think it might be fant just because of the possibility that going into next year, DK Metcalf and Noah Fant could be the top two pass catchers on this offense. And they might have a new rookie quarterback who really inspires some confidence. DK Metcalf and Noah Fant could be the top two pass catchers on this offense, and they might have a new rookie quarterback who really inspires some confidence.
Starting point is 00:33:29 So if Fant could have just a borderline number one type season, like he's done for most of his career, and then Lockett leaves and they draft a quarterback, Fant could really have some value going into next year and still just be 25 years old. Give me the list again. Kemet, Friarmuth, Fant, Irv Smith, Gasicki, Brevin Jordan, Okuwebenam, Njoku.
Starting point is 00:33:54 Friarmuth is so interesting because they lose Juju, they lose Washington. They bring in Pickens, they bring in Calvin Austin. We'll see what those two youngsters provide, but we'll see what, you know, those two youngsters provide, but, you know, we could see a, hopefully a target boost, you know, coming for Friar Moose with a new quarterback and Kenny Pickett and, you know, or, or Trubisky. But,
Starting point is 00:34:14 you know, there, there's, there's an opportunity there, you know, whereas as, as Heath has liked to joke, you know, the, the offense coordinator is now retired, you know, so no more Roethlisberger calling plays and maybe there is a little bit more of a focus on the tight end and they get a little bit creative with their receivers and how they use you know Deontay Johnson and use Chase Claypool so uh I'll buy into Fryermuth as well is that your answer though you think he has the most upside the best buy low in that group no I would say the same I I think it's hard to not look at commit and say he he has the most upside, but Friar Muth, I would think, is still two for me. Ready for some emails?
Starting point is 00:34:47 Oh, yeah. All right, here we go. First, we'll do our Apple Podcast questions. If you have any questions on YouTube, I would wait. I guess let's get through the Apple Podcast and the emails, and then I'll give you a little shout-out on YouTube
Starting point is 00:34:59 to get the questions in, and we'll do a little bit of your questions as well at the end. Coogfan121 is in a 12-team Superflex Dynasty League. The rookie draft is next week. He says I traded Jalen Waddell for the second... What does Coogfan mean? Coogfan. He's...
Starting point is 00:35:15 Yeah. Ages but a number. I traded Jalen Waddell for the second pick, needing running back help badly. And I also have pick five so he has two and five if i take kenneth walker at two which receiver would you recommend at five i was thinking olave but the landry news has me wondering if i should go a different direction garrett wilson jameson williams etc so who would you pair with kenneth walker do you trade a jail and waddle
Starting point is 00:35:43 to get Kenneth Walker? Looks like it. We're outgrading that trade, though, thankfully. That could be a good trade, right? It could be. Yeah, it could be. I would not give it a good grade right now. I think when you look at Alave, if you're looking long-term, you can't worry about Jarvis Landry
Starting point is 00:36:01 signing a one-year deal. Michael Thomas, also 29. A lot of it could be the number one guy in that receiving core for 2023 and beyond and could be awesome. If that's the guy you're targeting, he's in the right range. I don't know if I would take him maybe ahead of Jameson
Starting point is 00:36:17 just because of what his, of Jameson Williams, what his upside could be. If you think you're with now then you don't want to necessarily look at jameson williams and say he's the best bet but i mean garrett wilson could be there five for you right yeah i just say if assuming hall is going one and you're taking walker two um i would i would take london wilson orks, one of those three, whichever one falls. A quick thought here. I think in a normal year trading Jalen
Starting point is 00:36:52 Waddle for the number two pick in a rookie super flex draft is not bad. It's good value, but since the quarterbacks are so bad this year, it just didn't really work out. I've already done one rookie super flex dynasty draft
Starting point is 00:37:07 and one quarterback went in the first round. From DannyMac25 Dynasty League, get J.K. Dobbins and Adam Thielen. Give Josh Palmer and a 2023 first round pick.
