Fantasy Football Today - Lamar Jackson Trade? Plus, Some Bold Fantasy Statements! (03/27 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: March 27, 2023

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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. A very March Madness podcast for you right now on Monday. And I'm not talking about college basketball. I'm talking about Lamar Jackson requesting a trade. This just happened. And Jamie's actually in Phoenix right now at the owner's meeting. So he's trying to talk. The coaches are out there, too.

He's trying to talk to Jim Harbaugh, and it's not working. Or John Harbaugh, whichever one it is. It's not working. And, of course, Dave told him, ask him about Isaiah Likely. So that's our group text right now. Anyway, welcome to the show. It is Monday, Monday early. It's 11 o'clock.

And we're reacting to the big news. I'm Adam Azer with Heath Cummings. Monday morning is what this is. I'm Rusty, man. I was really sick last week. I'm very sorry. I'm completely wrapped up in Miami Hurricanes. You get a lot of little sicknesses.

And then now Lamar Jackson is rocking our world. So we'll talk about that. Also, Heath gets to react to all the stuff he missed from last week. So that would be Devin Singletary and Damian Harris and Elijah Moore. And I have got three earth-shattering, pot-stirring fantasy

statements I'm going to make, and I want to get your reaction. You heard Dan Schneier as well. Good morning, Dan. Good morning, Adam. Good to see you here. Good to see you all cheery today with Miami making this Final Four run. It was pretty impressive, so I was rooting for you guys. Thank you.

I appreciate it. South Florida basketball represent. Heath's got some FAU ties. He lives in Boca. I know you're excited for Saturday to watch some South Florida hoops. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that was seriously for the weekend probably the greatest free throw shooting performance I've ever seen from a team.

16 of 19 on Friday, and they made like 35 in the second half yesterday to advance. That was the Canes can make their free throws. Yes. Yes, they can. It was pretty crazy. It won them the game. Yes. Yes, they can. It was pretty crazy. It won them the game. All right, let's talk about that. Was that like a little, were you doing something there, Heath?

I think so. I feel like Miami got a lot of calls. No, I was tweeting about it last night. If you look, the way we evaluate shooters in the NBA, if you're a 50-40-90 guy, 50% field goal, 40% three, 90% from free throw line, you are an elite shooter in the NBA. For the weekend, Miami went 55-39-86. It was one of the best shooting weekends from a college basketball team,

especially when you consider that Houston had arguably the best defense in the country. Right. Look at Heath. Crazy. Look at Heath. I love it. Heath's a big hoops fan. Heath's a college basketball savant.

He's a hoops fan. Screw Ken Palm. We got Heath. Oh, Ken Palm. Ken Palm has Miami at 23. Crazy. Look at Heath. I love it. Heath's a big Hoops fan. Heath's a college basketball savant. He's a Hoops fan. Screw Ken Palm. We got Heath. Oh, Ken Palm. Ken Palm has Miami at 23 right now. Ken Palm hates Miami. All right, anyway. Ken Palm hated Miami.

Let's get into fantasy football here, guys. So Lamar Jackson has requested a trade. Heath, if you have Lamar Jackson on a dynasty roster right now, how are you feeling about this? Very, very nervous. Because I don't really find it likely that the Ravens are going to agree to his demand. This feels a little bit like the Michael Scott, I declare bankruptcy. I don't think Lamar Jackson is going to have his request honored. And so we're going to get into August or September and it's going to become a, is he playing?

I declare bankruptcy. That is so funny. Also funnier than anything that's happened on Parks and Rec. And Dan thinks Parks and Rec is better than The Office. Considerably better show. No, I've watched season one three times. I never made it past season one, but. You have to go past season one.

That's the Mark Brandanowicz season. You have to start in season two. Everyone knows that with Parks. Dan, same question to you. You have Lamar Jackson on a Dynasty team. How are you reacting to this news? I think I'm with Heath. This is not good news. The Ravens have no interest in honoring this trade. He comes out and he says, I want to get traded, but that doesn't really

move the needle at all for Baltimore. I don't see how that impacts their side of it. We're going to see what Heath said. I think we're how that impacts their side of it. So we're going to see what he said. I think we're going to see this drag into August, but then that's kind of the time where I might be interested in buying on Lamar Jackson and dynasty because his value, I think will drop, but it won't really be related to anything other than Baltimore, not honoring his request, the trade going nowhere. Cause eventually he has to play the season. I don't see him sitting out the season like Le'Veon Bell did or anything like that.

So Lamar Jackson was removing. You think he might, Heath? Oh. I don't know that he's going to. I mean, first off, I don't think that the situation's that great for him right now. They will not add a wide receiver. They just don't care. Nelson Aguilar.

Exactly. Thank you for making my point. Willie Sneed. Deshaun Jackson. Demarcus Robinson. But Rashad Bateman, Marquise Brown, they have invested in wide receiver. They have.

Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. When he had Marquise Brown, he was really good. And I wouldn't call that much of an investment. Like, looking around the league, can you think of a team that's invested less than that at the wide receiver position, really? New York football giants. Besides the Giants. Giants are a great example.

I mean, they tried with Galladay, and they drafted Gary Sturdy. And they did try a little bit. They tried with Tony, Galladay, Wandel in round two. So there's not many of those mid-round picks for the Ravens to really kind of reboost that wide receiver core. I don't know if I still have these stats, but no team has gotten less production from wide receivers over the last, I think, four years than the Baltimore Ravens.

That's, you know, a lot of things go into that. They don't throw the ball that much. But yeah, they obviously, I don't know. What I was going to say was that he was the number five quarterback per game if you take out week 13 when he barely played. Those kill his averages. But he was the number five quarterback in both four-point

and six-point for pass and touchdown leagues. It has been the last two years kind of inconsistent production, some huge weeks, and then a number of weeks where people, fantasy managers, are frustrated with lamar jackson um but dan i think you were you had some reservations about him to begin with just with a new system uh and this doesn't help if you're trying to learn a new system this is not a good thing exactly that's a big that's a big concern for this immediate fantasies and for dynasty i feel like there might be a little bit of a buy lowish window but redraft is

not i'm not going to be drafting much of lamar jackson this year anyway because of what you just mentioned i don't like his weapons i don't like the new system i don't it could help him but i'm not sold on that and now you add in potential missed time during training camp when you're trying to learn that system you get on the same page as your receivers it's not a good recipe at the same time there's a lot of teams who came out immediately and said we're not interested in talking to lamar jackson they could have just been lying um teams do that all the time they they should have been um lying if they're trying to win football games and so maybe he will get traded and maybe things will look a lot better um he's number six for me in both redraft and dynasty right now. It,

if this causes him to fall and he's falling into that QB eight to 10 range, then I'm going to draft a ton of him because nobody you're going to get there has his upside. I have a question for you then Heath, will you, where do you view if the trade is to, if the trade happens and it's to Washington or yeah, that's where I, I was almost going to call them their former team name.

