Fantasy Football Today - Live Mock Draft! PPR, 2 Flex Spots, 6 Point Per Passing TD (08/16 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: August 16, 2024

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I had no idea. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays on his feet. He's just going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Welcome, everybody, to Fantasy Football Today, presented by BetMGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas. Adam Azer, Heath Cummings, Dave Richard. We've done our position previews.

We've done our sleepers, breakouts, and busts. It is time now to draft. Live mock draft with 10 listeners or viewers. And Dave and Heath are going to take part in the draft. I am just going to sit back and moderate. Okay, guys. Let's see. We got any big news that you feel

like we need to address. We're still waiting on Brandon Ayuk. Matthew Stafford is a minor hamstring issue. Jameer Gibbs should be ready for week one. Where do you guys think he'll go in this draft? Top 15 pick. 13 to 15. Hopefully he goes 14th overall.

That would be your second pick. Malik Nabors returned to practice. Could actually play this weekend. Where do you think he'll go in this draft? Where does Azcer pick? Uh, picking. Oh,

you're not even picking. No. And I haven't drafted. Well, I'll go second pick of round four. I will go. I'll say he's around three packs. Yeah.

I say around three as well. 36. I don't think I'll, maybe I'll take them. I don't know, but by 36 overall, he'll be a goner. Christian calf,

Christian Kirk, Christian calf has a minor Kirk injury. Jordan Addison seems to have avoided any major injury with his ankle. Russell Wilson is supposed to play this weekend unless he has any setbacks with his calf. So I guess Russell Wilson is not completely out of the woods. And we'll talk about more guys who are kind of rising right now just based on reports. Brian Thomas having a good camp. Greg Dortch has been really impressive in joint practices with the Vikings. And let's get started.

We have a 12-team league. It is, like I said, Dave Heath. Heath is picking second. Dave is picking 11th. 11th. And 10 audience members. 30 seconds on the clock, so these should go quickly. It's PPR.

It's one quarterback, two running backs, two wide receivers, one tight end, and two flex. Two flex. I don't know if people actually know that, so I'm going to make sure they know. Actually, I did put that in the Facebook post. Two flex, so we'll see if that changes anything. Christian McCaffrey is our first pick.

Heath, you're on the clock. So I'm really very, very close. And maybe if we did this trade or did this draft like on Monday or Tuesday, I would be there. I'm very close to just going RB, RB, RB. Man, you did a 30-second clock. You're going

to be resetting this thing so many times. It's all good. But I'm not there yet, so I'm going to go ahead and take CeeDee Lamb. But it's coming to where it's just going to be McCaffrey hall and Bijan. If we don't get this lamb thing figured out real, real fast. Can you get into that a little bit? Is it just because of lamb or is it because you're trying to load up on a position that

you think is really thin? No, it's because the reason for taking these wide receivers over Brees Hall and B. John Robinson is not because they have more upside. It's because wide receivers are supposed to be safer in round one. And it's you don't want to lose your draft with your round one pick.

But which of these wide receivers is safe now? It's not the guys who don't have a contract, I don't think, and aren't at practice. I can't say that a 30-year-old wide receiver is safe. Why? What? Why? What's wrong?

That's the one that I knew you were going to go there. I know Jamie says the same thing, but I don't really see any evidence that 30 is old, especially like you said. He didn't show any signs last year. He had maybe his best season ever. I think he's right. Well, you mean

he did get hurt and fall apart in the fantasy playoffs. Bijan Robinson. I mean, Brees Hall obviously has gotten hurt. He's towards ACL as a rookie. All right. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm surprised you don't put Hill there. You've got to set marks somewhere

for where age bothers you, or you can just ignore it completely. I'm not drafting Mike Evans. As much as I'm drafting Mike Evans higher than anybody else is, I'm not drafting him to match what he did last year. Right. Okay. So you have the three running backs ahead of Tyreek Hill?

Yes. The way this draft has gone, at least with the first five picks, McCaffrey, Lamb, Hall, Robinson, Hill, it's as if they're using my rankings. I would have a Monroe St. Brown right after Hill because he is the one wide receiver who I actually do think is bulletproof.

Okay. Let's talk about something here that now I'm seeing more and more often because we always, we've been talking about the elite eight for so long. And in this draft, it's McCaffrey, lamb hall, Bijan,

Tyreek Hill, Jamar chase. I'm on Ross St. Brown, but not Justin Jefferson. Saquon Barkley was eighth. When we drafted on Tuesday night, Saquon Barkley went ahead of Jamar chase,

who I took at nine. So Justin Jefferson goes ninth. Dave, you're about to be on the clock. AJ Brown went 10th. Before you pick, Dave, I'm going to stop the draft. Great. Should Barkley go ahead of Jefferson? I'm okay with it. You've got to be a little bit concerned about Jefferson catching passes from Darnold potentially for the whole season. But about Jefferson catching passes from Darnold potentially for the whole season.

But the argument is we knew Darnold was going to start this year, but we still had Jefferson ranked fifth. And my reaction to that is, well, I thought that JJ McCarthy would eventually come in and I feel like JJ McCarthy would be a better quarterback than Sam Darnold. Now, what happened was training camp started and McCarthy didn't really separate himself from Darnold. He was still making mistakes. He was still a little raw.

And so it was kind of easy to make Darnold the starter for week one in Minnesota. And then JJ got hurt. I, I, I, the track record with Darnold and his receivers is just not good, but he's never had a receiver like Justin Jefferson, and Kevin O'Connell's going to continue to filter targets to Jefferson. He's still going to get 10 per game. He's still a first-round pick. It's a matter of whether or not you think he can be 1,600 yards

and 10 touchdowns with 120 catches with Darnold slash Nick Mullins because if Darnold stinks, they've got an early year by they can go right back to Nick Mullins and the two games against Detroit. We know that Mullins lit them up. They're going to have some matchups. That'll be easier after the buy. They have a tough schedule before then. Maybe that's when Jefferson really hits his stride or maybe Sam Darnold

actually ends up playing decently. Well, either way, I still have enough confidence in Jefferson that he's a first round pick, still a top 10 pick, but not a top five or six type pick. And I'll just say, I did move Jefferson down to nine. I don't think there's any justification for moving him behind Saquon Barkley. We have no recent history of Saquon Barkley justifying being a top four running back. We have no recent history of aquon Barkley justifying being a top four running back. We have no recent history of a Philadelphia Eagles running back justified being a top four running back. Historically speaking, there's about a 10 to 15% decline in fantasy performance when veteran

running backs change teams. And I was on with Robert Turbin yesterday and he made the good point that the best running back in football is a guy who changed teams in the middle of his career. And that's true. It's also true that Christian McCaffrey's three best seasons from a fantasy point-per-game perspective came on the Carolina Panthers. He's not scoring 30 points a game anymore. He's scoring 22.

It's just still better than everyone else. It's more likely that Saquon Barkley is worse than he was last year, which is RB9, than better than he was last year. And if you, even if you don't believe that the risk is still greater than Justin Jefferson. Well, I got to talk about what happened after this.

Uh, so Jefferson went ninth, AJ Brown, 10th, Dave took Garrett Wilson. Now I want to remind everyone to running backs, two receivers, two flex.

How about this one, two turn James Cook cook and travis etn before jonathan taylor before jameer gibbs and uh man before puka before kyron williams marvin harris harrison i like james cook at 12 a lot more than i like saquon barkley at eight oh boy i like james cook more than at least five players better than Cook in that range, if not ten. And then Saquon shouldn't have gone as high as he did. I mean, I get it. I understand why people are excited about Saquon.

I would not have started Cook and Etienne, but you know me. I love the round four trio of Kamara, Mixon, Ken Walker, and I'm happy taking one of them i think that it was a perfect spot to either go to go taylor receiver or receiver receiver or just you like cooking etn fine but both of them that's way earlier than their adp i i wouldn't have done that scott but that's a hey you know what that's that's your team also go ahead here picking from 12 you're you got no chance of getting those two guys again. Exactly right.

