Fantasy Football Today - NFL Draft Day One Recap! Biggest Winners/Losers, Best/Worst Picks (04/25 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

Instant reaction to Day One of the NFL Draft! We've got our biggest Fantasy winners (3:30) and losers (13:45) for you. Ashton Jeanty is a big winner as is Trevor Lawrence. Is Matthew Golden a winner? ...As far as losers go, Colston Loveland and Tyler Warren didn't exactly go to the most ideal spots ... We've got some Big Important Fantasy Questions: Is Jeanty a first round pick (18:45)? Do we prefer Tetairoa McMillan or Hunter (21:30)? When are we drafting Omarion Hampton (22:55)? How do we feel about the two TEs who were drafted (25:45)? ... Talking about the trades (30:30) including the Giants acquiring Jaxson Dart, and we have a big disagreement about whether or not Brian Thomas Jr. is a Fantasy loser (38:50). Then we go through each offensive player who was drafted on Day One and discuss them: QB (45:05); RB (47:30); WR (49:50); TE (58:00); OL (1:03:00). Cam Ward, Emeka Egbuka and more ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:06 No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races and he stays on his feet. This is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. Recapping night one of the NFL D round one in the books, 32 picks made. We are going to break down the important ones. We had a few trades today.
Starting point is 00:01:30 We had two quarterbacks get drafted. We had two running backs get drafted. And I'll tell you this, over the last 10 seasons, there have been 13 running backs drafted in the first round, not including Travis Etienne who missed his rookie season. 11 of those 13 running backs average 15 and a half or more touches per game. Do you think Omari and Hampton is going to get 15 and a half or more touches per game with the Chargers?
Starting point is 00:01:54 Dave Richard. I think he will average right around that by the time we get to the end of the year. But it could be a little bit tough to expect that first couple of weeks of the season. Maybe they'd ease them be a little bit tough to expect that first couple of weeks of the season. Maybe they'd ease them in a little bit. They have no reason to rush them and put them on the field unless it's just clear as day in training camp that he's the better runner than Agieres and you can't rule that out.
Starting point is 00:02:19 There really weren't a lot of round one picks that I was really excited about for fantasy. Yeah, kind of a bummer were some of these guys that we loved ended up going to. Well, we got an email the day and Jamie Eisenberg was just on CBS Sports HQ, which is a great, great source for NFL draft content, all the other sports that you're following. At one point today, I had TV on a basketball game, one laptop on a hockey game, one laptop on a hockey game, one laptop on the NFL draft.
Starting point is 00:02:47 So it was a lot of fun. This is why you need CBS Sports HQ to keep you up to date on everything. We got an email, email of the day at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. That's the letter I, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. This one's from Sean. Said, well, that was a terrible mock draft.
Starting point is 00:03:01 No way Tampa takes a Bucca tomorrow and the Broncos passing on Hampton so the division rival can take him when they already have the same guy and Naji worse mock draft ever. Can't wait for the real deal tomorrow. Yeah, it was it was kind of a silly draft. Anyway, welcome, Jamie. Hello boys. All right, we're gonna get big fantasy winners and big fantasy losers from you guys. Let's start with some winners
Starting point is 00:03:23 and these can be rookies or NFL veterans. Jamie, who jumps out to you as a fantasy winner? I mean, obviously Ashland Gentey. You know, you look at the landing spot was great. Love the setup for him. You know, this is one of the teams we talked about as, you know, he would be a winner going there. Runway is clear for him to not have to share touches. You know what Pete Carroll's history is with featured running backs. So the setup is perfect. The player hopefully will be perfect. Great for him. You want me to keep going to other winners? Yeah, sure. Go ahead. Trevor Lawrence, obviously getting Travis Hunter, you know,
Starting point is 00:03:55 looking at the setup there for him. I like the fact that he's going to spend at least the majority of his time on offense. So it's a it's a great situation for him. And then I think just, you know, piggybacking off the trade there, this is great for Jerry Judy. It's great for David Najoku. We thought that Hunter was gonna go there. With the way Joe Flacco played in 2023 in the system and how he aired the ball out and hoping to do the same thing with what we saw from Judy last year and
Starting point is 00:04:17 obviously what he did with Najoku in that season. So I think it's a win for both of those guys. Other winners that stand out. I mean, obviously the quarterbacks that got receivers, I think they all win. Jordan Love getting a game breaker and Matthew Golden, obviously Bryce Young getting another playmaker and Tep McMillan. Baker Mayfield, my God. I mean, he's got his group. As anybody in the league right now, I mean, this is just you know, the rich getting richer It gives them the you know, assuming he's the the the guy for the next, you know, four or five years
Starting point is 00:04:50 Which I doubt that they would like to change things based on the way that he's played Hopefully stays healthy continues to produce like this I mean Baker goes from throwing to Mike Evans and Chris Godwin to Godwin bridging the gap and Still having Jalen McMillan and now a bu, like this is fantasy heaven for the Bucs in this receiving core. It's a little bit of a headache this year, but obviously from a quarterback standpoint, it's fantastic. Dave, you wanna add anything to winners?
Starting point is 00:05:16 I don't think so. Okay. Yeah, I think there were some players that I was anticipating being losers today. Jamie mentioned the Browns guys, Judy and Njoku. I'd say Garrett Wilson. I was also anticipating maybe him having to share targets on a team that's gonna be pretty low
Starting point is 00:05:31 in past attempts to begin with, with the tight end with Loveland or Warren, but they went with Membu instead. They take an offensive tackle. I thought about something Heath said, because there was a comment in our chat. We got a very active chat right now. I appreciate that.
Starting point is 00:05:46 It's midnight right now, Eastern. Comment in our chat, if I could just find it. Sorry, it said something like, the only destination I really liked was Genty, I think. Oh yeah, here we go. It's from Rhonda. The only landing spot I love thus far is Genty's for fantasy football purposes, of course.
Starting point is 00:06:03 I poo-pooed something Heath said a little bit on a Wednesday show. God, it feels like it's been four days ago, but it was just yesterday, where he thought Green Bay would be a good spot for a wide receiver. I don't know if he specifically said Matthew Golden, actually, I could look.
Starting point is 00:06:18 No, he said, he said Ibuka. I kind of see where he's coming from. You know, I said, well, look, they spread the ball around so much. They haven't had 100 target guy. I don't think in two years, nobody even had 80 targets last year. But this is always a good offense. I think LaFleur is a really good, good coach and there, you know, at least he's not going to be at least Matthew Golden is not going to be wasting away on some crappy offense.
Starting point is 00:06:44 And maybe he just has the opportunity to be better than everyone else and Christian Watson is going to miss some time. So I could see that. So at first I didn't love it, but you know, I'm thinking about at least he's got an opportunity. If he is as good as people think, as some people think he is, I think he can rise above it and thrive maybe as early as late in his rookie season, Matthew Golden going to the Packers. Do you like Golden or McMillan better right now for 2025?