So the commanders, I always mess that one up. So so it's to the commanders where do you put him after that for redraft because if they can get that team sold within the net if that timeline moves up and I'm hearing it's starting to move up and eat up that's when I think it's possible to make a move for the Martin Jacks because you have to give him that massive massive contract where does he move then for you probably four I don't i don't think he's gonna hurt hurts mahomes or allen um but i like there's nobody if everything's okay for lamar jackson there's nobody else that i would want to rank ahead of him i think at that point he has the best receiver core by far he's out of his career correct easily right yeah where did you say, Dan? Washington. The Commanders.

Atlanta's another one that would be fantastic. Okay, guys. It would be great. All right, listen, I don't know that there's much else to talk about here. We'll keep reacting as we get more news. We'll see what happens. But Lamar Jackson has requested a trade. I just know if I had Mark Andrews in Dynasty,

I would probably be looking to sell just a little bit low on him, especially if I was a rebuilding team and I only had two good players and they were both tight ends. That team also has Justin Fields. I don't know if he's considered a good player in Dynasty anymore to most people, but to me, I would consider him potentially a good player. Definitely a good player. I apologize. I guess we could talk about that. I might even consider DJ Moore a good player. I don't know. I mean, would you rather Mark Andrews have Lamar Jackson? We know what the two of them can do together or a more conventional

quarterback that's going to throw the ball more? For Mark Andrews, would you rather the Ravens keep Lamar Jackson or move on for Mark Andrews' fantasy's sake? It's Lamar for sure for me. They have developed a rapport. Their timing is great. And they have past production,

so we know it's already there with them. Anything else is just a guessing game. And your mystery box quarterback here, like 90% of good quarterbacks have been ruled out. So it's like the chances you were getting someone who even throws as well as Lamar Jackson without the rushing or not that great. Well, you could trade Lamar Jackson for one of the first picks in the draft to a

quarterback needy team. And then, you know, get in that rookie pool could do that. I would much rather have Lamar Jackson than any quarterback in his draft for Mark Andrews. Okay. Completely agree. All right.

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Yes, we do have a Fantasy Football Dynasty podcast. I am so, so, so excited. I don't have to ask Adam to talk about Dynasty anymore. I get to talk about Dynasty without him, which we'll be with Dan for sure coming up soon. We are launching it tomorrow. Dave Richard will be there. Mystery Guest will be there.

And we're going to have a lot of fun. That is so cool. All right. So it's fantasy. Right now it's called FFT Dynasty. It's hosted by Heath and begins tomorrow. And make sure you check it out. And I cannot wait for that.

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basically any fantasy relevant player in your first one through four rounds of that draft we're hoping to hit so we're gonna have a profile strengths weaknesses from we try to watch about six games of film on these players also fantasy football fits dynasty outlook things like that 40 time metrics uh combine metrics so check it out on the site also we will be talking about all those players in the month of april with dan with dave with special guests breaking down all the prospects leading up to the draft very cool all right let's uh get heath's reactions to last week's news items. So first one, Devin Singletary to Houston. Go, Heath. Bad news for Damian Pierce. Not crushing news for Damian Pierce, but I don't think he's going to have a 70% rush share on the Texans anymore. Obviously, this coaching staff comes from San

Francisco, where before Christian McCaffrey, there was a lot of mixing and matching at the running back position. I would expect there will be more mixing and matching than there was a lot of mixing and matching at the running back position. I would expect there will be more mixing and matching than there was in Houston last year. We talked last week about Damian Pierce being a top 10, top 12, top 15 running back in redraft. I think he's closer to RB20 now, and that will be dependent on how off-season rehab goes for some of these guys that are coming off of injuries and what happens with landing spots in the draft. But low-end RB2 for Damian Pierce now. Singletary for me is really not much more than a handcuff. Okay, in the draft that we did a week ago,

Damian Pierce went to Dave, 49th overall, first pick of round five, and he went one pick after David Montgomery. So the running backs, he went after Najee Harris, who made it pretty late, mid-round four. Then Dalvin Cook, David Montgomery, and then into round five, Damian Pierce, just ahead of Miles Sanders.

I guess those are all pretty relevant. Montgomery, Pierce, Miles Sanders, that's how it went. What do you guys think about that order? I would take Pierce. Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead, Steve. I was saying Pierce would be dead last on that list for me after those three. I don't know who Steve

is, but Miles Sanders easily Miles Sanders easily at the top of the list. He might be a top 12 running back for me if nothing else changes by the time we get to September. Wow.

Um, and then Pierce just slightly ahead of David Montgomery. Um, both of them right there with Najee Harris. So I agree with that. Okay. I never called you Steve. I never called you Keith. Sometimes when you're talking fast on a podcast and words are blurring together, you can try to, you know, you're trying to cut it off a word here a word there and things sound different but i think i

like to think i know your name and then one day i'll be on a podcast and someone will tell me your name's not actually he's gonna do a whole thing about that and it still hasn't been confirmed by you so that remains a rumor that i don't know to be true or untrue we're good kim okay uh devin singletary by the, went in round nine. He went just ahead of Damian Harris. So let's go to our next news item. Heath, Damian Harris to the Bills. Yeah, I think this is probably a bigger deal than Devin Singletary to the Texans.

This goes with a report that we got, not a report, a quote we got from Sean McDermott over the weekend that he would like for Josh Allen to start taking fewer hits, which we thought might happen last year. And then Josh Allen averaged more rush attempts per game than he ever had in his career last year. I would say we should expect some regression from Allen, particularly in the red zone. That's where he takes a lot of those hits. I would say this limits the upside of James Cook, who I would still strongly prefer over Damian Harris, but Cook is behind that Montgomery-Damian-Pierce range for sure, closer to RB30 as a high-end flex.

Damian Harris slightly ahead of Devin Singletary as kind of a backup. And, yeah, that's it. I thought, I listened to most of Thursday's podcast, which was Dave, Jamie, and Jake, our intern. I did not hear all of it. So Thomas, you can let me know if I'm repeating information here, but look at the guys who went around seven

or later at running back. This really jumped out to me. I don't know if this is going to happen, you know, but as of right now, round seven running backs were Alvin Kamara, DeAndre Swift, Jamal Williams. I don't know that I would have done that, but Khalil Herbert, James Cook, and Brian Robinson. Kamara, Swift, Jamal Williams, Khalil Herbert, James Cook, and Brian Robinson. Many of them affected by free agency or some changed teams. Rashad Penny was the first pick of round eight. James Conner, who was an every down back for the second half of the season

and a must-start guy for Arizona, and he's still there. He was next in round eight. I basically was very impressed by the running backs available in round seven and eight. And also we had Samaje Pirine and Jeff Wilson go in round eight. And that was just before Devin Singletary and Damian Harris. Damian Harris, that's not super exciting, those guys. But I thought the running backs in round seven and eight,

Kamara, Swift, Jamal Williams, Khalil Herbert, James Cook, Brian Robinson, Rashad Penny, James Connor, Samaj P. Ryan, Jeff Wilson. Dan, to me, as a group, I think really exciting given where you're getting them in the draft.

