Fantasy Football Today - NFL Draft Day One Recap; A.J. Brown and Marquise Brown Traded (04/29 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 29, 2022

What a night in the NFL! We had nine trades on Day One including ones that sent Marquise Brown to Arizona and A.J. Brown to Philadelphia. We start with the best draft pick for Fantasy purposes (5:00) and then talk about the two marquee wide receiver trades. We play "Value up, down or the same" for all of the Titans, Eagles, Cardinals and Ravens affected by the trades (12:00) ... Let's rank the rookie wide receivers in both redraft (25:35) and dynasty (32:30). Is Treylon Burks ready to be a #1 WR? Can Marcus Mariota make Drake London a Fantasy starter? Then we'll go through some updated WR rankings (36:50) and talk about Kenny Pickett's impact on the Steelers passing game (37:40) ... Which veterans were winners or losers on Thursday night? We talk about Allen Lazard, Juju Smith-Schuster and more. Then we give our general thoughts on Day One of the NFL Draft (49:10) including the offensive linemen who were selected ... Email us at [e-mail] Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. This is touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck. Welcome to the day one recap of the NFL Draft and what a day it was. We had nine trades. We had Marquise Brown. Nine trades. Nine tie. A player was traded. I don't remember there being nine trades. The first five picks were all defensive players. Six wide

receivers were drafted in round one, but none by Green Bay and none by Kansas City. A.J. Brown was traded. Marquise Brown was traded, and only one quarterback was drafted, and the craziness will continue on Friday, which is today, when the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are on the clock

with the first pick of round two. Welcome to the show. Adam Azer and Dave Richard here. Jamie Eisenberg is on CBS Sports HQ. He will be joining us very shortly. We're going to rank the rookie wide receivers. We're going to talk about everything, obviously, everything you need to know.

But I think a lot of time is going to be spent on Marquise Brown going to Arizona and A.J. Brown going to Philadelphia. Unbelievable. And A.J. Brown gets a brand new contract averaging $25 million per year. Dave, this was fun and this was great and I can't wait to break it down. Fast-paced round one. It felt a little slow early on with the defensive players going off the board so soon. And yeah, there's a lot of fantasy implications, obviously. But the two takeaways I've got is, one, there were more losers than winners tonight. And one of those losers will be fantasy managers.

We're looking at a really tough season ahead. Because all these loaded teams, do they really have enough targets to go around? And then the teams that aren't loaded, well, or maybe they're loaded, but they've got a bad quarterback. Are we going to feel good about taking players from those teams?

So there's going to be a lot of work that has to be done. What are you talking about this with the second one? I'm thinking about a team like, let's say Pittsburgh, just for the sake of argument, Detroit kind of came to my mind, where they've got good receivers, but there's a question mark at quarterback. So how do you feel about these pass catchers when they've got somebody under center that's either new to the team

or was really not great for much of the prior season slash several seasons. Big question marks in New York with the Jets. They had Garrett Wilson. He was my favorite receiver. Now I'm not going to be as high on him, especially this coming year, because I don't know if there's enough to go around, and I'm not sure if the quarterback is that great.

So that's the one thing. The other thing is that there's also going to be kind of this weird log jam at the end of round three. I think there's going to be players that are going to be there from Kyle Pitts to Michael Thomas, DJ Moore, Terry McLaurin. You're going to be happy to have those guys on your team. You know, you're going to start them each week, but they've got some warts and it makes, it might make you feel like, well, I wish I could get them in round four instead of round three, or I wish I could get them in round five

instead of round four. And so I think there's going to be a pretty serious tier drop-off once you get close to the end of round three drafts. I think we've been talking about that in the drafts that we've done pre-NFL draft that it seems like right in the middle of round three. And I feel like this happens every single year.

I feel like there are about 30 players that we really, really like, and then after that, it's not so great. I usually get that sense right around 50th to 60th overall. I don't usually get it around 40th overall. I get it around 30th, but in a different sense. You're talking about potential elite players. I know that there will be some in rounds 4 and 5

or round 50th overall, whatever. But I don't sit there and... Oh, unless it's a quarterback. I don't sit there and go, oh, I got an elite player. But once Aaron Jones and Javante Williams will be part of that mix. Once we get to the middle of round 3, those guys are off

the board. You're going to start taking Saquon Barkley. You're going to start taking Michael Thomas, like you mentioned. Warts, for sure. Anyway, Dave, best thing I heard all night. I didn't know this. You may have known this. When Baltimore selected center Tyler Linderbaum,

who just fits beautifully for them, 25th overall, ESPN noted that he made $30,000 in NIL money last year. He donated it all to an Iowa children's hospital. That was awesome. It was very cool. And a great moment for him. Congratulations. Go into the Baltimore Ravens

where you will be run blocking quite a bit. So I do want to, you know, it's about the rookies tonight. So before we get into the two wide receiver trades, tell me which draft pick into the biggest opportunity, I think. Certainly with a decent quarterback in Ryan Tannehill. And you just keep getting the sense that the Titans just want to beat you over the head with physicality. And Burks is perfect for that. And I think Burks can, he's not going to do what A.J. Brown necessarily did. But he might be a healthier version of A.J. Brown. He's certainly a bigger version of AJ

Brown. He can make plays after the catch like AJ Brown. I think there could be a nice amount of targets for him as a potential number one receiver for the Titans. So I haven't made a decision on Dynasty yet, so don't ask me about Dynasty. But inraft full ppr he's my number one okay so i i think that that was probably the best pick and then before he went to the titans i would have told you drake london was in the best spot because i thought that drake london going to atlanta to be the other twin tower with kyle pitts i don't think there's going to be a third receiver that's going to be very good this year maybe ever in at Atlanta, as long as those two are together. And as for this year with Mariota there, the best thing they could have done for Mariota

was to get a big, tall, wide receiver with a huge catch radius where all Mariota has to do is just throw it a foot above his head, and he's going to be taller than every cornerback he lines up against anyway. He can come down with the ball just like Pitts can. So they're probably just going to contest and catch their way down the field, play a little NBA-style football. Okay, and let's hope that Marcus Mariota can recapture some of his... I think it was 2016 magic?