So if Scott's got conviction on those two, you're not going to wait for them to get to you at 36, 37 because they're going to be gone. All right. Jonathan Taylor is Dave's pick. So you have Garrett Wilson and Jonathan Taylor. So you took him ahead of Jameer Gibbs. Is that a change for you in PPR? A little change just because of the hamstring injury. I think Taylor was the one guy that I put in front of Gibbs

after that happened. The next pick. Gibbs, then Pukunukua, those guys falling, then Marvin Harrison. And there we have our top seven. Oh, no. Who's the guy missing from the top 17? Kyron.

Kyron Williams. Right. I forgot about him at the one-two turn. We should just keep telling everybody who to pick during the draft so they'll just know who's coming next. Yeah, the guy at the one-two turn is definitely listening. I mean, that's fine. You know, obviously I expect them to listen.

All right, so we have Kyron Williams left, and let's see if he goes here. And we're waiting on Brad. We have Kyron Williams left, and let's see if he goes here. We're waiting on Brad. Brad's first pick was Amon Ross St. Brown. Right now, we have five teams who have made two selections. We have one running back, running back build. That's Cook and Etienne at 12-13,

and we have a Barkley-Marvin Harrison build. I'm sorry. We have a Jefferson-Puka. I was going to point out the Jefferson-Puka-Nakua build. We have a receiver-receiver build. And everyone else has gone running back-receiver. Boy, Jefferson Pukunuku is pretty enticing.

Not going to lie. We'll see what happens at running back. The funny thing... That's a little bit of buying the dip. We've talked about that as something that fantasy managers should always take advantage of. Three weeks ago, both those guys were first-round picks. You had no shot of getting both of them in a snake draft. And now here's an example of someone getting both of them.

And if they're right, and Jefferson's healthy, it's not like he's going to miss time. If they're right, that's the type of start that can win you a league. Derek Henry goes, all right, here's round two. ETN, John Taylor, John Taylor? Jamie Gibbs, Puka Nakua, Marvin Harrison Jr., Derek Henry, and then Kyron Williams falls to 19th. Isaiah Pacheco is our 20th pick.

And we'll pause things after the end of round two and sort of evaluate. But right now, you still have Olave in London and Devante Adams. You have that group of wide receivers. There's Olave going 21st overall to the team that took Bijan Robinson. We have a lot of receiver running back builds here so far. That's what you're going to see. That's going to be the most common build.

Oh, no. Heath did not take Devon Achan. Rob took Devon Achan. Brees Hall and Devon Achan for Rob. Heath, you're on see he's gonna be the most common bill oh no he did not take devon h and rob took devon h and breeze hall and devon h and for rob heath here on the clock with cd lamb really really hate picking at the end of round two um super duper hate it and i'm just i think i can maneuver this to where I get, we'll see if it works. I'm going to take Jalen Waddell. So I'll start with C.D. Lamb and Jalen Waddell. And I had a tough call yesterday.

I don't know how you guys feel about it, but Waddell versus Debo, just drafting right now, you know, but if IU gets traded, it's easily Debo. But if IU doesn't get traded, it's Waddell. Well, not for me, It was Waddle. I didn't know if I should take Debo just for that chance. I took Waddle, but, you know, Waddle goes 23rd. Cooper Cup goes 24th.

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I don't know if this is up yet. You can bid to be on Team Adam or Team Dan. Highest bid gets to co-manage a team with us in the Fantasy Football Today League, not the FFT Open. We have a league, Fantasy Football Today, Jamie, Dave, Heath, me, Dan, all the CBS people. You can co-manage with us.

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And the right to trade a pick in any round after round two. So, like, if I have the fourth pick and Dan has the eighth pick and up in round four, he can just swap. He gets the better pick if he beats me in tennis. You missed something. What? I think the win. Everybody plays everybody in this league, right?

Uh-huh. Whoever wins the tennis match gets the win that week, no matter what. No, we're not doing that. Look, we've already gone through this so much. I appreciate the suggestions. I can't make any changes to it. Yeah, you can.

Anyway, you can co-manage with me and Dan. That's going to be available. And you should bid more on the Dan team because he's probably going to win. I'm somewhat confident. He's extremely confident. I don't think he's going to beat me 6-0, 6-0, but 6-3, 6-3 seems more realistic. But hey, if I have a good day, I can beat him. Anyway, tinyurl.com slash draftathon2024. And we have some mock drafts for you to join. All right, let's take a look at the first two rounds. I appreciate the patience from everybody

that's drafting with us right now. Round, team one, McCaffrey and Cooper Cup. Good? Yeah. Fine. CeeDee Lamb and Jalen Waddle for Heath. Sucks. I would have, I wouldn't have taken waddle. And I think what he's doing is gambling that one of the running backs that he

would have settled for, we'll make it back to him in round three and that'll make him feel good about taking that running back in round three instead of round two. Yeah. If you had taken London instead of waddle, I would have been really good with it. Yeah. And I think like,

that's, that's probably by ADP, that is the consensus opinion. I just want to say that Drake London can have by far the best year of his career this year and not be anywhere close to as good as Jalen Waddle's been. I just don't like that Waddle's been out for a couple weeks, and his ceiling is capped as long as Tyreek Hill is on the field. I'm never personally taking Jalen Waddell with a top 30 pick, much less late round two. All right.

Rob took Brees Hall and Devon Achan. We'll see what he does. This has been kind of a running back heavy draft. It's another pick that is too soon for me is Achan. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 running backs. It's not terribly running back heavy. A little bit. Team four, Mark, Bijan 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 running backs. It's not terribly running back heavy. A little bit. Team 4, Mark, Bijan Robinson, and Chris Olave.

Team 5, Matthew, Tyreek Hill, and Isaiah Pacheco. I am older than Dan, by the way, to answer this question. Team 6 is Luca, Jamar Chase, and Kyron Williams. Team 7 is Brad, Amon Ross St. Brown and Derek Henry Saquon Barkley and Marvin Harrison for Team 8, Mike Team 9 is Johnny Justin Jefferson and Puka Nakua

That's awesome Team 10, Hayden AJ Brown and Jameer Gibbs I have to squint Dave Richard, Garrett Wilson and Jonathan Taylor at Team 11. That's probably the best. And James Cook and Travis Etienne at Team 12. My favorite so far is Chase and Kyron.

All right, let's get going with round three. Thank you for your patience to the people drafting. And Joe is on the clock with McCaffrey and Cooper Cup. Let's see what he does. No quarterbacks, no tight end so far through the first two rounds. And that's an important point to make. And I don't know if it's going to be that way in everybody's leagues at home, but

without question, you can find a quarterback later and you can find a tight end a little bit later than the first two rounds. Obviously, if it's super flex or if it's tight end premium, that'll be very different. But plan on waiting at least through your first two picks to get a tight end or a qb well kelsey went with the first pick of

round three oh heath going triple wide receiver in this two flex league you pass on london again you don't like drake london you know this where have you been i do know this it's okay he's allowed all right lamb waddle and mike Evans for you. Just to be clear, I'm ranking and projecting Drake London 25 spots higher than he's ever finished. I love Drake London. I'm expecting a breakout season from Drake London. I just think everyone else is insane.

No, Mike Evans was my highest ranked player at the end of round two. I didn't think that Jay, nobody else takes Mike Evans in round two. So I took Jalen Waddle and Mike Evans came back to me of round two. I didn't think that nobody else takes Mike Evans in round two. So I took Jalen Waddell and Mike Evans came back to me in round three. I have three of my top 13 wide receivers. So the guy who started his draft saying, I really need running backs. I'm really close to taking three running backs in a row.

