Fantasy Football Today - New Dynasty Rankings! Plus RB Signings and T.Y. Hilton Talk (03/25 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: March 25, 2021

Let's start with the news from around the NFL. The Falcons, Bears and Jets all signed RBs (2:42), but will Mike Davis, Damien Williams or Tevin Coleman have a chance to be starters? And what do we thi...nk about T.Y. Hilton back for another year in Indianapolis (10:50)? And oh, the Fantasy Cops return (16:50)! ... Starting our dynasty discussion with a quick overview of what changed since free agency began (21:00). Then we get into QBs (22:40) and address the Deshaun Watson situation and why ranking Tua Tagovailoa is challenging. At RB (28:02), would you rather have Aaron Jones or D'Andre Swift? Is Heath too high on Josh Jacobs? Where is James Robinson (35:55) ... WR dynasty talk (37:50) as Heath has Juju Smith-Schuster at #12 and Curtis Samuel is a big riser. And where did the new Patriots TEs end up in the updated dynasty rankings (46:40)? Is Mark Andrews actually underrated in dynasty? ... Your Apple Podcast questions (54:30) and your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Subscribe to the FFT in 5 podcast on Apple, Spotify, Google, or wherever you listen to FFT. Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @CTowersCBS, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Want winning picks each morning in under 10 minutes? Subscribe to 'The Early Edge: A Daily SportsLine Betting Podcast' on Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever else you listen to podcasts. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:16 Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. We have discussed free agency from every angle except for one, Dynasty. Today is a Dynasty show, and that's kind of Heath's thing, so we will spend at least six to eight minutes on Dynasty today. No, we'll spend more than that. Welcome to the show.
Starting point is 00:01:40 We've got big running back news. We've got the Bears, the Falcons, the Jets all signing running backs. T.Y. Hilton is back with the Colts. I'm excited to do the show today, guys. It's like 70 degrees outside. Spring is here. I'm in a good mood. Good morning, Dave and Jamie. What in the world? Jamie's not even here. Oh my God. Like all of that, you were nailing it. The Dynasty joke was good. I had some responses i was saying man i
Starting point is 00:02:06 missed 70 degrees because it's like 100 here today um and i already said we do six to eight minutes we'll probably pass our off-season record for our most dynasty content because we already did one show um but now all i can think about is how you called me jamie no actually i called you dave i called dave jamie so i got it both wrong i do this all the time. It's all good, Frank. It's all good. Yeah, actually, I'll be on with Frank and Chris and Scott tonight, 11 p.m. Eastern. You'll hear it tomorrow. I hope they remember your name. I don't know why they're having me on. I know anything about baseball right now, but listen to Fantasy Baseball today. I am sorry. Heath and Dave are here. I can't believe it, Adam. We are going to talk. I can't believe it, Adam. We are going to
Starting point is 00:02:45 talk. You are a professional host. You at least should know the names of the people that you're on the podcast with. What show out there changes the talents as frequently as ours? You know, I can't keep up with it anymore. Well, anyway, we have a special guest. I'm chalking this up to you being a dad and your kids driving you crazy. I have heard the same. Because I called you the other day and you had to abruptly end the phone call. It was an important phone call because you had peanut butter. I think you had peanut butter all over your hands because you were dealing with your children. And last night I was on the phone with my dad and my son spilled a bag of vegetables.
Starting point is 00:03:21 And this morning I've heard the same song about 10 times because it was demanded and i yeah it was going crazy so thank you dave i will take that excuse special guest coming on the show today the fantasy cops are back for the first time in a long time all right let's get to the big news we'll do the news first and then we will do uh the dynasty rankings so are you sure yes Yes, I am. Okay. All right. Let's see.
Starting point is 00:03:47 We'll see how it goes. All right. The Falcon signed Mike Davis, two years, five and a half million. The bears signed Damian Williams, one year deal. And the jet signed Tevin Coleman.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Let's start with that. We'll do James White, T Y Hilton later. We have Kyle Rudolph news too. But Heath. Yes. What's the biggest news here mike davis damian williams tevin coleman i don't know that by the time we get to may any of these will be particularly big news but this i would say like my main takeaway is that for me ito smith and michael p ryan are no longer um pop or not popular attractive double digit round picks as sleeper running backs and now
Starting point is 00:04:36 mike davis and tevin coleman are a little bit more attractive in that range and if somehow the falcons and jets don't add a running back in the draft, then this becomes a little bit more interesting, but I really don't think Mike Davis or Tevin Coleman is going to be a starting running back in 2021. Dave, what's the most interesting thing for you? I think there's a couple of interesting things with each one of these
Starting point is 00:05:01 running backs. First of all, Tevin Coleman, that signing makes sense. He knows what this offense is supposed to look like in New York. It's the same type of offense. At least we think it'll be the same type of offense that we saw in San Francisco. Coleman has been familiar with Kyle Shanahan. He's worked with him a bunch of times over his career. Now he's working with the Shanahan disciple. He should be able to get at least a piece of
Starting point is 00:05:22 that rushing workload. I agree with Heath. That's a good late round pick and michael p ryan really never showed a whole heck of a lot over the course of last season um i fully expect the jets to add another running back along the way probably in the draft probably in the fifth round and that guy will end up being the best running back in new york uh chicago damian williams that one's tough's tough because Williams is a very serviceable, solid running back, a very good backup running back who when put into a pinch and uses a starter, he's been exceptional. We've seen it before. We saw it in the playoffs a few years back, and injuries have kind of slowed him down. Last year, he didn't play because he opted out due to COVID. I seriously believe that he will compete for a role in that offense. It's another mouth to feed taking work away from David Montgomery. So anybody who thought that David Montgomery was going to get the workload that he had last year, you already knew it wasn't going to happen because Tariq Cohen was coming back. Now you've got Damian Williams in there too. I'm not a hundred percent sure he'll make the team, but I think if he does, that's a
Starting point is 00:06:24 problem. That could be five touches per game that go away from both Cohen and David Montgomery. It makes Montgomery less appealing to me in fantasy drafts. And Mike Davis proved last year he's a good serviceable backup running back. When put into a big role, he can handle it. We saw it. Good versatility. I think the Falcons are going to value that. Arthur Smith has made the most of all of his running backs that he's had. Really, he's only had one that we care about in Derrick Henry. But my guess is that this is a sign of the type of running back that Atlanta wants to get in the draft. Physical, versatile, strong, and that means Najee Harris. And I wonder if they're going to target Najee Harris with their first- round pick to solidify that backfield.
Starting point is 00:07:08 Davis would be the backup guy. Harris, who's a lot like Derrick Henry, could be the lead guy there. It would be an amazing fit for fantasy and a great fit for Atlanta as well and for Harris to get a good roll right out of the gate. Let's see if that happens. I just realized that all three of these backs were
Starting point is 00:07:26 basically familiarity um ads mike davis was with dave ragone in chicago a couple years ago damian williams right yeah damian williams that's the one i wasn't sure about but that one in kansas city um so all of them to me look like good depth backs that understand what the team wants to do that will be very instructive to the younger starters. Yeah, Tevin Coleman, remember a couple years ago he had 11 carries, 105 yards, three touchdowns, and a receiving touchdown. He had a four-touchdown game against Carolina.
Starting point is 00:08:03 That was week seven of 2019. He has played 16 games since then, and he has been really bad. 94 carries, 265 yards, one touchdown, 17 catches in those 16 games. That's not even three yards per carry, is it? 2.82 yards per carry. So he has really fallen off.
