Fantasy Football Today - Mock Draft Review: Rookie Values Plus De'Von Achane, Josh Jacobs, Eagles WRs and More (04/29 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 29, 2026

How have our draft strategies changed since the completion of the NFL Draft (3:00)? Did any position get better or worse? And what impact will the potential A.J. Brown trade to the Patriots have when it comes to Fantasy drafts (8:00)? We've also got some big news and notes (13:00) to get to ... Evaluating our 12-team, 3-WR, PPR mock draft. Let's start with the rookie values and Jeremiyah Love (18:15) in Round 3. How did we feel about this value? One thing is for sure: Josh Jacobs went too late. We then talk about Carnell Tate in Round 5 (23:00) and then move on to a very detailed De'Von Achane discussion (24:15). Did Dave talk himself out of his own draft pick!? ... Values for other rookies (31:40) including Kenyon Sadiq, Makai Lemon and Jordyn Tyson. Is Round 7 the right time for those wide receivers? And then we give you the rookies who went late (41:05) including handcuff running backs, KC Concepcion and more. Finally, we finish with more talk about NFL veterans (44:35). Was Justin Jefferson a reach at the end of Round 1? Why did Jamey draft both Luther Burden and Colston Loveland? Which running back had the better value in the Patriots, Steelers, Panthers, Giants, Bears and Rams backfields? Which WR had the better value for the Cardinals, Packers, 49ers and Jaguars? ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races and he stays on his feet. It's just going to go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Welcome to the show. Happy Wednesday, hump day. It's April 29th, and we are talking about our first mock draft since the NFL draft.

It was a 12-team PPR league, and we'll talk about where the rookies went. Jeremiah Love went in the third round. The next rookie off the board. Take some guesses. Just in your head. Just guess who you think the next one off the board was. You're wrong.

It was Carnell Tate. And then we had a surprise three in terms of rookies being drafted. Anyway, good morning. Heath Cummings. Hey, Adam. Jamie. Looks like the chat's working again. That's cool.

Yeah. Oh, look at this. I mean, Adam is the man. He chose a questionable football team, but he is the man. The chat is working. It's about time. Chat's knowledgeable too. Well, I don't know about that because baseball...

Why don't you read the last one? Adam's team is going to be sneaky good this year, the Giants. I'm not so sure I agree. Oh, starting late again. What will Adam's excuse me? Hangnail or Time of the Month? Oh. Oh, no.

Yeah, not sure why you read that one. Yeah, why? J.B told me to. It's a good lesson that you should have learned about a decade ago. that doing something just because Jamie told you to when you're on the air is a mistake. I don't know if that was a terrible mistake. I don't, yeah, I hope it's not that bad.

To be honest with you, I didn't read it until I clicked on it and read it out loud. That was the first time I wrote. I'm Ron Burgundy. Okay, anyway, we'll get to the draft in a little bit. We have some news and notes for you, fifth year options, a little surprising or revealing fifth year options.

being picked up. Before we do that, though, we'll get to all the results of the draft, but just a quick starter question. Did your draft approach change after the NFL draft in terms of the strategies you were implementing? Did anything change with this rookie crop, Dave? Yes. I'm going to, you're going to accuse me of going back to the old school way of drafting that I came to know and love, but I'm going to do it. I think running back since to be taken a lot sooner than normal this year. I just don't think there's going to be a lot of good running back talent left by the time we get to not even the middle of the draft.

Maybe by the end of round six, you're going to look at the running backs left after that and you might puke on your shoes and that's not good. I think that getting running backs early, just because of how the running backs went in the NFL draft are going to be something that you have to do if you want to feel good about that position, I think this is a bad year to go zero RB. Interesting. Okay. Jamie,

did anything change for you? No. I kind of felt this way, I think, a little bit prior to the NFL draft with some of the drafts we were doing and just sort of looking at how it was going to unfold with the draft class. So, you know, I was a little bit more hopeful, I think, going into the draft that we may get a Mike Washington in a good destination, a Jonah Coleman in a good destination, you know, something like that. And they didn't really land in ideal spots. You know, we got two, I think, starters. One for sure in Jeremiah Love and one potential one. I would consider DeDarion Price and number two running back.

But we didn't get the influx, at least on paper that we thought last year. You know, last year, and it didn't work out this way, a couple of, you know, pockets here and there. You know, RJ Harvey at the end, Trayvion Henderson for a couple of weeks. But it didn't work out. But at least going into it, we thought, oh, wow, okay, maybe the Patriots have their new running back. Maybe the Broncos have their new running back. You know, Gentie was obviously somebody we were drafting. Hampton got hurt.

But this class, you know, just uninspiring by comparison and certainly uninspiring by destination. So I think Dave's right. I think if you can not necessarily like over-prioritize running back, but I think if you, if you come away with your first four rounds getting two running backs in that range, I think you're probably in a good spot. You know, I'm a big proponent of Hero RB. I think that's worked.

It certainly worked well for me. I think it works well overall. this year I'm not opposed to going two running backs earlier. Okay. Heath? Yeah, I think I was kind of in the three running backs and three wide receivers in the first six rounds before the draft, and that's kind of how I feel now. It feels like wide receiver in round seven and eight might be a little better

than what it looked like a month ago. I think those top three rookie wide receivers are all going to go in that round seven or eight range now, maybe six in some drafts. And so that gives us a little bit more depth than then we had at the wide receiver position. But it's still probably, I mean, I'm always going to just kind of to a certain extent take what the draft gives me. Yeah.

But there's running backs in round five and six that I'm perfectly fine with as starters. So if I end up with three wide receivers early and then take three running backs, I'm fine with that. Running backs in rounds five and six that you're fine with as starters. the round five running backs were Travion Henderson, Cam Scadaboo, Quintan Judkins, DeAndre Swift, Bejel Tootin. Round six was David Montgomery, Judarian Price, Jalen Warren, Tony Pollard, Chuba Hubbard. So Dave, when you look at that group, Trayvion, Scadaboo, Judkin, Swift, Tutan, Montgomery, Price, Warren, Pollard, Chuba Hubbard. Are you comfortable with that group?

You just don't want to go any deeper, you know, beyond that to start getting your running backs? Yeah, I agree with Heath. I think those are running backs that are fine as starters to begin the year. I think a couple of those guys might end up going a lot sooner than round five by the time we get to August. And that's really about it. Did you name the round seven running backs? No, that was five and six. Round seven, yeah, there's a drop off for sure.