Yeah, it's deep into the draft. That's basically about, that's the range when I like to start taking my swings at running back again. If I'm building my team out the way I want to, I have one big running back, the hero running back again. If I'm building my team out the way I want to, I have one big running back,

the hero running back. And then I'm taking a lot of swings in that range. And that feels like a good group where I can get upside too. I like the upside with several players you named there. I mean, Swift is still a very talented back. Herbert is still very talented back. I know the situations are a bit murkier.

I feel very good about James Cook. I agree with Heath. If we're going to lose more of that red zone role, but even But even before Harris got there, we lost a lot of the red zone possibilities with Josh Allen just running in that range anyway. I feel like James Cook still has value. So there are definitely a lot of names I like there. And obviously Rashad Penny, I mean, that could be the biggest upside of all those players if he stays healthy. Such an interesting group and a wide, wide range of opinions that I have on these guys. Some of them,

I don't really want to take it around seven or eight and some of whom I think should probably go in around four or five. So I think Swift is an excellent value there. Obviously if Camara plays, he's going to be, but if Camara plays, then Jamal Williams probably shouldn't be taking that early. So that's kind of a mixed bag.

I don't, I'm pretty close to out on Khalil Herbert, I think, unless it's round seven or eight, just because I think we may be underrating Deontay Foreman. Yeah, maybe. Who are the guys that you would like to take round four or five there,

Heath? Swift, for sure. I think Cook's probably five or six. You said, like, I've got Samaj AP running right in that range. Well, Kamara, Swift. Kamara is tough with the suspension. You can't even talk about him, Hartman.

Yeah. All right, let's move on here. Last thing to react to was Elijah Moore being traded to Cleveland. Yeah, good for him. I'm glad he got away from the people who don't think he's pretty good. But I don't, again, this is another situation where Cleveland's passing game, like I don't think they're going to stop throwing it to Njoku as much as they have. I don't really believe they're going to turn into a 600 pass attempt team.

And I don't think Elijah Moore is as good as Amari Cooper. I Elijah Moore is a double digit round dart throw for me. Um, kind of where Donovan people's Jones was a week ago. The last six games of the season for Elijah Moore in his rookie year, 2021, he had 34 catches, 459 yards, and five touchdowns. He was on pace in those six games for 96 catches, 1,300 yards, and Buffalo, Philadelphia, and Miami. Those three were all top 10 against wide receivers that year. Two of them were top three against wide receivers. Every team he played was, except for Cincinnati, they weren't good against receivers. Every single team he played was a solid opponent. So we got so excited because he faced tough competition

in his last six games as a rookie, and he absolutely crushed it. And he did it with not so much Zach Wilson. He did it with Mike White, I think, Joe Flacco. But still, there was a lot to be excited about. I think a lot of people, oh, yeah, he was good his rookie year. No, his last six games he was incredible so but also he like it was not a good rookie year no like i think you can say he was good his rookie year and mean that he was great for six weeks and really looked like he needed cory davis to not be healthy to be the

team's number one wide receiver yeah but he still showed that you know what you know who else showed that in a six-game stretch as a rookie? Amonra St. Brown. So I don't want to just completely dismiss it. Right. Yeah. Moore never really got the chance to follow up on it. That is why people were excited about him going into year two.

Alright, that was discussed at length on Thursday's show, so we will leave it at that. We're going to take a break. When we come back, we've got some pretty boring news and notes like Marquez Calloway and DJ Chark and way to sell it out. It's in Crowder. And then, then we're going to get into it.

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Welcome back everybody. Dan Schneier is here and Heath Cummings is Steve Cummings is here. And do you guys have any final four teams left in any brackets? I have one bracket where Yukon's winning it all in that bracket. So if Yukon wins, I've done the scenario generator. I only finish in third place, which is a little disappointing, but I'll take it. It's a bigger pool.

And then I have something called Calcutta. Have you heard of Calcutta, Adam? No, I've heard of it. Or Heath? I've heard of Calcutta, but not as it goes for the NCAA tournament. For golf tournaments, I've heard of it. So tell me. Yeah, sure.

So it's a cool setup. I'll tell it real quick. You have 64 teams. You can bid on any of them and you bid real money. And then the prize pool is you get a percentage of the total pot, whatever it is. There's no budget. There's no cap for each win. You have one of the teams that we, our group chose was San Diego state, the Aztecs. We had a few others that lost Texas included, but now we're riding Aztecs and we're right now we've made our money back at this point. So we're at almost break even for what we invested. So every other win becomes a huge profit for us. So Aztecs rooting for the Aztecs.

Well, everyone can root for Miami because I did take Miami in a charity bracket and I am almost positive that if Miami wins, I will win the charity bracket. And Heath told me there's a pretty big prize there. I don't know if that's true or not. Yeah, I don't know. If it's not true, then we'll just say Steve said it. Let's go through some news items here. Sean Payton said that the Broncos are not trading Cortland Sutton or Jerry Judy.

Meanwhile, Russell Wilson had arthroscopic knee surgery during the offseason. So that's not a big deal, I don't think. But the fact that he said that, yeah, people, I get it. I read it. I hear all the stories. We're getting calls. We're not trading Cortland Sutton or Jerry Judy. Heath, do you buy that?

No, not entirely. I don't necessarily buy that they're definitely going to trade one of them either, but this is not enough to make me think they're absolutely going to be on the team. It's a really messy situation with what we've seen from Russell Wilson and his career and what we saw last year from Sean Payton coming in and just kind of starting over. And then you've got Tim Patrick coming back from injury, who apparently everyone in Denver loves, at least the people who speak without putting their name on it. So I don't know what to, I'm not excited about any of these guys, really. Oh, interesting. Okay. Sean McDermott wants Josh Allen to take fewer hits in 2023, as Heath mentioned earlier. Is that going to affect anyone's fantasy ranking of Josh Allen to take fewer hits in 2023, as Heath mentioned earlier, is that going to affect anyone's fantasy ranking

of Josh Allen? Not mine. No. I mean, look. Yeah, go ahead. I do think his rushing production is a lot more important to his fantasy production than maybe people let on.

