Fantasy Football Today - Mailbag and Fantasy Cops! (11/06 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: November 6, 2021The latest on the Cardinals passing game, what to do if Christian McCaffrey is on a snap count, why Jeff Wilson and Kenny Golladay are worth adding and more NFL news before we read your emails (13:40)..., hear from the Fantasy Cops to settle a family dispute (30:30) and get into your Apple Podcast questions (35:00). Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Touchdown.
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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck.
Welcome to your mailbag.
Your news bag.
A lot of news here.
Kyler Murray, Christian McCaffrey, Saquon Barkley, Kenny Galladay, James Robinson,
Dawson Knox, AJ Brown, Julio Jones.
And the most under-managed, under-rostered player, sorry, under-rostered player in fantasy football is...
Jamie, Chris, any guesses?
I know since you said it on FFT earlier today,
so it's Jeff Wilson.
Oh, you weren't even going to let Chris guess.
I mean, no respect for the game.
What is he at, like 30%?
18%.
18%, yeah.
That's under-rostered, I guess.
You shouldn't have asked me.
I did think about that. I knew that, yeah, you're right. It's really, that's on me. That's under-rostered, I guess. You should have asked me. I did think about that.
I knew that, yeah, you're right.
It's really, that's on me.
That's on me.
Emails at fantasyfootball at cbsi.com.
If you are sending it to cbsey,
that's not the right email address.
It's the letter I, cbsi.com.
You can put fantasy cops in the subject line
or something football related.
Should we switch over to our new emails?
No, I'm good with that.
All right.
I'm good with it.
That's fair.
And did that one get a new email address?
I think every single email.
We have like six email addresses now.
Yeah.
Very corporate over here.
So anyway, let's get started.
Let's talk about the news and notes.
Chris, Kyler Murray, and deandre hopkins game
time decisions dun dun dun what should we do if we are relying on the cardinals passing game
you know at this point like there was a quote from from cliff kingsbury where he said
if kyler can you know play in the pocket and keep himself safe he'll play what that tells me is that they're not expecting Kyler Murray to do much running.
And he hasn't really done much running lately.
And he hasn't really been an elite fantasy quarterback as a result of that.
I have him like eighth at quarterback for this week.
But my expectations are certainly lower than they would be even if he does play.
So not necessarily a slam dunk must start, I think.
And unfortunately, Jamie, we can't turn to Taysom Hill
because Trevor Simeon is starting.
So who are some of the waiver wire quarterbacks now
that are appealing to you if you need to replace Kyler Murray
or something like that?
Yeah, I have Kyler in several leagues.
A couple of them I'm attempting to because he's still on waivers,
but people drop Kirk Cousins, so I'll pivot to Cousins.
But Tyrod Taylor is the first person I would look at
if you don't have a quarterback.
I actually have Taylor, you know, after adjusting rankings,
following this news, I have Taylor ranked ahead of Murray as it is.
So I just think, you know, you're looking at a guy
that has gotten off to a good start this season,
the game and a half that he played.
But the most important thing is he's facing the Dolphins.
So see if Tua's out there.
See if Derek Carr's out there.
See if Kirk Cousins is out there.
I would have said to start Carson Wentz over Kyler,
just knowing the uncertainty yesterday.
We said that on FFT on HQ.
And I think, you know, you just got to prepare at this point
for Kyler Murray not playing.
The emergency situations would be one, Trevor Simeon, two, Colt McCoy.
You know, so those two guys could
get you by in a pinch, but
I hope you can find somebody better.
Okay, yeah, and
that is of course a 425
p.m. Eastern game.
It seems like all the game time decisions are
at 4 o'clock these days. You know, Jimmy Garoppolo
is probably university available too.
So if you just want to play it out to see what happens
with the game. He's 24% rostered as well.
And maybe Justin Fields in some leagues, too, on Monday night.
Or Roethlisberger, I guess.
We're going to choose one of those scrubs.
Fantasy scrubs.
Who would you go with?
Fields is good.
He's one of the rushing.
Yeah, I would go with Fields.
Okay, next news item.
Christian McCaffrey may play, but if he
does, he'll be on a snap count.
So where are you guys going to end up with McCaffrey
in your rankings if he's active? Jamie?
Probably somewhere
between 15 and 20.
It's actually not a bad week for running backs.
When you talk about Devontae Booker
and his situation, Myles Gaskins in a
positive situation.
I started him ahead of his situation. Miles Gaskin's in a positive situation. You know,
like I,
I started him ahead of Boston Scott.
I started him ahead of,
you know,
the bears guys,
depending on who starts there.
He's not going to be ahead of,
he's not gonna be a top 10 guy for me,
you know?
So if I have Christian,
it's very hard to sit him clearly,
but I think he's got a real in expectations.
And Saquon Barkley is,
I don't know if he's officially ruled out,
but he's not going to play.
It's Friday afternoon, by the way,
for those of you listening on Saturday,
it's Friday afternoon right now.
Kenny Galladay, I just read that he's probably going to play.
So I was surprised to see that.
He's, I don't even think he's 60% rostered.
Is he the best?
Yeah, he's one of the most underrated
or under-rosed players right now for
sure yeah move over jeff wilson so would you guys rather start golladay or tony and golladay is 55
percent rostered tony for me just based on health i i don't want to trust golladay until i see it
yeah i think that's fair um tony is expected to play with that thumb injury right yes he's been
limited all week. Yeah.
Yeah, I'd probably go with Tony,
but I don't think either of them is a top 36 receiver for me.