Starting point is 00:37:26 Get Dobbins and who? Dobbins and Thielen. Give Palmer and a 2023 first round pick. Get Dobbins and who? Dobbins and Thielen. Give Palmer and a 2023 first round pick. I'm giving it a round of applause. I like it. I guess unless the 2023 first round pick is in the top five, it's a runaway. Yeah, it's A plus.
Starting point is 00:37:43 Assuming that you're like, I don't know why you'd be trading for J.K. Dobbins and Adam Thielen if you're not a good team. So, A+. It's going to make you a lot better, too. Yeah. In theory. Well, as we saw last year, those guys didn't play. Alright.
Starting point is 00:37:57 Time for emails now. FantasyFootball at CBSi.com. This is from James. Can you guys make an argument for not going with two running backs? I'm hoping to get Justin Jefferson and then Jamar Chase with my first two picks. It's a 10-team league. Hopefully get a later pick and then get Justin and Jamar. Your thoughts? So you'd probably be getting those two guys
Starting point is 00:38:18 and then some running backs in the range of maybe Barkley, Brees Hall, Zeke, Dobbins. Maybe Montgomery. Maybe Montgomery, Akers. I mean, 10-team league, it's much easier to do. Love it, love it, love it. Okay, from Winston. Do I trade for Cooper Cup, giving up Jonathan Taylor?
Starting point is 00:38:42 Wait, whoa. Do I do a trade for Cup for Jonathan Taylor and Derek Henry? It says Henry. Could be any Henry. Yeah, who else could it be? I don't know, but I'd like it. Hunter Henry?
Starting point is 00:38:56 Could be Hunter Henry, yes. Could be Hunter Henry. Henry Rowan Gardner? I'd still rather have Taylor. Take the Taylor side? Yeah. Okay. You're not giving up Taylor and something to get
Starting point is 00:39:09 anybody else. Right, right, right. Unless it's like seven players. This is from Kevin. Kevin says, Dear Austin, Mitch, Morgan, and Jack. You need to get the Oscars music as a drop so we can play it halfway through you reading this email.
Starting point is 00:39:27 I'm not going to read the whole thing. Okay. Austin, Mitch, Morgan, and Jack are Toronto Maple Leafs, according to Google. You can know that as a hockey buff now. Are they in the playoffs still? No, they lost to the Lightning, who are now up 1-0 on my Panthers.
Starting point is 00:39:44 And I don't have a good feeling about my Panthers. I do think they're... Is this the final? No, it's the conference semifinals. We've got a long ways to go. Oh. They're around behind... Florida division.
Starting point is 00:39:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're around behind the NBA. They spent like two weeks in Florida and gone the entire series. Oh, yeah, right. Could have driven back and forth to Tampa. Yeah. All right, here's the question.
Starting point is 00:40:09 I've recently proposed this rule, which I've dubbed the taco rule in the leagues I commission. You only do it on Tuesdays? I don't know why it's called the taco rule. I'm wondering if this is a league reference. Yeah, that's my guess. Yeah, I think it's the league. Okay, no league vetoes.
Starting point is 00:40:25 In their place, we implement the taco rule. Every trade that happens outside the rookie draft has a 24-hour window from the completion of the trade where either side can be countered by another member of the league. So let me explain. Team A trades Jonathan Taylor and Ingram to Team B for Jimmy Garoppolo and Brandon
Starting point is 00:40:46 Ayuk. Under current rules, the league would be up in arms and a huge debate would ensue with a lot of bad feelings. But under the proposed taco rule, any other team could negotiate for the Jonathan Taylor and Mark Ingram package. Team A can't add anything to the deal, but teams C through Z who thought the value was too low, have the opportunity to put their money where their mouth is. There cannot be a chain of counters. Let's say Team A and C agree to counter the deal,
Starting point is 00:41:14 to a counter, okay, they agree to a new deal. To keep from having an open market on all players, the deal stands so long as there's no collusion. So, and the commissioner retains the right to veto any trade if collusion is found and confirmed. So basically, two teams... So you two agreed on a crappy trade.