RJ Harvey, Ramandre Stevenson, then Rico Dowdell in round eight, Kenneth Gainwell. So that's six rounds basically of not every running back. because I can't sit here and say that Trayvion Henderson's going to be a good starter for you. Nope. You know, I don't know the status of Scataboo and Judkins right now, but round five and six running backs are not bad. Round seven and beyond gets a little dicey. Obviously, there could be some exceptions in there. That's the way this draft played out.

This was a 12-team, three-receiver full PPR league with a flex as well. And I would just say the thing that changed, it didn't change for me in terms of my draft. It almost did. I almost drafted AJ Brown. but just looking at the landscape a little bit, once A.J. Brown gets traded to the Patriots, I think it's better. I think we obviously have a better receiver for the Patriots.

Sure, it's going to hurt Romeo Dobbs, but whatever, but it's going to help A.J. Brown. It's going to help Devante Smith, and I think it's going to help McI. Lemon, too. And maybe Dallas Goddard. I think an A.J. Brown to the Patriots, it's going to help Drake Bay. I think an A.J. Brown to the Patriots trade is pretty good for fantasy, makes our draft board a little bit stronger.

I did a little friendship strategy with both those guys. I saw that. I saw that. How do you feel? Well, you know what? I was, I'll ask you that later. It's in my notes. I'm going to see how you felt about.

Wait, which guys did you do the friendship strategy with? With A.J. Brown and Romeo does. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you meant you also did it with Colston, Loveland, and Luther Burdon. Jamie's just, he's a friend to everyone these days. When you. When it comes to picking comments. I'm struggling with the

because we're kind of just all working on the assumption that AJ Brown's going to be on the Patriots. Yeah. Be a little weird at this point if he wasn't. When you say it's better for him to go to New England, like how high are you thinking you're going to draft him because he's been a top 12 wide receiver per game pretty much every year in Philadelphia.

Yeah, at 211, I was on the clock and was strongly considering him. Jamie took him at 212. So I think right around there. And honestly, wouldn't surprise me which is later than where he was being drafted last year, right? Yeah. But it's not later than where he was being drafted in our mock drafts

when we thought he was more likely to stay on Philadelphia. I think people were down on him. I think he has more upside on New England than he does on Philadelphia. Yep. Do you? I'm not entirely sure. I understand the narrative of why that is. Like everybody's in the mode of question.

Jalen Hertz right now and everybody's excited about Drake May being one of the top two quarterbacks in the NFL and so that makes sense but I think it's still probably a low volume pass offense and it's still a team I think most likely the Patriots are going to be have less concentrated targets than the Eagles have when AJ Brown's been there I just kind of view him as the same as he would be with the Eagles this year essentially You know, so same draft range. I think the range of outcomes is different, you know, so I do think if they are going to be as aggressive as they have to be to get him with whatever draft capital, they have to give up. Like, this is Josh Allen getting Stefan Dix. This is, you know, I'm trying to think of the other recent examples of, you know, young quarterback. Here's a recent one. Donovan McNabb getting Terrell Owens. Exactly.

You know, that type of situation. So any time that these teams are getting aggressive to go get a player like this, it obviously is to take a team that went to the Super Bowl and get them better, but I think it's also to make their young quarterback better. And so, you know, yes, Heath, it's probably more concentrated targets, but this could also be their version of Brown and Smith is Brown and Dobbs. And hopefully that's, you know, going to make Drake May better and obviously keep A.J. Brown playing at high level.

I do agree with you, though, like this. the narrative that he's going to struggle or would struggle in Philadelphia is a little overblown. Our buddy, you know, who comes on our show a lot, Jake Sealy, I happen to see on Twitter on X. He posted a whole slew of clips of Jalen Hertz throwing to A.J. Brown over the middle and how it's just a little bit of an overblown narrative that he can't do it and won't do it. So that's a good thing from McCoy Lemon as well. But obviously, I think you just look at A.J. Brown and just say, okay, he's got top 10 upside. he's maybe slips into that 15 to 20 range if things go poorly,

but you're drafting him as a borderline number one receiver, which is what I did anyway. I was perfectly fine. Okay. And that's just one more note on that, because Jeff Stoutland, their former offensive line coach, went on the Kelsey Brothers podcast,

and they asked him what went wrong with the Eagles. And he said, I think any time things don't go well, and I don't want to sound like I'm in an interview, but it's the truth. it's execution. It's calling the right play at the right time and not running bad plays

into bad defenses. I mean, it ain't that hard. I'm not going to sit here and make up all these. That's pretty much it. So, talk about the play calling. So, hopefully. Put it all on Kevin Petula.

A little bit. All right. Enough about the Eagles. Let's get to this mock draft in a bit. By the way, if you, I don't even know who won the draft contest. Thomas has been out. But as soon as he comes back,

which I think might be tomorrow. We'll let you know who won the NFL draft contest and who's in the podcast league. So if you've been waiting for that, we'll let you know shortly, hopefully tomorrow. News and notes, the Jets are considering signing Russell Wilson to back up Gino Smith. The Lions picked up Jemir Gibbs's fifth year option. The charge, that's not a surprise. The Chargers, Dave, though, they picked up Quentin Johnson's fifth year option.

That's going to pay him about $18 million next year. So that's a nice little vote of confidence for Quentin Johnson, isn't it? It is. And I'm sure they love his speed and the other things. that he can do. We all got a taste of what that upside is for QJ in the first four games last year. He still wasn't a total train wreck after those first four games. I think he averaged right around 11 ppr points per game.

That's a good bench receiver, one of about 30 of them that you'll be able to draft this year. Okay. Carolina running back Jonathan Brooks says he feels 100%. He's got two ACL tears in recent seasons. That's exciting. It is exciting. Dave took Jonathan Brooks in... Round 13.

Yeah. So one of my questions... He will not go in round 13 again. All right, better value. Jonathan Brooks in round 13 or Chuba Hubbard with the last pick of round 12? Chuba Hubbard did not go with the last pick in round 12. Round six. I would say Jonathan Brooks.

I would lean Brooks, but I think that's... I think Brooks would probably go closer to round 9, 10, and Chuba's going to go in that spot. Okay. Back to the news and notes. Bo Nix had a second ankle surgery. So his process a little bit delayed here, but he's still expected to be ready for training camp. The Steelers put an unrestricted free agent tender on Aaron Rogers.

This will help them get a compensatory pick if he does not come back. We still expect him to come back to the Steelers. And the Rams apparently had a secret meeting with Ty Simpson. John Breach wrote a good article about this on our website, cbsports.com. So we saw the post draft press conference where Sean McVeigh looked like very angry about the Simpson draft pick. But the reporting indicates that wasn't really the case, that maybe he was just trying to protect Matthew Stafford a little bit. And they met with Simpson. They met with his family during the Rose Bowl and gave them an indication that they were going to take Simpson in the first round.