I just don't really believe that Sean McDermott's going to be able to get inside Josh Allen's brain and change what he does. Yeah. Neither. I feel the same way. I feel like if you look at his touchdowns, there are a few, especially going back to when Brian Dable was running that offense,

there definitely are a few plays where you see quarterback power and design runs in the red zone. But a lot of what he did in the red zone was on,igned plays on scrambles and that's what he's referencing and i'm with heath on that i don't think that's going to change if he sees it he's going to take it uh kirk cousins offered to take less than daniel jones according to the minnesota star tribune and yet they could not work out a contract extension so we're going to talk about that in a little bit when I stir the pot with a spicy dynasty take,

which is not spicy at all. And just common sense. The Eagles signed right tackle Lane Johnson to a one year deal, an extension worth over $30 billion. So he'll be playing another year for the Eagles. The Jets re-sign running back Ty Johnson, Ezekiel Elliott. According to Adam Schefter,

Zeke has narrowed his choices down to the Jets, the Bengals, and the Eagles. Thanks, I hate it. I don't want him to go to the Jets. No. The Eagles would be fine, because then I could just not draft any Eagles

and be like, oh, it's fine. I think it's going to be the Bengals, and that would be an interesting one, too, I think. Yeah, it's fine. I think it's going to be the Bengals, and that would be an interesting one too, I think. Yeah, it is. I can't imagine they think that they'd rather have Ezekiel Elliott than Joe Mixon right now. Than Joe Mixon? Not at the same price, no.

Well, but we've talked about how they've already got dead money in Joe Mixon. I think they could just sign Zeke so cheap at this point that he's basically just like the P. Ryan replacement. Maybe. They don't do the same thing, I know. I know he's not much of a passing game option anymore, Zeke, but just like a cheap Bengals-type move. I don't know.

I've seen them make these types of moves in the past, take a veteran for cheap. Let's see. The Broncos sign running back Tony Jones, used to play for Sean Pay moves in the past. Take a veteran for cheap. Let's see. The Broncos signed running back Tony Jones. Used to play for Sean Payton with the Saints. The Raiders signed Austin Hooper to a one-year deal. Anyone care?

Not really. He's a top 24 tight end. So I think I am too. No? No? Okay. And then here are these boring wide receiver signings the Giants need more slot receivers apparently they sign Jamison Crowder the

Panthers sign DJ Chark the Broncos sign Marquez Calloway the Ravens sign Nelson Aguilar and the Browns sign Marquise Goodwin none of these matter right for fantasy no Crowder has a chance to matter he probably won't but he none of these matter, right? For fantasy? No.

Crowder has a chance to matter. He probably won't, but he has a chance to matter. If Richie James could become fantasy relevant in that style of offense, I think there are ways that that could break where Crowder does become fantasy relevant at some point. Like, do these guys have a type or what? Yeah, a giant. Can you give me a small slot-wide receiver

who is very likely to miss games with injury this year? I would like that guy on my team. That's essentially correct. Obviously, there's no guarantee James Crowder is going to be on the team. They need to go draft a wide receiver. They've got six guys that might play six games. Yeah.

Other than the teams that we know need quarterbacks, the Giants drafting a wide receiver in the first round is going to be one of the more popular mock draft assignments. Everyone's going to mock them with a wide receiver. And yet, I don't think it's going to happen. I'm going to mock them if they don't take them. Yeah, I was about to say. I think you're going to be mocking them regardless, Heath.

But yes, you will be mocking them in that case as well. All right. I'm going to stir the pot here and give you guys some statements and you can react to it. Didn't really know what to call this segment so I'm not sure if I'm going to be really stirring any pots. Alright, first one.

I don't know how much longer I have to give this disclaimer. This is not an endorsement of Deshaun Watson, the person. It's an endorsement of Deshaun Watson, the player. First, stirring the pot, comment Deshaun Watson, the person. It's an endorsement of Deshaun Watson, the player. First, stirring the pot, comment. Deshaun Watson is the steel of fantasy drafts. Would you like to react, or would you like me to explain? Where is he being drafted?

Somewhere around QB 10. I was looking at fantasy pros rankings right now i know where he goes in our drafts i'll tell you uh in i think he's even after he goes even after that he went in round 10 he went just before aaron rogers he went after dac prescott but he goes so much later than guys like justin her, who went in round five. Justin Fields, round five. Lamar Jackson, round six. Let's see.

Trevor Lawrence, round six. And then round 10. There were probably some quarterbacks in between that. But round 10, Deshaun Watson. I think he's the steal of fantasy drafts. I would prefer you explain first, because I don't want to steal your thunder, Adam, because I know going into this August, me and you are going to have a lot of battles for this Browns offense because I'm completely in line with you under Sean in this entire offense. Well, the passing game, at least.

So I'll let you explain your side first. And I think it's really easy. I don't care about what happened last year. I think he understandably was bad after not playing for almost two seasons. And before that, he was QB six, QB6, and QB6 per game, three straight seasons on a run-heavy offense. Two of those years were with DeAndre Hopkins. One of those years was without DeAndre Hopkins,

and he threw for almost 5,000 yards. He's going to run for about 500 yards. You know, he was on pace for that again last year. I just think he's being penalized for playing really poorly last season. I don't think that's Deshaun Watson. I think he's probably still just as good as he was in his prime, which is one of the best quarterbacks in football and one of the best quarterbacks in fantasy.

The end. Yeah, I think when you said he was, what, QB6, QB6, QB6, or whatever? In six-point, yeah. when you said he was what qb6 qb6 qb6 or whatever in six point yeah those were seasons without jalen hertz and joe burrow and justin herbert um i i i think you have to account for at least a little bit of risk that he doesn't just bounce back to what he was now three years ago. So I don't think it would be prudent to rank him exactly or draft him exactly where he was finishing in the past. I don't have much reason to hope that he's going to be better

than he was in Houston. You said it was a run-heavy offense in Houston, but there have been few play callers more run-heavy than Kevin Stefanski in the NFL. So I think if the upside's QB5 and the downside is the worst quarterback in the NFL, which is what we saw last year, I think that we should probably rank him somewhere around QB10 or 12. So my case for loving Deshaun Watson, and I think

Heath is right. When you look at it from the 30,000 foot view, there's so much more risk than we're probably signing Adam and getting so excited about him. Why is he right about that? I, I think he's dead wrong about him. His downside being the worst quarterback in football.

His downside is not what we saw last year. His downside is probably QB 12. Cause he's going to rush for 500 yards. His floor is higher. His floor is higher than what we saw from him last year. A hundred percent. I believe that. I think so too.

I believe that wholeheartedly. Yes. But I think one thing that I'm focusing on here, which is why I'm very excited about him is I think we will see a lot. And this is not going to be baked in the projections. It's not going to be, it's going to be a little bit of guesswork, but I think we're going to see a completely different style of offense with the Browns moving forward.

Despite what Kevin Stefanski's tendencies would have been, despite what really he is at his core, everything I've read behind the scenes there is ever since new management took over, they were very analytics driven and analytics heavy. And they believe that to win in the NFL, you have to throw the football X amount of times, every game X amount of times over the course of a year.