Starting point is 00:41:31 Yeah, yeah. And the league goes up in arms about it. Keith cannot propose a different trade offer. Right, it's the same terms. But I can make a different trade with you, Adam, that we can then mutually grant. Yeah, I get to accept my favorite trade. The rest of the league gets to make another offer.
Starting point is 00:41:48 I kind of like it. I just think that Heath should be able to make another offer. Once his offer is bested, Heath should then be able to say, okay, I'm coming back with this. So, what if, and this is hard to prove, but what if the
Starting point is 00:42:03 proposed trade of Garoppolo and Ayuk for Taylor and I forget who else it was. Mark Ingram. Mark Ingram. What if that was done as some sort of collusion? Like, hey, I can't give you what you want for Taylor, but maybe somebody else can. So I'm going to make you just a terrible trade offer.
Starting point is 00:42:22 Right, right. Yeah, that's why, well, I don't want to play that game because if it's collusion, then it sucks, but let's just say everybody has good intentions. Like, take collusion out for a second because I think that's a good point, and it would almost certainly happen. But, like, if someone has already agreed
Starting point is 00:42:41 to accept Garoppolo and Ayuk for Jonathan Taylor, why do we have any faith that they are now going to choose the best offer they get when they receive multiple offers? They've already shown they do not have good judgment. Somebody might offer them a better deal. They'll take a better deal.
Starting point is 00:43:00 How about we keep the rules the same and just go eat tacos? I like the rule a little bit. I just think that it's not fair. What do you like about it? Just make a fair trade. Because it's fun. Look, I wouldn't do it in my league, but I think it's fun if you guys are into it.
Starting point is 00:43:12 But I think if there's one change that needs to be made, it's that the original team that's getting screwed needs to be able to make a counteroffer. Otherwise, what incentive do you have to start trade negotiations? You're always going to lose. The terrible trade was the Taylor side offering it. Well, I think you can counter either side, right? No, but let's just say that's a good point. So the Taylor manager is the one that offered the trade to the Garoppolo manager. So now the league is saying, okay, no, this deal is not fair because Taylor
Starting point is 00:43:46 is worth much more. Why is the person that accepted the trade offer now frozen out of it? No, you're not. Either side can be countered. Either side can be countered. Well, you said no. No, I didn't say that. Either side can be countered. Either side of the trade can be countered. What can't happen is the original offer, the two owners involved or managers involved in the original offer, right now they involved or managers involved, the original offer, right now they can't make another offer if their offer is beaten by a different order.
Starting point is 00:44:11 They should be able to. Okay, so we're all assuming that everybody's now trying to make trades to acquire Taylor. Right. Can you make two trade offers? So like you two guys made this terrible trade, the league vetoes it. Could I now offer a trade to you for Taylor
Starting point is 00:44:25 and then a trade to Heath for Garoppolo if I want to try and inquire both sides? Yes, you can. This is so complicated. Why are you complicating things? I don't mind it, but I think... And then the commissioner can still veto it on top of it? If there's collusion, only in collusion.
Starting point is 00:44:42 How are they going to determine collusion? You know it when you see it. All right, let's go to Cooper'susion? You know it when you see it. All right, let's go to Cooper's email, the one that I touted earlier. I can see what the burrito rule is. Cooper said that you're all too low on Rashad Penny. He goes on to lay out
Starting point is 00:44:57 how great his numbers were, how Pete Carroll loves him. Quote, I'm really excited about Rashad coming back. The way he played at the end of the football season last year just jumped off the film. I don't know how we were able to get him back, maybe because of his history, but he was one of the best players in the league.
Starting point is 00:45:11 Yeah. Wait. Okay. First off, you said this was a really good email from Cooper, and I'm looking at it, and there's lots of numbers and stuff. Let's not lead with Pete Carroll talking positively about someone.
Starting point is 00:45:24 That means nothing. But I already gave you the lead. stuff let's not lead with pete carroll talking positively about someone i know that means nothing but i already gave you the lead the lead is rashad penny anytime he's had work he's been awesome and um yeah so i i see a couple of what if penny is nick chubb and ken walker is cream hunt or what if penny is derrick hen, like, those offenses are good. Yeah. This is not probably going to be a good offense. The thing for me with Penny is how many games are going to play? You know, you could tell me Ken Walker is going to be awesome.
