Fantasy Football Today - Live Mock Draft! 0.5 PPR (07/21 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 21, 2023

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It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races! And he stays on his feet! He's just gotta go the distance! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Happy Friday, everybody! Welcome to Fantasy Football Today. Adam, Dave, and Dan.

We've got ADD on Fantasy Football Today. How about that? No, Dave's not feeling that joke. All right, so we welcome you. We have a live mock draft that's about to start. Our audience members are in. We've got 12 audience members, listeners, and viewers. We're not participating in this.

We're just critiquing. And to those of you that are in the draft, hang on a second. We're going to run through the news and notes real quick. You want to send us an email. I do have to make time for a mailbag, hopefully soon. Fantasyfootball at cbsi.com. And also leave us a five-star review on Apple Podcasts with a question. It will likely get read on the show. All right, we'll start with the Jordan Addison news. He went 140 miles per hour in a 55-mile-per-hour zone. That is crazy, dude. Dave, any concerns? Do you think this could lead to anything, any suspension or anything like that? I don't think it leads to a suspension.

I just think it leads to him hearing about it, minor distraction for the team for the next week, and their coaches are going to make it a real point to try and get him to be a lot safer and to make better decisions in his life that's it i don't think it really i don't think this does anything for his fantasy value i want to see him healthy he missed part of minicamp isaiah pacheco says he's going to be ready for week one he had surgeries on his hand and shoulders during the offseason. He played most of the season with a shoulder injury.

He broke his hand in the playoffs. So he did get banged up. He's a physical guy. And also the Athletics says Pacheco is going to be the starter. He's going to have a bigger workload this year. He wants to be more reliable in the passing game. Let's see where Pacheco goes in today's draft. And great news.

If you know Zach Brooke, one of our producers, he was dancing in the streets yesterday because the Commanders were sold from Dan Snyder, not Dan Schneier, to Josh Harris. So it's a good day for the Commanders franchise. And a good day for me because at least once a year, typically twice a year, I'll get an angry DM or an angry Twitter message of somebody who just wailing off on me thinking that I'm Dan Snyder, even though the last names aren't spelled anything close to

each other. So that may stop because he may not be in the news anymore and I won't have to be mistaken for him. And sadly, he's not the only one I'm mistaken for. Unfortunately, there's another Dan Snyder with a D. I have no D. And that guy is some creep that used to run Nickelodeon TV shows and just a horrible human being. And I've seen a lot of now what he's done because people have confused me for him. Just like, click the profile pic.

I write about football and the Giants. I am not either of these people. So he says, folks. So he says. By the way, it's Dan, Adam adam and dave we are your fantasy dad today is that better 80d was better okay good all right so we just get to the damn mock draft please the mock draft has begun and look at that we have an auto draft already that is unbelievable uh the second pick so come on everybody i gave you like one order. You gotta be ready for the draft here.

Um, so I'm just going to back that out and hopefully give this guy another 30 seconds. But the first pick was Justin Jefferson. So let's go through the format here. Now, a lot of our drafts are three wide receiver leagues, but Dave has told me in the past that the,

still the majority of fantasy leagues, I hope this is still true. Dave are two, it's still true. Two running backs, I hope this is still true, Dave, are two running backs, two receivers, and a flex, right? You can always tell who plans the mock draft on our shows and on our site. If it's three wide receivers, it's Jamie. If it's two wide receivers, it's either me or Adam or Heath.

I don't think Heath has done any three wide receiver mocks. I'm not sure, but the majority of fantasy leagues have two running backs, two wide receivers, one tight end and one flex. But we've been making inroads on trying to get people to use two flexes because it's more fun. You get to start more players,

takes away one tough lineup decision from everybody each week. Well, that's true until those bi-weekend injuries start racking up then it makes it even tougher all right so anyway um justin jefferson was the first pick austin eckler was the second pick oh give me a break people i am getting really annoyed right now two auto picks in the first three picks. Let's go. Come on. We're better than this. So I'm going to put 30 seconds back on the clock and this, you know,

oops. All right. Here we go. Eckler is going to be the second pick. We got Jefferson Eckler. And now we've got third biggest Kelsey, according to the chat room. Kelsey. All right. I'll select Kelsey. Good. All right. I'll select Kelsey. Good.

All right. Good. That's spicy. All right. Anyway, we're off and running here. So, yeah. One quarterback, two running backs, two receivers, tight end, flex, six bench spots. We have a 13-round draft, and it is half PPR. Jamar Chase, Christian McCaffrey.

Let's see when Bijan Robinson gets taken. Let's see when Cooper Cupp gets taken. So far, the first five are the typical five in some order. Alright, Bijan Robinson goes six. Cooper Cup still on the board. Did I mention it's half PPR? It is half PPR.

You did. Okay. Did I mention it's two receipts? Just kidding. Alright, this is where it gets interesting here. Alright? I think Cup will probably be next. We'll see. We got 12 seconds. Who would you take at seven? Cup's still on the board, Dan.

No, I would take Cup in this spot. Actually, you know what? I would take Tyreek Hill. Okay. Dave, who would you take? I would take Cup over Hill, but if Saquon Barkley shows up to Giants camp, I'm taking him over both.

Look at the team name of team seven who took Cup. Oil of Olave. Great team name. Tyreek Hill. So still, just two running backs off the board.

Eight picks in. This is fantasy football. What is happening here? Different kind of year. What do you mean, what's happening here? It's just a different year. I mean,

only two running backs off the board. It is weird that our consensus won this year as a receiver. I can't remember that's ever happened during my time. Oh, three running backs. I'm sorry. I forget. Eckler, won this year as a receiver. I can't remember that's ever happened. Oh, three running backs. I'm sorry. I forget.

Eckler, McCaffrey, Bijan, but still it's wide receiver heavy so far. So first of all, I think those are going to be the first three running backs that come off the board in the majority of leagues. Second of all, in PPR, this is going to be normal this year. You're going to see wide receivers coming off the board much sooner than before.

And it's because for the last two seasons, the elite wide receivers coming off the board much sooner than before. And it's because for the last two seasons, the elite wide receivers, the ones that have produced like top 12 on a per game basis have been better than the running backs. They're getting more targets. They're catching more passes and they're, they're, they're dominating in PPR. It'll be the exact opposite. If we were to do a non PPR draft, I think it's a big mistake to take wide receivers early in round one. I think you've got to go to take wide receivers early in round one. I think you've got to go after the running backs there because all those catches, those 90 and 100 catches that these wide outs are expected to get,

they're not going to count for diddly-poo. So you've got to go with the running backs instead if it's non-PPR. This is half PPR. In full PPR, I'd expect the exact same thing. I'm totally fine with how things are right now in half PPR with this draft. Let's catch everybody up here because after Cup, you know, then it gets maybe a little bit more interesting. Tyreek Hill went eighth. All right, Jonathan Taylor, nine.

Stefan Diggs, 10. Lamb, 11. So Barkley falls a little bit to 12, but Taylor going ahead of Barkley in this draft. Devontae Adams, 13. AJ Brown, 14. Nick Chubb, 15. Jalen Waddell, 16.

So, yeah, anything after Tyreek Hill went eighth, we had Taylor, then Diggs, then Lamb. Barkley, Adams, AJ Brown, Nick Chubb, Jalen Waddell. Does C.D. Lamb deserve to be a first-round pick? I'll tell you what. I would take C.D. Lamb over Jonathan Taylor. I'd take a handful of these guys over Jonathan Taylor. I'm a Badgers fan, but I don't really see the path for Jonathan Taylor this year in a PPR league.

