Fantasy Football Today - Mailbag! Floor vs. Upside, Bengals Outlook, FAB Strategies and More (07/12 Fantasy Football Podcast)
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Oh,
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All right.
I mean,
the shout outs are,
it's unbelievable.
I will start with some Apple podcast questions here.
Here's one from Dr.
Robotnik question for you all about the way you frame the conversation
around mid round running backs and even mid round wide receivers on the
recent shows.
When you all rank and discuss these guys,
you consistently talk about
which ones have top 12 upside
or top 10 upside
and rank those guys higher,
even if they may have a much lower floor.
What's so bad about drafting guys
with high floors?
I understand drafting for league winners,
but if every pick you make is a risk,
your team can certainly stink.
I think there's something to be said about drafting RB25 and him finishing as RB22 or so.
Getting what you pay for isn't such a bad thing in fantasy.
Thoughts?
I think it's an easier conversation with receivers because, you know, defining the floor for a lot of running backs, especially at that range, is relatively difficult.
Like the first guy that came to mind for me in this range is Brian Robinson
because it feels like he's got a safe floor because you know he's going to be
the guy that gets the carries there.
His ceiling, I think, is relatively huge because if this offense doesn't prove
and he's getting more goal line opportunities plus whatever he gets
in the passing game, I think he could be fantastic.
So for me, he's a very good floor play.
But I think, you know, like the guys that come to mind,
like does Zach Moss have a safe floor?
Does James Conner have a safe floor?
Does, you know, Tony Pollard or TyJ Spears have a safe floor?
You know, you can certainly argue pros and cons for those type of guys,
but it feels like they're all risks.
I think that point is great on running back.
Sorry, go ahead, Adam.
No, yeah, I think to Robotnik's point,
yeah, if you have a whole team full of just upside guys,
it could sink your team.
You want to have a nice mix.
I don't think you want every pick to be an upside pick.
That position, though, it's hard to define, I think,
who has a safe floor.
At running back, I don't think there is such thing.
But when we think about that, I think that's usually we're thinking about
who's going to get the most touches.
I'm not even so sure there's such a thing at wide receiver either
because you're chasing targets, and those guys are the highest upside guys as well.
And those are also the guys who will provide you with the floor.
We were talking, I think, yesterday or wednesday i don't remember exactly
but the the receiver it's like deontay johnson sure feels like he has a safe floor i don't know
though because we don't know the target totem pole there well we kind of can anticipate sure that his
targets are going to be there and canals is going to help the off you know i mean if you're just
projecting everything out like but comparing him to christian watson for example like the floor ceiling conversation with
those two guys are drastically different so like again i'm just trying to pick somebody that
chris godwin feels like he has a safe floor you know again you know where does the ceiling come
into play with him you know so those type of guys i think it's easier to predict because of the
targets but in the case of running backs yes adam obviously we're looking at guys who are going to get touches.
But again, you know, then you factor in who's got competition,
who's got injury concerns.
Like I think with that position, it's just a little tougher for me.
So I wanted to talk about Zach Moss because I know we're all into hard knocks.
You know, you guys seem to like.
Wait, wait, wait.
You say we're all into hard knocks.
You're a Giants guy.
I don't even.
You host a football podcast. And it took you how many days to watch that show? I'm busy, wait. You say we're all in the hard knock. You're a Giants guy? I don't even remember. You host a football podcast? And it took you how many days to watch that show?
I'm busy, man. I watched it yesterday. I watched the second episode. I watched the first episode last week.
But I'm not as into it as you guys are. I don't think it's so –
Oh, I think it's great.
I think it's a little boring. But I think one of the most interesting –
You'd rather see the player go off the field and have his activities and whatever.
I couldn't care less.
I mean, it might be better than the other version of Hard Knocks.
I never watched the other version of Hard Knocks.
I thought the interviews in the quarterback room were really cool.
But I think the most interesting fantasy thing so far from Hard Knocks was when they were talking about the free agent running backs in episode one.
I'm not sure who the guy was it for the giants.
Someone who works,
you know,
Chris Rosetti.
Okay.
He was saying Zach Moss is a really good pass protector.
And that's one of the fears we have for Zach Moss.
He's not going to play on third down for what it's worth.
PFF gave him a much higher grade.
His pass blocking grade last year was 60.4,
which was 57th among running backs.
Chase Brown's was terrible.
It was 26.7.
That's, you know, young running back takes time to learn that.
But I did think if you want to talk about Zach Moss and give him a floor, if he's actually
the better pass protector, doesn't that help his floor?
Yeah, this is why when we broke down maybe a month or two ago, we did an episode of players
that I want to come out of drafts with or something like the players most wanted.
He was on that list for that reason reason because I think he's going to play
on third downs because I don't think they can trust Chase Brown
on third downs for this exact reason.
But obviously that remains to be seen because we have seen
in the Zach Deller offense, they utilize those running backs
on routes on third downs.
Like he's not the offense that always going to keep in a running back
to pass your deck.
So if he's starting to send running backs out on routes on third downs,
well, then that might be a spot for Chase Brown to get his foothold in.
If Zach Ball stays healthy, he's going to be fantastic.
I think so, too, yeah.
But that's just not been his track record.
So hopefully he's past that and can stay healthy going back to college.
All right, here's one from a whole bunch of letters, a weird Apple podcast name.
Subject, Adam is awesome, and then in parentheses, and so is everyone
else on here.
I agree with half of that. This is an incredible
Stopping read of the second half of that.
This is an incredible podcast
and should definitely win the podcast award.
I'm keeping Christian McCaffrey. There's no
round penalty. Keep your top three.
Pick two of the next three.
You can start three running
backs and two flexes.
So Jonathan Taylor, Jameer Gibbs, and Puka Nakua,
you're already keeping McCaffrey.
Pick two of the next three. Taylor,
Gibbs, and Nakua. And he says,
I should be able to get some quality receivers with
my two first round picks
in addition to these keepers. Okay.
I would love to know if this is PPR.
Is there any information on that? No.
How many running backs you start?
Yes, you can start three running backs and two flexes.
Okay.
Two flexes.
I think I would just go Taylor, Gibbs, and McCaffrey, honestly.
I'm not as high on Puga, so that's where I'm at with it.
I would go with Gibbs.
If you think you can get two receivers high,
or I guess I would assume you probably figure
you can get two of any of these players high, right?
Unless he's just looking at the receiver pool
being deeper, which it is,
then you keep the two running backs
and hope you can get two quality receivers.
But I'd probably mix it up and go Gibbs and Nikko,
if it's full PPR.
Okay.
Comment about me here.
Half or none, I would go Taylor.
Adam looks like he has a favorite pajama.
I do not.
He does look like a guy
who wears a lot of pajamas.
You didn't give me a chance
to tell you my quick slight
before the show.
So those who might have been
watching on YouTube
might have saw my arm.
Save this for a little later.
A little later.
Because this next question
from Apple Podcasts.
We've got to hype up the match.
We're calling it the match.
This is actually about you.
It's from Skelly.
Dan isn't alone.
Myself and all Thrones fans
Thank you.
say it,
which is what you call it, Thrones.
Yes.
Which is weird.
No, it's not.
And 46% of the poll
also agreed with me, by the way,
which was not submitted
from the original conversation.
Which means half the poll
did not agree that you're
we don't call Game of Thrones,
Thrones.
Like I said,
who says that?
46% of people did.
They said,
you said no one does.
They said they knew someone who did.
Right.
Not that you said no one.
The idea was,
does anyone do it?
You said no one does it,
but Dan.
I just call it House of Dragons because that's the name of the show.
Actually,
you know what people call that one?
I don't,
I'm not one of these people.
People call that one hot D.
So wait,
it's you, Jamie, you just called it House of Dragons.
I think it's, is it House of the Dragon
or is it House of Dragons?
House of the Dragons.
It's definitely not House of the Dragons.
It's either House of Dragons or House of the Dragon.
Most people call, I think some people call it Hot D.
