Fantasy Football Today - Mock Draft With Rookies! Only One Rookie in the Top 60 (05/02 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 2, 2024

Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts Marvin Harrison went 14th overall (2:15)! We tell you why that might not be a reach as we kick off today's show with a focus on the rookies. We also bring up the RB/RB strategy (6:35) and some "Wow" moments from our draft (13:10) including both Sam LaPorta and Travis Kelce going in the second round and a round that features seven rookies in 12 picks ... Malik Nabers in Round 6 (24:35), Jonathon Brooks later in Round 6 (26:40) and Ladd McConkey and Brock Bowers in Round 7 (31:10). Are these good values? Also, what is our tight end strategy (34:35) and what do we expect from T.J. Hockenson? ... A closer look at the rookie wide receivers (42:40) and running backs (52:30) that were selected in Round 8 or later. There were a lot of them! Which were the best picks? Dan makes the case for Ja'Lynn Polk and Troy Franklin as great values. Which rookie RBs look like legit handcuffs? ... Email us at [e-mail] SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays on his feet. He's just going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. We've had a lot of special guests on this show lately. Alfredo Brown was our latest one, but we had Jake Seeley a few weeks ago. We had Joe P. Sapia. All these special guests. Today, we just have... We had Adam Heelan. Oh, we did have Adam Heelan. the show lately alfredo brown was our latest one but we had jake sealy a few weeks ago we had joe p sapia all these special guests today we just have adam feeling oh we did have adam feeling

today we just have a guest okay no adjectives just a guest dan schneier is back good i'm sorry to disappoint i'm sorry to disappoint i am just a guest but you know today i'm here to defend some picks that i made and call out just an egregious later in the show call. Just an egregious comment that Adam made yesterday that every two people were witnesses. One was a producer of the show, Thomas. He can confirm. And that egregious comment he made will be answered for both on this show and then later this summer. So we'll get to that a little bit later.

I just put egregious comment in the notes so I can remind you to bring it up. But I don't know if I spelled egregious right, but I will pronounce it properly. All right, so what we're going to do is we're going to take a look at a mock draft that we did yesterday. 12 teams, three receivers, full PPR with the rookies. Our first chance to take a look

at where the rookies are going. And that's the main thing we'll focus on here, where they went, who they went ahead of. We had only one rookie. Jamie, unless I missed one. Only one rookie going the first five rounds. That was Marvin Harrison Jr., right? You are correct, yes.

Round six, we saw two. And then I think there was almost one in every round subsequently. At least one, yeah. And then we had one round, round 12. That was more than half of rookies. So, yeah, we'll talk about that and look at our teams and you know just talk general fantasy football and how we how we structure our teams and whatnot did did any of you go into this draft going i gotta get some rookies on my team i don't think

i ever do that in any draft i unless it's like keeper league or something like that i actually thought based on where i was picking that i was going to take Marvin Harrison Jr. in round two. He went way earlier even than I expected. So, yeah, he went with the second pick of round two. Jamie had the eighth pick of round two. And if you had talked to me before the show, Jamie, I would have taken him with the third pick of round two. But he went one pick before me. Yeah, it was him or Barkley for me.

And I went with Barkley because, because Harrison was off the board. So I don't know if you want to get into this now, but, uh, Joel Cox, who drafts with us, um, one of our, uh, vice presidents of business development, big fantasy guy. Um, he sent me an email explaining the pick. If you want his answer, if you want to get into that now. Yeah, we can start with that. I mean, I have a segment to start the show called Wow! Some things that I thought were wow-worthy takeaways from the draft. And sure, maybe the first one

is that Marvin Harrison went with the second pick of round two. I think it's the biggest wow of the draft, just because it's the first time that we see him in a draft setting, you know, Marvin Harrison. For us, at least. Non-rookie draft. So, Joel said when he took Jonathan Taylorlor he was not going

to go running back running back and he he had referenced saquon barkley and kyron williams as his next two choices not in that order he said kyron first and he said his next uh highest receivers were chris olave and i believe he said mike evans um and so he likes harrison better he says he's not the the the phrase he used was not as safe but more upside and i think we probably all agree on that so um you know so joel was was aggressive and he said had he had the 12th pick he would have done it 12 and 13 also so i don't know if that factors in jonathan taylor and harrison over uh garrett wilson if he had done that as well i i can't say i hate it when i when I look at the rest of the board and I understand

the position I was in at the, at the one, at the two, three turn, like this is an interesting year for wide receivers in that round two, three range. I can't get myself too excited. I can talk myself into a lobby and the case for that. But after that, even the player that I took like Devante Adams, Cooper at a Cooper cup, Drake, London, Michael Pittman, adding A.D. Mitchell there. You know, Mike Evans, obviously, there's a lot of that. That one feels a little bit safer.

Brandon Ayuk, like, I don't hate the idea of going Harrison over any of those players if you were set on not going with a running back there and starting your team with running back, running back, because you believe there's a little bit too much risk in that strategy. But it's amusing that we're a week removed from the nfl draft and we we went from oh yeah i could see harrison maybe being a top 24 end of round two pick two oh yeah i'm gonna take him at i'm gonna take him at 20th overall oh yeah well i'm gonna take him at 15th overall and then he goes 14th overall i i don't think it's necessarily wrong either i i just i don't know how confident i am in in making marvin wide receiver nine overall at this point and i've started to dig into what did kyle murray do last year that That was good.

What can Kyle Murray get better at? There are numbers over his last two seasons that I think Marvin Harrison can absolutely help. The biggest of which being red zone and touchdown rate. And those two things, I think Marvin can play a huge role. We've seen the target volume for DeAndre Hopkins in the past. That's the role that I think Marvin's going to play. I think he's really, really talented. The argument can be made and we're seeing it in our mocks. I'd like to see another mock and I know if Marvin is going top 15 overall,

and maybe we are going to get to a point where the consensus says he is wide receiver nine, which then begs the question, who the hell is wide receiver Ted? I saw another industry, not a, not a CBS one, another industry mock draft where he went like more like 24th behind Olave behind Drake London. But this is, this is what I talked about. I think on Friday night is we've had, we've been discussing for several weeks now, several months,

maybe it's very hard to figure out who wide receiver nine is and if any of them deserve to go in the second round. And in this draft, we determined that Marvin Harrison for Joel and for me would have been wide receiver nine and worthy of a early second round pick. Um, yeah. And then, and then yes, you are faced with that, with that decision. If you think it's too early for Harrison or any wide receiver there, do I go running back, running back? I don't think a lot of people are going to want to do that.

And I think that this draft and maybe Thomas up in here, because Thomas did go running back, running back with Bijan Robinson and Kyron Williams. And when you start to get past, I mean, maybe it's even just McCaffrey, but you know, with, with Brees Hall and B. John Robinson, I think those three will be the consensus running backs in the first round. We may see no other running backs go in the first round based on how ADP goes. Could be wrong. Could be three more guys, you know, could be

Taylor, could be Gibbs, could be Kyron, could be Barkley, who knows. But I think if you just look at the teams and how they started, the wide receiver running back start feels like the best start. And I do think that we're going to end up seeing, because of this, because of the uncertainty after the top eight wide receivers, if you don't want to put Marvin Harrison in that group yet, of the top eight wide receivers, this is why we're going to see ADP probably three to four quarterback in round two. Because I think people, when they start to look at it, the average drafter, maybe

not the expert drafter, but the average drafter will say, why am I going to reach for Chris Olave who burned me last year or the uncertainty of Marvin Harrison or the uncertainty of Drake London or the aging Mike Evans, you know, all the question marks that we have with that group, which is a big group and just take the safe route, which is what a lot of people always do. Take my homes, take Allen, take Hertz, take Lamar, even, you know, maybe take LaPorta, you know, or Kelsey, you know, just because again, they're, they're going to be considered safe as opposed to the risk of maybe this wide receiver isn't there, or maybe I'll get them in round three because they'll fall another round. Yeah. I think that's a great point. I even look at some of the players that were drafted at that

position a little bit later, like a lot later, Jalen Waddle, T Higgins. I'm not so sure Marvin Harrison is a Glock to outproduce them. It requires a big jump, I think, in efficiency from Murray, but also at the same time, I look at what Drew Predsick did in his first season as offensive coordinator and the addition of Trey Benson, one of the best running backs in this draft class. And I'm not so sure that Kyler Murray and that offensive system is supporting Marvin Harrison where he's being drafted and then Trey McBride where he's being drafted. That's kind of my, I'm, I'm almost, I'm going to have to be choosing one or the other essentially at cost and at value for me to be behind.

