Fantasy Football Today - NFL Draft Day Three Recap! D'Andre Swift! (04/29 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 30, 2023

Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  We bring on Chris Trapasso who knows these prospects like the back of his hand. We'll tell you what you can generally expect from Day 3 picks and which players might have been steals this season (4:40). Then we'll get into the D'Andre Swift trade (12:05)! Who is the best Fantasy running back on the Eagles and Lions? ... Chris gives us his thoughts on Jahmyr Gibbs and the Lions backfield (19:50), then we get a little more talk about Zach Charbonnet and Ken Walker (22:00). Did we overreact yesterday? ... News and notes (31:40), winners (33:35) like Tony Pollard and Raschaad White and then Chris gives his thoughts on each position now that the NFL Draft is over. He talks quarterback (39:15), running back (41:30), wide receiver (45:05) and tight end (49:10) ... Email us at [e-mail] Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. And that is it for the 2023 NFL Draft. Welcome to Day 3 coverage. Adam Azer, Dave Richard, and special guest Chris Trapasso joining us today. Chris is a very useful resource right now. This guy scouts everyone. He wrote up so many draft grades on CBSSports.com on our draft tracker. So if you want to know, hey, my team, what do we think

about this pick they made in the fifth round? I don't know anything about this guy. Chris is your man. He's going to help us out as we get going through day three. There were nine quarterbacks drafted in day three. There were five running backs in rounds four and five alone. There were six wide receivers in rounds four and five. And there was a big

trade. DeAndre Swift is probably the guy we need to spend the most time on. But dave before we introduce chris to the audience here uh what do you think about just day three picks in general last year was actually a pretty good year uh but what what can we expect in general from guys going on saturday i needed to be reminded of that adam um i was watching the picks rolling in in round four uh because i have nothing else to do and i i thought to myself you know this is kind of it feels like it's an underwhelming class and you know maybe i should go run errands or talk to my family something like that and then i i decided you know what maybe i just need a reminder of what last year's day three was like and what

it meant for fantasy and everybody already knows dam Damian Pierce was drafted on day three last year. Tyler Algier, Isaiah Pacheco. He was just a glimmer in our eye last April. And then in August, he became a fantasy sensation and really carried it all the way through the playoffs. Romeo Dobbs had two games with 15 plus PPR points. That's probably as good as it gets for the receivers, but tight ends. Oh, the day three tight ends. Let's hear Chigokonkwo,

five games with 10 or more PPR points. K-Dot and Isaiah Kelly or Isaiah Likely, excuse me. Those guys were good for fantasy for a spell. And last but not least, and this is probably the first name that was on your mind, Adam, Brock Purdy. Five games with 20 plus fantasy points last year. And when he's healthy, he's going to be the starting quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers. I don't have to tell you when he was drafted. You already know. Yeah, it's irrelevant, but that's a joke. You should have kept going. But you know what? I didn't want to make it sound like I really thought it was irrelevant. So,

you know, it's irrelevant. What was going to make it funnier? I know, but there were some people would have hated me for it. Anyway, Chris, you heard some of the names Dave mentioned, like the tight ends. At no point were those guys really fantasy relevant, but they did have good games. But the running back, we also had,

two years ago, we had Ramondre Stevenson as a day three pick, and we had Khalil Herbert as a day three pick. Once upon a time, Jordan Howard was RB10 as a rookie. He was a day three pick once upon a time Jordan Howard was RB 10 as a rookie he was a day three pick James Robinson undrafted what do you I guess actually let me ask you this do you see we've mostly talked about running backs do you see a path to fantasy success for any of the guys that were drafted today absolutely and it's kind of funny this kind of gels with the fantasy perspective

that in my scouting grade book, how my system is set up when I'm grading these players and it spits out a number in this formula that I've set up, I usually have running backs like graded lower than everyone else. I am a firm believer that they should actually be drafted on day three. So the names like Isaiah Pacheco, Khalil Herbert flashed a little bit for the Bears, who was a sixth rounder a couple of years ago. This is right where I still think you can get quality players, especially at the running back spot. I think for receivers, there's a little bit of a more difficult path to get those opportunities when you're a fifth or a sixth or a seventh round pick, just to get the reps in training camp with the ones early in your career.

But running backs, even if you start as the running back three as a rookie, it's not that crazy or out of the realm of possibility that suddenly by November, you're the starting running back and you're a very useful waiver wire ad for a lot of these owners, even as a day three pick in your first year. Anyone that you really like that jumps out like, oh, wow, what an impact this guy could have. I mean, look, the Bengals drafted a running back. You got some handcuffs maybe for the Jets and the Giants.

Dallas drafted a running back. Seattle drafted another running back. And then maybe some wide receivers. I don't know. Anyone that you – look, I don't want to just – I don't want to completely crap on day three because, like I said, guys come out of nowhere. But any steals? Any steals for you at the skill position?

Yes, a bunch. A bunch. I'll start with running back. Israel Abanakanda going to the Jets in the fifth round, 143 overall. Of course, there's Brees Hall there. But he is coming off the injury. And I'm not, of course, going to the Jets in the fifth round, 143 overall. Of course, there's Brees Hall there, but he is coming off the injury, and I'm not, of course, going to call him injury-prone yet, but there is Michael Carter there as well, who I think was, what,

the first pick in the fourth round a couple years ago. He was. Abanacanda, not even 21 years old yet, and in the scouting world, to me, if you are that young and you were a very productive player in college at 18 and 19 years old, that's usually a pretty good sign for how good you're going to be at the next level. He had a 320-yard game against Virginia Tech with six touchdowns this past season. A lot of people thought, hey, in 2021, when there was Kenny Pickett there, when there was Jordan Addison, he was pretty good. He got on the draft radar. He was going to come crashing down to earth without those players there.