I think it's House of Dragons, right?
It is House of the Dragons.
No, there is a dub.
House of the Dragon.
House of the Dragon.
People call it Hot D, so there's a dub. Hot D, I like House of the Dragon. People call it Hot D. I always forget.
Hot D, I like that.
Okay, next up, Keeper questions.
We'll finish up our Apple Podcast segment here.
Keeper League, I get to keep one in a two-quarterback PPR League.
Jalen Hurts in round two.
Amon Ra, St. Brown in round three.
Kyron Williams or Puka Nakua in the last round.
Oh, God.
I,
this is so hard for me to not just go value town and take the last,
you can go round.
You can go both of those Puka and Kyron Kyron in the last two rounds.
No,
no,
only one,
only one.
Oh,
only one.
Oh,
that's easy.
Then hurts.
And Puka.
Wait,
is it only one,
only one overall.
Oh.
Yeah, yeah.
Wow, this gets tough.
It's super flex.
Yeah, it's 2QB.
No, 2QB.
Even more so, you need these QBs.
I might just go Hertz.
2QB is a devastating game.
You can't get lost in 2QB.
You've got to start two every week.
This ain't super flex.
You would assume that everybody's going to keep a quarterback, right? Yes.
And I've seen people have no quarterbacks to start in these types
of games. Unless they have just horrible quarterbacks.
Zero. I would not
keep Jalen Hurts in round two. I would keep
Puka in the last round.
Jalen Hurts is a top
four overall pick, though, so you're still getting value
there. And in this type of format,
you need the quarterback. You don't want
zeros. Of course you need a quarterback.
It's not like 20 quarterbacks.
You obviously have to figure out who's being kept if you can.
But at most, 12 quarterbacks are being
kept.
This is a 12-team league. It hurts without
a doubt. If it's a 10-team league, I'm a little
more open to considering maybe not.
A-team league, fine. You can go away from the quarterbacks.
12-team?
I say this all the time.
You don't need to have the best quarterbacks to win in a super
flex. But you need quarterbacks. Yeah, so he can
still have... This is not super flex, though.
This is 2QB. First of all, I've never
once started
a non-QB as a
super flex. I don't think I've ever done it. I hope
no one ever has to do it. Well, we're
talking about 2QB, so you can't. That's not even
an option. I get it. All I'm saying is Superflex and 2QB,
I live by the same rules and the same guidelines
because, of course, I want to start a second quarterback.
So I guess the question would be is,
do you want Puka and let's say Jaden Daniels, right?
Right.
Might be your option.
Or do you want Jalen Hurts and still maybe jay daniels because he's
still your first round pick plus i mean you're not gonna get anybody like puka late but still
yeah that's the thing you're getting a second round pick out of this since adam i guess i guess
if you have the opportunity to feel out what the keepers are then puka makes more sense but if you
can keep hurts i would rather keep her let's go on to our next one. Next one. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. This is from AL5185.
10 team, two quarterback keeper league, four point per passing touchdown, two points per
interception, and it's half PPR.
It's a $200 budget.
Again, it's two quarterbacks.
Keep one of the following out of a $200 budget.
Lamar Jackson at $46.
Anthony Richardson at $17. Anthony Richardson at $17.
Drake London, $2.
James Cook, $5.
Trey McBride, $1.
We're keeping how many?
One.
Richardson, $17.
I'm done.
Michael McBride for $1.
It's two QB.
I'm not going to take that risk.
I think I'd rather have Drake London at $2 than McBride at $1, Jamie. How about you? Yeah, that's aQB. I'm not going to take that risk. I think I'd rather have Drake London at 2 than McBride at 1, Jamie.
How about you?
That's a fair point.
Salary cap's a little different because you could spend what you want to spend on the quarterbacks.
But there might not be any quarterbacks.
Of course there will be quarterbacks.
This is a year where we think quarterback is deep.
You can probably get Aaron Rodgers in this league for $3.
It's not about thinking quarterback is deep or not.
It's about the scarcity position.
Only 32 start every week.
I understand that, but if you don't keep a quarterback here,
and let's say you don't want to spend on quarterback,
even in a $200 budget, you could probably get Deshaun,
some combination of Deshaun Watson, Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford.
Sure, none of those guys have anywhere near the upside of Anthony Richardson.
Oh, really?
My play here is that. I'm aware of that. You think Deshaun Watson, Aaron Rodgers, is Stafford. Sure, none of those guys have anywhere near the upside of Anthony Richardson. Oh, really? My play here is that.
I'm aware of that.
You think Deshaun Watson, Aaron Rodgers,
have the Anthony Richardson upside?
I know he doesn't.
I'm just saying you spend it at other positions.
I believe that Anthony Richardson at $17 in a 2QB format
could be worth a lot more than a $2 Drake line.
I would also take Anthony Richardson.
I'm just saying there are different ways to do it in 2QB leagues.
You don't have to have great quarterbacks to win.
Also, it's a 10-team league here.
That helps.
That helps.
Yeah, I'm going to change my answer on the previous one.
I think Puka with the last-round pick.
Thank you.
And Drake London here.
Again, Jamie going with me.
Before the show, what did Jamie say about me?
That was devastating.
Are we getting to that now?
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We're going to read three or four emails and then we'll talk about the match.
All right. This is from...
I also have a test for Dan that applies to Adam.
Oh.
Oh, okay.
What a good test.
I definitely got better grades than Dan, so I think...
I don't know if that's true for sure. I had a very good GPA in high school and college.
Not as good as mine. And I didn't... if that's true for sure. I had a very good GPA in high school and college. Not as good as mine.
And I didn't have my major wasn't theater.
My major was not.
That was my second major.
All right.
This is from Jesse in a town in wind country.
That's probably supposed to be wine country.
Petaluma, California.
All right.
This is it says, Dear Adam, Dave, Heath and Jamie.
Sorry, dude.
Listen to your recent round seven through nine wide receiver episode. Uh, I heard you talk a
lot about Zay Flowers with or without Mark Andrews. I didn't hear much about the presence
and now the absence of Odell Beckham Jr. How are you attributing OBJ's vacated targets? Do
they change your thoughts about Flowers at all?
A little bit, but I think it goes more to the conversation about twofold for me.
You've heard just a lot of love for Rashad Bateman,
and I think that's where that goes.
And then will they do what probably makes the most sense for their team,
which is get Isaiah likely more involved and run a little bit more two tight end sets
that open up the opportunity for him to be more involved in the passing game.
So yes, it should benefit Zay Flowers. Obviously,
anytime somebody leaves and you have a talented player like that, and we've talked about this twice in the last two weeks yesterday with Rich Rebar about just vacated targets and opportunities
for Zay Flowers. And what we said about Flowers and how rookie wide receivers go, which is you
usually see the build toward the back end of the season.
Well, what was the back end of the season for him?
Mark Andrews was missing.
So I don't think we have a full definition of just how good he can be.
So I think in the case of flowers,
if you're going to overvalue him because of Odell Beckham not being there,
you're going to make a mistake.
If, or you think he's going to benefit tremendously because of Beckham,
not being there.
I think you're making a mistake, but it should still help.
Yes.
Obviously. Yeah. I was you're making a mistake, but it should still help. Yes, obviously.
Yeah, it's a little surprising,
but Odell Beckham actually had a higher target per out run rate than Zay Flowers.
But Beckham didn't play that much.
After week one, because he got hurt in week two, he missed weeks three and four.
After week one, Beckham never played more than 59% of the snaps.
But when they were both on the field,
Beckham was being targeted at a higher rate than Zay flowers,
you know,
from week five on basically,
which is pretty interesting,
you know,
which is why I actually favored Beckham when,
when Andrews got hurt,
I thought Beckham was going to be better.
And I think he actually may have been better if he played a full
snap share,
but he just,
they never,
they never put him on the
field uh all right next up we have pretty interesting question here from oh what's his name
i don't know but he says hear me out and prove me wrong in the past years the top 20 to 25
maybe had two or three combinations of players on the same team.