And I think we're finally, and we've seen that bear out all the moves they made this massive deal for Deshaun Watson, then trading for Eli Moore, re-signing David and Joku trading for Mark Cooper. And we're going to continue to see that moving forward. And you saw it even on their defense where they didn't sign any interior defensive lineman last year.

And they're the worst run defense in the NFL. They don't really believe in running the football and stopping the run. It makes no sense right now because that's all we've seen them do under Stefanski. But I think we're going to see the change. And this is here to buy into it before it happens. Full offseason for Deshaun Jackson. I'm sorry, Deshaun Watson to work with his. We were talking about Deshaun Jackson earlier.

Full offseason for Watson to work with his receivers. Get on the same rapport with Eli Moore. He's already built a rapport with Cooper. He has the same weapons coming back outside of Moore. Offensive line, not what it used to be, but it's transitioning to a pass-first offensive line, I think. And I'm with you, Adam. I think where we're getting the value here

is that there's going to be a lot more volume than there was last year and than there was in Houston as well. So that's where I see the upside there with Watson. Yeah. Only thing I disagree with you, Dan, is they did sign Dalvin Tomlinson to stop the run. Right. Yeah, they did this offseason sign Tomlinson.

That's correct. But I agree. I think they're going to be more pass heavy. They actually, last year, they ran a lot more plays than they had in previous seasons. They ranked seventh in plays. And they still were fifth in rush attempts, but they were somewhere around 20th i

think in pass attempts uh which is fine you just don't want them to be 28th well yeah um the question is can you count on the i believe it was a 62 play spike from the year before like the year before they were a slow offense in terms of the number of offensive plays they ran the only reason they were 20th and not 28 in terms of pass attempts last year not maybe not the only reason but one of the major reasons was that they ran 1116 plays 53 more plays than anybody else they still threw the ball on less than half of those offensive plays right but dan and i think they will be more pass-heavy. That's the thing.

It's all projection-based. And it's hard because if you're going to look back, and you can because Stefanski is still there, you're not going to get good numbers for projections on Watson or this entire pass offense. I just think we could see a completely different outlook on how they approach offense at this point. I think that's possible. I do expect them to throw more.

I have a hard time going from I think the highest 17-game pace was last year for Stefanski at 540 pass attempts. I could maybe get to 560, 570. Maybe it's just a completely different offense, though.

Those are the things that I often miss. In Watson's last season in Houston, he led the NFL in passing yards, over 4,900 yards, I believe, around there. They were 31st in play. No, they were 32nd. They ran the fewest plays in football. They were 23rd in pass attempts.

But they threw more passes. Deshaun Watson threw more passes in 16 games that season than any Kevin Stefanski offense has ever thrown in a season. Really? 544 pass attempts in that 16-game season last year. I believe the Browns threw 540 last year, and that was Stefanski's high. To be fair on that, though,

Stefanski hasn't had a quarterback with the caliber as a thrower of Watson at any point in his career as a coach, really. I think he throws more. Do you think Deshaun Watson can be as good of a player with Cleveland as he was with Houston? If I had a concern about that, it would be that Amari Cooper's going to be 29 years old.

I think Will Fuller was a terrific player. So the year he didn't have Watson, you had Fuller and Cooks. Does he have the weaponry, I guess, to be as good of a quarterback as he was with the Texans, now with the Browns in 2023? I think so. I don't think Amari Cooper showed any signs of dropping off last year. with the Texans now with the Browns in 2023. I think so.

I don't think Amari Cooper showed any signs of dropping off last year. I know he's 29, which is not entirely old. And I, and I, Eli Moore is a top 20 overall prospect in the 21, 21 class. I know it's been Rocky for him with the jets, but I think it's mostly just bad quarterback play and not enough balls going

in his direction. If we're expecting to see a different style of offensive Cleveland past first pass heavy, he could become a, I think he could become a big feature too. He's another player who I'm expecting to see a different style of offense in Cleveland, pass first, pass heavy, I think he could become a big feature, too. He's another player who I'm going to be drafting a lot of for sure. So he had 27-year-old Brandon Cooks. I think that's a fair comparison to 29-year-old Amari Cooper. But he also had Will Fuller.

Right. Eli Moore. Big drop-off there, you think, Adam? I don't know. Look, I don't know. I mean, maybe Fuller's not that good, and Deshaun Watson is just what made him good. I don't know.

But Will Fuller had a terrific year. There might have been something else that helped Will Fuller. Yeah. All right. All right, let's go to our next one. Stirring the pot, number two. Probably a better way to say that. I got to be careful with when I say number two.

The second stirring the pot. Especially with me sitting here on the podcast. Stirring the pot brought to you by Dan's studio. Jamar Chase should so clearly be the number one pick in Dynasty drafts that it makes me absolutely sick when he isn't picked first. Oh, no. Heath left. Oh, Heath is back.

We lost Heath. We got him back. Oh, I left. oh no heath left oh he lost heath we got him back okay oh i left uh he got so he got so heated from your from your stirring the pot comment about jamar well i did just go to heath's dynasty page and he has justin jefferson number one but jamar chase in dynasty should definitely be the number one overall pick because he is tied to joe burrow i mean he's going to be with joe burrow um you know i can't guarantee that, but I think he'll be with Joe Burrow for

a while, whereas Kirk Cousins, it seems like there's a good chance this is his last year in Minnesota. Plus, he's Jamar Chase. He's younger than Justin Jefferson. He might be better than Justin Jefferson. This is a no-brainer, Heath. I think the only funny thing is your

stirring-the-pot hot takes are actually better than your normal takes. Now, what's wrong with this one is the idea that there should be no debate. I don't think when you have Justin Jefferson entering his age 24 season and what he has done the last couple of years that you can say he's not in the conversation to be the number one overall pick in dynasty. That's absurd to say that you prefer Jamar Chase over Justin Jefferson. I don't have any problem with that at all. I do a thing on my trade chart where I put the value of the players. Um, and I always make the top player for the purposes of the trade chart worth 50 points. And then everything else is dependent upon that. I have Justin Jefferson worth 50 points. I have Jamar Chase worth 49.5. The third most valuable player in the trade chart

is CeeDee Lamb, who is at 39.8. There might be two tiers between Jefferson and Chase and everybody else in terms of dynasty value. If you're in a startup, you should overpay to get one of those first two picks. Those are the clear top two guys. We saw in bits and pieces last year Chase show the ability to earn targets like Jefferson does. But a lot of that happened during these mystery T t higgins games that don't get counted in the azure stats no they oh they absolutely get counted i'm all about those so you count them for jamar chase but you don't count them against t higgins i i count them no i count them in both

respects i count them against jamar chase um okay t higgins's see. Yeah. In those three games where T Higgins mysteriously left, Jamar Chase had 16 targets, 12 targets and 15 targets. In his other eight games, he had 80 targets. So only 10 targets per game because Jamar Chase missed some time. He played 11 games. So he played eight games without T Higgins leaving early, like very early. And he averaged 10 targets a game. So pretty good problem I have. And Dan kind of made a veiled reference to the, the, the cheap bingles.