You're effectively starting zero RB. I probably wish, I thought there would be better running backs than wide receivers available at the end of round two. And there weren't. So maybe I will go ahead and move Hall and Robinson ahead of Lamb. But also I can start four wide receivers. I'm okay if I have five of my first seven picks

are wide receivers. You could have, I guess, taken Josh Jacobs in round three. So that was a choice. He was not my highest rated running back. I'm looking at your rankings. Maybe that's because somebody has already taken Rashad White. Yep. Oh, sorry. Someone just took Rashad White. Okay. You would have taken Rashad White. Okay. Well, I'm assuming you have your fingers crossed that Kamara, Mixon, or Ken Walker will be available to you in round four? No.

Alright. Would you take them at 47 overall? Potentially, depending on if I've got about 15 players ranked higher than them right now. Okay. There goes Mixon. Alright, let's catch up on round three. Kelsey Evans, this huge wide receiver on five straight. Drake London, Devontae Adams, Michael Pittman, Debo Samuel,

then Rashad White to Brad, who has St. Brown, Derek Henry, and Rashad White. Nico Collins is the eighth pick of the round. Joe Mixon, 3.9. Sam Laporta, 3.10. And Dave, you're on the clock. I'll give you 30 more seconds. Appreciate it. Let me just take you through what I'm thinking.

So I started with a receiver and a running back with my first two picks. And that was done with supply and demand kind of in mind. There was Garrett Wilson and Puka and a bunch of running backs in round one. There wasn't a running back I preferred. I took Wilson. And then I got lucky with Jonathan Taylor in round two. Doing the exact same thing here. There are two receivers that I like with Ayuk and neighbors. I'm taking Ayuk, and there are at least three running backs that I would love to have in round four. And I know that the drafter who picked at the one-two turn took

two running backs already. So I'd be surprised if he even took a running back with his next two picks. I'm using his weaknesses against him. I took the receiver first and we'll see what happens next, but I feel pretty confident that I'll get Josh Jacobs at the top of my, uh, in round four, the second pick around four. Okay. Take Josh Jacobs, Scott. Yeah. I got three running. Oh, Josh Allen. He fooled me. I saw it was It was sneaky. All right, our first quarterback. So we do have two tight ends and one quarterback in round three. Kelsey at 3.1, Laporta at 3.10, and Allen, last pick of round three. And DK Metcalf goes to Scott. I've got to bring up another comment from the chat because I think this is a thing that people who played a lot of best ball

or consumed a lot of content over the summer probably thinks any adp that's not underdog just looks so weird that's accurate but you are right i think it's also maybe more indicative of what's going to happen in your non-underdog non-best ball league than underdog best ball ADP is. We're shaking off the best ball right now. We're getting redraft Normie, or as Dave calls them, casual ADP now. And you got to adjust a little bit. All right, Malik, neighbors just went. If you look at the wide receivers who have gone,

you got Ayuk, Metcalf, Neighbors. We still have Higgins, Pickens, Cooper, DJ Moore, Rasheed Rice, Tank Dell, Devontae Smith. Good names. Yeah, but do we have any—does Neighbors have the most upside in that group? Yes. Then who? There was a part of me that thought about taking neighbors over Jacobs just to have that upside and just to dominate with three receivers. But I really like Jacobs.

I think Pickens has more upside as of now. Who? Pickens. No, I don't see that. He thinks everyone has more upside. I don't know. It's okay. No. I don't understand like you think differently i'm not saying that i think that george pickens is a better wide receiver or a better prospect

or is has more dynasty upside but like these other guys don't have Daniel Jones throwing the football. Yeah. What about in best ball? Heath? What? No, not best ball. Yeah. I think on a,

like there, if there's a week where Malik neighbors gets to play against the giants corners and the defensive line is not allowed to touch Daniel Jones. Malik neighbors is probably going to score like 400 points. All right. Listen, he wouldn't be the first wide receiver to have a good year with a bad quarterback as bad as daniel jones it might be maybe maybe daniel jones could be better than you think because he's going to be throwing him a league neighbors he he could be there's definitely

that and there's also the offensive line that should be a little bit better i think he's well protected i think he can be are these words actually gonna come out of protected. I think he can be... Are these words actually going to come out of my mouth? I think he can be an average NFL quarterback. I want to say this because this could be the place where I'm really missing. I have read several publications that still have the Giants offensive line ranked 31st or 32nd. Yeah.

I think it's terrible. I, I think that they might, they, I've also seen a couple of say what Dave said. I'm going to reset on the clock that say that they, they are going to be better this year. I've seen more of the former than the latter. So I'm expecting them to be awful.

Okay. I'll give you the definitive. I'll give you the, they are going to, if they have Andrew Thomas, their left tackle is a big deal. He is the most important player on their offense. He missed a lot of games last year. If he plays a full season, they will be better. They should be better. They upgraded. They brought in new players. I hope they don't even

bother with Evan Neal at right tackle, but they're still going to be, they're still going to have a bad offensive line. That's my opinion. But if you have a franchise left tackle, maybe it could be average. Now I think we're done talking about the giants here and let's recap round four as soon as joe makes his last pick he took james connor 48th overall and let's see we still oh man man running backs really like the best the best running back in heath's rankings is giovante williams and we're only 48 picks in. This is remaining. In Jamie's, it's David Montgomery.

In Dave's, it's Zemir White. So, yeah, all of the Camara, Mixon, Walker group is out, and so is James Conner, who usually has a fifth-round ADP. He goes to the last pick of round four, so it's fine. We had three quarterbacks come off the board. We have three tight ends off the board. Mark Andrews is going to get picked soon. He's definitely falling here. In the next

two picks, I bet. Yeah. This is another one of those instances where I was on the clock. Patrick Mahomes and Mark Andrews were the top two players available on my board at pick 47. The other guy took Travis Kelsey with the first pick of round three. So I took Patrick Mahomes.

I'll take Mark Andrews next. We are officially in zero RB territory. Oh, wow. Okay. But I have, in my opinion, an elite quarterback, an elite tight end, and three top 13 wide receivers.

I love it. You have Lamb, Waddle, Evans, and Mahomes. Round four was Metcalf, Jacobs, Neighbors, Kamara, Devontae Smith, Trey McBride, Ken Walker, T. Higgins, DJ Moore, Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes, and James Conner. I don't want to talk about dj moore here this is where he's gonna go this is where that's about where i have him yeah all right

you're good there i you know there you might see him going late round three in a couple of leagues i used to think that that was the spot for him now i think that that might be a little too soon okay i i just i feel like i may be underrating him seems like he's got a pretty good connection going with caleb williams yeah but he's not going to get every connection no no okay fair so we'll look for him we'll look for dj more mid to late round four and t higgins went earlier than normal yeah i was about to like it i don't i don't want to start adam off on a diatribe, but I would have taken more over Higgins. I like T. Higgins right there, but he is almost always available in round five or six. Makes me feel a little bit better about being so wide

receiver heavy if the guys that I normally get, like Adam, you've talked about a lot, those round five and six wide receivers that we like. When. And when we're drafting with people who listen to us, they may go before we get to there, but I'll go ahead and stop talking and draft Mark Andrews here. Love it. Love this team. All right. Keith,

did you have any thought about pickings there instead of Andrews? Nope. I think Mark Andrews, I think Mark Andrews should have been picked 15 picks ago. So I basically have Kelsey. I'm not in this order, but Kelsey, Laporta, McBride, and Andrews all at the 3-4 turn. I'm going to ask you, so looking at your team, Lamb, you pick second. Lamb, then Waddle, then Mike Evans, that's your top three.

And then you get Mark Andrews in round five. Okay, instead of Andrews or Mahomes, okay, let's just say you take Andrews in round five. Instead of Andrews or Mahomes, let's just say you take Mahomes in round four. Would you rather have Mike Evans and Mark Andrews or Rashad White and George Pickens, and then no tight end in this range? Yeah, I don't, I don't probably, we'll see what happens in the next two rounds of picks before I pick again,

but probably what I've got, because I don't think we're going to see Dalton or Kincaid or George Kittle available. And so I think the difference between Mark Andrews and what I might get at tight end is, is going to be bigger than the difference between Rashad white. Cause I'm also, I've got Evans over Pickens, which is a pretty big difference in my book. Okay.