Because Simpson had a big NIL offer from the Miami Hurricanes, $6.5 million, reportedly, to stay another year. he wanted to make sure he was going to be a first round pick. So the Rams gave him that indication during the college football season that, you know, toward the end, that he was going to be a first round pick. And then they had a secret meeting with the Rams. The Rams don't, Sean McVeigh never goes to the Combine. And the Rams don't do top 30 visits. They don't bring people in because you have to report that. But they had a meeting with Ty Simpson and you don't have to report that if you go to a player to a prospect, you know, and meet with him.

So they kept it a secret. They kept it under wraps and they drafted him 13th. And I think from a dynasty standpoint, if you believe that narrative, that they actually really did want him. And McVeigh wasn't that angry about it. I think it might give you a little more confidence in drafting Simpson as a stash. Well, I think Les Need has a relationship with Simpson's dad. So that's part of it too.

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Please sit and enjoy. Please sit and stretch. Steep. Flip. or that and enjoy via rail love the way welcome back so let's go through where the rookies went in this draft but honestly we've talked a lot about these rookies in their draft value for the last week so i've got some other questions about NFL veterans that i don't feel like we've talked enough about yeah adam the thing you asked to be changed is changed love it all right uh we're trying to

change something in the draft room. Oh, there you go. There's the sound of the sleeper draft room. Trying to change something in the draft room. That's why I waited a little bit longer than I wanted to to get into this draft, but it has changed, and we are good to go. Okay, 12 teams, 1 QB, 2 running backs, 3 receivers, 1 flex, tight end, I believe 6 bench spots, and full PPR.

So here are where the rookies went. Jeremiah Love went with the fourth pick of round 3. He was RB 13 after Omari and Hampton, Sequan Barclay and Ken Walker. Heath, how do you feel about that? Jeremiah Love Pick. That's almost exactly where I have him. Maybe a spot or two higher. But just about right for me and probably a round lower than he's going to be drafted in August.

Okay. Everybody's going to get really excited about him. The next running backs were Chavez E.T.N. or Jacobs, Irving. And one of my questions... I would rather have Jacobs. Yeah. One of my questions is why did Josh Jacobs last so long? I wonder if we should integrate these questions in with the rookies or just...

Partially, he lasted so long because you took Ken Walker over him. Which was a tough call for me. No doubt. And I took Amarian Hampton over him, too. Josh... Dave, where should Josh Jacobs go? Round two. You can't forget about how the first half of last year went and what.

But that, and that should be close to the expectation for Jacobs. When he's the lead workhorse, he's getting over 20 touches per game. He's averaging close to 20 PPR points per game. That's the ceiling. That's the upside. That's where you draft players. If you're expecting that, you draft him in round one, not round two. We're getting them in round two.

And it's because of the possible limitations related to injury, related to the Packers offensive line, maybe the offense in general. But this is a Packers team that thinned out its receiving core and should keep Jacobs in a big prominent role. He's 28 years old this year. That's not too old for a running back. I think round two is a very safe spot for Josh Jacobs to go. And certainly the back half of round two.

So Jamie and I took three running backs with Jacobs on the board. We took Hampton, Barclay, and Ken Walker. Did we mess up, Heath? I think I know I'm going to have Hampton. I have Hampton head of Jacobs. I know I have Jacobs ahead. of Walker and Barclay is just right there in the same in the same vicinity I wouldn't say that's messing up I think that's just a coin flip between those two but I think the only one that I saw

that and then I thought the other thing I saw was with Dave taking Chase Brown in the middle of round two I'm not sure that I see a huge difference between Chase Brown and Josh Jacobs there's a little difference but they both have the upside to score 20 fantasy points per game if everything goes right. And so I wonder if Dave seeing Jacobs fall past his third round pick makes him think he could have taken Sam one different in round two. I didn't know who I should have taken instead of Chase Brown. It was down to Brown or Pickens for me.

And if I'm playing the game of, well, there's only one wide receiver that I like and there's like six running backs that I like, I should just take the one wide receiver supply and demand. But I didn't do that. There was one running back that I thought was head and show. holders above the rest. That was Chase Brown. His, I think his floor is higher than Jacobs and his ceiling is just as high as Jacobs still really love getting pieces of that Bengals offense.

And he showed us last year when he was playing with Burrow. He was getting a lot of touches and he scored a ton of fantasy points. I don't think the Bengals did much of anything to change their running back room or philosophy on how they might use Chase Brown. I'm very excited about Chase Brown this year. And I would take him ahead of Jacobs. I would take him ahead of Hampton. I would take him ahead of Jeremiah Love.

I think he's a borderline first round pick. But if you can get him in round two, I think you're winning big time. Chase Brown. I would have taken him ahead of your first round pick. Ooh. I was going to make a joke about that. Dave took A. Chan sixth overall and Chase Brown in the middle of round two.

Chase Brown from weeks 9 through 17 in 2024. That was when he became the starter. Zach Moss was moved out of the picture. he averaged 20.6 ppr fantasy points per game. And then weeks 13 through 18 last year, that's when Joe Burrow returned. Chase Brown averaged 22.3 ppr fantasy points per game. So that's probably about 12 or 13 games.

Yeah. That's a hell of good ceiling. That's QB1 ceiling for a running back. Yeah, RB1, yeah. Okay, so moving on, back to the draft and the rookies. Carnell Tate pick 5.3, round 5 pick 3. That's wide receiver 27 just after Jamie took Luther Burden and I took DJ Moore. So then Luther, then as a Luther burden, DJ Moore, Carnell Tate.

Those were the three wide receivers basically at the beginning of round five. Then Xavier Worthy, Terry McLaurin, Romo Dunzee were the next three receivers off the board. Jamie, do you think that's a good spot for Carnell Tate? third pick of round five wide receiver 27 overall yeah it's a little earlier than i would take him but it's the range you know so you're talking about high end you know number three wide receiver you know once you start to get past this group of guys you know i i think he belongs after these guys uh for me at least so you know you can you can argue you know tate versus mccloren i'd rather have mcclorn tate versus o'd rather have o dunzae i'd rather have him than metcalfe i'd rather have

than Tate, you know. So it's just that range of wide receivers. But I think anytime you start to, first off, it's first draft we've done, you know, post-NFL draft. So it's, you know, kind of a feeling out process of when these guys are going to come off the board. So it's, you know, if, you know, gamer Eric, who's one of our, you know, most dedicated podcast listeners and, you know, stream followers, always in the chat. Gamer who?

