Fantasy Football Today - Mock Draft Review! Kelce #1 Overall??? (01/11 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: January 11, 2023

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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Yeah, we're getting you ready for August already. We got a mock draft to review, a 12-team, three-receiver PPR mock draft. Travis Kelsey went first overall. What kind of lunatic takes Travis Kelsey first overall? We'll tell you on today's show. I'm Adam Azer with Jamie Eisenberg and Dave Richard. How's the offseason treating you guys?

Back in the building. Yay. No rest for the weary. So do we have any... I've written more this week than I think I have, and this is saying a lot because stardom syndrome

is usually a beast and so is way right. I've written more this week I think that I did in the entire month of December with the mock draft recap, quarterback top 12 recap, the playoff challenge rankings,

the running backs and wide receivers tight end, top 24. It's been a busy week. It's good that you're working. I've written nothing. I've formatted a bunch of spreadsheets. I found a couple of poker tournaments that I want to go play in there's a baseball card show I'm going to

yeah I've written maybe six sentences okay I did pick up House of the Dragon again episode 5 so making progress not even close I saw it the night before

oh what did you think terrible oh you're off after 20 minutes get the hell out of here really yeah it was it was not great okay it's dead serious if i wanted to watch seth rogan get high and have fun with robin and the falcon then maybe i would have like i don't know watched a comic book movie maybe or watched like one of seth rogan's other earlier better movies all right well i'm sorry one of those movies but with christmas and less pink eye sorry for the uh bad recommendation okay so we'll talk about the draft we have news office christmas party next okay it a shot. I don't think you're going to like it, but give it a shot. We'll talk about Josh Jacobs

and what the Bears are going to do with the number one pick and if the Lions are committed to Jared Goff and some coaching news and Alan Lazard not going to be back apparently in Green Bay and some news for the weekend slate as well. It's the Mar Jackson update to Otunga-Vailoa. But first, let's just take a quick peek at the draft and the best pick and the worst pick of the draft.

And Jamie, what was the best pick of this 12-team, three-receiver PPR League draft? I mean, there are a lot of great picks. I know we're going to get into the Javante Williams situation. Now, just for clarity, we did this draft. And you could read the, you know, we're going to show you the results, but you can see the stories up on CBSSports.com. We did this without rankings.

We did this the day after Week 18, so the first Monday after the regular season. Is this the earliest we've ever done this? No, we usually do it on Monday after. So, Javante Williams, for example, slipped for, I think, most of us, aside from Jacob Gibbs, who took him in round five, which was a steal. For me, the best pick was two rounds earlier in round three, Ramondre Stevenson. I think I said this on one of our final regular season shows, that if Damian Harris leaves and they don't bring in any significant competition, plus the hopeful upgrade at offense coordinator, Stevenson could be a first-round pick for me.

So getting him in round three, I thought that was a steal by Frank. Frank Stample. Yeah. Okay. Dave, what was the best pick for you? I didn't know there was another Frank. Our audience might not know.

Oh, that's true. But, I mean, they watch the fantasy baseball today, and they know that Frank's a good guy. Every one of our audience members watches fantasy baseball today. Absolutely. They know. Yeah, there's no question.

I'm going to toot my own horn. I think the best pick in this draft was Patrick Mahomes in round four, which I don't think anybody should really expect to see in their home leagues. But if he's going to be, he was the third quarterback

off the board. If he's going to be the third quarterback off the board, that was a weird one. Then that's stealing all day, even if that is in round two or in wherever. We may have a lot of critiques of

Zach Steen, who took Jalen Hurts as the first quarterback. It's not that crazy. That's where I'm going with one of my bad picks, but not Hurts necessarily. Yeah, Zach had the 12th pick. We'll talk about his first pick in a moment, I think. His third pick, 37th

overall, was Jalen. I guess it was his fourth pick, sorry. He had the 36th pick. He took DK Metcalf, then he took Jalen Hurts. Let's bring on Schaefer here, because Schaefer, he took Josh Allen ahead of Patrick Mahomes. Which I think I ranked Allen ahead of Mahomes

actually, because Allen Allen ahead of Mahomes actually, because, uh, Allen was, yeah, Allen was better than Mahomes in 2021. He was better than Mahomes before his elbow injury in 2022. He has, he rushes for a lot more yards. So, well, Schaefer, why did you take Josh Allen over Mahomes? Um, I drafted Stefan digs. So I wanted the stack. It wasn't really have anything to do with, I think, Josh Allen's so much better than Patrick Mahomes.

It was just simply because I had Diggs and I wanted the double points. Okay, okay, interesting. All right, what was the worst pick, Dave? Zach took Kareem Hunt in round six. He did? Yeah, this isn't 2020 anymore, Zach. I don't know if Kareem Hunt's going to have a job in the league next year.

Oh, I'd be surprised if he didn't have a job in the league. Does he get 10 touches a week? I mean, if he gets an opportunity to compete for a starting job, then yeah. Would it be surprising if a team gives him a cheap deal and he goes in to compete for the starter? Right, but what running back would you take in round six that's competing to be a starter? Oh, well, we don't know.

His age. To me, I didn't mind that there to see if he does get a chance to go. I mean, the Dolphins may clean house, and he could be a guy that Miami covets. I mean, you could see him go to Houston and compete with Damian Pierce. He went ahead of Tyler Algier. Would you do that? No, he went too soon.

But I don't think it's like that glaring that he can't be somebody of significance next year. We may get through the offseason and he's competing with Tyler Algier. There is not a chance on this planet you're taking Kareem Hunt in round six if he goes anywhere where he's competing for a job. No, but I think the thought is that... He could maybe go in and compete with a guy that's unproven.

If he goes to Dallas and Dallas cleans house and all they have is Kareem Hunt and Malik Davis, then he's definitely going to go before round six. He's a third round pick. Yeah, but anything short of that... What if he goes to Philly and replaces Miles Sanders? They're still going to split back. What if he goes to the Raiders and splits? He'd go of that... What if he goes to Philly and replaces Miles Sanders? They're still going to split back. What if he goes to

the Raiders and splits? He'd go to round six or earlier if he goes to Philly. If he goes to the Raiders, probably like a round five type of thing. If he's the only guy there, he's not going to round five. Yeah, I don't know how good he is anymore. He went ahead of Algier. He went ahead of David Montgomery. He went ahead of

J.K. Dobbins. It's definitely too soon. But I don't think it's... I don't think... To me, I went ahead of J.K. Dobbins. It's definitely too soon, but I don't think it's – I don't think – to me, I would separate the two. The pick was too soon. The speculation on him, though, it's not a bad guy to speculate on. Sure. He could also resign and – well, he's not resigning. He's not resigning.