So he's actually wrong about that.
He's a little bit low on that.
Hill and Kelsey, Chase and Mixon, Adams and Jacobs, just to list a few.
This year, fantasy analysts are drinking the Kool-Aid because there are six combos in the top 20.
Saquon and A.J. Brown, Hill and A. Chan,
which is not top 20 for us, but in ADP it's close.
Wilson and Hall, Puka and Kyron.
Three Lions in some cases, but definitely St. Brown and Gibbs,
sometimes the Porta.
Bijan Robinson and Drake London.
Add in McCaffrey and Ayuk in some drafts.
That means it's like seven teams are going to be responsible for most of the top 20
fantasy players. Well, he says, yeah, like seven teams will be responsible for about 14 of the top
20 fantasy players, which is ridiculous. Overconcentration will lead to the worst
projection for analysts in years. And I think it's pretty interesting that we are putting a lot of stock in the top 15
to 20 picks in just
a handful of teams. He's right.
What are the teams again?
It would be the Eagles,
the Dolphins, the Jets,
the Rams, the Lions,
and the Falcons.
Yes, Jamie, I know where you're going, but we were
talking about this with Rich yesterday. Every team
is in that McVay, Shanahan, Ben Johnson group except for the Jets.
Right.
I don't know that I make anything of this, but it is really interesting.
It is more combos than what we usually have.
Yeah, go ahead.
Well, I mean, again, to go back to what Rich was talking about, I think we all agree.
You're looking for players on good offenses for the most part.
We're expecting these to be good offenses.
Obviously the jets is the one that you, you look at and say, can they get there? And the,
the answer is obvious that the quarterback is back in the offensive lines upgraded. So that's
the hope. So, um, look, there there's, there's, there's a reason why we project, right. And
there's a reason why that word is what it is. You know's not like it's a guarantee if it was a guarantee we'd say okay yes you could take um rashad white in the
first round because he's going to do what he did exactly the same way again you know i mean it's
just you have to look at offenses and players and talent what they're able to accomplish and that's
what we're hoping for so it just happens to fall this way i think that these guys are on same
on similar teams and you and are coming off big seasons
or we're expecting them to have big seasons.
I mean, look, the Jets and the Falcons are clear projections
because things are different from what it was a year ago,
and we're looking at these talented players and hoping that they take a step forward.
I think a lot of it comes down to just the changing in the NFL.
We're getting to a point where offense is much harder to come by, in my mind,
than it has been in a lot of ways over the last few years. And a lot of that has to do
with how defense coordinators have changed, how they scheme against these passing games. They're
not as aggressive. They're playing cover three, cover six, cover two, two high safeties, really
trying to keep everything underneath. So you either have to deal with, uh, you know, you either
score in fantasy points with an efficient path, fantasy offense, or the few that are explosive.
And that's where all of these picks are concentrated in. And I've kind of always
drafted this way personally, but you're still going to miss. There are still the guys on the
bad offenses who get 160 targets or the guys on the bad offense who get 300 plus touches at a
running back position. And those are the guys we should be really looking into who are we missing
on that front that we should maybe be pushing up because those guys will be as valuable,
if not more valuable. So then some of the backend guys on these great offenses that we're putting
up targeting so high and drafting so high, it's just a matter of finding out who those guys are.
To me, it's a little harder to do because those guys seem to come in my mind, at least out of
nowhere in a lot of ways. Sometimes, um, even if you look at like the back half of last season,
for example, it's a smaller example, but like the run George Pickens had when Deontay Johnson was
out and things of that nature, these things are sometimes harder to predict
but that's really where i think the edge is going to be had because we know who the great offenses
are there will be a couple surprising offense no one saw the texans coming last year but what
really is like who are those guys who are going to be the target and touch hogs of their off of
their offenses that aren't as good yeah well i looked at the combos from 2022 2023, the guys that were going in the first two rounds on the same team.
It's different if you want to throw in the quarterbacks, right?
Because you had like Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs.
But last year, the combos were terrible.
We did not do well with this.
We had, unless you want to count the quarterbacks,
like Jalen Hurts and A.J. Brown, that was fine.
But also Devontae Smith was 25th in ADP.
So that was a huge fail.
We had Diggs and Allen.
I don't know how you want to consider that.
I think, you know, overall Diggs was good,
but probably not worth the first-round pick, obviously.
Jacobs and Adams, that was a disaster.
Waddle and Hill.
They weren't on the same team.
They were, sorry.
Yeah, they were.
Waddle and Hill. Obviously, Waddle was a huge bust lamb and pollard pollard was a bust chase and higgins
were close i think higgins was like 27th in adp if you remove the quarterbacks he would have been
right at the two three turn he was a huge bus so the combos were not good last year right they
were better in 2022 like like Chase and Mixon,
Adams,
not that one,
it wasn't great,
Adams and Aaron Jones.
Jones, I don't think,
was great.
Jefferson and Dalvin Cook was kind of on the border.
Eckler and Keenan Allen.
Keenan Allen was just
outside the top 24,
but they were great per game.
But we also had, like,
Leonard Fournette
and Mike Evans
going at the 2-3 turn.
So these combos
haven't worked out,
but that doesn't,
it's not necessarily
because they're on the same team.
Just maybe coincidence, but they haven't really worked out so well well i i think
though maybe the bigger picture is don't take two guys on the same team on your own team that's a
good point that i've always so i i don't mind stacking quarterback receiver i don't know but
your first two picks that i don't mind either personally i'm willing but again this goes back
to the question we had earlier.
What kind of player are you in fantasy?
And I am not really interested in being in the middle.
I don't mind bottoming out and having a year.
That's really bad.
I would like to go to win it all.
So I think stacking is a way that you can try to push to be one of the better teams.
Now, I do think you cannibalize yourself if you go quarterback, running back.
That's something I never invest in.
Oh, yeah.
Don't do that.
All right.
Next up, we have... I want to give you the test oh okay go ahead the azure test all right
dan you you the three of us are in adam's wonderful big burger dynasty league right yes
do not look at your roster i'm going to ask you if these players are on your roster roster. Okay. Sure. Zay Flowers.
Yes.
Stefan Diggs.
Yes.
Rashad Bateman.
Yes.
Khalil Shakir.
No.
And Brian Thomas Jr.
Yes.
Okay.
You passed the test.
Do you know the players that are on your roster? Yeah.
I love my roster.
I know my roster.
Adam, just how many did Adam get wrong?
No.
It was our fantasy baseball team. Adam and I share a
fantasy baseball team. Oh, I saw
that text message. It was a disaster. We didn't even
know you had Paul Skeens on your team.
The best pitcher in baseball.
He doesn't even know he's on the team. And then he asked, did you
drop him? I thought we cut him.
Did he say, I thought we cut him? Who would
ever cut him?
His first outing was like a perfect
six-inning shutout. I know, I know. I thought he was one of these guys like, well, I wish we could keep him, but I think we have to drop him. Because we had a crunch. His first outing was like a perfect, like a six inning shutout. I know, I know.
I thought he was one of these guys like,
well, I wish we could keep him,
but I think we have to drop him.
Like Shane Bottoms.
Why would you have to drop him at any point?
Because we had a roster crunch when we picked him up
and we probably had somebody coming off the I.O.
or something.
I didn't know.
Oh my God.
So I said to Adam,
I just sent Adam for anybody to see what I tweeted out
or Twixed out, whatever we call it now.
I said, I just text him,
Skeens.
And he says, what did he do?
And I said, he had a no-no through
seven. And Adam says,
do we still have him?
When are you dropping him as
co-manager? At this point, it's just
past it, right?
Is it just like charity at this
point that you're keeping him on your... I don't understand. I don want to spend the full 50 i want him to share with me i like it i
like it i like it we were i am looking back at a text exchange a text exchange between us and we
were considering dropping skeins oh no we were considering trading. Trading him. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For Anthony Volpe.
Wow.