It's a half PPR, so it's a little bit better. But in any version of PPR here, I'm very worried about Jonathan Taylor's fantasy upside this year. I don't really see a role growing in the passing game. I think it's going to regress with Anthony Richardson. I'm worried about Richardson stealing red zone touches. And I'm worried about the offensive line. And all that combines to the point where I'm just looking at a guy with great talent, bad situation. Those are not typically the running backs I invest in, especially not first round picks.

Are you worried, Dan, about C.D. Lamb being as utilized? Because everything that we're pointing to in Dallas is they're going to take it slower. The pace is going to be slower. Mike McCarthy wants the defense to get a little bit more rest. Maybe they run it a little bit more. Kind of surprised that Tony Pollard wasn't picked already in this mock. I would take Pollard ahead of CeeDee Lamb. And I would take Taylor ahead of Lamb too, just because I think that his upside is higher than Lamb's upside.

I think they both have some warts that fantasy managers kind of have to understand, but Taylor could still see a lot of carries and could still see a good amount of touchdowns. Wouldn't surprise me if he finished the year with 10, maybe even 11 or 12 total. I don't think he's getting to, you know,

40 catches or anything remotely close to that with Anthony Richardson there. And I don't think he's getting 15 touchdowns with Richardson there, but I still think he's too talented of a running back. And an offense that has proven to lean on its players who are truly unique. We've seen that in Philadelphia when Shane Steichen was there, did the same thing in LA with the Chargers. I can't believe I almost said San Diego. Man, I'm old. Bottom line, I think Taylor's got upside that's better than CeeDee Lamb.

I can understand that. I'm not as typically high on Lamb either. I have my concerns about Taylor. I shared them. Ten touchdowns, it's possible, Dave. I feel like if he hits that high range of outcomes, it means that Anthony Richardson is moving the football consistently. That's the part that concerns me the most with Taylor.

It's mostly just that offense. Cause the expectation is it was rock bottom last year with that offense. And that's partly why Taylor became almost unusable in fantasy. It felt like I had him on one roster, but I just not so sure that won't be the case again this year. And that's what scares me the most. And I, and I would counter that by saying,

I think the run game is the one thing they've got that will keep defenses unbalanced and struggling. And maybe that was hammer it with Taylor. They can use Richardson. I think there are P on read. I think there are POS can be pretty dangerous. I'm not asking too much of Richardson as a rookie. And I may be putting too much weight into the offensive line,

but that's where my concerns start. I feel like it's an aging offensive line only going in the wrong direction. Okay, so let's catch people up here because, you know, we've talked a lot about the possibility of Josh Jacobs, Derek Henry, or Tony Pollard making it to the 2-3 turn, which is what we see in average draft position. That did not happen here. Round two was pretty running back heavy.

I do think in a half PPR league, you can certainly make the case for Nick Chubb as a first round pick. He did not go in the first round, but he went 15th overall. No, I'm sorry. Yeah, 15th overall, third pick of round two. So I'm just going to catch everybody up on round two.

I've suspended the draft just for a moment here so we can catch our breath. But it was Devontae Adams at 13, AJ Brown, Nick Chubb, Jalen Waddle, Josh Jacobs,

Derek Henry, Amonra St. Brown, Tony Pollard, Garrett Wilson, Patrick Mahomes to the guy who got Kelsey in round one. Now has Kelsey Mahomes. Chiefs stack.

Ramondre Stevenson and Joe Mixon at 24. Wow. I took Mixon at 26 or something like that. I think this is a good spot for him, especially this draft. The running backs did get pushed up quite a bit. So anyway, Dave, I'm just going to ask you a few questions. I'm going to fire away with some questions, okay?

Rapid fire, baby. Amandra St. Brown over Garrett Wilson in half PPR. Your thoughts? I think Wilson probably has a little bit more upside in half PPR. Might lean Wilson over St. Brown there. Ramondre Stevenson, one pick before Joe Mixon. Your thoughts?

Totally fine with that. I think he, one pick before Joe Mixon. Your thoughts? Totally fine with that. I think he's got more upside than, than Mixon. Dan Mixon or Ramondre? Mixon. Okay. If they, if the Patriots bring in Leonard Fournette,

and I think they will, or someone, because it could just be Kareem Hunt. They're going to bring in someone. They're the Patriots. They've already worked out a bunch of bags. Go ahead. 10 seconds.

Rapid fire. Finish up. Finish up. I just feel like it's going to take away from Steven They're the Patriots. They've already worked out a bunch of backs. Go ahead. Ten seconds. Rapid fire. Finish up. Finish up. I just feel like it's going to take away from Stephenson's value. Okay. Last question to both of you. Ten seconds. Jalen Waddell went before Josh Jacobs and Derek Henry. Your thoughts on that, Dave? Hated it.

Dad? You know, I'm actually with our resident running back, Truther Dave, and I hated it, too. I didn't hate it, but I did appreciate the Dad? You know, I'm actually with our resident running back, Truther Dave, and I hated it too. Okay, I didn't hate it, but I did appreciate the In Living Color reference. All right, the Fly Girls are ready to resume.

Oh, I don't even know what Living Color is. Don't worry about it, buddy. I knew you wouldn't. Round three is underway. Team one has Justin Jefferson and Joe Mixon and maybe Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts. And if you do that, you have to start every player has to have a J in their first or last name, the first letter of the first

or last name. So you got Justin Jefferson or Joe Mixon. Will he go with another J? Let's find out. Michael is on the clock. Michael. I'm real curious to see where Brees Hall goes, Adam, because he's still available. We know that he's on the public. He's not available, Dave. He's gone.

He just went. That's the earliest I've seen Brees Hall go. Now, you're not getting him in 24 more picks. You're not getting him at the end of round four, so you got to shoot your shot there, but that's Jefferson, Mixon, and Brees Hall. Dave, is that too early? No, I'm totally fine with it.

I'm the only one. Usually, I rank players based on what their situation is now, but I'm doing it a little bit differently with Brees Hall. I think he's going to be okay to start the season, and I think it might take three or four weeks for him to really get back into the good graces of fantasy managers, meaning that his stats will perk up. But I think once he's back, he will be back. He will be the guy that we saw dominate for the first six weeks.

Not the first six weeks. His week one was terrible. But after that, six straight weeks of just really great play and dominant fantasy numbers, you have to take the chance on that in early round three. All right. Now I, I would just say,

Dave, there's still the Dalvin cook thing lingering. So right now it does feel a little early to me. You think that's got any legs? I'm not factoring in. I like the depth that they have at running back. I'm surprised that they're even looking at Dalvin Cook when they've got Carter, Zonovan Knight, they drafted a Bannacanda. They would have to, they know their personnel better than I do. They might not be real happy with those guys if they're kicking the tires on Dalvin Cook or and this this would scare me off of Brees Hall.

If they signed Dalvin Cook, it means that Brees Hall might not be ready for the first half of the season, in which case this pick is terrible. But for now, I'm expecting him to be OK and that this is where I would take him right now. You know, who's really falling right now compared to Josh Allen? No, but compared to what I've seen in recent. No, but compared to what I've seen in recent, there he is. Mark Andrews. I haven't seen Mark Andrews fall to the middle of the third in a long time

in our drafts that we've done with our, obviously, with some of the industry people. I can't believe Josh Allen is on the board. This is crazy. I mean, it's a quarterback. Mark Andrews surprised me even more falling this far. I mean, Josh Allen usually goes before Mark Andrews, I think, but let's talk about round three.

Because you do get this run of wide receivers that we expect of Smith, Higgins, and Olave. They're all there. But round three is Brees Hall, Devontae Smith, T. Higgins, Travis Etienne, Jalen Hurts at 29, Mark Andrews at 30, Chris Olave at 31, Amari Cooper at 32, and then Josh Allen at 33. Oh, this team has all the Js. Jonathan Taylor, Jalen Waddell, and Josh Allen. The mad scientist coming through.