Starting point is 00:46:01 If Rashad Penny plays the majority of the season, he's going to be the lead running back. I would be very surprised if he's not the lead guy. It'll probably be like a 55, 45 split, a 60, 40 split. They'll be very close.
Starting point is 00:46:12 But I think if Penny's healthy, he's going to lead the team and carry. Okay. That that's a, I think it's pretty hot take personally. I don't know that people see it that way. I don't have it ranked that way because I don't expect Penny to play the majority of season.
Starting point is 00:46:25 I mean, we're just, we have to go I don't have it ranked that way because I don't expect Penny to play the majority of the season. I mean, we're just, we have to go based on what his track record is just because he had a strong finish and got a little bit of a reward for it. I mean, it's not like he got a long-term deal. Yeah. He got a short-term deal to stay in Seattle.
Starting point is 00:46:36 I mean, that like Pete Carroll said, I don't know how we kept him. Well, I mean, who's going to pay a guy that can't stay on the field. I, I'm just saying, I think people feel like Ken Walker walks in
Starting point is 00:46:47 and he's a starting running back. No, I don't think he walks in as a starting running back. I think it's going to be something that Ken Walker has to earn and Penny has to probably miss time. And there's also the Chris Carson factor as well, which is still looming out there until they decide to cut him or put him on the pop list for the season or IR, however they handle it.
Starting point is 00:47:04 But, I mean, Penny's career is an injury. It sucks. him or put him on the pop list for the season or ir however they handle it um but i mean penny's career is an injury it it sucks because you see the upside i mean he was barry sanders last year at the end of the season you know it's hard to overlook what he could be i mean we've been waiting for it for four years but you know three plus injury seasons and they just drafted another guy despite paying him you know as as he said i don't care what pete carroll says their actions speak louder than what what he says and so they would love a one-two punch they would love for rashad penny i'm sure to build off what he did last year he was amazing but how can you trust that yeah i think his upside is leading a committee without the passing downs work.
Starting point is 00:47:48 And there's obviously significant risk that he could either get hurt or lose his job to Walker or the offense is so bad that we don't care. And it was, as Heath said, this was a Russell Wilson-led offense that he was running behind last year. Drew Locker, Geno Smith, I mean, how many touchdown opportunities is he going to have? How good could this team potentially be?
Starting point is 00:48:06 I mean, this could be an absolute disaster. Next email is from Kevin. Hey, Barkley, Connor, Mostert, and Sanders. Injury prone running backs. Yeah, you put Penny on there too. Injury prone running backs. So Kevin has an issue with injury talk. I've noticed that potential injuries
Starting point is 00:48:24 are consistently brought up and it feels like an unnecessary caveat a lot of the time. Clearly, injuries are common occurrence in this violent sport, but I'm not sure how much it adds to the analysis to mention the fact that a player could get injured. This is especially the case when calling a player injury prone, since this is mostly just an award given to players who have been unlucky recently. For example, people called Matthew Stafford, Frank Gore, and Keenan Allen injury prone. Without some means of quantifying likelihood, we're really just playing pin the tail on the
Starting point is 00:48:50 donkey. What do you think? Are we factoring in injuries too much? I mean, the position you have to factor in the most clearly is running back. How much has a guy missed time over X amount of period of time you know so for penny there's clearly a track record of missing significant time due to injury
Starting point is 00:49:11 you know the ones that we're going to probably dissect a lot are mcafree and barkley and you know i don't know how many people are going to really you know be concerned about most of this point but um you know mcafree how much of that was fluky? You know, shoulder, ankle, hamstring. You know, it's not like he tore his ACL. It's not like he's had these significant injuries, whereas Barkley has. You know, Barkley's had the high ankle sprain that, you know, forced him to miss six games.