Starting point is 00:07:11 McMillan to the Panthers, Golden to the Packers. I'll take McMillan because I think that there's a much faster path for him to lead that team and targets from game to game. You don't spend a top 10 pick on that guy and say, well, we need to spread it around between him and Adam Thielen and Xavier Leigh. He's actually the perfect type of receiver that I would want to have with Bryce Young because Bryce Young, we know about the size limitations and he's just, he's got a target now who is literally always open because he's so tall, he's physical enough,
Starting point is 00:07:47 and he can leap for those 50-50 balls. And I would imagine that he's going to have a shot to get north of seven targets per game. So I would have McMillan over Golden, but I do see what you see with Golden. They raved about his character at Texas and at Houston. I did a lot of research on him. He was somebody that coaches talked about, always wanted to get better, always wanted to work with his quarterbacks, really seemed focused on just trying to improve his game. And so I think he'll be receptive to anything that Matt LaFleur and the packers coaching staff puts in front of them and that coaching staff really until the last couple years man that they did a decent job cultivating talent one of the more recent guys they did have success with
Starting point is 00:08:43 success with and turn into a starter was Alan Lazard. And maybe some of that was Aaron Rodgers kind of forcing it. And maybe they were just running out of guys. You remember when Lazard found his opportunities, they, they couldn't find a number two receiver, but Lazard who, who went on drafted ended up being that guy. This is who's replacing Christian Watson. This is someone who could be a do it all receiver for them. I think as far as their healthy receivers go,
Starting point is 00:09:05 the only guy that they have that is that right now is Dobbs. So there's a track for him to play. And I agree with you, Adam. I think the second half of the year, we could see Golden play well and be a very good fantasy. Very good. A good enough to start as like a number three receiver type fantasy option, that's probably what he could be. So I think it's going to come down to a couple of things. Will they throw the ball more? You know, that's a big part of this because what we saw last year was they didn't.
Starting point is 00:09:35 They regressed from what looked like, you know, some potential stars in 2023 when Jayden Reid was, you know, I know doing some things carrying the ball, but they were, you know, much more effective throwing the ball, but they were much more effective throwing the ball that season. And even Christian Watson was having some good plays. If we get Christian Watson back at some point in the latter half of the season, then it becomes very messy because he'll get on the field in some capacity and it's going to be, I think, a little bit of a problem.
Starting point is 00:10:01 But I think also, you're looking at it, and this kind of goes to Dave's point, but I'll take the other side of it, you know, about them cultivating talent. Sometimes they are, they, they've done that, which I think you can make the case, Lazard, maybe Romeo Dobbs. They didn't really do it with Christian Watson, obviously, because you know, whether it was health or whatever, not getting the best out of him. I think it's going to see is Dobbs just a guy? Is Don Tavine-Wicks just a guy? Is Jayden Reed, I don't want to say just a guy but you know, he if those guys aren't potential big-time playmakers and golden is then he'll command targets and he'll get all the production that we look for if
Starting point is 00:10:35 They're all just kind of good players and I know Golden's draft capital doesn't say that but if they're all just good players You know and Dave brought this up. I think or I I think it was Dave, when we were, you know, breaking down the, the wide receivers prior to the draft about, you know, he didn't really come on until the end of his last 10 games. And is that a byproduct of just a player getting it? Or is that a byproduct of, you know, just maybe some things working in his favor? You know, it's hard to see, but clearly he worked himself into a position to get drafted this high. And a lot of people think he was the best receiver in this class. so if all that talent shows then He's going to command the football if that talent doesn't show then we're probably talking about another guy
Starting point is 00:11:13 That's maybe hovering around 100 targets and just part of the you know Another cog in the wheel of this Green Bay receiving course, so it can go either way. I just think fantasy wise He's gonna be a little disappointing by comparison It can go either way. I just think fantasy wise, he's going to be a little disappointing by comparison to what Macmillan could be in his role with the, with the Panthers, to what Hunter could be in his role with the Jaguars and not this year, but eventually what a Bucas role could be with the Bucs. Yeah. Macmillan. I'm pretty pumped for Macmillan. Honestly. Deontay Johnson,
Starting point is 00:11:40 he had, he scored 19.8 or more PPR fantasy points in three of five games with Andy Dalton Adam Thielen in his last seven games after returning from injury Adam Thielen was on pace for 97 catches 1229 yards 10 touchdowns on 121 targets in his last seven games. I think McMillan McMillan could be pretty damn good. All right so I want to get your thoughts on ranking I guess we'll do every position here you know you can obviously you can rank the I think McMillan could be pretty damn good. All right, so I wanna get your thoughts on ranking. I guess we'll do every position here. You know, you can obviously you can rank the quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:12:09 Cam Ward will be one, Dart will be two. But just get your thoughts. We'll go position by position. But first, how about some fantasy losers? I think ranking the wide receivers will be really interesting. I think you can definitely make a case for McMillan over Hunter.
Starting point is 00:12:23 I wonder where people are on that. I'm gonna put a poll up right now. because I think even though we kind of expect Hunter to play wide receiver, we don't know what that means exactly. We don't know how much he's going to be on the field. So let's take the temperature of Twitter and see what people say. Dave, any fantasy? Oh yeah, you know, he's a big loser. You're a big loser, Davis.
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Starting point is 00:13:53 You know, I was hoping that Travis Hunter would go to a team where he'd be the unquestioned number one alpha wide receiver, the type of guy that could command nine to 10 targets per game. Could he lead that team in targets this year? You know, if we're, if we're playing the odds game, I would probably lean a little bit against it. I think it'll be close, but that's a problem. So I don't, I love that he went to Jacksonville. I'm hoping that Jacksonville just becomes one of these teams that just
Starting point is 00:14:21 airs it out every single week. Their defense can't stop anybody. Their run game isn't very good. It's just going to be Trevor Lawrence throwing it all over the place. These two receivers do get in that neighborhood of seven and a half to eight targets per game, and they can be okay. But the upside case for Hunter, and to a lesser degree, Brian Thomas Jr., kind of went out the window. I think those guys are very small losers. Kind of went out the window. So I think that those guys are very small losers I think both tight ends are losers I think Colson Loveland and Tyler Warren going to Chicago and Indy respectively
Starting point is 00:14:53 Loveland being the first tight end off the board. I get it Ben Johnson sees the next Sam Laporta and Colson Loveland that sounds really good for fantasy But there's a lot of sharing that has to be done Not only is it DJ more and Roma doonsay but coal commit is still there and commit still gonna play a decent amount and Loveland, that sounds really good for fantasy, but there's a lot of sharing that has to be done. Not only is it DJ Moore and Romo Dunze, but Cole Comed is still there and Comed is still going to play a decent amount of the time and he could take some touchdowns. But that's another team that if they don't do enough to improve their run game, they're going to throw it all over the place.
Starting point is 00:15:18 And so maybe that'll be a little bit of a help to Loveland, but he'd still probably live around six targets per game. I am hoping that Warren can get six targets per game, but goodness gracious, the quarterback situation in Indy, we knew it wasn't going to be good to begin with. Now he's going to be another short area target in offense that's got Michael Pittman, that's got Josh Downs. I love the talent, I love Warren. I'm probably going to be the guy that takes Tyler Warren in every single draft this year, even though he went to Indianapolis. But I do worry about not only how many targets is he going to get, Adam, but how many touchdowns
Starting point is 00:15:56 is he going to get? We know what happens when the Colts get inside the five. Maybe he takes a couple of rushing touchdowns away from those quarterbacks there. Yeah, he did that. He scored what three rushing touchdowns. Can I give you a stat real quick, Dave? Give me a stat. Make me feel better about. No, that's not what the status.