Sammy Watkins has a chance to play.
I'm pretty interested to see what that passing game looks like,
excuse me, with all three of their top receivers healthy.
Sam Darnold, questionable.
Cole Beasley, questionable.
Dawson Knox, out.
What's the latest on James Robinson?
So he was seen catching passes during practice.
I don't know what his practice status is,
but my guess is they'll probably list him as questionable, if not doubtful.
I would expect him not to play this week.
You know, I actually kind of hope he doesn't play
because the last thing you want to see is him re-aggravate this injury
and make it further.
He's going to have a bad game against Buffalo.
Like if he was playing, you're still starting him,
but I don't want to see him
get hurt and miss several weeks. Let him miss
the Bills game. We've been planning for this.
He got hurt in the game last week, so you kind of had this
expectation of him not being out there.
I'd rather have him for the long haul
than short term. One thing I will add
going back to one note that you said, Adam,
Rashad Bateman didn't
practice today. Yeah, Harbaugh
said there's nothing serious.
He expects him to play, but
worth noting with Sammy Watkins
looking like he's coming back.
Devontae Parker, meanwhile, is listed as doubtful.
He is not going to play against Houston.
So with that and the Tua
kind of hand injury,
he's going to play, but
this is obviously one of the top waiver wire priorities
at quarterback, Chris.
Are we still confident in Tua Tungabailoa against Houston?
Yeah, yeah. He had a couple of good games without Devontae Parker
when he came back from his injury,
so I don't think that's necessarily something to be too concerned about.
Obviously, you'd like it more if Devontae Parker was playing,
but Mike Kosicki has stepped up really well when Devontae Parker's been out But Mike Gasicki has stepped up really well
when Devontae Parker's been out.
Jalen Waddell is still a solid option.
I think Tua Tanguabelo is still a top 12 quarterback for me.
Okay, I guess just to throw out a name for super deep leagues,
I have my Scott Fishbowl.
I have just such bad wide receivers.
I mean, is Mac Hollins the guy to look at?
Didn't he have a good game in London when Parker was out?
Yeah, he did.
He had a touchdown against the Falcons
through the following week.
Preston Williams, though, we know
was a healthy scratch last week,
and he's kind of owning up to his mistakes, I guess.
I saw him talking to the media,
saying, you know, it's on me, whatever that's
worth, whatever the issue is that's going on with him
and Brian Flores.
So maybe he's the guy, but I'm with you, Adam.
I look at Matt Collins first, but you've got to be really desperate.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, let's see.
A.J. Brown was not seen at the open portion of practice on Friday.
I don't know what that's all about.
Hope he didn't.
Chipotle again?
Come on, you said you weren't going to have any more fast food, A.J. Brown.
Julio Jones.
Julio Jones is going to play.
Jamie, Julio Jones is going to fight.
Yeah.
Sweep the leg.
Yes.
We'll see how he does.
He's a number three receiver.
It's still difficult to trust him, and this defense is not good.
Not a good matchup, excuse um so i you know there's always
the risk of re-aggravation so desperation play i think at this point yeah i i would expect something
like what we saw two weeks ago where i think he had like four targets um and played like 50 of
the snaps i think we're still like i want him to show it to me first before i trust him i think
there's still potential for him to be a must-start player, but I need him to show it to me first.
That's Julio Jones we're talking about. Chris,
by the way, definitely likes Cobra
Kai better than Karate Kid.
I have not watched Cobra Kai.
Have you ever seen it? Actually, it's been like
a long time
since I've seen Karate Kid. I don't really have any
positive memories of it one way or
the other. It's really good. You'll like it. Cobra Kai
is awesome. I'm sure it is. No, you're sure it's not. It's really good. You'll like it. Cobra Kai is awesome.
I'm sure it is.
No, you're sure it's not.
There's a lot of television out there.
It's so bad, bro.
It's one of the cheesiest shows that I've ever seen.
It's not bad.
I was putting on a Netflix movie for my kids last night and just scrolling through the menu,
Cobra Kai popped up.
And my nine-year-old's
like can we watch that i was like no not not yet now karate kid though i think he could watch
uh i started watching squid game you guys watch that i haven't watched that one yet not yet no
yeah it's good i i i'm hooked well it hooked me it's i don't you know you'll probably hate it no I don't think so
yeah I probably will
I mean you hated
oh god
I didn't hate it
you did you hated what was the movie called
yeah something with a P
Parasite right
I did not hate Parasite I just thought it was very average
very average movie
yeah
I didn't hate it.
Okay.
So Jamie, you said something on HQ that the Titans offensive coordinator said that the,
they're going to kind of keep their running style.
Yeah.
Todd Downing said he, I think he said something like, I'll be doing the offensive disservice
if we change things, uh, from, you know, losing Derek Henry.
So I'm going to guess, you know, to guess they try to force Peterson or McNichols
into the 27 carries that are being vacated by Derrick Henry.
But just by nature, they're going to be different.
None of these guys are Derrick Henry.
Combined, they're not Derrick Henry at this point in Peterson's career.
So the fact that Julio Jones is back, I think they put more on Ryan Tannehill's plate.
And obviously the expectation is they're going to be chasing points
because the Rams offense is so good and their defense is still struggling.
So I hope we get to see more of Tannehill, more of A.J. Brown,
more of Julio Jones, less of a 36-yard running back,
and less of Jeremy Nichols.