Starting point is 00:49:36 He had the ACL tear, you know, and so it's not always just the injury. It's also the recovery from the injury, and when is the player back to being their full selves? you know we got spoiled with adrian peterson that year that he comes back from a torn acl in less than you know eight months whatever it was less than a year and he runs for 2 000 yards you know players just don't do that you know cam acres is an outlier coming back from the achilles injury and getting all the work that he did you know so uh i agree i don't think it's fair to necessarily you know look at these guys and say injury prone and say that they're always going to be injured.
Starting point is 00:50:08 But some guys, unfortunately, that's just been the nature of their careers. Rashad Penny being kind of the poster child for that. Will Fuller being the poster child for that. These guys just don't stay healthy for whatever the case may be. Yeah, I mostly agree with the idea that most players may overemphasize injuries, but there are certain guys. have earned that, that you just have to discuss it when discussing their value. Because if we thought that those guys were going to play 17 games, we would have to rank them a lot higher. Right.
Starting point is 00:50:52 It's also, I think, you know, how you draft, you know, so I did this most recent magazine draft and, you know, I posted the, my team and the, the common, you know, detractor to it was these guys are always injured it was mcafree it was godwin you know who's coming off really his first significant injury or you know dealing with his first significant injury um trying to think what else i have on that team those are the two that stood out uh i juju you know another guy that that seems to be getting an injury prone label. So, you know, if you draft for what the most upside can be, you're going to take these guys. If you draft because you don't want to deal with it, you can avoid them. I mean, you know, it's pretty simple. You know, if you are
Starting point is 00:51:37 risk averse, which a lot of people have a lot of success doing that, I'm not taking McCaffrey in the first five picks. I'm not taking, you know, Chris Godwin, like, you know, Adam, I know, I don't think you're gonna take him around two anymore, but you know, you may buy into round three. Like I said, round four, he said the three, four turn, you know, you're going to take guys that are coming off of injuries with the upside of what they can be, you know, taking Michael Thomas because of the upside of what he can be, you know, those are the players that are league winners, but you know, you have to factor in age with some of them. You have to factor in circumstances with, with some of them, but if Barkley plays 17 games,
Starting point is 00:52:06 I don't care how bad the giants are. I think he still has top 10 upside because of what I've seen from him. But most people are going to say, I'm not taking sake on Barkley because the last two years, he's been a disaster. Christian McCaffrey, the last two years has been a disaster. Michael Thomas has been a disaster.
Starting point is 00:52:20 I get it. But I think if you're drafting to maximize your roster, you're still buying into these guys because of what they can still do. Next email. It's about Will Fuller. It's from Mike S. in a town 150 miles away
Starting point is 00:52:36 from Adam's house in Sleepy Hollow. I'll put it in ways. He says, hey, Smith, Farrell, and Grace, and those are Wills. With teams like the Falcons and the Bears very obviously scraping the bottom of the barrel to find wide receivers, why has no one signed and why is no one even talking about Will Fuller? That's a good point.
Starting point is 00:52:54 I'd like to see him end up somewhere. I hope he does. There's a little talk. I wonder if it's just like he's in a situation kind of like Juju where, man, you got to do something this year. You might, you probably not get more than a one-year deal and it's going to be a prove it deal. And so he may be holding out for the perfect situation. Yeah. You know, we don't, we don't know any contracts that have been offered to him. And he said, you know, no,
Starting point is 00:53:18 I'm I'll, I'll wait out until there's an injury in training camp. I'll wait out until there's an injury in the season. He still has something that it's hard to replicate, which is speed, as long as he can still run. You've heard the Browns rumors, and they still may decide to do that. And it might be a situation where they're waiting to find out that Deshaun Watson is, because why waste six weeks of Will Fuller
Starting point is 00:53:42 if they don't have to pay him and maybe sign him after week one when his contract's not guaranteed. So who knows? I think if you have him in Dynasty, I haven't won Dynasty League. You know, he's certainly a hold. You know, I don't know how many people are actually actively shopping to acquire him, but, you know, if you want to get ahead of it,
Starting point is 00:53:57 put in a cheap offer, you know, a third, fourth-round rookie-only pick and see if, you know, some managers want to bite because they're in a rebuild mode. And maybe you get a, you know get a number two, number three receiver out if he ends up in the right situation. Next email is from Tyrell in the fastest growing city in Idaho. I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:54:19 Dear John, Hans, Carl, and Argyle. Those are elves. I have the second overall pick and Brees Hall is going first. I could take Drake London, but I already have pits. I could take Garrett Wilson, but I already have Elijah Moore. What would you do with the second pick?