I think it was his second year. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't bad. You had two guys who were pretty, very fantasy relevant. 2016 Magic, yeah. It was his second year. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't bad. You had two guys who were pretty, very fantasy relevant. You had Rashard Matthews, who was a top 20 wide receiver with 945 yards and nine touchdowns. And you had Delaney Walker, who had 800 yards and seven touchdowns, and that made him tight end six. But that was the only time in Marcus Mariota's career

that we saw two players really be fantasy relevant in the same year. And Jamie's here. What's up, man? Yo! Fun. Did you have fun tonight? Oh, my God. It was awesome.

It really was. It really was. The only problem with the draft was no running back was taken in the first round, so I lost the bet. You lose. I win. Ha, ha, ha. Yes.

Webby, you thought there was going to be a running back taken, Adam? No, not really. I made the bet anyway. I get to give away five spots in this podcast. Jeez. Jamie, I just asked Dave. He said Traylon Burks was the answer. Best draft pick for fantasy purposes.

We're going to talk about the two Browns being traded right after this, but for the rookies, best draft pick for fantasy purposes. Honestly, I'm torn between Traylon Burks and Drake Lund. I just think they're both in great spots. Look, Marcus Mariota, not the best quarterback. Obviously, Ryan Tannehill, not the best quarterback. They both step into

just unbelievable opportunities. Clearly, Traylon Burks runs for his team. Derek Henry and what they're going to do getting him back. The Falcons, with Kyle Pitts there and probably the target leader. So I'll say Drake London to be different, but, you know, I like the setup for both these guys. You know, I think they're both had the opportunity to be the best receiver in their respect in this class. And, you know, we'll find out who's going to be better, you know, by the end of the year

and certainly by, you know, by the end of their careers. But I have no problem. You want to go Berks 1, but I'll just say London would be different. I think they're 1-1A. Do you have a decision on who do you like third? And I wonder if it's the same name again. It's Chris Olave for me right now. Just the scenario with the Saints. I'm certainly intrigued by Jamison Williams.

I like the setup for you know, for him long term. But, you know, again, the thing about all these guys is, and I'm sure, you know, you both feel the same way, it's the quarterback situation just aren't the best. You know, we were hoping, you know, the Chiefs or the Packers would have pulled the trigger on somebody, you know, and for me, you know, I would like to see the Packers. They've been linked to George Pickens, you know,

so that's something I would like to see happen. Christian Watson, Sky Moore, you know, I would like to see the Packers. They've been linked to George Pickens, you know, so that's something I would like to see happen. Christian Watson, Sky Moore, you know, there's an opportunity for a lot of guys. Alec Pierce, you know, they've been very high on him. You know, so there are a lot of guys still out there that can end up in some great situations. But I think, you know, Chris Alave going to the Saints and just being opposite Michael Thomas paired with Jameis Winston,

you know, they seem to have him in, have him in pretty high standing where they took him, so I like that for him. Thomas tweeted that this was a year in the making. I don't know if I believe that, but obviously these two are close, and Olave does give a different element than Michael Thomas to that offense. He's a good, accelerating receiver. When Jameis unloads those deep passes, Olave will be at the other end of almost all of them, I think.

So I'm excited about him at three. I'll round it out. I've got Garrett Wilson fourth, Jameis Williams fifth, Dotson last. By the way, since that 2014 NFL draft, the best one for wide receivers ever, the top rookie wide receiver has been one of the first six selected.

Okay? Beckham was third. Amari Cooper. Michael Thomas was sixth. Juju Smith-Schuster was sixth. Calvin Ridley. A.J. Brown was fourth. It's been top six, and that's exactly how many guys went in the first round. Jefferson was six or seven?

Jefferson was five, I think. Five? I think Rager was four, and Jefferson was five. I think Ayuk was six. Jamar Chase was obviously one. I'll double-check on Jefferson. Jamar Chase was not one, different class. Yeah, yeah, no, I know, but he was the best.

Oh, in his class. Yeah, I'll double-check on Jefferson, but I'm pretty sure he was one of the Different class. Yeah, yeah. No, I know. But he was the best. Oh, in his class. Yeah, I'll double check on Jefferson, but I'm pretty sure he was one of the first. No, that makes sense. It was Ruggs, Lamb, Judy, Rager. Oh, no. Ruggs, Judy, Lamb. Yeah. Ruggs, Judy, Lamb, Rager, Jefferson, I think.

So it's always been one of the first six. The last time it wasn't was Keenan Allen in 2013. He was the eighth wide receiver drafted. And Traylon Burks was the sixth one of the first six. The last time it wasn't was Keenan Allen in 2013. He was the eighth wide receiver drafted. And Traylon Burks was the sixth one off the board today. So let me just promote our programming for next week. It's a busy week. We've got a bunch of shows. We got quarterback ranking updates on Monday, running backs on Tuesday,

Wednesday, wide receivers Thursday. What do you think's on Thursday, everybody? Tight end rankings. And then Friday, our favorite mid-round picks and a rookie mailbag. And in addition to those five podcasts, we have a YouTube live stream. For all of you right now on YouTube, youtube.com slash fantasyfootballtoday. Be here Tuesday, 1 p.m. Eastern for a live mock draft. That's all coming up.

Five episodes plus a live mock draft next week. All right, let's talk about these veteran-wide receivers. The Eagles getting A.J. Brown from the Titans for the 18th and 101st picks. And the Eagles then signed Brown to a four-year $100 million deal with $57 million guaranteed. And then Arizona acquiring Marquise Brown.