Yeah, it just, from a purely aesthetic standpoint, obviously,
I want to not see them run adrian
peterson into the line 25 times but also just i don't think it would be smart and i have to assume
that the people running the tennessee titans are smart you know they'll i don't doubt that they'll
run more than your average team in any given situation but i i can't believe that they're
going to run more than they pass just to name one factor.
And if Peters, either one,
either one of those guys has a good game, trade them immediately.
Trade them immediately because somebody will,
but certainly it was Peterson.
Somebody will be fine.
The best time to trade Adrian Peterson is right now.
Agreed.
Unless he has a good game this week and then you trade him.
I don't know who pointed it out.
I forget.
I think it was Heath on Tuesday night,
but the first game of the season for Peterson
each of the last three years has been pretty good.
It's been week one, week two, and week one.
It's unfortunate he's starting with the Rams and the Saints,
but you can understand he gets off to a good start
and can't really keep it going the rest of the season.
Last thing on the Titans, though,
is going into this week,
they had run the second most plays in the NFL,
which is pretty interesting.
Not per game, but up there per game, but second most plays.
And finally, Jeff Wilson may play this week.
We'll see.
And didn't get a practice report yet on Friday for Eli Mitchell.
Hopefully he can take some contact and keep making progress.
I'm going to guess he's going to be limited.
Yeah, limited is one thing if he takes contact,
but I think he was not taking any contact on Thursday.
If they are hitting him with bad ribs,
they are stupid.
I guess, but you've got to get out.
Maybe you can.
Maybe you can be a non-contact and practice all week
and still play.
He's played football before. He knows what it's like.
Some coaches will not play a guy
if he hasn't practiced.
He is practicing, before. He knows what it's like. You know, some coaches will not play a guy if he hasn't practiced. He is practicing, though.
Is he?
Yes, he's at practice.
I honestly don't know what it means.
I don't know what it means.
I don't go to these practices.
I don't want to go.
All right, this is Sunday.
This is week nine.
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Get set for the action on the NFL today at noon Eastern,
and that is all coming up this Sunday on the NFL on CBS.
We're going to start with the emails today.
We'll do Apple Podcasts in a little bit.
We got one fantasy cop submission that I'm going to read.
Only one?
Well, we have a lot every week, but many of them are just the same.
And it's just going to be us saying, no, don't veto that.
That's fine.
Basically, I've just been sort of responding on my own.
I guess I did get one that was saying somebody traded for Calvin Ridley. And then 30 minutes later, Ridley went on the own. I guess I did get one that was saying somebody traded for Calvin Ridley
and then 30 minutes later,
Ridley went on the leave.
And again, I mean, we've done that before.
And what I've said is that,
I'm sorry, you know, you trade for someone,
if he gets hurt after you trade for him,
even if it's immediately,
or it goes on a personal leave, whatever,
that's just bad luck.
But the trade
stands what i said so kind of established that rule among your fantasy cops no you know i'm all
hard but i can't i can't let people off the hook completely okay time for the emails and ryan says
i never understood rankings more than when each player is compared to a corresponding Stallone
movie. Thank you, Jamie.
I thought that was very
confusing, but you know, I guess.
Alright, we'll do it moving forward.
Is that what you did? You compared
it to Stallone movies? Rocky 3, you did it to the
Rocky 3. Alright, from Brian.
Does Chase
Edmonds' value go up
if Kyler isn't mobile or possibly benched?
I'm deciding between Edmonds and Judy,
Tony, Kirk, or Emmanuel Sanders in half PPR.
I'd be very nervous about every Cardinals player
if it's Colt McCoy.
Yeah.
So I'd play Sanders, personally.
I'm trying to remember how the Cardinals running backs.
I think it would be better for him in the passing game for sure.
If Kyler's not going to scramble as much,
he's going to be more likely to dump it off to his running backs,
and it's not going to be James Connor that gets it dumped off to him.
So I think that can be, but the one thing I think the impact would be greater
on Connor because he is so reliant on
touchdowns and he is and his touchdowns are so reliant on the threat of um kyler murray running
the ball that i think it's a much more likely to negatively impact james connor i think you're
right but i also wonder if you know like what the packers did where they just run the ball more
you know so it doesn't opportunities and and that's where they go i mean look if you know like what the Packers did where they just run the ball more you know so does he opportunities and and that's where they go I mean look if you take Kyler and Hopkins off
the field are you really want Colt McCoy leaning on uh you know Christian Kirk and yeah and the
way to green also you know I mean Rondell Moore you know so you just wonder what they'll do I but
yeah I think you probably should take a hands-off approach maybe on all of them it is worth noting when
um when kyler suffered his shoulder injury last year in seattle and basically stopped running
james or kenny drake did see a slight increase in carries 15 per game only averaged 3.3 yards
per carry but did have six touchdowns in seven games so yeah kyler was still yeah kyler's rushing
touchdowns definitely dropped off at that point.
And McCoy,
I was looking at this cause I remember he started a couple of games for the
giants last year.
And I remember thinking that he was very conservative,
but when you look at the intended air yards per pass attempt,
it was 8.4 or more every game. And that's pretty high, right? Yeah.
But his completed air yards
per pass attempt
was 3.0, 3.5, 1.7, and 4.4.
So I think that means
he didn't have a lot of success
downfield.
That's my guess.
So I could see it.
I could see Edmonds
getting some cheap catches
in that regard.
All right, this is from Sal.
Pick a running back, a wide receiver, and a flex, half PPR.
Running back, Moss, Gaskin, Eli Mitchell.
Gaskin.
Wide receiver.