Starting point is 00:08:22 He has been in a lot of good backfields, and almost every year he's been worse than someone else. He's always been worse than Devontae Freeman, worse than Raheem Mostert, worse than Jeff Wilson. I don't know that Tevin Coleman's a very good running back, and they gave him up to $2.5 million. They didn't pay him. Nobody's getting starters money here.
Starting point is 00:08:43 As far as David Montgomery goes, let's say you had David Montgomery in a dynasty alert, in a dynasty league, and all three of these running backs have been out there. I feel like Damian Williams is the one you would have wanted the least as competition. I would rather him be duking it out with Mike Davis or Tevin Coleman than Damian Williams.
Starting point is 00:09:04 I wouldn't be thrilled about him. Dave, you were Damian Williams. I wouldn't be thrilled about him. Dave, you were talking about. I wouldn't be thrilled about this if I had David Montgomery. No, because it's another body in that backfield. Assuming that he sticks with the final roster. I don't know if I agree with your assessment that he's the one that I'd be most nervous about. Mike Davis was pretty good last year, but I believe Davis Montgomery showed a backfield at one point. A unique situation there.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Ended up not being there for a while. So I guess Montgomery ousted them. It's a good depth move by Chicago. Remember last year, there were points where when they took Montgomery off the field, they were just miserable at running, but they had Lamar Miller on their roster. They needed depth there. And I think that's what Damian Williams is going to potentially bring. This will end the Cordero Patterson experiment probably as a running back maybe. But I really don't think any of these three running backs... I did downgrade Montgomery a little bit because I think this signals the Bears might not give him quite as much work as I was expecting. Of course.
Starting point is 00:09:59 But I don't think any of these three running backs are legitimately competing with David Montgomery. They're going to get a certain amount of the touches. Tariq Cohen's going to get a certain amount of the touches, but David Montgomery's going to get 250 touches. That's fair. But if we fast, if we rewound one year ago and I just said, who's a better running back, Damian Williams or David Montgomery? I'm guessing we would have said Damian Williams. I think we would have said we don't know. Maybe, but we would have said Damian Williams. I think we would have said, we don't know.
Starting point is 00:10:26 Maybe, but we still may not know. Well, at the time, Clyde Edwards, he layer was not on the chiefs. Damian Williams. There wasn't really a question of like whether or not Damian Williams would
Starting point is 00:10:36 play for literally going a year ago from right now. Yeah. Yeah. I might've said that we might've said Damian Williams. Well, when you say better running back, I assume you're saying most talented running back. I did not mean fantasy.
Starting point is 00:10:46 We didn't think very highly of David Montgomery. I thought you meant fantasy. And we did like Damian Williams, you know? We did. He couldn't stay healthy. He's had one year in his career with more than 50 carries. He's probably best suited in a complementary role. But I would have said immediately,
Starting point is 00:11:01 we're comparing Damian Williams on the Chiefs to David Montgomery behind maybe the worst offensive line in football in 2019 or one of. That's not a fair comparison at all. So Montgomery, the last six games of the year, he was the number two running back at non-PPR, number one in PPR. He had 116 carries in those six games. That's a 309 carry pace. Other Bears running backs combined for 27 carries. So he was obviously a major workhorse.
Starting point is 00:11:29 And those 27 carries included one game where Cordero Patterson had 10. You remove that, and it basically was all Montgomery all the time for the most part. So, yeah, maybe a little bit more of a split. But like I said, these are not starter contracts given out here. And as Heath said, these are depth signings with familiarity. So let's go to T.Y. Hilton. And he signed a one-year deal, $10 million with the Colts.
Starting point is 00:11:55 He did not finish as a top 40 wide receiver, though he finished strong. Last six games, he was top 12 in PPR. He was sixth in non-PPR. Heath, what do you think about T.Y. Hilton? Do you have him in your top 40? Last six games, he was top 12 in PPR. He was sixth in non-PPR. Heath, what do you think about T.Y. Hilton? Do you have him in your top 40? Last year, he was 41st overall.
Starting point is 00:12:12 Do you have him in your top 40? When I ran my projections this morning, it actually came out to number 40 at wide receiver. So once the draft happens, he may not be a top 40 wide receiver. It wasn't just last year. If you remember, he was miserable in 10 games in 2019, and we blamed that on Jacoby Brissett. Then he had Phillip Rivers last year, and for most of the season was miserable again.
Starting point is 00:12:36 His 16-game pace over the past two seasons, 65 catches, 808 yards, six touchdowns. That's a 16-game pace. That's absolutely terrible. I don't really have a great degree of confidence as to whether Carson Wentz is better or worse for T.Y. Hilton and Phillip Rivers. I'm not sure it really matters. Mostly, I didn't like this because I was starting to get kind of excited about the opportunity Michael Pittman could have as the number one wide receiver. Now I kind of project it as a 1A, 1B situation with neither of them in my top 36. It's possible that T.Y. Hilton could still be a good value on draft day if everybody just thinks that he's done. But for the most part, I don't plan on drafting him. I put
Starting point is 00:13:22 a poll out on Twitter this morning asking what he's worth to somebody in terms of a 2021 rookie pick. And a majority of the answers said no better than a fourth round rookie pick, which is basically worthless. Okay. And Dave, give me your quick thoughts on James White back with the Patriots for one year, two and a half million dollars. I think that it's going to continue to sting the values of the running backs in New England. We know that they love to mix and match Damian Harris. We may never see your best games while you're wearing a Patriots uni because Cam's there. He's going to steal touchdowns. James White's there. He's going to steal catches. It's great for the Patriots and their offense and their offense should be pretty good, but they are going to diversify like a,
Starting point is 00:14:09 like a nerdy stockbroker. And you're going to see them be very frustrating at every position. So maybe quarterback, I'm not sure about that one yet in fantasy, people are going to have a hard time trusting cam Newton, but if you draft them as a backup and you see what happens after the first month of the season, maybe you'll be happy. But everybody else in that offense, it's going to be way good one week, terrible for three weeks. You're not going to want to trust that guy. And then I don't know where they'll have a big game. So it's going to be tough with all the Patriots players. And that'll include obviously running backs. It's been that way for a long time. One thing I found interesting when I was going through the team pass rates and where they threw the ball last year, I think we had the impression that because Cam was there, the Patriots went away from throwing to the running backs.
Starting point is 00:14:52 They didn't throw at all. But when they did throw, they actually still led the NFL last year in the percentage of their targets that went to running backs. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:01 Interesting. Yeah. Okay. And Kyle Rudolph has... But not a lot of that went to Damian Harris, unfortunately. okay and Kyle Rudolph has but not a lot of that went to Damian Harris unfortunately
Starting point is 00:15:07 no Kyle Rudolph has a foot issue so the deal with the Giants might be in a little bit of jeopardy I don't think so
Starting point is 00:15:14 I think it's gonna it seems that way it seems that way I think it's gonna stick okay I think it's like they signed it I think
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Starting point is 00:17:13 Oh, that's sick. But it seems like a bizarre hoax. Developing story. I mean, imagine the allergies. Well, keep an eye on it. It was disgusting. All right, more news and notes real quick. The Eagles signed Joe Flacco.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Marcus Mariota took a pay cut. Tampa Bay gave a couple of contracts out. Left tackle Donovan Smith got a two-year extension. Ndamukong Su, defensive tackle, one-year deal worth up to $10 million. Washington is checking in on Nikhil Harry's availability. Seattle signed a couple of... They need a tight end.
Starting point is 00:17:42 Signed a couple of defensive ends. One of them is a re-signing of Benson-Mioa. And they also signed Kerry Heider to a three-year $16.5 million deal. They got to upgrade their pass rush. And Denver re-signed Kareem Jackson a safety. Oh, yeah. Here we go. The fantasy cops are back for the first time in months.