And it didn't happen. He has big time home run hitting ability. So even if he's not getting even 10 carries a game, he could hit maybe a 50 or 60 yard touchdown. He really has that explosiveness and that speed. And I think he's really elusive. He can be that yards after contact force missed tackle player. He was above 30% in his highest season when it came to forcing missed tackles at Pittsburgh. So he was the one that really popped out at the running back spot. I'm

kind of trying to go back to all these players I just drafted and see if there's any others that stick out. But that was the one in the fifth round, even behind Brees Hall with the Jets adding a lot to their offensive line and having Aaron Rodgers, who of course, that's going to be the focal point of defensive game plans. Izzy Abanacanda, I think is one. You guys can tell me if he's worth being drafted, but this is a big time talent that the Jets picked on day three. The answer is yes, because if you look at the depth chart behind him or with him battling for the spot behind Brees Hall, it's Zoneman Knight and it's Michael Carter. And I kind of feel like this coaching staff, I think we already know how they feel about Michael Carter. And I don't think anybody was so impressed with Bam Knight last year that he should just immediately be the backup. I think a band of candle have a chance if Brees Hall isn't ready for week one to be the lead running back for

the Jets. And I think he's a decent long-term play for dynasty. You know, it stinks that he's behind Brees Hall, but he is talented. There's no question about it. Yeah. Yeah. I can bring up one other name too, that I just, I'm just looking at the wiki page of all the picks at the running back spot, Roshan Johnson to the bears in the fourth round. I'm usually lower on the powerful runners that take a lot of hits just because it seemingly shortens that shelf life at the next level. But he was the most effortlessly powerful player where he is explosive and he has such a thick lower half that with Roshon Johnson, you just see linebackers and safeties coming in for the big hit. They just glance off of him. Last season, almost 50% of

his runs featured a force missed tackle, which is astronomically high. Of course, everyone is paying attention to B. John Robinson, and rightfully so. But that's another one. Short yardage situations, a red zone would make a lot of sense for them after losing David Montgomery. And he was a pretty explosive tester too. So Roshon Johnson was someone. Doesn't really fit the profile of the speedy Kyle Shanahan, Mike McDaniel, long hitter, home run hitter that can hit those long runs.

But if you want to go for a power back who can excel in today's NFL, I think it's a Roshan Johnson type player. Kind of like a Ramondre Stevenson type. Is he kind of like a Deontay Foreman? Right, I was going to say. Yeah, yes, yes, yes. That's actually a better cop. He's like a foreman. Yes, absolutely. That's actually a better cop. He's like a foreman.

Yes, absolutely. That's, that's better than remand Ray Stevenson. And that's his competition for playing time. Yeah. That's his competition for playing time this year that they were splitting backs.

It wasn't exactly 50, 50 last year with Montgomery and Herbert, but that they definitely want to have that physical edge to them. That's what this off season has told me. One of those backs will, will be worth drafting, Foreman or Roshon. Roshon's just fun to say. Yeah. By the way, let's not forget Amonra St. Brown, day three pick a couple years ago.

He was terrific. But we don't get a lot of wide receivers from day three contributing as rookies. But I'm going to read. I'll just read the round four and five guys, and you can tell me if you like any of them i i know i've tyler scott is a name that has come up just on analysis read and listened to over the last couple of months i think a lot of people would like him out of cincinnati he also went to the bears but we had darius davis to the chargers charlie jones to the bangles tyler scott to the bears justin shorter to the bills uh don tavian wicks to the Bears, Justin Shorter to the Bills, Dontavian Wicks to the Packers,

Huka Nakua to the Rams, Parker Washington, Jack... Oh, I'm sorry, I'm already in the sixth round. All right, I'll stop there at Nakua. Anyone jump out as potential 2023 contributors? Dontavian Wicks from Virginia to the Packers, only because last year, you guys already mentioned Romeo Dobbs. They had obviously Christian Watson at the top of the second last year who had that stretch where he looked like an elite future fantasy player. It seems like they're like, hey, we're kind of going to this new chapter with Jordan Love. We're going to have a

lot of young pieces in there. They drafted Jaden Reed, who I loved, in the third round. Wicks is unique in that he's tall and skinny and kind of has unorthodox movements on the field that help him get open against press. And he's that rebounder. He's kind of like a small forward in basketball. So if there's a bunch of young pieces in Green Bay, obviously Dobbs and Watson would kind of have the leg up already having that year of experience under their belt. But Wicks is someone who tested well, that was productive at Virginia, that I could see them saying, hey, look, all of a sudden he's our wide receiver three

or four in this offense and was picked in the fifth round. Okay, Dave, I need to get your opinion on DeAndre Swift going to the Eagles. Whoa. He went to Georgia, by the way, so it really shouldn't surprise you that he's on the Eagles. Most predictable trade ever. Yeah. And you know what? A lot of people were hoping that the Eagles would take Jameer Gibbs. Instead, the Lions took Jameer Gibbs and the Eagles have DeAndre Swift.

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All right, Dave, let's talk about it. DeAndre Swift to the Eagles. So you've got Rashad Penny, DeAndre Swift, theoretically is the top two guys there. And you've got David Montgomery and Jameer Gibbs as the top two guys in Detroit. Who's your favorite running back for fantasy from those two teams? It's still David Montgomery. Remember, we're playing for stats.

