Fantasy Football Today - Mike Wright of the Fantasy Footballers Talks Le'Veon Bell, Rookies and More (05/05 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 6, 2020

We're joined by Mike Wright (@FFHitman) of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. He tries to keep our Miles Sanders expectations in check (3:25) before we get to the big Frank Gore news (11:03)! What does ...this mean for Le'Veon Bell? ... We ask Mike for his Top 5 rookies (17:35) plus why he's excited about Ke'Shawn Vaughn (24:15). Also we discuss rookie WRs (27:53), Amari Cooper (36:30) and Antonio Gibson (44:00) ... Want to know Mike's favorite video games and movies? His favorite Fantasy Football formats? His favorite breakfast food? Enjoy a round of "Hot Mic" (working title) (49:30) ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here we go! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Let's go! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. All right, welcome to a special edition of the Fantasy Football Today podcast.
Starting point is 00:00:22 Today we will talk about Miles Sanders. He's a little bit too hyped. We'll go through some rankings. Talk about some really old running backs. Welcome to the show, Mike course, the Fantasy Footballers podcast, which is awesome. On Twitter, he's at FFHitman. And welcome to the show, Mike. Welcome to Fantasy Football today. Oh, man, this is fantastic. This is really a treat for me to be here. I've met most of you guys in person and have told you each individually that you guys at CBS really set a standard, in my opinion, for podcasting.
Starting point is 00:01:10 And were a huge part of my life and the way we ended up shaping the fantasy footballers. So thank you again. This really, really is awesome for me to be on the show with you guys. Have you met Heath in person? Yes. Oh, wow. How'd that go heath is that i you know we met several times over the course of like a two or three day span and uh several of those came around a ping pong table ah and uh i like there were probably more meetings than I recall.
Starting point is 00:01:46 Fair enough. By the way, you can listen to the Footballers podcast throughout the offseason, get their ultimate draft kit, dynasty, and rookie rankings, all at FantasyFootballers.com. So, you know, before we get into it, Mike, how's everything going? How's quarantine? How's this whole situation? Surviving.
Starting point is 00:02:08 Honestly, the only hard part for this is the kids and the homeschooling. I am a homebody. I'm happy to stay here. The only thing that I miss going out for is food, which we can still get the old DoorDash and Postmates. So I'm not missing a ton, of course, besides going into the office and being with the guys and that camaraderie. But other than that, I'm hanging missing a ton, of course, besides going into the office and being with the guys and that camaraderie. But other than that, I'm hanging in there. Mike, I got a text message from Adam today.
Starting point is 00:02:31 Adam has a little boy, and he's expecting a second. And I have three young children, young boys. And he goes, I don't know how the hell you're doing this. I don't get it. I don't understand how you guys you're doing this. I don't get it. I don't understand how you guys are doing it. This one kid is just wearing me out completely. By the way, Jamie, thank you for the announcement there. That was supposed to be a secret, but that's fine.
Starting point is 00:02:54 We'll let the audience know. I haven't told the audience. You know that. Well, now you have. Now I have another one on the way very soon. Congratulations. And the way you do it is you just try and make it to the nighttime so that you can get some semblance of sleep.
Starting point is 00:03:12 But, yeah, I've got three kids as well. And, like I said, that's the hardest part. Yeah, I don't have to worry about the homeschooling yet. That would make things even more challenging. All right, let's talk about Miles Sanders. Our email of the day, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com, comes from Travis. I don't know when he sent this in, but last week we were debating Miles Sanders versus Devontae Adams in the first round of a PPR draft. Thank you, Mike.
Starting point is 00:03:39 Thank you. I wish everybody could see Mike's face. Thank you. I didn't even see it. That was a completely involuntary reaction, too. you i wish everybody could see mike's face thank you i didn't even see it this is what i that was a completely involuntary reaction too i didn't know my face was doing something you you had like like the face of somebody that just walked past somebody farted like that was the face yeah that's pretty that's a good reaction but yeah i mean i i i am pretty high on mile sanders
Starting point is 00:04:04 some of us would take him seventh overall. But here's the email. I feel like the Miles Sanders hype train is getting a little out of hand. While he was on his late season tear, he played the Dolphins, Redskins, Giants twice, and the Cowboys. Not real world beaters on defense. Not to mention the health of their wide receivers. And Corey Clement was hurt as well. So the catches feel far from certain.
Starting point is 00:04:25 I just think he's much more of a gamble than you guys are making him out to be at this point. He was firmly behind Jordan Howard until his shoulder had the nerve issue. Anyway, just wanted to hear your thoughts on this. All right. Well, Mike,
Starting point is 00:04:37 sorry for farting. So what do you think about good? What do you think about, uh, Miles Sanders? When would you take him? Oh man, I feel like I'd be okay taking him. What do you think about Miles Sanders? When would you take him? Oh, man. I feel like I'd be okay taking him as of right now.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Maybe the third. I'll take the gamble on him. He is such a confusing player. The third round or the third overall pick? You mean the third overall pick? Third. Yes, yes. Sure.
Starting point is 00:05:03 Let's just get out of control with the hype uh he's such a confusing player not because of his talent he's a he's an amazingly talented player uh his his yards per reception was absolutely insane like last year there was only three running backs that had 40 or more targets and had yards per reception over 10. Miles Sanders, Austin Eckler, and David Johnson. There were only three guys to do that. So smashing efficiency through the air. But what we've seen from Peterson and the Eagles,
Starting point is 00:05:38 that's what we have to go off of. It's which story are you going to buy into for Miles Sanders. Are you going to buy into the talent of Sanders, the fact that he was a second round pick and peterson had not done that yet and then the end of season that that monstrous workload where he became an absolute league winner if you scooped him up in the second half or do you do you buy into years and years and years of peterson using three sometimes four running backs we just we don't, we don't have, we don't have proof except for the second half of last year where, where Doug Peterson was forced into it. His hand was forced and it would, but on top of that, like if you remember at the beginning of
Starting point is 00:06:18 the year, Miles Sanders actually had the job. Like he just sucked. was really really inefficient and then Jordan Howard took the job from Miles Sanders so they did want Miles to be that guy at the beginning of the year so I'm trying to temper my expectations I do have him ranked right now as a top 12 running back I'm finishing up all my statistical projections and he's he's sitting in there right now but it's it is an in inner battle for me to decide which side of that narrative i'm really going to buy into over the offseason all right jamie and heath so i i know you guys aren't as high on miles sanders as dave and i are but do you think he's a first round pick no i i think he's he's in the conversation if it's just a heavy heavy first round on running
Starting point is 00:07:07 backs that's kind of the the way i come out on it but i would much rather get him in round two i think the one thing that mike said is the doug peterson narrative he's tried to use a guy the jay ajayi trade the josh adams stretch uh what we saw last year from Sanders, I just don't think he's ever had a guy. So I think that he's going to use Boston Scott. But I think that's kind of the positive that we're looking at for Miles Sanders now is they added nothing. If you tell me Corey Clement is the threat, then I'm excited beyond belief about Miles Sanders. If they still go out and maybe sign Devontae Freeman, if they make a trade, if we see LaShawn McCoy,
Starting point is 00:07:48 who says he wants to finish his career there, as old and decrepit as he is compared to the guys we're going to talk about as well. If they just bring in somebody else, then that makes it, I think, a little bit more of a, oh, no, here we go again. But I think that what Sanders showed last year, what he's looking at from a competition standpoint,
Starting point is 00:08:06 that there's reason to be excited about it. But I think we have driven the hype train a little bit too far off the track. I think it's like, speaking of farts that make everyone want to leave. There are like Jamie mentioned Devante Freeman, but there's still like four of those guys. Yeah. Carlos Hyde's there. Lam still four of those guys sitting out there.