That's who's drafting. He got great value on Josh Allen in late round three. There were too many managers in this draft that wanted to wait on quarterback. Jameer Gibbs goes after Josh Allen 34th overall and looking at other running backs who are on the board. Remember half PPR here. There's one running back. He just went Najee absolutely should have gone ahead of Jameer Gibbs.

Okay. Najee, Damian Pierce, Aaron Jones, Alexander Madison, JK Dobbins. they're all on the board I don't think they're going to last another round as we are at the end of round three here all right Jameer Gibbs versus Najee Harris in full people in full PPR Dave who do you take it's Najee because I I think Najee's got a full workload coming his way he's got an outside shot of

averaging 20 touches a game. We didn't see a lot from him catching the ball last year. It doesn't mean that he can't do it. We saw him do it in spurts in his rookie year. I would hope that they go back to him in that role now that he's healthy. Love the way that he finished last year, averaged over 15 PPR points per game. I think his final five games, six games, something like that. But he was healthy to end last year. That Steelers offensive line, it was a weakness before. It is a strength now in a major way. And the second-year quarterback, Kenny Pickett, should make the passing game just a little bit better. His production last year sunk.

I think Najee Harris is one of those running backs that you can target in round three and potentially get first-round numbers from. All right, Dan, I'm going to ask you about round three and just tell me round numbers from. All right, Dan, I'm going to ask you about round three and just tell me if you think there's any really good or really bad pick Brees Hall, Devante Smith, T Higgins, Travis ETN,

Jalen hurts, Mark Andrews, Chris Olave, Amari Cooper, Josh Allen, Jameer Gibbs, Najee Harris, Calvin Ridley.

I mean, it's not going to surprise anyone to hear this, but you asked me the questions. I'll answer it. I don't think Travis at the end of the beginning around three is a good pick. Time will tell, but I don't see the path. And I do like that. He has elite do is doing two things. Elite. He's a lead at forcing missed tackles, but when you draft the tank Bigsby and you have your running back coach go crazy about how much he loved watching the film, he had to reverse it, run it back, run plays over twice. It's like, all right, well, you like him because he's a physical runner.

Who's going to get you those between the tackle runs. That's a role that's going to happen. It's going to be in the red zone for Bigsby. And I think it's going to be some early down stuff too. And that doesn't leave much enough, at least for me for ETN round three, as far as pick, I love, I did really like Mark Andrews in the middle of round three there. I have some concerns about Andrews, but the fact that they have weapons around him now that he hasn't had in the past but i also think one thing that's not being baked into that concern that people have about andrews is that they're also going to throw the ball a lot more than they ever have with thomas so that kind of evens it out yes some targets are going to go away from him but there's gonna be

so many more targets total that mark andrews will be fine because of it may be around the same as what we've seen. And this was a guy who was tight end one, two years ago before having an injured 2022 season. So that was my favorite pick for sure. And guys, we're not sure if Rashad Bateman's at a hundred percent yet. We know that Odell Beckham is practicing. He should be fine, but we aren't sure if he can last whole season. Say flowers is a super exciting rookie receiver.

Dan and I have talked about him ad nauseum on this show. There's no guarantee that any of those three wideouts are going to dominate or command targets the way that Andrews has. So you're getting him at a discount compared to last year because he wasn't as good last year. I think he can get you 13 PPR points per game. That's really good for a tight end in round three. All right, we're going to take a break and come back and we'll talk about round four. We'll pause the draft after round four

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All right, welcome back. We are wrapping up round four here. And DJ Moore is about to get drafted with the 46th overall pick. There's a lot of picks that we have missed, so I will catch you up on them. Miles Sanders. This is round four, starting at pick 37. Miles Sanders, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, D.K. Metcalf, J.K. Dobbins,

Keenan Allen, Jerry Judy, Christian Watson, Aaron Jones, back to pack there, and D.J. Moore. So far, I thought by the time I read that, I thought there'd be more picks, and there haven't been. So let me get this going here as Kip is on the clock, and he takes Debo Samuel. Now, 47th, I don't really take Debo Samuel a lot, but 47th overall in half PPR, that's pretty good.

All right, TJ Hawkinson, the last pick of round four, 48th overall, third tight end off the board. So again, round four is Miles Sanders, two quarterbacks, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, then DK Metcalf, JK Dobbins, Keenan Allen. It's an interesting one in half PPR. Jerry Judy, Christian Watson, Aaron Jones, DJ Moore, Deebo Samuel, and TJ Hawkinson. Let me ask you guys, real quick, how do you rank in half PPR? Metcalf, Keenan Allen, Jerry Judy. Give me your top three. You don't have to rank all of them. Your top three. Metcalf, Keenan Allen, Judy, Christian Watson, DJ Moore, Debo Samuel.

Dave, what's your top three? I'll go with Judy, Allen, and DJ Moore. Okay. Dan, your top three. I'm going to go with Metcalf, Allen, and Debo Samuel. Okay. Both of you had Keenan Allen in there, and that was the only comment. And I worry about Allen because, again, he's a guy who's never top date receiving touchdowns.

It just feels like such a good value to me. And I worry that it's, I'm over inflating what he even was when he was fully healthy. Cause now he's what age 31. He's entering, he's entering that age range. I don't really typically like to invest fantasy assets in, but we're talking fourth rounds.

I've kind of gotten into Keenan Allen this year and I've had more than a few shares. I do worry that I'm, I'm not really baking enough into it that he's limited from an upside standpoint. All right. Let me go from a downside. The downside.

That's what I like about him, Dave. All right. But then again, it's like, guys, I like this quote unquote floor, but then again,

he's 31 with injuries. Please let me get in here, and I just want to move this along. I want to go through all these teams and how they've started and get your thoughts on it, please. Okay. I just want to make sure

we're able to finish this draft or get close to it. Team one, Michael, has Jefferson, Mixon, Brees Hall, and TJ Hawkinson. So far, one wide receiver. He's on the clock as soon as I resume the draft, but it's Jefferson, Mixon, Brees Hall, and TJ Hawkinson. So far, one wide receiver. He's on the clock as soon as I resume the draft,

but it's Jefferson, Mixon, Brees Hall, and TJ Hawkinson. What do you think? Real quick. He's got a shot at Hopkins. He's got a shot at Deontay Johnson, Chris Godwin if he wants him, but those are the names.

Terry McLaurin. Those are the top four receivers left on my board, and it gets a little worse after that. So this is where he needs to go and get one of those wide outs it's a nice hero receiver build when you have justin jefferson i don't hate it i think he's got a lot of upside with those two backs as well specifically breeze hall i am not a believer in t.j hawkinson getting fourth round draft capital or even fifth round

draft capital it's a late fourth round pick but that's just me i i think the jordan addison edition is going to really hurt him, but we'll see what happens there. Okay. Was the Hawkinson pick made because he wanted to have a quality tight end? That's the only reason I can think of why he's taking there. I agree with you, Dan. I think he's a, I think he's a five, six turn pick.

All right. Team two, Eckler, Ramondre, Devante Smith, Debo Samuel. Eckler, Ramondre, Devante Smith, Debo Samuel. Eckler, Ramondre, Devante Smith, Debo Samuel. Solid. Yeah, it's a good team. Solid team. It's a solid team. Having Eckler at the anchor is great.