We're not playing for talent. We're not playing for who's the fastest. And I still think Montgomery will begin the season with a big role in Detroit. Gibbs could eventually catch him, could end up taking work away from him to the point where he's seeing more touches per game than Montgomery. But Gibbs has never been a goal line back. And I don't think that he will be asked to do that as part of his rookie campaign. Swift is right in that mix with Gibbs. I just don't trust him to stay healthy. And I don't trust him to be the full-time back ever. That's the end of that sentence. I think he's going to share not only with Rashad Penny for as long as he's healthy, but also Kenny Gainwell, man. Gainwell earned some

cred in that offense with his playoff performance last year. So I don't think they're getting away from him. I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being a pretty messy backfield in Philadelphia, where they kind of mix and match all three guys over the course of the season. Don't think you should take any Eagles running back at this point until round seven at the absolute earliest. And that's just where I come out on it. I totally get that. I totally get that.

At the same time, Rashad Penny is, I think, fair to say the most injury-prone running back in football. It's like clockwork. And DeAndre Swift is so good. I mean, look at this stretch. Let me see if I can find it in my notes. Yeah, I'm sure I can. This stretch of DeAndre Swift,

remember he got going his last six games of his rookie season and then the first 10 games of his second season. So that was a 16 game stretch. And in that 16 game stretch, he was on pace for 1,587 total yards, 11 touchdowns, 81 catches. And I mean, that's just what he's been. He's been really good when he's gotten work. And it's usually about 12 and a half, 13 carries per game. It's not even a ton of carries, but he's been so efficient.

Obviously, the Eagles are a great spot for a running back just in terms of efficiency. He should run well. So I see sky-high potential for DeAndre Swift if Rashad Penny gets hurt. I don't love to play the if this guy gets hurt card, but that's like the easiest one to play. So that would be the counter to that, Dave.

But DeAndre Swift is almost like Ken Walker, right? Ken Walker was, if I had to guess, eighth round pick when ADP was all said and done last year because he was going to clearly be behind Rashad Penny. Well, we shouldn't have cared about that. And he ended up being a great pick. So that's my case for Swift. Do you see Gainwell playing too big of a role for that to happen? Well, you prefaced it by saying that that's if Penny gets hurt.

And it's probably likely that Penny won't play in 2, 4, 12 games this coming season. And I still think that, yeah, Gainwell will take a sizable role. They still have Boston Scott. I know they trust him in short yardage situations. So he will absolutely have a role if Penny were to go down. I think you've just got to be understanding that this isn't the exact same situation as what Swift had when he was a rookie or when he was in his second year in the NFL. And I think the Eagles have no reason to wedge him into a big role and risk not having him for a bunch of games.

So they're going to take it easy with him. I don't think he's going to get Miles Sanders' role. I don't think he's going to take all of Kenny Gainwell's role. And just for everybody to think about, measure him against the Khalil Herberts, the James Connors. You can measure him against Jameer Gibbs in Detroit. Measure him against the Denveril Herberts, the James Connors. You can measure them against Jameer Gibbs in Detroit. Measure them against the Denver running backs. Are you sure you're taking Swift ahead of all of those guys? They all have their warts.

There's no question. But I don't know if Swift is necessarily even the one with the most upside of that group. The Eagles, they went from 17th in running back targets in 2021 to 32nd. Last year, they threw the fewest passes to running backs. AJ Brown was there. Devante Smith developed,

um, Jalen hurts developed. So that's not great. Doesn't mean it's going to stay 32nd. Uh, Chris, let me get your, your take on swift to the Eagles,

and then we're going to take a break. And then I want to get your take on Jameer Gibbs and what kind of role you think he could have with the Detroit Lions. But what's your take on Swift to the Eagles? Yeah. So my thought, it kind of ties into the signing of Rashad Penny and the fact that, I mean, we'll never know if the Eagles would have picked B. John Robinson because he went right in front of them in the first round. makes me think that uh the coaching staff there with nick sirianni and i think just howie roseman philosophically understand that you don't need to pay these running backs big money or uh draft them really early because they are going to be in such a big committee there i think dave's point about

boston scott and kenny gainwell um They've had these lesser known undrafted day three running backs that they still get quality production out of. So I don't know if there's anyone that is a major, even behind that offensive line and how much they're going to run the football is like a major need to pick him early in the draft. I think they're going to really spread the wealth around with these running backs. And obviously Swift and Penny have their pretty massive injury concerns as well. Yeah. They just,

they were not really a committee last year. I mean, Miles Sanders had 259 carries and Gainwell had 53. Gainwell had three more catches than Sanders, but Sanders dominated the running back carries. The big problem is that two straight years, Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts. Yeah. He, he gets so many of the touchdowns and the carries inside the five back carries. The big problem is that two straight years, Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts, yeah.

He gets so many of the touchdowns and the carries inside the five-yard line. I think he had 20 carries inside the five-yard line, second in the NFL or something like that in 2022. So he doesn't help them. But they've scored 15 and 18 running back touchdowns the last two years. Yeah, look, I guess it's like there is a nice pie of production. It's just might be cut

into too many pieces. But we'll see. All right, we'll take a break. I want to know what you think about Jameer Gibbs. And when we come back, we'll talk about that. You guys, Dave,

you weren't on the show yesterday. I'd love to know what you think about the Seahawks running backs and what Pete Carroll's been saying. Oh, my gosh. You don't want to know. I'm pretty sure I'm going to be in lockstep with everybody else, including you. Yeah, very angry. We'll be right back on Fantasy Football today. Whether in the game or in life, the right coverage can make all the difference.