Starting point is 00:18:05 This fantasy cops question is a Dynasty question. It is from Radenclaw. Or Radenclaw. I don't know. And he says, he says, We are allowed to keep two players each season that cost a round higher than what they were drafted the year before. And we can't keep anyone drafted in rounds one, two, or three. And we can also trade for future picks once or a future pick once a season.
Starting point is 00:18:36 So just before our trade deadline in November, I went to a manager in our league that I knew was a huge Saints fan. And I offered him a very lopsided deal, if Adam may say so, Michael Thomas and a 12th round pick for his Calvin Ridley and a first round pick. Now, keep in mind, Michael Thomas couldn't even be kept because he was a round one, two, three pick, and Calvin Ridley was a round four pick, so he could be kept. So he would give up Thomas and a 12th round. And Calvin Ridley was a round four pick, so he could be kept. So he would give up Thomas and a 12th round pick for Calvin Ridley and a first round pick.
Starting point is 00:19:07 I figured we would go back and forth a bit and settle on the trade straight up without the first round pick. Instead, he countered with giving me Ridley and his first for Michael Thomas and my fifth round pick.
Starting point is 00:19:19 Of course, I smashed accept because not only is that such a no-brainer in redraft, but Ridley is a keeper. Okay, I'm sorry. This is not a Dynasty question. This is not a dynasty question this is just a question is this an ethics question yeah it is i'm waiting for the ethics part okay i won my league but now many of the guys and my co-commissioner are upset about how lopsided the deal was since michael thomas didn't have any fantasy relevance at all and can't be kept well i ran away with the championship and set myself up really well for
Starting point is 00:19:44 next season coming off the championship i set myself up really well for next season coming off the championship. I said, if they all felt really strongly about it, I would consider making the pick a second rounder instead of a first rounder. Uh, the pick that he's getting back.
Starting point is 00:19:55 They want me to forfeit the draft pick altogether. And for me to just be satisfied with having Ridley as a keeper. But I think that's too far. Uh, what do you guys think? He doesn't want to be a jerk and have anyone quit over the league. People are really angry about this.
Starting point is 00:20:10 Well, where were they when the trade went down in the first place? Because that's the time... First of all, if you're in a big boy league, everybody is consenting. When you make a trade,
Starting point is 00:20:20 everybody should trust that everybody else is doing the best for their team and that it's not a collusion-like situation. I don't think this is it at all since there was a counterproposal. And it doesn't seem like someone's cheating to help someone else. So if that's the situation, when there's a lopsided deal, people need to raise the red flag then and there saying, whoa, wait a minute, this doesn't seem like a good deal. If you complain about it after the fact, and we're talking four or five months after the fact,
Starting point is 00:20:50 you're out of luck, man. The deal is done. It has happened. It's official. It's in stone. The commissioner should get to keep his pick. Yeah, I want to clarify a couple things. First off, I'd like to know if the guy who accepted the deal knew that he couldn't keep Michael Thomas. So that would be interesting. But also, this trade took place in November. Michael Thomas
Starting point is 00:21:15 did play like six games after that. So he wasn't irrelevant for fantasy purposes that year. Calvin Ridley was actually, I believe, currently hurt when the trade took place. He did not play the week this trade was made. You can't, like, what are we trying to do? You're a detective now.
Starting point is 00:21:35 This is really a fantasy detective. Fixing a trade that happened six months ago that obviously we can see there was some mechanism of thinking on both parts. No. I wouldn't do anything. And if people are going to be all, wow, on the deal and they're going to quit the league, then I don't think you should placate them and make the trade different. If anything,
Starting point is 00:21:58 create a new rule that says, alright, everybody's got 24 hours to veto a trade. And if they don't like it, then there's the trade's final. The trade stands. The fantasy detectives have spoken. All right. Good stuff, guys.
Starting point is 00:22:12 Let's go to the Dynasty ranking segment now. Okay. So Heath just published new Dynasty rankings. We'll pick and choose some things. But, you know, I guess the major overall theme here is how free agency impacted Dynasty rankings. So I picked some free agency related things and some that weren't to talk about Heath, but I'll give you the floor and what you want to start with.
Starting point is 00:22:30 And based on free agency, I don't know the biggest movers and shakers in your dynasty rankings. Well, we talked about this on FFT and five a little bit. I was very encouraged by the fact that Aaron Jones stayed in green Bay has some security for the next three years, and isn't currently sharing with a pass-catching running back. Yes, A.J. Dillon might steal more touchdowns than Jamal Williams did.
Starting point is 00:22:53 Might. But he's not going to get the targets that Jamal Williams did. So I was very excited about him. There were a couple of quarterbacks who were kind of, in the words or initials of Al Melchior DTM, dead to me, for dynasty purposes, that have kind of come back a little
Starting point is 00:23:11 bit. I'm more interested in rostering Daniel Jones than I was. I'm more interested in rostering Cam Newton than I was. On the flip side, I think the Kenny Galladay thing was really terrible for everyone in New York besides Daniel Jones. Including Kenny Galladay thing was really terrible for everyone in New York besides Daniel Jones. Including Kenny Galladay? I didn't really know.
Starting point is 00:23:32 I don't know that there's a huge impact there because I don't see New York as a place that's going to give 140 targets to a number one wide receiver, but Galladay's never been that guy anyway. Okay. All right. So then let's take a look at a few things here. I think it's time to just address Deshaun Watson because I've gotten a couple questions. What do I do with Deshaun Watson right now? So many accusations out there
Starting point is 00:23:52 and it's troubling. And then you've got the trade rumors hovering over him and whatnot. He went down from five to seven in your rankings. Not a huge drop by any means, but significant to move down two spots. And I mean, would anybody even look to acquire? I mean, is he just hands off right now? rankings. Not a huge drop by any means, but significant to move down two spots.
Starting point is 00:24:08 Would anybody even look to acquire him? Is he just hands-off right now? He's got to be. He's got to be because of what's going on with the lawsuit. He hasn't been traded by now. The top reporter of the Texans in Houston still expects him to be traded, but his value is getting killed. We don't know what his future is. I'm assuming that's why he's moved down to seventh for Heath, and he could move down even more. And remember, there's also a situation that could play out where they go to court with all these cases.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Maybe he's innocent, as he's professing to be, yet he still stays with Houston. And now you look at the talent around him in Houston, it's not that great. I'm not sure if Deshaun Watson can be a great quarterback in another year in Houston compared to what he's been before. So there isn't a lot of upside today with Deshaun Watson. Now, these cases get dismissed before the draft.
Starting point is 00:24:59 Deshaun Watson's traded. He ends up in Miami. He's reunited with Will Fuller. Of course, his value is going to bounce back. But it's hard to see that happening anytime soon and the drop from five to seven is is much bigger than it sounds I'm getting ready to finish up the trade chart today and I've got values associated with all the players and Watson's currently closer to number 10 than he is to number six so like he was someone who i really considered in the same range as kyler lamar and josh allen my number two three and four quarterbacks and i kind of viewed them as almost interchangeable and now he's more like interchangeable with guys like
Starting point is 00:25:39 jalen hertz who i do still think like long, there's enormous upside for both of those guys. But we have very little reason for certainty about what we're going to get from them in 2021. And you move Justin Herbert and Dak Prescott ahead of Deshaun Watson. He's still one spot ahead of Russell Wilson, then Joe Burrow, then Jalen Hurts. But you can see the trade chart that Heath is referring to to get a better sense of where these guys are. Yeah, I'm looking at your rankings now. I don't know if you want to talk any further. I don't think we have to go into Daniel Jones or Cam Newton much more.