I mean, man, if Mitchell does play, that's going to be really tough.
Yeah, I think if Mitchell plays and Wilson doesn't,
I think I'd go Mitchell. I mean, what if Mitchell takes a if Mitchell plays and Wilson doesn't. I think I think I'd go
Mitchell, but OK.
I mean, what if Mitchell
takes a shot to his ribs
because he hasn't practiced
all week and he doesn't
know how to get hit in the
NFL?
I will say I have been
wrong on Miles Gaskin.
Exactly.
Literally every single
week this year.
Like every time I've been
high on him, he busts
every time I've been low
on him.
He has.
I mean, he's only had
three good games still. And then pick a wide receiver dj moore jalen waddle
jerry judy waddle i have more ranked higher but the flex would be one okay jamie who's your flex
then if you go gaskin waddle who's your flex moss mitchell more judy um what's the format
again half ppr i would go mitchell if he's the solo act i would go more if there's jeff wilson
i told uh dave on the podcast that i will be getting many fights with chris on sunday
about dj more i know it i i can't sit a guy with a 30% target share.
Like I just, it's just, I can't go away from that. Even I know Sam Darnold's her and he's
Sam Darnold and PJ Walker's PJ Walker. But when you're getting that kind of workload on a team
that, you know, isn't, it's not like they're the Titans with their running. I just, I can't get
away from it. It's like Brandon Cook's last week.
When you've got that kind of opportunity,
there's always a chance that you're going to break out.
I think, though, I mean, obviously, in a vacuum, I agree with you,
but when you start comparing him to other players,
like Jalen Waddell may get more of a target share this week.
Sure, sure.
Yeah, Waddell and Moore would be my two choices.
Right, right.
And then, again, if you get back to Elijah Mitchell, he's in a great spot.
If there is no Jeff Wilson, then he's healthy because if the Cardinals don't have their guys,
time of possession may be amazing for the 49ers.
We know what their run game has been.
And the Cardinals, we just saw their run defense without J.J. Watt look pretty miserable against the Packers.
So, you know, it's again, you're stacking him up against other guys.
I hope Moore delivers.
He may get a boost.
J.C. Jackson may not play for the pay.
No,
no,
he's,
I was just looking that up.
He's back.
He had an illness.
Uh,
so he's back at practice.
So that's,
that's not great for,
yeah,
that's a big deal.
Yeah.
And if PJ Walker is the quarterback,
it could go either way,
you know,
it might be better for him,
you know,
where,
you know,
you get some,
you know,
guy breaking out of containment and throwing the ball to some,
you know,
scramble drills to,
to the receivers,
or it could be worse if he's
worse than Sam Darnold.
Last question on DJ Moore.
McCaffrey hurts or helps?
Or nothing? I think
helps because there's more of a threat.
You fear Christian McCaffrey. You don't fear
Chuba Hubbard. So the Patriots game plan
is probably different if McCaffrey's on the field.
I think McCaffrey's just also going to
really help Sam Darnold. I think that's a
big thing that Darnold has missed
is having that short
area safety valve. I think
one thing that's coincided with Darnold
playing really poorly is
Sam Darnold. That's his whole career.
Since he entered the NFL,
it's coincided with that. But for the
Panthers specifically, it's been Terrace Marshall
and Christian McCaffrey being out.
Marshall is going to play
and McCaffrey sounds like he has a good chance.
And so I do think
there's a chance Darnold does play
a little better this week as well. And Jamie, as someone
who starts Chuba Hubbard in a couple
of leagues, I do fear Chuba Hubbard
quite a bit. So
this is from Brian. Would you start
Jerry, Judy, or Kadarius, Tony, half PPR? Judy. this is from Brian. Would you start Jerry, Judy, or Kadarius,
Tony half PPR,
Judy,
Judy.
This is from Anthony.
Hey,
Moe,
Larry,
and Curly.
I'm assuming James Robinson is out.
Who should I start in his place in full PPR,
Devante Freeman or David Johnson?
I,
I mean,
I think for Devante Freeman,
the fact that we know that Latavius Murray is out
and Michael Pierce is out for the Vikings,
you know, so that's big.
You know, I think this is a good opportunity
for Freeman coming off a bye week.
It's just, I don't know what to expect.
But if you tell me which backfield
do you at least know something?
I feel a little bit better about Baltimore
than I do about the Texans with Latavius not there.
Well, I think you can also look at it this
way. They're both probably
in four-way splits
in terms of rushing share.
David Johnson
might actually be in a five-way split with Taylor
back. So
Freeman's on a better offense, so you go with him.
Le'Veon Bell better not get...
You throwing Scotty Phillips in there?
I mean, he played last week, you know?
Yeah.
Is Burkhead playing this week?
Yeah, I think he was removed from the injury report.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay, next question from Greg.
Michael Thomas was supposed to be my ace in the hole
for fantasy playoffs.
I am 7-1.
He's looking for a high upside flyer.
Elijah Moore, Rashad Bateman, or Jeff Wilson?
Or would you go with Madison or Dylan or Sonny Michel?
It's a PPR league.
I don't know if it's 10 teams or not,
but would you take a shot on Elijah Moore, Rashad Bateman, Jeff Wilson,
Madison, Dylan, Michel?
What do you think?
I mean, obviously, you're going to win your league if you have Madison or Dylan,
or if you want to say Sonny Michelle as well,
and the other guy gets hurt on that respective backfield.
You can't find those players.
There's a reason why you're stashing those.
Tony Pollard as well.