And the other I'm going to be way out on, and I think it's going to be McBride who I'm going to be out on, but given the rapport he built with Murrayray last year i'm not so sure that's right i just what i'm what i'm looking at that that cardinals duo right there um harrison harrison mcbride i'm not so sure that's going to be supported by by that offense all right to be fair though we haven't seen kyler murray in this offense with two players this talented right right he was in a different offense with deandre hopkins and marquise brown and there were sort of ebbs and flows with those two guys and how they performed mostly it was brown doing his best when hopkins was suspended and then hopkins taking over really when brown was there but you know in in this offense which is essentially the browns offense you know if you

just look at the the system uh tight ends tend to well. And I think we'll see the talent of Marvin Harrison also stand out. The thing that I would do if I'm drafting Harrison early, I would want it to be receiver-receiver. Because I think right now I don't necessarily want to trust him, even though I'm ranking him as a wide receiver one. I don't necessarily want to trust him as a wide receiver one if I don't have to. And so that's why for me, knowing that I was probably going to end up with Jefferson or Chase in the first round based on picking fifth overall, I was hoping, like I was going to say, I was going to take the approach of

I'm going to take wide receiver, wide receiver, and Harrison will be that second guy. I'll just say this about Kyler Murray. He has played five seasons. And if you look at just his 17-game pace, and I'm pretty sure I did this, yeah, I removed one partial game in three seasons where he barely played there's been two seasons where Kyler Murray has been on pace for more than 4,400

passing yards and 29 touchdowns that's big time stuff right there he's been on pace for more than 4,000 passing yards in every season except last year so So he's not, you know, Lamar Jackson. He's going to throw for a lot more yards than Lamar. He could be closer to Deshaun Watson in his prime, and that's the kind of guy who can support, at his best, can support two really good... We never actually saw it from Watson because he... Well, actually, Will Fuller, I guess, had his moments, but...

He did. But Kyler has put up, you know, two seasons where he's been over 4,400 yards and 29 touchdowns on pace for that in his healthy games. I have to take a break here real quick, guys. I have to say a few things we have. If you want to see the draft two ways to do it. Uh, I'm going to, depending on when you listen, a link to the story that Jamie is writing will be in the episode description. Uh, if you watch on YouTube, you can see the draft right away. YouTube.com slash Fantasy Football Today.

So you can see the draft board there, or you can check out the story on the website. I'll put a link in the episode description whenever it becomes available, which will be at some point on Thursday. I wanted to point out we had our NFL draft contest. We had four people get eight of them right. So we do have to figure out a way to break that tie, but there are four of you. If you got eight, congratulations. Tiebreaker announcement is coming. And big day for us on Monday. We are on CBS Sports Network. So check your cable provider

or watch on the CBS Sports app. But CBS Sports Network at 2 p.m. Eastern on Monday, we're doing a special edition of Fantasy football today. Be there. Check it out live 2 p.m. Eastern on CBS Sports Network. We are extremely excited for it. More wow moments from our fantasy football draft. And we'll tell you about all the rookies and all of our teams and an egregious comment after this on FFT.

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Some more wow moments from our draft. And I'm going to ask you guys if we could kind of rapid fire on these, maybe one minute per thing. Two tight ends in the second round, Dave. Sam Laporta went with the fourth pick of round two, and then Travis Kelsey went 24th overall last pick of round two. We're not used to seeing it, but I bet we start to see more of it because of the receiver drain that we talked about from wide receiver nine to wide receiver. Goodness, you could almost say wide receiver 24, to be honest. There's going to be people that are just going to prioritize the tight end. Completely get it. Completely understand.

I do think they went in the right order. I think Laporta should go before Kelsey. I was surprised Laporta went as high as he did, but I bet we end up seeing at least one tight end, if not both toward the end of round two, moving forward. Jamie Christian Watson. I don't know why this one really stood out to me, but I thought, wow, Christian Watson was drafted in the ninth round as wide receiver 44 overall. That just, that one, I don't know, really stuck out to me as a major potential there. Did you think that was too late for Christian Watson?

A little bit, just given the fact that it's a three-receiver league. Not necessarily the wide receiver number, but in terms of the round value, yes. Great pick. Anytime you're shooting for upside, he's got as much as anybody in the NFL. Based on the receiving core in Green Bay, it's going to be a wide-open group. He can easily prove that he's the best one there. And so if you're in the camp of, I want to get a piece of this Packers offense, you're most likely going to see Jaden Reed go first in terms of receiving core.

You'll probably see Dontavion Wicks go last. And then really it should be Watson second, which I think was the case here as well. But yeah, I mean, the later you get that type of talent, the better off you'll be, and not a bad idea to take him a little bit sooner than that. What's his ceiling? I think it's big. I think it's huge.

Top 15. Yeah, I was going to say wide receiver 15 is a ceiling, and you're drafting that in round nine. I'm going to say this a dozen times between now and August. Perfect type of player to go and target. Because the ceiling is so high compared to the draft value. How many rookies would you take ahead of Christian Watson? Rookie receivers, Harrison, who else?

I'm going to double check my rankings. I think it's two. It might be three. And I don't want to speak incorrectly. Okay. Dan, wow. Seven of the 12 picks in round 12. and I don't want to speak incorrectly. Okay. Dan, wow! Seven of the 12 picks in round 12,

pretty late in the draft, were rookies. And they were Packers running back Marshawn Lloyd, Jets wide receiver Malachi Corley, Niners wide receiver Ricky Pearsall, Broncos wide receiver Troy Franklin, Patriots wide receiver Jalen Polk, Panthers wide receiver Xavier Leguette, and Giants running back Tyrone Tracy to you.

But more than half of round 12 was rookie picks. I think that's what we're going to see. And I think these guys it's early in the draft season. A lot of these guys will have helium that will take them into way higher rounds. I mean, we're going to see some of these guys drop, some of these guys stay in this range, and then other guys move all the way, in my mind, to that round seven, eight range where people are really taking a chance when you start to get through. The players you feel confident can give you a consistent weekly starter kind of level. And I think that's just how it goes in fantasy football. There's always excitement in the unknown, but also when you get to round 12 in this

specific draft, why not swing for the upside of the unknown at this point versus what you're going to be giving up by passing up guys like Jake Ferguson, good player, but we're not so sure there's that much of a ceiling there. Even a player like JK Dobbins coming off the injuries at two season ending injuries. I know situation looks good on paper, but you know, these are the type of players who you're passing up. I actually, he went a little bit earlier, so I made a mistake there, but these are the types of players that you're passing up on. So I think the upside there makes it worth it. An egregious mistake, I must say. Wow, Jamie. Jaden Daniels was drafted four rounds after Caleb Williams. Williams was QB 11. Daniels was QB 14. That's a big separation. Four rounds. I think they were back to back in your rankings, right? So that was

interesting. Yeah, I actually thought when you took Caleb Williams, he might have just gone back and double-tapped and take Daniels right afterwards just to see how it would play out. I thought that would be kind of a fun- I considered it. I considered it big time.