They've, they've got a great, great setup right now. I kind of find it hard to believe that we're not going to have some drama in either the Joe Burrow negotiations or the Jamar Chase negotiations. I'm not as confident that you are, that these two are going to live happily ever after in Cincinnati. I think things have changed a bit. The Bengals have that reputation and it's fair. They let a lot of their great offensive linemen walk throughout the years, Kevin Sightler, Andrew Whitworth, other players, but things have changed a bit on that front. I think as the owner's getting a little bit older and he realizes he's now in that window with Burrow, they spent a good amount of free agency the past couple off seasons, especially this off season, the last one to really

rebuild big pieces on that offensive line. So I think that's going to change a little bit, Heath, as far as now that they have Burrow. To counter this argument, I would say this, Adam. In Dynasty, I was big on what you were doing for a while in my previous leagues. I was trying to get the receivers who were tied to the quarterbacks who I think are going to be great players for fantasy. In past Dynasty leagues, I drafted Tyreek Hill. I drafted Devontae Adams with a lot of my budget in salary cap auctions. And then right away, almost within a year, they were traded to different teams. And yet they still remained incredible fantasy options, both Hill and Devante

Adams last year. So I think you can really bet on the talent more so than the, what quarterback they're playing with. And so if you really feel like Justin Jefferson based on his profile has more upside as a receiver and a fantasy option, I still think it's fair to rank him above chase, despite him having the uncertain quarterback situation because the talent will win out. And I know look to it was playing pretty well and car i guess was playing pretty well but those guys aren't crazy good quarterbacks so if justin jefferson has to have a new quarterback at some point i'm not so sure it's going to kill his fantasy value no it's certainly not going to kill his fantasy value a couple things to finish this topic out uh first of all heath don't ever question the integrity of the azure stats they

are non-biased stats, okay? And number two. No, no, I just want to see them listed out in a form. Okay. I agree. I think the whole team, yeah, we'd like to see them listed out at some point.

Maybe start like a Google Word, a Google Sheet, or a Google Doc, and just start. Whenever it comes in mind, whenever you're just hanging out, just put them in there. I don't even know

who the top 12 running backs in 2022 were. I don't either, who the top 12 running backs in 2022 were. I don't either. But God, I really you're right. I should do that. I'm just being lazy. There's no excuse. I have to I have to azer stat the running back stats. OK, the other thing I was going to say is, of course, there's room for debate. But if I allowed for any debate, then I wouldn't be stirring the pot. So I have to stay true to this segment. We'll take a break. I got one more for you. Talk about the Chiefs when we come back on Fantasy Football today. Then I will tell you about an awesome podcast that I went on last week.

I just want to tell you the topic. You're going to love it. And it's publishing, I think, pretty soon, right after the Masters. And then we'll read your emails, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. We'll be right back after a quick break. All right, welcome back. And here's our last stirring the pot statement. I mean, think about the Chiefs offseason.

Juju gone. Hardman gone. Nobody's replaced them. So, stirring the pot. No wide receiver has more potential to rise in ADP than insert your favorite Chiefs wide receiver here. Heath? Oh, you're muted. You're muted, Heath.

I feel like both Tony and Moore are being drafted ahead of where I am comfortable taking them already. And so that might be true. But what can Kadarius Tony do over the next, like you said, in ADP? So we're talking about the next five months. What can he do to prove that he can be a full-time football player? What can he do to prove that he knows enough of the offense to stay on the field or has hamstrings that will allow him to stay on the field? I don't know what could, like,

I guess we're just saying the chiefs don't draft a wide receiver. I see no reason in the chiefs recent past to fear any wide receiver they draft. They've not done a great job of drafting wide receivers. And it's really, really hard, as Sky Moore and Kadarius Toney showed us last year, to get on the field and produce in your first year in Andy Reid's offense. So I think that you're just like, however early you're willing to take that lottery ticket chance and maybe be cheering for a Travis Kelsey injury. Cause it might be the only way any of these guys are starting fantasy wide receivers. For me,

I think he nailed it. The fact that look, not only is that Andy Reed offense stuff to pick up in year one, they've proven that coaching staff there don't care. They're not going to play you in year one, just to play you like a lot of coaches will do. Sky Moore did not play much last season, despite the fact that they had injuries at wide receiver and they didn't

really get much production out of players like MBS, who I thought was one of the worst guys running that amount of routes in the NFL. So as far as which receiver can jump in ADP, Adam, for me, it's Sky Moore for sure. Like he said,

there's no possible way that people are going to start thinking Kadarius Toney can stay on the field. So that won't really change much despite what you might see at a camp. But Sky Moore, wow, we could see some really good blurbs in training camp and different things that will get people excited about Moore because people were really excited about him as a sleeper last year. So not much on that front they can still add to that excitement. So I think Moore will be the guy whose ADP goes crazy this offseason.

And like Heath said, I don't know if I'm going to be buying in. I, yeah, I, I, I think I'd rather draft Sky Moore at his current cost than Tony. I would definitely rather draft Sky Moore. I have no interest in good areas, Tony. So, yeah, I think you're being a little, a little, it's not even being heard. You are,

you outline the entire case. If he can't get on the field, cause he doesn't know the playbook. And now he's, that's happened for two teams, right? Well, no,

I had no expert. I was very skeptical when the trade happened. I had no expectation that he would learn the chiefs playbook in half. But did, did Odell Beckham pick up the Rams playbook? Odell Beckham picked it up like that with the Rams when he got traded there two years ago. Yeah, I think we're speculating about how much someone picked up the playbook, by the way. We don't know by how many.

No, it's not speculation. If he's not on the field for a full compliment, if he's only in the field for a few snaps and they're all design touches like they were with the Giants, that's that doesn't mean not. No, that doesn't. No, it doesn't mean that at all. And then you have to say the same thing about Sky Moore. Why? Sky Moore didn't have design touches when he was on the field. He ran more of a full route tree. I don't know.

When Kadarius Tony was on the field, they decided to use him. I did not like the speculation that Kadarius Tony did not know the Giants playbook after a full offseason. So I kind of agree with you there, Adam. I don't think Sky Moore or Kadarius Tony knew enough of the offense to play last year. So I agree with you there, Adam. I don't think Sky Moore or Kadarius Toney knew enough of the offense to play last year. So I agree with you there as well. I think they both had the same problem. I don't know that it's more likely.