He's going to be able to pick up Justin Fields if he wants to with his first pick in round five. I think that would make the team a lot of fun. That's it. That's where you should go. Team three is interesting. No running back. It is. Kelsey, Mahomes, Higgins, DJ Moore,

and the best running backs available. We still have Damian Pierce, Alexander Madison. It's going to work out great for him if Damian Pierce falls. If not, Alexander Madison's there. Kenneth Walker's there. These are great round five picks. Alright, team four.

Jamar Chase, Garrett Wilson, Travis ETN, Aaron Jones. Solid build. I like that team. I like that. OJ Weber at team five is Christian McCaffrey, Tony Pollard. So that's an RBRB start. Jalen Hurts did not take

I think the only team that didn't take a wide receiver in the first three rounds. So McCaffrey, Pollard, Jalen Hurts, Christian Watson. This is my favorite team. McCaffrey at five should never happen in my opinion. Pollard should never last that long. It's a round two. So I thought he dominated rounds one and two. And then I thought

he dominated rounds three. I think Jalen Hurts belongs, if not at mahomes's pick right behind mahomes i think this is going to be the most polarizing team that we see because he went running back running back and and i feel like the general public has been programmed into thinking oh you can't take running backs that heavy anymore you've got to go and get wide receivers and I think it's safer to take one running back and one wide receiver with your first two picks, for example. But I think this is this year's zag to the zig is to take two running backs. And he did.

He got two running backs at great values. Dan mentioned McCaffrey at five Pollard and mid to late round two. They shouldn't go there. And so the key point that I would have here is if, if this is you and your draft and you're seeing a running back slip a little bit, don't worry about going zero RB or dominating with wide receivers, be a running back bully and go get these guys at good values in your draft.

Uh, yeah, I would have taken, I would have taken Deandre Hopkins instead of Christian Watson in that particular build, because I think RBRB is always risky it just I feel like it it is never works out for me it like looks great on paper but they're just such a volatile position but I still love the start McCaffrey and Pollard

you have to do it and then going Jalen Hurts I would have taken a more sure thing at wide receiver if you consider it maybe like Debo Samuel but Watson I don't know Watson would not have been the pick for that build I don't know if Watson would not have been the pick for that build. I don't know if it makes a difference to you, you know, like your risk versus upside. But for that build, I'm not going Watson as my number one receiver. I'd rather Watson be my number two receiver. If I already have an established veteran person,

he's not getting a number one receiver when he's going to spend his first three picks. I disagree. I think think Hopkins might not be top 12, but he's a bona fide... We know what to expect from Hopkins, I think. I would disagree. We don't know what to expect from him. He's in that same group as Keenan Allen as far as age

becoming a factor. Now he's on Tennessee, and that's a team that just does not throw a ton to its to its wide receivers I don't think we can look at him he's been getting double digit targets per game the majority of his career I don't think we can look at him getting there anymore not with Derrick Henry healthy not with the way the Titans offense operates not with a second year wide receiver and Traylon Burks in fold. He's still going to be pretty good. I could see him getting over a thousand yards,

but the touchdowns I'm worried about and a hundred catches I'm worried about as well. But anything, any concern you have with him, you'd have to have with Christian Watson. There's no way you can say that Watson has a different set of concerns, but right. But there are concerns about both of them.

All right. That's what happens when you get to around four in your draft and you're looking for a wide receiver all right point taken deandre hopkins is the first pick of round five so that's jefferson mixon breeze hall hawkinson and hopkins that's great the next pick uh eckler remandre davante smith and debo samuel i'm not gonna be able to get to the build for every team. Sorry about that. Well, you know what? You can do that when we stop the draft again. You can go to the middle four teams if you want or the next five or whatever.

All right. Alvin Kamara is about to be the pick here, which is much earlier than we're used to seeing. That's 51st overall. And Joseph, if you're listening to me, I still am not really clear why I have to make all of your picks. You're just saying who you want in the chat.

I do think if you click on a player's name and click draft, you should be able to draft that player. Justin Herbert goes fourth. All right, so now we get to the McCaffrey, Pollard, Hertz, Christian Watson team that we just spent a lot of time on. And they take Terry McLaurin.

Another player I think is underrated in fantasy this year. McLaurin? Yeah. Make the case. My case is that, and I had a good conversation with Jamie about it. He's kind of brought me a little bit down. And me.

Remember, I was there too. And you, Adam. I didn't mean to take you out of it. You're in every conversation, Adam. You don't need the attention. You're in every conversation. But I think I may be overrating a little bit more of how much I like him as an actual player, Dave. I think he's a top 10 actual receiver and his O he gets open at an incredible rate. I think he can beat consistently can beat

man coverage on the outside, which I don't think more than like two handfuls of receivers can at most. So I may be overrating all of that and just thinking, wow, I'm getting this guy round five. Who's one of the better receivers in the NFL because the issue is of course, Sam Howell, the new offense, things like that. So yes, I may be overrating all that, but I just feel like Terry McLaurin is someone who I can plug in. We're talking about safe plays here. You were talking about the, uh, right before this, we were talking about Christian Watson being kind of like the not safe play and Adam would have preferred a safe play in DeAndre Hopkins I think McLaurin's a pretty safe bet to get to a certain point with receptions yards things like that I just we've never seen him right that was James Gator over a long stretch certainly over the

course of a season in full PPR last year, 13 and a half points per game, 12.2 the year before now, Dotson's going to be in his second year questions at quarterback. Just makes me a little bit nervous to be in love with McLaurin, but he's absolutely, this is the range he's going to go in. I can't say that it's a bad pick, but this is why he's not going. This is why he shouldn't be around for pick because there will be a

contingent of fantasy managers that won't want Hopkins. won't want Metcalf, won't want Cooper, won't want Debo, won't want Christian Watson. And they'll see McLaurin and they know that he's exciting and they'll take him in round four. And I just don't think that that's a good idea. Some of the players picked after him. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah.

Team six. Right. Bijan, St. Brown, Mark Andrews, Jerry Judy. you all right some of the players picked after him oh yeah go ahead yeah yeah team six right bijan saint brown mark andrews jerry judy and then trevor lawrence in round five so that's still only one running back but they went with trevor lawrence ahead of justin fields team seven had had three receivers and a running back cup henry olave keenan allen and went with damian pierce so we'll see how that team turns out. No tight end, no quarterback yet. Same thing with Team 8.

Tyreek Hill, Josh Jacobs, Amari Cooper, J.K. Dobbins, and then Deontay Johnson in round five. So that's Jacobs and Dobbins at running back. Tyreek Hill, Amari Cooper, Deontay Johnson. Team 9 also does not. Oh, no, I'm sorry. No tight end, but they have a quarterback. Jonathan Taylor, Jalen Waddell, Josh Allen,

DK Metcalf, Ken Walker. And now they take... I'll get to round 6 in a bit. They're already up to round 6. Team 10 was Stefan Diggs, Nick Chubb, Jameer Gibbs, Joe Burrow, Drake London. Those were the first five picks for Team 6. Team...

Sorry, for Team 10. Team 11 was CeeDee Lamb, A.J. Brown, then Najee Harris, then Lamar Jackson, and then Kyle Pitts. So that's one running back, two receivers, tight end,

and quarterback through five rounds. Lamb, A.J. Brown, Najee Harris, Lamar Jackson, Kyle Pitts. Kind of like that team. Stephen Barkley in pick 12 took Saquon Barkley, then Devontae Adams, Calvin Ridley, Miles Sanders,

Justin Fields, and James Conner. James Conner was the first pick of round six. That's where we're at right now. Connor, DeAndre Swift, Marquise Brown, George Kittle, Tua Tungabailoa. That's early-ish for Tua, so it's before Deshaun Watson. But I'm okay with that part, but it's still too early. Yeah, probably could have waited.