So yeah, it's, that's two positions worse to make one position better. Okay. Makes sense. There's only thing that like, cause there's not a running back that I would have taken instead of Evans. There's not a running back that i would have taken instead of evans there's not a running back i would have taken instead of waddle the only thing would be if i had taken breezehole instead of cd lamb okay fair round five almost in the books here we'll uh try to wrap this up here let me recap lamar jackson mark andrews mar jack Jackson was QB4. Mark Andrews was tight end 4. Dalton Kincaid.

No, wait. Yeah. Dalton Kincaid tight end 5. Yep. Stefan Diggs. Zemir White. Aaron Jones. Do we like those picks?

Zemir White and Aaron Jones in round 5 as the 2nd and 3rd running backs for the teams that drafted them. I'm fine with both of them as RB2s, but I would have hoped that Jones had fallen another round later. Zamir White in round five, I'm okay with. Yeah, I don't. I do not like Aaron Jones as an RB2 or in round five. Okay. I wonder if, as we get through five rounds, only four quarterbacks off the board.

I'm going to let Dave talk about the pick he just made. Sorry to who's on the clock here. Caden, just hang on a moment. I wonder if the fact that we have two flexes here is making the quarterbacks drop a little bit. But let me keep going in round five. So it was Jackson, Andrews, Kincaid, Diggs, Zamir White, Aaron Jones,

George Pickens went right in the middle of round five. That's a guy who only now has two wide receivers. Brad has Amon Ross St. Brown, Derek Henry, Rashad White, Trey McBride, and George Pickens. George Kittle was the next pick. Amari Cooper, Tank Dell, Calvin Ridley to Dave, and Jaden Reed. Scott.

Scott then took Rasheed Rice. Great pick. Yeah, this is the guy who went- Huge value. Cooking ETN with his first two picks, then Josh Allen. So he also has a pretty interesting build. Josh Allen, round three, then wide receivers at four, and then at the 5-6 turn.

DK Metcalf, Jaden Reed, Rasheed Rice. Dave, the Ridley pick surprised me a little bit there. And then you took David Montgomery. Why'd you take Calvin Ridley to now give you Garrett Wilson, Jonathan Taylor, Brandon Ayuk, Josh Jacobs, Calvin Ridley, and David Montgomery? Picking 11th, you have now three running backs and three wide receivers.

So I like that I've got a balanced build and it keeps me open to whatever I want to do with my next pick. I was, I was debating Ridley versus Rice actually, and trying to figure out which guy might team 12 prefer. And I would think that it would be Ridley just because he seems to be a little bit more of a high upside play, maybe more volatile than Rasheed Rice. As good as Rice is in late round five and early round six, there's still flaws to him. The fact that this receiving core added talent, the fact that he's still not running deep routes, at least he didn't in their first preseason game. It made me just a little bit more standoffish. I want to get a little bit more upside from my wide receiver three.

So I think Ridley could deliver that. But that being said, I would have been all over Rice in round six. Rice got picked. So I settled for Montgomery to be my RB3. I like the Montgomery pick a lot. Shrey asked if I would have still gone with three wide receivers to start

if this was not PPR. No, no, no. Definitely would have taken Brees Hall at pick number two. All right. We've got some more picks coming off the board here in round six. Rasheed Rice, David Montgomery, Zay Flowers. Oh, look at the firepower at wide receiver that Caleb,

that Caden has. I really can't read. I'm sorry. It's too far away. Put your glasses on. Don't be a wuss. That wouldn't really help too much, but he's got A.J. Brown,

then Jameer Gibbs, Sam Laporta, and then Malik Neighbors, Tank Dell, Zay Flowers. Explosive players there. That's a fun team at Team 10. A.J. Brown, Jameer Gibbs,

Sam Laporta, Malik Neighbors, Tank Dell, Zay Flowers. Evan Ingram was the fourth pick of the round by Johnny. Chris Godwin, Christian Kirk, Kyle Pitts. Godwin and Kirk feel pretty similar, right?

I moved Godwin ahead of Kirk. I did too. And it's not because Kirk with the calf injury. It's Godwin's healthy. And thinking about Liam Cohen, and this is something that I guess we should have thought about months ago, but now it seems to be playing out. He came from LA. He knows that that offensive scheme can be very lethal.

If Godwin's moving into the slot, is he not playing the Cooper Cup role? And if he's playing the Cooper Cup role, that could mean a lot of catches, plenty of yards, and maybe even a big threat in the red zone like Cooper Cup is now. So I'm much more interested now that I've thought about it. Now that Godwin's gotten through training camp and he seems to be just fine. Now that Liam Cohen seems like a, maybe even a better fit for Tampa than Dave Canales was. We've been talking about Dave Canales for a year. Now Liam Cohen might be better for them. I'm encouraged by it.

And I like the idea of waiting for Godwin in round six. This is the perfect time to get them. Not everybody's chasing him. Do not forget about Chris Godwin in your drafts. Okay. We're waiting for one more pick here. Round six is in the books. We're going to recap it after this break. We will be right back on fantasy football today. We're back. We're into round seven of a 14 round draft. We're going to have to pick up the pace a little bit here, but round six was where she rice, David Montgomery, Zay flowers, Evan Ingram, Chris Godwin, Christian Kirk, Kyle pits, Najee Harris, CJ Stroud, Deontay Johnson, Tony Pollard, and Terry McLaurin. And one of the things I love is, is when you analyze a draft and after, let's see, like the sixth pick of round five, you analyze a draft and you see where running back value

is better than wide receiver value, and then it swings the other way. And after Zemir White and Aaron Jones were taken in the middle of round five, we get this run, Pickens. I won't read the other positions, since you do have some tight ends in there, but Pickens, Amari Cooper, Dell, Ridley, Reed, Rice, then David Montgomery, Flowers, Godwin, Christian Kirk,

Najee Harris, Deontay Johnson, then Tony Power, Terry McLaurin. You get a stretch of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 wide receivers compared to three running backs in that stretch. And round six, you know, this is a pretty solid, this is definitely wide receiver three territory. For some people, it's wide receiver four in this draft, or at least for one. But it's not bad, right?

I mean, it's not bad to have Rasheed Rice, Zay Flowers, Chris Godwin, Christian Kirk, Deontay Johnson, or Terry McLaurin as your third wide receiver in a 12-team league. Am I right? Am I wrong? That's about right. Yeah, it's good.

I liked, I liked the value here and I kudos to the people drafting for not reaching for the running backs here. I don't think you want to be taking Jalen Warren over Terry McLaurin or else that'll be pretty boring. And let's go to round seven. You know, your rhymes are making me snoring.

Yeah, I don't. You take Warren over McLaurin. I don't know. It's they're close. I'm just trying to think that you're saying that McLaurin has more upside without an injury. Yes,

absolutely. I mean, what if Jalen Warren just like week three becomes his best friend? Let's go again. Three years in a row. Come on. No, I mean, it's not you. I mean, I felt like you're always want to say like every every week people say Jalen Warren is going to be the lead running back.

It never happens. That's kind of Jalen Warren. That was full PPR was was better than Najee last year. He was. He started off the year better than Najee once they had a coordinator change kind of took over. If you want to talk about best friends, Terry McLaurin is Jaden Daniels' best friend, and Jaden Daniels threw the ball mostly awesome

against the Dolphins in practice on Thursday. I think McLaurin is set up for a career year. Raheem, so now, okay, after that stretch of 11 wide receivers to three running backs the next four picks of the first four picks of round seven are running backs mostert giovante uh remandre and deandre raheem mostert giovante williams remandre stevenson deandre swift uh dave your thoughts on that group of four actually heath your thoughts because you took one of them javante williams yeah i um well i i mean it was really five out of six picks because

i took pollard right before that as well um i think we we see here the the thinning out the ending of the rb2 range and whether you think most belongs in that or not probably depends on how age and injury averse you are but these guys for me at least it's like my last four running backs amongst the top 24 i still think there's quite a bit of upside for tony pollard if he looks like he did in that first preseason game i still think there's quite a bit of upside for Javante Williams in the Sean Payton offense. Yep. If he's getting 60% of the touches, we know what Swift can be on an inconsistent basis. And we know what Mostert can do in that Miami Dolphins offense. For me, having started off with three wide receivers, a quarterback, and a tight end, I feel pretty fortunate to also be able to draft two running backs that I have ranked in the top 20.