How pissed is Debo Samuel right now? Just be patient, I guess, Debo. The Cardinals getting Marquise Brown and a third-round pick for the 23rd pick. And it's really interesting. I mean, Devonta Adams signs that contract and the dominoes just fall of all these teams just not being able to pay their wide receivers.

Who signed the contract? Devontae Adams. Not Christian Kirk? No, Devontae Adams. Okay. All right. Fine, Christian Kirk, but Devontae Adams, I mean. Okay, value up.

The bargain that the Browns got. With Cooper. Yeah. For now. Let's play. Cooper holds out or something. Yeah. Let's play value up, down, or the same.

Value up, down, or the same. A.J. Brown to the Eagles. Down. Down a tad. Jamie, down a tad or down a lot? I mean, you know, the guy is basically like 10 through 15 or around the same, so he'll be in that range. Closer to 15.

Does he get into round three now? Yeah, for sure. Would you rather have T. Higgins or A.J. Brown? Higgins. I have Brown now. Would you rather have Amari Cooper or A.J. Brown? Let's just for now assume no suspension for Deshaun Watson. Brown. Would you rather have Amari Cooper or A.J. Brown? Let's just for now assume no suspension for Deshaun Watson. Brown.

I mean, no, Cooper, I'm sorry. If no suspension. Dave? It's Brown. Okay, Twitter says value down 50%. I read Chris Tower's write-up. He has A.J. Brown 19. Among wide receivers? Yes. He has A.J. Brown 19. Among wide receivers?

Yes. Oh, right. Well, it could be either one. You never know. You could like it for A.J. Brown. I mean, the Titans have always been a low-pass offense team. I think they were 24. The Eagles were worse last year.

Yeah, everybody was better than the Eagles. The Eagles were 32nd. I don't see how you trade for A.J. Brown and draft Devontae Smith the year before and continue to be 32nd. That would be... Right, it's just a matter of how much they improve. I mean, look, you're still getting a great player

in A.J. Brown drafting a fantasy, but it's a matter of how much better is Devontae Smith, how much consistently good still is Dallas Goddard. The run game, it's clearly still, I think, going to be, I don't know, the focal point, but a huge priority. I don't think they go back to being a pass-happy team like they were at the beginning of the season last year. Does Brown give Jalen Hurts a reliable,

the answer is yes, a reliable... The answer is yes. A reliable target inside of 15 yards. Call it everywhere. Yeah. But certainly in that 10 to 15 yard range. And Smith should have been that guy. That's also, you know, it's a guy that's going to run still at that position. Yep.

Yeah. Tannehill gets his seven rushing touchdowns every year too. That's... Yeah. And, you know, the other thing with A.J. Brown is he has a hard time staying healthy. So does that factor into it, too? I mean, I love A.J. Brown. I hope he's continuing to be a great fantasy weapon when he's on the field.

But can he be, you know, I mean, if he was still in Tennessee, he had top five upside. I don't think he has that now. So I think it's a downgrade however you want to view it. Okay. All right. We've got all week to talk about that. How about Marquise Brown?

Value up, down, or the same? Crash. Down slightly. Is that bad, Dave? Let's see what Twitter said. Twitter said value up 44%, value down 28.5, value the same 27.6. Wow. So, Dave, why so low on Marquise Brown? I don't think he's going to have the same type of target volume

that he had last year or toward the end of 2020. I don't think he's going to be a red zone weapon in that offense i think it's still going to be deandre hopkins they still have other guys that they're going to want to get involved in that offense i'm not going to say that rondell moore is going to have just as many targets as hollywood brown but he's going to get some and zach urtz is going to get some and i don't i just I don't know if I can look at Kyler Murray and say he's an awesome deep ball passer. And I also, the same thing that Jamie said about A.J. Brown and his ability to stay on the field, we've seen it with Marquise Brown. And sometimes he's played through injuries and he's done well.

And sometimes he hasn't. And we know about the mistakes, the drops that he had last year. I feel like the, I know the report said or Brown said that he requested a trade and he wanted to get out of Baltimore. I bet the Ravens were relieved that they didn't have to give him the fifth-year contract option. I think he's going to be a clear number two receiver in Arizona. Yeah, I would agree with that.

The injury stuff, clearly playing through it he's played 14 games every year of his career so you know it's hard to say it's the same because aj brown misses games marquis brown doesn't um i think you know you look at he had 140 plus targets last year a year before that he was at 100 um it'd be a surprise if he's anywhere close to 140 again in this offense i i think you know clearly the loss of christian kirk you know they they were going to replace him in some way shape or form whether it was going to be a bigger role for ron delmore which this crushes his value uh how about me in one dynasty league where i have davante smith and ron delmore and i was so

excited now i just feel like crap um but i think you look at uh you know aj green clear on his last legs uh i wonder where wonder where Deandre Hopkins is health wise. I know all the reports are positive. Uh, Cliff Kingsbury said at the owner's meetings that they expect him to be fine. And he's tweeting videos of him working out in Arizona. So I'm hoping he's fine, but is he the same guy? You know, is he going to, you know, be the same type of playmaker that he's been the majority of his career?

Cause last year he was touchdown dependent. Um, last year, first time that he, he you know missed multiple games due to injury he's coming off you know major surgery and so is deandre hopkins still that alpha that is going to you know command the the alpha targets that he's used to or is he starting to get to that point in career where you have to worry about a little bit of a breakdown i hope it's not the latter but that's still something you have to factor in which i think I think kind of speaks to the aggressiveness of what the Cardinals were trying to do. Now part of this also is they're appeasing their quarterback here

because they wanted to do something after he was kind of public about all these other teams making moves. So I think Marquise Brown, he was in that borderline, for me at least, wide receiver two, wide receiver three range. Now he's clearly entrenched in the wide receiver three range. I kind of view him as just an upgrade over Christian Kirk, which Christian Kirk was essentially a wide receiver three last year. I think it's downgrade.