No chance. I think he ends up being a splitback somewhere. No, I would lean that way, but I just think that it's too soon right now to dismiss the idea of him getting a chance to be the lead back somewhere. In a committee, but the lead back somewhere. Okay. Jamie, what was the worst pick for you, Jamie? Oh, Najee Harrison, round one.

To take him as a first-round pick at this point, you weren't paying attention. Sorry, Zach. Zach, he took both those picks, um, to take, take him ahead of, you know, Ken Walker, for example, Joe Mixon, for example, um, not, he's not a top-tall running back for me as it stands right now. So I liked the way he closed the season, but you know, you're talking about a guy that went from, uh, his, his passing numbers just cratered from his rookie season, you know, which we expected to take a little bit of a downturn, but not to that extreme. And so,

you know, this was a little bit of a departure at points in the season from where Mike Tomlin's running backs have been, where they started to use a second guy. And we'll see how much that carries over to next year. But I do think that Najee saved himself from being just a complete disaster after what happened in the beginning portion of the season. Well, mostly the middle portion of the season. But to take him still in the first round, you're really taking a huge leap for him to get back to being that rookie player.

And I think for him to get back to being that caliber of running back, he's got to get more involved in the passing game, which I just don't see happening. Yeah, I mean, he did finish strong. He had 22 or more carries in three of his last four games. His last four games were four of his last four games. His last four games were four of his 14 plus five.

Yeah. Four of his five best of the season. And, you know, he was scoring. He scored in three of them. So, yeah. All right. But but yeah, still too early to take him in round one. And we'll get back into that draft in just a little bit. Let's take a look at the news and notes here.

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All right, so we look at the news and notes, Dave, and you got Arizona. This happened at the end of our previous show on Monday. They fired Cliff Kingsbury, their GM, Steve Keim, is stepping away. There's a report that DeAndre Hopkins is on the trade market. You've got Tennessee firing offensive coordinator Todd Downing. You've got the Rams coaching staff kind of in flux. I'd say that's the offensive. Commanders. Right, the commanders, that's right.

They fired their offensive coordinator as well. So, Dave, what's the big takeaway from all of that? I think it's got to be Hopkins and that he's going to be on a different team next year. And there's all kinds of interesting landing spots for him. Could he be the number one receiver that's been missing in Baltimore? Could he be reunited with Deshaun Watson in Cleveland?

Could he be Justin Fields? Number one receiver. Could Bill Belichick get his hands on Deandre Hopkins? And I think we can go on beyond that. And the Giants could be there too. He has no trade clause. What do you mean? He has no trade clause.

So it's his choice. So he can decide where he wants to go based on the teams that show interest. I think a lot of teams can show interest in him. I mean, he's 31 and you've got to pay him. He's 31 and you've got to pay him. So that's, I think, a lot at play here. And so he's going to want an extension. So you've got to look for a team that's got cap space.

And I think, you know, the Chicago makes some sense, you know, if he wants to go be with a young quarterback and a team that can maybe afford him there. There's a lot at play with this. They also don't have, as you alluded to, Adam, a general manager that's going to make this deal. You know, so if they're doing it a little hastily, they could get fleeced. You know, if they don't get enough compensation, you know, kind of what happened

to the Cowboys, you know, where they didn't get enough in return for, let's say, a Mark Cooper. So I think this is going to, I would hope for the Cardinals sake that it drags out a little bit because then they, you know, get their leadership in place and then they can make a, you know, hopefully an informed decision. But I mean, I think I said this on one of our shows a couple weeks ago, that this was a possibility. Not a shock that you're seeing this floated out there. They need to hit the reset button, clearly, and that's what they're doing with their front office and coaching staff. So, I think the biggest free agent receiver this year is Juju. I mean, there's some other names, too.

DJ Chark, Alan Lazard. Lazard essentially said that he's not going back to Green Bay. Said that after the game. He was kind of- He wants to get paid. NSFW about it. Mecole Hardman's out there. And then receivers that might get cut from their contracts. It looks like Michael Thomas is headed that way. Amari Cooper might get headed that way. Hopkins is a tier above everybody that I just named. And so if, if a team really wants a veteran receiver, he's the best one that's going to be out there. And as long as there's two teams going after that guy, the Cardinals should get some good value for him. You would hope that, you know, I would hope. Yeah. And, and let's back up

a second though, because a year ago, you never thought Tyreek was going anywhere. You never thought Devante Adams was going anywhere. You never thought Devontae Adams was going anywhere. You never thought Amari Cooper was going anywhere. You never thought a lot of these guys were going to be available. So it may not just be Hopkins. We may get to that next wave of guys that teams are trying to rebuild, and this is one of those type of situations. I got a name, out of nowhere name, Cooper Cup.

Could be. Could you imagine? The Rams are going to hit the reset? It doesn't sound like Sean McVay is going to come back if he's letting his staff leave. And so if he doesn't come back. I mean, staff has been leaving, though, for three years. That's true. But this is a little bit different now.

He's taking time to make his decision, but it just feels like he's not going to come back. And I wonder if that leads to Stafford not coming back. And I wonder if they hit the reset button and Cooper cup, who's going to be 30 next year ends up becoming available. That would replace Hopkins as the top receiver that a team could go and get. But again, you know, you're talking about in Hopkins case, a 31 year old guy that's had some neat concerns over the last two years. He's not a speed guy. You know,

he's certainly got it separates and finds a way to get open. So, you know, I can't see a team that's giving up a first-round pick for him. Well, he went in a pretty interesting range in round four of this draft. Hopkins went after Mike Evans and Jerry Judy and just before Chris Olave. So if you guys were going to rank... It was a steal. Hopkins was? For what he could be, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, Hopkins versus Olave is a really interesting one to me. Who was a steal. Hopkins was? For what he could be. Yeah. I mean, Hopkins versus Olave is a really interesting one to me. Who would you guys take? Hopkins. Not knowing his team, you've got to factor that in. I'd probably still take Hopkins, but he ends up in a bad situation

with a bad quarterback. Then Olave might be better if they fix their quarterback situation. What's a bad situation? Would New England be a bad situation? Yeah. I would think so. Yeah. I still think so. Yeah. Yeah. I still think you'd get a ton of targets. I just don't know if you'd be a

top 30 overall fantasy player. I don't case a top 40. I don't think there should be so much separation between Garrett Wilson and a lobby. Like I think a lobby, we kind of are forgetting what he did at the beginning part of

the year when he had a guy that was throwing the ball down the field. Oh, I would take alave over Wilson. Over Garrett Wilson? Yes, I would. Would you not? I have it ranked that way right now, but I don't

know if I'm going to keep it that way. I would take Garrett Wilson over Olave, but to me, they should be closer. I think it's really, it comes down to, I assume Michael Thomas will not be back with the Saints. If he's back, then that would change things. And I need to see who the quarterbacks are going to be for both teams. But, yeah, I mean, to me, they're pretty damn similar.