Starting point is 00:16:14 Daniel Jones in his career has 70 touchdown passes in 70 games. Anthony Richardson in his career. I think he has 11 touchdown passes in something like 15 games. So together, those guys are averaging for their careers about one touchdown per game. We need to see a leap in passing from Anthony Richardson. I don't know if we're going to see that from Daniel Jones, but it's still the volume will be there and just the touchdowns won't be there. It's a, it's a bad combo. And, and again, this was another year where I think let's see, I'm gonna give you the exact stat.
Starting point is 00:16:47 We have had two, two tight ends, three tight ends, three tight ends in the last nine seasons that have finished top five at the position and have not been first or second on their team and targets. So is Colston Loveland going to be first or second on his team and targets. So is Colston Loveland gonna be first or second on his team and targets? I don't think so. Is Tyler Warren, maybe, but why does that matter?
Starting point is 00:17:13 Well, he'll be tight end six, tight end seven. Honestly, that's not that good of a player. Tight end six, tight end seven is really, you're talking like 750 yards and five touchdowns will probably get you to tight end six or tight end seven. So if you're gonna draft a tight end who's gonna have a major impact, he's gotta be a top five tight end
Starting point is 00:17:30 and he has to be first or second on his team and targets to do it almost every single year. Sorry to cut you off, go ahead. Tight end seven last year on a per game basis was Travis Kelsey. He averaged 12.2 PPR points per game. I was not doing per game, doing overalls. When you talk about being first or second.
Starting point is 00:17:48 Well, overall it was Zach Ertz. He averaged 10.4 PPR points per game. Exactly, you're not talking about a huge impact player here. So I know Bears fans like my son Ryan, he's over the moon that they got Colson Loveland. And maybe if Odunze doesn't click, maybe that's the path that it takes for Loveland to be a tight end
Starting point is 00:18:07 monster in Chicago, but I don't love it. And I worry about the touchdowns for Warren. I still love the talent for Warren, but those are some losers right off the bat. Ibuka is probably going to be a loser in 2025. I get why the Bucs took him. I hated that. That was terrible. I know, but Mike Evans is in the contract here again and it might be his last year. Who knows? It could almost certainly be his last year in Tampa. And so, a Buca is a pick for the future for the Buccaneers.
Starting point is 00:18:37 Okay. So, I'm going to ask you, I'm going to come up with a segment right now. It's called Big Important Fantasy Questions. Is Ashton Gentry around one pick? Yes. Yes, especially in non PPR. He's my fourth running back. Would you take, I think Malik neighbors is a little bit of a loser tonight.
Starting point is 00:18:57 Would you take Gentry or neighbors in PPR? Gentry. I currently have neighbors. Why do I think he's a loser? For those of you who are not asking, I'll tell you anyway. Because if they struggle, then it makes sense for them to go to dart. And I don't want them to go to dart.
Starting point is 00:19:12 I want them to go to Jameis. I mean, look what he did last year with the crappy quarterback. It wasn't that good. It wasn't that good after. Oh yeah, he was terrible. No, he got off to a great start. And then he had a huge week 18.
Starting point is 00:19:24 But go ahead and look at, he had a really long stretch with Devito and lock He was a rookie wide receiver and did that hey, hey, I'm just saying I would take him I would take Gentie ahead of him. I'm not saying I think he's garbage Oh, I agree, but yeah, and you said he's a loser because I do think he's a little bit of a loser because I disagree I they're gonna struggle probably and then I was hoping they Jameis. Jameis would be great for him. They struggle, they go to Dart now. So that's a downgrade, probably from Wilson. They may not go to Dart.
Starting point is 00:19:53 Why wouldn't they? You gotta coach, if they're struggling, if they're struggling, Dable's getting fired. They're going to Dart. If they don't think he's ready. If they're struggling, they're going to Jackson Dart because Dable's gonna get fired, right? So you might as well throw this guy out there, see if he can save your job. So I think you got to be thinking about this. You're thinking about Malik Neighbors versus
Starting point is 00:20:12 Brian Thomas Jr. Is Thomas Jr. a loser? I mean, if you're going to make the case that Neighbors is a loser because of the quarterback situation, you have to make a case that Thomas lost because of the addition of Travis Hunter. I think you could make that case. I would say, and I've gone through this, I have a whole list of what happens to veteran pass catchers when they add rookie wide receivers. The main takeaway is that it does not affect great receivers. It can really affect, you know, the Christian Kirks of the world.
Starting point is 00:20:41 But the Brian Thomases probably shouldn't be affected. Do you think he's a loser? And who would you take now? No, I don't. But I'm saying, like, if you're making the case that Malik Nevers is a loser because of a first round quarterback coming in who they may think is great. I mean, look, they traded back into the first round to get him,
Starting point is 00:20:57 and they're not going to rush him to be the starter. I don't know. I don't think Malik Nevers is a loser tonight. A little bit. No, dude. It was Daniel Jones, Drew Lockett. You're misinterpreting. You're misinterpreting. It's not compared to what he had last year. It's compared to the Jamis Winston effect of five. You're saying that had Winston been the guy to take over, he would have been a tremendous
Starting point is 00:21:22 winner. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. But Adam, who drafts a wide receiver because who the backup quarterback? Well, in this particular situation, I think it's pretty realistic that you're going to see a backup quarterback at some point. But anyway, let's move on. Sorry. Next big important fantasy question.
Starting point is 00:21:36 Where are you guys? Ted O'Rourke, McMillan or Travis Hunter? We should draft all the Falcons receivers because they've got Kirk Cousins there too, right? No. What is it? Penix is not going to be here. I currently have, in just what I did tonight, Hunter one or two spots ahead of McMillan. But this is going to be one that's kind of contingent on what happens in camp and where
Starting point is 00:21:56 they're playing Hunter. So if he's going to spend too much time on defense, then I'll be Macmillan. Um, I just think that with Cohen and the new system in Jacksonville, if Trevor Lawrence can finally live up to his potential, this offense could be amazing. Yeah, hell yeah. Yep. Yep. It's pretty close. And Twitter was targeted funneled to those two guys. So seven and a half targets per game is what you should shoot for. But I think
Starting point is 00:22:23 Macmillan can get that. And I don't, I don't think there's much of a, of a touchdown issue in Carolina that could, that could hurt McMillan compared to what's in Jacksonville between Thomas and Hunter. I also think, sorry, to go back to the winner's question just while we're on Jacksonville, obviously Travis ETN and tank pigs be with the trade for now. Yeah. Okay, when are you drafting? Oh, Marianne Hampton. That's my next question.
Starting point is 00:22:55 I'm taking him out of here. I'm taking him out of nausea to round five for me 50th overall. Oh, that really feels like the kind of pick that could win you your league if you're- Or lose it for you. Well, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think of, I want to say it was Javante Williams and Melvin Gordon, right?