The only reason I said I like Moore more at his cost was because I think he's significantly cheaper. I view them very similarly. I can tell you without speculation that Kadarius Toney ran the wrong route in the second game of the Giants season was benched for David Sills. So I don't really know why any coaches have. We consider Brian Dable a smart coach, do we not, Heath? So he's putting David Sills on the field.

I am certain he's a good offensive coordinator. Running the wrong route. I'm reserving judgment on him. And yet he's putting David Sills, who's not an NFL caliber talent, on the field for 97% of the snap. Well, I think it was a statement to make. Or maybe it's the guy who runs the wrong route gets an offensive pass interference on the first look. Look, I got to just say, when you say that someone doesn't know the playbook, I think it's a fairly serious allegation to throw at someone. It sort of implies a lot.

And maybe you were not trying to, but it does. And I don't, I'm not going to say that anyone doesn't know the playbook unless I know that they don't know the playbook. And I think you will get

a better version of Kadarius Toney. As I said this, like, you go to a team like the Giants, which had been one of the worst, you know, the Giants and the Jets were the worst teams in football

for the last five years before this year. You know, they got a new coach. I could understand a player being hesitant to buy in. You go to the Chiefs, you're buying in, right? You're going to buy in or you're going to be out. So I think Tony could rise a lot in drafts. And I will say in terms of the injuries,

it's just a philosophy thing. I don't know where I'm going to come out on that. I mean, he has a lot of soft tissue injuries and it's just a philosophy thing. I don't know where I'm going to come out on that. I mean, he gets a lot of soft tissue injuries and it's concerning, but Christian, what did Christian McCaffrey, Miles Sanders and Dalvin cook have in common? They played 17 games last year. Would anybody have ever expected that for McCaffrey,

Miles Sanders and Dalvin cook? So you just never know. All right, guys, let me get to the email. Go ahead. Can I do my, my breaking news, but maybe not news thing that I used to do because of tweets?

Remember, we used to have music, Heath. We used to have like breaking... People used to call it breaking porn news. Breaking news. Yeah. What do we got? John Lynch says Brock Purdy, Trey Lance, and Sam Darnold will all compete for the 49ers starting QB job. But Purdy, when healthy, is the leader in the clubhouse.

Ooh, sexy. All right, let's save that for tomorrow, boys and girls. Oh, it's not over. Okay, anyway. It sounded like it was over. Ready for emails? Okay, but Dan, you have got to listen to the podcast I went on last week.

It's going to air after the Masters. Okay. Pat Mayo hosted it. Sian Najad is the mastermind, I think. Well, he did the bracket. And he had me on to talk about one of the regions. It's a 64-team tournament of TV shows. Oh, that's great.

Oh, it was so much fun. And Sia made the entire bracket. I broke down a region that had... Shields? No, it was all sitcoms. Sorry, sitcoms. Okay. With animated in there as well.

The region I had had Modern Family as the one seed. So good. Fresh Prince as the two. Simpsons as the three. And I don't remember what the four was. I remember what the five was. So you were heavy Simpsons. So you had Simpsons coming out of that region.

So I'm not going to spoil it because I had a lot of different criteria. The criteria I used were, one, how much do I like the show? That's an obvious one. Two, cultural impact and influence. Number three was, would both me and my parents like the show? Because I didn't want to sit there and just do my favorites. I wanted to give credit to the shows that had mass appeal. That was a big deal for me. You have a question about that, Eve?

Yes, yes. I have a question of measuring mass appeal by going outside of yourself to the people who raised you. No, but they're so different than me. I was thinking the same thing. No, I mean our generations. How popular is this show yourself to the people who raised you. But they're so different than me. No, I mean our generations. How popular is this show

inside the smallest bubble I can make around myself? Because what I did was comparing The Simpsons, which I like better than Modern Family, but my parents would never watch that. And most people my parents' age wouldn't watch The Simpsons, whereas Modern Family,

we could all sit down, watch it, and crack up. And I think you've got to score some points in Modern Family's favor for that. Was that enough for Modern Family to win the region? I don't know. You'll have to find out. I'll give you all info on that. It was a lot of fun. When it comes out, it was a really fun debate.

And I think anyone who watches TV would really enjoy it. I'm excited for it. All right. Let me read some emails, fantasy football at cbsi.com. And I only picked emails that I thought both me and my parents would want to hear about on today's show. So, uh, this is from, Oh God, I hate when I don't put the name of the emailer in there. And when I do it for the first emailer, that's even worse. So I don't know the name. It seems like such an easy problem to fix. Well, they don't put it in the email. So then I have to put it in myself. It's from Travis. Okay. Hey, Ray, Egon, Winston, and Peter. You know that one, Dan? Ray, what's the second one? Egon, Winston, and Peter. Are you kidding me?

I think I do. I think I do. Of course you do. New Girl. What? No, no, it's not. But I like that because the Winston call. And New Girl is what I was thinking too.

That was literally all I thought. Schaefer, please put these idiots in their place. This is insane. I might be an idiot, but is it Ghostbusters? Of course it's Ghostbusters. I've never seen Ghostbusters. Of course I've never seen that movie. Adam, I haven't seen any movies.

I've never seen that movie. Keith Egon? You couldn't get Egon? What is this? All right. You know what I saw, though? I didn't love Ghostbusters. Like the original?

Yeah. Ghostbusters 2 is better. Never seen it. No interest. Yeah, I mean, it's fine. It's great. Not stand out for me. Ghostbusters is great.

Rick Moranis is so funny in that. 12-team half PPR Dynasty League. I just traded A.J. Brown, Cortland Sutton, and pick 2-11. A.J. Brown, Cortland Sutton, and 2-11 for Jerry Judy, Javante Williams, and 2.2. I don't like that at all. It's interesting. Yeah, it's a big difference.

I mean, you gave up by far the best player in the deal, and I don't think you got back enough to make up for it. So I'm going to give you a D+. Especially if we're starting to see complications already from the Javante Williams injury. It's not just a clean ACL, especially if we're starting to see complications already from the Chavante Williams injury. It's not just the clean ACL, which, you know, some athletes have some, some have the MCL damage with it. PCL that scares me a lot with him as a, as your big asset coming back. Cause I think he is the best asset that's returned in the trade over. I think he's a better asset probably than

Jerry Judy. Uh, but yeah, you're given a Bay J Brown in that too. You're not getting much more draft capital to two verse two 11. So yeah, I don't like it. Yeah. I think it's probably not going to be a good trade. However, I'm not going to do it now. Show's gone long, but at some point, I mean, if you want some numbers about Jerry Judy to make you buy into a breakout, I can make a really good Jerry Judy breakout case to

the point where he might be just as good as A.J. Brown if everything goes right. But that'll be a topic for another show. From Trevor, from the oldest city in the U.S. Virginia? Somewhere in Virginia? St. Augustine. Yes. No.