Starting point is 00:26:13 Cam Newton's 20th, Daniel Jones' 15th. Tuataka Bailoa, 11th. That's pretty high. Yeah. There's a giant drop from number 10 to number 11 in those values. And I, I, like, I really would say now after what's going on recently with Watson, I would say there's like Patrick Mahomes is in a tier of his own. And then you've got Kyler Lamar and Josh Allen, and then you've got Dak and Herbert, and there's a pretty good drop to Watson, Wilson, and Burrow and Hurts for me. And then there's just... I don't have... Aaron Rodgers is right there
Starting point is 00:26:52 with Tua. For a win-now team, he's obviously much, much higher than Tua, but what is his long-term future? How many more years is he playing football? How many more years is he in Green Bay with Devontae Adams? And just last year at this time it kind of looked like aaron rogers skills were deteriorating obviously that's not the case but it could look like that again this year
Starting point is 00:27:15 i i struggle like i agree to a seems a little bit high at number 11 and he probably won't be number 11 once trevor lawrence is officially in the dynasty rankings but i struggle with like who in the teens or 20s i would put ahead of him okay who in the teens and 20 you would put ahead of tua like not baker mayfield or daniel jones matthew stafford and ryan tannah, I would rather have this year, but they're mid-30s with kind of uncertain futures. It's a good question. It's almost like those are quarterbacks that could have, you could look at it and say, all right, three, four more years, they should be fine.
Starting point is 00:27:56 They should still be in the league. If Tua has a bad year in 2021, what happens to him in 2022? Very, very true. But also, I don't really see a lot of hope that Stafford or Tannehill or Baker Mayfield make a leap. And we're heading into next year viewing them as top eight dynasty quarterbacks at their age. That's fair to say. There's a chance that Tua does.
Starting point is 00:28:28 Right. And I guess that's why he's ahead of them because he's got the potential. Yeah, if he stinks in 2021, he could be on the bench in 2022. But if he's good in 2021, he might be good in 2031.
Starting point is 00:28:40 He could just keep it rolling. Tua also just got the best receiver in football, statistically speaking. And JK, just a callback to a joke from a few shows ago. And we'll probably get, that's Will Fuller, and we'll probably get a wide receiver in the NFL draft as well. So, yeah, maybe 11's too low.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Maybe he should be like third, Heath. Think about it. Okay, dynasty running back rankings here. Let's see what stood out in the dynasty running back. Well, Aaron Jones is up big. He's up from 14th to 7th. He already talked about that a little while ago, but a big jump for Aaron Jones.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Still behind DeAndre Swift, which I thought was interesting. Have we seen enough for DeAndre Swift? He's number five for you in your dynasty running back rankings to put him ahead of Aaron Jones. I guess we have that. Like I, I understand the argument against that. I think this position is the one where it's the easiest to overvalue youth
Starting point is 00:29:38 because for most of them, you were thinking you've basically got until age 28. Well, for Aaron Jones, that means the windows open open for three more years, we hope. For DeAndre Swift, that means the window's open for six more years. That's a pretty enormous difference. I thought he was maybe the second best back, third best back coming into this year. When they gave him the ball, he looked awesome last year.
Starting point is 00:30:04 I love his offensive coordinator situation. I don't worry so much about Jamal Williams. Obviously, there's not going to be a 300-touch situation. It doesn't look like for Swift, but I don't know that he needs that because he's awesome. Dave, who would you rather have in Dynasty, DeAndre Swift or Aaron Jones? If I'm trying to win a championship this year, it's Jones. This year, next year, my window is open.
Starting point is 00:30:27 I want the running back who's hitting his prime on a competitive team. That's Jones. If I'm not, anything short of that, I'd rather have Swift. And I think that Swift is going to be a good back in the league for a while. I like his pass-catching props. I like the upside that his short yardage touchdown production showed us as a rookie. And the Lions aren't going to be terrible forever. I know they kind of have been terrible forever, but there's a really good opportunity for DeAndre Swift to be a staple in that offense for the next three to five seasons.
Starting point is 00:31:00 So if I'm looking long term, Swift is who I want. If I'm trying to win now, it's Jones. Dave, without having rankings in front of you, where in your mind do you think you would have Josh Jacobs in Dynasty running back rankings? I am glad you brought him up because I was doing research on that Raiders backfield before the show today that if I have time, I can get to.
Starting point is 00:31:22 But I think he'd be behind both of these running backs. I'm nervous. But how far behind think he'd be behind both of these running backs. I'm nervous. But how far behind? Because he is behind both of them. But, you know, are we talking? At least. I mean, so what numbers are Swift and Jones in your rankings, Heath? Swift is five.
Starting point is 00:31:38 Jones is seven. Okay. So Jacobs might not even be like 10. He might be like 12. He might be 14. He'd be down a little bit. And the reason why I say that is because the addition of Kenyon Drake continues to make me squeamish about Jacobs.
Starting point is 00:31:54 We already know that he's just the Raiders in two seasons never committed to him as a pass catching back. And he was terrible in short yardage situation last year. 31% conversion on goal to go from three yards or closer. Drake was pretty good. He was over 50% on one yard to go from the end zone, but overall he was like 42%. So it just made the signing even more of a head scratcher,
Starting point is 00:32:18 but maybe Drake was signed to bring back some of that passing down work that we saw from him prior to last year, maybe to be a battering ram at the goal line. Those are two areas that Josh Jacobs should be dominating as a former first-round pick who had those types of skills when he was at Alabama. And now I'm nervous about him being a full-time workhorse back. And if you're not a full-time workhorse back, I don't care how young you are, you're not going to be ranked highly in
Starting point is 00:32:45 anybody's rankings. So I'm kind of nervous about Jacobs. And if I can find somebody who's not in my Dynasty League, I think I'm trying to trade him. I think I'm trying to get maybe a mid-first-round pick in the rookie platform. Call Heath, because Heath is pretty high on him.
Starting point is 00:33:01 I will. I feel like the past couple years, I've maybe been a little bit lower than everybody else on Josh Jacobs, but it's for the reason that I didn't really think he was the full-time feature back. Now, he's been very good
Starting point is 00:33:18 for the most part when he's touched the football, but I still see a soon-to-be to be 23 year old who just turned 23, but it will be 20 age 23 season. And he's already shown the ability without playing even 60% of the snaps to be a top 12 fantasy running back. He's shown two years in a row that he's a top 15 guy, even without the 50 catch thing that we like to look for. I don't think Kenyon Drake's going to come in and be like a 50-50 split.
Starting point is 00:33:50 I don't know that Jacobs sees a lot less work than he has the past two seasons. What are the Raiders seeing? Let me just say, he's got him eighth in the rankings. It goes, McCaffrey, Dynasty rankings, McCaffrey, Dynasty rankings, McCaffrey,
Starting point is 00:34:05 Barkley, Cook, Jonathan Taylor, Swift, Kamara, Jones, Jacobs, Zeke,
Starting point is 00:34:11 Miles Sanders, Derek Henry, J.K. Dobbins, Cam Akers, Joe Mixon, Austin Eckler, James Robinson, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:34:18 Nick Chubb, by the way, 17th. That's pretty interesting. Yeah, like, why is Nick Chubb 17th and Josh Jacobs is 8th? You know, similar situations. Hunt probably going to have a bigger role than Drake. But Chubb is better than Josh Jacobs, I think.