And we'll just see who's in a better situation. Speaking of situations, I didn't like what the commanders were saying, just from a fantasy standpoint, that they want to run the ball. They want to be a run-heavy team, control the pace of the game. I don't love that for fantasy. You know, but we'll see what happens. But obviously, it seems like they want to be a ground-and-pound team. I mean, Ron Rivera stuck in, you know, 1994. Yeah, it's not.

Sometimes your defense dictates otherwise, but when they were winning games this year, they were throwing 28, 30 times a game with Taylor Heineke. So never a good thing. What did you think of, Jamie, what did you think of what GM Ryan Poles of the Bears was saying about Justin Fields? It seemed like he was endorsing him, but not a wholehearted endorsement. Didn't completely rule out drafting a quarterback number one overall. What did you think of that?

I think it was GM talking to the media in January that didn't necessarily keep all his cards close to the vest, but tried to the best he can. You don't want to tip your hand too much and not give up the ability to try and maybe get somebody to trade up for the number one overall pick and also maybe try and trade for Justin Fields if you are inclined to take a quarterback.

So once they go through the evaluation process, if they think that Bryce Young or CJ Stroud or any of those guys are better than Justin Fields, then they have to make that move and hit the reset button and go that route. You don't get very many chances to get a, a guy, if you think is better than the guy you have, because, you know, you don't want to always be at the top of the draft. So if they feel like any of these prospects are better than Fields, then you try and get a first round pick or multiple picks for Fields and you take whatever incoming quarterback that you like. But I have a hard time separating Fields dramatically from these guys, whether one way or the other.

So if you want to say Young's better than Fields, it's not by much. If you want to say Stroud, same thing. I think they're all kind of similar. If Fields was coming out, he may be the best prospect. So I hope they do their due diligence similar. If, if fields was coming out, he may be the best prospect. So, uh, I hope they, they do their due diligence and don't make a hasty decision.

But, uh, for me, I'd like to see field stay in Chicago and somebody else, maybe trade up and go get them. All right. Let's run through the rest of the, uh,

notes here. Brandon cook says he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild. He was the number 40 wide receiver per game this year in 13 games. Alan Lazard said, he's not going to be back with the Packers. And he was NSFW with it, not safe for work. Also, head coach Matt LaFleur said he would consider giving up play-calling duties.

Let's see. You see who he said he wants to bring back, right? No, who'd he say? Nathaniel Hackett. Oh, yeah, that would make sense. Oh, that would be great. Brees Hall thinks he could be ready for training camp. Well, he had Aaron Rodgers, of course. Brees Hall thinks he could be ready for training camp. Well, he had Aaron Rodgers, of course. Brees Hall thinks he could be ready for training camp.

Unfortunate injury for the Panthers. Right guard Austin Corbett tore his ACL in Week 18. And if we look ahead to this weekend's games, Lamar Jackson seems unlikely to play this week. I'd say the same for Tua. Raheem Mostert is likely out with a fractured thumb. Baltimore signed Roquan Smith to a five-year $100 million extension. Their defense has been ridiculous since they traded for Roquan Smith.

And great news for the Chargers. Not going to be for this week, but if they can advance, they've got a chance of getting Rashawn Slater, their stud left tackleback. He will practice this week. He will not play this week at Jacksonville, but at least he's practicing and has a chance to come off IR if they can advance in the playoffs. Meanwhile, Mike Williams is questionable right now.

That's not an official injury report necessarily. That's just he's in question with his back injury. All right, let's turn our attention now to our mock draft. Again, it was 12 teams. It was the PPR League. Start three wide receivers and a flex, so it could get a little wide receiver heavy. Six point per passing touchdown. And we already talked about the Javante Williams things thing,

but as you see the results, we were doing this without rankings and kind of just going on. One of the main things we're using was points scored. So he, we didn't forget about Brees Hall, but we kind of forgot about Javante Williams. And I think, where do you think he would have gone? Round two, three turn, right around there? I think round three. Yeah. Round three. Someone would have taken him. I would have considered him at the two, three turn for sure.

So I had that pick. I had the first pick. Jamie had the third pick. Dave, what pick did you have? I had the fourth pick jamie had the third pick dave what pick did you have i had the fourth pick i believe oh i had the fifth pick oh okay all right so if you don't see giovante williams in the first three rounds that's why he went in the fifth round uh well i don't mean to hog the spotlight here but since jamie wrote an entire article about my strategy, how do you think it worked out with going with Travis Kelsey first overall? And then at the 2-3 turn, I took Nick Chubb and

Jalen Waddle, and then Joe Burrow and Tyler Lockett. So I started with Kelsey, Chubb, Waddle, Burrow, Lockett. Jamie, what did you think of the Travis Kelsey, the Travis Kelsey number one overall strategy? Did it work out? I think it worked out, you know, and the thing that I wrote about is if you had done this at seventh overall as opposed to first overall, we would not even blink an eye about it, you know?

So it's really coming down to, as we talked about, I think prior to this when you had alluded to it, that if this is the guy you think is, A, is he going to continue to be this, this caliber player, five points, better, six points, better than, than the field. Then he's, he's in the conversation. Uh, he's going to be 34 the year before he was not the number one tight end. So Mark Andrews was better than him on a points per game basis. And so, you know, will you have buyer's remorse if there's that situation again, that somebody's better than Kelsey? But again, just looking at your team, if you had done this at seven, you know,

and Nick Chubb was your first running back and Jalen Waddle was your first receiver and you ended up with Joe Burrow, it's obviously a very good team. Tyler Lockett as well. You know, the two things I think I probably would have done differently, just from the overall picture of your team is if you go this route and you're sort of leaving yourself without the top tier running back or top tier wide receiver, don't take a second quarterback and certainly don't take a second tight end. You know, your, your, your investment in Kelsey is to take him without hesitation to,

I know you could play the other guys at flex, but like, I would just be throwing capital at running back or receiver just to make sure in case you need one of those spots because you didn't take the best player there at that spot. Well, I'm always going to take it. I'm almost always going to take a second quarterback and the second quarterback and the second tight end were my last two picks. And Juwan Johnson was literally the last pick in the draft. And honestly, 100% honest here, I really just was like searching through and could

not find anyone else that I wanted. So if that had been a normal draft, there's, and you know, we had rankings up and handcuffs and all that. There's no way I would have taken Juwan Johnson, but fair enough. I had no problem taking Daniel Jones with my second to last pick, uh, you know, because as we learned this year, quarterbacks, they seem really safe. They're just, they're not guarantees and, and it's not the deepest position and it can't necessarily stream them off the waiver wire. So if your guy gets hurt,

you don't want to be stuck with no backup quarterback in a ruined season. So I took a shot on Daniel Jones. If they upgrade the receiver position, you know, I have no intention of starting over burrow, but I think he's a good enough player to get drafted. So I'm not, I'm I'm,

I were never going to see eye to eye on the backup quarterback. No, no, I, it's, it, I don't have a problem with, I guess that,

let me rephrase it. Don't take both. Don't take a backup quarterback me rephrase it. Don't take both. Don't take a backup quarterback and a backup tight end. Don't handcuff yourself with two bench spots in that regard. The Juwan Johnson thing, I would never do. But yeah, Dave, what'd you think? Do you think we can pull it off taking Kelsey first or second or third overall? It doesn't have to be first overall.