There's so much upside and so much risk in that. I started looking at Daniels in round 11, and I was like, okay, I'll see if it goes another round. I'll see if it goes another round. And then sure enough, he was still there in round 13. 13 i was like this is a no-brainer to me um you know just based on the upside not that i needed him because i drafted joe burrow but obviously you know when you talk about players that have the potential to break fantasy he's one of those guys you know if he runs to the level that he did in college over a thousand yards

rushing at lsu um i think fairly decent weapons in in washington in a system that should hopefully allow him to flourish so there's a lot to love about the situation you know and i think one thing that we've already discussed which will probably play out in in the summer is which of the two is better for redraft purposes caleb williams or jayden daniels and so you know in a six point for passing leagues it's closer four points i think, yeah, to see the, the, the separation between those two guys, I thought was a little bit egregious. I think now that I'm looking at it, Caleb Williams went in round nine,

Daniel's in round 13. Uh, yeah, I guess how many, there were two or three quarterbacks going in between them. Maybe I was, maybe one. You took Purdy.

Yeah. Justin Herbert went after Williamsiams then purdy and then daniels okay so there were only three quarterbacks and two quarterbacks in between them so i guess daniels was yeah yeah okay i had it right williams was qb 11 daniels was qb 14 so just not a lot of quarterbacks going off the board at that point last wow moment yeah wow dan took tank dan's team sucks. Dan took tank Dell. We'll see how it plays out.

I mean, this whole team is wow. It plays out. It's a mock draft. It's not playing out anywhere. No, but if you do check back on these mock drafts that we do, it does keep the score. So I have a look back in time to see how it did. There's no like creative.

The only person that's going to be checking that is you, Dan. I might. No lineups. I might. Nobody's saying lineups. I'm going to be checking that is you, Dan. I might. After these comments, I might. Nobody's sending lineups. I'm going to take these comments to heart, and we will be making some bets on the teams that we actually draft this year, me versus Adam.

All right, okay. Okay. Dan took Tank Dell. Very defensive. Tank Dell and Marquise Brown. You cackled at my Nico Collins pick. Yep. And then what, like 14, 15 picks later, you took Tank Dell.

And then you took Marquise Brown with your next pick. I don't know what kind of suspension you're expecting for Rasheed Rice. Maybe that factors in, but that's a bad turn. That's a bad turn. Tank Dell and Marquise Brown at 48, 49.

It's not a bad turn. Let me tell you something about this turn. Okay, I go into this draft. I know I have the first pick. That means Christian McCaffrey. I know it's full PPR and I don't like bad guy. R I says, Dan's team is in the retirement.

It's an old team. It's the oldest team I've ever drafted. I want to make that clear, but I don't like once I draft Christian McCaffrey, it's not that I like the idea of pitching, holding myself into a specific strategy, but I know in a full PPR league where you need to start three receivers in a flex, I am going receiver heavy from that point on with Christian McCaffrey as my hero running back, he's getting me receptors on his own. So I'm looking at receiver no matter what, or tight end from that point on with Christian McCaffrey as my hero running back, he's getting the receptions on his own. So I'm looking at receiver no matter what, or tight end

from that point on. And tank Dell is a player who, if you listen to this is conjecture, this is narrative based fine. But if you listen to CJ Stroud earlier this off season on the podcast, he does with Micah Parsons tank Dell was the player he took at wide receiver. If he can make his own team, he didn't take Nico Collins. Okay. He didn't even take Stefan Diggs before the trade. He loves tank Dell. We saw that last year when both of them were healthy. Tank Dell is one of the most impressive rookies I've ever seen. He was impressive on tape at Houston too. He was one of my favorite wide receivers in that class. I'm betting on his talent. I'm betting on the rapport love tank Dell this season. Now we go on Marquis Brown. He brings that offense, something they haven't had since Tyreek

Hill. Somebody who can stretch the defense. Teams are still going to account for Travis Kelsey. Now I've got them both, Kelsey and Marquise Brown. Good. I'm betting on the Chiefs passing game with the bounce back season. That's what I expect anyway from this Chiefs passing game. I'd love to get pieces of Chiefs and Texans passing game. You can enjoy your team over there, Adam, with some receivers on bad offenses

with bad quarterbacks. Oh, yeah. I have Puka Nakua, Nico Collins, and and t higgins wow they those those often i actually like your i blindly said that comment without actually i've learned that so it didn't work out how i planned i was hoping that one would hit but you know what i defend those picks we'll see how they go and i think tank tells somebody who's going to rise throughout draft season. Once he like proves to be healthy plays in training camp of the preseason, things of that nature. I just, it just feels like you took these guys a little too soon. That's the problem.

Well, I got an interesting note on that, Jamie, that you might've, you might've actually known if you joined the show a little bit earlier and now that you didn't, you might feel a little off guard when you hear it. But as you know, because I've mentioned this before, when I do these mock drafts, I use the Jamie Eisenberg rankings. And those were the two highest wide receivers ranked on the board at the time that I took them in Jamie Eisenberg.

There's no chance that Cooper Cup was ranked ahead of... No, no, not Cooper Cup. I thought you were talking about Tank Dillon. No, I'm saying a big portion of these guys. Kelsey wasn't ranked there for me. No, he's talking about, no, he's bad too,

but I didn't want to be too mean to Dan. So he's talking about tank Dell and Marquise Brown at four at the four or five turn. He says they were your highest. I was not ranked that high. Yes, he was. No,

he's not. Well, we'll look up the Jamie Eisenberg right now. We could just look on this. Then the site is wrong. I don't know what's going on. He was ranked ahead of George Pickens, you know jim pickens christian kirk all these guys no chance yeah all right all right i'm making a beeline to the rankings right now i told you this

was wow i love it and either that or it's that wonky thing that happens in the system where you like sort by you have to sort by like if the rankings are somehow different in the flex versus the wide receiver something happened to be fair. I don't care. I like Marquise Brown. Even if Jamie doesn't have him ranked, I like Marquise Brown. Jamie has ranked 27th. It'll take me a good 20 seconds to get through all the other receivers.

He has ranked between Dell and Marquise. Something went wrong. I short circuited. I don't know, but I defend these. To be fair to Dan, we've only done like 10 mock drafts in the last three months. So he needs a little bit more repetition. I don't need repetition. I'll defend this team versus anyone's team right now.

Did you panic? Were these like last with the clock ticking? No panic decisions. I'm high on Tank Dell and I'm high on Marquise Brown. I'm actually down with tank tail too. I don't think that that was a problem with tank tail. Yeah. Yeah.

No, Mark Brown is perfect for tank tail. So this was the first time we've done a draft. We do a Marquise Brown going ahead of Rishi rice, who went about a round and a half later. And then Xavier worthy. What happens when the eight game suspension gets put down on Rishi rice?

And then we're going to be laughing at that Marquis Brown pick then? I don't know. You're the only one who's going to go back and check the standings of the league. Injuries, news and notes. There are none. So let's get into where the rookies went in this draft. Marvin Harrison, we told you, went 14th overall. He was wide receiver nine just after A.J.

Brown, Puka Nakua, Jonathan Taylor, Jameer Gibbs and Garrett Wilson. Then it was Marvin Harrison. And then after that, it was Saquon, Kyron, ETN, Jacobs, and Olave. How about the other rookies? And I'm sorry, you know, I thought maybe we'd do like a round-by-round thing, but we do that a lot, so I figured I would just focus more on the rookies today, and we'll see how much time we have left for the rest of it. But the other rookies, the second rookie coming off the board was Malik neighbors, wide receiver, 33, third pick of round six for Malik neighbors,

neighbors. Yeah. Who guess who took a me or Dan? Who do you all think out there? Take a second. Think about it. Me or Dan. It was me.