The passing game should be better for the Cardinals than it is for the Ravens because of how they run the ball. But clearly, like Dave said, he's not going to be the focal point of the receiving core as long as Hopkins is healthy. If the Ravens go back to what they were the first two years of this Lamar Jackson era, where he was the starter all year, where they were 32nd and 32nd in pass attempts, then Kyler Murray could throw for 1,000 more yards than Lamar Jackson

and probably the same amount or more touchdowns. So that's the benefit. The probably, you know, Dave mentioned fewer touchdowns for Brown. Brown has been for three straight years, second on the team in red zone and green zone targets. It is when they get down there, it is all Mark Andrews and all Marquise Brown. The two of them over the past two years have combined for probably about or more than half of the touchdowns. That's just what he did

there. I don't know if he'll do that in Arizona. But let me ask you this. Would you now rather have Marquise Brown or Christian Kirk? Marquise Brown. I think a better question is Marquise Brown or Rashad Bateman. That was my next question.

That was my next one. All right, so Bateman or Brown. Yeah, I'll take the upside of Bateman, but I would still take Marquise Brown over Kirk. As of now, I've got Brown at the bottom of the three. I do have to give Kyle and Murray some credit. He was, I think, fifth or sixth in terms of adjusted completion rate on deep passes, fifth last year on passes of 20-plus yards downfield.

That's according to Pro Football Focus. I'm looking at our additional numbers on throws with 20-plus air yards from last year, and he did pretty well on that one too, 79 attempts, seven touchdowns, 1,152 yards just on those deep throws. So Brown could be flighty, I think you've got to look at him as, I'm going to call him a low-end number three receiver. He's right on that fence for me.

Low-end number three receiver, high-end number four. I think there's upside with Bateman. I think there's upside with Kirk. If they throw Kirk into this primary role, they're paying him to be. Do you think Bateman makes it into round six now? That's probably a safe spot for him.

I think he makes it out of round six. What does that mean? In round seven? No, he'll be gone in round six. I think you've got to see what else they do. Alright, so let's do this quickly. Go ahead.

As we sit here now, are we going to add to that? what else they do. Yeah. All right. So let's do this quickly. Go ahead. Go ahead. As we sit here now, are we going to add to that? No, no. That's it. As we sit here now, Kirk and then Bateman, they're back to back for me.

And then Hunter- You can take Kirk over Bateman. Okay. Yeah, I have Kirk over Bateman for right now. Yeah, I'll take Bateman. Okay. So let's finish

the rest of these quickly here. DeAndre Hopkins, value up, down, or the same? Down. I think I might have moved him down one spot. Okay. Would you rather have DeAndre Hopkins? I'll take him over, Kirk.

Or Michael Thomas? Thomas, but I had that already. I don't have that yet. I still have Hopkins over Thomas. Devontae Smith value down or way down? Down. Crash. Not crash, but down.

All right, Bateman or Devontae Smith? Bateman. I got Smith. Bateman is the worst. I mean, Devontae is the worst receiver we've talked about so far. You mean in terms of losing value? In terms of fantasy value. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you'd rather have Marquise Brown than Devontae Smith? Yes. Okay. I think that's probably the right way to go about it. Oh, man. The problem is this. I think Devontae Smith is super talented as a wide receiver. Just awesome the way that he plays.

Yeah, that's fair. So he's now going to be the 1B and maybe even the 1C when you consider Goddard in there on a team that's going to run a lot. So it's really hard to see him getting a lot of targets. Rashad Bateman is definitely the two on a team that I don't know what they're going to do. Again, based on... But if Rashad Bateman is Marquise Brown, then he's better than what Devontae Smith is right now.

Which version of Marquise? No, not if he's the 100-target version of Marquise Brown. That was like a top 40 receiver. I would say his 100 targets will be better than 100 targets for Devontae Smith if Devontae Smith gets 100 targets. Okay. Rondell Moore? Heell Moore well if he doesn't but I get it Rondell Moore top 100 pick no no uh the best thing for Rondell Moore at this point would be to replace Chase Edmonds you moving Dallas Goddard down in your in your rankings no I moved him behind TJ Hawkinson I might have had that already though

I'll check is that just because there's no other good tight end or because you don't think this affects Goddard that much I mean this is still an offense that is going to lean on that position as much as I think it will no no matter who the receiving core is. I don't know.

How does it not hurt Dallas Goddard to bring in... It's going to hurt him, but I don't think it's... He's going from, what was it, probably six and a half targets a game to two, four? Six, eight. Okay. Who do you appreciate? Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts.

How much are they moving up? A few spots. Hurts moved up. Go ahead, Jim. You go first. I mean, right now I had Kyler seven. I'll probably move him into the top five. Oh, you got to move him ahead of Wilson and Mahomes.

You ready for that? Yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, the thing about it, though, is Kyler happy now because they picked up a fifth-year option. And is he going to show up on time? So that's still a little concerning. Hurts will be behind that group, but he's not far.

Dave, how about you? Where are you on Hurts? I moved him ahead of Rodgers. That's the only move that I made at quarterback tonight. Okay. And you still have Murray seven. I do. All right.

That would be it for the trade. We got to talk about the rookies. So let's do that. Let's rank the rookie wide receivers. I know Traylon Burks, Drake London are going to be one and two for you guys. Here were the six rookie wide receivers taken today. Atlanta took Drake London eighth. The Jets took Garrett Wilson 10th.

The Saints traded up to take Chris Olave 11th. We actually had three picks in a row that were wide receivers. Two of them graduated from Ohio State. One of them transferred from Ohio State. So again, I'll start over. Drake London, eighth to the Falcons. Garrett Wilson,

tenth to the Jets. Chris Olave, eleventh to the Saints. Jamison Williams, twelfth to the Lions. Also a trade up. That came out of nowhere. Yeah.

Washington traded Jahan Dotson, acquired, drafted. That's what they did. Jahan Dotson out of Penn State, 16th, and Traylon Burks, 18th overall to Tennessee. So six wide receivers and 11 picks. That was really cool.