That would have been a huge mistake.
Okay.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Um,
that was when,
that was before he was called up though.
Okay,
please let's,
let's go.
Joe from a taco shop.
Wait,
are you saying we drafted him?
No,
we picked them up.
Nice.
Joe from a taco shop in central Pennsylvania.
Dear pastor,
barbacoa,
carnitas,
and fish. Ooh, let's rank Pastor, Barbacoa, Carnitas, and Fish.
Ooh, let's rank them.
Ooh, Pastor.
So, Al Pastor, off the spit we're talking about, right? Like a true Mexican taco shop
when you get it off the spit, the meat spit,
Pastor? Whatever that means, sure.
You never had that? Al Pastor off the spit?
Off the spit? I don't know.
Yeah, the rotating meat thing.
That's by far the best.
By far the best.
Tacos El Gordo, check it out in Vegas when you're out there.
Off there, El Pastor is off the chains.
Shout out to it.
I mean, this is not a place I know.
I have no affiliation to Tacos El Gordo.
But again, go to Denville, Church Street Bagels, Frankie Bagels.
But ask for Frankie Bagels.
But El Pastor won.
What were the other ones?
Carnitas, Barbacoa, and Fish.
Barbacoa, too. Carnitas. Well,acoa and fish. Barbacoa to carnitas.
Well, actually, you know what?
I take it back.
A really good fish taco is number two.
But some of these places use crappy frozen fish.
Just ain't the same.
So, I mean, just like bad.
Like there's good frozen fish and there's bad frozen fish.
Like, you know what I mean?
So I'm going to go good fish taco to barbacoa three carnitas for.
OK, I'm going to go carnitas, to barbacoa three carnitas four. Okay. I'm going to go carnitas past or barbacoa fish.
So anyway,
Joe,
Amy doesn't get to answer this.
It doesn't,
he doesn't seem to want to answer it.
He doesn't seem to want to answer.
I give you that.
He does not seem to want to answer this.
We're reading that the same way.
All right.
So anyway,
Joe says,
I will gladly roll into the season week at RB two.
If I'm playing in a fab league.
In fact, I'd even
recommend it as a strategy. We can't guarantee a lot in fantasy, but every year there are great
players to be had on waivers. With fab, you are assured a chance to pick one of those players,
and that foresight should be in mind while drafting. Now, if you pick the right players
or bid enough is what still makes it a game, but it's still better than your chances with waivers.
You'll be given a shot at blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm also a fan of spending more early in the year with fab because you get more return
on what you spent on your roster.
All right, I'll start.
Oh, I don't really agree necessarily.
I think you might be don't.
OK, don't be over influenced by last year.
Last year was the the best year that I can ever remember for zero RB.
It was a running back,
you know, madhouse.
And, you know,
a guy like Kyron Williams
coming off of waivers,
it's just so rare.
But there were a lot
of good players
to be picked up
throughout the year.
And we called it
like the year of zero RB.
It's not always like that.
Also, I don't know
that I like to spend big early.
I get that,
spend big early
because if you hit
the right guy,
you get him for the full year, basically,
like Jerome Ford,
who I think Jamie got for $0 last year,
by the way, before Nick Chubb got hurt.
Actually, Dave got him for $0,
and then Dave dropped him,
and then Jamie, I think,
picked him up for $0.
Anyway, yeah, but if you miss on someone,
because this happens a lot,
like Amari DiMarcato,
I was looking at some transactions. Amari DiMarcato. I was looking at some transactions.
Amari DiMarcato, on two separate occasions, went for a decent chunk last year, and it never paid off.
So I like to save my fab if I can.
But, Dan, what do you have to say about this whole philosophy?
Every time this happens, Adam, I'm not aggressive enough with the FAB.
This happened in Pucunuku last year,
and I always end up regretting it. I think the guys to be had on free agents are usually week one and week two. And I don't think anything comes anywhere close after that. Last year was
a good example. I don't want to just use that. I don't have the time. Maybe after this podcast,
I'll take a look at it and go back. But I think there was one the year before as well that I
remember. And I would bet if we look back, because I always end up when I don't do it,
I've been on your side of this, Adam,
far too long of saving the FAB.
And I ended up having so much FAB.
I'm hitting week eight, six, nine, 10, 11.
Now I'm using like 20% on some idiot,
like you said, or I don't want to call him an idiot,
but like some guy that doesn't help my team.
I don't always say, okay, I'm just saying,
I'm not going to spend like $90 on somebody in week three
because he's the backup running back replacing.
Week one or two.
It's not week three.
It has to really be that early breakout.
But if you did it for Puka or Kyron last year, it was well worth it.
Yes, if you did.
But if you did it for Jerome Ford, it would have been an overpay.
Not a terrible overpay, but an overpay.
I think the question becomes, though, 90% versus like 30%
because 30% is still a big chunk of your budget,
but you're not spending all of it.
30 wouldn't have got you there last year, I remember.
Well, it depends.
Kyron went for $34 in our FFT league out of 100.
Who is that?
Kyron.
Who did?
Kyron Williams out of $100.
I got him in a pretty competitive league.
I got him for $17.
So, again, it comes down to, I think the biggest thing is know your league.
Right.
Is your league, if you've been playing with them year over year, are they conservative or are they going to have one or two people that do this?
And I probably play in the most leagues of the three of us.
My oldest leagues, I know that there's always – my oldest league, I know there's one guy that whenever there's somebody that pops week one,
he will spend 50 plus percent of his budget. No matter what.
There you go.
He's that guy.
If you want that particular player and you think he's going to be that type of guy,
then you have to spend it.
Now, there are different circumstances.
So like I see Matt Weber, for example, in the comment,
Tyrone Tracy and Devin Singletary.
If Singletary gets hurt week one.
Sure.
And Tracy has clearly been the guy all training camp,
and you know he's going to now be the focal point,
everybody's going to spend on him.
Right.
Not me.
Well, I mean, will I spend? Yes.
Will I win? No, I probably won't.
Like, okay, let's play this scenario out.
Tyrone Tracy is the number two running back behind Devin Singletary.
Singletary has a season-ending injury in week one.
You have $100 in fab.
How much are you spending on Tyron Tracy?
If your
roster is a
hero RB, zero RB build,
you're spending probably 60 plus
percent. This year, I will be spending
60 to 70. Past years, I was
with you, Adam. I'd go 30 or 40, and I'd lose
every time. I'm not spending that much
money on a running back who does not
profile as an every down back on one
of the worst offenses in the NFL.
It's got to be the right scenario.
I understand what you're saying, Profile, but they've been using
him that way in training camp.
I'm getting ready.
Jamie's saying there's hints of
Kyron minus the good offense, but as far as
the usage goes. That might be not
the best example to use, but you know what I'm saying?
It's just because I saw the name.
Okay, Ty Chandler.
Let's say Aaron Jones suffers a season-ending injury.
And Ty Chandler, that's a good example.
Yeah, that's a guy I would consider 60% for.
Okay.
Because he's done it already.
He's shown you already.
I think also if you came out of your draft and you happened to go,
let's say you had the first pick,
you have McCaffrey and then your,
your second and third running backs are Zach Moss and James Connor.
Let's say,
you know,
four or five turn or five,
six turn,
you know,
you ended up with those two guys.
You probably don't need to spend big.
Right.
True.
And then I'm going to put in a And then I'm going to put in a bid
that I know is going to lose for no reason.
But you never know. Just a waste of my time.
Yeah, of course. By the way,
if you want to laugh, go through one of your
leagues and look at some transactions.
So yeah, Dave added Jerome Ford
for $0, dropped him the same day.
Nick Chubb must have been healthy at that point.
And then one week later... What was the week?
It was week two. This must have been like at that point. And then one week later. What was the week? It was week two.
This must have been like preseason or something.
One week later, QB Dan 77, which I believe is Jamie,
added Jerome Ford for $0.
But he dropped Jaden Reed for Ford, which was fine at the time.
Kyron Williams went for $34.