Starting point is 00:08:25 Yeah, Carlos Hyde's there. Lamar Miller is still out there. Yeah, I mean, I was just using any of those guys, sure. Right. And so I don't think, if you told me we were at opening week and the depth chart was Miles Sanders, Boston Scott, and Corey Clement was number three, I would feel like I might take Sanders in the first half of the second round. I just can't take him over Nick Chubb. I can't take him.
Starting point is 00:08:52 Was his second half better than Kenyon Drake's? Yeah, yes. It wasn't for a longer stretch. I mean, the second half wasn't. Your little six-game stretch where we take out the games that we don't like. No, we take out one game. We take out week 17 because he left with an injury. Other than that, it was after the Jordan Howard injury.
Starting point is 00:09:11 I think Drake may have been better at non-PPR. Kenyon Drake's second half was better than Miles Sanders, without a doubt. Six games or eight games? Second half. Six games, Miles Sanders was the number three running back in PPR. Six games, but not counting the last game. Because he left with an injury. You want me to count that game, Heath?
Starting point is 00:09:26 Like, what, are you kidding me? So Kenyon Drake's second half was better than Miles Sanders, and we've seen it from him before, and he doesn't have any competition either. So I would, like, the best that I could get to would be Miles Sanders as my number 10 running back, and that doesn't make you a first-round pick. There's probably four to five wide receivers that should go in the first
Starting point is 00:09:47 round. I want you to tell me that, that I should not admit that I should not include week 17 and we can move on to the next topic. No, if you're trying to make the point that Miles Sanders is worth the seventh overall pick, you better not include week 17.
Starting point is 00:10:00 That'd be ridiculous. Of course. Why would I left with an injury? You got to pick like the seven best games of the season and give me a 16-game pace. All right. Let's move on. So we're streaming. We're recording this on Tuesday with Mike.
Starting point is 00:10:14 It's Cinco de Mayo. So I hope that DoorDash is going to be delivering Mexican food to Mike tonight. But you're going to hear this on Wednesday. So with that being said, we're streaming tonight, Wednesday, May 6th at 7 p.m. Join us, Eastern. Join us for a live mock draft. That's on Twitch. Twitch.com slash FF today. Follow us
Starting point is 00:10:34 and you'll see our stream on Twitch. Twitch.com slash FF today. And next week is Fantasy Football Yesterday. Five episodes on the podcast on CBS Sports HQ. We're going back in time. We're looking at things like the biggest one-hit wonders, like Justin Forsett, the biggest busts of
Starting point is 00:10:50 all time, like Monte Ball, and the greatest fantasy teams of all time. We're doing a draft for that as we speak. So that's going to be fun. Kind of look back a little bit and obviously catch up on anything that's going on in the current world of fantasy football. Like these two news items, the Jets are signing Frank Gore to a one-year deal.
Starting point is 00:11:08 They also drafted LaMichael Pirine in the fourth round. And Marshawn Lynch has been discussing a return to Seattle. So I'm going to start with Heath here because I feel like Heath's been higher on Le'Veon Bell, but does this change things for you with them bringing in Frank Gore? It shouldn't. I'm going to be stubborn for a minute and just first say, no, I don't want to change my mind because this shouldn't change anything. But the last time we saw Frank Gore and Adam Gase in the same city, uh, Gore was getting more carries than Kenyon Drake.
Starting point is 00:11:40 So I, I have to acknowledge this probably changes things a little bit. I started at a higher place on Le'Veon Bell than I think anybody else in the pod, so I'm probably, even after this news, going to be at a higher place on Le'Veon Bell than anyone else. In PPR, I still think he's a high-end No. 2 running back. In non, he's more of a guy you settle for, a low-end No. 2. But I don't think Frank Gore is going to come in and catch any passes i still think levi on bell is going to catch 60 to 70 passes this year i don't think there's any way he has the touchdown problems he did last year and he's probably going to average like 3.6 yards per carry instead of 3.2 or whatever
Starting point is 00:12:19 so he's going to be better than he was last year, but this hurts the touchdown upside because Adam Gase makes decisions. I'll just be nice. So he had – Bell was 12th in the NFL in carries per game, but Gore comes in 160 carries basically each of the last two seasons. Nobody on the Jets got any work. Bilal Powell had 59 carries, but 19 of them came in Week 14 with Bell out. So you wonder what the workload's going to look like. Mike, what's your take on this Jets backfield right now?
Starting point is 00:12:52 I'm actually – so I pulled up my projections here. I sided more with Heath. I had Lev statted out pretty optimistically. He was sitting at about running back 12 for me and we do we do a half point scoring for our projections so i the work was just too much the frank gore news though for for everything you laid out heath it's like you have you have a connection already that these these two have worked together, Frank Gore and Adam Gaze. You were brain draining me actually giving all of your thoughts and responses there.
Starting point is 00:13:32 Where Adam Gaze makes – he seems like he makes emotionally rash decisions sometimes to put it in a kind way, kinder than I treat him on my podcast, which I won't bring that negativity over to you guys. So it is very possible that Frank Gore somehow comes in, gets over 100 carries, and takes away the one thing that Lev Bell is good at for New York, which is just he touches the ball more than anybody else. And he just threw you threw sheer volume and that force of will, that's how he becomes a good fantasy player. So his outlook is definitely worse today
Starting point is 00:14:13 than it was yesterday. All right, Jamie, you've got Le'Veon Bell 17th right now. I think that's a non-PPR actually. And I don't know if that's updated since the Gore news. Is he even gonna be a top 20 running back for you? He's 14th in PPR. Yeah. It's hard to still drop it.
Starting point is 00:14:32 I think, I'm looking at my rankings now. Is there a big difference, aside from offense, but in terms of situation between him and James Conner, who you know the Steelers are trying to lower his workload?
Starting point is 00:14:44 I don't think I could put Le'Veon Bell behind the three rookies not named Clyde Edwards-Alaire. I'd still take him ahead of Jonathan Taylor and Cam Akers and DeAndre Swift right now. So that's where he is non-PPR. Half PPR, PPR, he's obviously got to be higher because I think he said it. He's going to catch the ball. I'm sure Mike would agree. And look, the offensive line obviously got to be higher because I think he said it. He's going to catch the ball. I'm sure Mike would agree. Yeah. And look, the offensive line is going to be better.