Darren Waller, Cam Akers, Chris Godwin, Rashad White. I don't really see any crazy picks one way or another. Maybe Tua. Tua would be the one. Definitely felt a little too early. But if you've got that sense that he's going to just absolutely pop off in the games that he plays in, then you reach a little, but I still think, I still think he could have waited one more round at least to get to on his squad. All right. I'm going to make a pick again for, um, Joseph, Joseph, Joseph. I'm enjoying this. I love that Adam, on top of having to host the show and commission the league, now has to draft for one of our listeners.

I just like the way Adam described it. He's like, I'm not quite sure why I have to make these picks for this guy. He's just telling me to fix it in the chat. But the other thing is every single person in the chat is telling him the same thing. They're like, click on the name and hit draft. Click on the player. Draft him. I think, I don't know how you guys feel. Click on the name and hit draft. Click on the player. Draft him.

I think, I don't know how you guys feel. I think I'd like to get back to looking at the individual teams and their builds. Yeah. Instead of going round by round. So we did five of those teams. And the team that went McCaffrey, Pollard, Hurts, Christian Watson is just loading up on wide receivers now. Watson, Terry McLaurin, Chris Godwin. I like it. Six rounds. So let's take a

look at the other teams here. This would be the sixth pick in the draft. Bijan, Amandra St. Brown, Mark Andrews. That was a pick Dan loved. Jerry Judy, Trevor Lawrence, and Cam Akers as RB2. So that would be Lawrence and Andrews, Bijan and Akers, Judy and Amandra St. Brown. I think you'll see this build pretty frequently where they go with the anchor running back, hero RB, as it were. You get one stud early on, and then you build around them with some good wide receivers. And in this case, Mark Andrews at tight end. And then you just kind of go best player available. And, and I think it opens up this manager to go after running backs, pretty hog wild starting in round seven or eight.

So I would expect maybe one more wide receiver mixed in from this team. And then just a bunch of running backs to go along with Bijan cam acres is the number two. That was his round six pick. I think that's pretty good. I'll give you the next team, Dan. You ready? That's Cooper Cup. Seventh overall pick. Cooper Cup, Derrick Henry, Chris Olave, Keenan Allen, Damian Pierce, and Darren Waller.

No quarterback yet, unless they just took one. I don't think they did. Again, it's the running backs are Henry and Pierce, There are no quarterback yet unless they just took one. I don't think they did. Nope. All right. So again, it's the running backs are Henry and Pierce cup. Olave Keenan Allen are the two receivers in the flex and Darren Waller at tight end. You like it? Yeah, I really like this team. I think, you know, these are the types of teams to me that tend to have the best chance to break out the ones that do wait on quarterback.

Today's game. It's less so it's less. That's not the case as much as it used to be. But when you do it like this, look at what you're going to have. You're going to have this core of wide receivers, running backs, and you even get Darren Waller here, who I really like as a tight end potential difference maker as the number one option in New York. And you're going to be in a good spot all season long at those key positions. You just have to obviously hit on a quarterback. I would like, when I do these builds, I like to go back to back quarterbacks in around.

So I'd go like two upside guys around QB 11 through 14 range here. Um, which there's still plenty of guys to go for. Well, the good thing for this, this manager, um, who took Waller actually took Jordan Addison around seven,

everyone picking after him has a quarterback. So I wouldn't wait. In round eight, if I'm this guy, I'm taking Deshaun Watson without hesitation. Why not Anthony Richardson? I'm not a Richardson guy, but sure. Fine, okay. But you're destined to take two quarterbacks anyway.

You might as well take the one that's got the most upside in the universe. I don't see how... I don't get this. I don't see how I don't get this. I don't see how Deshaun Watson, who was perennially a top five or six quarterback, like a 600 plus yard rushing guy with great, you know, through for almost 5,000 yards one year.

I can't sit here and say that Anthony Richardson has more upside than Deshaun Watson. I think that that's just how I feel. He's the most athletic quarterback in the history of the Combine. How could he not? Because he's going to have bad passing stats as well. I think he's going to be worse than Watson. I think he's going to be worse than Watson. We're just talking about

upside alone, though. This isn't a dynasty draft. This is a 2023 upside. What about when Lamar Jackson hit the league? Running. He did not do it in his rookie year. Oh, you are right. He did not do it in his rookie year. Oh, you are right. He did not do it in his rookie year. Yeah, so none of them did. Kyler Murray did not.

Kyler Murray was like 12-ish per game as a rookie, something like that. Justin Fields was terrible as a rookie. I know Fields, yeah. All right, next team. Point taken. Next team is Paul. Tyreek Hill.

I started with Tyreek Hill, Josh Jacobs, Amari Cooper, J.K. Dobbins, Deontay Johnson. So his first five picks were his running backs, receiver, and flex. Hill, Cooper, Deontay, Jacobs, and Dobbins. And then he went with Tua at quarterback. And Javante Williams now in round seven. Dave, you like this team? I don't like the Tua pick.

I think it's a little too early. He could have taken, but okay, fine. I think Tua was a little too early, but I think Javante Williams was of really good value. So if you were to flip those two picks, it would probably work out just fine. It's a good team. I don't like the Cooper reach either.

I felt like he took him a little bit too early. All right, next pick, or next drafter is Aaron. He had Taylor. This was the ninth overall pick. Taylor, Jalen Waddell, Josh Allen, DK Metcalf, Ken Walker, George Kittle, and then he ended up with Jahan Dotson at Flex, I guess, and James Cookie took in round eight.

We're already in round eight. I'll catch everybody up on round seven and eight, but Taylor and Walker at running back, Waddle and Metcalf at receiver, Josh Allen at quarterback, George Kittle at tight end, and Jahan Dotson. Dan, your thoughts on this team?

It's a good build. I wonder if we're overhyping johan dots in a little bit i saw recently jamie moved them all the way up in his rankings to the point where he's just behind terry mclaurin in that tier as well we went over wide receiver tiers earlier this week if we have those same if we have the concerns about the quarterback situation the new system even the offensive line there in Washington, which is not good. And that division as a whole, the NFC East is facing a gauntlet of a schedule. You could see this in Dave's projected strength schedule rankings. And we're going from a division that faced the AFC South for four games last

year to the AFC East. That's horrible. And the NFC North to the NFC West. That's horrible. I just wonder if we're overrating Jahan Dotson based on his talent. Cause he is a great talent and I like him as a talent, but as an actual fantasy asset

as a number two option on a bad pass in a bad passing game with a tough schedule and a bad offensive line. I just Dotson someone I just don't see myself drafting this year. All right, Dave, Team 10. Rami took Diggs and Chubb

in the first two rounds. Then Jameer Gibbs. You would have preferred Najee Harris. Joe Burrow. And then he went three receivers in a row. Drake London, Marquise Brown, Gabe Davis, Khalil Herbert. You know, obviously, I'm able to read more picks for each team as we go because, you know, we're making progress in the draft here.

But Stefan Diggs, Drake London, Marquise Brown, Gabe Davis at receiver. Nick Chubb, Jameer Gibbs at running back, Joe Burrow at quarterback, Khalil Herbert as a bench player as well. No tight end yet. And we're definitely in a different tier of tight end. We have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight off the board. So I don't know. You like this team? It's all right. I remember reading in the chat that Rami, who drafted this team, didn't like his round three and four picks. It's never a good thing when you say in the chat oh i hate my picks after you make your pick why did you make those picks um starting with chubb and digs was fantastic

chubb is going to get pushed up he where did he go like 15th in our mock today uh yes yes he's getting pushed up they're they're starting to get some groundswell for him to have a big year. He's always been really good for fantasy, even in full PPR. Last year, 16.6 PPR points per game overall. It was really down when Watson was on the field and up more with Brissette. The year before before 14.5 PPR points per game. Any uptick in targets for Chubb would be huge. But the fact that there's no Kareem Hunt, no one's really buying Jerome Ford as someone who's going to come in and take work away from Chubb.