Starting point is 00:23:15 We were just, was it, is that the duo? We were waiting and waiting for Javante to take over and he never did except that one game against the Chiefs where he had his huge game. Am I remembering this correctly? And and he never got the job that we thought he was going to eventually get. It happens sometimes and but Hampton definitely has a if you if you make the fantasy playoffs you know he might be the guy who wins it for you if he just takes over. I mean look you
Starting point is 00:23:40 hope it's not Walker and Charbonneur, right? Well, but people weren't drafting Charbonneur. No, but still, you know, coming off of his rookie season, then they draft Charbonneur. It was like, what? Why? Yeah, it was so strange. How much, Aaron is asking, how much did Najee get paid? So one year, $5.3 million deal. I think it was 9.5. That's what I thought originally. But then I saw today 5.3. So I was looking into that because I wrote in my notes back in March, 9.5. I
Starting point is 00:24:12 think it's 5.3. Let's see. I'll look it up right now. As long as it's not crazy money, it's 5.25. There might be some incentives. Four million in incentives available. So if he has a big year, it's 9.25 million. If he gets Hampton, it's 5.25 million and he's on another team next year. The thing that is scary about Najee and it was kind of the problem for Jalen Warren, he never gets hurt and he doesn't fumble.
Starting point is 00:24:40 He's got three fumbles in his career and he's never missed a game. So like as long as he's doing the things that coach is like, he'll stay relevant and maybe too relevant for what Hampton's upside is. But, you know, I think just given the fact that this is the guy that they targeted, they had other needs. We know how deep this running back classes, they could have gotten somebody later in the, in the draft, like this guy's a potential superstar, you know? So, and they used two backs last
Starting point is 00:25:09 year. And I think people forget that because Dobbins was so good. They were using Gus Edwards too. And they also threw to Dobbins, you know, and that's kind of, that's one thing that Hampton should be able to do better than Najee's is catch, make plays in the passing game. Hampton had 38 catches in 12 games, but he but the scouting reports me and everyone seems to agree this guy can be a factor in the passing game. Also, he did have fumble problems Hampton at one point in his career, but he only fumbled once in 2024. It was on a reception. So he did not have a
Starting point is 00:25:36 single fumble on a carry last year, whereas Ashton Genti had four of those by the way. Let me see if I can. Oh, I had a Twitter poll about this, by the way. Amarian Hampton, when are you drafting him? Rounds one through three got 14% rounds four through six got 46% round seven through nine 32% round 10 or later 8%. And then all right, here's one that I put on Twitter as well. How about this fun fact? Hampton was offered by Michigan. One of his first offers was from Michigan. Oh.
Starting point is 00:26:14 He's been on Harbaugh's radar for a long time. That's cool. He finally got him. I like that. All right, what kind of impact will Colston Loveland have on DJ Moore and Roma Dunze's fantasy value? Big impact, I wanted to put deep impacts there, but I didn't think people would get it. Medium impact, little impact or Armageddon.
Starting point is 00:26:32 No, just kidding. But you make them better. They were the same movie. Big impact, medium impact, little impact or bad only for Odunze. What do you guys say? What kind of impact will Colson Loveland have on more and Odunze? Little impact. Yeah, I think I'd lean that way.
Starting point is 00:26:51 That's what Twitter said. 56%. 32% said medium impact. Almost nobody said either a big impact or bad only for N'Odunze. It's an interesting one. Who do you guys like better this year? Warren with the Colts or Loveland with the Bears?
Starting point is 00:27:08 Loveland with the Bears. I'm going to take Warren with the Colts, but I'm worried about the opportunities for both of them. So I'll just take the tight end that I think is a little more talented and might have a little bit of a better path to being the number two target getter on his team. Yeah, so are they going to crack your top 12? I put Loveland 11 and Warren at 12. Oh, fun. Isn't it interesting? They're gonna be real close. I don't Warren might be like 11
Starting point is 00:27:40 for me. Isn't it interesting how we view rookie tight ends now compared to a few years ago? I would say before Kyle Pitts, you didn't even give it a thought that these guys could be good for fantasy. And now we've had Pitts, Laporta, people forget Pitts had set the rookie record at the time for receiving yards. And then Laporta was really good. And then Bowers blew them away. Harris have drafted three first round tight ends in their history. One was the first guy to ever get a thousand yards.
Starting point is 00:28:08 Dicka. Mike Dicka, 1961 I believe. Second one is arguably the best play by play guy on TV right now. Greg Olson. Greg Olson. Wait a minute. Oh, he's the color.
Starting point is 00:28:20 He was on the first round pick. He was. Greg Olson was a first rounder? Yeah, I think so. And the other was Carl Comet. Color analyst, excuse me. Yeah, he was, he was. Okay, all right.
Starting point is 00:28:32 And now Lovelin. Did they not take Comet in the first round or did they take Comet? 31st overall. Yes, he was. They did not take Comet in the first round. All right, do I have any other big, stupid, fantasy questions that need to be answered?
Starting point is 00:28:47 Do you guys wanna take one? Let's see, Milan, Ibuka, Golden, I think you know, we don't usually come out of round one with, okay, the rookie draft is set because we know round two is gonna determine a lot of things. Of course. Right. Like there's going to be some big time movement tomorrow. Oh yeah. With where all these running backs go. And it's going to be a lot of fun.
Starting point is 00:29:14 Oh, because like Hampton, Hampton right now feels like he's in a good spot, especially if you're looking long-term, right? Cause he could be good as a rookie. He could be amazing 20, 26 and beyond. Like once he takes over this backfield completely. But like if Henderson goes to the Broncos, let's just say, or you know, rookie, he could be amazing 2026 and beyond. Like once he takes over this backfill completely. But like if Henderson goes to the Broncos, let's just say, or you know, ends up on a team like that, you know, where there's a clear path to the Cowboys, you know, one of those teams that we've been talking about, Bears going to get somebody like we could we could have the second pick in rookie drafts tomorrow. We could have the third pick in
Starting point is 00:29:43 Ricky Drafts. You know, you know, Judkins could end up in a great spot as well. It might be better than Hampton in some people's minds. So it's gonna be really fun to see how this all shakes out. Right. Could Burden end up somewhere that's gonna make you excited? I don't think you can take him over Hunter or McMillan at this point. There were only two picks I was rooting for. One was, please just take Carter and don't screw up idiots at number three and they didn't. And the other one, the other one was Luther Burton to the Bills. Then the Bills were on the clock. I was like, please take Burton,
Starting point is 00:30:16 please take Burton, please take Burton, please take Burton, and they didn't. Take us through your emotions when you saw that the trade happened? Well, someone texted me and said, is it gonna be Sanders? And I said, I don't think so. I think fart. And then I changed it because it auto corrected to fart. I tried to type that.
Starting point is 00:30:35 And I think that was a sign. That was basically how I feel about this pick. I think it's so stupid. None of these quarterbacks other than Ward should have been first round picks. Trading up to 25 is aggressive, right? I mean, I understand, you know, for people who don't know, when you draft someone in the first round, they're on a four-year contract and you have the team has a fifth year option. So you can keep that player for a fifth year. You draft someone in any other round, it's just a four-year contract. So
Starting point is 00:31:03 there's incentive. We saw with Lamar Jackson, the Ravens traded into the very end of round one, they drafted Lamar Jackson, you get that extra fifth year. That there's incentive to be in the first round if you really like a player. But 25th was pretty high, you know? They didn't trade a 30, 31 or 32. They better feel pretty confident
Starting point is 00:31:21 that someone was going to take Jackson Dart. I'm sort of getting the feeling guys, I don't know how you feel about it and the time will tell. I feel like this is going to be one of the worst NFL drafts. Like we're just going to look at this draft. It's going to be just crap. So I don't know that anyone was really that good at that point or that the Giants, what they have the 34th pick. I don't know that 30. Yeah, fourth. I don't know that anyone was really going to be that good, but I hate the pick. I hate that they traded up. I hate that they gave up three picks, second and two thirds for Jackson Dart.