Um, but I said I would take neighbors in the fifth round. So I was pleased to get him in the sixth round. And I think wide receiver 33 just feels ridiculous to me. I feel very confident he's going to be better than that. Um, he went after Amari Cooper, Tony Pollard, and Deontay Johnson. He went before Aaron Jones, Rasheed Rice, Zamir White, and James Connor. And I thought those were all, you know, I didn't like the Deontay Johnson pick there, but those are all pretty good picks. I can't say that Neighbors was a slam dunk ahead of guys like Aaron Jones, Rasheed Rice, Amir White, and Connor. But I was ready to gamble on him there at 6.3 as my wide receiver four.

This was a league where I didn't take a quarterback or a tight end until late, so I loaded up at running back and receiver. But Jamie, do you think I went too early there on Malik Neighbors? I mean, you have a conviction on him, so you want to get him, you get him. But yeah, a little too soon. You were never going to get him in round seven. That's true. Dan, am I crazy? I think Neighbors is going to have a really good rookie year.

I don't think I'm as high on him as you are in fantasy. I just think the health of that passing game is not very, very healthy. Um, you know, we're talking about a quarterback who. Uh, never topped 6.8 yards per attempt. The average is like 200 yards passing game,

a game. Now, if all of that is funneled through neighbors, that's one thing, but I think there's other pieces in this offense that that's going to go through. And that's just how it's always been. It's never been a one receiver offense in stable and Kafka got here. so it's hard for me to see it but i think obviously there's

potential and maybe if drew lock steps in there they could have a little bit more of a passing game i don't know i can't believe that sentence just came out of someone's mouth no it's true i mean he might it is but i mean daniel is going to run a lot more than drew lock will run and so that takes away from neighbors that's that's like's also never had a talent like this, though. Let's see what he has. The talent is there without Saquon there. Exactly. It would be a whole new ballgame.

Next rookie was Carolina running back Jonathan Brooks. He went 6-11. 11th pick of round 6. He was RB26. Jonathan Brooks went after Aaron Jones, Amir White, James Conner, and Javante Williams. He went before Austin Eckler, Zach Moss, and Najee Harris.

So after Aaron Jones, Amir White, James Conner, Javante Williams, we get RB26, Jonathan Brooks. Thoughts? I think it's a little bit of a bargain, Adam, because we're drafting him right now. It's not even close to training camp. The reports are that he'll be ready for training camp once he's in training camp and there isn't restriction.

And if there's video of him running like Brees Hall was running at this time last year, no one's getting him in round six. I don't know if anybody's going to get him in round five either. There's too much potential there for, for a dual threat running back in an offense that, that really gravitates towards running backs who can run any type of scheme, who can catch the ball, the backfield and can take on a lot of work. There's real potential for Brooks provided that his knees fine and everything's good to be a really big time fantasy asset this year. And if you're drafting now, I think you draft them as a low end RB two, not as a high end RB three, like he went in this draft. I know you take him ahead of Javante Williams. Would you

take Jonathan Brooks ahead of Aaron Jones, Amir white or James Connor? Uh, not white because I'm just, I'm, I'm dialed in on white as being the main guy in Vegas. And I think Vegas wants to run. So I will take white for now ahead of Brooks, but everybody else that you named Brooks is ahead of. You take them over Aaron Jones. I dig them over Aaron Jones. Jamie Brooks or Jones.

Oh, Brooks by like five spots. If not more, I think I have Jones like 29 depends what Dan's looking at, but I think I'm like 29. Blame the system. Not me. The mirror white is like 29. Depends what Dan's looking at, but I think I'm like 29. Blame the system, not me. Zamir White is like 16. Yeah.

I'm sorry. Brooks is like 22. Excuse me. I don't know why I'm right. Brooks is like 22 and Jones like 29. All right. That's also might apply to their ages, by the way. I don't know.

Maybe. Honestly, we could get to training camp and jonathan brooks is a like a top 15 type fantasy running back i know they added robert hunt and damian lewis damian lewis who i'm not so sure is that good and robert hunt who was great in this free agent class at guard because there was a pretty weak class i thought there was no you know joe tooney tooney in this class for example are we sure the panthers disaster of an offensive line last year that kind of destroyed their whole offense is just guaranteed to be like, that's where I'm still scared at with Carolina.

It's a low bar. Yeah. Don't ever. I don't know if it has to be dramatically better, but it's two things. It's not just the talent that was brought in, which you hope is better. It's the coach and the system that was brought in, which should help everything be better. And so, you know, Canalis making Bryce Young better, making the offensive line and the

system better. I mean, you know, and, and really the only thing that scares me about Jonathan Brooks is it's not that will he be ready? It's, you know, I don't want to fall in love with what Brees Hall did last year in first year off ACL tear. The history of that position coming back from that injury is terrible. And so you have to build that in that even if he does come back, are they going to rush him back?

Are they going to give him all the work? Are they still going to use Chuba Hubbard and potentially Miles Sanders? And so there's a lot of risk involved with it. So I think this is the right round for him. Even if he's ready for training camp, I'm not going to elevate him that much. This is kind of me expecting him to be ready for training camp, I'm not going to elevate him that much. This is kind of me expecting him to be ready for training camp and sort of taking the path of that's what tends to happen with this position. So I'll take him over Aaron Jones. I'll take him over James Conner just because of the situation, but that's very close for me, those two guys. I'll take him over Javante Williams

because as we talked with Alfredo Brown, I'm a little concerned about that situation in Denver, but I do think there's a lot to love about Jonathan Brooks, but you should also understand you need to be patient with him. All right. Next up guys. Next up. Even if Carolina stinks this year, he's going to catch passes when they're trailing. He'll be on the field for that. And I gave the optimistic view of what could happen to Jonathan Brooks fantasy value. Also consider the pessimistic view. He's not ready for training camp. He doesn't have explosiveness in camp.

He is slow to take the field. He could drop in fantasy drafts. He could be someone that we buy the dip on if it's round seven, when we're getting them, because there isn't a lot of steam on Brooks. All right. Next up is lad McConkie. As we move on to round seven,

now neighbors and Brooks were in round six. Chargers wide receiver Ladd McConkie is pick three of round seven. He's wide receiver 38, and he goes after Keenan Allen and Jaden Reed. And Jamie, I'm going to give you two questions here. Do you think McConkie, do you think is the right spot? Keenan Allen, Jaden Reed, Ladd McConkie. And then if you look at the other Chargers receivers, you have McConkie in round seven.

You have Josh Palmer in round 10. You have Quentin Johnston in round 11. What's the best value there? I'm still hopeful that Quentin Johnston could do something. So I would say Johnston just based on him going last, but too soon on McConkie. Love the upside, love the the potential of the landing spot but like to go ahead of chris godwin i wouldn't do that uh right after jayden reed no i mean dan

probably reached on keenan allen but that's okay uh but it just it's a little too soon for mcconkie you know i i think he this may be one of those guys like dan was talking about earlier in the show that we could see him rise based on how training camp reports go and Justin Herbert having a strong rapport with him. And they're going to throw the ball more than we anticipated. And all those things that we may hear from, you know, beat writers or just people that are around the team.

So that might push them up a little bit, but it feels as if, you know, to use Dave's phrase, we're drafting him at a ceiling at this point. I don't know how many touchdowns will score. He should lead the team in receptions, but who knows what the yardage bar will be. So I wouldn't take him this point. I don't know how many touchdowns he'll score. He should lead the team in receptions,

but who knows what the yardage bar will be. So I wouldn't take him this soon, no. Our next rookie, Dave Richard, is Brock Bowers, Raiders tight end. He went with the 11th pick of round seven, and just before your pick of Najee Harris, and then just before your pick of Evan Ingram, really. You went Najee, Evan Ingram at the 7-8 turn, but Brock Bowers went off the board just before you took Ingram. So it was George Kittle, Kyle Pitts, Brock Bowers, all in the seventh round. And then Evan Ingram with the first pick of round

eight. So that was tight end eight for Brock Bowers. Uh, how do you feel about that? It's going to be right around where it goes, because there's going to be people in every draft that get excited about Bowers and, and what he can bring to the Raiders offense. And now he could be second on the team in targets and catches and making plays for Las Vegas. I've kind of cooled on Bowers a little bit. I think after the draft, I got a little too excited and I was taking him ahead of Evan Ingram. I'm not doing that anymore. I think Evan Ingram will still see decent target volume in Jacksonville. So it's close between them. I've got Ingram in PPR ahead of Brock Bowers. I've got him ahead of Kittle in full PPR. It's different in non PPR. So I felt like I got great value on

Evan Ingram. I was thrilled with that. I think that kind of helped make my team better than it was. But Bowers is, you should expect him to go somewhere between late round seven and the top of round nine. In every single draft, someone's going to be excited about him. And I don't think it's necessarily wrong to be excited about him just as long as you don't reach for him and take him late round six or early round seven because he does have potential to suck up targets and to score. He can do those things.