And let's rank them. Jamie, you can start. For rookie leagues or for redraft? For redraft, for 2022. Dynasty, yeah, we can do both. Let's for redraft for redraft for 2022 dynasty at the, yeah, well we can do both. Let's let's start redraft. Okay.

I'll say London one, Berks two, Alave three, Williams four, Wilson five, assuming Williams is fine and Dotson six. Oh, poor Garrett Wilson.

All right, Dave, how do you see it? Poor Garrett is right uh Burks one London two Olave three Wilson four Williams five Dotson is sixth for me also okay so very similar there London Burks for Jamie Burks London, Olave, three for both of you. Jamison Williams, four for Jamie, and then Wilson, five, and Dotson, six. And for Dave, it's Dotson, six as well, but it's Wilson. It's Garrett Wilson

on the Jets at four and Jamison Williams with Detroit at five. And how many of them do you think crack the top 100 in drafts? For three. London, Berks, Olave. Do you downgrade Michael Thomas at all? do you think cracked the top 100 in drafts? First three. I think that's fair.

Do you downgrade Michael Thomas at all? Not really. No, but I do think Olave will take some numbers away. This is the first guy in a while that's going to be a threat to that target share that he has. This will keep Michael

Thomas from getting back to peak Michael Thomas if he was ever going to get there. Okay. Yeah, I think Olave, NFL ready, fair to say? Yeah. Pretty close to it. Pretty close to it. Very good route runner.

I wish he was a little more physical. Yeah. Wish he could break tackles and stuff like that. And I just want to say that the Packers and the Chiefs, they didn't draft wide receivers. They both had a couple of first-round picks. They also have two picks. Both teams have two picks somewhere in the 50 to 62-ish range.

Easy to move up and draft the wide receiver that they want early in the second round. So that's going to be a big storyline and fantasy on tomorrow's show. And maybe that might be... Packers still need much more than the Chiefs. So that's going to be a big storyline and fantasy on tomorrow's show. And maybe that Packers certainly much more than chiefs. Yeah. Yeah. So, and the Packers went with two defensive players from Georgia today, but they hate Aaron Rogers.

If they take pickings or Watson or sky more or something like that, maybe that guy moves into three, two, four, three at the highest. I think it would be that guy moves into three, two, four? Three at the highest. I think it would be four. Pickens would be that guy for me. I think it would be four at the highest, even if it were Pickens.

I would be so... I would just bang the drum for that guy over Chris Olave. How good could Chris Olave actually be? Yeah, no, I'm with you. Right. Right. Yeah. And London. I don't, I don't, I do not, like, I'm going to take the number one guy for Aaron Rodgers.

I don't know that I'm really going to do this. I'm just thinking out loud. I'm just having fun. I mean, you fell for this with Amari Rodgers last year. No, no, no, no. That was on a much lower level. Obviously. That was on a much lower level.

And that was before Randall Cobb. the great Randall Cobb came back. But what was I going to say? Like taking the number one guy for Aaron Rodgers over the number two-ish guy. Is he the number one guy? Yes, I would think so. I would hope so. Over the number two guy for Mariota. You could be talking literally 20 touchdowns more

for the Packers than the Falcons. That doesn't mean it's for that guy, though. No, I would assume it wouldn't be for that guy, but, you know. I mean, look, it's a strong argument, and obviously if the Chiefs do the same thing, as we said about guys who could lose, there's no guarantee that Juju is still the number one guy

or Hardman or Valdez-Sinley, whatever you want to put it if it's a Christian Watson or a George Pickens or a Sky Moore. But I think you got to give that player some time to establish themselves with these great quarterbacks. Whereas, you know, at least you're looking at London and Berks, they're stepping into obvious target share, just opportunity, and the talent matches it. So it's not like we're talking about slouches.

These two guys were, depending on whatever rank list you looked at, fantasy or reality, as two of the best receivers in this class. So not that Pickens is not up there and Watson as well, but I just think that the hope would be is that the talent helps that quarterback, whether it's Mariota or Tannehill, helps those guys carry through. All right, we're going to take a break here.

When we come back, we're going to rank these wide receivers for Dynasty and then just talk about the rest of round one. We got to talk about Kenny Pickett as well, what that means for Deontay Johnson. The winners and losers of the veteran receiver spots, too. Okay, yeah, we can definitely discuss that. We'll be right back on Fantasy Football today.

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Visit amex.ca slash business platinum. And we're back. All right, so we were ranking the rookie wide receivers. We did it in redraft. We like Drake London and Traylon Burks the best, followed by Chris Olave. But if we're ranking them in dynasty, Dave, how would you rank those six?

Take this down in pencil, because I am just not sure if I'm going to stick with this or not. I think Jameson Williams could be number one because the lions are eventually going to get a quarterback. That's an awesome surface. I don't think the lions are going to stick to always being, you know, a bunch of,

you know, running knee biters or whatever Campbell wants to be. If they traded up for Jamison Williams, I think it's with the idea that he ends up being a huge playmaker in that offense. So maybe that's me falling for the bait. I like him a lot long-term.