Starting point is 00:31:52 I don't get it with any of these quarterbacks. So I was pretty disappointed, but honestly, I love a dual-carter, so I'm not so disappointed with the night. Were you at least satisfied knowing that you didn't give up what the Falcons gave up to move back into round one or what the Jaguars gave up to get to number two? The Falcons are so, that was terrible. To give up a first round pick next year, to get the 26th pick in the draft. And they also gave up a second round pick. They got a third rounder back. So they gave up a second rounder, a 20-26 first rounder and a seventh for pick 26
Starting point is 00:32:33 and a third round pick. I didn't necessarily think the Jaguars overpaid. They did give up a lot, including next year's first round pick. I'm curious to see what you guys thought. But in a draft where it's arguable that there were only two elite players, three if you wanna include Gentie, they went and got Hunter. And I just think he's gonna be incredible. So, you know, and I'll tell you,
Starting point is 00:32:57 NFL Network had an interesting stat. It was the first time that a team traded up for a top two pick and didn't select a quarterback since the Rams in 1997. Do you know who they picked? They picked a Hall of Famer. 1977. 1997. Hall of Famer. Pace was 96. You got it. It was pace. Dave beat me. Orlando pace. Yeah. I thought this was the year before, but you're right. He wasn't. It was. How cold do you think Thomas keeps in his house?
Starting point is 00:33:32 Thomas is in South Florida. The beanie is like and a sweatshirt and he's got super long hair. He must be so hot. Um, all right. So the pit, the trade was the Jaguars got the second pick and a fourth round pick and a sixth round pick for the fifth overall pick, which Cleveland turned into Mason Graham, a second round pick, which is 36th overall and a fourth round pick and next year's first. Do you think, Dave, you think they overpaid?
Starting point is 00:34:00 I do. And I think Cleveland was smart about it and we'll see how smart they are because now they have two first rounders in a draft next year that's going to have better quarterbacks than this year's draft. And I almost was hoping that they would trade down again and collect another first. And then they've got all the ammo to go up and get whoever they want in the 2026 draft. So maybe that's what they're going for. I think that is going to be what they're going for.
Starting point is 00:34:28 If they pass on Chaudhuri Sanders with both of their early second rounders on Friday. I mean, look, if, if Hunter is a hall of fame or then it's worth it. Yeah. I would even say if the Jaguars are picking 20th or later next year, it's probably worth it. Right. It's sure.
Starting point is 00:34:44 Yeah. Very much dependent on how they do. 20th or later next year, it's probably worth it, right? It's sure. Yeah. Very much dependent on how they is. Was that pick enough to put them in the driver's seat in the AFC South? It's not going to take much. Texas has really good defense potentially. So that's right. Like that knocking off Houston is not going to be easy for them to do.
Starting point is 00:35:01 The other two teams, I think that big of an ask though. I mean, it's I agree. But okay. If you win the division, you've got the home playoff game. You're in the dance. I think we would look at their roster compared to the Buffaloes, Baltimore's, and Kansas cities and laugh. I don't think Jacksonville can compete with them. But yeah, if that first round or next year is at 20, they make the playoffs, maybe they win a game and then they bow out, okay, then it's a better deal. But if they stink again, then it's a terrible deal.
Starting point is 00:35:36 Trevor Lawrence is good, they're going to be a good team. They may not be a great team, they'll be a good team. And so you just made Trevor Lawrence better today. And so if he is as good as advertised, Travis Hunter, and maybe makes a couple of plays on defense as well, assuming he spends most of his time offensively, then you did what you had to do. And look, as we know, and you said it best, Adam, this is a draft that is really starving for talent. And the Browns knew that. The Browns knew that they had really one of the you
Starting point is 00:36:06 know, two golden tickets, you know, three, if you want to say came word at the top, but two golden tickets with Carter and Hunter sitting there two and three. And so you want them come get them come pay for them and the Jaguars did. All right, the Jaguars no longer have a second round pick. So keep that in mind, but they still have they still have two picks in the top 88. They have the 70th pick and the 88th pick. Imagine if they take a running back that we like in the third round with one of those two picks, and then we're just looking at Liam Cohen
Starting point is 00:36:32 dealing with Lawrence, Hunter, Thomas, and ETN. They could be really good, but their offensive line was awful last year. Awful. So that's still a problem. They're gonna have to work around that. But the thing that I, the thing that I I'm enjoying when I think about the Jaguars is last year, Liam Cohen did a great job when Evans and Godwin were
Starting point is 00:36:56 healthy, their numbers were amazing. When one of them was off the field, they still had decent numbers from somebody. And then when it later on in the year, when it was Evans and McMillan, we were starting both those guys. So he can make this work, he can put something together, where these two receivers can both put up good numbers. I'm just worried about them one or both of them being so good that they're gonna end up being like top 10 fantasy wide receivers. I'm nervous about that.
Starting point is 00:37:23 All right, I got to say, I don't know if we call them that. Wait a second. I'm sorry. All right, we we got to take come back to that. Let's take another break and come back to what David's just said about you're talking about the Jaguars receivers. Yeah. All right. Let's let's being top 10. Why? No, let's just let's just talk about that. Because if people don't think Brian Thomas is a top 10 receiver, that's pretty big news, I'd say.
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Starting point is 00:38:34 Conditions apply to all benefits. Visit pcfinancial.ca for details. All right, welcome back. So we're talking about Brian Thomas. What we're going to do now, we're going to finish up this conversation about Brian Thomas Jr. with Travis Hunter going to the Jacksonville Jaguars can he be will he be a top 10 wide receiver and then we're going to go through all of the quarterbacks running backs wide receivers tight ends and offensive linemen that were picked today and just get quick reaction from Dave and Jamie
Starting point is 00:38:56 on all of them. So Brian Thomas let's see where did he finish last year he was fifth per game fifth overall but 14th per game in full PPR, fourth overall and 11th per game in non PPR. Almost 1300 yards, 10 touchdowns in 17 games. His last six games were just insane. Well, his last nine games without Christian Kirk. As soon as Christian Kirk went out, he was on pace for 159 targets,
Starting point is 00:39:21 1,339 yards, nine touchdowns, over 100 catches. But the last four games, 159 targets in those nine games. But then the last four games were without Kirk and Ingram, and he all of a sudden goes to a 204 target pace and 1800 yards, 17 touchdown pace, yes. So I do think that was interesting, that really he had a very small sample size Brian Thomas jr Of Kirk Ingram and him all on the field and it was a it made a huge difference when these guys were out a huge difference
Starting point is 00:39:53 It's also with Mac Jones. I'll keep that in mind too. Yeah, I don't really care I mean one thing I've learned is like if a guy does this as a rookie You just don't make excuses don't or don't you know don't say well it was because of this that it happened It means he's awesome. So yeah, top 10 wide receiver, Brian Thomas Jr. Yes or no? Yes. If Rashid Rice is good to go, no suspension, no injury, no.