Just the upside of what those guys can be, but it's implied value
because the other players that we're talking about here,
Jeff Wilson may not need an injury to be the best player in his situation.
Elijah Moore may end up being the best receiver for the jets.
Uh,
Rashad Bateman,
I don't think it'll be the best,
but can still be a significant contributor.
So it just comes down to what you're looking for,
for,
for where you,
where you are now and where you are end of season.
So,
I mean, for for where you where you are now and where you are end of season so i mean i would much prefer to
roster those running backs with the hope of them being league winners but if i need players right
now jeff wilson will be the one of the first trio that you mentioned yeah if you don't need a starter
i think madison dylan michelle pollard i think those are all great options um can i throw out
my beat the waiver wire pick for week?
Would it be for week nine or week 10?
How we would typically Brandon Ayuk.
He's still under 50% rostered.
It didn't seem like anybody picked him up this week,
except for me and led the 49ers in snaps routes targets last week.
He didn't do a ton with it.
Only 45 yards on seven targets,
but we know how talented he is. And if they're going to use him as a full-time player, snaps routes targets last week he didn't do a ton with it only 45 yards on seven targets but
we know how talented he is and if they're going to use him as a full-time player he's been more
like a 65 to 70 snap and route share guy this season if they're going to play him 95 of the
snaps i think he's going to break out at some point and we know how high the upside is we saw
it last season so throwing that out there as another guy if you're looking for an upside
stash brand Brandon Ayuk.
All right, a few quick news items here,
and we'll finish up with the emails.
Sean McVay saying that Stafford and Robert Woods
are going to practice on Friday,
and they should be fine.
James Robinson got in some work.
He will be questionable.
And finally, Clyde Edwards-Ziller is closer
to a potential return from his sprain MCL.
Let's finish up the emails here real quick, guys.
Patrick from Long Island.
I'm trading Chase Edmonds and Chuba Hubbard for Keenan Allen.
Full PPR.
Give up Edmonds and Hubbard for Allen.
Grade the trade.
Rocky won.
Yeah, I love Edmonds, but that's an A.
From Matthew, rest of season of PPR,
Amari Cooper or Cortland Sutton?
Ooh, Amari Cooper.
I think Cooper.
From Chris, I have David Montgomery,
so I will give up Travis Kelsey, Damian Harris.
The Montgomery part is irrelevant.
So give up Kelsey, Damian Harris, and Jerry Judy.
Get Najee Harris and Mike Gasicki.
Oh, yeah.
I like that.
I don't think I would.
I wish you were getting someone better than Gasicki.
You're getting Najee Harris.
What was it again?
Kelsey and who?
Kelsey, Damian Harris, and Jerry Judy. What's the format? Kelsey and who? Damian Harris and Jerry Judy.
What's the format? I don't know.
Because that matters. Because if it's
PPR, Harris is obviously not as good.
Damian Harris.
He's much better.
Yeah, I would take the Najee Harris-Kisecki
side. Because as great as Travis Kelsey
is, Kisecki has proven time
and time again, whenever there's somebody missing
for the pass catchers,
he steps up.
Do you know when Will Fuller's coming back?
Because I sure don't.
Do you know if Devante Parker's going to miss significant time?
Sounds like it.
Yeah, I think Gusecki's in a great spot.
And who knows if Kelsey's starting to fall off the cliff.
I don't think so, but who knows.
All right, from Reed, half PBR, Tony, James Conner,
Bateman, or Jordan Howard?
Presumably to start this week.
Yeah.
If Kyler plays, it's Conner for me.
If Kyler is out, it would be Tony.
I think it'd be Bateman for me if Kyler's out.
From David.
Yeah, that's assuming what Harbaugh said.
You still going to trust Bateman, though, if Watkins plays?
Because that's the risk I think you run.
There is some risk there, for sure.
Yeah.
But then again, there's a lot of risk with Tony,
especially if Galladay plays.
We haven't seen him really play all that well with...
I mean, we haven't seen him play much
with the other wide receivers.
Yeah, there's a one-game sample size.
It was the New Orleans game when Galladay went for 100
and Tony went 6 or 78.
I think he probably can do that
again against the Raiders. If he's
healthy. From David,
give Michael Pittman, get Mike Williams.
This one was a few weeks ago.
A plus. Right now, I don't know. Give
Pittman for Mike Williams. PPR.
Rocky 5. Really?
Is that bad?
Oh, yeah.
I think it's a C. I think it's really, really close.
Oh, Jamie. Wow. I'm really surprised.
Yeah, I'm with Chris. I think it's more of a rocky three.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm thrilled that it's on.
Again, Pittman sample size without T.Y. Hilton there.
Who knows when Hilton's going to play? It's been awesome.
Who's got more points this season, though?
I bet it's still Williams.
I would imagine it's probably closer than you think
because Williams has been bad through the last four games
i'm curious actually i think pitman's played two more games so that that would like pitman
is wide receiver five right now but oh wow actually not that good well he's played nine
games so what is it what you got per game who's better click pitman is 19 per game
mike william Williams is 15.
So it's about a point difference.
Take that Tommy guns.
Jordan from the sunshine.
If that is a line in Rocky
five, then I'm just going to
take your word for it.
Because does Chris know what
he did the other day?
I don't know.
How well do you know your
Rocky movies?
One through four moderately well then you're good okay so one through four so we're talking about salone movies and he says
didn't somebody significant die in all of the rockies and adam like and my thinking like i'm
thinking okay and mickey died in three. Apollo died in four.