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and what you expect in year one between him and David Montgomery. So everyone had the Alvin Kamara comp for him pre-draft. I actually thought he was a lot like Austin Eckler, not obviously as chiseled as Austin Eckler, but in terms of instant suddenness from the moment he touches the ball and then he can click it into that top gear down the field was the most explosive runner maybe outside of Devon A chain in this

entire class catches it really well obviously behind that offensive line I think in Detroit he's going to be instant impact type player. They drafted him super early. I'm a big time, don't draft running backs in the first round, just in general, like in real life. But of course, picking him there, they're getting someone that I think they want to feature right away. We did see the offense in Detroit, you know, take that next step in terms of the passing game this past season. But what they did to pick Jameer Gibbs as early as they did, and we saw the video of them celebrating Brad Holmes, Dan Campbell. I think they really want to go back to what we thought they would do from the outset of the Dan Campbell era and just run the football down everyone's

throats. And Jameer Gibbs can be that guy. He's not just an outside the tackles player. He showed good vision and kind of a classic downhill Alabama running game this past season. Do you think he'll eventually take over the role or do you think Montgomery leads the team and carries? I think it'll be that classic scenario. And you guys could probably rattle off more of these off the top of your head than I can, where we'll hear about it in training camp. And then early in the season, it's a, Hey, this is David Montgomery's job. He's the veteran, whether it's due to injury or just inefficiency or in Montgomery's case, because he is like the polar opposite of Jameer Gibbs that he's going to do

really well laterally and make the most out of those not so well blocked plays, turn a four yard gain gain into a six-yard gain, when Gibbs can hit those home runs, by late October, early November, when you're getting close to the fantasy playoffs, that's when Jameer Gibbs, you will start to see that shift where he gets more than 50% of the carries. All right, Dave.

Zach Charbonnet to the Seahawks. Well, you know what, Chris? Yeah, who did you think was a better prospect, Ken Walker or Zach Charbonnet? Because people will say similar draft capital, both round two picks. Who did you have graded higher? Kenneth Walker because of the speed. He ran in the high four threes last year. I didn't quite see four three speed at Michigan State, but he was more explosive, I thought, than Zach Charbonnet. Beyond that, though, they're pretty similar players. They're big. They're physical. I think Walker has slightly better feet, but there were some

pretty impressive runs for Charbonnet on film. I said it earlier, the Ramondre Stevenson comp for Roshan Johnson, which you guys corrected me, Dante Foreman's actually better. I think with Charbonnet, that's more of a remandre Stevens in this big boulder of a back that has lighter feet than expected. But yes, in terms of fantasy, and Dave can talk about this at length more so than I can, it's just a weird fit after picking someone that finished runner up in the offensive rookie of the year last season go ahead dave so after we did this video as soon as it happened where uh we're all commiserating it's got like 50 comments like everybody's you know ready to you know break out the torches and pitchforks in front of pete carroll's house and i was driving

home after day two from the office i thought to myself know, maybe we overreacted a little bit. Like, they didn't have anything at running back on their depth chart. And Charbonnet's good, but he doesn't have breakaway speed, and Walker's been there for a year, and he's more experienced. And, yeah, he was definitely, you know, boom or bust as a rusher. One run would get negative yards, the next carry would be 50 yards. But maybe we just overreacted a little bit and Charbonnet will just, you know,

he'll kind of be there, but Walker will still be the main guy. And then it's midnight on Friday night. And I, I'm looking everywhere for the press conference of Pete Carroll and John Schneider. And sure enough, I find it. And Pete Carroll is always Mr. Roses and Rainbows

whenever he talks about any of his players. And someone asked him, well, what do you think about Charbonnet fitting into the offense? And is he more of like a passing downs threat? And he says, yes, absolutely. But so is Kenny. And we're going to rotate them there too. And he's looking to use multiple backs and it's,

and then I went, you know what? We didn't overreact at all. Just throw a knife right through my heart. Cause Walker was my favorite running back prospect last year. I love the talent and I don't think Charbonnet is as good, but I think he belongs in the NFL. And then here's the last thing. And this is really, this is where the second knife comes in.

Maybe this one goes in the back and they just put me on a spit and they rotate me around. Adam, Pete Carroll is known for starting whoever the best player is. Once you're in his building, he DGAF about when you were drafted. So he's not going to look at Kenneth Walker and say, well, we drafted you higher in round two. If he's getting outplayed by Charbonnet or the other running back they drafted, McIntosh, he will go with the other running back. So I don't think we overreacted at all. I think Kenneth Walker's stock has sunk,

and now I don't even know if I really want to take him in round three. No, I think we sort of settled on it. I still made a case for him as a round three guy because I rattled off—I'm not going to do it again, but I rattled off names of running backs who were taken in round two in recent years who did basically nothing as rookies, like Derrick Henry, and I always mention Nick Chubb and Miles Sanders. Nick Chubb didn't do anything until they traded Carlos Hyde. Miles Sanders was like eight carries a game, something like that. Very complimentary until Jordan Howard got hurt.