Okay. And are you going to, with Pollard and Javante Williams in round six and seven as the first running backs on your team, are you going to look at Spears and, I don't even know if Spears is yeah he has not been picked Spears and or like Jaleel McLaughlin at any point are they priorities for you I will not elevate them like if they happen to be the top running back available my rankings when I pick I will take them okay round seven Mostert Gervonta Ramondre Stevenson DeAndre Swift you know that look at this quarterback value quarterbacks really fell in this draft. I mean, CJ Stroud went with the ninth pick of round six, and then Anthony Richardson goes 7.5. Next pick is Kyler Murray, then Brian Robinson, and then Joe Burrow. So you get Richardson, Kyler Murray, and Joe Burrow all in the middle of round seven. Jonathan Brooks to Johnny,

Keenan Allen, and then Dave took Christian Watson. And the last pick of the round was Ladd McConkie. And then Scott, who took McConkie, started off round eight with Jalen Warren. And then Dave, who did you take? You took Jalen. Okay, so that's a high upside swing there in a PPR league. Probably not high catch guys, though.

Christian Watson and Jamison williams i gotta work on my swinging form i i'm going after upside with these picks in round seven and eight as you should the other option would be is there a tight end that i'd like the answer was no ferguson was there um i i have a new tight end in mind for a late round pick, and I'm going to take him in this draft. The best quarterbacks left were Dak, Jordan Love. Yeah, wasn't ready to take them either. I'm ready to settle for a quarterback in round nine or later in my drafts. So just continuing to stockpile talent and hopefully have at least one breakout receiver between Williams and Watson. And if Ridley doesn't return value when I took him,

then that breakout receiver can be my wide receiver three. So what did you think about maybe taking Jake Ferguson here? Because we do have eight tight ends off the board. And you're such a Bowers guy that he's a fun... Oh, Bowers, I didn't realize is your highest ranked tight end. Yeah. So no tight end yet. You threw eight rounds.

No. And Ferguson is certainly in the mix too, but I know that I can wait for Bowers because not everybody is ready to rush for a rookie Raider tight end. Like I said before, there's a sleeper tight end that went on my radar that I think I'm going to take him. Are we drafting defenses and kickers? Ben Sinnott? Right team, wrong guy.

Zach Ertz? Zach Ertz. Whoa. Okay. I'm not taking Zach Ertz now. I'm taking Zach Ertz with my last possible pick. And I think it's worth remembering that

Zach Ertz, as recently as last year, before he got hurt in week seven, the first six weeks of the season, he was pretty close to 10 fantasy points per game, wasn't he? He was Trey McBride. Well, without

doing anything after he caught the ball um he just caught it and fell down every time which was fine um oh this is a tough decision i'm going to uh i'm going to shoot the moon here a little bit for the third time in this draft and we'll see if joe is it joe john, Jim. Team one, Joe. Make me feel bad about it. David, I'm going to have Brian Thomas here. I'm really kind of surprised that he's still available at the end of round eight. Yeah, Brian Thomas is another big-time riser.

Did great in practice. Obviously, in the game, we saw him have a big catch from C.J. Beathard. Earlier in that same game. He beat his man. I just didn't get the target. Seems to have turned the light on for Jacksonville and does have a chance to be their number one receiver this year. And then what was I talking about before that? Zach hurts. Oh yeah.

And the last time he was with Cliff Kingsbury, he was seeing all kinds of targets. Yeah. So I think, I think you're probably going to see Zach hurts like catch six passes a game for 55 yards, maybe 45. There isn't a reliable second option in that passing game.

And I don't, they're, they're searching for one. I asked Dan Quinn about it yesterday and maybe I was expecting him to say something about Jahan Dotson. He did not mention the Dotson he did not mention Dotson as the first or second name out of his mouth the first name out of his mouth was Alameda Zaccheaus and then he mentioned Deami Brown and Brown is who caught that deep ball from Jayden

Daniels I don't think they're going to have an answer at wide receiver two that's going to be helpful for fantasy I think Ertz is going to be that guy and Ertz didn't practice he wasn't there his wife had a baby so he was excused. He won't play in the preseason game. But he knows what Cliff Kingsbury wants from him. I have been told that he and Jane Daniels have had a good connection in camp. The reports aren't negative on Ertz. The value is it's one of those guys that you're just going to take late and say,

what the heck? There's no downside. I burn a pick with round 12 or whatever. So Ertz is now on my radar as a tight end of the season. It does not have to be round 12, though. Honestly, it could be your last pick. It could be, yeah. I've never seen Zach Ertz get drafted in our 12-team leagues.

Not that I recall. Okay. All right, round eight is done, and it's Jalen Warren, Jamison Williams, Zach Moss, Marquise Brown. I am dying to see the Bengals' offense and how they use Moss and Brown. Moss missed last week with an illness, but I think they're all playing this week.

So, again, it's Warren, Williams, Jamison Williams, Zach Moss, Marquise Brown, Devin Singletary, Jaden Daniels. Jaden Daniels, that's QB what? QB nine off the board? I don't know. I can't do the counting right now. But still, Dak Prescott's still there. Cortland Sutton, Xavier Worthy, Jake Ferguson,

Jackson Smith and Jigba, Brian Thomas, Chase Brown ends round eight. But again, this is that range of wide receiver that's really fun to be a part of. You get some high upside guys, whether it's JSN, whether it's one of those rookies. We just saw Keon Coleman go. And then Chase Brown was the last pick of round eight. Nick Chubb, first pick of round nine. Dave last pick of round eight, Nick Chubb, first pick around nine.

Dave, is that too early for Nick Chubb? I, I don't hate it. It's not, I think I probably would have had a different player in mind for that, but if we're going to chalk it up to, well, you're not going to be able to get them when you're up again with the last

pick of round 10, then, uh, then yeah, taking them at that point is fine. So sometimes you make, lookie, look, what just fell into my lap in round nine, then, uh, then yeah, taking them at that point is fine. So sometimes you make lookie, look, what just fell into my lap in round nine, pick 11, 107th overall. I pass on quarterback in early round eight and Jordan love is still on the board. And

the team that's picking after, after me has Josh Allen and I I'm going to dare them to take Jordan love. I will take my tight end, Brock Bowers, and then get Jordan Love with my next pick. And if they take Jordan Love, then I'll just say, well, it's a mock. I don't care. It doesn't really matter. So sometimes you make the wrong bet, but you're still okay.

TyJ Spears was my highest-ranked player. At the end of round eight, Adam had asked if I was going to take him. Well, he's my highest rating player so sure but i saw that joe had three running backs and only two wide receivers and i thought well he won't take a running back here so i'll take brian thomas jr joe took two running backs but he didn't but he didn't take ty j spears so i've got brian thomas jr and ty j spears i'll recap round nine in a minute actually Actually, I'm going to pause the draft here. I do think that there's some merit to this.

Remember, I did this in a pick-by-pick. I had an RB1, and then I took James Conner, and then I was pretty weak at running back death, but my running back three was Trey Benson. And I kind of think there's some merit now. Look, Benson, maybe his stock is down a little bit since then. But of just, like, locking up a couple of backfields, if you go with a hero or zero RB strategy

and not really having great depth, but saying, I'm going to start this guy every week. I don't need the running back depth. If he gets hurt, I have his backup. So like if you came out of this draft with Pollard, Javante Williams, and Tajay Spears, that's who you have through nine rounds. They were your sixth, seventh, and ninth round picks.