Eric. There you go. Thank you. Um, you know, if he, if we do this draft again and he's like, oh, I could have maybe got McClor in here. I could have gotten, you know, somebody else there. Maybe he waits around and gets him, you know, again, you know, similar to like what, what I would have done with Dave's draft.

I would have flipped the two here in terms of Tate and Christian Watson. Okay. Well, the thing is you're talking about flipping A-chan and Chase Brown. Jamie? Yes. Yeah, but the thing, you're not, no one's going to get Devon A-chan in the middle of round two. Well, that's his ADP. No way.

Really? I haven't seen him go that late. Is ADP or his consensus rank? Oh, maybe it's his consensus rank. Either way, that's pretty surprising. And I get it. He's a big for me. Yeah, I get it. Totally get it.

I still think he's going to be, who else is going to get the ball in Miami? And it's almost the same theory that I have for Jeremiah love that I have for Achan. Just talent will win out and will earn opportunities. But at least in Miami, there isn't much. for Malik Willis to throw two there. And so I think A. Chan's going to end up, he's not going to average five targets per game like he did last year. Even if that comes down to three, that's still going to be a pretty good fantasy running back. I think he can get around 18 ppr points per game.

And with that type of profile, that's still a first round pick. Yeah, I would take the under just given how crappy this offense might be. And I don't think Willis will throw to him to the same level that Tua did. We saw that when Tua left. I agree. That's why I'm thinking three targets per game instead of five. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I think that's realistic. That's it. That's it.

Are you kidding? Jamie's right on this. No, you're both wrong. Three targets per game, that's nothing. That's nothing. I'm not sure that we can totally know with a new offensive system and a new quarterback. But what I can say is if it's three targets per game, then I am not taking him in the middle of round one. And I might not take him in the middle of round two.

Yeah, I'm sorry, Jamie. I totally stepped on your toes there. but I was just incensed by three targets per game. What were you saying? I just think it's going to be a crappy situation. So this also feels like you know, you never want to project this out. But like he's a potential shutdown candidate

toward the end of the season. Like, you know, they're clearly in tank mode. And so if they get to a point where, you know, he's still producing and they want to lose games, he gets his contract by that point. He's sitting. This is Devon H& we're talking about here. The Dolphins, by the way,

they are going to have a bad offense, we think. They were 25th in scoring last year, I guess, tied for 24th. Yeah, right. So it's not like they were that good. Exactly. But they could be worse. You're ready to be worse. It could be worse.

Right. So if you're interested in the track record, and this will make you a squeamish on A. Chan, Malik Willis's target rate to running backs in his career was 13.1% and it was 9.1% in college. So not great. Quarterbacks under Bobby Sloak in Houston, that's basically C.J. Stroud for the first couple of years, 16%. target rate to running backs. So you have to bake in a much lower receiving workload for A. Chan.

And how many, how many, I might be talking myself out of A. Chan here. How many total touchdowns did you have last year? A. Chan had six rushing, six receiving. Okay. And so we're already discounting his receiving numbers. If he has eight total touchdowns and he's not going to have 488 receiving yards, Yeah, I think I'm realizing right here. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I was looking at the wrong year. He had, oh, he had 12. He had eight rushing and four receiving. So he had 12, but different different styles. But let's knock that down to eight total. No. Jamie, what are we doing? Killing him.

Well, but this is realistic at this point because I think the rushing scores will be there. It's the receiving workload. He had almost 500 receiving yards last year. And I think that number is going to come down. I think the rushing average will probably be a little bit lower. And so if all these numbers are going to come down, why the hell am I taking him in the first round? I was going to say like the longer Dave talks,

the more. Yeah, I'm talking myself out of this. Like, he's going to be in round three by the time Dave finishes. Malik Willis is, Malik Willis's R.B. Target rate with the Green Bay Packers, with Josh Jacobs as their pass catcher, basically, versus what he's going to be on the dolphins with no wide.

receivers to speak of essentially is to me completely irrelevant. He's not going to throw that much. I get that. But I mean, like three targets per game is 51. What's that? Is that right? 51 targets for the year. Obviously, he's going to have more targets than that.

It's got to be four or five targets per game for Devon A. Chan. He's probably going to leave the team in receiving. So, or very possible anyway. That might be a stretch. But he's going to be up there. I don't know. I'm just saying what happened on Green Bay. We're going to have to sit down and figure this out.

And you know what? He is in our backyard. So there's no excuses for us. We're going to have to be at Dolphins camp and put our year to the ground on this stuff. I'm just saying what happened in Green Bay stays in Green Bay doesn't, to me, it doesn't really influence. Well, yeah, because it's a different offensive coordinator, but just a similar type of like system conceptually. Like it's both West Coast stuff. I don't think Willis is as good of a thrower.

as other quarterback, like as Jordan Love as an example. He's certainly more of a runner. That's going to hurt Devine A Chan. I actually think I should take a step back on the rushing average going down because usually running backs with mobile quarterbacks see an efficiency spike. They're seeing 15 men in the box, though. It's just going to be terrible. Yeah, A Chan's beating that before, though, man.

Like this, this. Adam said it. He's beaten that with Mike McDaniel calling plays. I mean, he did a last year and Tyree wasn't on the field last year. Losing McDaniel is a huge deal. And slow extract record suggests that he may not lean into A-chan as a receiver as much as McDaniel did. And Willis doesn't necessarily, when he's panicked, like Tua was panicked, what did Tua do when he panicked?

He got the ball out as fast as he could to the closest teammate to him. Good chunk of the time, that was Devon A-chan. I don't know if Malik Willis is going to do that because Malik Moolis might run instead. So I think there's reason to revisit Devon A-chan as a top six pick. Yeah, I agree. I don't know if I would have taken. Johnny and Eric are on fire right now. Listen, I agree that I've been making the case for H.N.

I wouldn't take him seven. I wouldn't take him six. But I think you just basically just buried his fantasy value a little bit too much. I wish I had, I wish we had podcasts yesterday and talked about him yesterday. So I could have known this before we went into our first mock. Yeah, right. It's working out. Okay.

The next, so the first two rookies were Jeremiah Love at the fourth pick of round three. Carnell Tate, third pick of round five. Then we had Kenyon Sadiq as tight end six with the six pick of round six. We think that is too early for Kenyon Sadiq. Way too early. Maybe a full draft too early. Jadarian Price, no. He should get drafted, but that's too early.