You can kind of see a path for him to get 20 touches per game and maybe even one or two catches per game. That would make a big difference in full PPR. Being that it's half PPR, mostly fine with him going at 15. I don't like Gibbs in round three and half PPR. He's better in full PPR. I don't mind Burrow in round four, but there probably was a better wide receiver that you could have taken there.

And then you could have gone with a quarterback in round five or six when you took Drake London. I love the start. The first two picks are great. He won't be unhappy with Burrow by the time the season's over, but I do wish his depth at running back and wide receiver were just a little bit stronger.

All right. C.D. Lamb was the first pick for Team 11. A.J. Brown, so that's wide receiver, wide receiver. Let's see how they did with that. C.D. Lamb, A.J. Brown, Najee Harris, and then instead of taking maybe a Dobbins or an Aaron Jones or a Madison in round four, they went with Lamar Jackson. And then Kyle Pitts.

So really waited on RB2, but ended up with DeAndre Swift in round six. Then Mike Evans. And then Dalvin Cook in round eight. I think that's a great pick if you're going receiver, receiver, and then waiting until round six to take your second running back. Dalvin Cook in round eight is a good one. So starting lineup of Lamar Jackson, Najee Harris, DeAndre Swift, CeeDee Lamb, A.J. Brown, Kyle Pitts,

and then at flex, either Mike Evans or Dalvin Cook. I'm just going to give the analysis here. I think this is a really good team, really good start. I think maybe Waddle over A.J. Brown, but I don't really care. Good job. Team 12. Dan, you can comment on this one because it has Saquon Barkley. Barkley, Devante Adams, Calvin

Ridley, Miles Sanders, Justin Fields, James Connor, David Njoku, and Michael Thomas. Saquon Barkley and Sanders at running back with Connor as a flex, Devante Adams and Calvin Ridley at receiver, Justin Fields and David Njoku.

And then on the bench, Michael Thomas. Yeah. And it's a, it's a balanced build. It's just not necessarily the players that I'm targeting in this, this fantasy season. Devante Adams,

the player I'm definitely avoiding this fantasy season. And I just, I'm never going to be the guy who's going to take a tight end like David Njoku in round seven. It's just not a spot for me. I feel like he's pushed up entirely because the position he plays. And that's just not, I'd rather take my gamble on finding my Amon Ross St. Brown of this year, whoever it may be. Cooper Cup was a seventh round pick two years ago or six round pick. I mean, you may be not get those guys, but I'd rather take that gamble there.

So I just feel like this team did build balance which is nice but just doesn't have anyone about it yeah and michael thomas another guy around eight i'm like yeah michael thomas at one point what was it 2019 was the wide receiver one that was 2019 and since then he's had so many lower body injuries building up building, building up, building up. I don't know that when he gets back on the practice field, he's the same player he was. I know he had a great stretch last year. He was dominant in the red zone. First three games of the year.

Yeah, and he looked awesome. I'm not worried about what he can do if he's on the field healthy. I'm worried about that body staying healthy at this point when it's been that many of the same injuries over and over to an area of your body that may not recover. And I would just argue that it's a round eight pick, Dan. I'm not going to get into the minutia of whether or not, um, Thomas is a risk. There's no question about it because of his injuries. If he's right, then you're going to be thrilled that you've got him in round eight. If he's wrong, it's kind of like you shrug your shoulders and say, all right, well, it's a round eight pick.

It's not the end of the world. So I'm not going to ding him for that. And it's like for every great value that he got, Saquon I think is going to end up being a great value. Justin Fields was a great value. He also had some picks. You mentioned the Njoku pick for one that just weren't – it wasn't a great pick.

It was kind of reaching a little bit. Only reach for the guys that you're sure you're not going to get coming back. That's like the only time that you should go and get your guys sooner than what ADP suggests or what the general public suggests is because you think he's going to be way better. It's a personal opinion. And maybe that's what Steven's thinking. When he took David and Joku, maybe he thinks we're nuts for being low on the joke. Yeah, it's fair. All right, guys.

Let me agree with him. Heath has no joke. Who's six? The monk tight ends. Wow. We got to take a break here. When we come back, we'll go.

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in advance and let's take a look at the picks we'll go uh round by round we have missed an awful lot i think we went through i think we only did round five. So round six was James Conner, 61st overall. Just real quick, Dave, you okay with that? James Conner, DeAndre Swift to start round six, 61 and 62 overall. Much more fine with Conner than Swift. They both have injury concerns, of course, but Conner should be another, let's say 20, a 20 touch candidate in Arizona.

He'll catch the ball. Whereas Swift might not even see 10 touches very often in Philadelphia. But as I've said with Swift and you can put Michael Thomas in this group, just whatever point in the draft that you look at a pig and you go, okay, I can afford to splurge a little bit. That's where you take Deandre Swift. For me, that's round seven. Okay, let's go to the next few picks then.

Marquise Brown. I like Marquise Brown. Do you like him 63rd overall, Dan? I'm not a Marquise Brown guy. I do like what you pointed out, that he was good last year before. Yeah, and even at times when the situation wasn't perfect, but I don't trust it new system i'm not so sure he's going to be the focal point of that passing game i'm sure sure i want any part

of that passing game anyway i just think it's a little too early for somebody in a really bad situation so with an injury history by the way yeah i'm also going to say i i would have taken i like him but i would have taken chris him but I would have taken Chris Godwin I would have taken Christian Kirk over him some of the guys that yeah went after Marquise Brown all right so Marquise Brown George Kittle Tua which we thought was a little early Darren Waller and at that point well we still have Goddard who goes about eight picks later Cam Akers Chris Godwin Rashad White David, David Montgomery. David Montgomery goes late round six. Jameer Gibbs goes late round three. What was the better pick, guys?

Montgomery for me. It's going to be unpopular, but it's Montgomery. Christian Kirk, Brandon Ayuk to finish the sixth round. I know I've kind of debated with Schneier, Kirk versus Ayuke. We had a really good debate about that last Friday, Dave. I took the Kirk side. He took the Iuke side. Where do you fall on that? They're back to back in my rankings. I have Kirk one spot ahead of Iuke. I'm worried about the target crunch in San Francisco, and I think that offense will throw less than Jacksonville's. I've kind of come around on what I learned about Doug Peterson. I don't think there's going to be one guy that gets a massive target share

among the wide receivers. So I've started to move Calvin Ridley down my rankings, and I've moved Christian Kirk up a little bit in my rankings, and I think that they should be drafted a little bit closer together. When you're getting Christian Kirk at the end of round six, I like it better in full PPR than half PPR, but I think that's the right spot. Okay.

A.J. Dillon was the first pick of round seven, followed by Dallas Goddard. So he is the last of those top eight tight ends. Right? It's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Yeah. Is it seven? I'm sorry.

One, two, three, four, five. Yeah, seven. he's the last of that group of tight ends that we talk a lot about um brian robinson uh mike williams uh michael pitman tyler lockett jordan addison so there's addison uh right after lockett very different situations there giovante look at all the wide receivers in this round. Wow, Javante Williams. We're in the middle of round seven here. Jahan Dotson, Gabe Davis, Mike Evans,

and then David Njoku. Dan, if there's one player at wide receiver that you gravitate toward in this group and one that you avoid, who would they be? So it's Mike Williams, Michael Pittman, Tyler Lockett, Jordan Addison, Jahan Dotson, Gabe Davis, and Mike Evans. For me, it's been gravitating away from John Dotson. I made the case earlier. And it's gravitating toward who is it? Not Mike Williams, who I do like I value this year. Who is the Oh, Gabe Davis. I'm in on Gabe Davis this year.