And then you take McMillan, let's say in round 11. I mean, I don't think that's so bad. I know that you only- You meant McLaughlin, right? Yeah, sorry, McLaughlin. Okay. Jaleel McLaughlin. I don't think that's so bad.

I'm not saying you should, but I think that there's something to that. I wish it were a little bit more clear that you should just go up with a name for this strategy where you draft the backup of your starter. I think you may have found something. Okay, but I'm saying that you make your entire running back strategy

handcuffing backfields. You just have no backfield. It's not something that you set out to do, but in a zero RB build, it might be better than like a guy that has very little, I don't know. You're just saying, I'm fine with starting these two backfields every week, whether it's a starter or the backup. I have them both. I'm starting the backfield.

Yeah, you could do that. You don't like it. I'm just not going to pass on a player that I like more to make it happen. If it happens to fall in my lap like it did with Tajay Spears, like remember when Tony Pollard and Tajay Spears were going in the same round? Yeah. And now I take Pollard in round six and Spears in round nine. Well, yeah, I love taking Tajay Spears in there, but I wasn't going to reach for him in round seven to make it happen. Let me recap round eight for everybody. It was actually round nine, round nine.

Sorry, because we've done round eight. But in case you want to hear round eight again, you probably don't remember it. Jalen Warren, Jamison Williams, Zach Moss, Marquise Brown, Devin Singletary, Jaden Daniels, Cortland Sutton, Xavier Worthy, Jake Ferguson, JSN, Brian Thomas, Chase Brown. And you got to notice one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine quarterbacks off the board through the first eight rounds.

We still had Dak Prescott. We still had Jordan Love, Caleb Williams, Brock Purdy. Let's see what round nine looked like. Nick Chubb, Tajay Spears, Khalil Shakir, Zach Charbonnet, not to the Ken Walker manager. DeAndre Hopkins, Keon Coleman, Josh Palmer, Austin Eckler, Dak Prescott, Rico Dowdle, Brock Bowers, and Jerome Ford. Is Rico Dowdle 10th pick of round nine? Is that too early? That's after pick 100.

It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. That answer might change at any point in the next two and a half weeks, but for now, it's fine. All right, Dave, you can pick Jordan Love. I'm still taking Zeke over Dowdle. I know I'm probably the only one, but for now it's fine. All right, Dave, you can pick. Still taking Zeke over Dowdle. I know I'm probably the only one, but as long as Jerry Jones is in church, as long as Jerry Jones is coaching that team.

Uh, all right. I'm going to, I'm going to take love, but I'm, I'm doing something that I've done before in our pick by pick and I, I don't love it. I'm, I'm kind of overweight on green Bay. I've done before in our pick by pick and I don't love it. I'm, I'm kind of overweight on green Bay. I've got Jacobs. I drafted Watson. Watson's in a spot on my team where he doesn't have to start, but now I've got Jordan love on top of that. I might just have too many Packers. I might be too high on the Packers insert Chicago iron irony comment here. So this isn't something that I love to do. It's not

something that I recommend where you load up on one team, but in the event that you do load up on a team, make it a team that you're comfortable with believing in as being one of the best offenses in the league. I do think the Packers are going to be one of the better offenses in the league. I have a question, by the way, as we're starting to get to this point in the draft. Should we be taking Jordan Mason ahead of Elijah Mitchell? When it's this late, I don't have a problem with it. But the only thing is you might be drafting somebody that you're cutting before week one.

McCaffrey's ready week one. Elijah Mitchell's ready week one. You might not carry Jordan Mason on your bench you believe that Mitchell is still the number two running back there because there's a lot of Jordan Mason buzz there's definitely Jordan Mason buzz he's definitely made progress on being a better fit and what the 49ers are doing but I don't know I don't know if that means that he's guaranteed to have that spot. He might have that spot for literally the first couple of weeks of the season until Elijah Mitchell's fine. Really what we need to hope for is that Christian McCaffrey is fine and that it doesn't really matter who you get with that pick.

But if you're going to speculate on Mason, that's fine. It's the, it's almost the same type of speculation as, well, maybe Khalil Herbert gets traded. So I'll take him with a late pick. It better be one of your last picks. Okay. All right, round 10 so far. Trey Benson, Jordan Love, Blake Corum. Here's a hero RB team from Caden, pick 10.

AJ Brown, Jameer Gibbs, Sam Laporta, Malik Neighbors, Tank Dell, Zay Flowers, Keenan Allen. That's an interesting pick, that Keenan Allen pick, because that was his fifth receiver. You can only start four. Then he went Zach Moss, Rico Dowdle, and Blake Corum. Does not have a quarterback. I really like this team, though. I love A.J. Brown, Jameer Gibbs, Sam Laporta, Malik Neighbors,

Tank Dell, Zay Flowers. I love that. Maybe not everybody does. And then Zach Moss, Rico Dowdle, Blake Corum. If you just look at Moss and Dowdle, you could certainly do worse than that in rounds eight and nine. So I think that's a good team. Just you don't have a quarterback. So we'll see what happens there for C Caden who had the 10th overall pick.

Well, if we pencil in one of Brock Purdy to a tongue of Iloa or Caleb Williams, two of them, I think, I think you can get an idea of what type of quarterback he'll have.

And I, yeah, it's a, it's a good build. I mean, the one thing is, is neighbors going to perform like Adam and I think he's going to perform

or like Heath is going to think he performs? Well, let's say he neighbors. If Malik neighbors and tank Dell perform the way that he thinks that they will, then the neighbors pick is bad. But the Dell pick is great. Right. That's right about where I have Dell, I think. But maybe like eight spots after he's around wide receiver. The thing I thought when I looked at that team was

it went really wide receiver heavy. I'm not sure there's a number two wide receiver on the team. I just wish Keenan Allen would have been a quarterback there like Jaden Daniels. No, I would have taken Joe Burrow there. No, Burrow wouldn't have made it to him. Burrow was picked before Keenan Allen was. Yeah, Daniels, Dak Prescott, something like that.

He could have taken Daniels where he took Keenan Allen. Would have felt like a reach there. But at the same time, Allen figures to probably be his safety net at receiver if Dell, Flowers, and Neighbors just are way too inconsistent it's not we had a comment in the chat predicting that brian thomas jr was going to outscore malik neighbors this year and i was wondering what type of odds i can get on that if i take the thomas side going in we go in per game here yeah fantasy points per game oh i'll give you i'll give you three to one on that oh i would take that in a way take that in a heartbeat the animation the thing that we're putting three to

one on and yes yeah i mean i okay never mind i bet two to one uh thank you i was thinking it might be like plus 130 but i think it's not. Two to one sounds great. No, I think it's somewhere in between plus 130. What did Brian Thomas do that got everybody excited? He caught a deep ball. Is he going to do anything else? He's a first round. It wouldn't be that surprising if a guy taking, what, 19th overall

was better than the guy taking 9th overall? Was he taking? 6th or whatever? He was 6th. 6th overall? Sixth or whatever? It was sixth. Neighborhood was sixth. I'll push around rookie and wide receiver pretty close to a coin flip anyway. If Thomas comes up head, neighbors comes up tails.

That's such a... But you know there's such a huge difference in their prospect evaluation. Yes. Can we just... Still, I don't think... They were teammates and Malik Neighbors was like a million times better than him.

I don't think that there is a great correlation between being drafted top 10 and 10 through 20. There is some, but in terms of like producing fantasy points, especially as a rookie, like how much does that difference matter versus the difference between Trevor Lawrence and Daniel Jones? I think that Brian Thomas is the four is fourth in targets on that team. Third at best. And he is,

I mean, I think you should draft him where you drafted him because I obviously recognize how talented he is and how much upside there is. Right. I mean, he beat somebody deep. That's what he does. He did that in the preseason game.