Jadarian Price was the next pick, though. He was 6.7. Judarian Price, Seattle running back, last pick of round one in the NFL draft. Seventh pick of round six in fantasy. fantasy drafts. RB 26 in between David Montgomery and Jalen Warren. Heath, quick thoughts on Derrion Price. That seems just about right to me.

I think this range of the kind of the last starting running backs or the guys we hope are the last starting running backs is exactly how I feel about Gerardian Price. And I would prefer him to Tate. So like amongst the rookies, maybe he went a little later. And I also prefer him to Kenyon Zadik. But I think that amongst the running backs, this is just about right. Okay. Next two picks, we'll look at round seven.

We have Mackay Lemon at 7.2 and Jordan Tyson 7.9. Mackay Lemon was wide receiver 34. He went just after Marvin Harrison, Jr. And right before Brian Thomas Jr. So McCai Lemon second pick of round seven at wide receiver 34. And Jordan Tyson, three receivers after that. It went. Lemon, then Harold Fanon, R.J. Harvey,

Brian Thomas Jr., Alec Pierce, Dak Prescott, Ramandre Stevenson, Jordan Tyson. I took Lemon, and at that point, I had Jamar Chase, Mike Evans, and DJ Moore. I can't remember who I was deciding. I certainly wasn't going to take Brian Thomas Jr. or Alec Pierce there. I don't think Pierce is a bad pick, just not for me.

Oh, I was deciding between him and Fanon, I think, because I didn't have a tight end. I went with Lemon just because I wanted, like, have Mike Evans, you know, DJ more. I wanted a young, exciting player, basically, that, yeah, look, this pick could be a total bust. That's okay, I think, in round seven. But I think Lemon, assuming the A.J. Brown trade happens. I love him. I just happen to really love him.

Dave has him as his number one wide receiver. I agree. Well, you know, pre-draft, pre-draft. I mean, I just love what he can do. I'm excited for him. So this was a pick that maybe I'll hit a home. run with it. I went with Lemon there. Jamie, your thoughts on Lemon and Tyson in round seven. I think given your roster build, it's perfect because you have your alpha, obviously, in Jamar Chase.

You waited on quarterback and tight end. So these were kind of luxury picks for you. And then I think just doing the, you know, the, I don't want to say a smart thing, but to me, I think it was a great pick. And I was actually hoping Godin would fall one more spot. So, you know, you have now five really good receivers in my mind. You know, so Chase and then two, you know, what I would say, number two receivers in Evans and more. And now lemons in the flex, you know, range for you. And now Godwin also, you know, sort of gives you that luxury as well. So I think you're running back in a wide receiver group is really strong. Tyson is also, you know, I think a good spot for him, you know, just looking at hopefully Tyler Shuck supporting two wide receivers.

We didn't have, we didn't see him do that last year because they traded Rashid Chihed almost at the time that Shuck took over the starting job. and the rest of the receiving core there was obviously pretty, you know, barren. But I think we saw with Joanne Johnson, if you want to sort of make that, you know, sort of correlation of can he support two targets? He did that at a decent level. So I think this is the right range for both those guys. I think it's the right range for Limmon. I did, and I don't, I think the one thing I disagree with what Jamie said is it was the right

pick for your team because I know that you're kind of, you're like really emphasizing this greater late thing that you're trying to. to steal from Jamie. But I don't think I like taking Mike Evans over Colston Loveland, taking DJ Moore over Tyler Warren, and then taking Mackay Limon over Harold Fanon, Laporta, and Pitts. It feels like this draft tried to gift you one of the tier two tight ends, like later than they normally get picked, and you just kept refusing so that you could draft hopefully wide receiver twos, but probably wide receiver threes.

Yeah, well, I got a couple of exciting young tight ends late. I got George Kittle and Travis Kelsey. We'll see if they could break out this year. I think I would like your team a lot better if just one of those times when you took those wide receivers in rounds four through seven, you would have taken one of the tight ends that you could be excited about. Fair enough. Don't listen to them, madam. I like what you did.

And even though they're old and combined, they might have like one good leg between them. You will be able to cobble together something solid given the tight ends that you have and that you took them with late picks. I don't have one problem with it whatsoever. And I don't, I think, I think you did take lemon a little too soon, but I don't know if he would have made it back to you. Kelsey was actually, I think he was a top five tight end, almost positive.

He was. He was. With Mahomes. And some of that was without Rishie Rice. but some of it was with Rishi Rice. So it didn't really affect him. So, you know. It's one of the biggest deals of the draft, in my opinion.

Really? Was around 12, second and last pick of round. I actually really liked your Tony Poller pick. So I thought those were two really, I wasn't trying to be all negative. No, I just. Look, I think it's a great question because basically I, I didn't take those tight ends. Now, Loveland, obviously, I was drafting starters at that point, but Fanon and I'm drafting bench players. I'm drafting a bench player before I take Harold Fandon.

Well, I guess Lemon could have been a flex, but I'm drafting depth. So it's a good point. It's a good question. How do you want to do it? I will say in a two-receiver league, I would have taken one of those tight ends. Three-receiver league, I wait a little bit longer. And we're going to take a break and go through the rest of the rookies. After those picks, Tyson, Lemon and Tyson in round seven, I don't think we had another rookie

until round 10. And we're talking about backup running backs and things like that. We'll be right back on fantasy football today. One of my favorite things, we have a chat on YouTube, and some of us have sort of admin abilities where we can put a star next to our favorite comments. One of those people was Heath.

Only one comment has been starred. It was from Soda Pop, and he said, Heath killed this draft, in my opinion. So, yeah, good job. And he also said... I want to make sure everybody saw that one. Jamie, who of our chat was in the draft with us? Johnny Airport.

and Gamer Eric and then Bradley Cernett, who I don't think is necessarily, I might be mistaken, because who knows what name he uses, but he's not an active, as far as I know, a member of the YouTube chat, but he was one of the winners of the leftover release. Oh, okay, cool. It's good to have those guys. And those three have been, you know, I appreciate it. They've been participating in a lot of our mock drafts this last season. Jamie, is it fair to say that if you become a regular in our chat, you'll have a better chance

to participate in one of our mcks down the last. the line. Yeah, yeah. You know, certainly the, I haven't spoken to Adam about this, but I think the two losers of our contest, right, we had a draft contest. We had a March Madness contest. I'll let them be in the leftover leagues that we do in August. So what do you mean? Runner up? The runner ups, yeah. Oh, okay. Because there are a lot of losers in the draft contest. There's like 900 of them. I should have verified. Oh, Bradley said he's here. So if you want to highlight Oh, Brad. All right.