Starting point is 00:34:37 I think Chubb is one of the few elite running backs in the NFL. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. But, yeah, it's a big gap there. All right, Dave, I'm sorry I cut you off though, but yeah, he's got him eighth. That really struck me because everybody is killing the Raiders. They don't understand
Starting point is 00:34:52 why they did this. They give away their offensive line. They give pretty big money to a backup running back, and it sucks for Josh Jacobs, we think. Heath doesn't seem to be as bothered by it. Well, he... Sorry, go ahead. That's my bad. Well, do you want me to answer that? Do you want Dave to continue
Starting point is 00:35:07 or me to answer the Nick Chubb thing? I want Dave to continue and then I want you to answer the Nick Chubb thing. Okay. I think you've got the optimistic side and the pessimistic side on Josh Jacobs. And not that Kenyon Drake is going to come in and be a 50-50 guy,
Starting point is 00:35:23 but what if he does work in short yardage situations and take Jacobs? I mean, yeah, Jacobs is already off the field in a lot of passing down situations to begin with. Maybe that continues to happen. And what happens if Jacobs takes a step back this year, maybe because of the offensive line? And now the coaches say, well, we probably can't count on him for even 15 touches per game. And we've got Drake, and we'll see what Drake can do. Drake gives the Raiders coaching staff options because they may not have liked Devontae Booker enough last year to go in and take work away from Jacobs consistently when Jacobs wasn't
Starting point is 00:35:59 playing well. There was a game here or there where Jacobs wasn't doing great, and Devontae Booker might have seen a little bit more playing time than normal. But I'm nervous about this move. I'm nervous about Jacobs and fantasy, and the offensive line doesn't help at all. The offensive line doesn't help. The difference for me between Jacobs and Chubb,
Starting point is 00:36:19 and it's a couple things. One, all of these rankings are based on full PPR leagues, and while Jacobs doesn't do a lot in the passing game, I do think he's going to catch more passes than Nick Chubb. Couple things. One, all of these rankings are based on full PPR leagues. And while Jacobs doesn't do a lot in the passing game, I do think he's going to catch more passes than Nick Chubb. Two, I think Kareem Hunt is a bigger threat than Kenyon Drake is. Now, Kareem Hunt's not a very big threat to keeping Nick Chubb from being a borderline top 12 running back, but I do think Kareem Hunt's going to be more involved
Starting point is 00:36:41 than Kenyon Drake personally. That's the way I'm projecting it. And three, Josh Jacobs is two years younger than Nick Chubb. Okay. Okay. Well, we're going to take a break here. And when we come back... Wait, are there other running back topics I wanted to get to here
Starting point is 00:36:55 before we take a break? James Robinson. James Robinson, yes. Down from 8th to 17th for James Robinson. After this, we're going to take a break. After the draft, if it's just him and Carlos Hyde, then that may revert. But I was a little bit stubborn, I think, early in the year in ignoring people's worries about Jacksonville adding running back depth.
Starting point is 00:37:22 And when they are actually talking about adding a running back to compliment him and not having him on the field all the time and then you factor in obviously his um like no cost to them to move on I I just got a little bit more concerned so there's a a wide a big group of running backs that are close in value in that range. And a small change had a major impact. All right. And I think I'm still higher on than the consensus in terms of dynasty ranking on James Robinson at 17. We're going to take a break now.
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Starting point is 00:39:14 So in terms of free agency, Juju Smith-Schuster, I noticed still in your top 12. Talk about that. He's ahead of CeeDee Lamb, DJ Moore, Keenan Allen. Juju still in your top 12. What this really comes down to, and I've had some Twitter fights about this already, but
Starting point is 00:39:33 I don't believe that the eight yards per catch that Juju averaged last year is 8.6, is more indicative of what he'll do in the future than what he'd done the three years prior and i know that antonio brown had a huge impact on his first two seasons but in 2019 he played with atrocious quarterback play and through injuries and still averaged 13.1 yards per catch and 7.9 yards per target. That collapsed last year in a really, I feel like it was a dumb passing offense where they just threw the ball three yards every time.
Starting point is 00:40:14 It was so dumb. They didn't get hit. It was the worst. But I just don't think that that's what he's going to continue to be. I'm not factoring in his 2017, 2018 efficiency as much as I have in the past, but I'm still factoring in 2018 a little bit because it's within the last three years. And that's the way that I approach things. He's still just 24 years old. He's still younger and always will be than Deontay Johnson. He has demonstrated 1400 yard upside. You give me a 24 year old wide receiver that has that type of production in his recent
Starting point is 00:40:51 past coming off of a bad year like that. And I'm still very interested in him. Yeah. At the very least, he's going to be a serviceable starting wide receiver in the national football league for the next five plus years. Just because he didn't get a monster deal in free agency this year doesn't mean that he's not going to have a job. But you've got to call him what he is at this point, which is volume-driven. And even if the volume eventually goes down, I think you're right. The yards per catch can go up. Last year, not
Starting point is 00:41:21 necessarily indicative of that. But is he getting pigeonholed into being a slot receiver? Is he going to be a possession receiver for the rest of his life? He's not going to be known as a big play guy. He's just going to be a nice big target that can gobble up catches.
Starting point is 00:41:35 I'm going to take issue with that every time you say it because before last year... Because you've seen him have a couple of 97-yard plays. He's probably the only player in NFL history with two 97... He's got to be one of the only ones
Starting point is 00:41:44 with two 97-yard touchdown catches. He's obviously capable only player in NFL history with two 97. He's got to be one of the only ones with two 97 yard touchdown catches. He's obviously capable of making big plays. Well, any receiver is capable of making, but he's more capable. He's he, you know, like if he can get out of the slot and I do think that's a big deal because
Starting point is 00:41:57 he was almost exclusively a slot receiver last year. And, and that sucks. But also he was on a team that didn't throw the ball downfield. And that also sucks, but he said, you know, he signed a one-year deal. So I just think to have him in the top 12, I mean, I kind of,
Starting point is 00:42:11 I guess I kind of disagree with a couple of things or something that both of you are saying. To have him in the top 12, I just don't know where his future is. He's in a one-year deal with a team that is really shaky right now, could have a really bad offensive line and maybe a bad quarterback,
Starting point is 00:42:26 and he could be third in targets for all we know. But then again, where is he in 2022? And then Dave, I just don't think he's what you're saying that he is, which is just dependent on volume and basically not a big play threat at all. I think he's proven that he's better than what he was last year. He can make big plays when he does something after the catch. Breaks a tackle, gets into open space, but
Starting point is 00:42:48 you can say that about almost any receiver in the National Football League when they break a tackle. Yeah, but he's done it. That's the thing. It's not just breaking tackles. He can outrun people. I went back and I watched those touchdown catches. He's
Starting point is 00:43:02 burning guys. He had a 76-yard touchdown in 2019. That means something to me. From Mason Rudolph. And he was credited with zero broken tackles that year. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Maybe that means nothing. Maybe it's just... Well, you know what?
Starting point is 00:43:17 Like, Devontae Adams is credited with like two or three broken tackles this year. That's true. It's a stat that means almost nothing for wide receivers. So, I don't know. I just... I do not think that Juju Smith-Huster... Except when a receiver does it a lot that means almost nothing for wide receivers. So I don't know. I just, I do not think that Juju Smith-Schuster- Except when a receiver does it a lot, then it matters for wide receivers. I don't think that Juju Smith-Schuster
Starting point is 00:43:32 is what he was last year. But if they continue to play him exclusively in the slot, it's going to take away his big play capability. How many more years do you think Juju Smith-Schuster, forget about the teams he's on, how many more years do you think he can get north of 50 catches? As many as he plays in the NFL. Alright, what about 70 catches?