He did it at Georgia. He's a phenomenal talent in the passing game for Vegas. It's just a matter of how much they'll throw. One last point. If it's Minshew under center, we know that Minshew does not like to throw deep that much. And when he does, he's not necessarily accurate. Had a relatively low ADOT last year. These things help Brock Powers quite a bit. I ended up taking Dallas Goddard. He was the 13th tight end off the board. I was the last person to take a tight end.

Dave took two, which kind of screwed me. He took TJ Hawkinson. I'm taking Hawkinson when you guys let him fall every single time. And that was about two full rounds. Or like, yeah, basically two full rounds after Dave took Evan Ingram. But I think I want to top... I feel like, yeah, I mean, Jamie, I feel like it's a big difference.

Well, I'll throw it to Dan. For me, between tight end 12 in this draft, it was Jake Ferguson. In tight end 13, it was Goddard. And then after that, it was Kmet. And then I took Darren Waller with my last pick. He might retire. Uh,

but I, I feel like if, if I could guarantee that everybody in my 12 team league was only going to take one tight end, then I could just wait and wait. But Dave took two. I don't really want Dallas Goddard. Um,

maybe I'm being too hard on Dallas Goddard, but I don't know. I, there's a big difference to me between Ferguson and Goddard, Dan. And what's your tight end approach. You want one of the top? What?

I am not. And my tight end approach is i'm fine getting somebody like travis kelsey when he falls but outside of that i'm not going to use a mid by mid i meet an early mid-round pick on any of the guys there i don't find value really much in all of them on any of them i like kyle pitts a lot this year from value standpoint so i'm fine taking him same goes for bowers i'll take my upside on them i get them what three four five rounds later from those, those second, third, fourth, fifth rank guys. But other than that, like I'm kind of okay. Like I think there's a lot of value later in the draft. I think Evan Ingram is an amazing value. They brought that up and I, and I think the same kind of goes for, for Ferguson. And I'm also a little bit higher than you are on Goddard. And, and there's one more strategy you can use here, which I think

Dave used in this draft, which is you can target Hawkinson and do so knowing that he may not be there for the early part of the season, but when you get him back, he's going to be one of the four or five best tight ends in fantasy football. I don't agree with that. That's the thing. I don't agree with that either.

I guess you got Jefferson, Addison, and now McCarthy and not Cousins. And he's hurt. Yeah, and he's coming off an ACL. I don't think it was a bad pick, Dave, with Hawkinson at the end of round nine. There's a lot of upside there, though. Even if he doesn't reach that, and it does seem like you guys have a strong case as to why it might not happen, what you're passing up there,

the opportunity cost is not that high. Yeah, but just in terms of the strategy like to me that's a wasted pick because ingram's going to be better than him in my opinion okay throughout the course of the season like if it's two or three rounds later like i would have rather seen dave take a receiver there as opposed to taking a second tight end back to back at that point you only have three receivers and in the league where you start three like your tight end situation is great i thought you killed the draft up until that point. Not that Hawkinson's a bad pick, but it's just you're not giving yourself enough depth or potential other flex at a key spot.

Do you want me to run off the wide receivers that were taken after Hawkinson and you can tell me which one is going to be a better pick, slam dunk better pick, than a tight end with the kind of upside that Hawkinson has? I don't see the upside with him this year. That's the problem. I don't see it over the course of the whole year.

I think it's going to be somebody that I'm stashing on my IR for at least the first four weeks of the season, if not longer. And then in the second half in PPR, he can come through and not be what he was last year, but can still be a contributor to my lineup. He could be a flex for me. He's someone that's going to help me win in the second half of the season.

And if I've got the IR spot to burn, then I'm going to take it. Now where things fall apart is if he's not a hundred percent and the Vikings still don't put them on the pop list to begin the year and JJ McCarthy struggles, then yeah, it's a wasted pick, but it's a wasted pick after a hundredth overall. I'm not going to cry about it when the other options at wide receiver are, Oh, Josh Palmer. I could have had Jacoby Myers,

Tyler Lockett, uh, Brian Thomas, Jr. Roman Wilson. Am I naming anybody that you're going? Oh man, big mistake.

Like the one guy that I would take was Jameson Williams. Yeah. Like that's the thing. Like Adam said, I would say Brian Thomas, I get that, but that is still in itself also a boom-bust type pick, just like Hawkinson is. But again, look, it depends what side of this you're on.

I agree with Jamie. I don't see boom potential for Hawkinson. I'm going to back it up with this. The first five games of the season was when Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, Kirk Cousins, TJ Hawkinson, they were all healthy. He averaged 12.6,

roughly, I'm actually looking at non-decimal, so let's just say... I've got 13.1 in his first five. 13.1. Okay, that's good. That's still damn good

for a fantasy tight end. That would have made him tight end six. That was with Kirk Cousins throwing a lot and not coming off a torn ACL. So I just don't see him reaching that. I also only see one really good game in there.

One game, well, I guess eight for 78 is pretty good, but not great. But like, you know, only one huge game. So that's what I look at like a good tight end. That's not going to be great. It's coming off torn ACL. So that's just, I don't know. It's not just a torn ACL. It's coming off torn ACL. So that's just, I don't know. It's not just a torn ACL.

It's a December torn ACL that he didn't have repair until the end of January. Yeah. He had one monster game in the first five, but he had at least 11 PPR points in each of his first three,

10 PPR points in week five. And then if you go after week five, yeah, the formula changed after then and he was a monster. See, I think if you're taking the strategy of targeting Hawkinson, See, I think if you're taking the strategy of targeting Hawkinson, it should be more as you're taking him as the

first option with the second option being somebody who has upside. Well, this was an unexpected TJ Hawkinson detour. Let's get back to the rookies. When we get back to fantasy football today, we're going to take a break here. Keon Coleman is our next rookie. Where did he go? Where did Trey Benson go?

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Please be alert as trains can pass at any time on the tracks. Remember to follow all traffic signals. Be careful along our tracks and only make left turns where it's safe to do so. Be alert, be aware, and stay safe. Adam, real quick, just to go back to your strategy as well with the tight ends. If you're going to do what you did, like take Dallas Goddard, a guy I'm starting to get more excited about is

Ben Sinnott, and I know you like him as well. That's somebody I would have taken instead of Darren Waller. I do believe that Darren Waller, if Darren Waller plays I do believe that Darren Waller, if Darren Waller plays, I believe he will be somewhat, something like tight end 10 to 12 per game.

But you're tying yourself, especially with, I know you like your friendship strategy, but you're tying yourself to the Giants passing game with two guys. Not really. I mean, it's such a low cost for Waller at that point that it's like, it's not like I'm really, he was my last pick round 14.

But I will say 100%, it was either going to be Waller or Sinnott. I was like, maybe I'll take Ben Sinnott here. Just, I don't know. There's a lot of potential for him to just be like a 500-yard, two-touchdown guy this year, Ben Sinnott, not matter. But all right, Keon Coleman is our next rookie. He goes with the 10th pick of round eight. He's wide receiver 42.