Starting point is 00:40:17 Are you serious? You would start Rashid, you would draft Rashid Rice over Brian Thomas Jr.? Yep. I'm drafting Xavier Worthy over Rashid Rice. Dave Richard, no. I don't agree. Why? Short area target in Kansas City's offense
Starting point is 00:40:31 when they can't run the ball and they figure to be in competitive games. Don't know that they can't run the ball, first of all. Did you watch Brian? Brian Thomas Jr. is like a legend. Rishi Rice is. He was a legend. He was the only guy being a legend for Jacksonville.
Starting point is 00:40:45 They just got another legend. I'm sorry. Did Xavier worthy get traded? Xavier worthy was awesome in his last three games too. That's going to be another crowded offense. Well, yeah. I mean, yeah. So again, let me see if I can.
Starting point is 00:41:02 I was there for a full season too. What happens to veteran wide veteran pass catchers when they are paired with good rookies? Again, I mean, I just found a lot of like like Justin Jefferson wasn't hurt by Jordan Addison. Right now, I'll give you a guy who was hurt. Adam Thielen was hurt by Justin Jefferson. You know, Jamar Chase T. Higgins was affected by. No, not really. He wasn't actually.
Starting point is 00:41:31 He averaged more targets per game. T. T. Higgins averaged more targets per game in his second year with Chase than he did in his first year in just the games that Burrow played. Let's talk. OK, Devontae Smith. No, we didn't really have, because they traded for AJ Brown the same year they got Devontae Smith, right?
Starting point is 00:41:50 So we don't have that. Like I said, I found it like, the players that are affected are the not so great players. Great players are not really affected. Cooper Cup was kind of hard to tell. But Nico Collins, like Nico Collins had a breakout season and Tank Del had an amazing season. So really, I think the most likely scenario is that Trevor Lawrence just gets better. And also you don't have Evan Ingram taking all these targets and you don't have Christian Kirk taking all these targets.
Starting point is 00:42:20 So I don't really see it as a problem. Yeah, no, it's awesome. I'm not saying get rid of Brian Thomas Jr. and call him a middle of the pack number two wide receiver. Thomas wants it on this show so bad. I wouldn't be 11. Well now that you're bringing up Brian Thomas Jr., he broke out with Mac Jones, not with Trevor Lawrence. He broke out with Mac Jones.
Starting point is 00:42:42 So what? That doesn't matter. He's averaging almost 12 targets per game after the buy. And he was getting monster PPR points. There's no question about any of this. Yeah. If you tell me right now he's going to get 12 targets per game, he should be like no number three. Who would tell you that? I'm not telling you that he's getting too much. Your case for Brian Thomas Jr. to be a top five wide receiver wherever you're putting him, is that he's just going to keep on doing what he did at the end of last year.
Starting point is 00:43:09 No, at the end of last year, no, at the end of last year, he was on pace for 1800 yards and 17 touchdowns. It's going to come. There's no chance that's ever happened. Of course. I'm not much rather than otherwise be the first pick in the draft. But I definitely think he could be a first round pick kind of player. And for she, yeah, I don't know, putting him in the Rishi rice range or that surprises me. Yeah, I, I just, right. Averaging over 21 PPR points per game. He had 9.7 targets per game in his first
Starting point is 00:43:37 three game. That guy needs to come back. And I don't think he gets 9.7 targets per game either because of Jamie was talking about it Xavier worthy that worthy will have a bigger role. And Kelsey still there too. All these awesome. That's his man too many good receivers. Too many questions elsewhere. By the way, she writes, if they added Xavier worthy, they added Marcus Brown, Marcus Brown got hurt. You know what he did? He just picked up where he left off, right? Because when a rookie wide receiver is that good,
Starting point is 00:44:08 they usually aren't deterred. But Brian Thomas Jr. was so much better than Rashid Rice was. So I just, I don't think Travis Hunter's going to- Just imagine what Rashid Rice would do if he had 12 targets per game. Not as much as Brian Thomas. Not as much as Brian Thomas. Not as much as Brian Thomas, but it would still be very good. It's irrelevant though, but all right. So Jamie, do you think- All of this is irrelevant
Starting point is 00:44:30 because we're talking about receivers that are gonna get plenty of good target volume from week to week. I don't know if any of them are gonna be in the double digit target per game range. All right. Okay, let's go to, all right. Let's talk about the quarterbacks cam ward. First overall to Tennessee
Starting point is 00:44:49 Jackson dart 25th. We forget about that. Would you say it's almost like we forget about that. Where was the first text? I know. A year ago. What's your what's your fantasy take on that for Tennessee? Uh, I mean, we haven't talked about this because it happens
Starting point is 00:45:04 since our last show, but they did sign Tyler Lockett. So they did bring in somebody else who's got at least some veteran chops to help this receiving court, which definitely needs something. I hope they're not done by any stretch, but adding Lockett to hopefully at least be an upgrade on what he's done on Fortnite that Traylon Burks is his fourth favorite receiver of all time, Cam Ward did. So they need to add some weapons still. It's not a bad starting point with Calvin Ridley and Lockett and Chick, but it's not great. So he doesn't have the weapons. I still think he's
Starting point is 00:45:37 a, he's definitely a questionable number one overall pick. I still think he's a questionable prospect coming into the league. We've heard differing opinions. Would he even be a first round pick last year? I think was it Ryan Wilson said that he would have been his third favorite quarterback out of Drake May. So people are all somewhat all over the map with the evaluation of Cam Ward. So I mean, I think he's easily a number two fantasy quarterback. He doesn't have the same upside as what I thought for Caleb Williams and Jane Daniels because he doesn't run to the same level of what Daniels did coming into the league and I think he'll be a little bit questionable like Caleb Williams was in terms of how he plays. So number two quarterback chance to be a top 12 guy for sure as the season progresses but he just doesn't have the weapons yet right now. So if they can somehow find a way
Starting point is 00:46:24 to get another receiver in the building. I actually was hoping that this was a Kenyan Allen destination maybe still can be. But he needs help. He needs help to be a better fantasy quarterback. And we already knew we've been talking about Calvin Ridley. You know, we're anticipating that it was going to be cam ward for a while now. Who do you draft first, Cam Ridley, Calvin Ridley or Tony Pollard?
Starting point is 00:46:52 I have Pollard over Ridley as of now. I would probably take Pollard, but it would depend on my build. You're like Slender. I knew you were gonna go there. What do you think? Yeah. All right, I think that's it.
Starting point is 00:47:04 And then we don't have't talk about Jackson Dart. We'll talk about, you know, there's plenty of time for dynasty talk. I guess you can give a quick dynasty take. Is Jackson Dart as of right now going to be a top 12 pick in a super flex dynasty rookie only draft? Yes. He might be like 10th, ninth.
Starting point is 00:47:24 Running backs, Gentie sixth overall to the Raiders. Jamie says he's RB4 for him. Behind who? Behind Bijan, Gibbs and Barclay in that order. Dave, your thoughts? I worry about whether or not Gentie can get to 20 PPR points per game. If I think he can, and I see enough out there where you can think it through, does he get enough catches?