Brad Kernett. Thank you for drafting pick 12th in this draft. Took James Cook and Drake London at the turn. All right, back to the rookies here. So, yeah, Mike, I think I'm pretty much done with this conversation, but you can give a final thought. Mike Washington, everything is round 10 or later. Mike Washington, Jonah Coleman.

Washington's on the Raiders. Coleman, the new Broncos running back. He went in the 11th round. Where did Dobbins go? I know Harvey went in the sixth or seventh round for Harvey. Anyone see Dobbins? Yeah, there he is. Ninth round for J.K. Dobbins, almost the 10th.

And then Jonah Coleman in the 11th round. Casey Concepcion, 11th round, Brennan Thompson, Omar Cooper Jr., Dave, those three wide receivers all went in round 11, Antonio Williams in round 12, Denzo Boston, round 12. So any good values here, bad values? I think Concepciona is a good value.

That's why I took him. I think he's, especially in full PPR, I think he's got a shot to lead the Browns and targets catches yards touchdowns. He's a really good route runner. He's got great speed. And this is a brown team that's probably going to be trailing or competitive in a lot of games. I know they added Denzel Boston. He'll get his targets.

And then Harold Fan will get his two. Will all three of them kind of cannibalize each other? Maybe to a degree. But I just think the way that Concepcion can be used in this offense where he can catch screens, he can catch slants, all those short throws. and then also still work deep just like Denzel Boston. To me, I think Fanon and Concepcion will compete to be the target leaders in Cleveland. And I know the quarterbacks aren't great, but if you're asking Shadur Sanders or Deshaun Watson to complete a bunch of short throws, yeah, give it to the guys that can make plays after the catch.

That's basically Fanon and Concepcion. Getting them in around 11, that's real cheap with a lot of upside to get a lot of catches. I think the running backs that were taken later, were interesting just because there's so much handcuffed potential for these guys. There's no starting spots for these guys, but handcuffed potentials. And then, you know, could we see Jonah Coleman carve out a role in Denver? I think he referenced on Monday show the athletic report about maybe him taking some goal line work. And then we know Dobbins with his injury.

So that could be something to keep an eye on there. Ketron Allen in Washington, you know, in that sort of, you know, vague backfield that we're looking at now with, you know, cross-de-merit, who draft capital. surprisingly favors Alan, as bad as that is. Rashad White being more of a past catching back. Jerome Ford, you know, Jeremy McNichols, just a lot of, you know, potential for him to maybe come in if he has a good camp and steal the job.

Not that that's going to lead to maybe a ton of touches, but at least an opportunity. So there are some of these guys that were, you know, late-round flyers. I think Emmett Johnson probably ends up as the handcuff for Ken Walker. I would probably lean toward him over Richard Smith at this point. And then, you know, Mike Washington, you're waiting on an injury,

but if that injury occurs, you know, that could be a great situation for him in Las Vegas. Sure. And that's it for the draft. Well, at least for the rookies.

Let's go to some other questions about some veterans. Talked about Josh Jacobs, talked about A-chan. So I've got the... What's that? We're talking about A-chan? A little bit.

We can get back into it. All right, we got the reachometer. I'm going to give you five wide receivers who went late round one into round two. Let me scroll up here on our draft board.

All right. And you tell me on the reachometer, how big of a reach was it? Zero to 10. Zero, not a reach at all. 10 is huge reach. Stupid pick, you suck. Justin Jefferson, 11th overall.

Not a reach. Two. Four. Wow, I was thinking six, seven. Where's he going with Disney? I was actually, I thought six at one point. So you were reading my mind, but I'm going four. I mean, we heard you going,

there was a snake in Heath's house. There's a snake in Heath's house. All right, Justin Jefferson is anywhere from a zero to a four on the reachometer at 11th overall. Drake London, 13th overall. Zero. Not a reach. Negative one. Rishie Rice, 15th overall.

Not reach. Negative one. Malik neighbor's 16th overall. Seven. I was going to pay two or three, but. Six. Heath was going to say two or three. Yeah.

Jamie thinks because of the injury, I assume, Malik neighbors, is a big reach. There's a reach at 16th overall. Nico Collins, 17th overall. Three. One. Okay. Two.

Next question. Better value assuming a trade to the Patriots. A.J. Brown, 25th overall, or Devonte? Smith 38th overall. Brown. Smith. I'll go Smith. Okay, Smith team.

Dave, you want to start? Let's expand on this. Better value, AJ Brown 25th or Devante Smith 38th overall? Dave and Heath said Devante Smith. Jamie said Brown. Let's talk about it, Dave. Smith has a glowing track record of fantasy production when one of Brown or Goddard are off the field.

If we're taking Brown off the field and replacing them primarily with Mackay Lemon and maybe a little bit of Hollywood Brown and Don Tavian Wicks while Dallas Goddard's still there. I like his chances to average north of 15 PPR points per game with some smash weeks. Heath Cummings. I don't really have. I mean, I think these guys are both being taken right about where they should be. So I said Smith because he went later.

I agree with that. I think this is the right spots for both of these guys. I just think Dave, the second part of what Dave said, Smith, without AJ Brown and nothing else, if you said that they did not draft McCoy Lemon. in a 20th overall, that they did not draft Delice Dioz, that they did not sign Marquis Brown, that they did not trade for Dante Vian Wicks. There's a lot of mouths to feed here. You know, so.

Yeah. They're not going to be fed the same way, though. AJ, yeah, but there's just more opportunities for other guys to take the AJ Brown targets, not necessarily them going to Devante Smith, whereas when Brown was absent or Goddard was absent and there were, you know, nothing of significance behind those guys, it was all Devante Smith. So I think there's plenty of reason to be optimistic for, And I think he said it best.

This is the range for him to go. But A.J. Brown now stepping into what could be this amazing opportunity where it's Romeo Dobbs and Matt Collins and, you know, guys that have not been very productive where there hasn't been a Devante Smith or, you know, you can maybe make the, you can sort of equate, you know, Dallas Goddard and Hunter Henry. I think that's fair comp. But yes, like this could be the situation we were seeing from A.J. Brown when he first got to Philadelphia and just getting spoon fed targets.

I will say that I said earlier, I think A.J. Brown's going to be in a less concentrated target tree than what he was in Philadelphia. I think Devante Smith is also. I think this offense will probably spread the ball around a little more than the Eagles have in the past. If they don't, and that was more of a Jalen Hertz thing, then we're too low on Devante Smith.