Starting point is 00:15:08 The offense is going to be better because we don't know. I've said this time and again, how healthy Sam Darnold was coming back from mono. You know, at what point did he get to 100 percent? You know, I think the receiving core as a whole with Chris Herndon back and Perryman and Mims are better than what they had a year ago. So everything around this offense is better. It's just a matter of not only is it just Gore, I think they were going to use LaMichael Pirine in some role anyway
Starting point is 00:15:32 because I don't think Adam Gase wants to give a guy the amount of work that he gave Le'Veon Bell. He made that clear last year when the whole fallout with McCannahan, whatever his name is, the GM that was let go. Yeah. McCann, whatever. And, you know, the signing, you know, they don't like that. Like, he doesn't like it. Does he like Le'Veon Bell? I mean, there's such a low.
Starting point is 00:15:56 There's such a bottoming out scenario here, though, for Le'Veon Bell. Like, he has not played well for two straight seasons. No, I'm saying he could be. He could just be. He was pretty bad last year. He was a bad player. He just got so many touches. If he doesn't get those touches...
Starting point is 00:16:10 And by the way, Frank Gore had four more carries inside the five-yard line than the entire Jets team did last year. So maybe he won't be as unlucky near the goal line, but maybe he won't be the goal line guy. Maybe Frank Gore gets that role.
Starting point is 00:16:23 There's a lot of downside with Le'Veon Bell now. There always was. I don't think you should draft him in non-PPR leagues or maybe even half PPR before the middle to the end of round four. And then in PPR, I think he's gone from a round three pick to, I think, a round four pick. And if you want to just take upside, then you take those other rookies.
Starting point is 00:16:44 Like, if anybody was – I don't know where you came out on, you know, Mike and Heath, uh, like Edwards, like I'm, I'm through the moon for him. Uh, you know, so I would have taken him over bell, uh, without a question, any format. Um, but now I don't think there's a question. I don't think you can justify taking the downside of bell versus the upside of Edwards. Yeah. I have Edwards Zolaire higher than higher than Le'Veon Bell right now. What's funny, though, Adam, to speak a little further to your Frank Orstad, he did have 11 carries for a grand total of zero yards. Yeah, he was really bad.
Starting point is 00:17:18 He was really bad. But yet they still wouldn't trust Devin Singletary. So weird and frustrating. All right, so I don't think we have to talk about Marshawn Lynch. Let's get to more interesting stuff here. I gave some topics to Mike before the show. I hope you did your homework. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:17:33 I'm ready. All right. Rank your top five rookie running backs. You want me to jump in first? Yeah, yeah. I'll just let you give the rankings, and then Jamie and Heath, my bad, will react. You want to to jump in first? Yeah, yeah. I'll just let you give the rankings, then Dave and, or no, Jamie and Heath, my bad, will react.
Starting point is 00:17:47 You want to call Dave? Dave's the only person I ever met, and he's not here. Oh, man. Maybe I will call Dave. Yeah. We weren't going to tell you, but he hates you.
Starting point is 00:17:59 He said if Jason and Andy were on, he was in for sure. Yeah, I see how it is. Well, number one, I will shock everyone. Clyde Edwards and Lair is my number one guy. The situation is just too fantastic. And then I have Jonathan Taylor at number two, so I'm not breaking with the consensus at all.
Starting point is 00:18:18 And honestly, if you feel so strongly about your evaluation of Taylor that he's going to be your number one guy, that's fine. That honestly is fine with me, knowing that you're still about a year away from Jonathan Taylor really being the guy. I have Dobbins as my number three guy. Because we're not talking for this year, are we? Because we're talking like rookie drafts.
Starting point is 00:18:45 That's the rankings I'm giving you anyways. All right, that's fine. I didn't specify, so. It's rookie time, man. I was going to leave that up to you, I guess. So, yeah, sure, rookie drafts. Okay, well, I'm sure we can figure it out on the fly how I would take them. So, I got Dobbins.
Starting point is 00:19:01 Then I have, it's tough, man. It's tough how I line up DeAndre Swift and Cam Akers. Akers seems like he's in such a good situation, but because he's lined up to take the Todd Gurley role, but does the Todd Gurley role actually exist anymore for McVay and the Rams, or did they learn a really tough lesson and they learned it like the way that ruined Todd Gurley's career.
Starting point is 00:19:31 Essentially, they just wore him out. Do they throw a third round pick from last year, just into the garbage? Did Malcolm Brown clearly has a ton of trust built up with this team, with everything that happened last year with, uh, he went out and got an option from i think it was from detroit and the ram said no you we we have to keep you and he ended up being playing in front of henderson so that's where it's really tough for me to put that trust into acres i want to buy in i for fantasy i hope he becomes that guy because we all want superstar running backs i just have a a hard time going all in on that theory and same for deandre swift who like carry on johnson's not just going to vanish into
Starting point is 00:20:12 thin air deandre swift would he was going to be in a timeshare now they're coming out and essentially stating verbatim it's going to be a timeshare. So I like those three guys a lot more than I like Swift and Acres. But Swift is four for you and then Acres five? It depends on the day. Yeah, all right. I'll ask you again in five minutes. We'll figure it out. Guys, we did a startup dynasty draft just a few hours ago.
Starting point is 00:20:40 I had been saying that I was going to take Taylor over Edward Ziller, but this was PPR and push came to shove and I had the choice and I took Clyde Edward Zilaire. Coward. Yeah. You know what? I think if it were non-PPR, I would have gone with Jonathan Taylor, but half or full, I'm going to go with Clyde Edward Zilaire. But any comments there, Jamie and Heath? No, I think he made the right choice. Taylor went, I think, early second round. So not too far. Sorry, I meant comments on Mike's top five, not on Mike's.
Starting point is 00:21:13 No, Mike's top five. I think this is a dilemma a lot of people have. It's the top three, I think, are locked in. You got Dobbins locked in at number three? I do, too. Yeah, I think if you're looking for next year, he's going to be the starter for the Ravens. And that may happen by the end of this season, depending on how Mark Ingram holds up at 31.
Starting point is 00:21:32 But yeah, I think you're looking at, you could probably make an argument for Dobbins over Taylor too, if you're just looking at situation for next year. It's a stretch. But I think Dobbins to me is third. And then same thing, flip-flop on the final two. I think Akers is an underrated talent,
Starting point is 00:21:51 just based on what he did at Florida State, behind a terrible offensive line, terrible quarterback, just terrible everything for them. But Swift is clearly the better talent, better prospect, and he just may have a little bit longer to wait to be the featured guy, whereas Akers has a clearer path path at least for 2020 and beyond so how much do you like clyde edwards eilir this year mike uh i i like him a lot i think by the end of the year he will be the guy but this is it's a situation where his his adp is going to get out control. He'll probably be at least a third-round pick.