He goes, yeah, didn't Apollo die in Rocky one and Adrian died in Rocky two?
What?
I mean, it's incredible.
Adrian dies between five and six.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's not in the, you know, the Rocky six.
But he killed off Adrian.
I mean, that is unbelievable.
And who did he think Rocky fights
in the second one?
That's,
I just,
like,
that's what the follow-up
question should have been.
All right.
So anyway.
Can I drop a take
that might make you guys mad?
Go.
I think Creed is better
than any of the Rocky movies.
I love them.
That movie's so good.
It's kind of boring.
All right.
From Jordan.
What?
Jordan in Oregon.
Rocky's like the most,
one of the most beloved movies of all time.
Which one?
Creed?
Rocky.
Oh, yeah.
Rocky's amazing.
No, I mean, Creed is a little boring.
I think if you rank them, like for me, I probably, because I like all of them. I probably would go one, two, four.
Creed one.
And three.
Rocky three.
Creed two.
Yeah, Creed would definitely be no lower than three.
By the way, I looked up what the
what our friend from Oregon was referring to.
What is that?
Oh, wait, no, no, that's not it sorry all right guys tommy chucky lil phil and dill that that i get that's the
rugrats full ppr actually he wrote fully ppr that's kind of funny wide receiver running back
in a flex so davante parker's not playing so you're gonna go with mike williams oh well this
is easy.
You gave us four options, and one of them is Devante Parker, so it's the other guys.
All right, with that said...
Nope, that was
the wrong one. All right, so pretend that
didn't happen, everybody.
Sunshine Daydream is a documentary about the Grateful Dead.
Ah.
That took place in Oregon.
This is the Fantasy Cops music, right?
All right, Fantasy Cops, Oh, yeah. This is the Fantasy Cops music, right? All right.
Fantasy Cops.
Here we go.
This one is from Tyler from the better Carolina.
South.
Yeah, it's going to say South.
Using context clues, it's probably South.
Yeah, because North Carolina barbecue is dreadful.
Dear Brian, Alshon, Debo, and Shai.
Those are South Carolina wide receivers.
Which one's Brian?
I actually don't know.
Which was who?
Brian.
Oh, Brian Edwards.
He was a South Carolina guy, right?
I didn't know that.
Sure.
I'm the commissioner in my family league.
I just made a trade that has sent the other players in the league in a frenzy.
I am tied with the worst record in the league.
Remember, this is his family league.
And I've lost several players due to COVID and injury.
With my starting running back, Saquon, possibly being out due to COVID.
He's out.
Gibson being on a bye and already losing Hunt and Montgomery to injury.
I made a trade with my mom for Kamara.
I traded Saquon, Robert Woods,
and Damian Harris to my mother.
She gave me Alvin Camara
and Terry McLaurin.
This made other members go crazy
saying that it wasn't a fair trade
and insinuating that I sent
a lopsided trade to my mom on purpose
as I know much more about football
than she does.
I believe that I treat this league
as fairly as anyone else
as two of the players who
are upset the most by it. Messed up a trade
early in the year by blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So, yeah.
Do you think this is family
collusion here or was this a
fair offer giving Barkley,
Woods, and Damian Harris
for Kamara and McLaurin?
Those aren't the two poles.
It's not collusion or a fair offer.
It can be an unfair offer and not be collusion.
I think you probably took advantage of your mom,
which is, generally speaking, a pretty messed up thing to do.
You're supposed to have a special relationship with your mother.
Using that relationship to win in fantasy football
is probably not the best thing in the world.
So he ended up getting Kamara and McLaurin?
Yeah.
All right, so let's play this out.
So let's go Taysom Hill starting for the Saints from Week 10 on,
and Kamara's back from Week 10 on.
Which side is better?
The Kamara side is better, I'd say.
Not by much, though?
No.
Keep in mind, Barkley has a bye in week 10.
Okay, so week 11 on.
Well, that's two weeks.
It's a pretty big deal.
Well, Camara's bye is still coming up too, right?
No.
Didn't they have their bye?
Yeah, they haven't had a bye.
They had their bye.
Oh, okay.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's an unfactoring bye.
But still, I just think for rest of season value factoring in the games that they're going to play
camara may be bad with tason mill not you know not to the extent that he's not startable but
he may not be as great as he as he is right now all right so we're saying that the trade should
stand it is it is a pretty uneven trade i don't think it's that uneven but the but the buy week
thing i mean that's a big deal mclaren and deal. McLaurin and Camara have had their byes,
and Barkley, Woods, and Harris haven't.
How many regular season weeks do we have left?
I guess six.
Six.
Man, it's getting close, huh?
This, by the way, is the Bon Jovi week.
You know why?
Why?
We're halfway there.
Ah.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, that is it for this week's edition of the Fantasy Cops.
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From Apple podcast.
Here we go.
This, I don't have a name.
I have Jalen Hurts.
Should I start him this week or grab Ryan Tannehill?
I've heard to have a Tannehill hurts.
Okay.
From J Mac PPR league.
I have Kelsey Dawson,
Knox and Logan Thomas.
I am four and four.
And he could use another running back.
I would say he could use an upgrade everywhere.
Should I trade Kelsey for a more solid running back or wide receiver
given that he has Knox
and Logan Thomas?
What is Kelsey's value
or should I leave it be?
I mean, the problem
that you have is that
you don't have a tight end
this week if you trade Kelsey.
Yeah.
Knox isn't playing
and Thomas is still on an hour.