So I do see there are more examples. I do see maybe Charbonnet doesn't do that much this year. But I also see that maybe they don't like Ken Walker as much as I thought they did, maybe as much as everyone else likes him. I don't know that's possible. But the one thing, Dave, I don't think that you can... I just don't think that you should listen to Pete Carroll's press conference, what he said and react at all

and say, this is why. Because he wants to use two running backs. I remember last year in training camp, he was saying one of the questions about Ken Walker was can Ken Walker catch the ball? Pete Carroll, last year during training camp or preseason saying, one of the questions about Ken Walker was, can Ken Walker catch the ball? And Pete Carroll, last year during training camp or preseason, whenever it was, was saying, yes, he can. Well, no, I mean, that was not really a part of his game.

So he's full of crap. He DGAF about press conferences. I like Pete Carroll. I'm not trying to insult him, but he just says glowing things about everybody on his team, and that, to me, should not be a reason to adjust your rankings, really. You just can't believe a word this man says. I'm sorry.

So here's what I think happened is we knew, or you looked at their depth chart before the draft. Their depth chart was Kenneth Walker at running back. That was really it. And so they obviously had a high enough grade on Charbonnet. It was their fourth pick in this draft when they took him in round two. And they probably just said, okay, he's our highest rated player. We need running backs. Let's take him. And we can go ahead and ignore what he said in the press conferences. And I have one of the best firsthand stories about Pete Carroll in press conferences.

I'll save it for another time. But to me, it really does come down to who's going to end up playing better in training camp. If Charbonnet goes up to the Pacific Northwest and he rocks it and Walker doesn't, it's going to be Charbonnet. I don't hate the idea of drafting both if you end up settling for Walker on draft day. Okay. Can I jump in here for a second on that? What I think to that last point is the perfect segue. We know that, I mean, of course, Geno Smith was great last season

winning the comeback player of the year, but Pete Carroll wants to be that run the football team. They don't want Geno Smith throwing it 40 times a game. I mostly agree with you guys that obviously the presence of Charbonnet hurts Kenneth Walker's stock, of course, but they did draft Anthony Bradford, a big pro-ready guard out of LSU, battle-tested in the SEC, and Olu Oluwatimi from Michigan, who is probably the best run blocking center in the class. I love those two selections on the third day of the draft.

It wouldn't be shocking if like they do kind of get this two headed monster going because for as good as those two rookie tackles were last season, the interior of that Seahawks offensive line was not very good. And that's why we saw a lot of those negative two, negative three, 80 yard run from Ted Walker. Seahawks offensive line was not very good. And that's why we saw a lot of those negative two, negative three, 80 yard run from Ted Walker. There could be, there is a world where both of these young running backs could actually be fantasy viable.

Of course, splitting time is not going to help them, you know, become stars. But I think that pick Charbonnet along with the two offensive linemen that are pretty high floor players makes me think that the Seahawks are actually like trying to go old school with Pete Carroll and run the football a ton linemen that are pretty high floor players makes me think that the Seahawks are actually like trying to go old school with Pete Carroll and run the football a ton with two young, pretty spry backs. Makes you feel great about Jackson Smith and in Jigba in round one. For sure. Yeah. Well, it doesn't make me feel great about Lockett Metcalf and Jigba in,

in fantasy for this year. If they're going to be a bruising team that throws the ball that that goes back to the old Pete Carroll ways, you're going to need some great quarterback play, I think, for great wide receiver production. And I was looking at every year of the Pete Carroll era, did he ever really split? There were some examples later in the Chris Carson era. 2018, Chris Carson had 247 carries in 14 games. That's pretty good. Mike Davis had 112 carries in 15 games. And Rashad Penny actually had 85 carries as a rookie that year. He was a first-round pick.

He didn't really factor in. Keep that in mind. He got hurt. I don't remember how many games he played. He didn't buy... Yes, but he didn't... How many games did he play that year? I don't remember.

But he had 85 carries, so he played a decent amount many games did he play that year? I don't remember. He had 85 carries, so he played a decent amount of games. 2019, Chris Carson, 278 carries. 2020, I want to look at. Chris Carson, 141 carries. I looked at eight games where Carson and Hyde were splitting. Maybe this is a good guide.

Eight games where Hyde and Carson both played and didn't leave with injury. Carson had 101 carries. Hyde had 52. Could be something like that, you know? Could be a 2-1 ratio. Walker didn't play a lot of third downs last year. I bet the majority of his third downs last year were third and short.

Right. And probably didn't ask him to pass block. Chris, you got an idea of how well Sharpe passed blocker? I don't have that off the top of my head, but I know that at his size, I mean, he at least projects to be a pretty good pass blocker. And I do think, although we did see a little bit, I believe from Ken Walker as a receiver last season, Sharpener does have pretty good hands. He wasn't like a Jameer Gibbs type or Evan Hall from Northwestern type, but there could be a little bit of wiggle room for him to get on the field because I think he at least starts his NFL career

as a more projectable pass catcher out of the backfield. Schneier would know about the blocking. We'll get an answer. So let's go through a few news items here. The Eagles getting DeAndre Swift, but also another trade to maybe talk about. But according to Ian Rappaport, Trey Lance could potentially be the number three quarterback on the 49ers if he isn't traded.

Got to talk more about that at some point. But Dave, I mean, in Dynasty, is this the time to trade for Trey Lance or forget about Trey Lance? If you can trade for him, sure. You shouldn't have to give up very much for him. Is a second round pick too much? I think if you're really loaded in your dynasty league

and you want to take a shot on a quarterback with some upside, I think a second round pick works. And the reason why I'm still optimistic that Lance will get an opportunity someday is because he's only played in eight games. He's just had a really rough start to his career. And so whether it's in San Francisco or somewhere else, he'll get another chance.