Starting point is 00:54:35 He has AJ Brown, McLaurin, DJ Moore, Elijah Moore, Sutton and Gallop. Very good wide receivers. He has Swift, Javante Williams,
Starting point is 00:54:43 Clyde Edwards, Z layer, Ramondre Stevenson, Daryl Henderson. So would you go with a wide receiver or a Ken Walker at number two?
Starting point is 00:54:51 And he already has Pitts and Morris, so he's a little hesitant on London and Garrett Wilson. But what would you guys do? Can I go to Traylon Burks? London is my second ranked player,
Starting point is 00:55:04 but I don't feel strongly really in the order of two through six so i would be seeing if i could move back and acquire some 2023 draft capital smart or even 2022 capital as well if you can right this is from sergio 10 team full PPR superflex. I'm keeping Herbert with pick 1.9, keeping Eckler at 4.2. I need help with one more keeper. Mike Williams in the 12th, Marquise Brown in the 12th, or Devin Singletary in the 13th?
Starting point is 00:55:36 And he says, let's go heat. Not answering your question. Or you got Marcus Smart back. Marquise Brown. I'm going to go Mike Williams. I've got him just ahead of Marquise. What percentage of games, NBA playoff games,
Starting point is 00:56:00 if I told you X percent of games have finished with double-digit outcomes, double-digit final score differences outcomes you know double digit final score differences you know i'm saying decided by double digits what would be like oh well that's bad 30 percent more than half of the entire playoff yeah yeah because it feels like more than half it's just been hot garbage every night man i just don't think that's true. It is. Sucks. I mean, you're in this little Celtics world where everything's peachy. There's clearly been a lot of that. There's also been some great theater.
Starting point is 00:56:32 You know, Heath might be a little biased because he just watched Tatum versus Giannis for seven games, which was amazing. You know, Luca against the Suns prior to game seven was amazing. you know, and just taking on that team essentially by himself.
Starting point is 00:56:48 So I don't know. I mean, to be fair, I turn on the game, I see the score and I go, this game sucked. So, you know,
Starting point is 00:56:57 like I'm following it. I, I admittedly fell asleep. At halftime of the game last night. And so I missed the third quarter by the time I woke up. And the game was out of hand at that point. But when I think when I started to doze off, it was like a 35-33 game.
Starting point is 00:57:14 Yeah, that doesn't count. It's got to be good for more than 70 points. No, but it's like... Combined points. Dallas was running on steam yesterday. Again, traveling after playing a game seven to have to go to a rest of the Golden State team. The fact that they didn't get slaughtered in the first quarter,
Starting point is 00:57:30 I thought, okay, they'll make a game of it because they're the best player in the series. Well, they didn't because the- I will say that every game of the Dallas-Utah series was within 10 points. Well, good. Okay. And that Memphis-Minnesota series was awesome. That was a very good series.
Starting point is 00:57:45 Hockey has been better, though. Okay, so let's read some YouTube questions. YouTubers, go. I got about five minutes to answer your questions. Let's think. There was a question about Austin Hooper. That's a good question. Do you think he can get back to his Falcons production,
Starting point is 00:58:00 Austin Hooper with the Titans? No. Yes, but you don't have to draft him that way. From Scott, do you think David Njoku could be a back-end top 12 tight end this year? Yes, but again, how many games? It's not because of Jokowi Perced. How many games is Deshaun Watson missing? Okay, looking for more questions.