So, you know,
if you're talking about
you could trade Kelsey
and pick up, you know,
Friar Moose
or Dan Arnold
or somebody just to get you
by for one week.
Alberto.
Or Alberto if he plays.
That's another good – that can help you.
But we already talked about a potential Kelsey for Najee Harris trade, which was the two key pieces in that deal.
So if you're getting that type of a running back in return, then yes. Like, if I'm trying to trade Kelsey,
you got to get...
First round pick.
Even though he hasn't been the same guy,
you still got to get
top 10 caliber player in return.
I feel like if you're making this trade
because you're thin in other positions,
then you should try to get two players.
I know you don't usually want to be
on the one for two side
if you're giving up the best player,
but if you give up kelsey for
uh give me two second to third round types of players here i mean daryl henderson and
um i don't think you're getting much with i was gonna say something like a chubb and miles
type of deal okay yeah yeah you know. Because you're kind of thin.
Just giving up Kelsey for
equal running back or wide receiver, I'm not sure that does
much for you.
Yeah, because I don't think
Dawson Knox or Logan Thomas is an
upgrade on...
You probably expect something similar from Hunter Renfro
as you do from those two guys the rest of the season.
Probably 11 to 12 fantasy points per game.
This is from JD.
We got a couple of emails here,
a couple of Apple podcast questions
or answers or whatever.
Comments, sorry.
People are pissed off.
So here we go.
JD Wikes.
I am so sick of hearing about
Dave and Keith tanking.
I'm so sick of it.
We'd boot a manager out of our league
for that garbage
and we have to listen to them
discuss tanking strategy
and laugh about it back and forth.
It's a disgrace, and it makes me mad every time.
Now, hold on.
Wait, wait, wait.
We got one more.
One more.
From Troy DVS, subject is disgraceful.
The fact that you have an analyst on the podcast
that tanks a season,
goes against everything good about fantasy football,
I don't care that it's Dynasty.
It's just wrong.
I'm done with this trash.
So two things.
One, when I talked about this on Twitter,
I had a bunch of people like,
well, is it against the rules?
And it's like,
there is an is versus ought distinction
that you are trying to draw.
It is legal to do it.
The discussion is not whether it is legal.
It's whether it ought to be legal.
And personally,
I think you should at least have to set a lineup in good faith.
Just spilled my water.
You don't have to.
This is what happens when I gesticulate.
You don't have to make every move
with the intention of winning this season.
But sitting Patrick Mahomes,
it's garbage. For Davis Mills. It's garbage. And then Mills outscoring him, of winning this season. But sitting Patrick Mahomes,
it's garbage.
For Davis Mills.
It's garbage.
And then Mills outscoring him,
which is hilarious.
Right.
And look, I benefit from it because I play Heath twice
in the regular season in the league.
I think I'm the only person in the league
that gets to play him twice.
So like, hey, cool.
Good for me.
But it sucks.
And the problem with tanking
from a philosophical perspective,
if you take a utilitarian viewpoint of it,
it's the kind of thing where it only works
because other people are trying to win,
but if everybody was tanking,
one, the league would stop working,
and two, nobody would actually benefit from it.
So it's a strategy that inherently takes advantage
of the fact that everyone else is trying, and
I don't like that. That's
unethical. Heath is kind of regretting
it now, too. Well, I'll tell you...
He doesn't want to be the commissioner anymore.
There's going to... Karma's going to
come back to haunt him
at some point, whether it's...
He's going to end up drafting
somebody that gets hurt because he tanked
and that player is all in. He's not going to end up drafting somebody that gets hurt because he tanked and that player is all in.
He's not going to win for several years.
Like there's ways to tank without doing it the way he's doing it.
You know, like you said, he's regretting it, you know, with some of the decisions that are making.
The one that doesn't make any sense to me is I have no idea why Dave is tanking.
Dave has still a very good roster.
Dave can easily compete now.
He made a trade knowing that his team is sub 500 with Chris
to get a first-round pick for Tom Brady,
which is an excellent trade for both of you guys.
And he can still compete because he has Joe Burrow.
Like, there is no reason why Dave is tanking.
Because it's a 14-team league, but seven teams make the playoffs.
He could still get in, and who knows what happens.
He's going to get Montgomery back.
He's moving up a couple spots maybe in draft pick value.
It just makes – and he tells me this all the time.
It makes absolutely no sense why David's tanking.
I don't understand it at all.
All right, let's go to Grudge Max.
Should I look to sell Pat Mahomes as part of a package to upgrade my RB2?
Something like Mahomes, Hawkinson, and Eli Mitchell for Joe Mixon.
I have Burrow and Logan Thomas on my bench. Yeah, way too much.
That would be a bad trade.
This is similar to the Travis Kelsey discussion we were having,
and I didn't bring it up then, but it's worth bringing up now.
You're selling these guys at the absolute bottom of their value.
And in Mahomes' case,
I saw somebody yesterday kind of criticizing the people
who said you shouldn't rank Mahomes lower than number one
at QB because he's number four or five depending on your scoring format he's had basically a worst
case scenario for him I think most people would agree that this is by far the worst stretch of
Patrick Mahomes career and he's QB four or five I think that's actually kind of vindication
for who Mahomes is and so like he's not going to have a worse two-game stretch I would guess in
his career if not at least in the next five years that's worse than what he's not going to have a worse two-game stretch, I would guess, in his career.
At least in the next five years,
that's worse than what he's done the last two weeks.
And so, I think trying to trade him right now is just a mistake.