I like almost all the receivers that were drafted except for Dotson long term. And I think Dotson can still be good, but I think he'd be sixth for me. And I don't know if I can say Garrett Wilson's going to be any higher than fifth,

and I love the talent there too. Give me Williams one, London two, Olave three, Burks four wilson five dots and six in pencil okay jamie go for it very much in pencil yeah you know it dave said something interesting there about you know the quarterback situation for detroit london's gonna have a new quarterback most likely next year if not by the end of this draft very true and the same thing could happen for burks because tan hill's playing out his deal as well. So all

the, or a few of the top guys and who knows what the situation with the Saints is. How about all these guys except for Garrett Wilson? They're all kind of in that boat of new quarterbacks. And so this could go to your point, Adam, of

is the guy that could be with Aaron Rogers for two years or certainly the guy that could be with, you know, maybe Patrick Mahomes for four or five years. You know, is that is that quarterback is that receiver in a better standing, you know, for dynasty purposes? I'll get to the second, but we're going to have a really fascinating conversation if the running backs end up in crappy situations about who the 101 is you know Brees Hall and and Ken Walker go to you know scenarios that that they're not in great spots which is with the the fear with this class um yeah of not having you know top end top flight caliber player a lot of top end top flight caliber players like we saw last year but in any in any event um I would still go almost the same order um uh with London and Burks first I'll put williams third uh because

i agree with dave i think he's got the most upside but i don't know if he'll ever materialize in detroit you know like i think a lot of people would like to see because i don't know if they'll move on from jared golf eventually um if he plays well again um or as as quickly as I think we would like. I'll say Garrett Wilson, fourth. Alave, fifth. Alave, fifth. And then Dotson, sixth. Poor Dotson. Yeah, poor Dotson being sixth guy of a loaded class.

Yeah. But just the worst, I guess, situation for him. Maybe. I mean, that's another team that could have a quarterback upgrade by next year, too. Yeah, just that he has McLaurin. Who might be done. Right. McLaurin might be his last year in Washington. Ron Rivera was asked about that following the A.J. Brown thing.

And he said, you know, different player, different situation. But who knows? Who knows if something comes falling this weekend? Do you think Dotson could end up being a number one receiver for Washington someday? For Washington, yes. For fantasy purposes, I don't know. I'm not sure that people feel like he profiles.

Well, I can tell you, people are split on whether or not he profiles like that. Yeah, he's a damn good receiver. I just don't know if he can be a number one type. Yeah. I mean,'t know if he can be a number one type. Yeah. I mean, we've seen a lot of teams

that don't have number one type receivers, so he could, by default, be that guy. Right. All right, so let's play a new game. I'm going to make it up on the spot. Who are you drafting first, Garrett Wilson or Elijah Moore? Elijah Moore. Moore this year.

If we were doing a dynasty startup, Wilson would be ahead of Moore. That's the only one I have for this, so I think this segment is over. Who are you drafting first? Michael Thomas or Terry McLaurin? Thomas, but I was doing that anyway.

I think it's probably McLaurin over Thomas. But I'm an Olave fan. Okay. Who are you drafting first? Drake London or Marquise Brown? London. Drake London or... Even in non-PPR. How about Deontay Johnson?

Did he change at all? No. No, I'm happy with what happened to him. Okay, let's talk about that. Let's talk about Kenny Pickett going to the Steelers' 20th overall. Go for it, Dave. I think he could end up being their week one starter. Doesn't mean that he's going to be great for fantasy. Doesn't mean that he's going to the Steelers 20th overall. Go for it, Dave. I think he could end up being their week one starter.

Doesn't mean that he's going to be great for fantasy. Doesn't mean that he's going to be someone that elevates Deontay Johnson to more than what he was. But I think he can be better than Ben Roethlisberger was in 2021. And I think he can be better than Mitchell Trubisky. The fact that they came out and announced at the very first press conference that he's going to compete with Mitchell Trubisky for the starting job kind of tells you everything that you need to know. And I think most people know this. Maybe they don't. The Steelers and

the Pitt Panthers practice in the same facility. So this coaching staff has watched this kid grow up and develop in Pittsburgh. They know he's capable of playing in Pittsburgh. They're going to put him in their offense. The fact that they got Trubisky, maybe as a placeholder, maybe not, but a mobile type of quarterback, Pickett is that guy too, who's got a better arm and probably has better accuracy than Trubisky.

That's not saying a whole lot, but it is what it is. I think it'll help Deontay Johnson if they keep Johnson in that same role. I think it's good for him. You didn't ask me this, Adam. I think it'll help Deontay Johnson. If they keep Johnson in that same role, I think it's good for him. You didn't ask me this, Adam. I think it's good for Pat Fryermuth as well. When I watched Kenny Pickett,

I thought he attacked the middle of the field quite a bit. I am a little bit worried about what it means for Chase Claypool, but I wasn't very high on Claypool anyway. I think Pickett landed in probably one of the best possible spots he could have. I don't think there was any way for Deontay Johnson to get more upside. They're just not going to have a great quarterback situation, right? Unless it'd be a bit of a surprise if Kenny Pickett had a great rookie season.

Agreed. It's hard for most rookie quarterbacks to do it. So it was hard for him to come out as a winner, I guess. But he's not a loser. That's good. He stayed the same. I didn't move him up or anything like that. That's good. Okay, so where do you have Deontay Johnson in relation to

DeAndre Hopkins and Michael Thomas and Terry McLaurin? He was always ahead of them for me and he's not moving. Yep. I guess the issue is just like, what is his upside? Could he really win you your league? I have a tough time making a case for a Steelers wide receiver. I think the thing would be is that Roethlisberger has been so bad

in terms of the post-elbow injury that you hope that there's more downfield opportunities for whether it was Trubisky, whether it's going to be Trubisky or pick it, that there's just better quarterback play because you're not looking at a decrepit guy that couldn't move and, you know, has more arm strength and, you know,

now is going to fit what the coaching staff wants to do, as opposed to what the quarterback wanted to do, because as Heath has always joked, which is accurate, that Ben Roethlisberger was a de facto offense coordinator because most veteran guys that have played as long as he is and has the resume that he has gets the chance to do that. And so I'm banking on youth.

I'm banking on better play from that position. I'm banking on the offense just being better as a whole, the offensive line growing from a year ago with the guys that they had last year. So I think Deontay Johnson hopefully will win as just a result of the loss of Roethlisberger. If his target volume stays the same, then he's got a real good shot to match what he did last year. He was less than one-tenth of a PPR point per game worse

than Godwin and Tyreek Hill in 2021. But Heath always makes the point that it's kind of hard to expect the target volume to stay the same. And that's why Heath doesn't really like Deontay Johnson comparatively. He had 169 targets last year. He averaged 10 targets per game. And I believe they led the NFL in pass attempts. And that's why Heath always brings up de facto offensive coordinator.