Gus Edwards went for $26.
We saw like a Josh Kelly for $11.
Justice Hill for $11. We saw like a Josh Kelly for $11, Justice Hill for $11.
How about this?
On September 17th, the guy who used to work with George,
he dropped Devon Achan and he added Isaiah Hodgins.
Four days later, Heath Cummings added Achan for $2.
Kareem Hunt went for $35 at one point.
Tony Jones went for $15.
And then here's a stretch of Dan Schneier,
although in this league he's Daniel Schneier.
Matt Breida for $9.
Ty Chandler for $0.
I don't know if you held on to him.
Deontay Foreman for $19.
Amari DiMarcato for $18.
See what I mean?
I'm just like burning cash here by not going for the big guy. This is all in a row?
No, it's probably within
a three or four weeks.
I needed running backs, clearly.
My guess is this is
probably a point in the season. We're probably three or four weeks in at this point.
And Dan realized, oh, we're playing this
league out.
That happened one
time, but the high league issue,
this has been remedied since.
I know what happened.
It won't happen again.
And by the way, I ended up making the playoffs in that league.
Now, if you want to wait until after the break,
we'll tell you what Jamie predicted before the show.
And then we will rapid fire through the rest of emails.
We have a fantasy cops, and we'll get to some YouTube questions.
We haven't had enough cops lately.
I'm glad we're getting back to the cops.
Yeah.
All right.
We'll get to that in one moment after this on FFT.
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Jamie made a bold prediction
before the show started today.
What you got, Jamie?
About tennis?
Yeah.
You're going to beat Dan.
It's a pretty bold prediction.
It was my Jordan moment.
If anyone has seen the last dance documentary
when jordan's sitting on that couch and he's like and what what does he say he goes he's sitting on
that couch he's got his head down he's like and that was i forgot damn it i missed the moment um
he's like do you guys remember from the last yeah this is this is really wow i'm terrified right now
he's like and i took that personally that's what it was you know and i took that i gotta say something about and i took that personally. That's what it was. And I took that personally.
That was my Jordan moment.
And when Jamie predicting that you will beat me,
I took that personally for a multitude of
reasons, but I will say this.
There is a caveat to it, though. You cannot
pick up a racket before you play. I don't plan to.
I have no interest in it. I have too much
golf on the schedule. Except you did
last week. You broke that promise. I told you.
I played with my dad one time. Oh, then forget it. Now you're going to be... One time? That's all I need? Yeah, you shook off the schedule. Except you did last week. You broke that promise. I told you I played with my dad one time. Oh, then
forget it. Now you're going to be one
time. That's all I need. You took off the rust.
By the way, I mean, I was
very rusty. I was very rusty. He
went up 3-0, but then I beat him 6-3.
But he did go up 3-0. How sensitive
is Michael Jordan? I mean,
like, there could be a press conference
like, yeah, Michael Jordan's a great player, but you know, we
have a lot of confidence. I think we have a good chance to win.
And Jordan would be like, what the hell did he just say?
He uses that as his motivation to win, just like I will.
So I'll let you reframe this, Jamie.
After your comment that Adam would beat me, I'm so offended by that.
And like I said, Adam, he calling Michael Jordan sensitive.
I am sensitive as well.
Just the fact that you would think he would beat me.
I played tennis my whole life, and Adam's just picking up the sport.
I don't want him playing anymore, but it doesn't matter.
We also forget about the fact that Adam, okay,
let's not even get into the athleticism side of this because that's for
another day because I know I'm a better athlete than Adam overall.
But, and I think you should be thinking that too, Jamie,
just looking at us too.
But with that said, with that said, I will now, based on what you said,
pick up a racket.
I don't know when, but I'm going to play at least once before our match.
Probably with my dad again.
August 3rd or 4th.
Let's go.
No, my next four weekends are out of the picture.
We need to do a weekday.
Do it a weekday.
And this, by the way, this is going to be for charity because you're going to have to donate.
We're only doing the match if we reach a certain amount of donations, which we will clarify details on this later.
But we need to hit a check mark.
This is from Dustin.
What we should do is people should bid on each of you.
Okay.
And whoever wins, CBS matches the winning donation.
I like that.
I like that.
Adam?
Oh, wow.
That's a great idea. That's probably the best idea I've heard yet. We've been looking for ideas. wow. That's a great idea.
That's probably the best idea I've heard yet.
We've been looking for ideas.
Yeah, that's a great idea.
Okay, this is a great start.
Thank you, Jamie.
What about if the loser matches it?
Oh, Thomas, that one, I wish you hadn't said on air, but you did.
Yeah, I don't know that I'm into that.
We got some deep-pocketed listeners, I don't know that I'm into that. We got some deep-pocketed listeners.
I don't know.
That one.
I wouldn't want to do that to Dan.
I wouldn't want to do that to Dan.
Okay, this is Dustin.
Dustin says,
I don't want to do that to you, buddy.
Is Traylon Burks toast?
Why hasn't he been able to earn targets?
Was he hurt last year?
Is he a late-round best ball target
that could pop off?
Or is that impossible at this point? Traylon Burks. Jamie, go ahead. Give me 10 seconds. I mean, he a late round best ball target that could pop off or is that impossible at this
point? Traylon Burks, Jamie, go ahead. Give me 10 seconds. I mean, he's fourth at best on the
depth chart and that's hard to even say it's a guarantee. So I would hope that they trade him
at this point, but it feels like it's going to be a lost career for Traylon Burks. Unfortunately,
I really hope they trade him. His, he was fun to watch at Arkansas, man. Like he was raw.
He didn't run that much of a route tree, but he was electric. And I thought he was going to be a really good player in the NFL.
And so it's disappointing.
I've been wrong on prospects before.
You're going to be wrong.
You can't hit the draft a hundred percent.
No one does not even NFL GMs.
Someone took Jalen Rager, the best GM in the NFL,
took Jalen Rager over Justin Jefferson,
just to give you an idea of how hard it is to be a GM and how hard it is
to predict these talent.
But I agree with you, Jamie, can we get a trade?
Like, give him up.
Like, what are you doing with this guy?
We got to move on.
We got to move on.
From Bill, he's got a team name.
He said, we're going to get so many Hawk Tua team names.
Oh, no, it's a Hawk Tua.
Hawk Tua Nakua.
I think, you know, if you're going to do Hawk Tua,
like, it's so easy with Hawkinson and Tua.
But, like, figure out some clever,
you know,
nuance to it.
I don't think Hawk to
an Akua is,
is necessarily that
you've got to draft all
three,
at least if you're going
to do that,
by the way,
Thomas wants to know
if good game,
Mike is what you're
referring to that made
my,
yeah,
it might've been,
but I don't know.
It was just him on the,
like he,
in his house,
he was drinking a glass
of water.
His eyes.
No,
you got it right.
And I took that personally. Yeah. And I took that personally.
Yeah, and I took that personally.
What, good game mic he took personally?
Anything.
Jamie picking you over me.
That's it.
He took that personally.
Okay, this is...
Oh, Fantasy Cop.
Wait, I forgot the music.
Sorry, I have to do this a little bit more.
It's not the same without the music.
Oh, Fantasy Cops.
Yeah, even more than usual, friend.
There we go.
Can you guys hear this?
Fantasy Cops from John.
Hey, Peter, John, Philip,
Alan, Mork, and Euphigenia.
Peter, John, Philip, Alan, Mork,
and Euphigenia.
I've got this.
Oh, it's Robin Williams' character.
Hello, Jamie.
Good job. I don't know who all of them are
but they're definitely let's see um more is easy peter pan right yeah from hook euphogenia doubt
fire more john which is what what's good morning vietnam yeah i've never seen it. What? I know, I know, I know. You've already given me grief for that one.
Philip Allen and John.
I'll look into it.
Fantasy Cops.
I joined a Dynasty startup a couple of weeks ago.
12-team Superflex.
PPR.
0.75 tight end premium.
Start 10.