I think last year I was in on him. It cost me a fourth round pick. It was a mistake. I overrated the situation versus the talent this year. That same situation is, is there in my opinion, he's fully healthy this year. Josh Allen's going to be fully healthy. Those were things that weren't the case last year. And yet you're getting a three round discount from last year, despite the situation being pretty similar. So I really like Gabe Davis this year. I'm definitely buying back in. Put me down for Tyler Lockett. He continues to outperform DK Metcalf each of the last two years. He's been better on a per game basis.

You're getting a discount on him compared to Metcalf. I know that Smith and Jigba is there and he'll definitely take targets away from Lockett, but he's going to take targets away from Metcalf too. He he's perpetually undervalued in drafts. He's my favorite one of this group just ahead of Mike Evans. Okay. Round eight would be Michael Thomas. We talked about that and then four running backs in a row and two of them

are related. Dalvin cook, Khalil Herbert, Jamesames cook and antonio gibson and obviously antonio gibson and james cook are related uh okay uh dalvin cook khalil herbert james cook antonio gibson uh dave you think those guys are good around eight picks so this is this is a little early earlier than adp at least for Khalil Herbert, for example. But do you think Dalvin, Khalil, Cook, Gibson, and then Pacheco, a little later than I would expect for Pacheco. He went two picks later.

Your thoughts on those five running backs in round eight? I've got Cook, Herbert, Pacheco ranked relatively close together. In fact, it's not relatively close among running backs. They're back to back to back. And I've got them as round six slash seven picks. So getting them in round eight, I think that's really good value for all three of them. We don't know where Dalvin cook's going to play the longer it takes him to find a team. I'm worried that it'll meet more of a split for him and not the workhorse role that we're

used to for Dalvin cook. I still think a little Herbert has thousand yard potential. I think he's the most explosive running back that Chicago has. I think he'll continue to be an efficient running back working off of Justin Fields. And I like his chances to stick around and have a, I guess a breakout year was last year. Breakout year.

He had some breakout. Yeah. He had a good year. Yeah. I think he was more of a sleeper last year than a breakout this year. I think he's going to be more of a breakout. Okay, great. We've got, let's see, after that running back group,

Deshaun Watson went to the team that I thought it made sense for him to take Deshaun Watson. Didn't get his quarterback until round eight. Pacheco was next. George Pickens, Samaje Pirine. So that is Pirine. Late round eight. And Javante was mid-round seven.

So let's say, I don't know, 15 picks maybe after, no, more like 12 picks. Like a round after Javante Williams, Dan, your thoughts on Broncos? Yeah, I think the interesting situation here is, and Dave did good research on this back in February because I've been pulling it a bunch of times. That's why I know the articles from February. You should be excited about the potential of running backs on the Broncos.

I don't know if you should get excited more about Javante Williams or Maje Pirine. I've been on Pirine all offseason because he's healthier. I really like what I saw on film during his time with Cincinnati, especially last year. And I just don't really trust running backs coming back from the injury Williams did in year one. So I've been more on P Ryan, better, uh, better fantasy value too, in the sense that you get them later. But the fact of the matter is, if you look at Sean Bain's history, targets are coming to these running backs. The system will, will be running through the running backs in the passing game. That's how it is with Sean Payton. It doesn't matter if Russell Wilson's done in his

past. You don't need to look up Russell Wilson's past stats, throwing the running backs. That's not how it works in the NFL. The code, these quarterbacks are going to do what the coaches say. Just look at what Dable did with Daniel Jones last year. And Mike McDaniel to a same thing's going to happen with Sean Payton. There's going to be a lot of running back targets in this offense. And that means these running backs can have a real opportunity to outproduce what their expectations are in fantasy. So I kind of like both, but I lean Pirine in that situation.

All right, a round later. After Samaj P. Ryan, we had Rashad Penny, Anthony Richardson, and Kadarius Tony. So Tony goes with the last pick of round eight. Skymore was where was

Skymore trying to find him here? Skymore was in the middle of round nine. Okay. 100 second overall. Okay, so that's six picks after Kadarius Tony. Yeah, they're getting closer together. I bet you'll see Skymore flirt with going ahead of Tony

in ADP by mid August because i think there's going to be some some hype around him and he'll steam up second year receiver could take over the slot role could generate as many as 100 targets um in that offense and i know the amount of how healthy tony is all season if tony's healthy you can count on him for five or six targets per game. But for those games where Tony's out, I think you'll see a pretty significant uptick for Sky Moore.

I'm also not opposed with getting both of them. So, like, the team that drafted Tony did it with the last pick in round eight. I wouldn't have been opposed if he took more with the first pick in round nine. Do the old Adam Azer-style

friendship strategy. It's interesting, but the thing about the friendship strategy was that you had to feel that they were both good values where they were and that if one of them got hurt, basically, you were guaranteed to have a starting,

that you were guaranteed to have a starter. I don't really put those guys in the friendship strategy. I would almost be like Kelsey and Tony or Kelsey and Moore or something like that, where, gosh, if Kelsey gets hurt, then all of a sudden your Kadarius Tony pick in round eight looks amazing. But even if Kelsey doesn't get hurt, your Tony pick in round eight still looks fine. All right, we're on to round nine here. Zach Charbonnet, Dak Prescott, Jamal williams all right so we got charbonnet at the first i gotta do this again charbonnet first pick of round nine

ken walker late round or early round five so that would have been about about 50th overall so round five for walker round nine for charbonnet what do you guys prefer round nine for charbonnet without a do you guys prefer? Round nine for Charbonnet, without a doubt. I was going to say Walker in round five. Bam! Take that, Dan. Well, I did write up an article for Sportsline yesterday.

Ten training camp battles that I'm following. I think there's an outside chance Charbonnet outscores Walker this year. Without any injuries? Without any injuries without any injuries okay because I'll tell my cases he takes over the red zone role almost immediately he takes over the passing down role almost immediately Walker's still bigger big play threat obviously that's not Charbonnet's game but fantasy points are scored in the passing game and in the red zone so I think there's an outside chance of it it really does come down to that red zone role

yeah and i i can't say with certainty that charbonnet is going to get it dan we studied him he was good in that role at ucla he's got to be able to translate it though yeah into the nfl so if he does and hopefully we catch wind of it before the season starts then slam dunk charbonnet would be the better pick there. But Walker's talented, man. We can't completely sleep on him. And apparently he's worked on his receiving game this offseason, too. So this might be an area of strength for Seattle. They might try to get both running backs going in the passing game, and that would

help Walker. I'm kind of looking for Walker in round five in my drafts because he's got so much upside. If things break right for him, you're talking about a guy that's going to finish as a top five running back this year. I really think it's fine. I mean, we're at like an hour now,

and I'm going to try to get through most of the rest of the draft here, which is over, by the way. I want to thank everybody for completing it. I really think there's almost this narrative going around that Ken Walker, it just sells Ken Walker short. And it's the idea that he's such a boomer bust running back because he was last year. But you know what? So was Jonathan Taylor. Two years in a row, Jonathan Taylor has been like that. Some running backs are like that. I would say Saquon Barkley is like that. He has a lot of really bad runs.

He might have 14 carries for 25 yards at one point, and then he might break a 60-yard touchdown run. And I think people are being a little bit too hard on Ken Walker after one year where he was really, really good, but was a little bit boomer bust on a carry-by-carry basis. And I'll save this rant for another show.