And you just have to hope that he comes through when he gets that chance. We don't know. We don't know how Brock Purdy is going to heal. And that's really the whole thing. Like the Niners already talked about it. That when Brock Purdy is healthy, he'll have a leg up on being the starter. He's the one that led them into the playoffs last year.

If he's healthy, obviously Lance won't play. If he's not healthy, Lance is going to compete with Sam Darnold. Four career starts for Trey Lance and he also played with an injury as a rookie. Thumb, I think it was. He had a broken thumb, I think.

Basically his entire rookie season and he was throwing in a completely different way than what he normally does. thumb, I think it was. He had a broken thumb, I think. It might have been that. He was throwing in a completely different way than what he normally does. One of those starts was that torrential downpour to start the season. That was week one of 2022. The Colts owner, Jim Ursae, said that you learn from playing

when he was talking about Anthony Richardson. Perhaps that gives you an idea of what they are going to do with Anthony Richardson this year. And the Broncos acquired Adam Troutman and a seventh round pick from the Saints for a sixth round pick. Troutman is a former Saints tight end, so

he's reunited with Sean Payton. Any, Dave, any winners or losers that you want to talk about from day three, we should probably run off the names of running backs that didn't get much competition added to their teams. Let's start with Rashad white in Tampa. Looks like he's got a clear path to being the lead running downs guy for them.

If not a three down guy, Tony Pollard and Dallas, they added deuce Vaughn, and I am a Deuce Vaughn fan, but I don't know how much he'll really cut into Pollard's workload. Eckler, and to another extent, Joshua Kelly, because I don't think the Chargers. Did the Chargers draft a TCU running back? I know they drafted two TCU wide receivers, and Hacksaw Max Duggan as well. So I don't know if they've got another TCU running receivers and a hacksaw max Duggan as well. So I don't, I don't know if they've got another TCU running back there,

but I think Eckler survived. Joe Mixon basically survived. He's still the top running back in Cincinnati as we sit here right now. Who am I missing? Who else is out there? Mixon is so interesting. I mean, they did draft a running back in round five.

Chase Brown. Chase Brown. Yeah. What do you think about him they did draft a running back in round five. Chase Brown. Chase Brown. Yeah, what do you think about him? He's 5'11", 205. What kind of player is Chase Brown for the Bengals? He's pretty explosive, but not crazy elusive. So, like, not Jameer Gibbs, but that type of player where if he does get a seam or a crease, he can hit some big plays. Tested well.

I didn't really see the athleticism translate over to the field, but kind of a different player than really what they have in that backfield, even with Joe Mixon. So I think Dave's right that it's not a real threat to Joe Mixon there to pick a fifth-round running back. How do you compare Brian Robinson going into his second year for the Commanders to Chris Rodriguez, who's 5'11", 224? That's a big dude right there. He was a sixth round pick. eventually. Chris Rodriguez is actually more of like a bulldozing running back than Brian Robinson. I don't know if in today's NFL that's good or bad, but there could be a path where in goal line situations, they think that he's more of a hammer because at Kentucky,

he stayed that extra season. I thought he should have come out last year. He looked even bigger, almost looked like a fullback, but kept most of his athleticism. So I think Robinson is a more talented runner, the vision, the cutting skill, but talk about like old school battering ram type players that will blow up linebackers in the hole. That's Chris Rodriguez. So similar styles and it should still be, uh, Robinson's gig, but there is a little space for Rodriguez to steal some of those goal line carries. Dave, would you rather have Tony Pollard

or Bijan Robinson this year? I think I'm going to end up being a Bijan fan. Oh. But seriously, Pollard, I mean, this is amazing. And maybe they bring back Zika. It's really good. It's really close. Yeah.

Okay. Do you think, as of right now, if Mixon stays on the team, second round pick? Weigh him against Kenneth Walker at this point. I know. Who would you rather have? I think I'd rather have Mixon. But put it in pencil, please.

Mixon played pretty poorly last year. Except that one game. Yeah, I know. He still was a top 10 running back. Because of that one game. Per game, he was number... Well, also because he had 60 catches in 14 games. I think that absolutely changes this year.

I think Burrows' ADOT goes up or air yards per pass attempt go up. I think he barely... Mixon didn't even play on third down. So unless he's a third down back, I don't think he's catching 60 passes in 14 games. But sixth per game in PPR, Joe Mixon. It's hard to overlook.

I know he's not necessarily a great running back, but he's going to get all that work. Okay. Let me take a break here and we'll come back. We'll wrap it up. We'll talk about some of the other prospects here. Get some thoughts from Chris Trapasso after this on fantasy football today. Thanks for everyone for,

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Hit like. And great. We love the audience. Thanks for all the submissions to the draft contest. It's just a lot of fun to do this stuff, and you're a big part of it, so thank you for that. Okay. Let's talk about the quarterbacks.