So does that mean it's 1.75 for a tight end catch, I guess?
Okay.
In the 12th round of the startup draft,
the commissioner put in a vote to change the scoring
to add kick and punt return yards.
I don't have an issue with this setting,
and it likely would not have changed any picks in the draft,
but changing a scoring setting of any type,
but I raise the concern that it's not right
to change any settings during the draft.
Of course not.
Put it to a vote and it passed seven to five,
which is not unanimous or even 80%,
which is what most of my leagues do.
I said that this should open the door
to other settings changes just to make a point
and said that we should add a second tight end as a starter spot more trolling and making a point since i drafted
three startable tight ends he said he'd put it to a vote but it was pointless well it got eight yes
votes before he took he took the poll down and said it's not happening and that there would be
no changes am i wrong to bash the commissioner even though the change was minor at most it's
the principle of the thing.
This is one of my favorite fantasy cops ever.
I love whoever this is who emailed us in.
You're one of my favorite people who have ever emailed us in the history of fantasy football today that I've been on the show, at least, because that was an A-plus troll job by you.
You proved your point perfectly by the league voting it in.
And then the commissioner's like, oh, never mind.
I can't do it anymore.
We're voting it down.
But we'll keep the other one that I like that we put in, the return yardage one.
No, of course you cannot add change its scoring setting mid-draft.
This is one of the most obvious things ever in fantasy football.
I don't understand why this was allowed by the commissioner.
I don't even understand why the commissioner wanted to do this.
He probably had like Rashid, Shashid, whatever, next in his queue or whatever.
Rashid, I can't even pronounce the guy's name
spent like fourth round in my scott fishbowl he went like early fourth in my scott fishbowl which
is wild but i guess he was like the 12th highest scoring player last year in that format but um
no you can't change scoring settings mid drafts is absurd okay yeah i'm just looking at robin
williams imdb page i love that A-plus troll job, though.
That was an excellent job.
Okay, he played Dead Poets Society?
Was he in that?
Never saw it.
I don't think I've seen it.
The only movie I saw of him you said were...
Good Will Hunting.
Oh, Good Will Hunting.
Yeah, who was he in that?
How about them apples?
He was Sean in that.
I've seen Good Will Hunting.
I've seen Miss Doubtfire.
I don't think I've seen any of the others.
I agree with you.
Oh, no, you never saw Hook.
You've seen Peter Pan.
I've never seen Peter Pan.
It's not Peter Pan.
It's Hook.
You never saw Hook?
Yeah, I don't think I've seen Hook.
That's great.
Anyway, thank you very much for the Fantasy Cops email.
It's a few more emails here.
We'll finish with some app,
uh,
some YouTube questions.
All right.
This is a non PPR question from a guy that lives in the best city in Texas.
Austin.
Yeah.
It's obviously Austin.
I don't want to say obvious.
There's a lot of great cities in Texas and you probably just offended a lot of
people,
but Austin is the best.
I've only been to Austin.
So I'm just going to say,
well,
that's did I go to, I think it'm just going to say it's Austin. Oh, well, that's...
Did I go to...
I may have been to Houston.
No, I don't think so.
I've been to Houston, Austin, Dallas, San Antonio, El Paso.
A lot of good areas.
I like Texas a lot.
I have the number one pick in my non-keeper standard scoring league,
and I have three routes I'm considering.
Let me know which route you'd go.
Take Christian McCaffrey and then a combination of ETN, Rashad White, and Pacheco.
And then hit wide receivers hard in the next rounds.
Pick Lamb first and then go with two to three straight running backs after that.
ETN, Rashad White, Pacheco.
You know, two of them with CeeDee Lamb instead of McCaffrey.
Or three, take McCaffrey first and then two wide receivers or maybe Laporta or Kelsey.
Like two of Evans, Olave, and Laporta, Kelsey.
Give me that one.
I'm on option three.
Dan, you know this is non-PPR.
Non-PPR makes it a little tougher, but I still don't like investing.
It just doesn't make enough of a difference for me
because I still think the anti-fragility argument is still in play,
PPR or non-PPR.
I don't want those top investments to be these running backs.
Uh, so for me, it's Kelsey, it's McCaffrey, and then one of these receivers.
I would much like to get to running backs early in non PPR.
So if I can get to in my first three picks, I would.
Okay.
Um, Joe Lynn says hook has some iconic lines that I use in my daily life i bet it's amazing joe i
just have not seen a lot of the best movies like i just saw last weekend for the first time the
prestige amazing movie i had never seen it it was really good it's a good movie i just saw an amazing
amazing it was an amazing what do you mean that's one of the best i think that's considered probably
a top 50 all time oh have you said no you, you know, there are more than 51 movies that have been made.
You know that.
You don't think the prestige is probably a top 50 all time.
This is this is as bad as any take I've ever had.
Are you kidding me?
Christopher Nolan, Christian Bale.
It's not even the best Christopher Nolan, Christian Bale movie.
It's a phenomenal movie.
I think everybody knows it's in one of the best movies.
It's not even one of the 50 best
Christian Bale. Not like by
critics. Just like top 50 movies
you want to watch. Okay, yeah, just by Dan's
list. Not my list.
Oh my God. Is this a
real thing?
There it is. Bang! Schaefer, let's go.
43rd ranked movie of all time.
The Prestige. Let's go. Yeah, that's like IMDB's top 250 movieser let's go 43rd ranked movie of all time the prestige let's go yeah that's like
imdb's top 250 oh this is the best thing you've ever done for me thomas actually no it's not you
putting up the video imagine liking the music by far the best thing you've ever done for me boy
boy the prestige has got to be now i think one of the most overrated movies of all time
how it's unbelievable movie it's like really well done. That was a great movie.
Wow.
It's a good movie, but 43.
That was impressive, Dan.
You know what?
I got to take the L on that.
You know what, though, Adam?
I feel like we got set up there.
That was too quick to happen.
That was actually right off the top of my head.
No setup with me and Thomas.
We just worked.
We got good chemistry going.
All right.
Question from Kevin in Houston.
How about that?
Dear Jalen.
Not anymore.
Don't listen to us after what you said.len jeremy john and alan jaylen jeremy john and alan um
jaylen brunson jeremy lynn oh john stark's alan houston stark's alan houston
you guys look at next Dan. Nick Starks.
How about that?
No, you help me there.
This is from Kevin.
He's, oh, as you know.
He said he plays in one non-PPR league.
How do you approach, I put these back-to-back on purpose.
How do you approach the first few rounds of non-PPR?
So, Jamie, you said you want to come away with two running backs.
Yeah, I think just the format, you know, especially if you're able to get, you know, Pacheco pacheco for me uh you know if i get i'm talking about the beginning of the round you
know so the mcafree scenario that you pointed out but yeah i mean if you can get and i know
dan would be behind this one derrick henry in round two after taking a running back in round one
i still don't think you pass on for me it's the top uh i'm trying to think where i cut it off
so i cut it off at the top eight receivers.
Those are the only guys I would take in the first two rounds.
So we talk about most of those guys going in the first round.
So once I get past Garrett Wilson in round two,
I would prefer one of the top two tight ends,
and I would definitely lean very heavily toward the running backs.
I also prioritize quarterback more in a non-PPR league.
Sure.
If it's six points per passing touchdown.
Yep.
Jamie, finish this iconic line from Hook.
Because I was thinking about that.
That's a great movie.
I don't really know that many iconic lines.
How about this?
Ready?
Rufio, Rufio, Rufi.
Oh.
There.
It's more like, oh, but I'll give you partial credit.
All right, this is from Pal.
I'm terrified to draft any Packers, wide receivers, or tight ends.
There are just too many mouths to feed.
With that being said, who do you have the most faith in
in regards to their ADP?
And if one of them were to fall to you,
who would you jump on, on the Packers?
Of the tight ends? Only Watson to me.
No, receivers or tight ends.
I really like them all from a talent standpoint.
I think it would be Watson for me, though, from the upside standpoint.