He did that in the joint practice and people were going nuts. But the other key to it was he beat somebody deep and the ball was thrown to where he was. I get it. Daniel Jones is bad. You've made that point, and I'm not arguing that. You make that point every shot.

Also, there was a report that Gabe Davis is going to be the chain mover for the Jaguars. I think we're overlooking him. He's not going to be a great player. He's like my last pick in fantasy drafts, but he could easily out-target Brian Thomas. It wouldn't surprise me. No one's out-targeting Malik Nabors on the Giants.

No one. I think what happened was that Brian Thomas and Dave, you can tell me if you're plugged in. I think Brian Thomas had some struggles the first two, three weeks of training camp, and that stuff, some stuff came out about, you know, Gabe Davis is ahead of him and he's fourth on the pecking order. And I think the last week to 10 days, it clicked.

And Brian Thomas Jr. Looks like a completely different player. Completely different might be too strong, but otherwise I'm pretty much on board with what you said. I would put the odds at plus 190 that Brian Thomas will have a better year than Malik Naib. I'm on board with what you said, too. I don't want to make this like I hate Brian

Thomas, but there are obstacles for Brian Thomas, I think, more so than Naibers, because I'd rather be the number one target with a bad quarterback than number three or four. And I,

I think he's number three or four. If you think he can overtake Ingram or Kirk, then fine. I look at Thomas differently, but I guess I'm just not the high guy. No, I think, I think you're,

you're probably right. I think the other part of that equation, and this is a place where I could just could be completely wrong. Um, I don't actually of that equation, and this is a place where I could just be completely wrong. I don't actually believe that the Giants are going to throw a lot of passes. We have an auto-pick problem here. Scott, I'm giving you

one last chance. No, we don't need to worry about auto-picks in round 12 of a mock draft. He just took back-to-back tight ends. We're not good picks. I'm going to make this pick for him if he doesn't. Does he have a quarterback? He does have a quarterback. Pretty sure you may have ignored

an auto-pick that happened on the other corner for a guy that took two picks in a row. He did? Yeah. I didn't notice that. Just give Scott Jerry Judy and send him on his way.

He took Troy Franklin. You might as well give him Jerry Judy. Yeah, Franklin give Scott, Jerry, Judy, and send them on his way. All right. It's a Troy Franklin. You might as well. Yeah. Franklin, not really having a great camp. Dave takes more Sean Lloyd, Dave. You want backup for Jacobs?

I think the two tight ends, especially for a guy that didn't have any, probably was a better plan. Yeah, I think probably was, but it's not who he wanted. Troy Franklin. I know there was some preseason buzz.

It's worth noting. He's really not someone that you should be drafting right now, I would say. You guys can disagree if you want. It made sense coming in with Bo Nix. He seemed to fit that system, but he's pretty low on the depth chart right now, Troy Franklin. Marshawn Lloyd, Jalen Wright is drafted.

There was a report from Adam Beasley. Yeah, Beasley, who used to cover the Dolphins. He said Jalen Wright's going to have a role in this offense. Yep. And I think, you know what, let's stop Cole Kometa. I'm just going to stop picking for this guy who's been auto-drafted, who's been absent for the last eight rounds. I've been making picks for him. I'm just going to let that auto-pick.

I'm going to stop going through the draft picks now, and we're going to start talking about some teams. So, team one. In a two-receiver, two-running back, two-flex league with a tight end and a quarterback, no defense, no kickers, Christian McCaffrey, Cooper Cup, Travis Kelsey, and then James Conner. Those are your first four picks. You've got a 28-year-old running back. You've got a 29-year-old running back, James Conner. You've got a 62-year-old tight end in Travis Kelsey and a

31-year-old. I may be getting the... I think Kelsey's 35 and Cup's 31. Is that too much... Kelsey will be 35. Kelsey will be 35. Is that too much risk? McCaffrey, Cup, Kelsey, Conner. And yes, a lot of alliteration there. I think if you're okay with their ages then

you just you overlook it and you move forward but i'm asking people prefer experience like he also took raheem mostert and nick chubb there's a lot of experience on this roster i'm not sure you can overestimate like these guys have seen some things well here's a here's a mistake oh okay well the problem is go ahead heath no i gotta just wrap this one up because i must have missed that auto pick you're right at the eight nine turn because joe only had two wide receivers at the eight nine turn and he went chase chase brown nick chubb no the auto pick i was talking about was antanio gibson tyler lockett at the next turn well he waited too long at receiver, I think. I mean, he only had to start two.

He basically ignored it. I know, but don't you want a little bit of depth? You don't want Tyler Lockett to be your number three. Of course. He went crazy on running backs, and now he's got to get receivers with his last few picks. There are some receivers that are interesting late in drafts, but having Tyler Lockett as your wide receiver three,

I would say is not very ideal. He could have had Khalil Shakir when he took Nick Chubb. He could have had Hopkins then. He could have had Keon Coleman then, Josh Palmer then. And then round 10, he could have had Dobbs. He missed the boat on receivers for sure. In defense, he is clearly planning on starting four running backs every week. And they would be McCaffrey, Connor, Mostert, Chase Brown, Nick Chubb.

So if that's the case, he really only has two backup running backs, and one of them is Nick Chubb, who's not going to be ready for the start of the year. Yeah, it's just like you got to plan for injuries and bye weeks and stuff like that, and you got to have a little bit of depth at wide receiver. I don't know why he just took tight ends two and three on his roster when he had Travis Kelsey though. I don't think those were auto picks. I don't see the auto pick button. He took Schultz and Hawkinson. He already has Kelsey. Those needed to be wide receivers. Uh, but when

you take Kelsey in round three and Lamar Jackson around five, you know, you're, you're probably going to be a little weak somewhere, but you're hoping to dominate at quarterback and tight end. Heath went zero RB. He took no running backs until round six, and then he took six running backs with his next seven picks. Nice job, Dave. He has Lamb, Waddell, and Evans. He has Mahomes and Andrews, and he was pretty happy about that.

And then Tony Pollard and Javante Williams. Starting lineup of Mahomes, Pollard, Javante, Mark Andrews at tight end, Lamb, Waddle, Evans, and then... We'll see. Yeah, Brian Thomas, Tajay Spears. I'm not committing to anybody. The competition's wide open for flex, too. Brian Thomas, Tajay Spears, Ty Chandler,

Ezekiel Elliott, Braylon Allen, and then you took Caleb Williams as a second quarterback. What's wrong with starting both Titans running backs? Yeah, what'd you do? I might. We'll see. I have to. Well, I might start Brian Thomas and just my second flex might just be a weekly lottery ticket.

That's true. You're right. Okay. Rob went with Brees Hall and Devon Achan, and then he did not take another running back until round seven. And in that process, he grabbed a tight end and a quarterback. So Brees Hall, Devon Achan, Drake London, Jalen Hurts, Dalton Kincaid, and Deontay Johnson.

That's his first six picks. Ramondre Stevenson, Jackson Smith, and Jigba. So that would give him a starting lineup of Hertz and Kincaid, Brees Hall, A-Chan, London, Deontay Johnson, Ramondre Stevenson, Jackson Smith, and Jigba.

Personally, I would have gone McLaurin over Deontay, but they went back to back, so whatever. I would too, but they're kind of two peas in a pod. I don't hate this team. I know we don't like A-Chan in round two, but he was the last running back taken for like 10 picks. Yeah, I don't know.

I think I probably would have gone... I would have taken White ahead of him. I would have taken Jacobs ahead of him. I would have taken Jacobs ahead of him. Jacobs. Yeah. I would have gone. And I might've taken Ken Walker ahead of him too. And then Jacobs in round three.