What? 1565. St. Augustine, really the oldest city. You were thinking about Jamestown. This is two years older than Jamestown. Wow. Interesting. St. Augustine, Florida.

Just drove past the sign that proclaims it like 18 hours ago. That's cool. Good morning, Barry, Dion, Miles, and Emmanuel. All Sanders. Mm-hmm. Deion Miles and Emmanuel Paul Sanders mm-hmm this will be our first season that our 12 team

PPR league will be doing keepers and we agreed before the draft rules for keepers keep a player at the round you drafted them

or the round whomever traded them to you drafted them and or keep the player you pick up off the waiver wire for your last round pick

all right so those are the is this a fantasy cops? Okay. Well, week 16 rolls around and I have been eliminated from the playoffs, but I looked on the waiver wire and I picked up Ridley,

Brees Hall, Kyle Pitts and Javante Williams. Is it fair for me to use any of these as my keepers for next year as my last round pick? Some in the league are upset but we agreed at the beginning of the season on the rules and they were pinned to the message board. It's a big money

buy-in, so does that matter? Yeah, fantasy cops. Do you want to go first, Dan dan or would you like me to you can go heath okay um first off you did a bad job not clarifying whether players picked up during the playoffs count for keeper purposes and now you have to make that decision after one person has already gained an advantage which is the worst time to be making a decision. So when you change to a keeper league, you must determine it. But what I will say is if you're allowing people in the playoffs to pick up players and keep them, then you must allow people not in the playoffs to pick up players and then keep them. My solution for my keeper league is

players picked up in the playoffs cannot be kept. So that way there's no benefit to someone still in the playoffs and you don't have guys not in the playoffs picking up players. So I think the best rule is after the regular season ends, nobody can pick up a player that they're going to keep. But if you did not have that rule in place and teams in the playoffs were allowed to pick players up and potentially keep them then you should get to keep these players well you can only keep one i think the only keep one helps a lot in this situation but i'm going to come out and say look we all make mistakes in our lives i'm a shining example of that and plenty of things that i do but this is just that this is just a really poorly constructed keeper league. We're talking about a big buy-in as referenced in the email.

And yet there's really wishy-washy, horrible keeper rules here. So for my league, we had a lot of issues with this. I'm so mad right now. We made it week 12. Why? Because you guys are too mean to these people. But I mean, you're talking about a big buy-in. He didn't say he's the commish.

You're letting people just scoop off. This is their first year. This is their first year doing keepers. I mean, they ran into a problem that they did not foresee. But you can do some research online to find good keeper rules. It's not impossible to find. Even if you don't have anything to work off of, you can find good keeper rules.

You don't need to be letting people scoop off Brees Halls on the waiver wire in Week 16 to ruin the next season. We have a week 12 rule in our league because we had a similar issue earlier in my big keeper league at home. And I think week 12 is actually a really good cutoff for keepers off the waiver wire. When you say you had an issue and you have a week 12 rule, did you have the issue first and then you instituted the week 12 rule? We did have the issue first. Oh, is that right? Is that right?

This is what happens, you know? I get it. It's not easy to foresee every scenario. Not everyone covers fantasy football for a living. So what I don't think personally that you should be able to keep these guys for a last round pick. I think you should come up with some type of compromise. Can we make it an eighth round pick or something like that?

Because, you know, you didn't do anything wrong, but it does really tilt the scales in your favor if you can keep Brees Hall for a last round pick. And obviously, with all those guys on the waiver wire, people didn't realize that they could do that. So I think you should try to come up with some type of compromise. No. You know, which is a made up

thing. Osprey Tacos is right next to Old Coast Ales. I could just sit on that patio and go back from the tacos to the ales to the tacos to the ales. Love for your Saturday. Another thing we can throw out there is, which our league implemented, as this is important I think it can help. You shouldn't allow

people to pick up our players as keepers. That's something we implemented. It's not, there's no, because people are going to have to drop these players to improve their roster for that year. And so Brees Hall, a player who has no chance to return for that season, shouldn't be allowed to be picked up as a keeper.

Okay, but what's done is done. So Nick in Baltimore wants to know, after the Bears made the trade giving up getting DJ Moore, should the Bears take Bijon Robinson at nine? Whoa, this is going a bit beyond the fantasy football podcast. If you're asking about running back value in drafts, I don't think the Bears should take Dijon Robinson

at pick nine. I think it would be one of the easiest ways to make it even harder for Justin Fields to realize his potential personally. No, I don't think they should. I am open to the possibility that a contender should spend a first-round pick on Bijan Robinson because I think he's really, really good. And really, really good running backs could be the difference

in that final thing that you need. So I'm not quite as anti-Bijon in the first round as a lot of people, but a team like the Bears should not be doing it. All right, one more question here from Luke. From a Texas town with lots of Bears. Baylor. Boom!

Nice. No, that's not right. That can't be right. It's got to be right. It's a good guess, though. Yeah. What scenario could result in Jameer gibbs being taken above bijan robinson in redraft it's a good question where can bijan go where he's not going to be the number one

oh not be the number one dallas i don't even want to think about this because it gives me such terrible flashbacks to Clyde Edwards and Taylor. We did this almost exact thing and I do not want to do it again, but it's not hard to come up with multiple scenarios. The Cowboys draft Bijon to play with Pollard and Gibbs

goes around earlier to the Chiefs. Around later? No. Earlier? Yeah. with Pollard. Right. And Gibbs goes around earlier to the Chiefs. Right. Around later. No. Earlier. Yeah. Okay. Well, Gibbs before Bichon

in the draft. Nobody thought freaking Clyde Edwards-Hilaire was going before Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, but that's true. But I think Bichon was a little bit different

level prospect than Taylor and Taylor was a good prospect. Why did the Chiefs? People think Bichon is a better prospect than Clyde, isn't he? Gibbs is definitely a better prospect than Clyde. Taylor was a good prospect. Why did the Chiefs... I think Gibbs is a better prospect than Clyde, isn't he? Gibbs is definitely a better prospect than Clyde, yeah. I think Clyde is RB6

in that class before. Yeah, I don't know what happened with Clyde. The Chiefs kind of overrated him. Mahomes was watching his tape and texted them and said, you guys should get this guy. Yeah, and then they never threw to him, so it didn't make any sense. Alright, thanks everybody. Good show today.

I got to give a lot of credit to Dan Schneier. We started at 11 o'clock. I texted him at 10.50. I called him at 10.55 and I was like, I forgot about you. Would you like to come

on the show today? And he's like, okay, I won't do my hair. No problem. I won't do my hair. It's already looking better than yours with no... You didn't do your hair.

It's the worst hair that you've ever had. So I hope it doesn't look better than mine. We'll talk to you all on Wednesday with another edition of Fantasy for Puppies.