Starting point is 00:22:27 He might sneak into the second, and I don't think he will be the guy right away. I think that Damian Williams has kind of earned the nominal starting role, and it'll take some time for L.A. to beat him out. The situation that people want to look to is the kareem hunt year where hunt was the rookie had the major breakout the problem with that situation is spencer where was the starter he was gonna be the starter for at least half the year goes out with a catastrophic injury kareem hunt is forced to the beginning so as as long as Damian Williams is on the roster, I think it will take, you know, 25 to 30% of the season for a layer to establish himself,
Starting point is 00:23:12 especially what do training camps look like in this world that we're all living in? How much time do they actually get to prepare? The NFL season, I feel confident is going off, and maybe it's delayed a week or two, but they're going to make that happen. But what do they allow to happen for training camp can get Edwards come in and establish that. So but once he gets the job, then it's then it's absolute wheels up like they clearly don't trust Damian Williams as much on the ground like he never got the carry totals that someone like
Starting point is 00:23:46 Kareem Hunt received when he was the feature back, but you don't spend a first-round pick on a running back to have him not become your featured guy eventually. Of course, unless you're Pete Carroll, then you just throw first-round picks away.
Starting point is 00:24:03 I'm going to go around the room. I'll go Heath, Jamie, and Mike. Miles Sanders or Clyde Edwards-Ziller? Heath. Oh, Miles Sanders. Jamie? I'll still take Sanders for now. Oh, interesting.
Starting point is 00:24:16 Yeah, I'm Sanders for now by a little bit. All right. And I've been told that you also like Keyshawn Vaughn quite a bit. Oh, man. Yes, I do. Keyshawn Vaughn, but part of that is that's the narrative or my evaluation
Starting point is 00:24:36 coming to fruition where talking about him on tape with Jason specifically, I was like, I love this guy. i think he's a fantastic player extremely well-rounded i felt uh the way i i do about von i felt about alexander madison last year coming into the draft and it seemed like no one would i don't know if anyone's going to spend the draft capital on von i don't know if the nfl sees him the way I do, but then freaking Bruce Arians saw Keyshawn Vaughn
Starting point is 00:25:05 the way that we saw him. And so like Vaughn for me, if you're doing rookie drafts, he does sneak into the back of the first round for me. It's a tougher road for a rookie running back to really break through for Bruce Arians. He is notoriously tough on his rookies. When they make a mistake, they go to the bench. Sometimes they go to the bench. Sometimes they
Starting point is 00:25:25 go to the bench for multiple games, but the competition in front of him with Ronald Jones, Ronald Jones is just not, he's not a natural pass catcher. Tom Brady needs a natural pass catcher at the running back position. Does that force Bruce to get Keyshawn Vaughn in sooner than later? These are things that I don't have the answers to, but you can project a season where Keyshawn Vaughn ends up as a top 15 running back. It's in the realm of possibilities for me. Where are you putting Vaughn in redraft? Is he still sixth amongst the rookies, or is he ahead of some of those guys? No, he'll still be in the back until we get any positive movement uh from tampa bay's camp like we i'm in arizona i'm a diehard cardinals
Starting point is 00:26:12 fan so we watched the rookie season of david johnson and and how frustrating it was to see this the rookie's the best running back on the team but chris johnson was ahead of him andre ellington was ahead of him we didn't get that playoff run the fantasy playoff run until both those guys were hurt even though David Johnson was doing magical things and like being fantasy relevant on one or two players a week so that that's that's the downside of Keyshawn Vaughn but the upside is is so spectacular I think the the difference though is Chris Johnson has a resume. Ronald Jones has no resume.
Starting point is 00:26:47 So they can force the, okay, we can play the veteran because he's done something in the past. You said it best. They're frustrated with Ronald Jones. He doesn't do the things that Bruce Arians really wants to see. I think the one thing about rookie drafts, I think you're right. Vaughn, I don't think he's going to sneak into the first round. I think he is a first rounder. It just depends on how many people take those wide receivers ahead of him. But he's
Starting point is 00:27:12 going to be a guy I think that two, three years from now, we could say, man, why didn't I take him over Acres? Why didn't I take him over Swift? Or, you know, if he clicks to the level of what he could be. So he's a little bit of a wild card in what his upside could be because I don't think there's that much downside. You know, if you're taking him to the back end of the first round of a rookie draft, you know, again, you're comparing him to – and I'm putting him behind guys like Ruggs and Jefferson and those guys. You know, you're comparing him to Mims and Pittman and Claypool,
Starting point is 00:27:40 you know, whoever you want to throw up there in that conversation, Chenault, all those guys. But, you know, so if you whiff on him and those guys hit, you know, whoever you want to throw up there in that conversation. Chenault, all those guys. But, you know, so if you whiff on him and those guys hit, you may regret it. But if he does hit, man, you could be set for a few years with a pretty nice prospect. All right, let's go to the wide receivers then. Rank your top five rookie wide receivers, Mike. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:28:07 That was a frustrating night watching the draft unfold because the we've all been very excited for the 2020 wide receiver class but the way I have them ranked I got I'm sticking with CeeDee Lamb at number one uh landing spot not ideal but honestly it's I don't know that any of them hit an ideal spot. So I'm still buying into the talent of CeeDee Lamb. If you're looking at long-term, at least the way his contract works, Amari Cooper could be out in a couple years. I'm not saying for sure that's going to happen, but it's one of those things that you have to balance when you're looking at a long-term situation.
Starting point is 00:28:43 So I got Lamb first. I got Judy second. that you have to balance when you're looking at a long-term situation so i got lamb first i got judy seconds uh i have i i've got i kind of go back and forth with rager and um uh and uh jefferson like the the way that i look at cam acres that running back situation you know it's i it should be Rager. Like it should be because his, his spot is a little bit better than Jefferson. When you're talking about an offense that they will throw the ball 600 times. If they have to, he has a really clear path to being the number one guy sooner than later.
Starting point is 00:29:21 And Justin Jefferson's in a low pass. He's in a low pass offense he's clearly the number two guy at best while adam theelin is there so that's why i mean it's it should be rager but i like justin jefferson the player more than i liked jalen rager so i i'm it's a struggle with those guys and then somehow the first running or first wide receiver in the draft rugs. He's my fifth guy. Cause I just, I don't know what to do with a player who was third on his own team. Seems like his speed is the calling card and the Raiders just continue to be obsessed with speed, but,
Starting point is 00:29:59 but can he really turn into a number one? Or is he just a player like Deshaun Jackson, where he's extremely valuable, very helpful to your NFL franchise, but you're not counting on D-Jacks for fantasy purposes. He's had a couple seasons here and there, but D-Jacks never turned into a superstar number one wide receiver, and I fear that could be the path for henry ruggs you know it's funny
Starting point is 00:30:26 you keep saying it should be jefferson you're right it should be jefferson the eagles should have taken jefferson oh man we we had a we do a competition every year on the footballers where we pick who's you know who's who's going where and i had jefferson going to the eagles everything was lined up for me and then they just kicked me right in the groin. I think only twice in the last 10 years has the first, this is not so much a dynasty discussion, but the first wide receiver selected finished as the top rookie wide receiver in that first year.