Starting point is 00:43:51 Seven? Yeah. I mean, that's the whole thing, is that we all agree that there's going to be high volume for him, where there's volume, there's fantasy production. I don't necessarily agree that he's a top 12 dynasty receiver, but he shouldn't be shoved in the 20s by any stretch.
Starting point is 00:44:08 And he should not be a sell. He's a sneaky buy in dynasty is what he is. Yeah, because I would guess the consensus on Juju is closer to 20 than 12. No, he should be somewhere in between. Okay. 16. 16? Sure. 16 works.
Starting point is 00:44:23 I'm on our rankings page page or your rankings page with the dynasty stories and there's a fft video playing in the corner and like chris's cat is just everywhere like all i've been seeing uh okay elsewhere in the wide receiver rankings uh this is not free agency related, but tell me why you moved DK Metcalf and Justin Jefferson ahead of Calvin Ridley. I saw that on the list and I was uncomfortable with discussing it.
Starting point is 00:44:58 Well, that's not really good. That's bad, probably. I don't have have i did not have any intentional like they are all within a fraction of a percent of value of each other okay so i i don't have any um good answer for you sorry that was awful that's okay curtis samuel up from 49 to 35 big Big jump for Curtis Samuel. I was really, first off, wide receiver is so deep. There's like 130 receivers listed. So a jump that big at any other position would be much more significant than a jump that big at wide receiver. But I was concerned about how Curtis Samuel would be viewed.
Starting point is 00:45:43 I know that the industry's always loved him and he's always been a popular breakout candidate probably could be again, but he's basically had six good games in four years in the NFL. And he still hasn't had a season that you would look at the whole season and say, as a receiver, he had a good year. The fact that he went to Washington where he can be a complimentary piece to Terry McLaurin and which I think is his best role. He's not going to be a number one. And he has Ryan Fitzpatrick, at least in year one, throwing the ball to him. I'm encouraged. I think this
Starting point is 00:46:12 another familiarity signing, but it's a coaching staff that knew him and wanted him and knows how to use him. So I'm more encouraged about Samuel. Dave, if you look at the rankings here, Samuel 35, then let me tell you the five guys right after him. Mecole Hardman, 36. LaVisca Chenault at 37. Michael Pittman, 38. Jalen Rager, Michael Gallup. So Hardman, Chenault, Pittman, Rager, Gallup
Starting point is 00:46:39 right after Curtis Samuel. What do you think? Pittman should be ahead of Samuel. I think Rager should be ahead of Samuel too, because I just think there's more upside for those two guys to become wide receiver ones for their team versus Curtis Samuel becoming the wide receiver one for Washington
Starting point is 00:46:54 or whoever he plays for after Washington. And maybe, I don't know if I can really say the same thing for LaVisca at this point. They added Marvin Jones. Chark for now is still on the roster. They could always add another receiver in the draft. I don't know if I feel really good about Visca becoming a number one receiver for Jacksonville.
Starting point is 00:47:14 That would be a close one. Maybe I would lean toward age there and put LaVisca ahead of Curtis Samuel too, but that one's close. Okay, great. And Dave, there are actually, Heath lied a little bit. He said there were 130 people ranked at wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:47:29 There are 128. Which future Hall of Famer checks in at 128 in Heath's dynasty wide receiver rankings? Larry Fitzgerald. Correct. Correct. Okay, let's look at tight end, Heath.
Starting point is 00:47:42 What's the one thing you want to highlight here with your tight end rankings I mean it's probably the fall of Hunter Henry and Evan Ingram both I don't know how Evan Ingram could have possibly had a worse offseason I guess he could get
Starting point is 00:47:58 cut and nobody could sign him and he could just not be able to play football anymore but they brought in Kyle Rudolph they brought in Kenny Galladay. They still have Daniel Jones. And Saquon's coming back. And Ingram's not even like, we talked about this on FFT in five as well.
Starting point is 00:48:16 Ingram's not even someone who's young enough that we could say, but look at that upside and his athletic ability and the potential of what he could be. He's going to be 27 years old at the start of this year he's still athletic prime he's still and he hasn't shown his prime yet um he's shown it in spurts sure so he showed his athleticism the guy right behind him tyler higby has shown it in spurts as well yeah well no tyler he showed it in spurts unlike anything evan ingram's ever showed it in spurtts as well. Well, no. Tyler Higby showed it in spurts. Unlike anything Evan Ingram's ever said. He showed it in spurts.
Starting point is 00:48:47 I mean, the drops just kill Ingram's stats. You know? Yeah. And that's, unfortunately, a part of being a good tight end in fantasy football is catching the ball. It's not just that. How many downfield routes did he run last year?
Starting point is 00:49:05 Certainly for the first half of the year, he wasn't running a lot of them. What's his injury history? Oh, yeah, that's another huge thing. And how does Jason Garrett use tight ends? He uses them four yards away from the line of scrimmage because he had Jason Witten for two decades. Now he's got two of them.
Starting point is 00:49:19 All right, well, you have Johnnie Smith and Hunter Henry back-to-back. Henry 15, Smith 16. So, yeah. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Smith was 16. Now he's 14.
Starting point is 00:49:33 Henry is 15. So Smith moves up two spots. Henry drops from 9 to 15. And that's one. I believe Johnnie Smith actually was a bigger priority to the Patriots than Hunter Henry was. Hunter Henry talked about how he was disappointed when they signed smith because he thought that meant they were out on him and then they went and signed him as well um henry definitely has the better production i project them almost identically but i think it's a coin flip right now which one's going to be better and I'm leaning towards the guy that the Patriots made a bigger priority.
Starting point is 00:50:07 Back to back, so understandable there. Travis Kelsey up from four to three. I think last time we spoke, he was fourth. This is another one of those situations where I think it probably had to do, like he and Waller are so terribly close. I think it had to do with a small change to Waller's 2021 projection. I think the more interesting thing that seems no one else in the world agrees with is that I have Mark Andrews at number two at tight end,
Starting point is 00:50:36 and he's the consensus number four. And I ran a Twitter poll yesterday asking who should be number one with Kittle, Andrews, and Travis Kelsey. And Andrews got 3% of the vote. The other two had like 45. But I do want to get the Mark Andrews stat out there. He is the fourth tight end since 2000 to have 2,000 receiving yards and 20 receiving touchdowns in his first three years in the NFL. And he's 25.
Starting point is 00:51:08 And he's 25. You know who the first three tight ends to accomplish that feat are? Gronk. That is correct. Tony Gonzalez. No, since 2000. Oh, since 2000. What was his stat?
Starting point is 00:51:24 Jimmy Graham? 2,000 yards, 20 touchdowns in their first three years. Gronk, Jimmy Graham are correct. Greg Olson. Much better. Much better than that. You weren't far off on Tony Gonzalez. He's just a couple
Starting point is 00:51:40 years younger. I don't know. Gates was before. No, Gates was after 2000. I don't know. Gates was before. No, Gates was after Wright. Gates is the answer. Yeah, Jimmy Graham, Antonio Gates, and Rob Gronkowski, and now Mark Andrews.
Starting point is 00:51:52 I think Andrews, he's closer to Kittle at number one for me than he is to Kelsey at number three. And for what it's worth, the fact that the Ravens haven't made a big splash at receiver and free agency. They are going to draft someone. I think they will
Starting point is 00:52:08 too, but I don't know if that's necessarily... The thing that bothers me the most about Ingram is that he's not an every-down player. I'd like to see him become an every-down player. Andrews. Yeah, that's what I meant to say. Andrews. Yeah, we know Kelsey. Yeah, his production went way up after Nick Boyle got
Starting point is 00:52:23 hurt last year, which really shouldn't be something that we have to say, right? Nick Boyle shouldn't be the reason why Mark Andrews struggles, but that was interesting. Yeah. He was pretty disappointing, I mean, last year.