He could be right in that A.J. Brown range. And we're too low on McIllumman. Maybe, but yeah, or Dallas God, or, I don't know what Gawler brings to the table at this point. He had a good year last year, but so much it was touchdowns. But this is,

I like to double check this because it was kind of, it was kind of difficult to go through all the game logs. But from what I've, from what I gathered, Devante Smith in the last four years, has played exactly 17 games without Dallas Goddard, maybe with God and also including games or Goddard

left really early with an injury, but with A.J. Brown. So this is just removing Goddard. This is not even removing A.J. Brown, who has had a huge target share. And in those 17 games, Devante Smith has averaged 17.1 PPR fantasy points per game, which is awesome. That's, you know, last year that would have been wide receiver 6. The year before that, it would have been wide receiver 12. But that's 17 games with Brown and without Goddard.

Now, three games with Goddard and without Brown. There's only been three of those, I believe. he had 10, 10, and 9 targets in those games. That's without A.J. Brown, and he scored 20.6, 14.9, and 14.4 PPR fantasy points in those three games. Those numbers, if they're right, and if they're wrong, they're probably just a little wrong, then he's an amazing pick in round five. Or is it four? Was it round four?

Four. He's an amazing pick around three. Yeah. So. Amazing is doing a lot of work there. 17 points per game in round three? Yeah, but that's the ceiling. He could very easily have around 14, which is good for round three. Listen, I think he's a,

I think he's safe. I think he's got a solid floor. It's weird to say, could he break out in his age 27 season when we all know who he is? I think it's possible he could have his best year ever. And that's what makes him appealing as a late round three into round four type of selection.

Okay. Okay. Next up, which position is stronger in round four of the draft that we just did? Running back or wide receiver? There were only three running backs taken, but they were Kyron Williams, Brees Hall, and Giovante Williams. A couple of Williams and Breece Hall. Kyren, Breece Hall, Javante, Javante. Those are your running backs. Here are your wide receivers. Devante Smith, Ladd-McConkey, Jameson, Jalen Waddle, Garrett Wilson, Devante Adams, Mike Evans, and Luther Burden. Devante Smith, Lab McConkey, James, Jamison Williams, Jalen Waddle, Garrett Wilson, Devante Adams, Mike Evans, and Luther Burden.

Is that stronger than Kyron Williams, Breece Hall, and Giovante Williams? Heath, what do you say? Well, there's more wide receivers, so I think that helps their case. No, I think it's such a mixed, like for me at least, there's a pretty decent size gap between Kyron Williams and Javante Williams. There's a pretty big size gap between Devonte Smith and Devante Adams. So I think it's like some of these guys just went in a different order than I would like. But I think if I had to choose my favorite top two, it'd probably be the two running backs in Kyron Williams and Breeshold. Okay.

Interesting. And Jamie, your thoughts. Kyron Williams, Breeshall, Javante Williams, or this big group of wide receivers? What do you think is stronger in round four? Yeah, I definitely agree with Heath. I think it's the running backs. I think the only receivers who actually belong in round four would be Devante Smith. Garrett Wilson and Luther Bird.

I think the other receivers are round five picks. I think you make a case, Kairn Williams, a round three pick. Brise Hall and Javante Williams are probably closer to round five, but I'm fine with them in round four. The rest of the receivers,

I just didn't love the value for those guys across the board, or collectively, I guess, in round four. That's some real shade at him. What do you mean? You took Mike Evans right before he took Luthererton. No, I was like that moment in the draft, I was thinking about just absolutely, I mean, who knows if we're right or not, but crushing you about how excited Jamie was that you took

Mike Evans and he got to take Luther Burden and Colston Loveland there. Well, like, it put me in such a tough spot because like, I mean, to me, Loveland was a steal there and I mean, both were steals. I'm like, I really have to take both bears here. Like, you know, I didn't want to do that. And I'm like trying to talk myself out. I'm like, you know, effing. I'm just going to take the two best players on the board and, you know,

right. Number three tight end and, you know, top 20 wide receiver that just kind of fell on my lap here. So, yeah, I was thrilled with it and I was a little surprised as well. Yeah, I don't know. Mike Evans being the number one receiver for the 49ers is pretty appealing. But I guess I disagree a little bit, Jamie, with what you said about these wide receivers don't belong in round four. So which ones were you referring to?

Waddle. It's not that they don't belong in round four. Obviously, we have to fill spots. That's what my point. Right. Yeah. Like, to me, Jameson Williams is not a round four pick. Jalen Wollell's not around four pick.

Garrett Wilson is around four pick. Adams is a late round four pick. Evans is around five pick and Burden is around four pick. You know, so if you want to just, you know, move guys around, I don't think Colston Loveland's around five pick. I think he's around four pick. You know, the quarterbacks are obviously going to go in that range. I think Scada Boo went way late.

I think Judkins went later than he probably is going to end up going. I think price should be around higher than he is also, you know. So you just want to keep. going down the sliding scale. You know, it's, again, my draft board is not going to reflect what everybody does. So I think they're solid picks. You know, I mean, they're all good players. You know, I mean, we've had the Jalen Wattle discussion when the move happened.

Dave's higher on him than I am. Garrett Wilson's, you know, got a lot of competition for targets at this point, you know. So his value took a little bit of a hit in the draft. As he sort of alluded to with Adams and Evans, you know, these are older receivers that are, you know, coming off. I would say somewhat difficult seasons. You know, Adams was so touchdown dependent and Evans missed more time again, you know, and is a year older. So it's a matter of what you're looking for.

You know, you just said the idea of getting the 49ers number one receiver is intriguing, no matter how old he is. And what Evans' resume is is clearly impressive. Burden has three games of quality production. You know, that's hard to sort of, you know, weigh those two against each other and say one is significantly better than the other without leaning Evans' direction. But I think, you know, again, our job and what we do is to sort of who is going to be better this year. For me, it's burden for you.

It's happens. That's fine. Well, for now. You know, it's, look, it wasn't an easy decision. Obviously, there's, there's the appeal of getting a, there's the appeal of getting into that bear's passing game. It's just Dan, when we had Dan on last time, he made a good point. He said, Burden, Loveland, O'Dunze, they're going to go in the same range. You know, Dunezay will probably be the last one taken and he was.

And this is a team that really wants to run the ball. ball or run-heavy team. Should we be taking two or three bears past catchers in the fourth or fifth round? I think it's an interesting question. All right. Let's go to round five. The valueometer, a new omitory, for us today. The valueometer, this one's pretty self-explanatory, is zero to ten for the running

backs taken in round five. Travion Henderson. So is five perfect value and zero is bad value? No, we're still one to ten. We're still zero to ten. I said the running back. So 10 is perfect value. Zero is WTF, are you thinking?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Five. Seven. Wow, one five, seven for the valuometer on Trevionn Henderson. So you're saying, Jamie, that he went way too soon. I like Scataboo better. I like Judkins better. I like Swift better.