Starting point is 00:31:02 Right. So interesting. Amari Cooper in 2015 and Calvin Ridley in 2018. And now recently since 2014, it's been Beckham Cooper, Michael Thomas, Juju Smith, Schuster,
Starting point is 00:31:15 Calvin Ridley, and AJ Brown. Those have been your, your highest finishing rookie wide receivers. They were selected third, first, sixth, sixth,
Starting point is 00:31:22 first, fourth, first and fourth. There you go. Um, so all top six, four of sixth, sixth, first, fourth, first and fourth. There you go. So all top six, four of them top four. And that would mean that if they're all top six, there were six wide receivers selected in round one. If you actually go back before that, though,
Starting point is 00:31:34 2010 Mike Williams was the 15th wide receiver drafted. He was number one that year. Victor Cruz was an undrafted free agent. T.Y. Hilton was the 13th wide receiver drafted. And Keenan Allen was the 8th. So it seems like they've gotten better drafting wide receivers in the NFL. But I think Henry Ruggs went pretty late in the
Starting point is 00:31:54 dynasty startup that we did today, and it just seems like, guys, people don't care who the first wide receiver drafted is. That just doesn't seem to matter all that much. Not as much as running back, I'd say. Heath, would you agree with that premise? And it's based on what we've seen in recent history. I think it really depends on who you're drafting with.
Starting point is 00:32:13 I know that there are some people, and I've seen them on Twitter, that have Ruggs as the best wide receiver, partially because they liked him almost equally to Lamb and Judy, and partially because R liked him like almost equally to lamb and judy and partially because rugs went first and like even if they're not the best wide receiver there's a pretty decent history of the first wide receiver getting a lot of opportunity in year one at the very least it's going to be so like i just don't know with rugs how they're going to use him if the plan is we're going to use him outside opposite tyrell williams and they're going to use him if the plan is we're going to use him
Starting point is 00:32:45 outside opposite tyrell williams and we're going to have renfro and waller running these short area targets and rugs and tyrell going deep that i hate rugs but if the plan is you know hunter renfro is just a guy and he's already past his prime anyway we're going to put rugs in the slot and have him do things around the line scrimmmage. Is that a Renfro age joke? It was. Thank you for acknowledging it, Adam. Then I think that Ruggs could be phenomenal. He could be like Tyreek Hill's rookie year where he didn't really run very many routes.
Starting point is 00:33:17 He just did a lot of stuff around the line of scrimmage and then would go deep occasionally, and it worked really well. Now he doesn't have Andrew Reid, so that hurts his chances. Tyreek Hill didn't have that good of a rookie year if you take away the rushing stats, right? Well, I would presume that they were—like, they're going to give Henry Ruggs some jet sweeps, right? If they're going to use him in the best way possible. Yes. Yeah, Hill had 593 receiving yards, six touchdowns, 267 rushing yards. That's a ton.
Starting point is 00:33:43 And three touchdowns. You don't see that very often. No, but if you were going to do... Yeah, if you're going to draft him, use him that way. You've got to be rooks. Right, right. So I think that for wide receiver Heath, seasonal versus dynasty,
Starting point is 00:33:59 redraft versus dynasty is a very different conversation. So who's your favorite rookie wide receiver just for this year, Heath? It's actually the same, and it is different, but it's the same guy for me for this year. It's Judy. I had Judy and Lamb really, really close before the draft. I liked Lamb slightly more.
Starting point is 00:34:17 I think the landing spot might be slightly better for Judy, and that was enough to tip it in his favor in Dynasty, but I still got him back-to-back. But Judy's my favorite. Now, there are some guys that we haven't mentioned yet that I think have a chance to be the best rookie in redraft. Leviska Schnoltz and Denzel Mims both have an opportunity, I think, to be the best rookie this year, but don't have anywhere close to, in my opinion, the same upside as Lamb or Judy. Does anybody like Brandon Ayuk? It seems like
Starting point is 00:34:49 he's a fantasy. Not at all. 49ers do. Kyle Shanahan loves him. They're great on him, and I heard from somebody who's connected to the organization that they were taking, in order, at their pick was 13?
Starting point is 00:35:06 Or they trade down, I forget what they did. They had 14. I think they ended up with 15 and traded down. Yeah, they moved down one spot. They moved down one spot for the Bucs, right. So they were taking Kinlaw one, Lamb two? No. Kinlaw one, Ayuk two?
Starting point is 00:35:21 When did Lamb go? Lamb went after him. They said that Ayuk was the guy they would have taken if they didn't take kinlaw there and lamb had had not been taken i think only rugs have been oh you're right it was it was it was kinlaw lamb iuk was the order that they wanted them because they took iuk at the end of the first round that pretty clearly tells us that iuk's gonna have like a six-week stretch as a top 12 wide receiver and then completely disappear from the face of the earth after his rookie year.
Starting point is 00:35:46 And I will take that six-game stretch next year, and I will say he was the number eight wide receiver. I already looked forward to it. I think they moved down from 13 to 14. They moved down from 13 to 14 because the Bucs moved up one spot, and then they moved back into the first. No, their pick in the first round was IUK, their original pick. They got that from Minnesota.
Starting point is 00:36:08 They did trade up, though, to 25 to take IUK. Whatever it was. Their two first-round picks were Kinlaw and IUK. They wanted Lamb if Kinlaw was gone, is what I heard. I think they traded back from 13 to 14 and up from 31 to 25. Sounds right. Yeah. Let's just go with that.
Starting point is 00:36:25 All right. So we've talked a lot about the veteran players who were affected by the NFL draft. And I think the one we've talked the most about is Amari Cooper. And, uh, you know, well,
Starting point is 00:36:36 I'll just ask you, Mike, where are you on, where are you on Amari Cooper? Have they added CD lamb? How do you feel about them? Right. Uh,
Starting point is 00:36:42 uh, me and Amari Cooper have had a very uh storied past where i i just can't buy into amari cooper like he will be great for half the year and he will be bad yes yes like how many years in a row do we have to see it happen? How many excuses do we have to give Amari Cooper? Yeah, I get it. He started out really hot, and then, okay, I guess he was playing with an injury. But that was this year. We give him an excuse and a pass every single year.
Starting point is 00:37:19 Clearly, the talent is there, and that's what's so bizarre about Amari Cooper is I have no idea. I have no idea how he vanishes from games. But he was still top 10. I mean, he still finished 8th in non-PPR, 10th in PPR. That's the problem, though, is at the end of the year, when you're trying to remember what happened, okay, let's go look at the final standings. Oh, Amari Cooper, top 12.