But I would say Wicks as well.
Yeah.
Although, you know, the more I think about where Romeo Dobbs is free.
I know.
It is good.
He's going to play a lot of snaps too on the outside.
Like he probably will play the most snaps.
I think the thing about, you know, buying into this offense is you,
you just want a piece of it.
And, you know, as long as you don't have to overpay for reader at this point,
even overpay for Watson, then just take whoever's left.
So like I drafted, for example, Jordan love in the fishbowl.
And I was hoping to stack him with Watson.
And he went right before me.
So now I'm going to try and target Wicks or Dobbs or both.
Okay, this is from Jacob.
Subject line, The Bear, Season 3, Episode 1.
Jacob says, I absolutely agree with you, Adam.
That episode was trash.
Thank you. Appreciate that.
My friend also thought that.
You know, it's one of the most polarizing episodes. Kevin, is that his name? My friend also thought that you know it's one of the most polarizing episodes
kevin is that his name my friend kevin thought that uh i didn't think it was like i'm not as
strong as you guys are on it i'll say this the second half of the third season was a lot better
than the first half of the first third season i'm not gonna give away any spoilers but i don't know
i thought it lost a little bit of zip on its fastball in general this season i didn't like
the seasons one or two. Agreed.
Yeah, so far. I've only seen three episodes of
the third season. But my god, is House
of Dragons getting good the last two episodes?
House of the Dragon.
Did you watch it?
I fell asleep halfway through last night.
Through the fourth episode? Yeah.
What the heck?
I started at midnight. It's not that I was bored.
Oh my god. Clearly you didn't get to the end. I don't think you would's not that I was bored. I was tired. Oh, my God.
Clearly, you didn't get to the end.
I don't think you would have fallen asleep if you got to a certain point in that episode.
No, I'm enjoying it.
I like it a lot.
It's just –
Wow.
Yeah.
I don't know what you were doing, Dan.
I actually was watching it when we did our Scott Fishball mock draft.
I waited until the end of that because I wanted to be focused.
So I was watching it, and so not giving anything away,
but as the show was unfolding, I was like,
not even looking at the draft.
Yeah, I know.
How could you?
It's a crazy episode that Adam apparently fell asleep to.
I'm never going to let you end that.
Once you see what happens at the end of that episode.
Thanks for telling me.
Just stop.
Just stop talking.
That's not giving away anything.
If you're considering that a spoiler, you're out of your mind.
Honestly.
All right.
Back to the show.
I got a bone to pick with people who are like over-exact.
Sorry, Gene.
What did you say?
I said when the two queens mud wrestle.
That's the part you want to miss.
I got a bone to pick with people who consider anything to be a spoiler.
Not everything is a spoiler.
Me saying the episode was great.
No, I don't like that.
I don't want to hear anyone's opinion.
I want to go in blind.
I want to go in knowing nothing.
Okay.
Sorry.
Yeah, you are.
From John.
No, I'm not.
That was a fake apology.
No, but listen, five days is not, you have to watch it within five days.
I tried.
All right.
From John.
12 team, full PPR league, two keepers from the previous season.
One has to be top five of their position
and one non-top five.
I'm able to keep Brees Hall and Justin Jefferson.
That worked out. Cool.
I have pick 103.
It's two running back, two receiver, one flex.
I'm probably going to have
to choose between Puka Nakua, Garrett Wilson,
or Josh Allen. Keep in mind,
Hurts, Jackson, Purdy, Tua, Stroud,
Goff, and Mahomes have already been kept. Who would you choose? Puka, Wilson, or Josh Allen? Keep in mind, Hertz, Jackson, Purdy, Tua, Stroud, Goff, and Mahomes have already been kept.
So who would you choose?
Puka, Wilson, or Josh Allen?
One QB, he said?
Yeah.
I think for me,
it would be Garrett Wilson.
Yep.
This is from Austin.
Dear Tom, Dwayne, Vin, and Jason,
those are action stars
that Adam would not consider action stars.
Is that from Triple X?
No, it's Tom Cruise,
Dwayne Rock Johnson,
Vin Diesel, and Jason Statham.
That's a funny greeting.
You would consider all those but Tom Cruise action stars.
None of them wear glasses but Tom Cruise.
Exactly.
I kind of look at myself as the one insulting Adam tweet a day
at minimum. Last night, it was around midnight, I was just flipping through. I couldn't look at myself as the one insulting Adam tweet a day, at minimum.
And last night, it was around midnight, I was just flipping through.
I couldn't find anything to watch.
And Mission Impossible 3 was on, I think, USA.
And I was like, hmm, I wonder if Adam would consider this.
Probably not.
Is Gus Edwards the best value in fantasy this season, asks Austin.
He's in the conversation.
Is it a good chance that he will be the best value in fantasy?
Trying to think who else I would consider to be that right now.
I don't know.
I'd have to really look into that.
You have to certainly speculate.
But really, the three Bills receivers to certainly speculate, but like, you know, the, the, really the three
bills receivers that are going where they are Coleman, Shakir and Samuel, one of those
guys is probably gonna end up being really good.
Um, the, the Edwards is teammate, you know, whether it's, uh, if it's not McConkie, you
know, if it's one of the other two or three guys, you know, Palmer makes the most sense,
but it could be Quentin Johnson still.
I think Palmer when Palmer has played with Justin Herbert and without either Keenan Allen or Mike Williams, he's averaged somewhere around seven and a half targets per game.
So he's really sticking out to me right now.
It's great value.
Jamie, some guy that a guy that we've talked about previously as being among the best value is Tajay Spears.
If he's really not going in the top 100,
which I still see.
Yeah.
I was thinking later than that,
but yes,
that's a great call.
Um,
for sure.
Uh,
Watson,
you know,
is one of those guys,
Christian Watson.
You know,
if he hits,
he's going to be an amazing value pick.
Uh,
one guy for me that I draft a lot is,
uh,
Pat Frymouth.
You know,
I,
I think just given the opportunity that he has,
if he can become
the second guy in terms of
targets, I know we crap on Arthur Smith
a lot, but you look at his offenses and they target
tight ends a lot. Now you could say, okay,
Kyle Pitts did not have a great season, but
the combination of Kyle Pitts and Johnny Smith
last year was a top 12
tight end. You're getting
that position and clearly you look at this
receiving core for Pittsburgh, it's a mess. That's a great point. Good call.
All right. Let's see if we have any comments here on YouTube to finish off the show.
Joe Lynn says, tricking people with masks is not action. That would be my hypothetical take
on Mission Impossible 3. I kind of agree. It's a little cheap that they can just put on these
masks and disguise and just be someone else. It's kind of agree. It's a little cheap that they can just put on these masks and disguise and just like be someone else.
It's like kind of it's kind of how I felt about the what's her name?
The Red Woman in Thrones.
Oh, Melisandre.
Yeah.
You know, she did that thing where she like gave birth to a demon who or who assassinated someone.
Right.
Yeah.
Why couldn't she have just done that?
Spoiler.
Yeah. fascinated someone, right? Why couldn't she have just done that? It's a spoiler. Yeah, sorry. Why couldn't she have just done that
like all the time
and just change the entire outcome of everything?
It was kind of like cheap, I thought.
Yes, imagine doing that in a fantasy thriller.
Yeah, but you got to play by the rules.
Like using dragons.
But you can use dragons all the time.
If you had some special power
that was so deadly why wouldn't you use it again they should have made it like take a huge toll on
her body so that so that she couldn't do it again well didn't you it did didn't you see that episode
like four seasons later where she didn't have that necklace on no yeah you know what i'm talking
about i don't remember anything when she got old old. When she got, when she was in a column.
Right,
right.
Yeah,
that's right.
Okay. Do we have any questions here?
That's what happens to Adam
when he takes off his hairpiece.
Okay.
Well,
you don't have a single question
right now on YouTube,
so we can end our show.
All right.
I'm going to destroy Adam and tennis
and make Jamie's prediction
look horrific.