Starting point is 00:52:40 I think people who drafted Mark Andrews as high as they did last year were disappointed with the results. Not as bad as the people who drafted Zach Ertz, but the people who drafted Andrews were probably unhappy. But that doesn't mean that he's going to be that way every year of his career. Heath, what you said about what he's done in his first few seasons, that's huge. And I don't think he's going away anytime soon. Okay, let me see if I have...
Starting point is 00:53:01 Yeah, so I was trying to say he was disappointing before the injury, but he was still on pace for 10 touchdowns. Okay, so it was eight games with Nick Boyle, and his pace was 52 catches. This was his pace, not what he actually did. 52 catches, 594 yards, 10 touchdowns, and on pace for only 88 targets. Without Nick Boyle, he played six games.
Starting point is 00:53:27 This includes the game in which Boyle left with an injury. He was on pace for 117 targets, 85 catches, almost 1,100 yards, only five touchdowns. So the touchdowns were better. That's fluky, whatever. But you're talking about on pace for 52 catches with Boyle, 85 without him. 594 catches with Boyle, yards with Boyle, 1,077 yards without him. 88 targets with Boyle, 117 without him. And I think that was with Lamar Jackson actually. Yeah, it was with Lamar Jackson throwing three fewer passes per game without Nick Boyle. But he was better with Nick Boyle when Hayden Hurst was there.
Starting point is 00:54:06 So if he has Hayden Hurst and Nick Boyle, he's awesome. If he doesn't have either one, he's okay. I think it shows that his 2019 season was statistically fluky, which we knew going in because Lamar Jackson's season was statistically fluky with the touchdown rate.
Starting point is 00:54:21 You know? The touchdown, yes. He's not going to have a 10% touchdown rate, but he might have an 8% touchdown rate. You know? The touchdown, yes. He's not going to have a 10% touchdown rate, but he might have an 8% touchdown rate. Elite tight ends do that. And like the fluky 2019, he was on pace for 105 targets, 68 catches, 909 yards.
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Starting point is 00:55:54 but you're really off your game if it took you that long. Yeah, I know, I know. 12-team PPR dynasty trade advice. Give Mark Andrews. Get Marvin Jones and pick 105. Mark Andrews for Marvin Jones and the
Starting point is 00:56:10 fifth pick in the draft. He also has Herb Smith, Blake Jarwin, and Harrison Bryant, and he has the seventh pick, so he would have fifth and seventh here. I'm in because of the tight end depth that you've got. You can help out.
Starting point is 00:56:26 You can help yourself out at another position with that 105 pick. Yeah, I it's the, the 105 and Mark Andrews are very, very close. This, when I did finish the trade chart this week, I'm going to break it out.
Starting point is 00:56:40 I've currently got Andrews in between an early 21 21st and a mid 2021 first. Um, but I think the fifth pick is going to be about a push. Marvin Jones doesn't have a lot of, a lot of dynasty value, but he's a fine tiebreaker. And you could with one Oh five or one Oh seven,
Starting point is 00:56:56 maybe one Oh seven. You could get Kyle pits in there. So sure. Place that tight end from a winter's nine. How would you rank the following heading into 2021 in a full ppr dynasty league cam acres antonio gibson deandre swift i've got it swift and then acres and then gibson with acresers closer to Gibson than he is to Swift? I'll say I love Cam Akers long-term.
Starting point is 00:57:34 I like Swift too. PPR, I've been leaning towards Swift this whole time. I'm going to stick with that. So Swift, then very closely behind Akers, and then Gibson pretty closely behind them too. From LambGT91, keep two in PPR. Travis Kelsey in the second? closely behind Akers and then Gibson pretty closely behind them too. From lamb GT 91, keep two in PPR, Travis Kelsey in the second,
Starting point is 00:57:50 Jonathan Taylor in the third, Miles Sanders in the eighth, JK Dobbins in the ninth. So it's keep two PPR, Kelsey in the second, Taylor in the third, Sanders in the eighth, Dobbins in the ninth.
Starting point is 00:58:05 If you can keep them long-term, I'm keeping Taylor Sanders in the eighth Dobbins in the ninth. If you can keep them long-term, I'm keeping Taylor in the third and Dobbins in the ninth. If it's only for one year, I'm going to go with Kelsey and Taylor. I will go with Taylor and Sanders. All right. So you're keeping Jonathan Taylor for sure. Let's read some emails here.
Starting point is 00:58:22 This is from Dan. Dan is from where Dave Saugatuck, Michigan. Let's read some emails here. This is from Dan. Dan is from where, Dave? Saugatuck, Michigan. Good job. Hi, Gus, Josh, Scott, and George. No idea. Gus, Josh, Scott, and George. Okay, full PPR.
Starting point is 00:58:40 Keep two. Drafting from the eighth spot this year. It is a three-flex league. Interesting. One running back, two wide receivers, three flex, and a tight end. So keep two. Second round, Travis Kelsey and Lamar Jackson. Both in their final keeper years.
Starting point is 00:58:58 Fourth round, A.J. Brown. It's PPR. Fifth round, Terry McLaurin. Twelfth round, Antonio Gibson. Hmm. And we're keeping two of these guys, right? Yeah. Kelsey and Jackson in their final years, they're in the second round.
Starting point is 00:59:18 AJ Brown in the fourth, McLaurin in the fifth, Gibson in the 12th. They can be kept for two years. AJ, I mean, AJ Brown like the first one for me. I mean, Gibson. Gibson around 12, yeah. Yeah, for two years? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:59:34 That's awesome. Brown and Gibson? I think I'm going to go Brown and Gibson. Jamie? I thought maybe it was Gus Farratt and Josh Freeman, and I was trying to see if I could link them together with Scott Mitchell, but unable to make that connection. So now I'm going to actually look at the question.
Starting point is 00:59:55 And a full PPR two-keeper, I'm keeping Antonio Gibson, and I am keeping Travis? No. AJ Brown. There you go. Okay, this is from Ty Witt in a town 10 miles south of Fairbanks, Alaska. Let's go with South Van Horn.
Starting point is 01:00:21 Okay, it's actually North Pole, Alaska. Dear Urban, Fred, Oscar, and Stephanie. Urban, Fred, Oscar. Are these Myers? I don't know. Those are Myers. Oscar Meyer. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:00:33 Urban Meyer. Fred Myers. Stephanie Myers. Okay, I don't know all of them. 14-team. Josh. Yeah, it's... Sorry.
Starting point is 01:00:42 14-team Dynasty League. PPR. One quarterback. I have the first two picks in the rookie draft. Oh, cool. I want to draft Chase and Harris, but my only quarterbacks are Wentz and Mayfield. It's 14 teams, one quarterback.
Starting point is 01:01:01 Do I consider drafting Trevor Lawrence? Do I trade down somehow and look to get a QB that way? Do I stick with Wentz and Mayfield and draft a stud running back and receiver? What do you think? I'm looking over his roster. He's got DJ Moore, AJ Brown, Terry McLaurin, Lockett, Mims, Chenault, Gallup. He's pretty good at wide receiver.