Starting point is 00:37:44 Oh, yeah, man. Adam throws out the final eight games. He doesn't at the final standings oh amari cooper top 12 oh yeah man oh yeah he throws out the final eight games he doesn't include the final game and then but and then your your memory starts going of oh man remember how great he was at the beginning of the year imagine imagine if he did that the entire season and we've done that five years in a row now for amari cooper so yeah guess what amari cooper is going to finish as a top 15, probably as a top 12 wide receiver, but he won't be on any of my teams because I've been fooled for the fifth time of buying into Amari Cooper as he can really get it done now. And like Michael Gallup was pacing just behind Amari Cooper. And I think Gallup played 14 games,
Starting point is 00:38:25 if I remember correct off the top of my head. They averaged almost the same amount of fantasy points per game in PPR. Almost identical. Yeah, and you can get Gallup way later. Gallup's even going to move down, I imagine, a bit in ADP because of the fears of CeeDee Lamb,
Starting point is 00:38:40 which I'm not concerned for Michael Gallup. I think Gallup is still going to be great. But Amari Cooper, he will finish really, really high, and he will disappoint you a whole bunch of times, which a $100 million wide receiver should not be doing that, and I don't know why he does. Okay, Rex Ryan. I know what you guys, I know what you and Heath are talking about at the ping pong table.
Starting point is 00:39:06 So let's play this little game here. We had a three wide receiver PPR draft with a flex, so pretty wide receiver heavy last week. It was our first draft since the NFL draft. Amari Cooper went 36th overall, last pick of round three.
Starting point is 00:39:22 Michael Gallup went in the middle of round, toward the end of round six, so about 70th. And let's see where CeeDee Lamb went. Round eight, two rounds after Michael Gallup. So you're talking three-four turn for Cooper, round six for Gallup, round eight for Lamb. What's your favorite value there? I would take Michael Gallup there.
Starting point is 00:39:44 I generally don't draft rookie wide receivers and redraft. I target them halfway through the season once they really start to break out. With all my experience and research, to me, that's my optimal strategy of how to deal with rookie wide receivers. Like I said, Amari Cooper is not going to be on any of my teams. At the end of the third round, that's actually not terrible for a guy who will win you a couple weeks. He will also cost you a couple weeks. So it's the balance of the yin and yang there.
Starting point is 00:40:18 Give me Michael Gallup at the end of the sixth round. I think something you said there for me is going to apply to all rookies i'm not sure like once we get down to like july and august with where i expect adps to be even for the running backs the very top of this class i expect most of this rookie class is going to be worse than their adp for the first month of the season. Yeah. Because they're not getting the same exposure to NFL practice that they normally do over the offseason. So I don't know that I'm going to draft any rookies, but I'm going to be making a lot
Starting point is 00:40:55 of trade offers for them in October. Well, Heath, we keep saying that. You know I'm with you on this, but remember, they haven't fully canceled anything yet. Well, they canceled rookie OTAs. Yes. Off season. But that's all virtual now.
Starting point is 00:41:11 Yes. But I think as long as we have a normal training camp, that's really what's going to matter the most. So if we do have a normal training camp, then I think they still have a shot to be fine. And I think it really more applies to the quarterback, probably a little bit, the wide receivers, but I think it's the quarterback taking in all the knowledge that is really
Starting point is 00:41:30 going to impact the most. I think, though, that even if everything were normal, you had the rookie minicamps, you had training camps, most likely a good strategy would be to not draft them and try to buy low on them because I've said it over and over again, these rookie running backs don't get immediate work typically
Starting point is 00:41:46 unless they're first-round picks. And then we haven't really had an example where somebody's been the last pick of the first round. And rookie wide receivers typically don't have that big of an impact. So it could apply regardless of the situation. It's not a bad idea. But he said something earlier that I think applies to this as well is that Mims is somebody who for this year could be the best guy.
Starting point is 00:42:07 Pittman, as the potential starter opposite T.Y. Hilton, could be the best guy. You know, I mean, Chenault could be the best guy. You know, if you feel like you've got to get a piece of this receiver class, let somebody else chase Lamb and Judy or Ruggs or Jefferson or whoever, Rager. You know, and then you still can get some pretty good players much much cheaper like i'm gonna take antonio gandy gold in every draft yeah he's he's good man he is good and it's it's you know kind of like you were saying about um people not even nfl wise maybe falling in love with madison or falling in love with vaughn he went to liberty you know people don't don't spend a lot of time watching Liberty.
Starting point is 00:42:46 Fantasy players don't spend a lot of time watching Liberty. How dare you, Jamie? He could be the starter in Washington. It's not ideal. You're a liar, though, because you didn't take him in this draft. You took Hunter Renfro with your last pick instead of Gainey. In this three-receiver PPR draft that we did last week. Busted.
Starting point is 00:43:10 I'm drafting for like five people. You probably left to go do a baseball podcast at the time. I think you did do this. I think this was the draft you did for me, actually. Yeah, it was. All right. You are forgiven. This is what I get, Mike. We do these drafts and I get everybody... I sent one today. We're doing one on Thursday.
Starting point is 00:43:25 14 people. They all said yes. They all said yes. So now I got to kick somebody out because we're only doing 12 teams or two people out. Then what will happen is we get to the day of the draft. I only did this two days in advance. So we get to Thursday and I'm going to get four people saying, hey, can you make the first two picks for me? I'm going to be doing this or I'm not going to be able to finish the draft. Can you finish it up for me? I'm going to be doing this. Or I'm not going to be able to finish the draft.
Starting point is 00:43:45 Can you finish it off for me? I end up drafting for five people. I don't know which team is mine by the end of the draft. You could have drafted Gandy Golden for one of them. He had five opportunities to do it. I mean, I got three kids running around. I got one. You as a child.
Starting point is 00:43:58 Yes, you should be able to manage doing a podcast and making a thing. Mike, I am going to ask you some personal questions at the end of the show oh fantastic yeah yeah uh before we do that are there any other any other you know any other mike knowledge you want to drop drop the mike knowledge like oh there's something we got there there's something there well you got there yeah i'd love uh love to get your guys's temperature on antonio gibson uh for from washington because he was a player that i like scouting him he's fantastic when you throw on his highlight tape you go like holy crap then you look at his actual measurables of of how big and fast he is
Starting point is 00:44:42 like like wow this is a he is a very intriguing player. And why didn't he get to play? Then you have to go like figure out the backstory for Gibson. And he, he had some, some trouble with his grades. So he wasn't able to get to a D one school was able to finally transfer. And then,
Starting point is 00:44:59 and then he's playing behind, you know, I was Heather Henderson and Paul Pollard. I think where the guys in front of him, like two NFL running backs. So once he finally got his chance to shine, Playing behind Henderson and Pollard, I think, were the guys in front of him. Two NFL running backs. So once he finally got his chance to shine, he's a human highlight reel. And I found myself really falling in love with Gibson.
Starting point is 00:45:20 In our Footballers Dynasty League, I took him in the middle of the second round, even with having picks after that, because I didn't want to take the chance that i wasn't going to get antonio gibson on my squad because i think the upside is just tremendous so i want to see how how are you guys feeling about him and what position is he going to play i think he's going to play running back you know from everything out of washington and you know they're starting to talk which is going to drive the adP up of, oh, the next Christian McCaffrey because of Ron Rivera and the staff there. I'll give you another example of a dynasty draft. So Heath and I are in a rookie-only draft right now.