I like this new twist.
We get donations for each side.
It is a great idea by you.
We have to figure it out.
It's like in, what's the Jean-Claude
Van Damme movie? It's all like fight movies.
The guys walk around the crowd and they take money for each side.
Oh, yeah. Lionheart.
Yeah.
All of his movies.
We'll have Team Adam and Team Dan.
Team Adam, Team Dan. We see if CBS will match the winner. yeah all of his movies but yeah and we'll have team adam and team dan team adam team dan i like
it and then we see if cbs will match the winner there's going to be a lot of team adam i can
already tell but i will those who will be those who will support me team dan you will be happy
you did so uh i have two questions here can you guys try and convince me about starting bangles
players and who is your daddy and what does he do is another question we have nice but can you guys try and convince me about starting Bengals players? And who is your daddy and what does he do is another question we have.
But can you guys try and convince me about starting Bengals players?
This commenter is not sold.
I think it's really all about Joe Burrow for me.
If he's good, they're going to be great.
Well, first off, I mean, anybody not buying into Jamar Chase,
with or without Joe Burrow, he's still a starter.
So that's an easy one. Um,
past him, it's, it's, it's questions, you know, to receiver league, you can make an argument that
T Hagan should not be a starter. I would still start him and draft him that way, but he can make
the argument and that's, that's more tied to Joe Burrow. And then, you know, if you're not sold on
Zach Moss, which a lot of people aren't, um, you know, then you just pass on the entire backfield
unless, you know, Chase Brown, another guy that could be one of the best values in fantasy i'd love to hear your
thoughts on the latest episode of hard knocks specifically the quarterback draft meetings
yeah i loved the quarterback draft meetings was the best part of the show i tweeted about this
um you know i thought drake may came off looking by far the best of any of those quarterbacks his
recall was unbelievable he seemed like he was in sync with what Brian Dable was.
You thought he was better than Jaden Daniels?
Obviously.
You're joking, right?
Yeah, Jaden Daniels kept getting it wrong.
The Jaden Daniels one was the worst by far.
He had no recall.
He called the play wrong twice.
And then when he asked him how he would solve the problem,
he's like, I'll just throw a touchdown.
That was good?
Yeah.
Not really.
That was a great job by him. Yeah yeah he didn't get the read right but i did like also caleb williams because he came
up with the play he's like what's your favorite play and he broke it down and britain dable's
like well so what did you you throw the post he's like yeah he's like you can throw that he's like
yeah i can throw that ball he's like yeah it takes a big arm talent to fit that window and
caleb's like i can he's like what if it's not there? You'll throw the back shoulder.
And Dave was like, yeah,
I used to call this play for Brett Favre all the time.
And obviously Brett Favre was unbelievable arm talent as well.
So I thought that one was cool as well.
Both of those were enjoyable.
I told Adam this.
I came away a bigger fan.
Yeah, he's a cool guy.
Put a plate of chicken wings.
Okay, let me ask you guys this question.
Put a plate of chicken wings at the end of the 40.
Do you think he could run a 40 in sub-7? No.
No. No.
I think he could. No.
Not at that point. He's lost
like a lot of weight. He's lost a lot of weight. Fine.
What do you guys think you would run your 40s in?
Five.
Five to six
seconds? I hope you're
Is that crazy? More than six? Over six? I don't think you're... Is that crazy?
Is it more than six?
Over six?
I don't think you're a sub-six.
I don't know.
I have no contest.
We did this over five years ago.
Oh, you did?
I missed this.
Me, before you were working here.
Me, Will Brinson.
Good old days.
Joy Taylor.
Who was there? what were the times what were the times yeah i think i was five flat oh okay yeah i think there's a thing i think
i could do five and a half to six well are you like a runner jamie shaffer by the way is i was
i was in better shape and obviously younger at that point but um but you're never a runner or
anything no oh five flat now that gives me hope that I could break.
I didn't think I was even going to break sub six.
Adam, I feel like you'd actually be a runner.
You're so like lengthy and skinny.
I feel like you'd actually be good at this.
No, I'm short.
I'm short.
I'm not lengthy at all.
Will actually was the fastest, surprisingly.
You're not that short.
So I got to say, well, that's coming from a very short person.
I got to say.
I'm five eight.
My favorite player in hard knocks you know from that episode
was marvin harrison i loved his interview yeah i loved how he was he said he'll never tell a
quarterback like malik neighbors like i don't take it well if i don't get the ball early and
that terrifies me you know on a bad offense uh marvin harrison is like i'm never gonna criticize
a quarterback i'm just gonna say it's my fault for not getting open absolutely love that about i also love that he was like yeah like are you
going to do the combine are you going to do are you going to run at the pro day he's like probably
not like i don't really need to i'm just preparing to be a good football player like my body of work
speaks for itself and he was right like it's funny because what those guys go through you know i i
talked to a few trainers usually in the offseason yeah you know they don't train for football right
they train for the combine.
And he's just like, I'm not doing this.
Watch the film and draft me accordingly.
And he was drafted accordingly to the film.
All right, give me three.
Did you get the impression they were going to go from that
Rome over neighbors?
Who?
They like Rome more?
The Giants?
Yeah.
No, no, no.
I got the impression they were in on neighbors.
Especially Dable. Especially Dable. I don't know no. I got the impression they were in on neighbors. Well, Dable said about neighbors.
Especially Dable.
I don't know about – that's the thing.
That's the debate among Giants fans right now.
Was it Shane and Brandon Brown on Rome, and was it Dable pushing hard for neighbors?
But I thought Dable was locked in on neighbors.
Seemed that way.
Okay.
Give me three must-have handcuffs, and we're going to end the show on this.
Okay.
Must-have handcuffs. So we're going to end the show on this. Okay. Must-have handcuffs.
So just let me ask a question.
Are the handcuffs guys who don't play already?
So, like, strictly backups?
I'd say so.
I don't consider it.
We'll start with Elijah Mitchell.
That's a lot of handcuffs.
Get him in there.
Get in Elijah Mitchell to start.
That's the obvious one.
Mitchell.
Have to get that in to start.
I think Corum. But that's the thing. I think he's going to play. That's the obvious one. Mitchell. Have to get that in to start. I think Corum.
But that's the thing.
I think he's going to play.
Okay, right.
Okay, okay, okay.
Someone who is not playing enough to really ever be in your lineup.
If a guy gets five carries a game and scores 2.5 points per game,
that's a handcuff to me.
So that's probably,
to me, that's probably Corum
based on, you know.
Sure.
Right?
Or at least close to it.
So Mitchell, Corum,
I mean, Trey Benson,
does he get more than that?
I think he does.
No.
Yeah, actually, no,
he probably does.
I don't think that counts.
What about Tyler Algier?
Algier, I was just going to say,
what about Algier? Algier's in the mix. You could say Braylon allen you could say tyler algier you can say in the mix i'd rather have tyler algier than braylon allen probably
yeah uh who else would be in this mix nobody in indianapolis i mean not tre. No. Marshawn Lloyd? Yes. I like that. But A.J. Dillon is going to be a factor if Jacobs gets hurt.
Maybe.
Nobody in Baltimore behind Henry if he gets hurt.
Jerome Ford?
I guess that's not a terrible one.
I would think it's Dante Foreman.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he's going to
play.
I mean, they've done
that with Chubb and
Kareem Hunt when
Chubb was as
true.
Right.
True.
Yeah, it's a bad
call.
Terrible call.
Maybe it's not a
year for handcuffs.
No, but I mean,
these are like late
late round picks.
I'm just trying to
think like,
no, not really.
I guess we're looking at right now. Mitchell's the easy one.
You want to say Quorum's not going to play very much
this final year?
I think Chandler is going to play, but I don't think
Chandler's a fine pick because I don't think he's
going to be playing enough to ever start.
Right.
Alright, we're out of here.
Gotta go train.
We will talk to you on Monday
with a fresh episode of Fantasy Football Today
thanks a lot everybody
have a great weekend