It's just a very, very early pick invested in him. I think you can. I think you laid out a decent blueprint for it, but I think it could be perfected. One of the rules that we've talked about for years on this podcast is don't take a tight end and a quarterback both with your first five picks, which you did. And then you took Jahan Dotson when you could have had Lamar Jackson. So if you're asking me which combo do I like better between Burrow and Dotson versus Lamar Jackson and DJ Moore, especially for the build in which you approached it, it's no question for me, the DJ Moore and Lamar Jackson duo with the other guys that you got might be a little Ravens heavy because you also got J.K. Dobbins.

But, I mean, assuming that Jackson stays there, it's a lot of yards that should be on the table for your team. So I think the one difference I would have made would have been waiting, maybe even longer for a quarterback than round six or round seven, and just pile up those receivers and running backs. I think he did a good job doing that, but getting burrow just seemed like a, a pick I wouldn't have made.

I would have tried to attack wide receiver. So I'd have a stronger trio there, along with Chubb and Travis Kelsey with your first three picks. Well, that was one of the things that changed for me because I wouldn't have taken Burrow there last year. But because quarterback changed so much this season, and you can't rely necessarily on Brady and Russell Wilson and Matthew Stafford, these older guys that didn't do so well. I thought it was more important this year to have a difference maker at quarterback. So I personally don't know.

I no longer subscribe to the don't draft a quarterback in a tight end with two of your first five picks strategy or guideline. I've just thrown that out the window. And if I have an opportunity to get a difference maker, I really felt like Joe Burrow is a bigger difference maker than a guy like DJ Moore. I'm also kind of over Lamar Jackson. And also I didn't know for sure when I took Joe Burrow, that Lamar Jackson would be available to me. You know, you can always, you can always second guess it and look at that, but you don't know how the draft is going to play

out that he would be available to me later on in the draft when he was taking it. Especially the very first draft of the year. Right. So I have no problem. My biggest issue with my team is I just don't have a lot of catches. It's a PPR league, and I have guys like Waddle and Nick Chubb and J.K. Dobbins. That's not ideal.

But I don't know. Jamie, you can tell me how you feel about it. I have no problem at this point taking a tight end and a quarterback in the first five rounds. Obviously, that tight end probably should be Kelsey. I don't know how many more are going to... Andrews will probably go in the first five rounds.

Just based on the way your team looks at the end of the season. I think in the tight end quarterback situation, I think if you're getting two top five guys, it's fine. Right. It's got to be. If you're taking you know if if you were taking deshaun watson and and travis kelsey you know like there's already been like eight quarterbacks that have gone you know and you're going that route then i would agree with

dave but i i think just in this case you are getting two difference makers and and the flip side of that is you're almost you're not sidestepping running back and receiver but you're you're trying to separate yourself at other other spots and so if burrow is who we expect him to be which you know he has been for the better part of a year and a half and in kelsey's kelsey you now should be able to significantly be better than your opponent most week at those two positions so i think there's also that side of it i also you know in terms of best picks i thought the hobbins was one of your best picks too or one of the drafts best picks, because if he's right, and as we've seen in, you know, two of four games,

he looks like he could be, you know, that, that was, that was a pretty good value pick. I was surprised when I, when I did, you know, cause I spent a lot of time, like you said, writing about your team. That did stand out to me about the catches. Cause I know that's something you usually prioritize. And so, and the other thing will be just for people that are the diehards who, again,

we appreciate that are really following our content. They're going to see your top 12 running backs. The list is up and you don't have Chubb in your top 12 and you took him over a few guys that you have ranked otherwise. So I know you said you did it for the safety factor.

Who else did I take other than Javante? else I take him over you have DeAndre Swift ranked ahead of yeah and so like you know again for me I would have if I'm going that route I want to maximize as much upside as I can not not the Nick Chubb doesn't have it but if Swift you know he had three games this past season with double digits and carries and now Jamal Williams is a free agent. If he becomes their guy, which we all hope he can be, in those three games, he was 20 PPR points or more. So if he starts to just

get more consistent work and stay healthy, he certainly has top five upside. So I would probably stick to, in the case of you, your own draft board there, and gone with Swift over Chubb. Fair enough. Swift over Chubb would be an easy call once we get some type of explanation why his touches were so low

and some type of indication that they're going to actually use him as a feature back if they feel like he can withstand it. But if he can't stay healthy, then he's going to be a bust. That's what I'd worry about. All right, let's take a break. When we come back, we'll talk about other people's teams

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a step to keep your team and community safe. Visit OntarioOneCall.ca and avoid unnecessary damages to get the job done right. Data sourced from the ORCGA 2023 Dirt Report. We're back. Okay, so why don't we go over some of the results here, and we'll go through the first maybe three or four rounds and give some thoughts. So let's throw round one up there on the board. Schaefer, and we'll just go through the picks. And it was Kelsey 1, Justin Jefferson,

Christian McCaffrey, Austin Eckler, Jonathan Taylor, Jamar Chase, Stephon Diggs, Cooper Cup, Saquon Barkley, Derrick Henry, Tyreek Hill, and Najee Harris. And I know we don't like the Najee Harris pick, but everything else here looks pretty standard except maybe Derrick Henry. He went 10th overall.

Henry was still, I think, like top three or four per game. So, Dave, is this a good pick, Derrick Henry? 10th overall. Henry was still, I think, like top three or four per game. So, Dave, is this a good pick, Derrick Henry? Fifth of fifth, 10th overall. Sorry, 10th overall. It's hard to say that Derrick Henry is definitely going to take a downturn just because of his age. There's things that need to get solved in Tennessee. What's that offensive line going to look like?