Starting point is 00:45:54 Adam, I put Adam on the team. You'll like this. This is how I like to prank Adam. I put him on the team because he needed to see the results. So as a result of that, he gets all the alerts and the emails from the league even though he has no part in it whatsoever. I named my team of somebody else in the league, Will Brinson,
Starting point is 00:46:13 if you know him, one of our NFL guys. People send Will trade offers thinking it's Will and then they say, oh, should we talk to Adam as well to loop him in? Adam has no part of the team. He's not even Will's team. So I have a lot of fun with that. But in any event.
Starting point is 00:46:29 So Jamie has Will and me making trades for him, essentially. Yes. Nice. So I had three picks in the second round. The fourth pick and then 13-14. It's a 14-team league. I thought, okay, I'm going to get one of Moss or Dylan at the four spot. I took Moss. And then I'm like, okay, there's six other guys.'m going to get one of Moss or Dylan at the four spot. I took Moss. And then I'm like, okay, there's six other guys. I want to get two of them. Uh, somebody dropped
Starting point is 00:46:50 right. Well, Armstead don't know why, but, um, uh, Gibson was one McFarland was one, uh, Darrington Evans. So I like, and, uh, Josh Kelly, I was hoping I'll get two of those. They all went. And when Gibson, when I was like, man, I want to just, that was the one guy I was like, I don't think he's going to fall. I tried to make a trade up to get it, get a piece of him. I'm with you. I keep getting more and more excited about it. I think he's going to be fun. The problem is there's so many guys in that backfield. Sure. So many guys there. The one that, that I'm actually the most concerned about for Gibson is McKissick
Starting point is 00:47:25 because I do think that they can use him in a pass-catching role, and I think that's where Gibson has the best chance to shine as a rookie. I've been a closet McKissick guy for a couple of years. But I just think the problem with Gibson is in our draft where he went, mostly towards the end of that run or right in the middle of it that's okay but even today as the news was coming out that ron rivera said he had the skill set of christian mccaffrey i would be very surprised if in the next month his rookie adp is not the first four or five picks of the second round i wouldn't be that surprised if it's like 2.1, 2.2,
Starting point is 00:48:06 and I think that's too risky. There's still, he can't start going ahead of that tier of receivers, for me at least, where Mims, Chenault, Pittman, those guys are. If he's going at the very start of the running back run after those receivers, I'd be more okay with it. Yeah, I totally agree with that. Mims and Pittman were off the board that's
Starting point is 00:48:25 who i was targeting with my picks and if and if people are just hearing the mcafree comps people after the nfl draft you need to go watch tape of the way that these coaches and gms are talking about the players because mckay has uh rivera made that mcarey comp right after the draft. It's weird that it's just coming out today, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that. I got a little hyped when I heard him say that. Oh, I like this player. You want to call him Christian McCaffrey? Great, because now he's on my team.
Starting point is 00:48:59 It's like Andy Reid and Brett Veach saying Brian Westbrook. What? Oh, okay. So who would you guys, let's say you're in a dynasty league. Would you rather have Darius Geis or Antonio Gibson? Still Geis. You still believe he can turn it around? I think if they both
Starting point is 00:49:17 hit to what they could be, Geis will be better. I can agree with that. It's just, will Geis hit? What do you mean? Gibson's Christian McCaffrey. If he hits to what he can pee, it's Christian McCaffrey. I don't think he's going to be Christian McCaffrey.
Starting point is 00:49:34 The Redskins would find a way to screw Christian McCaffrey up. All right, let's get personal with Mike Wright. We have two options for the name of this segment, either the Wright questions or hot mic. What would you prefer? Oh, hot mic. Yeah, that's pretty easy. All right. So I know you're a big video game guy.
Starting point is 00:49:51 What are your top three video games of all time? Oh, all right. My top video games of all time, Legend of Zelda, Link to the Past. The Super Nintendo one is the greatest video game ever created. Then I think I will have to go super smash brothers 64 which i whenever it comes up the topic comes up of smash brothers 64 i let everyone know that i was the greatest player of all time and i am willing to back that up anytime anywhere and i will destroy your soul and then third i was a really big LucasArts graphic adventure nerd. I don't know if you guys have any idea what those games are, but I'll go with, I'll say
Starting point is 00:50:36 the Secret of Monkey Island. I'll throw that one out as number three. I've played none of those. Oh man, you missed out. You missed out. Those games were fantastic. Smash Brothers. I mean, I've played...
Starting point is 00:50:50 Did I play Smash Brothers? I don't know. But Zelda on the original Nintendo is impossible. I can't get... I die in like 30 seconds. It's so hard. Yeah, you're just bad. Have you played Smash Bros on so i wouldn't have you played smash bros on the
Starting point is 00:51:06 switch i have not the the last one i played was the we and not even the wii u because i i before this whole thing i would have groups of teenagers over here playing smash brothers on the on the switch i was just curious if it would uh yeah you passed He put out a Craigslist ad for that. Oh, no. I'm sure it's like even going from the 64 version to the GameCube version, there was really, really big differences. I know Heath and I are unified. I'm not sure.
Starting point is 00:51:41 I don't know. Jamie, do you like video games? Are you a video game guy? Yeah, mostly sports. Heath and I would say that GoldenE don't know. Jamie, do you like video games? Are you a video game guy? Yeah, mostly sports though. Heath and I would say that GoldenEye should be on anybody's top three. But see, the problem is GoldenEye sucks compared to Perfect Dark. We're just going to have to take your word for that.
Starting point is 00:51:56 Well, I have a question. Because I was listening back to our interview with Juju, Smith-Schuster at the Super Bowl. When you asked him about GoldenEye... I like that you qualified Smith Schuster because there's so many jujus. Well, after his comment, I think we have to qualify everything. Did he agree with you about GoldenEye when you asked him?
Starting point is 00:52:16 Did I? Did he agree with me? I fast-forwarded through it, so I didn't listen to it. He'd never heard of it. Yeah, I think he was too young. I think he was too young. So, Mike, we talked to Juju Smith-Schuster on Radio Row, and that night he was playing, was it Gronk in Fortnite?
Starting point is 00:52:34 Who was he playing in Fortnite? No, he was playing a pro. Oh, he was playing a pro in Fortnite, right. So Adam's like, I want to ask him about video games. I thought this is where he was going with you, the same thing. And so he asked him about Gold Nines, apparently. He's like, I want to ask him about video games. I thought this is where he was going with you, the same thing. And so he asked him about Goldeneye. And apparently he's like, oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, too young.
Starting point is 00:52:50 I don't know. We're old. All right, next question. What shows are you watching right now? Oh, the problem with shows is I am a movie guy. It's hard for me to get into shows. I guess maybe it's the commitment, and then I miss out, and now all of a sudden there's three seasons that I'm supposed to catch up with. So I like movies.
Starting point is 00:53:15 What are you doing for three years at a time that you're missing out on three seasons of a show? Not watching shows, man! I'm watching the Jordan doc. That thing, I just inject that right into my veins yes it is so fantastic so that that would be the only thing i'm watching regularly right now i just went through all the marvel movies in chronological order and it was fantastic i highly encourage it no i've seen them all okay. But now they're all on Disney Plus and available here and there. So it was just – there's tons and tons of small little pieces that you don't remember from Iron Man 2, which you saw 10 years ago.