I haven't really talked about any of them. What did you think about the quarterback class in general? And first four picks are Bryce Young, one, CJ Stroud, two, Will Anderson, three, Anthony Richardson, four, and then nothing until Will Levis at 33 overall. But three quarterbacks in the first four picks, and then Levis in round two, Hendon Hooker in round three. Chris, give me your summary of the quarterbacks. I thought it was a good class and maybe verging on a great class, but not amazing. I loved Anthony Richardson. He was my number one quarterback, finished just ahead of C.J. Stroud. I was one of the few people out there that wasn't like totally enthralled with Bryce Young in that the poise, the accuracy, all that is certainly there, the creativity. I don't know that he's going to be able to do a lot of those ad-libbing plays against NFL defensive ends and linebackers

who are faster, a lot faster than even in the SEC. And the arm strength is a little concerning to me. The situation in Carolina is good. I just love Anthony Richardson's situation with Indianapolis, with Shane Steich, and we've heard about it a million times with the Jalen Hurts connection, Justin Herbert as well. The one that was kind of weird to me is the Hendon Hooker in Detroit because by the time he plays, he's going to be in his late 20s most likely, even if it is just

next season. So I was surprised that there isn't many quarterbacks, but I think 13 or 14 ultimately went off the board. I think everyone's trying to find that Brock Purdy. The only problem with that is with Brock Purdy's success last season, you need Trent Williams, Devo Samuel, George Kittle, Kyle Shanahan calling the play. So a lot of surprising quarterbacks ultimately went off the board on the third day of the draft.

I have a thing for Max Duggan. When this guy plays, I want to run through a wall for TCU quarterback Max Duggan, who was the last one drafted by the Chargers. I don't think he's going to be as good as Justin Herbert. But, no, just kidding. I just want to say,

I like that. Could he be a backup? Yes. The answer is yes. I don't know if he can be, but I, I just love the way he played. He was one of them.

He just put everything on the line. Um, so that was cool. Okay. Let's go to the running back class to running backs in the top 12, which is shocking, but we've spent so much time on Robinson Gibbs and Charbonnet. Do you see any other running backs or situations that you like Kendry Miller to the saints,

Tajay Spears to the Titans, Devon, a chain people were circling that one to the dolphins, tank Bixby to the Jaguars. Those were the day. Those were the round three picks. Anything that you really liked, Chris? Yeahris yeah i'm gonna go with a name that dave mentioned to me before i jumped on duane mcbride seventh round pick to the minnesota vikings we obviously don't know what the future holds for delvin cook they drafted ty chandler last season there's probably another backup that's escaping me right now alexander madison yes madison for boise state um duane mcbride a a lot of people, including myself in the scouting community, thought he would probably go earlier on day three. Was the bell cow at UAB forced to miss tackle on just over 35% of his rushes last season, which is a pretty high number.

Now, he didn't get to work out during the pre-draft process, which I think maybe contributed that people weren't really sure like how good of an athlete is he. I saw someone that was built to run in a wide zone scheme, big frame, contact balance, vision. He's kind of just that advanced runner that makes the most of what's blocked in front of him and can get more than what's blocked in front of him at times. Not a home run hitter, but I could certainly envision him again by October or November being suddenly, hey, he's the guy, this shiny new toy that Kevin O'Connell really likes in an offense that has a pretty good offensive line. So Dwayne McBride is the one later round guy. I get that, but we did start to show saying that, you know, a lot of these late round running backs do have a path to immediate production in the NFL.

McBride averaged 4.7 yards per carry after contact. Yeah, dude, he's good. Second best in the country. And he does have a fumbling problem, though. Four fumbles in 2021, five fumbles in 2022. And one guy, though, that fumbled four times in his last year in college

was Tyler Algier. He did not fumble once with the Falcons on 210 carries. But McBride does have a bit of a fumbling issue. Dave, talk about A-chain. Is he going to be

A-chain or Charbonnet right now? What do you got? I might find myself leaning towards A-chain. I love find myself leaning towards a chain. I love that his, his competition is a bunch of old guys and he's, he's super fast, man.

Just go watch his clips on YouTube. You'll see. And in a one cut offense that the dolphins use for their run game, man, he can, he can turn like Chris talked about earlier, those four yardyard runs, they might be four-yard runs for Jeff Wilson. They might be 25-plus yards. They might be house calls

for A-chain. So if he can take on the wear and tear of playing running back, he's a little guy. But if he can handle it, man, he would be outstanding. And we know that he theoretically does have a clearer path to being a lead running back for multiple years compared to Charbonnet. So you could maybe make the case that H. Shane's the better dynasty back than Charbonnet. Both of them are risky picks. Charbonnet should have been a top three pick or maybe top five in one QB dynasty, rookie only drafts. I don't know if he goes there anymore.

I don't think there's a chance of it. So they're going to be kind of in that same range, maybe around like eight, nine in rookie only drafts because of the landing spots behind some of the wide receivers. Let's talk about the wide receivers. Chris, we had four go in the first round back to back to back to back picks.

What are your overall thoughts on the wide receivers and who contributes in 2023 who makes a big impact um of those first rounders uh probably jordan addison even though i mean i guess from a fantasy perspective we know that justin jefferson is going to get a ton of those uh targets but I think Jordan Addison's game, he called himself or said that his style was a lot like Calvin Ridley. He's kind of in a Calvin Ridley-like situation where I was lower on him as a prospect in 2018, but he landed with kind of still in his prime Julio Jones and was like a 900-yard receiver in that first season or like right around there. I could see that for Jordan Addison, where he's not going to

ever be, I don't think that pure number one, but with a lot of one-on-one coverage, I think he can be really good right away. Runs good routes, smaller, not a tremendous athlete, but knows the nuances. To jump to the day three, because I was just looking at these guys, two players, and you can maybe circle one of them, the Patriots picked. When I was doing the draft grades, I'm like, why are the Patriots not picking any weapons for Matt Jones? And of course, last season, it was one of the more boring ho-hum offenses in the league. Keishon Boutte from LSU, if you look back at the mock drafts I probably did last May, right after last year's draft, he's in the first round in all those mocks. His yards after the catch ability is tremendous. It's not A.J. Brown caliber, but it's close. And he's got that similar frame. Did not test very

well. There may be some off the field concerns, but that's more of a scouting issue. Underneath, I think he could be a real weapon for them. And then Demario Douglas from Liberty, kind of a classic old-school Patriots slot wide receiver. Very explosive, short area quicknesses through the roof. And despite him being 5'8 and 175, made a ton of arms-extended catches at Liberty. So he actually has a decent-sized catch radius for Mac Jones and will really create yards after the catch. So those two kind of stood out to me later after I was waiting for the Patriots to pick receivers.