Yeah. Yeah. Not bad. Good. No, the rest of the team is pretty good. Good bench too. He's got Shakir,

Addison, Dobbs, Roshan Johnson, Elijah Mitchell, a good bench receivers anyway. All right. Next team, team four is Mark Bijan Robinson, Elijah Mitchell. Good bench receivers, anyway. All right, next team, Team 4 is Mark, Bijan Robinson, Chris Olave,

Devontae Adams. Look at this. This is a fun build. This is running back, four receivers, quarterback. And to get DeAndre Swift as your RB2 in round 7, not bad. Bijan Robinson, Chris Olave, Devontae Adams, DJ Moore, Stefan Diggs. CJ Stroud in round six. Good value.

DeAndre Swift in round seven. Jake Ferguson in round eight. I think I kind of love this team. Zach Charbonnet and Khalil Herbert because he has Swift. And then Jacoby Myers and Jerry Judy. All right, starting line. I love this team. CJ Stroud and Jake Ferguson.

Bijan and Swift. And then probably starting four wide receivers. Olave, Adams, DJ Moore, Stefan Biggs. He's 100% starting four receivers. Anybody else love this team? It's a great team. It's a great build. This is hero RB.

And he waited a little bit and got great value at quarterback, got good value at tight end, got some nice depth. Uh, this is the way that I probably would prefer to build a team. You start with one running back hammer receivers after that, wait for good value on quarterback. Remember you're trying to steal him away from the rest of your league. Late round six on Stroud exactly that um yeah this is a good team i'm a big fan of mark so adam i've got a question yeah you get a choice you can have your pick jalen hertz or patrick mahomes and your pick rashi rice or is a. So who are your favorites of those groups? I'm going to go with Mahomes and Rice in PPR. Mahomes and Rice or CJ... No, no. Mahomes and

Flowers. Mahomes and Flowers or CJ Stroud and DJ Moore. Stroud and Moore. Really? Yeah. On the breakout show, you and... Oh, Heath, you auto-picked? Oh, no, someone else auto-picked. On the breakout show,

you guys were kind of poo-pooing the Stroud breakout, but I very much see it. I think he's terrific and got a great offensive system, arguably the best wide receivers in football. Yeah. I'm in. How about you, Stroud and Moore or Mahomes and Flowers?

I'd say Hertz and Flowers or Mahomes and Rice, any of those, any combination of those I would prefer because I don't have a big difference between Moore and Rice at all. Dave? Sorry. I get what Heath's saying. have a big difference between more and rice at all. Dave. Sorry. I get what he's saying. I,

I, I think I'd rather have hurts and rice as well, but that's not to say that I don't like Stroud and I it's, I have a hard time making an argument against Stroud. It's why I still have him ahead of Anthony Richardson. And Anthony Richardson is more upside than like anybody, but Stroud, just awesome weapons. Good O-line, great scheme, did well last year. The addition of Joe Mixon doesn't scare me much.

Yeah, I think the argument against Stroud is the same probably as the argument against London. it's just how much better he has to be to just, if everybody's what we think they are, to justify his being QB5. Man, I wish I remembered what Alfredo Brown said, but he gave a pretty good reason why he wasn't that high on Rasheed Rice. He's got him at wide receiver 37. Now he is, I think-

It's the low A dot and the addition of talent in Kansas City. I mean, do you know that or are you just assuming? Because I think it's the low a dot well and the addition of talent in kansas city i mean are you do you know that are you just assuming because i think it was something different i get though i think it was something different but i think he's also thinking that he's more likely to get suspended than than we think he is yeah i don't think that's happening so soon yeah but but uh all right let's go to let's go to team five we gotta get going here yeah it's it's been a long show yeah all right i'll read um i'm not gonna read every team i'll read dave's team team 11 is garrett wilson jonathan taylor brandon iuk josh jacobs calvin ridley david montgomery christian watson jameson williams

brock bowers jordan Love. Dave did not take his tight end until round nine or his quarterback until round 10. And he got two guys that he loves. He's loving Bowers starting. You got Taylor and Jacobs. You've got Garrett Wilson, Brandon Ayuk. And then your two flexes are probably David Montgomery and Calvin Ridley with Christian Watson, Jamison Williams, Marshawn Lloyd and tank bigs beyond as options and Curtis Samuel, man, I think you did great. This is a great team.

I agree. Um, waited for quarterback until it was a crazy good value. I think I lucked out a little bit with Jordan love and round 10. Uh, but otherwise I, maybe the one thing I wish I had done was not been like so balanced early on like I'm great with my first four picks could I have taken a quarterback where I took Ridley or Montgomery yeah maybe I could have done that I don't know if I would have felt as good about that value though

of getting it would have been Stroud in late round five or early round six compared to love in round 10 I just I think love going to have another very good year. Okay. So again, Dave started with Garrett Wilson, Jonathan Taylor, Brandon, I,

you can Josh Jacobs built a good team there. I think Dave's team. And like, I agree with everything he said. It's a very, very balanced, like it's going to be a good team. It does illustrate if you're picking at the back end of the draft and you

want to have a tight end that you're sure about, you might have to take one of the three, four turn because there's no guarantee that Kittle or Kincaid are getting back to you at five, six. Right. So let's say that that was how I felt. I would not have taken Jacobs. I would have taken Trey McBride, and that would have been at 38th overall. You know, I could have prayed to the fantasy gods that Kincaid or Kittle made it back to me, but Heath, your point is valid. You're not getting a good tight end

unless you're taking one at three or four. Wait a second, wait a second. That depends on how you feel about Ingram and Pitts, because they will be there in round six, one of them, if not both. Yeah, you know how I feel about Pitts. And if we're going to talk up Brian Thomas and say he's going to matter and Christian Kirk's going to matter, then maybe we should be talking about Evan Ingram not being worth

that round six pick, even in full PPR. It's quite possible. All right. I want to read one more team here because this was my favorite start. This is my favorite rounds one, two combination. And it was Jamar Chase, Kyron Williams. This is the team who picked sixth overall. Jamar Chase, Kyron Williams.

How did this team do? Luca's team. Debo Samuel in round three. So Chase, Kyron Williams, Debo, Ken Walker. I think he's nailing it so far. Yeah. Walker's moving up for me. Don't love Aaron Jones in round three. So Chase, Kyron Williams, Debo, Ken Walker. I think he's nailing it so far. Yeah. Walker's moving up for me. Don't love Aaron Jones

in round five. Would have gone Pickens there instead. Yeah. Do you guys like Pickens better than Aaron Jones? Oh, yeah. Yes. Kyle Pitts in round six.

That was the last of the one, two, three, four, five, six of the top eight tight ends. Kyler Murray in round seven. I know we like that pick. Love it. Cortland Sutton, Keon Coleman, David Njoku. I wouldn't have drafted him if I had pits.

Tyler Algier, Brandon Cooks, Brock Purdy to back up Kyler and Kamani Vidal. No point in drafting Vidal at this point. Yeah, I think he fell apart starting in round 10, but the first nine picks were mostly great. Yeah, it's a good team. And I'll even say that with Pitts. Like late round six, there were two other teams that needed a tight end. So if he didn't take Pitts then,

I'm pretty sure Pitts would not have made it back to him. I think we would all say that taking Kittle instead of Aaron Jones in round five, you're probably going to get Aaron Jones in round six, but if you don't, you could have taken Najee. We like Najee more than Aaron Jones and Kittle more

than Kyle Pitts. Right, so Kittle and Najee would have been a better combo than Aaron Jones and Kyle Pitts. Heath, you crushed that one. The only thing I disagree with there is that I don't think Aaron Jones is there in round six. You can take Najee for sure. But Najee would have been

and I would rather have Najee anyway. Maybe. There was not... Dave's the only person that took a running back before he picked again. Fair enough. But based on ADP,

Aaron Jones is a fifth round pick I think pretty much everywhere. I think. Because I think it's basically Connor and Aaron Jones in round five typically. But yeah, this is a great job. Kyler Murray and Kyle Pitts

with Kyron Williams, Ken Walker, Jamar Chase, Deebo Samuel, and two flexes would be Aaron Jones and Cortland Sugg. All right, that's it for today's show. A long one.

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