They're not going to throw the ball nearly as much without Ben Roethlisberger. That's Heath's theory. And yeah, it's hard to expect 10 targets a game. But they also lost Juju. I know he wasn't there for the majority of the season. They lose James Washington. And so right now you're looking at a receiving core that they need to add to. I know Ryan Wilson had them taking a receiver in round two.

So we'll see what they do to replace those two guys. But I think Deontay's shown you that he's a playmaker, and I hope that he'll be better as the targets are better, the opportunities are better, even though there'll be less targets. I don't think he's going from 169 to, again, to 100. So he's probably in the 140 range. Right, which is still great. You will learn to love that

number this year. Okay, Jamie, did you want to talk about the veteran winners and losers, as you saw it? You brought up a few of them. Elijah Moore, obviously, he's not in the best situation, but we kind of expected that going in. I think this is, at least right now now for two guys,

Alan Lazard and Juju Smith-Schuster, more so Juju, you know, with the fact that they didn't go out and get a first-round receiver. And, you know, as we talked about, you know, on the potential guys who can, you know, lose value, Juju ends up so far, you know, night one, very good. And Alan Lazard, you know, for a guy that you can get really cheap still, you know, we know how Rodgers relies on guys that he trusts.

And Lazard closed the season last year playing at a high level. They're down MVS. They're obviously down Adams. I don't know if a rookie comes in and completely dominates the target share. It should be better than what Lazard gets because I would assume that that player has more talent. But, you know, you escape the first night without them adding anything. And Alan Lazard, even as the second guy there, could end up as a borderline starter as the season progresses in fantasy.

I keep thinking about our guy Alec Pierce and how refined of a technician and route runner he was at the senior bowl and how he was playing games for Cincinnati. And I wonder if he somehow made it to green Bay, could he end up being a very, very important part of that offense? Sure. I mean,

you know, it's, it, there's still got, you know, there's four in my mind, Pickens, Pierce,

no five, excuse me, Pickens, Pierce, got, you know, there's four in my mind, Pickens Pierce, uh, no five, excuse me, Pickens Pierce, Watson, Skymore. And I still think, uh, Thornton from Baylor, um, you know, all these guys have an opportunity in the right situation to be pretty good fantasy options, you know? So, uh, we'll see, you know, we'll see, uh, you know, we, we saw some surprises, you know, Jameson Williams for one, we didn't think the Lions were going to be that aggressive to get a receiver. So they'll probably be a team or two. We know now Baltimore is going to be in the market for receiver. So, you know, that's a team that we're not going to love whoever ends up there because of the target volume, just how they operate their offense. So, you know, there's one in particular, the Titans may, you know, now that they acquired all these picks, they may add another receiver as well because the depth there is not exactly great

once you get past whatever Robert Woods is and clearly Traylon Burks. So there's going to be a team or two that surprises us and takes one of these guys. But it would be nice if the Packers made a move in the Chiefs as well. I think that right now, obviously, Devin Singletary is a winner. And it may be that by the time the Bills get to pick 57, Brees Hall is not on the board. Or Ken Walker. Right.

Or Isaiah Spiller. Or Isaiah Spiller, right. I mean, they might take Spiller. I'm having trouble keeping track of the trades, but I think the Bills gave up one of their picks today in a trade with the Ravens. Yes. They moved up two spots.

They moved up from 25 to 23, and they gave up a fourth rounder. So pick 130 overall. So they have a little bit less ammunition to move up. So good day, I guess, for Devin Singletary, but still so much to be determined there. Right. The thing that's going to be...

What I mentioned earlier, is like if the Ravens take Brees Hall, and then you end up with like Ken Walker on, I don't know, pick a team. That just is frustrating. And then you're looking at it like Heath's situation, where he made all these moves to get the early picks in a rookie draft. And like he said on the show last week moves to get the early picks in a rookie draft and is, you know, like he said on, on the show last week about just looking at the talent,

you know, so let's just say Brees Hall goes to Baltimore, which would be a nightmare, you know, or, or, or Walker goes to Baltimore, you know, do you still just buy into the talent and hope that talent eventually wins out? Like what happened with Jonathan Taylor? You know, he said he didn't want to fall victim to what happened there where Clyde Edwards-Lair had the the best opportunity but Jonathan Taylor was everybody's favorite running back in that class or at least you know among among the top guys

whereas Edwards-Hilaire was not yeah um you know this could be just not the the sexiest rookie draft I hope that's not the case I hope we get Brees Hall in a good situation Ken Walker in a good situation and then you know you start to see the receivers fall in line of, you know, Burks, London, London, Burks, however you want to, you know, look at it, Jameson Williams, long-term, Wilson, Alave, all those guys. But that one-on-one could be dicey if, in fact, those running backs are not in good standing. Like I have in one dynasty league, the fifth pick, it's a super flex league.

And it's going to be interesting to see if Kenny Pickett or we're eventually eventually you know malik willis or ritter these guys end up if they go in the first four um because that's what i was hoping for i was hoping to see one of those quarterbacks go in front of me because i don't need a quarterback but i definitely need some wide receiver and running back help and so i hope that happens because i'd like to see at least somebody that i love fall nothing could convince me that the quarterbacks in this year's class are not going to have big NFL impacts more than what we saw tonight. And for one quarterback to be taken, it just does not happen. It is so, so rare. And it should tell you, it should tell you everything you need to know about. Right. But I think, you know, like, you know, we, we talked about, um,

the, the Packers or the chiefs trading up like you said adam in the second round to get a receiver like if the falcons decide that they want to go get malik wills and they trade up somehow or whatever they offer to get into round two into a spot in round two that that they feel comfortable or you know um pick a team you know that that you think you know the seahawks you know whatever um the panthers you know any of these teams that feel like Malik Wills could be that answer. Desmond Riddick could be that answer. Matt Corral, anybody. Any of those guys.