Starting point is 01:01:20 I don't know if he necessarily has to go and get one of Chase, Waddle, or Smith. His running backs are Jacob, Jacobs, cream hunt, Chase Edmonds, Zach Moss, Daryl Henderson. He needs a running back. He could probably use a tight end too, Gusecki and Irv Smith. Maybe not. Maybe he can wait a year on tight end. I'm good with spending the first pick on Harris. Harris is going to be my favorite running back in the draft class. And then if you can trade down from two to about
Starting point is 01:01:46 five through seven, you can get Trevor Lawrence there. I think that sets up your team for the best. Yeah. And if you miss Trevor Lawrence, then just take Kyle Pitts. I think one of those two will be there. If Trevor Lawrence isn't there at five, then that means you can get one of those.
Starting point is 01:02:01 You probably can't get ETN. But you could get a stud wide receiver if you'd like. Or yeah, Pitts. Okay. And this is from Roy W. I'm not sure who I should keep this upcoming season. 12 team league with a linear draft. I pick 10th.
Starting point is 01:02:20 It's kind of a tight end premium league. Tight ends get one point per reception after five catches. The rest is non-PPR. We have to keep three, but can keep a fourth in place of our first round pick. So since I picked 10th, I'm keeping four players from the list below.
Starting point is 01:02:38 So he's keeping Mahomes. Pick three more. Kareem Hunt, Jeff Wilson, Devontae Adams, Travis Kelsey, Cam Akers, Chase Edem Hunt, Jeff Wilson, Devante Adams, Travis Kelsey, Cam Akers, Chase Edmonds, James Robinson. I'm just going to limit it. Adams,
Starting point is 01:02:52 Kelsey, Akers, James Robinson. I think you got to pick three of them. Not T.Y. Hilton? That's on the list? Gabriel Davis. I forgot. This ain't easy because he's got to pick from Adams, Kelsey acres and Robinson, three of them.
Starting point is 01:03:09 And Kelsey has to be one of them. Kelsey has one of them because of the tight end premium. And I know it doesn't seem like it's that much of a tight end premium because it's a point per reception after five catches. But if you've got a tight end that can routinely get five plus catches a game that gives you an edge at that position. Kelsey is that guy. It's Adams for sure, too.
Starting point is 01:03:32 Why? It's non-PPR. Keep that in mind. Why is it Adams instead of Akers and Robinson? I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just having the conversation. Yeah, I think there's enough uncertainty with acres and robinson that adams is going to be a probably 1300 yard double digit touchdown guy okay so you guys give me three names let's go i'm i i'm going to agree i'm going to say that adams goes with kelsey and i'll put acres there too i'll put acres and less until we know for
Starting point is 01:04:04 sure what's going on in Jacksonville. Yeah. If you can decide after the draft and Jacksonville doesn't draft a running back, then I'd go Robinson over acres. But I agree. I might go acres and Robinson over Adams.
Starting point is 01:04:14 If that happens. Okay. This is from Dylan in Chicago. I mean, cause it sounds like you can keep those guys forever. Dylan in Chicago last year was the first time I got into fantasy. I played in a PPR league. I went to the championship,
Starting point is 01:04:27 and also I was given a Dynasty standard scoring team from a friend that's been going on for a few years. So the last Dynasty rookie draft, I unknowingly nailed it with Dobbins, Justin Jefferson, and A.J. Dillon. But I didn't understand Dynasty, and not thinking about how anything worked, I dropped Jefferson and A.J. Dillon.
Starting point is 01:04:44 So I don't make that mistake again. Can you please help me decide who to drop from the team to prepare for the next rookie draft? Is there anyone who you would keep from this list that I am considering dropping? Kiki Cutie, Marquise Brown, Mike Davis, J.D. McKissick, Tim Patrick, Devante Parker, Logan Thomas, and Russell Gage.
Starting point is 01:05:03 Oh, man. I am the Jack Nicholson gif going, no, no, no, with Marquise Brown. Please hang on to Marquise Brown. Agreed. I think you can make the case for dropping literally everybody else. I don't know if I'm going to be in such a huge hurry to drop Devante Parker from a Dynasty League.
Starting point is 01:05:22 Maybe Logan Thomas, depending on what your tight end situation is, and JD McKissick, just in case he ends up being serviceable again. Parker from a dynasty league. Maybe Logan Thomas, depending on what your tight end situation is. And JD McKissick, just in case he ends up being serviceable again. Well, but if you, if you're tight on roster spots, drop the Pittsburgh DST,
Starting point is 01:05:34 you don't need to DST. So keep it. And that DST is headed in the wrong direction. Yeah. Keep Marquise Brown, man. Like it's so weird to drop Devante Parker and Logan Thomas in a dynasty league, but that's probably drop Justin Tucker.
Starting point is 01:05:50 I would drop your kicker personally, but I don't know. I mean, you don't have to keep a legal roster during this period. True. All right. So if you're going to choose between one Parker or Logan Thomas, who are you keeping? Parker.
Starting point is 01:06:02 Parker. Last question. A very long show today. This is from anything to get out of working with your kids right adam oh no i love miss my kids no uh except i'm gonna have to listen to weezer over and over and over again for the next hour that's the song my name is jonas okay couldn't couldn't wait to hear it all day most parents of kids under the age of five are listening to far more irritating songs than that song i i remember he uh he doesn't listen to those songs he listens to rock of course he doesn't he's your kid and i remember last year i
Starting point is 01:06:38 was trying to sing him like twinkle twinkle little star or something and he interrupts me he goes want poker face and i had to sing a poker face. All right. I don't know who this is from. So, dear Blade, Laser, Blazer, and Michelle, I'd say top 10 sports movie for sure. Dodgeball. I finished third in my startup dynasty league last year. Do I trade one of my running backs?
Starting point is 01:07:03 10 team, half PPR. It's super flex. I've got Miles Sanders, Dobbins, Jonathan Taylor, James Robinson, Kareem Hunt, Rashad Penny, Naeem Hines, and A.J. Dillon. Hey. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:17 Yes, you can trade one of them. Well, what about the rest of his team? Is he thin at any other position? I'm looking at... Yes. Quarterback. He's got Patrick Mahomes at quarterback. It's hard to be thin at that position.
Starting point is 01:07:28 He's the super flex league. Okay. He's got Taysom Hill, Sam Darnold, and Gardner Minshew, so he may not have a starting quarterback at super flex. But he's got a rookie draft coming up. He does. His receivers are Ridley, Galladay, and then crap. Pittman, Rager.
Starting point is 01:07:51 I would try to trade Hunt and A.J. Dillon for a quarterback and wide receiver. Or one good quarterback slash wide receiver and then use your rookie pick, assuming you have one, to fill the other position that you don't get in the trade. He says he could trade Miles Sanders for Keenan Allen. Would you do that? No.
Starting point is 01:08:13 I don't think I'm doing that. Okay. Alright, thanks for the emails, everybody. Thanks for hanging around. Can I get a pick with Keenan Allen? Can I get a first-round pick with Keenan Allen for Miles Sanders? I'm doing that. If it's a second-round pick with Keenan Allen for Miles Sanders? I'm doing that. If it's a second-round pick,
Starting point is 01:08:26 if it's an early second-round pick, I might do that. Thanks for hanging around for a long show. And thanks to Dave and Heath and Jamie, why not, for being here today.
Starting point is 01:08:37 We will talk to you on Monday with another edition of Fantasy Football Today. Everybody enjoy your weekend. If you want to hear some running back scouting reports, that's on Fantasy Football Today in five. See ya. If you want to hear some running back scouting reports, that's on Fantasy Football Today
Starting point is 01:08:46 in five. See ya. Ypsilanti. Ypsilanti. There you go.

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