That means we have, this draft one rookie in the top 30, two rookies in the top 36 at wide receiver. And I think I said on Friday night after round one of the draft or Friday morning, Thursday night, Friday morning that we've had like an average of about five wide receivers, five rookie wide receivers, finishing top 36. I'll try to get it. Anyway, they do better than the way we drafted them. Keon Coleman goes after Jordan Addison

and Cortland Sutton. Keon Coleman goes before DeAndre Hopkins and Christian Watson. Wide receiver 42. Good value, Dan? You know what? I think so. And I think I've kind of changed my mind on what my opinion of this draft is in my own draft, based on what you just said,

historical data, because I think about it from the holistic 30,000 foot view. And I'm like, I studied this class really in depth. And I had three receivers in this class who were, would have been my first pick in seven of the last 10 classes at the wide receiver position. All three of them, Romo Dunzay, Leak Neighbors, and Marvin Harrison. After that, I had a lot of players in that second tier who I thought were really good talents. So if what you said is true and we are underdrafting them based on history, why are we looking at what is probably historically viewed as one of the more talented classes and seeing this is one that we're probably not going to, at least in this mock, we didn't draft as highly. So maybe there

is a lot of value missed in that sense. So I would say the has good value to any of these receivers based on that, based on historical data, some specific receivers. I like a lot. I like the Keon Coleman fit a lot with Josh Allen there. Um, I'm not so sure it's not going to be a little bit Gabe Davis-y as far as when we can predict the production and maybe better for best ball. But I think generally speaking, it's a good fit for his skill set. Who else specifically there did you want to know about? Well, okay, I guess we can kind of lump some guys in, right?

Why don't we do it? I think it's interesting looking at Marone's draft at the third spot. It feels like he had a type. It was rookies and Buffalo players. Yeah. So, you know, and Marone's one of our better drafters. He typically does well in our leagues, but he ended up with, and going back to the tight end conversation, I was, I was planning on Dalton Kincaid around five. He took him two picks before me. Um, but he ends up with Kincaid,

uh, Keon Coleman and Curtis Samuel. So he's got three players of the bills passing game. Two of those guys could potentially be very, very good. I would lean toward Coleman and Kin Samuel. So he's got three players of the bills passing game. Two of those guys could potentially be very, very good. I would lean toward Coleman and Cade obviously. And then he's the one that drafted McConkie in round seven. He took Coleman in round eight. He also had Blake Corum and Bucky Irving, you know, so he was targeting some, you know, I would say relatively high end rookie backups. You know, if you want to just, you know, put them in a category, Corum could easily be a factor in the Rams' backfield, and Irving, the same thing with the Bucs, and he also drafted Rashad White, so, you know, if that's a handcuff strategy,

that's something Mehron implored, but, yeah, he took a youthful approach, as opposed to Dan, who took guys that are all retired. We'll see if they're retired. I think they got one more good year in them. All right, why don't we do this by position? Let's take a look at the wide receivers who went in round eight or later. Keon Coleman, Roma Dunze in round nine. Xavier Worthy went one pick after Odunze. Who would you guys have taken first, Odunze or Worthy?

Odunze for me. Worthy for me in redraft. I actually think Odunze is going to end up being one of the better values this draft season. Connection to Caleb Williams off the field, and I just think he's an insane talent. That talent wins out there. So I'm going to be in on Odunze.

I'm kind of mad I didn't draft him now that I look back at this. I just hope he's not JSN because this is kind of the same thing we were saying last year. And the older Tyler Lockett stayed relevant. And I hope the older Keenan Allen. True. For your sake, Dan stays relevant, but similar system, but they're playing the opposite rules though,

because, Oh no, I'm not saying, I'm not saying in terms of player or, or, or situ it, it's just more situation, you know,

of sure. You know, young receiver comes into two proven guys. Um, obviously Keenan Allen's also joining the team for the first time. Quarterback is new. So there's a lot of things that are, you know,

different moving parts here, but, um, you know, we, we were at this time. Quarterback is new, so there's a lot of things that are different moving parts here. But we were at this point saying, well, JSN is so talented. We'll push most likely Tyler Lockett to the side from a target standpoint, from a production standpoint. And that didn't happen. I'm not saying it won't happen with Odunze because he's a very talented guy, and the investment was a little bit higher. But it just feels like it could be a similar situation, which is what same offensive systems. I get that. My only counter would be that Keenan Allen's going to be playing that role that JSM was playing. I think that's going to hurt. And then I just think Romo Doomsday is a much better red zone threat than JSM. Plus

Caleb Williams to me, a much more talented thrower than Gino Smith. Yeah. Okay. So dunes a nine, seven and Xavier worthy 9.8. And what's a better value at this point? You know what? I'm going to stop asking it. Rishi rice questions because there's just too much up in the air. Uncertainty. Yeah. Caleb Williams is the next rookie after a dunes a and Xavier worthy,

but we'll stick with the wide receivers. Brian Thomas goes at 10.6. That's just after Jacoby Myers and Tyler Lockett. Okay. I kind of thought that Thomas would go ahead of Adunze. He did not. Do you think, Dave, is this a steal? What do you think?

And Brian Thomas went 10.6. Christian Kirk went five rounds earlier. Well, Kirk's going to go ahead of Thomas. Yes, of course. In every draft, even non-PPR. Brian Thomas went 10.6. Christian Kirk went five rounds earlier. Well, Kirk's going to go ahead of Thomas in every draft, even non-PPR. That's just going to be the case. Ingram's going to go ahead of Brian Thomas as well. I almost feel like Brian Thomas is that type of receiver we've seen 100 times before where he's got that great speed. We know that he can do more than just run the nine route.

But the potential for him to lead the team in targets and to be a real difference maker for fantasy teams just isn't there. He's more of one of those best ball type of wide receivers where, yeah, he's going to have five great weeks. You don't know when they're going to be. And then he's going to have eight crappy weeks. You don't know when they're going to be. And then he's going to have eight crappy weeks. You don't know when they're going to be. I tend to stay away from those types of receivers. I think there's a little bit more upside with Worthy as an example, just because of the situation with Rice, the quarterback that he plays in, the offense that he's in, and the fact that Worthy. Dan, you might correct me on this one, but I think Worthy might be a little bit closer to a complete receiver than brian thomas's i completely agree with that statement i think he's definitely closer

to a complete receiver brian's i don't i want to not bury brian thomas i think in his career he can evolve in a lot of ways but when i watched his film he very much so ran two routes the entire felt like the entire season and benefited a lot from that system and from college football being the way it is with the rules with the hash marks it doesn't mean he's not a six foot whatever guy who runs a four three four and can eventually be that great receiver that they draft him to be but i'm kind of with you and worthy to me was way closer along the lines of like the henry ruggs style which was more of a complete receiver than people remember i know he's obviously not in the NFL.

He had horrible. We need a better comparison than Henry Ruggs. Just from on the field. I mean, then, then those typical, just for two guys like a John Ross who burns, who just runs the good 40 and runs the vertical. John Ross,

Ted Ginn. He's not that, he's not along those lines. He's tough over the middle. He makes those catches. My issue with worthy is the same issue I had with rice last year. I just don't know. It's so hard to learn that Chiefs system,

and it's so hard to get on the field if you don't know that Chiefs system inside out. He's Darius, Tony, Sky, Moore. I know Rasheed Rice bucked the trend. I understand that, but I still just think about that in the back of my head when it comes to anyone drafted by the Chiefs. Okay.

Roman Wilson went right after Brian Thomas, two picks after Brian Thomas, two picks after Brian Thomas. And then that was you, right, Jamie? Yeah. Yeah. So would you have taken Wilson ahead of Brian Thomas? No. More upside with Thomas.

Would you have taken Wilson ahead of Josh Palmer, Jacoby Myers, Tyler Lockett as they went before him? Yes. The only thing that I changed after this was I moved Leggett over Wilson because I regretted that one. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay.