Who's going to be the new offensive coordinator. Might the Titans go and kind of work his reps back a little bit. Do they bring in another running back or do they give more to Hassan Haskins? These are questions that need to be answered, but still averaged a shade over 19 PPR points per game. Four years in a row. Four years in a row. He was top five in per game. Four years in a row. Four years in a row. He was top five in

per game overall. Consistency at the position of getting at least 15 points. 34th in targets per game. That's obviously going to be the other factor when it comes to Henry. He's been lower than that and he had 30 catches this year.

I think he's still worthy of being in the first round but you'd obviously rather get him in round two you know you'd rather get a better value all right let's go to round two then and see if there are any surprises here aj brown davante adams dalvin cook cd lamb ken walker joe mixon breeze hall josh jacobs Amonra St. Brown, T. Higgins, Travis Etienne, and Nick Chubb. AJ Brown, Devontae Adams, Dalvin Cook, CeeDee Lamb, Ken Walker, Joe Mixon, Breeze Hall, Josh Jacobs, Amonra St. Brown, T. Higgins, Travis Etienne, Nick Chubb.

Jamie, does anybody drafted in round two not belong in round two? Not necessarily doesn't belong in round two, but maybe switch around a few of their selections where they went. To me, Ken Walker's got top five upside, so I would have taken him in round one over Derek Henry, for example. I think he should go ahead of Dalvin Cook. I would take Brees Hall over Dalvin Cook as well, and Jacobs also. For the most part, though, I think these guys are in the range.

And Joe Mixon. These guys are in the range, I think, of where they're going to go. I also like Travis Etienne better than Derrick Henry for next year, too. So, yeah. I think some of the three of the last four picks, not that your Nick Chubb pick was bad, but love St. Brown. I was hoping he'd fall one more spot to me.

I took T. Higgins and then Travis Etienne. So that trio right there was pretty impressive. Oh, yeah. I mean, Higgins and Etienne going right before Nick Chubb was a real knife to the heart. It was like, oh, come on, man. I definitely wanted those two guys. Nick Chubb, though, has been a top 10 running back per game

four straight years in full PPR. So, no, he's been 10th, ninth, 12th and eighth. So he's been top 12, all four years has been top 10, three of the last four seasons per game in PPR. He was the 13th running back selected in this draft. So he's safe, uh, not as super exciting in PPR, but, but there's safety there. All right. Uh, what about him on receipt Brown date? Jamie, you're cool with that. Uh, he went, uh, let's see 24th, 20, 20th overall, I believe. No 21st. Um, yeah, no, I love that. He went, let's see, 20th overall, I believe. No, 21st overall.

Yeah, no, I love it. I think we've seen enough of what we need to see from him. Again, we'll see Ben Johnson and Jared Goff, if those two guys are back in their respective roles. But with the threat of now Jamison Williams coming and whatever else they decide to do, bring back DJ Chark, Amar St. Brown, a total whiff of saying he wasn't going to take a step back because he did not.

He was special. He's a pretty special talent and I think going to continue to be one of the better PPR wide receivers for the next several years. I feel like there's a lot of players in the end of round two who will end up going in this range. Some drafts, you'll see them in round two. Some drafts, you'll see them in early round three. It just depends on who people like and how badly they want other running backs. Like for now,

talking about Swift and Ramondre and even Pollard and Pierce as round three running backs, I think that's fine for now. But I wonder if by the time we get to August, they'll get pushed up a little bit. And maybe some of the others like T. Higgins and August, they'll get pushed up a little bit. And maybe some of the others like T Higgins and St. Brown could get pushed down a little bit. Maybe Chubb and ETN get pushed down a little bit as well. And there, there, there's going to be just this big mix of players that are going to go anywhere between 20th and like the rookies.

I mean, overall. Yeah. Like once Bijan's in the mix, he's going to be a second round pick if he's in the right spot. Yeah. But yeah, I do have some big news.

If I could take a quick break from this draft to tell you that DeMar Hamlin is out of the hospital and home. Oh, that's awesome. Hell, yeah. So that's some great news to share there. And then Tua's out. Tua's been rolled out. Less awesome.

Skyler Thompson's going to start. That's even more less awesome. Lesser awesome? That's even more less awesome. Lesser awesome? That's the least awesome. It is as good news as you can get for Buffalo right now. The hospital and no tools. It's working out very well for Bilt.

Obviously one much more positive. Yeah. Great news. Really excited to see him at the game. Hopefully. I mean, I can't. Hopefully, yeah. I don't know, but it would be amazing. Okay, so let's go to round three here.

Round three in this 12-team draft. And we've got Jalen Waddell, who was number 14 per game in PPR. But if you look at the games that he played just with Tua, it was basically about wide receiver or eight or nine. Basically the same as A.J. Brown and C.D. Lamb in the games that Tua started and finished. So Waddelldle Mark Andrews,

interesting pick. They're hoping for a bounce back. Devante Smith. Look who took him. Heath took him. Yes. Uh, so waddle Andrews,

Smith, Devante Smith, Tony Pollard, Chris Godwin, Garrett Wilson, Damian Pierce, Ramond Ray Stevenson, Amari Cooper,

Debo Samuel, DeAndre Swift, and DK Metcalf. As always, round three in a 12-team league is where some of the picks start to get a little riskier, right? And it's usually about midway through. So again, I'll read them one more time. Waddle, Andrews, Devante Smith, Pollard, Chris Godwin, Garrett Wilson, Damian Pierce, Ramondre Stevenson, Amari Cooper, Debo Samuel, DeAndre Swift, and DK Metcalf. Dave, what are your thoughts on round three? More running backs and receivers along with Andrews. I think we'll see Andrews in this same range. The top half of the people in round three might be in the mix in late round two

and the rest are probably going to be in that round three, four range by the time we get to August. I can tell you that I kind of had that instant remorse after taking Chris Godwin with my pick because I think I can pencil him in for a hundred catches. I think I can pencil him in for a catches. I think I can pencil him in for 1,000 yards without consideration of his quarterback. Even if his quarterback is a notch down from Brady, let's call it a half notch from 2022 Brady because 2022 Brady wasn't the usual Brady. I still think he can get to those marks.

How many touchdowns could he get with league average quarterback? Could he get to seven or eight? I don't know if he can. I do like that it's going to be a year removed from his ACL. So in a full PPR, I like the volume. But as I sit here and I compare him to Garrett Wilson, Wilson could get hyper-targeted too. He could end up with over-under catches,

and he's going to be more explosive than Godwin, so he's got a chance to get more touchdowns. So that's a pick I might want to do over on for me. And did you consider Hopkins? I did, but I almost view him in the same lens as Godwin with the exception being that he can probably catch more touchdowns. So Godwin's going to move down in my rankings.