Starting point is 00:47:56 Does he get three plus catches a week? Does he score enough? Those are the things that hold me back. Marinating him versus Kyron Williams and Christian McCaffrey. I think it's probably going to be more fun to take Gentie over those guys though. So, not too far off. My fourth running back was Achan and he was amazing when Tua was healthy last year. So take that into account, forget about the non-Tuoh games. So hopefully Tuoh is healthy for a full season.
Starting point is 00:48:26 But I mean, what this kid has the potential to do with such limited competition, a better quarterback, a better play caller, the offensive line I think is going to surprise people if it didn't already last year because it's one of the better offensive lines in the league, top half at least. Yeah, I think it couldn't, you couldn't have for you know, better landing spy. I know I said bears was my favorite destination. This was one of the top three. So very excited to see him performing for for Las Vegas next year.
Starting point is 00:48:54 We talked about Hampton and Hampton. I think Jamie said he take him in round five. Dave, you were around the same range with Hampton, right? Early round five. Would you take a Marion Hampton or Alvin Camara at this point? Come here Camara if it's PPR Hampton if it's none. Yep, James Connor or Hampton at this point. I Put him right behind Connor. So they're close. Yeah, I want to see what the rest of the cardinal draft looks like but if and nine Connor. So they're close. I want to see what the rest of the cardinal draft looks like. But if, and I don't think you'll get this from Harbaugh, but if the reporting out of Chargers camp is Hampton's taking a lot of first team reps and looking like he's going to be the
Starting point is 00:49:37 lead guy, then I'll lean toward the younger player. All right. Let's go to the wide receivers. Travis Hunter second overall to the Jaguars. He had over 1200 yards in 13 games last year, 96 catches for Colorado. So you have him ranked right now, Jamie? Where do you have Travis Hunter? He's right around 37, 38. And Dave, you have him ranked? Late round six, early round seven. You said 27, 28 or 37, 38?
Starting point is 00:50:05 37. Okay. It's just so interesting. Sounds like I'm higher. So when you rank Travis Hunter outside your top, just outside your top 36, are you doing that because you're worried about snap count? Just a lot of good wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:50:20 It's hard to get him much higher than that for me. So like he's in the range right now and I'm excited about the 49 years guys. Uh, excited about a doings a, um, the two Steelers guys are in that range. Um, you know, so he's, I know 37 is typically we say outside the top, you know, top three wide receivers, but I think he's a solid number three fantasy here, sure. I wish I were a Jaguars fan. It Man, I wish I were a Jaguars fan.
Starting point is 00:50:46 It would be so fun to be a Jaguars fan right now. Just the anticipation. Once upon a time, we had a colleague who was a Giants fan that went to a Giants-Jaguars game, had a little too much to drink and said before his night was over, go Jaguars. Really? He said go Jaguars before he ran it full sprint down a hotel hallway and pulled the hamstring while doing it. Okay, I have no idea. This by the way is not me. I have
Starting point is 00:51:13 absolutely no idea who they're talking about. But that's very funny. Okay, Carolina taking Tet Macmillan eighth overall. I mentioned that Deontay Johnson was good in this offense last year very briefly with Andy Dalton. Adam Thielen was good in his last seven games after returning from injury. One thing that I should mention is that Bryce Young he played ten games after he came back from being benched and people were like oh yeah he played pretty well. He may have but his stats were not good at all. He averaged 6.6 yards per attempt. That is, so, but, you know, it's got better,
Starting point is 00:51:47 clearly, and could take another step. Okay, Dave, your thoughts on McMillan real quick. Quality number three receiver in PPR, I think he'll get the volume that we like. For now, he's one notch ahead of Hunter. I've got both those guys ahead of Zay Flowers, Calvin Ridley, the 49ers guys, Jacoby Myers. Things will change tomorrow, but for now I've got those guys back to back. I think I'm going to end up being bullish on both those guys, but Hunter specifically, and that's probably part of the reason why I'm not as Gaga for BTJ as you guys are, you know, I think Dave, you should just move Trevor Lawrence all the way up.
Starting point is 00:52:35 Keep on. He's going to get picked. He's going to be a late round pick. Trevor Lawrence or Caleb Williams, Caleb Williams, Caleb, but the value for Trevor will probably be better. I don't remember the stat off top of my head. Caleb Williams has had the most rushing yards for a quarterback without a rushing touchdown since I believe RG3 in 2011 or something like that.
Starting point is 00:53:01 Pretty crazy. All right, is a Mecca Ibuka even worth drafting in a redraft league? Abuca 19th overall pick to the box. One of your last picks. Now I say this as somebody who was drafting Jaylen Macmillan one of my last picks too. So I just like the offense and I you know, I think one of the best GMs in the NFL that does not get enough credit is Jason Light. Like what he's done with different iterations of this franchise, the last seven, eight years,
Starting point is 00:53:35 you know, Brady to Baker to, you know, taking shots on guys clearly, um, and drafting amazingly. Uh, you know, it's clearly more of an eye toward the future. But I mean think about it Godwin's coming off a pretty serious ankle injury Both guys missed at least four games last year in Evans and Godwin Jalen May Millen missed time last year too before he took off at the end of the season So who knows how the beginning starts like it? Light addressed the media after I don't know how much you guys paid attention to some of the post-draft comments, but like Dable saying, Russell Wilson is our starter. Jason Light, I think it was Jason Light, I don't think it was Todd Bolz, but Jason Light
Starting point is 00:54:14 said this was not a pick because we're concerned about Godwin. So good. Still something to keep an eye on though. You know, I mean, we spent a lot of time in one of our shows is off season, relates to Rashi Rice too. Like these guys that are coming off pretty significant injuries, like how much do you buy back into them being the same right away?
Starting point is 00:54:32 Godwin showed us once upon a time, right? He was pretty problematic off an injury. No. Yeah. Okay. All right, next up. Me? No, that's that Sonic commercial that I know.
Starting point is 00:54:47 But I took the actual sound bite. Matthew Golden, 23rd overall. What we have talked about this. All right, Dave, what do you have Golden right now in your rankings? He's going to be like double digit round pick, maybe around 10. As of now, I'll take them over a Bucca, but I just, I, I, I, why am I drafting them? What's the, am I really going to draft them and hold onto them for like the first half of the season and just see what happens or am I going to draft them? And after three weeks, they're not doing much much of anything I'm going to cut them. At least with Golden there's
Starting point is 00:55:31 a much easier path for him to not only play but get a lot of targets, maybe even lead the Packers and targets that might be 6.7 targets but it'll be there. So I'm not overly excited in redraft for these guys. I'm I will take a buka over golden in dynasty. I don't put golden and a buka in the same category for 2025. Yeah, golden golden could easily be the best receiver on his team. All right, that Okay, my next question is he the first Packers wide receiver you're drafting? Matthew Gold? No, I
Starting point is 00:56:04 would still take Jayden Reed first, but I would take him second. I think he's going to be more talented than Romeo Dobs. We know has been touchdown dependent. Don Tavion-Wicks has had a hard time catching the ball. Christian Watson obviously is not ready to play. So I think if you look at Reid and what he at least did two years ago, knowing that he's entering his third season, hopefully that he'll be, you know, getting an opportunity to get some, maybe bigger target share without Watson there. To me, he's a little bit safer, but I think he's, he's a loser, you know, in, you know, following draft night just based on the addition of gold.