All right. So more wide receivers come off the board, not until round 12. We're in round 10 right now. Then we have a little bit of a break. And then round 12, we get Malachi Corley of the Jets, San Francisco's Ricky Pearsall,

Denver's Troy Franklin, New England's Jalen Polk. Carolina's Xavier Leggett. Caroliners? Caroliners. And that was... Nothing could be fine. Pearsall's going to be an interesting one

because he could be somebody that sways a lot of early drafts if something happens to the 49ers receivers. I mean, isn't it crazy that Leggett was the last of the rookie receivers taken? That's what I was talking about yesterday. He's getting no respect right now. He should go ahead of Pearsall as of now. And Corley.

I would take him ahead of Corley. I don't know. Really? Yeah. I wasn't really feeling Corley. I don't know. It feels like a gadget player in year one to me personally. He is, but it's a gadget player from a 40-year-old quarterback

who's going to check it down a lot. They also said that about Randall Cobb when he first came to the Packers and immediately kind of hit the ground running with Rodgers based on their style of play and their similar type prospects. Leguette, I understand why it might seem bad that he's falling this far, but we've got to remember that Panthers passing game, I know we're expecting this big step, but I kind of need to see it before I believe it when it comes to Bryce Young, that offensive line.

And that could be just another disaster passing game situation there. I almost feel like, um, not Ricky Pierce. So who was the guy who we mentioned? Oh, the two guys I like the most that I feel like fell in this draft personally are Jalen Polk, who had really good draft capital and really, really good tape in 2022 played 2023 hurt. And I think that's a big factor there could be locked in as a number one target. If Drake may ascends and people, you know, people expect he needs all this time to sit.

I'm not so sold on that. If he plays week one, that could be, we're talking about like way more targets than anyone. We've just mentioned the last eight receivers, same situation, same argument for me would be for, why am I missing that? Troy Franklin. For Troy Franklin, exactly. Same argument, same situation for me were both those two receivers.

I thought those were the best values of maybe the last six, seven, eight receivers we named. How about the rookie running backs? So starting after Brooks, who went in round six, the very end of round six, we have Arizona's Trey Benson. Love that pick. So that's the same guy who took Jonathan Brooks, I believe, right? Yes, that would be Zach.

He took Jonathan Brooks in round six and Trey Benson in round eight. I got to say. That'd be Zach's best draft, by the way. I don't love them as my Arby's two and three. Did you just say Zach had the best draft? No, this might be Zach's best draft. Okay the way. I don't love them as my Arby's two and three. Did you just say Zach had the best draft? No, this might be Zach's best draft. Oh, okay. That's much better.

I never want to give Zach that much credit. He started Lamb. He had the second pick. He started Lamb, Devontae Adams, Drake London, then Josh Allen in round four as QB2. Mahomes went with 37th overall to Dave as QB1. Then DeAndre Swift, Jonathan Brooks, Jaden Reed, and Trey Benson and Devin Singletary.

So his running backs are Swift, Brooks, Benson, Singletary, Gibson, and Estime. All right, back to this. Benson goes after Ezekiel Elliott, Brian Robinson, and Nick Chubb. Benson goes before Raheem Mostert, Chase Brown, and Devin Singletary. Benson also goes about two and a half rounds after his teammate, James Conner. Dave was RB35, second to last pick of round eight. Good value for Trey Benson. I think it's right where you should expect him to go.

Maybe there should be a couple of running backs that were taken out of him. Probably shouldn't have been. I'm still not sold that Zeke's going to be the main guy in Dallas Maybe there should be a couple of running backs that were taken out of him. Probably shouldn't have been. I'm still not sold that Zeke's going to be the main guy in Dallas and that he'll be a part-time running back who can still matter for fantasy on a week-to-week basis, but doesn't have crazy upside. I think Trey Benson has crazy upside knowing that he could immediately fit in to a part-time role in Arizona. And then inevitably when James Conner misses some time, it's Benson to take off. That's a team that's obviously gotten better as far as their passing game goes. It'll keep the safeties from dropping down. I think their O-line depth got better too. So this is a spot that I think Benson can thrive in. Just needs the opportunity. You're waiting on that.

Getting them in round eight sounds fine. I think you know what you're getting. You're getting a high-o octane running back who you're just, you know, tapping on your watch saying, when's it going to happen? How can you take them ahead of Raheem Mostert though? Between a 32 over a 32 year old running back who's splitting three ways. I do. I think it depends on what you need. If you need a running back who can begin the season as a starter,

that that's not a good role for Ty benson in fantasy we don't know if you go with your rb most are just absolutely the target hell yeah he had to be a better target dan because dan's got the oldest roster there's that too you want to draft a bunch of old dudes you know a comment team i've seen throughout the show jamie is maybe an ageist i think i feel i've heard a Jamie is maybe an ageist. I feel I've heard a lot. Oh, definitely an ageist. Okay. Maybe. Okay. Interesting. Jamie, no,

that is a big thing for Jamie this year. He is out with the old. Out with the old. The weirdest thing is that Dan is the youngest guy on the show today.

I drafted the oldest team maybe that I've ever drafted. I have a personal question. I was just surprised that you let me get Derek Henry around three. I appreciate that. I didn't want to.

The only reason I did it because I couldn't do every single draft I drafted Derek Henry.ry why you might end up looking like a genius i think i will end up looking like a genius but i have a personal question for dan and i i think it might be an inappropriate question dave we were talking about it off the air um about uh about his dating life yes no not about his dating life? Yes. Not about his dating life. It's nothing, nothing sexual, but a nighttime. Where the hell is this going? I'm just going to ask it.

I'm just going to ask it. Cause I have reached the age now. God, do you wake up in the middle of the night to pee? Oh, that's nothing inappropriate about that. Uh, no,

he sits on the toilet during the show. What do you think? He's peeing right now. No, I'm not at that age yet. Thank God. Okay. on the toilet during the show. What do you think? Right. He's peeing right now. No, I'm not at that age yet. Thank God. Okay. You're not far from it. I'm not at that age yet.

You don't do that. I do. I almost every night now. Honestly, Adam, I'd be a little concerned if I were you. You seem a little young to be doing that. Let me just be honest. Maybe because I don't sleep, but that could be part of it. You seem a little bit young.

You don't sleep ever, Jamie? Oh, that's a bigger issue. It is a bigger issue. It's going to catch up to him. Um, all right. Other running backs, other running backs here.

Let's see. Okay. So, uh, at the end of round 10, I mean, unbelievable. We only have two rookie running backs come off the board before the ninth

pick of round 10 in a 12 team league. Jalen Wright of the dolphins. Then Blake Corum is the next pick. And then Bucky Irving. So Jalen Wright of the dolphins, Blake Corum of the next pick. And then Bucky Irving. So Jalen Wright of the Dolphins, Blake Corum of the Rams, just in case you've forgotten where these guys are going.

Bucky Irving of the Bucs, Ray Davis of the Bills, Marshawn Lloyd of the Packers. And oh, and the last was, no, there were three more. Tyrone Tracy of the Giants, Kamani Vidal of the Chargers, Audrick Estime of the Broncos.

We are going to talk a lot about Tyrone Tracy next week on Beyond the Box score. Jacob Gibbs is very high on him. Dan seems to be as well. But Dave, when you look at Jalen Wright, Blake Corum, Bucky Irving, a little bit of a break. Then Ray Davis, Marshawn Lloyd,

a little bit of a break. Then Tyrone Tracy, Kamani videl audrick estimae any good or bad value standing out there you're playing darts i think everybody understands that i i think i've got corm at the head of that list just because of what mcveigh said about him the role that he could eventually have in LA, the role that he might start the season out with in LA could be pretty good too. I, I think right is kind of in that same vein as Trey Benson. You're just waiting for the opportunity and you're hoping it comes sooner

than later because one of the guys that is ahead of right on the depth chart is 32 years old and missed time toward the end of the year last year. And I got a feeling that Tyrone Tracy could end up mattering too. I think he's talented. I think the Giants probably have good purpose for how they can use him and how his competition for playing time is Devin Singletary. Devin played great last year. I think it's because of the offense he was in. I don't think it's necessarily because of things that Devin Singletary himself did. He got a great opportunity. He did a good

job with it. He helped give Houston a rushing presence. I am nervous about anybody having a great rushing presence in New York, but Tracy is a converted wide receiver who can make plays through the air and be a short area target for Daniel Jones. That's proven to be a pretty good thing in the past. Do you think that if James Cook gets hurt, Ray Davis becomes the bills starting running back? Yeah. I mean, there's certainly the potential for that.