Yeah, the problem is, if this were week four,
you could say, oh, you're trading him at his low point.
But it's week nine.
You know, if you really need...
That's a lot to give up for Mixon.
But if you have Joe Burrow,
then it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter the name, the value.
It's not a bad idea to trade Mahomes to get a running back.
So I think, you know, it's probably a better idea to trade Burrow.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but if you're just saying right now you're trading Patrick Mahomes to get Joe Mixon, I like that trade.
I have no problem with that trade. The fact that you're giving up Mahomes, Hawkinson, and whoever else the third player was.
That's just ridiculous.
There's no way you should be doing that.
We know it's harder to trade running backs. It's difficult
for people to trade quarterbacks. It's hard to get running
backs. It's hard to trade quarterbacks.
That factors into it.
I'm not
giving that many additional players
to get Joe Mixon.
All right. Next one from C.
Tieson 6. Passion with Holmes next one from CTSIN6.
Pass it with Holmes for Justin Herbert.
Grade the trade.
F.
Yeah, if you're giving up my Holmes, that's an F.
Okay, from MikeCH23.
Now, is that Dynasty or is that Redraft?
Didn't say, so I'm guessing Redraft. I think even in Dynasty, I'd rather have Holmes.
I would agree, but Dynasty makes a little bit more sense.
Redraft, no sense at all. Pick, oh, crap, it'd rather win the bronze. I would agree, but Dynasty makes a little bit more sense. Redraft, no sense at all.
Pick, oh crap, it's three o'clock.
I'm supposed to be on the air right now with Jacob Gibbs,
so I'm going to send him a text message
and let him know that I'll be there in a bit.
Jacoby Myers, Eli Mitchell, Miles Gaskin.
Pick one.
Miles Gaskin.
Yeah. Okay okay next question grade the trade from a big city and a state known for
lakes and beer illinois michigan i think in michigan minnesota yeah sure they're known for
california they're known for lakes okay're known for lakes Los Angeles especially
Gray the trade I lost
Derrick Henry
and I traded Marquise Brown
for Chase Edmonds
and I traded Mike
Williams for Damian Harris
Marquise Brown
he still has Diggs, Jefferson
and Chase on his roster,
so he can afford to lose multiple wide receivers.
I think you settled in both cases.
The first one is an F.
The second one is a C.
Okay. All right.
This next one is from...
That one was from Dr. Nate.
Sorry.
This one is...
Boy, am I messed up here.
Jay Lazary.
No, I don't think...
I don't know who this is from.
I'm sorry.
I'm just going to read these.
I don't know who they're from.
I need two of four this week.
Debo,
Corlin Sutton,
Thielen,
Deontay Johnson.
Pick two.
Debo and Deontay if they play, Thielen, Deontay Johnson. Pick two. Debo and Deontay if they play.
Thielen and Deontay.
Actually, no.
Debo and Deontay.
Okay.
Dear Simeon, Guerrero, Bichette, and Biggio,
we know them.
I'm tied for first in my 12-team leagues.
One of the guys I'm tied with just lost Derek Henry.
My running backs were Eckler, Henderson,
Booker, and Mitchell, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I traded Mitchell to the guy
who lost Derek Henry for Adam Thielen.
And I also threw in Jarvis Landry
because he was going to drop him
for Boston Scott.
Who won the trade?
Give up Eli Mitchell for Adam Thielen.
You did.
He lost the trade?
No, he won.
He won the trade?
Yeah. Why did I say lost? I think No, he won. He won the trade. Yeah.
Why did I say lost?
I think I'd rather have Mitchell than Thielen,
but I've been lower on Thielen.
What was I doing?
I go, who won the trade?
Jamie goes, you did.
I go, oh, he lost the trade?
Why did I say that?
Mitchell could be headed for a timeshare.
It's a little different.
All right, two more here. Or one more, I think. Although I do think Landry's more It's a little different. Two more here.
One more, I think.
I do think Landry's more than just a throw-in.
I agree.
I think he could be a top 20 wide receiver rest of the season.
Start Tony Pollard, Dearness Johnson,
or Boston Scott, or Bolden.
Two of them.
Pollard, Dearness, Scott, Bolden.
Pollard and Scott.
Yep. Or Scott Pollard, one of the Scott, Bolden. Pollard and Scott. Yep.
Or Scott Pollard, one of the best basketball players of all time.
I remember him.
Choose a DST to stash.
And that's all he wrote.
Whoever is available and has the best matchup next week.
They're all rostered.
Every good matchup is rostered next week.
It's very frustrating.
Good matchup for next week.
I think the Saints have a decent matchup.
They're probably rostered.
Oh, yeah, they're definitely rostered.
No, they've got the Titans next week.
I think that's a decent matchup.
We'll find out, I guess.
Maybe. Ravens are probably rostered. Colts are out, I guess. Maybe.
Ravens are probably rostered.
Colts are definitely rostered
after last week.
Bills are rostered.
Steelers are rostered.
I told you,
Beat the Waver Wire
was the worst one we've ever had.
Maybe the Bucs.
Oh, the Bucs.
The Bucs have Washington.
I said that, actually.
That's the one, probably.
I mean, they're definitely rostered,
but they might be dropped this week.
Okay.
Let's guess the Buccaneers DST roster percentage before we go.
I'm going to guess it is 73%.
64.
81.
85.
Jamie is the closest we're out going over.
Jamie is right.
Thank you for watching and listening, everybody.
Have a great weekend.
We'll talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football Today.