Starting point is 00:56:37 Um, so like for me, gold is like right around wide receiver 50. Uh, that's kind of basically where I had Romeo Dobson for the draft. I have this sound bite here that says Dan loves Jamie. I don't know what it is. I think I know what it is. Let's find out. What I think about and Jamie broke this down well I thought really well. Really well I knew it was that. Okay uh dynasty give me a quick dynasty take on these wide receivers. What I was going to eventually be a high volume quality receiver, potentially a number one receiver for Tampa. Why don't we just rank them right?
Starting point is 00:57:15 Why don't we just be the receiver for green bags? Let's just rank them for dynasty. Travis Hunter one. Yes, right now, yes. McMillan, too. Yep. Yep. And then what? Dave said Ibuka over Golden. I would go Golden over Ibuka just with the concern that if Evans doesn't leave and Godwin now has his contract and Jalen McMillan is still on his rookie deal, like we could be in another crowded situation
Starting point is 00:57:45 whereas the Packers easily move on from Wicks and Dobbs after the season, I think. And Watson is never good again because of his knee. All right, let's go to the tight ends here. How realistic is it that a day two tight end will end up higher in your rankings this year for 2025 than Colston Loveland to the Bears and Tyler Warren to the Colts.
Starting point is 00:58:08 That's a good question. So like fan in or fan in would probably be the one where he'd end up on a team where he could be number two and he goes to the Jets or the Patriots. It wouldn't be those two teams. It would be Mason Taylor going to the Chargers. I mean, the jet situations, the quarterback situations is just the same as the Bears and the Colts. Like Justin Fields throwing to those guys is just a little bit of a step above at least the Colts situation.
Starting point is 00:58:33 He's in the middle. Could you say though that less target competition on the Jets than the Colts? But it's also less passing on the Jets. Not than the Colts though. Yeah, I think I'd probably, I, but, but to your question though, like taking that guy on the jets over those two guys, not for me, the Cowboys, the chargers getting these guys, you know, then I don't
Starting point is 00:58:57 even think the Cowboys. I mean, I think Jake Ferguson is still good enough that he's going to command targets compared to a day two Titan. Yeah. I, I'm going to be different because I love Tyler Warren. I could see myself just making Tyler Warren my top Titan no matter what. I could see myself putting Fanon ahead of Loveland. I don't love the idea of it, but I could see it happening. I wouldn't do it for Dynasty, but there are two places where tight ends could go where, you know, thrust right into decent playing time. Sure. And no one's moving Loveland from the top spot for me. Houston's interesting. Houston is the second pick of day two. The Browns have two picks in the top four. We don't want to see that Titans Raiders. No Patriot. You said
Starting point is 00:59:41 no to the Patriots. Is that because they just used they still have hunter Henry and they still hoop, right? They used him a lot But so that you don't want the Patriots you don't think that'd be a good spot for like a Harold Fannin or a royal or somebody Like that Jamie, I don't disagree. I think again is more long-term than short-term but to move those guys from the top spots No, I don't think those move the needle. I think it's Chargers for sure, you know if they go out and get somebody just knowing what their room looks like right now with Tyler Conklin and Will Disley, maybe the Seahawks,
Starting point is 01:00:11 you know, just looking at Noah Fant and the receiving core there so they can have somebody run a little bit more 12 personnel. Trying to think of any other teams. Rams? Maybe, I mean, Tyler Hapey was actually really good when he came back week 16 on in the playoffs. Like he had scored three touchdowns, he had three games with 10 PPR points or more.
Starting point is 01:00:30 I was actually pretty surprised. I know he's 32, but again long term, yes. But short term to move those guys? No. Like for me it's really just, it's got to be a fan in, tailor you know someone that's got a chance to be a playmaking tight end a receiving option right away and take the starter off the field or immediately be the starter right away. You're doing a dynasty draft how pick a tight end Loveland or Warren Warren.
Starting point is 01:01:07 Are you drafting that tight end ahead of Travis Hunter or Ted Arroa McMillan? No, definitely not Hunter. Probably not Macmillan. And what about the others? What about a buka and golden a buka to the box golden to the Packers. Yeah, I think. What's that? It would probably be need for my team. So if I need a tight end desperately, then easily.
Starting point is 01:01:33 If my receiving core is good, then probably. If I'm looking at just best player available, I probably still lean receiver. I think I'll take Warren over those receivers in a best player available situation. Let's do it. I think I take the receivers over Loveland in a best player available situation. I think I'd take the receivers over Loveland in a best player available situation. My bad. Let's do a super flex dynasty mock draft right now.
Starting point is 01:01:54 Jamie, you're on the clock. Let's see. You can only take people who were selected today. All right, smart ass. You get Shanti. Dave, you're on the clock. Hampton. Cam Ward.
Starting point is 01:02:11 Am I picking fourth or first? Oh yeah, you know, we'll snake it. I'll take Cam Ward and... Well, no, we gotta do it. Oh, you have fourth pick then. Go ahead, you have the fourth pick. So I'll take Hunter. I'll take Warren.
Starting point is 01:02:30 No, McMillan is still there, right? Yeah, but I'll take Hampton. Do you want to take McMillan? No, I took Hampton at two. This is a great exercise. Sorry. It's one in the morning on the Eastern Seaboard and we're doing a super flex mock draft of eight players. Man Alright, I'll take Will Campbell
Starting point is 01:02:51 Let's just finish by talking about the offensive lineman. Do you think the offensive lineman? Matter will Campbell to the Patriots. He's probably gonna play left tackle He has short arms, but they're hoping he's gonna be left tackle. Armand Membu to the Jets seventh overall. He's a right tackle and they don't they they might have a solid offensive line if Membu is good. Kelvin Banks to the Saints at nine. He played left tackle for Texas, but they have a left tackle until East Fugaga. So I hope I'm guessing they're going to move banks to right tackle. Tyler Booker to the Cowboys. He's a guard 12th overall gray is able to the Seahawks
Starting point is 01:03:29 18th overall P Prisco says is able can play anywhere on the offensive line. I think he's considered though a Interior lineman not prisc one of the best linemen one of the best players period at the senior bowl Donovan Jackson to Minnesota. He's an interior offensive lineman. Looks like he'll play guard. He went 24th overall. The commanders took tackle Josh Connerly, Connerly 29th overall. And a really interesting pick. The Chiefs take Josh Simmons, 32nd overall.
Starting point is 01:03:56 He missed the season, right? He missed the entire season? I believe he got hurt in season. OK, sorry about that. Pete Prisco says he's the best offensive tackle in this class when he's healthy. Torres patella. So the Chiefs take a high upside gamble on an offensive tackle Josh Simmons, they need offensive line help.
Starting point is 01:04:15 So hopefully he can be back early. Okay, I any thoughts guys? They'll all be great. Great. I will say that I went every year I look at where the PFF grades are for all of the first round picks and they're usually pretty low. First round rookie picks, they are rarely like really good. So I would not look at these guys and be like, oh, huge upgrade on the offensive line. It takes time usually for offensive linemen. That's just based on one metric.
Starting point is 01:04:50 That's PFF grades, but that's pretty much all I've got for you. Okay, we will talk to you tomorrow after day two. Thank you all very much for watching this and get some sleep. And I'll see you next time. Bye. MUSIC

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