Starting point is 00:53:57 So the congruency that they've worked in there is actually pretty interesting. Let's go back to video games. Yes. Did you ever get good at fortnight or were you just too old i have never played fortnight ever it's wow uh there was a time when it was like when it was really breaking out a couple years ago this is when uh uh you guys do you know pub g player player known Battleground There was a few of us playing that
Starting point is 00:54:27 And I couldn't handle that game It was too slow Infuriating that all you did was collect stuff And then You would just die immediately I just wasted 15 minutes So Fortnite kind of broke out right after that I kept saying I'm going to get into it
Starting point is 00:54:43 But I just never did Apart from Smash Bros There was a period broke out right after that. I kept saying I'm going to get into it, but I just never did. Apart from Smash Bros, there was a period in my life when I was going to school in college, and I got really into the fighting game community back when Street Fighter 4 had just come out. So I would travel around the state, go to tournaments, and there's a big tournament in Las Vegas every single year called Evo that I went up to, and I did okay a couple times there. So when it comes to competing, apparently fighting games is what I like to go with.
Starting point is 00:55:16 I was going to ask you about Game of Thrones, but I guess you haven't seen Game of Thrones. Yes, I have seen Game of Thrones. Oh, you're in Game of Thrones. Yeah, the big ones I've seen, no Thrones, Breaking Bad, but things like The Office. I think I made it four seasons in and then I just got overwhelmed.
Starting point is 00:55:31 And so I've never seen the whole office and people get really, really mad when you say you haven't seen The Office. Oh, yeah, it's great. But like Jamie's never seen The Office, but he uses all the office gifs all the time. It drives me crazy. I think it's so disingenuous. Did you just say gif yeah that's that's it's gifs right oh wait don't don't
Starting point is 00:55:52 disagree with the only correct take adams ever had it is gifs the guy said it's not i don't care what the guy said what's the what is the first word in that acronym stand for? It's graphic. Giraffics? Yeah. That doesn't even make sense. I agree. I respect the guy who created it, though. I feel like you have to respect him. No.
Starting point is 00:56:14 But he doesn't respect the English language, I guess. All right. So I'll ask you a movie question. All right. Favorite movie? Die Hard. Oh, here we go. Yes. Favorite movie? Die Hard. Christmas movie? Yes.
Starting point is 00:56:30 Is Jerry Maguire a sports movie? Yeah. How is Jerry Maguire not a sports movie? There's hardly any sports in it. Think about it. But it's about sports. It's not about sports. It's a love story about a guy whose life involves sports. It's about love.
Starting point is 00:56:42 It's his love story. It's not a sports story. Mike, listen. Forget everybody else that's here. Forget everybody else that's here. All right. Just's about love. It's his love story. It's not a sports story. Mike, listen, forget everybody else that's here. Everybody else is here. All right. Just me and you. Listen,
Starting point is 00:56:49 I can't, I can't make the offer, but if you know, things ever don't work out at the footballers and we need to replace the host again, I can't make an offer. All right. But we,
Starting point is 00:56:59 we, we, we're on the same page with a lot of the stuff here. So, you know, we, we would love to have you just think about it. There's no sports.
Starting point is 00:57:04 I have an audio production background, so I can handle all the responsibilities. Your favorite fantasy league format is what? So like 2QB. What would be your favorite league format? I like three keepers. My favorite format is three keepers, and it's a half PPR, one flex league. No super flex no i mean it's i like the concept of super flex of how we're you know restoring balance to the quarterback position but i don't think you
Starting point is 00:57:34 need to like our game is fantasy football our game is not the nfl and i will take all the loopholes and i like it's the quarterback streaming situation is just very fun to me. I'm going to the waiver wire. I'm putting it all on the line right now, saying that Daniel Jones is about to go off against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and nobody wants him. Scoop him up. I'm throwing him in my lineup,
Starting point is 00:57:57 which you can't do that nearly as much when you're in the Superflex. Heath and Jamie, I have one more question, but I'll let you guys go for it if you have anything no um i think you guys are big into foosball correct oh yes oh yeah we are the fantasy footballers are big into all table and rec games so like if you want to get destroyed at foosball or shuffle shuffleboard we're over here look us up it would be hard for me to be worse at anything than i am at zelda but foosball might be that thing i don't know how are you bad it's impossible dude it's so hard i die like immediately like you in fortnite or whatever whatever you were saying pub g it's just you said 15 minutes it's 30 seconds for me i'm just like
Starting point is 00:58:43 screw this i'm playing playing Punch-Out. The very best thing we could do for Twitch is just stop doing these things where we talk to each other about fantasy football and you just stream getting your ass kicked at Zelda over and over and over again. I'm happy to do it.
Starting point is 00:58:59 Shaggy B could set that up. Alright, last thing then. He would leave out the first 30 seconds and only count the 30 seconds that we survived. There are no next 30 seconds is what I'm trying to explain. Rank these three things.
Starting point is 00:59:13 Pancakes, waffles, French toast. Oh, that's a simple question I've had to endure many, many times and it's great. French toast is the clear 101. It is dominant and I will take waffles number two. Pancakes, while good, It's great. French toast is the clear 101. It is dominant. And I will take waffles, number two.
Starting point is 00:59:35 Pancakes, while good, it's an easy third where these restaurants, they just want to give you pancakes. That's how they value them. You want unlimited pancakes? Please take them. Take the pancakes away from us. Meanwhile, French toast, that's a delicacy, man. You go to Cracker Barrel, get some of Mama's French toast. Oh, man, you will not be productive for the rest of the day, but it is delicious.
Starting point is 00:59:57 That doesn't sound like a good food. If it's that heavy and you're not going to be productive for the rest of the day. You are the worst. The worst. Yeah. That doesn't sound like good food. I mean, you are the worst. The worst. Yeah. That doesn't sound like good food. I mean, you have some pancakes. You feel great.
Starting point is 01:00:08 They're delicious. You move on to your next activity. Go eat your tofu. Go eat your tofu. There's a reason why you're 135 pounds. But yeah, it's because I'm eating peanut butter and jelly every day. It's quarantine time.
Starting point is 01:00:20 All right, Mike Wright, thank you so much for coming on. By the way, if you want to see the face, the fart face that he made when we talked about Miles Sanders, just go to his Twitter profile, at FFHitman.
Starting point is 01:00:31 That's fair. Yeah, right. It's basically that picture. And listen to the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Thanks for coming on, dude. I appreciate it. Anything you want to plug, go for it right now. Ah, man, just the podcast.
Starting point is 01:00:41 If the CBS guys aren't getting it done for you, we got a show with the fantasy footballers. No, we're all good. We can exist in the same space at the podcast land. Really, really thank you for having me on, guys. A lot of great podcasts out there, fantasy footballers, right up there at the top. That's Mike Wright, Jamie Eisenberg, and Heath Cummings.
Starting point is 01:01:02 I'm Adam Azer. We'll talk to you on Friday with some Dynasty Talk. Until then, see you next time.

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