He won't be anywhere near where I took him in this draft. Why not? Amari Cooper. Did you consider Amari Cooper there? He went a few picks. I don't know if Cooper's staying in Cleveland because he's, he's got a high cap number that they can move on from. And remember the,

the Cowboys were fooled on that trade, but what the Browns gave up, they're not going to care about that capital now giving up a day three pick to get Cooper. So if he restructures, then sure he's in the conversation. I mean, I don't know why they would have to really do something to replace him

because he's really good, obviously. And we've seen Deshaun Watson's number one wide receiver, whether it's been Hopkins or real fuller, be an absolute fantasy superstar, you know, worthy of a first or second round pick. So that was, I thought it pick. He seems committed to staying

there just from the standpoint of he spent a lot of time, I don't know if he was hoping maybe that they'd be in a playoff mix or not, but reportedly spent a lot of time throwing away from the field with Deshaun Watson. Again, I don't know if that was trying to make Watson get comfortable for when he was going to return, if they

have a friendship, or he's just, hey, I'm a Brown. This is going to be my quarterback. Let me make sure we're on the same page. Almost every pick in this round has a question mark. Waddle's question mark. Who's his quarterback? Pollard, obviously, is a big question mark. Godman, who's his quarterback?

Garrett Wilson, who's his quarterback? Damian Pierce is a huge question mark. Armandre Stevenson, free agent, you know, did they bring Damian Harris back? Amari Cooper, is he going to be on the team? Debo Samuel, who's his quarterback? DeAndre Swift is a big question mark. DK Metcalf is pretty much DK Metcalf,

but I guess, who's his quarterback? Who's his quarterback for the full season if they draft someone? So it's a risky round. Let's go to round four here, and then we'll get into Dave and Jamie's teams and see how things played out. Quarterbacks, three of them come off the board in round four, starting with Jalen Hurts, then Alvin Kamara, Mike Evans, Jerry Judy, DeAndre Hopkins, Josh Allen, Chris Olave, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Jones, Christian Kirk, Keenan Allen, and Tyler Lockett. Keenan Allen,

I mean, another pick where I was like, please, please, please make it to me. Oh, one pick before me. Keenan Allen did not skip a beat. I know he's getting up there in age, but he was exactly what he always is. He's an absolute fantasy must-start in full PPR. How does he fall to

47th overall? Jamie, was that a steal or my overnight? Yeah, it was absolute steal. I struggled with it cause I took Kirk right before it. And so, you know,

it was, do you want the younger player who's, who's attached to a great quarterback or, or the aging players attached to a great quarterback? And so I went with the younger player, but I think you can make a case that Keenan Allen, like you said, he was awesome,

but is he going to start to, you know, deal with a little bit more, you know, minor aches and pains and, you know, they, they didn't really necessarily, it's not that they didn't need him, but, you know, they were still winning games without him. So, you know, I think if you're the chargers and he's not a hundred percent, you want to give him the time to make sure he is right. And so they may have these situations arise next year where it's okay.

A one or two game injury turns into a three or four game injury. So you always got to feel that with, with, uh, with players as they get older. But I mean, Keenan Allen's a star, you know? So, um, if, if you tell me right now,

he's playing 17 games, you know, 16 fantasy games. Uh, he's, he's at least around higher, if not more. Yeah.

Wouldn't it be around to pick? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. 15 or more PPR points in six of his last seven games. He averaged almost 20 PPR points per game. 19.7. He's great. He just gets a ton of targets,

puts in good work. You just have to hope he stays healthy. Who would you guys rather draft? Alvin Kamara, who went second in this round, or Jerry Judy, who went fourth? I think we got to factor in the potential suspension. So just to give you an idea, in full disclosure,

so Jack Capiturio is one of our producers here at cbs sports hq produces fantasy football today our our live show every uh day during the football season at noon eastern on hq and he was in the middle of producing a show so i was helping with his team and so um i made his first two picks for him with tyreek hill and davante adams and then uh we kind of talked through the deandre sweat pick and so i was like was like, all right, the fourth round, go ahead and make your pick. Just don't screw up what I did for you so far in the first three rounds. And he took Kamara, and he was like, that's a great pick, right? And I said, it absolutely could be. Round four is a very good value for him if he's going to play the majority of the season,

but you've got to worry about the suspension. So if he is going to miss any time, then it's a little risky. So factoring that in, I would'd say i would say judy i would say hopkins and just kind of go back you know you asked dave about the third round i think the third rounds we're going to see most of the quarterbacks start to go you know so you'll probably get at least two of those guys alan and mahomes in round three uh potentially you know maybe you know jalen hurts there too um so you know to see these guys going around four i i think kamara, round four, if he's playing the majority of the season, is a very good value.

If he's missing any time, though, he's going to slip. All right, so as we take a look at the, you can see the rest of the results of the draft on our website, cbssports.com slash fantasy slash football, but let me ask you guys, for me, it was quarterback. Did you find yourself prioritizing any position more now in this January draft than you did back in August when you were drafting for the 2022 season? Did you find yourself

prioritizing any position more now than you did back then? I don't know if I prioritized this, but I wanted to hammer those young wide receivers. And I knew starting, I really want to say starting in round three, and I didn't do it because Godwin isn't a young wide receiver, but I started hammering them. Like in my mind, I was going rounds three through seven, just want to get as many of those young wide outs as I could. And I love my wide receivers. The guys that I got in this draft, thrilled to have them. But that's going to be a focal point for me. Hopefully not so much that I'm going to cost myself going after, like skipping over the Keenan Allens and, at this point, the Chris Godwins in fantasy, the Tyler Locketts,

the guys that are tried-and-true veterans. They've been a long time because I'm chasing the new hotness. But I want a lot of the new hotness because I think there's tons of upside there. How about you, Jay? No, I didn't, I didn't, I actually was going to, going to wait on quarterback to see how it was going to unfold and tight and also,

you know, so I kind of just took the same approach I normally do. And I ended up with, with Deshaun Watson. I did take a second quarterback because Trey Lance was somebody I think is worth taking a shot on as a, as a second one. And I,

I actually took two tight ends also. So I took Dave and theoku and Cole Komet. Komet was a good pick. Thank you. You're welcome. Yeah, just ask Bears GM Ryan Poles. He loves Cole Komet. Oh, he was going gaga.

He was, really. All right, let's take a look. He's got to make somebody in his receiving core look good or sound good. Let's take a look at your teams. I think everybody has a decent idea of how my team played out. I wish I had more catches, but it was Burrow with Chubb and Dobbins, Kelsey

at tight end, who's my first pick. I had Waddle, Lockett, and Jahan Dotson as my three receivers, and then my flex. You know, I did take Darnell Mooney, just because if there's... I like that pick. Yeah, I mean if he had 30% of the team's receiving yards in the first 11 games of the season.