Let's move on here. Charbonnet was the first pick of round nine. Dak Prescott. So actually, do you think Deshaun Watson and Anthony Richardson should go ahead of Dak Prescott? Five-second answer, Dave. I think it should be Richardson, Prescott, Watson. Okay.

Jamal Williams going to the same guy who took Kamara. And I'm going to pause there, and I'm going to look at Joseph's team because he went Kelsey Mahomes. He probably, how did that team turn out? Kelsey Mahomes, T. Higgins, DJ Moore. So not only are you going with a wide receiver tight end stack, you're going no running backs till round five. Then he took five in a row.

Kamara, Montgomery, Brian Robinson, Rashad Penny, Jamal Williams, and Israel Abinakanda, and Raheem Mossert, and Deontay Foreman later. And he also took Adam Thielen. So this to me is actually, I think, a big mistake when you go like zero RB, which is kind of what he did, Kelsey Mahomes, Higgins, DJ Moore, I don't think you should basically completely forget about wide receiver for the rest of the draft. You better hope that Higgins and Moore are both really good.

Otherwise, you've got Adam Thielen as your only bench receiver. So I think he went a little bit too heavy with the last one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine picks, eight of them were running, seven, eight, nine picks. Eight of them were running backs and one was Adam Thielen. So I think that is a little bit too much for me. But anyway, that's how that team turned out.

Dan, what do you think? He does have Kamara and Jamal Williams. So that could be a starter. And he has David Montgomery. He might be able to pull this off. I think in a two receiver league, which we're at here, he has a good he might be able to pull this off I think in a two receiver league which we're at here he has a good chance to be able to pull this off right okay next

next pick after Jamal Williams was Pat Friermuth then Evan Ingram Skymore Zay Flowers he was the first Ravens receiver taken right yes yes yeah Bateman went around later. Jackson, Smith, and Jigba.

Is that... That is two rounds after Tyler Lockett. Is that good value? I can't say it's good value. I'm just not sold on Smith and Jigba being a force for the Seahawks offense right away. Okay. Things could break right for him if Lockett slows down,

if Metcalf misses time. But the picks around him were Sky Moore, Zay Flowers, Cooks, Quentin Johnston, Traylon Burks. So I feel like he belongs there, right? Right. I think this is right about where he'll go. I just don't know, especially in half PPR. I don't know if I can sign off on him

as a round. He's close to 100th overall. It just seems like maybe 10, 15 spots a little too early for me. Wow. Okay. Brandon Cooks, Dalton Kincaid, Quentin Johnston, Traylon Burks. Three tight ends went in round

nine. Friar Muth, Evan Ingram, and then Dalton Kincaid. No tight ends were in round nine. Friar Muth, Evan Ingram, and then Dalton Kincaid. No tight ends were taken until another round and a half when Dalton Schultz was selected. Round 10 is Juju, Elijah Moore, Romeo Dobbs, Devon A-Chain, some rookie running backs here.

We got two rookie running backs, A-Chain and Tank Bigsby. Nico Collins as well. Damian Harris. Jamison Williams. Rashad Bateman. Adam Thielen. Jacoby Myers.

Kirk Cousins. That's an interesting... All right, so what do you think about this? Michael Neitz, the guy who picked first, had a lot of chances, nine of them, to take a quarterback. He may have been pretty disappointed when Dak Prescott went off the board. I don't know, but that was a while ago. Oh, no, I think he had a plan.

He went with Cousins. So he has Jefferson. He had the first overall pick. Jefferson, Mixon, Brees Hall, TJ Hawkinson, DeAndre Hopkins, Brandon Ayuk, AJ Dillon, Kadarius Toney, Zach Charbonnet, Kirk Cousins. Adam, this guy is a Kevin O'Connell fan. Yes, Cousins to Hawkinson to Jefferson.

I like that. He's buying into what was one of the most prolific passing offenses last year. They were top three in pass rate. They should be top three in pass rate again this year. I don't mind. He's not leaning into the Vikings passing game. He's cannonballing into it with Jefferson at one.

And remember we talked about Hawkinson and it felt like he was reaching for Hawkinson. His plan played out to perfection, loading up on Vikings. I thought he... Well, the thing is, I thought you did not, Dave. You didn't think he reached for Brees Hall. Um, I did not. It's a little, it makes me a little nervous, you know, for obvious reasons. And then Hawkinson, we all didn't really love that pick.

So if you want to play that game, Jefferson, Hawkinson cousins, it does seem like you have, it seems like you have to reach because there's, you know, most people, instead of taking Brees Hall or taking Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen there. And he didn't. He intentionally skipped over them so he could take Cousins later. But all right. Cousins, let's see. We're in round 11.

I'll read one more round here. Elijah Mitchell, Roshan Johnson. Or Roshan Johnson said that wrong. Israel, Abinakanda. Jonathan Mingo, Jeff Wilson, Tyler Algier. That is the B. John Robinson team, so that's a good pick. Nice. Dalton Schultz, second tight end. That's very nice. That's a second tight end, though. What do you think? Darren Waller and Dalton Schultz? It's fine. I don't have a problem with getting a second tight end, especially if it's a guy that's got some upside.

And I know that no one really thinks about Schultz as a sexy pick, but when you get to the Texans offense, tell me who's going to lead that team and targets, catches, yards, and touchdowns.

You could say it could be Dalton Schultz. Yeah, it could be. It would be probably a bad year for the Texans offense, but it could be. Well, I don't think anybody's expecting

C.J. Stroud to set fire to the National Football League. No. Isaiah Hodgins. Isaiah Hodgins. Dan, I don't think I've asked you, who's your favorite Giants receiver for fantasy? It's Isaiah Hodgins by far for me. Kendri Miller was selected

after that. Greg Dulcich, Cortland Sutton, and Leonard Fournette. So on Kendra Miller, if your league has IR spots, you might be able to draft him, stash him, and then immediately go to the waiver wire and pick up somebody else. And I would sign up on that. I just wouldn't do it in round 11.

I think you can probably get away with that with literally your last pick. I should also mention that the Dak Prescott pick in round nine was the same team that took Anthony Richardson. So that is a pretty good combination of upside and safe starter. And exactly what you have to do when you take Richardson. Yeah. You have to do it. You have to do that. But at the same time,

maybe you can, would you rather wait for the next group? Because, you know, picks two quarterbacks in eight and nine is a little bit early, Dave. So you could have waited another round maybe for Cousins or you could have taken Rodgers or Geno or Daniel Jones

or Wilson or something like that. That's fair. And obviously if it's a smaller league, like say it's an eight team league and you take Anthony Richardson, you know that the waiver wire will have a ton of quarterbacks. So you don't have to necessarily get that second quarterback. Okay.

Well, Dan and Dave, thank you very much. Got fun weekend plans? I'm working. I have to go to my cousin's graduation party. So that doesn't sound as good as it is. I'm getting excited, man. Training camps will be open. What if your family listens to this show? That could easily get back to your cousin. That doesn't sound as good as it is. I'm getting excited, man. Training camps will be open.

What if your family listens to this show? That could easily get back to your cousin. Wait, what did he just say? No, that needs to be edited out. Repeat it. No, repeat it. Repeat it. Thomas, edit that out, please. No, it's in posterity.

He said, yeah. Okay, I love her, and I'm happy for her, and I'm excited to celebrate her. I don't want to do the drive on a weekend down. Oh, yeah, drives are tough. You know, it's a drive. Yeah, no, it's a drive. Who wants want to do the drive on a weekend down. Drives are tough. You know, it's a drive. Yeah, no, it's a drive. Who wants to take a long drive on the weekend? All right, thank you very much, everybody,

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