Then I think it changes things a little bit. Wills will be the one. I think if you see a team that's aggressive, go get him. Right. But you know that, obviously, teams try to trade into the first round to get their quarterbacks, then get that fifth-year option. Totally. Maybe teams try to do that, I don't know,

but obviously it didn't happen. The one that seems weird is just because of the player that they took and obviously the Rams clowned them a little bit, the Patriots. So I would have thought the Patriots could have traded back into round two and probably still got the guard that they got from Chattanooga. Oh, yeah, that was the one that seemed like... Well, it got one of the lowest grades, I think, from Prisco.

And let's see. I think it was Daniel Jeremiah on the NFL Network said that he had him as a mid-round pick. Would you say that was a strange pick? Because his name is Cole Strange. Yeah. And he went 29th overall.

And I know Mel Kiper compared it to when they took... Oh, gosh. A guard same thing late in the first round several years ago and they got trash for it and he ended up being a really good pick so um i think it was them oh anyway uh let's look at mankins yeah Yeah. It seemed so weird at the time, and then Jenkins ended up being great. Okay, so I guess we'll just go through some of the picks here. Let's just talk about the NFL draft. I think we buried the lead a little bit. How high are you as a Giants fan?

That's not the lead. That is definitely not the lead. Giants did great. Yeah, I knew everybody was going to say that. Giants did great. Jets did great. Eagles did great. Ravens did great. Yeah, I knew everybody was going to say that. Giants did great. Jets did great. Eagles did great. Ravens did great.

I don't really get into the did great stuff personally because you just, you know, you got to wait a few years. But I think, sure, the Giants should be pretty happy with who they got. Thibodeau at five and Evan Neal at seven. Exactly what they needed. They needed a pass rusher. Evan Neal could be the best player in the draft.

I just don't understand what happened with Jermaine Johnson. Because I know Ryan Wilson and many others had him going fourth to the Jets, and he ended up going, I think, 25th to the Jets? 26th. 26th to the Jets. Jets crushed the Jets. Edge, well... So, yeah.

I mean, Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, that's a hell of a haul, and trading into the first round to get Johnson at 26. But what happened? You know, there's got to be a reason why so many teams passed on him and why he fell. And it's got to be more than just the age, right? He's 23, so a little older than you'd like your rookie to be.

But, yeah, it'll come out something will come out on why he did yeah well good for them and they had three they ended up with three first round picks so i hope they make it count didn't he didn't he transfer from georgia or am i crazy he was at a junior college jermaine johnson okay last chance you know the one thing would be last chance you oh right he was on last chance you yeah the one thing would be though is that after tibbs there he was the next pass rusher was he yeah yeah wow 20 needs i guess so that's really strange that's really he definitely fell it could be it could be the juco thing it could be that he went to georgia after juco and then left georgia for florida

state i don't know there's there's got to be something behind the scenes. But again, teams have needs and as good of a pass rusher as he may end up being, teams could regret passing on him. It wasn't like they were taking other pass rushers ahead of him. That to me is kind of telling. I'm looking at a list here of teams that have had three first round picks recently.

The Raiders were terrible. The Giants in 2019 and the Raiders in 2019. The Giants took Daniel Jones, Dexter Lawrence, who's solid, and DeAndre Baker, who they basically kicked off the team, and he's now with the Chiefs. The Raiders took... The Raiders had one of the worst drafts ever. They traded Khalil Mack.

Okay, they took Josh Jacobs, Jonathan Abram, and who else? Oh, and Cleland Farrell at four. The Browns had a good one, right? This was Miles Garrett, Jabril Peppers, solid player, and David Njoku. No problems with that. Yep. Yeah.

Are those guys still on the team? Yeah, and Peppers is on the Patriots now. Yep. He was a good player. He was traded to the Giants in the Beckham trade. There are more. I won't go through them all. Anything else?

Dave, anything else stand out to you? No, just a draft that didn't have that top-heavy superstar, didn't have a lot of great quarterbacks, still proved to be very entertaining. Lots of exciting fantasy storylines to move forward with uh and just the fact that wide receivers are now moving in these huge blockbuster deals just adds another element to football and fantasy every single offseason dave so people think you're tired in the chat get dave a red bull. You're right. Dave's sleeping.

I've been in and out of the office since 7.45 this morning, and it's now 9.00. Ooh, that's tough. So last thing here, any thoughts on offensive line? You had Iquanu going to the Panthers at 6, Evan Neal to the Giants at 7, and he might play guard but probably right tackle. Charles Cross to fill in at left tackle for the Giants at seven, and he might play guard, but probably right tackle. Charles Cross to fill in at left tackle

for the Seahawks, who are in negotiations with Dwayne Brown. They're incumbent from last year. Then you had Houston taking Kenyon Green. He can play tackle or guard at 15th overall. Chargers taking a very versatile offensive lineman, Zion Johnson at 17. Love that pick.

Trevor Penning. They might have the best offensive line in football. It would be great if they hit another home run here. Trevor Penning. That's the Chargers we're talking about. Trevor Penning going to the Saints. He'll be there. Yep, that's a good pick.

Could be their left tackle on day one. They need one. Tyler Smith could play right tackle for the Cowboys. He went 24th. Smart pick. Tyler Linderbaum, 25th to the Ravens. Cole Strange, 29th to the Patriots. Strange pick.

Strange pick, yeah. Okay, we'll see what happens. Stranger Things 5. Stranger Things 5 coming out. Stranger Things 4 coming out soon, right? Yes, Stranger Things 5. Yeah, that's Stranger Things 5. Gotcha.

All right, everybody. Thanks for being with us. For you YouTubers, it's 1.10 in the morning. I think we'll just keep talking. We can get to round two. Round two, yeah. We're going to do a live show for round two. That's it for tonight, everybody.

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