They just had the worst passing offense in football. So if you get that bump like you got with Jalen Hurts with Justin Fields, or even 70% of that bump or something, then Mooney could actually really improve. What round was that, Adam? That was like eight-ish. First pick of round nine. I had actually just queued him up.

First pick of round nine. I just queued him up when you drafted him. Okay, yeah. I think I'd want to target him at least a round later. Maybe I'm just being nitpicky here. You are definitely being nitpicky. He'll tell me that I am. I think the problem is that we don't have rookies

and we don't have free agents decisions yet. A lot of these guys are getting pushed up a little higher than they'll go. Anyway, speed receiver coming off an ACL first year back. I don't know how excited I am. No, it's not an ACL. Is it? What was it? It was an ankle. A foot,

I think. Foot? Yeah, ankle or foot. He's supposed to be ready for OTAs. If it were an ACL, it'd be a different story. I don't believe it was an ACL for Moon. Why did I think it was an ACL? I don't know. Because you hate the Bears, Dave. They've done so much to you.

I was ankle. You're right. I'm sorry. Yeah! That's right. Okay, anyway, let's take a look at Jamie's team here. Okay, he had the third pick of the draft, and you took McCaffrey?

Mm-hmm. Okay. So Jamie's lineup would be Deshaun Watson or Trey Lance, McCaffrey and Cam Akers. Is he loaded at receiver? Yes, pretty good. T. Higgins, Devontae Smith, Christian Kirk, David Njoku at tight end, and your flex is Tyler Algier.

You also have Cole Komet. So you have Brandon Cooks, Cole Komet, Rashad White, Hunter Renfro, Wandale Robinson. So again, the starting lineup is Watson, McCaffrey and Akers, Higgins, Devante Smith and Kirk. That would be the strength of the team. Njoku or Komet and Tyler Algier. And that Algier pick, that's a nice flex there.

So I did a couple things here. I took Rashad White in round 7. He could clearly be the starter for the Bucs if they move on from Leonard Fournette, which is an easy thing you could see happening. So I was very thrilled about that one. He's on my list of cap cuts. I took Renfro with the idea of maybe Tom Brady going through Las Vegas.

And so knowing what he does with his slot receiver, so that was an easy guy to take late. Wanda Robinson, we saw what he was able to do when he was healthy. So, you know, hope, hopefully have the luxury to wait for him.

And then you alluded to this Adam about Brandon cooks. You know, if he ends up with a better quarterback situation on a different team next year to have him as a fourth, fifth type receiver, we, we know what he's capable of. He even showed it at the end of the season,

you know, when he seemed to be a little bit more motivated. Finished the season strong, you know, two of his last three games. So when the targets are there for him, and I think the quarterback play will improve, I think Brandon Cook's going to be a better rebound, a pretty good rebound candidate next season. What did you think?

Even at 30 years old. What do you think about Christian Kirk in general with Calvin Ridley coming back? I'm a little bit more pessimistic about Ridley. Coming off of almost two years of not playing. And so I think he's going to be a significant upgrade over Marvin Jones. He's probably an upgrade over Zay Jones.

I still think Christian Kirk is going to be the number one guy there. The wild card for me in all of this is going to be Evan Ingram if he stays. If Evan Ingram stays, I think he's still going to be a prime target for Trevor Lawrence. So to me, it's still Kirk is the number one guy there, certainly based on his contract situation and what he was able to accomplish this year.

But Ridley, I think, has a chance to be the second guy there if he's right. And I hope he's right. All right, let's take a look at Dave's team, picking fifth overall. Speaking of Ridley. Oh, you have Calvin Ridley. I took Calvin Ridley. I took Calvin Ridley. I did. Ridley me this. You have Mahomes.

Your first pick was Jonathan Taylor, fifth overall. You have Mahomes, Josh Jacobs, and Jonathan Taylor. Sounds like a Dave team, right? Very running back heavy at the beginning there. First two picks. First two picks were running backs, yep. Oh, boy, your wide receivers. Maybe. Maybe.

Maybe. Maybe, maybe. Chris Godwin, Calvin Ridley, George Pickens, and Traylon Burks at Flex. One of them at Flex. Greg Dulcich at tight end. You've got Russell Wilson on the bench. You've got Clyde on the bench. Khalil Herbert,

with David Montgomery being a free agent, Brian Robinson, Zach Ertz, Tyquan Thornton. Your starting lineup again is Mahomes, Taylor, and Jacobs, Godwin, Ridley, Pickens, Dolcich at tight end, and Burks at flex. But that flex could easily be maybe Khalil Herbert or Brian Robinson. But anyway, what do you think of your team? I like it. I mean, I don't love Godwin. We've already talked about that. And I wish I could have made that pick DeAndre Hopkins or Garrett Wilson,

but I'm more optimistic about Calvin Ridley. The fact that he hasn't played in a year and a half, maybe it is. I don't remember how many games he missed. I think he'll end up being just fine, man. He's one of the best route runners in the league, and now he's got a stud quarterback. To me, the issue in Jacksonville isn't necessarily what they do with Evan Ingram. It's what they do at running back. Because if they keep Travis Etienne, I don't see them as a team

that's going to give him the ball. No, they're going to, but if they don't add to him, I don't think this team's going to revolve around the run game too often. I think it's going to revolve around Trevor. And so all the targets in that offense should be good. If Ingram's out, that just makes me like Calvin Ridley even more. And I don't mind Kirk either. I think Ridley will be better.

And I just, I, I love George Pickens, man. I think he's such a talented receiver. I don't think that Steelers offense is necessarily going to become this amazing passing offense, but I think that Pickens can take the leap next year, be their number one wide out. He makes unbelievable contested catches. And I think there's room for Traylon Burks to see a bump,

not necessarily break out and become a stud fantasy receiver, a top 12 type of fantasy receiver. But I think you could end up being a low-end number two fantasy receiver, provided that, A, he stays healthy, and, B, he collects a lot of targets in Tennessee. Again, we're going to see a new offensive coordinator there. There will be some changes made. We'll see how that affects Burks.

Hopefully more positively than ever. It's a receiving corps with a lot of upside. I mean, you know, it's certainly there's a chance. I think, you know, if we knew what Calvin Ridley's shape is, role is, expectations are, you know, and you're talking Godwin is a surefire number one receiver, especially taking him in round three after going, you know, two running backs and Pickens or Berks can take that leap,

then it's, you know, we'll look back on this and say, wow, you really got great picks. But I think Adam's overreaction to it was a little bit too much. I'm surprised you keep taking – or you take – keep taking. Keep taking. In all these drafts we've done. Well, no, just because I know your rankings also, so I guess maybe that's what I'm thinking. What do you think?