I like that those guys are players who excel underneath because that's really where the Patriots pass game lives. Is Zay Flowers going to be the best wide receiver, not tight end or receiver, but just wide receiver on the Ravens this year with Odell Beckham, with Rashad Bateman, with maybe Antonio Brown. I don't know what that was all about.

Dave, is Zay Flowers going to be the best wide receiver on the Ravens? I think he can be. So I'll say yes. And I know that it's tough to say Odell has been away for a year from the ACL. He should be good to go. We know what he's capable of. Bateman's been an underachiever since he came into the league. I love the way that Zay Flowers plays. He's got great speed. He catches whatever he can. He doesn't have a huge catch rate. He's not a big guy,

but he zips everything right into his hands and we talked about it leading up to the draft he can beat double teams he can beat bracket coverage he can torch man coverage and i think he knows lamar i think they're from the same area in florida don't quote me on that um i think my son told me that so there might be some sort of a connection already there bottom line is that i just i really like some sort of a connection already there. Bottom line is that I really like the talent of Zay Flowers, and he shined last year at Boston College, even though he had terrible quarterback play. And it seems to me, just read the tea leaves with me, Odell signed for $15 million. I just spit when I said that. $15 million by the Ravens, and now first-round draft capital

on Zay Flowers. They want to make their passing game good. And I think that Zay Flowers will help them do that. Okay. And Chris, let's talk about the tight ends. And really fun. I mean, fun group of tight ends. We got one in round one, then we got a flurry in round two.

Who's your favorite? And what do you think about 2023? Okay. So Darnell Washington graded out as my top tight end, but to land in Pittsburgh with Pat Fryer with fantasy perspective, not great. Will probably first start as that blocking type, and then they'll kind of slowly acclimate him to the pass game, which I do think he has a lot of long-term upside as a receiver because he will just run through anyone, jump over anyone

with the ball in his hands. We were talking about Darnell Washington playing tackle though. I think that's a possibility that they're going to move him to the offensive line. I think he's a better receiver than that. I mean, this was like the number two athlete in the country, 2020 coming out of high school, ran 4-6-4. And he is gigantic. I mean, he's almost 6'8", 265. So he's one of the biggest tight ends we've seen in a while. I think, though, eventually, and I was kind of on an island with this, think that he can be a good pass catcher.

But he's different. He's not Travis Kelsey. He's not going to create separation. I think he can do it a different way after the catch, which leads me to the segue of Sam Laporta, the early second-round pick by the Lions. There was kind of some thought that, hey, maybe this Ben Johnson offense doesn't really need or want to utilize a tight end, and they pick a tight end that's early.

Laporta is kind of like George Kittle-Light, and that's not just the Iowa connection. Yards after the catch, tested through the roof. He's really good in that area. So they do have some weapons in that offense. I certainly thought they could have used more and they did that with Sam Laporta. I thought that was great value. And yes, Aminra Saint-Pierre is going to get a lot of targets, but Sam Laporta, I think was kind of held back in terms of the volume at Iowa because the quarterback play was so bad and they wanted to run the football like 50 times a game. That was probably my favorite tight end pick relatively early in the draft.

Not a Kincaid guy? So I was lower on him. I think he just finishes my tight end four. Separation, explosion, it's going to be there. After the catch, I'm a little concerned that why wasn't he better after the catch? In 2022, he was good. But earlier in his Utah career, I didn't really see that from him. Older prospect as well. And I do still think that Josh Allen wants to spread the football around. And last season, Dorsey did not do the greatest job even featuring Dawson Knox after they gave him that big contract extension. They've talked for two years now in Buffalo that they want to run more 12 personnel,

have two tight ends on the field a lot, and it just hasn't materialized. So until I see it with Kincaid and with this offensive philosophy, I'll believe it then. So it's more that Laporta, I think, jumps into a situation where he can be a focal point and be on the field a lot more frequently than Dalton Kincaid will as a rookie. I'm just going to warn you. You better on this show, when it's me and Dave, you better be very careful what you say about Ken Dorsey. Quite possibly my favorite football player of all time.

So just, you know, we had a couple of hurricanes here. And, you know, we had a couple of hurricanes here. And, you know, just watch it. Bill's offensive winner. Yeah, because Adam might slam his fist down on a laptop and then throw everything off the counter. And then someone comes and grabs the camera and moves it so you can't see what he just did. Oh, man, like one of my first nights out,

I went to, I think I went to Hooters. Remember there was a Hooters right across the street from campus Dave I don't know if you there was never a Hooters across the street from campus maybe it was in the Grove it was in the Grove yeah it was in the Grove

I met Michael Jordan there Ken Dorsey was sitting there and it was like starstruck and that was the only time I ever saw Ken Dorsey when I was in college but that's my

Ken Dorsey story alright everybody thank you Chris Trapasso thanks man it was great stuff. Yeah, thanks for having me, guys. Really appreciate it. Awesome. Dave, thanks, guy.

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