Starting point is 00:58:22 They're filing in. NBA playoffs are terrible. What else can i talk about right now been watching kids in the hall would you guys ever watch kids in the hall no did you guys finish those are get no no what i know it's horrible it's we have no time to watch it really stinks yeah kids in the hall yeah kids in the hall is 25 minutes and i can watch it by myself i have to watch. It really stinks. Yeah. Don't watch Kids in the Hall. Yeah. Kids in the Hall is 25 minutes, and I can watch it by myself. I have to watch Ozark with my wife. That's the problem. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:51 You haven't finished it either? I've got to watch it with my wife. I think I have three episodes left. I think I've watched like three whole series during the period of no. Okay. Okay, here we go. 10-team, one quarterback dynasty. The guy of Waller and Adams with Godwin, Higgins, McLaurin, here we go. 10-team, one quarterback dynasty league.
Starting point is 00:59:06 I have Waller and Adams with Godwin, Higgins, McLaurin, and Gabe Davis. So it's Waller, Adams, Godwin, Higgins, McLaurin, Gabe Davis. Very good. I also have pick 105, and I have Devante Adams on the block. He says thoughts. I don't know what that means. Thoughts with 105? I guess the question would be it's a 10-team league.
Starting point is 00:59:37 The fact that you have two picks in the top 10, I would probably hold on to Adams unless you're getting something just overwhelming because this feels like a contending team not knowing your running backs you have you know top five tight end you have you know clearly a very good receiving core
Starting point is 00:59:50 once Godwin's back unless you're trying to you know package Adams and maybe one of those picks to move up and get something else in return I don't know I would probably just hold on to him yeah if you don't have any running backs or quarterbacks which you traded Jalen Hurts last year, so you should,
Starting point is 01:00:07 and you're trading Adams, then you should be trading Waller too. But I agree with Jamie. The wide receivers and tight end will be a contending team. Are you buying a Zeke bounce back from Jeff? We had a good discussion about him on our last podcast. Are you buying a Zeke bounce back? I think if you're buying him at the right price, yes. If you're buying him to
Starting point is 01:00:28 produce as a top 10 running back and you have to pay that cost, then no. It's like Alan Robinson. I think he's going to bounce back a little bit from the end of last year, but not to where he was in the past. I've got him at RB16 now. Does DeAndre Swift have top five upside from Joe?
Starting point is 01:00:43 Upside, sure. Where do you, from sure. Where do you draft Alvin Kamara in a Dynasty League right now? Round two. Yeah, I've got him at round three. Last question from Matthew. PPR, Superflex, Dynasty. What wide receiver can I get for Chase Claypool and Jerry Judy? I mean, Judy's probably all over the map.
Starting point is 01:01:12 Claypool, probably not so much. But, you know, Judy, if you're expecting him to have this monster breakout campaign or at least a moderate breakout campaign, but you're not sold on that, then, I don't know. I think you may be looking at Marquise Brown and something.
Starting point is 01:01:36 That's low. Yeah, I think you ought to be able to get like a I mean, if you're trying to get a, you know, when now player like Devante Adams might be able to pull it up.
Starting point is 01:01:50 Digs or Adams. Yeah. Uh, okay. All right guys. Thank you. Both those guys, their values could be anywhere right now.
Starting point is 01:01:59 So it'd be tough to trade. Both. Judy's the one that should still command something. But again, it doesn't matter, you know who you're trading to. Okay. Have a great weekend, everyone a matter of who you're trading to. Okay. Have a great weekend, everyone.
Starting point is 01:02:08 We will talk to you on Monday with an early ADP review. I don't know what's worse. You two not watching Ozark yet, or Dave not watching Taken. I've watched... Oh, it's Dave. I think I'm on episode 12. Yeah, me too. 13.
Starting point is 01:02:22 I just finished 12. Okay, I just finished 11. So you have three left and you have two left. Yeah. Yeah, me too. 13. I just finished 12. Okay, I just finished 11. So you have three left and you have two left. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So we'll get there. We'll get there. I mean, when Marty dies, you guys are going to stay.
Starting point is 01:02:34 Right. Okay. You know, why would you say that? Because now I don't think he's going to die. Goodbye, everybody. We will talk to you on Monday on Fantasy Football today. And the cartel beheads us. I hate you. I hate you.

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