Zach Ertz. I don't have any expectations for's what I'm thinking. What do you think? Zach Ertz. I don't have any expectations for him next year at all. What do you mean? I don't think he stays in Arizona. I won't even draft Zach Ertz next year. No? You think it's just over? I feel like we said the same thing this past year,

and he ended up being really good. I liked him this year, especially with Hopkins out. So it was the start of the season I thought he was going to be good. The thing is, coming off an ACL tear at his age in a very uncertain situation, knowing that his, his backup or his replacement was essentially drafted on that team. Right.

And so, no, I think he can move on to a different team. Yeah. I just, I, I think the, the end of the,

the, the line is, is come for him as a fantasy option. Okay. Well, he was my round 13 pick. Dave, who would you rather have?

What combo would you rather have? Lamar Jackson and Keenan Allen or Patrick Mahomes and Traylon Burks? That's a no brainer. Yeah. I mean, if, if I knew that Keenan Allen was going to stay healthy and I felt

good about that. No, I knew a little bit. Well, one's obviously loaded with injury questions with Jackson and Allen. I'm taking Jackson and Allen. Are you?

Yeah. I'm just doing to you what you did to me. Tyler Burke didn't play a whole season either. He didn't, but Patrick Mahomes did, and he was really good. I think it's reasonable. See, Allen was one of the steals of the draft, so maybe I shouldn't have used him,

but this would have been your choice. I mean, you kind of... So then I could have had Keenan Allen and Lamar Jackson instead of... Yeah, like on paper, looking at your team after a draft and all you've got are rose-colored glasses on, I'm sure I'd feel better about Jackson and Keenan Allen. Yeah, I don't know, man. Like I said, Keenan Allen was a steal,

but yeah, you could have taken him. A lot of us could have taken him and we didn't, but, and what was I going to say? Yeah, I was just flipping the script on you because you did that to me with my Burrow pick. It's all good, but these are the questions that help shape our draft philosophy and we're not committed to these teams now.

Are you committed to taking Travis Kelsey number one overall? Definitely not. But you know, one of the things I talked about with Jamie after when he told me he wrote the story was that, you know, when I see drafts that are not the same, you know,

group of 12 to 15 people that rotate in for us basically, or we draft with the same people over and over again and and the people that are the players that are going to be available for for most of our listeners at the two three turn are going to be different than the ones that are available you know if i took travis kelsey number one and i'm drafting with dave and jamie and heath and frank right so you might have you might luck into a much better lineup then it's much more justifiable to take Kelsey. And if you're in a 10 team league, then I think taking Kelsey number one overall

is even more attractive. What I'm saying is, the way our leagues play out won't be the same as the way your leagues play out. If you feel like, if you feel like there's going to be more value because maybe people are reaching for quarterbacks or something like that, then it should give you more of a green light to take whoever the hell you want at number one overall

because your number two and three picks are going to be even better than what you see in our mock drafts. Well, if you just play this out from last year's average draft position, and let's say you were to take Kelsey number one, because a lot of the players are relatively the same. They're just going in different orders. So if you were to take Kelsey number one here,

and then just based on ADP, you're coming back in rounds, the two, three turn you would have, this is just the range of players. So Deandre Swift was 23rd, James Conner, 24th, Javante Williams, 25th, Mark Andrews, 26th, C.D. Lamb, 27, Tyreek Hill, 30, Lamar Jackson was 29. So the quarterbacks would go, again, based on ADP. So Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, those two guys went beforehand, before the 2-3 turn. And then, I'm sorry, and Justin Herbert. So three quarterbacks went before the 2-3 turn.

And another tight end. So that's the caliber of, I don't want to say the novice player, but the non-fantasy analyst that you're dealing with. So you're still looking at potentially a top 7-8 wide receiver may have fallen to you, a top 7-8 running back may have fallen to you, or maybe both, and you have that luxury. Just to wrap up my thoughts on the Kelsey thing, if you look at where he has finished among running backs

and wide receivers over the last six seasons, he has been basically top 12 at both positions every year. But four of the six seasons, he's been closer to 10th. Two of the last three seasons, though, have been real standout seasons for Kelsey. He's finished as a top six-ish

running back and wide receiver. I think to justify him going first overall, he probably has to do that again. If he's more like RB10 or wide receiver 10 instead of RB6 or wide receiver. I think to justify him going first overall, he probably has to do that again. If he's more like RB10 or wide receiver 10 instead of RB6 or wide receiver 6, then you probably, even if you get the big positional advantage, you probably sacrifice too many points

comparing him to, say, Justin Jefferson or whoever you're going to take there. He probably needs to have one of his better seasons, like 2020 or 2022. And I think he can, because I think the absence of Tyreek Hill probably benefited him, and he led the NFL in red zone targets.

But I think you'd have to do that. Is it just that, or is it just the field also has to be that bad? No, I think that even if Mark Andrews has a really good season and there are two great tight ends, I have very— What if there's four? I just don't think that's going to happen. I just don't.

I mean, I've seen enough. I would lean that way, but what if it does happen? I mean, what if we get the Hawkinson full season of what he was able to do in Minnesota? What if we get the George Kittle with Brock Purdy over the final six games of the season? Those things happen along with Andrews bouncing back and Kelsey still Kelsey. And you still have a pretty big advantage over eight other teams in your league.

But you also passed up on one of those guys with the chance to get, or he passed up on a star player with a chance to get one of those guys significantly later. Yeah. Right. But, but you have to sit there on draft day and decide if you think that's going to happen. And I just, I just don't think it's going to happen. And the flip side of that is you get Garrett Wilson, or you get a young player that's going to break out. Oh, yeah. I mean, look at the top wide receivers this year and where they were drafted, St. Brown and Christian Kirk.

Not the top top, but top 12 guys, top 15 guys. Absolutely. All right, I think that's pretty much going to conclude today's show. Late breaking news here. The Bills have activated the practice window for Micah Hyde, their star safety, and wide receiver Jamison Crowder. Don't expect them to play this week, but just like Rashawn Slater, a chance for them to come back at some point in the playoffs,

and that would be big news for them if they can get Micah Hyde in particular back. Thanks for watching and listening, everybody. We've got another show for you tomorrow. We're going to take a look at the playoff games, give you some DFS tips, give you some start to it. A lot of you are doing playoff challenges, those types of things. You can check out Jamie's article about it. But we'll talk about the games and any other news that comes along.

For Dave and Jamie and Thomas, I'm Adam. Have a great day. Talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football Today.