I like Tootin better. Like Montgomery better. I like Price better. I like Pollard better. I like Hubbard better. I think I just would have moved like three of the running backs that went behind Trevion Henderson into round four for some of the wide receivers that were taken. Yeah.

So, like, this is about where I'd take Henderson. There's just, but there were better running back values. I agree with that. I think we should clip that from Jamie and next time, like, Jamie, like, Jamie, how do you feel about Adam Azer? I like Scataboo better. I like Price better. I like Duncan's better.

Valueometer for Cam Scataboo. Nine. 11. Oh, okay. 9, 10, 11 for Scataboo in round five. Who picked that guy in? Anyway, great job, Dave. Quinshan, Judge Kidds.

12. Like, if I could redo Dave's draft and just, like, same players move around, it would be probably Brown 1, H&2, Abuka 3, Scataboo 4, Waddle 5. Like, I just keep sliding them up and out. Interesting. Okay, and, uh, was, oh, where are we here? I love Dave's drafts. I think the players are great. Judkins.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I said 12. 15 is, that's good value. Let's call us Caddibutton. Judkins, nine. Okay, Heath took Judkins. DeAndre Swift.

Eight. Five. Eight. That's good value. Okay. DeAndre Swift in his last... He should be around four guy. His last nine games.

That was when Menangai started getting going. Swift was on pace for 232 carries and 30 catches. Menongai was on pace for 191 carries and 17 catches. And so can you deal with, you know, 260 touches at that point in the draft? I think you can. I think that's good. Can you deal with that?

Can you deal with that? Bejel Tootin, last pick of round five, valueometer. Five, six, four. Okay. It's a fun one. You know, could go a lot of different directions. And here's my last little segment here. It's better value with a question mark.

I'll give you multiple players on the same team and you tell me which player had better values. value in this draft. Patriots running backs. Travion Henderson at 5.5 or Ramandre Stevenson, 7.8. That's, by the way, what you're hearing for me is not my score on the valueometer. It's where they were drafted. Fifth pick of round five or seventh pick of round eight. Travian or Ramandre, who had better value, Dave? Ramondre was the seventh pick of round eight or the eighth pick of round seven.

Damn it. Eighth pick of round seven. I'll take Trayvon. Jamie? I'll go remandre. I'll go Ramondry as well. All right. Jaylen Warren in round six, RICO Dowdle in round eight. This is a full PPR league? Yeah.

I don't like either one, but I'd lean Jalen Warren. Rico. I like where Warren was taken. It's kind of similar to what he said about Brown and Smith. I think this is probably appropriate for both of them, but I think just the value and the uncertainty of what it could be, I'll take Rico. Chuba Hubbard, last pick of round six or Jonathan Brooks, round 13?

Brooks because it's round 13. I'll take Hubbard. And you did take Hubbard. I did. Marvin Harrison Jr. I would take Hubbard too if Brooks is going to be like round 9, 10 turn. Gotcha. Marvin Harrison Jr., first pick of round 7.

Michael Wilson, first pick of round 8. Marv. Harrison. Marvin. Oh, Jamie, you should have said Jr. Mike Evans, 11th pick of round four, or Ricky Pearson. Round 8. Rizzi.

Piercel. Evans. I don't really like either one of those values, though. I'm okay with Pearsall more so than Evans, and you could friendship strategy the hell out of that one. If you really like Evans, you can always double back for Pearsall and get them both. Where does on Stribling go? He didn't get picked. He did not get picked.

Him off the way of wire. Probably the best value. Yeah. Yeah, it might end up working out that way. He's an interesting player for sure. Or Kirk. Yes. Very true.

My goodness. Our fantasy drafters did a better job than John Lynch. I am H.O. You know, you say that, though, but stripling may be great. You know, I know. I would agree with you. But I think we're your way. Yeah, Warren Sharp of Sharp football analysis, wrote an article about it.

He broke it down. He gave the results. This was not an opinion. John Lynch has done an absolutely horrible job drafting on day two and day three. I mean, awful. And you can see all of the results there. And just look, I mean, there's been almost nobody good. Debo Samuel was a great pick.

He's had some pretty big misses on day one. I don't even know. I mean, he hasn't had a lot of high picks. I know they had the defensive lineman last year. Well, Trey Lance. Yeah, that's a pretty big whiff. And as of right now, Pierceell looks like a miss in round one, right?

Yeah, right. Yeah, no question. I just thought they have that Brock Party pick they hang their hats on it. Right. Think about how great of a coach, Kyle Shanahan is because he's getting supplemented with almost no talent.

I think Diomador-Lenor was a great pick, obviously. Well, you say supplemented with no talent. They made a trade for Christian McCaffrey. From the draft, something like, you know, Joey both the land in the lap. Very little talent. All right.

Okay, what else? We did Hubbard Harrison. Okay, here we go. Christian Watson, 10th pick of round 6 or Matthew Golden in round 10. And Savianne Williams is also drafted here, but I know we're not going to say him. As was Jane Reed, back to backpacks. Oh. I'll go Watson.

Okay, so who's the best value? Watson. Watson. Okay, Watson, 10th pick of round six. DeAndre Swift, 11th pick of round 5 or Kyle Menangai, end of round 8. So Swift at the end of round 5 or Menongai end of round 8. So Swift at the end of round five or Menangai end of round eight? Swift.

Swift. I think it's Swift, yeah. Scataboo middle of round five, Tyrone Tracy, first pick of round 13. Scadaboo. Scadaboo. Cam. And David and I could trade handcuffs. He took Brooks.

I took Tracy. Sounds fun. Kyron Williams or, now I'm prune, Tracy. Kairn Williams or Blake Corum. Kyrn Williams in round four, Blake Corum, round nine. Kyron I'll go Kiron Brian Thomas Jr. in round

7. Jacoby Myers in round 8 or Parker Washington in round 9 Jacoby for me. I'll take Washington. Good job. Fun draft. We are outy. Chavez Hunter, not drafted, right?

Who? No, it's not an IDP league, Jamie. Thanks for watching, everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow with the Beyond the Box score fellas coming on the show to give their rookie gems. Until then, for Heath, Dave, Jamie, and our producer, Claire. I'm Adam. Talk to tomorrow.

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