I think they would, but I think they'll still use two dudes. Yeah. They'll just resign. I think they'd either get Murray or maybe Dalvin Cook or a veteran or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they still have Ty Johnson. Right. My hunch is that, I think they'd either get Murray or maybe Dalvin Cook or a veteran or something like that. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, they still have Ty Johnson. Right. My hunch is that, and we saw this once Joe Brady took over most weeks, the second running back had at least seven carries. And like three weeks, that running back had 10 plus carries. So Cook got a lot of work. It's part of the reason why we're drafting Cook early. Right. But I think they want somebody who can be a change up to cook Davis fits that profile. He he's a, he could be a very good pass protector.

And I think he could be a very good pass catcher too. That's something that's in his profile. But I think the one area where Davis could really make an impact is in rushing touchdowns and getting work at the goal line. And in, in Buffalo, that means like two touchdowns over the course of the year for a running back, two whole touchdowns because you know, Josh Allen does his thing, but that short yardage role could go to him. And so that'll get them on the field a little bit more. I think I don't love drafting Davis.

He was one of my favorite guys at the senior bowl, but even if James Cook goes down, I don't know for sure that he's going to be the 15 carry guy. And it could be a split where two guys are 10 and 10. I just, I'm not ready to go after Ray Davis. There's a bunch of other Tracy. I'm taking ahead of him. Come on.

He Vidal Marshawn Lloyd. I'm taking ahead of him. Any other rookies? One more question. One more question. Yeah. Bucky. I'm taking ahead of him. Yeah. I might even take Braylon Allen ahead of him. Most of theseies one more question one more question yeah yeah bucky i'm taking ahead of him yeah i might even take graylin allen ahead of him most of these guys went ahead okay if the

starter gets hurt which rookie running back is the most likely to like the top three top three most likely to be a 15 plus touch per game guy if the starter gets hurt, not including Jonathan Brooks. He's in a different class. Benson's going to be number one. Benson, of course. Yeah, I figured. Coram. Coram is going to be number one.

Coram might get more work than Benson. And here I'll throw a sleeper into that because I think he's built to have this kind of role, and I don't love the competition ahead of him, but Audrick Estimate of the Broncos would be another one I would put in that mix. I'd put Marshawn Lloyd probably third. I don't know that Lloyd will ever have that role personally. I love him too. I think he's explosive, but that, that full workhorse role, I don't know. If this is the Packers running back

room where it's Jacobs, Dylan, and Lloyd, I can't help, but think this coaching staff has seen enough of AJ Dylan. They'll be reminded of it if they put Dylan on the team. Then why bring him back? My guess is that it was a cheap veteran deal. At the time, they didn't have a running back, did they? It was before they...

They got Dylan back after Jacobs was... I'll see how much he's going to get paid this year. I might put Dylan Wright just with the upside. If he gets on the field, he may never come off. Man, I wish that would be the case. All right, guys, listen. He's guaranteed to make $167,500.

That was a signing bonus for a one-year deal. Not much. They can cut A.J. Dillon, I think. We'll have a new conversation if we do, but right now he's on the team. I think you can assume that Lloyd will be higher on the depth chart than Dillon, I think. Well, we'll have a new conversation if we do, but right now he's on the team. I think you can assume that Lloyd will be higher on the depth chart than Dillon. I don't think that Jamie was necessarily disputing that. It was the 15-plus touches.

Right. And this is what you have to consider. Do I waste a pick on a running back who's not even a true handcuff if the starter gets hurt? I mean, you think about some of the guys we got excited about last year. You brought this up previously, Adam. Kendra Miller, injury played a part, but thinking on the field,

there were two guys in front of him with Kamara and Williams. And at the time, Kamara was facing a suspension following the NFL draft. Tank Bigsby, I know Dan was a big fan. Yeah, I missed that one. That was another situation where we get excited about these guys because you hear coaches saying they want to take some work off the starter's plate and it doesn't materialize. I'm trying to think.

There was a couple others that stood out. Roshon Johnson was the most popular. Oh, Roshon Johnson, another great example. Yeah. And he had his chances. There were opportunities for them to give him more work, and it just didn't work. Right, but his situation also. He got hurt at the wrong time.

He got hurt at the same time Killer Herbert got hurt. He had the concussion. Herbert had the ankle injury. We didn't get to see him on the field when he got hurt at the wrong time. He got hurt at the same time Killer Herbert got hurt. He had the concussion. Herbert had the ankle injury. We didn't get to see him on the field when he had the chance to do so. And Deontay Foreman, you know, sort of handled everything like he typically does. So, yeah, I mean, you know, there's going to be a handful of these guys that we say, oh, if this, if that, and they just may not be that good, which is why they fell in draft. Listen, I got a tennis game in an hour I got to get to here because I'm in training.

I'm in training because I'm going to, you better be in training. Here's the egregious comment. I told Schneier that. No, no, no, no. Let me tell it my way. Okay. We're on a zoom call. It's an FFT meeting.

We're going over important plans for FFT future. And I just see this little smirk on Adam's face and I could see confidence building in his eyes. I know he's about to say something that is going to be egregious in my mind because I just can tell. I know Adam by this point. I've learned how to read him. So he says, Schneier, guess what? You better get ready because this summer I'm going to kick your – and he doesn't curse on the air, so I'll just do a blurb out here.

Kick your beep in tennis. I'm talking about 6-0-6-1, he said. He said the words 6-0-6-1. I don't think I said that. I'm talking about six Oh six one. He said, he said the words six Oh six. I don't want to say that. I said, you wouldn't. Yes,

you did. I said, you may not win a game. Oh, even worse. You said you may not win a game, one game. And I told him this,

Adam, here's my promise to you. I am too addicted to golf at this point to play tennis anymore. So you are going to get a fresh, having not picked up a racket the entire summer. And I am going to do that purposely because I know that despite not picking up a racket all summer, I will beat you in tennis and it won't be close.

It'll be, I'm not going to go six Oh six one, because I'm not going to be playing the sport, but six, three, six, two, that's the range you're looking at.

You'll be lucky to get those two games. Thank you. Dan, this would have been so much better if you had just said nothing and said yeah you're probably right and then gone out there i know i realized that i i i spilled the beans onto him and i had played tennis in my past i should have never done that i should have been like i just think i'm an athlete you have the 10 sports for the decathlon you guys are gonna do oh it's in there for sure it's like the only one he thinks he has that's

the only one he might tennis is the only sport we should even play. It is the ultimate one-on-one sport. Basketball, tennis, running, jumping. I think the funny thing is if we did a little mini combine, people would laugh a lot watching that. If somebody videotaped us trying to do the vertical jump and the broad

jump. Round of golf or mini golf? Round of golf. Pigeon putt. Golf's not really a sport, so I'm not counting that. Oh, it's a sport. All right. We got to go, everybody. Thanks to Dan Schneier for joining us. Oh, now we get to the home run inning contest

that Adam's a big softball player. Singles hitting contest. Thanks to Dave and Jamie and Thomas as well. We'll see you on Monday. We'll have a podcast Monday morning. And then again, 2 p.m. Eastern, CBS Sports Network. Have a great weekend, everyone.