Fantasy Football Today - NFL Draft Day Three Recap! Do We Have Some Starting RBs Here? (04/27 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 27, 2025

Chris Trapasso joins us as we give our thoughts on Day Three! Who are our favorite picks? We loved Bhayshul Tuten to the Jaguars. Does Jaydon Blue have a chance to be the Cowboys starting running back? And who were some winners (8:50) and losers (13:40)? Is Quinshon Judkins a loser after the Browns drafted Dylan Sampson? ... We look at the Noah's Arc teams (23:45) who drafted two players at the same position. The Browns drafted Dillon Gabriel and Shedeur Sanders! Who do we prefer in dynasty? ... Going through each position (38:10) with our thoughts on players like Cam Skattebo, Trevor Etienne, Gunnar Helm, Devin Neal, Jimmy Horn Jr. and many more. Who could surprise us in 2025? ... Your emails at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: ⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304⁠⁠ Follow FFT Express on Spotify: ⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: ⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2⁠⁠ Follow our FFT team on Twitter:⁠⁠ @FFToday⁠⁠,⁠⁠ @AdamAizer⁠⁠,⁠⁠ @JameyEisenberg⁠⁠,⁠⁠ @daverichard⁠⁠,⁠⁠ @heathcummingssr⁠⁠ Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: ⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday⁠⁠ Join our Facebook group⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/⁠⁠ Sign up for the FFT newsletter⁠⁠ https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter⁠⁠ You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the ⁠⁠betting arena on CBSSports.com⁠⁠ for all the latest ⁠⁠sportsbook reviews⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠sportsbook To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Off to the races and he stays on his feet. This is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. Welcome to the show, NFL Draft. We spent so much time getting ready for the NFL draft and now it is in the books and we will look back at day three. I'm Adam Azer here with Dave Richard. Chris Tripaso is going to join us soon.

He's finishing up some written content. He has to write grades for every team. He has to write grades for every pick and go to our draft tracker and look at his write ups and his grades for each pick. Okay. You want to see a fantasy guy, a guy that your favorite team drafted. He'll give you two to three sentences on the player and tell you if he liked it or not. So we'll talk to Chris in a moment here.

Anyway, hope everybody enjoyed the show. Hope everybody's having a good weekend. I'm sorry, the draft then you will soon enjoy this show and having a good weekend. Dave Richard, what was your favorite day three pick? It came early on day three. The Jaguars took Basial Tutin. This is a very fast, not too tiny running back who could certainly displace Tank Bigsby as the one B back. And if Travis Etienne can't get going, he could be the one A back in Jacksonville. And I think it's important to preface that day three picks typically do not become huge fantasy stars. We actually spent some time before we came on air looking at players that had a big rookie year that were taken on day three.

It's really slim. There aren't a lot of players that do it. But as Schaefer pointed out, these are guys that can maybe be helpful for a few games during the season. And maybe there's a pathway for them to be impactful fantasy players moving forward. But I don't want to get too excited about anybody that got taken on Saturday. Tootin is one of those guys that I'm going to be pretty excited about. I thought he should have been taken on day two and I liked the landing spot in Jacksonville. Okay. So yeah, let's talk about that.

And let's just give you some numbers. I only count five running backs over the last 15 years that had a really good rookie season to the point where they were worth drafting, okay? So that's Alfred, in retrospect, that they were worth drafting and holding for the full season. Some guys had a stretch,

but Alfred Morris, Jordan Howard, Bucky Irving, James Robinson, Philip Lindsay, they were the real standouts at running back. That's five guys in the last 15 years drafted on day three or undrafted free agents that were fantasy standouts. They had Tyler Algier, Elijah Mitchell, Damian Pierce, Tyrone Tracy, they were close. You could get that kind of player.

So there's those guys. At wide receiver, it was basically two guys. It was Pukinakua and Mike Williams, who had nine touchdowns. Pukinakua is the only thousand yard receiver in the last 15 years as a rookie drafted on day three. The only day three rookie with thousand yard receiver in the last 15 years. So, okay. And which Mike Williams was it?

Which Mike? It was where am I here? It was Mike Williams. Mike Williams. Tampa Bay. Yeah. Yeah. Syracuse Mike Williams of Tampa Bay. Right. So of all the players that you mentioned, how many of them were great for fantasy for four or more years? And obviously we can't count Puka, but I think we can assume that Puka will make that cut. But a lot of those guys that you name, man, by year two, year three, it was on the downhill. All of them. We don't know about Bucky Irving, but all of them. Jordan Howard, I think gave us a couple of good years. Chris, how you doing?

I'm doing good. Roland Fumes. about Bucky Irving, but all of them. Jordan Howard, I think gave us a couple of good years. Chris, how you doing? You- I'm doing good. Run, run, fumes, run, run, fumes. Yeah, good job, man. Your grades were great. Your write-ups were great. Really helped me get through the draft. All right, so with that being said,

he says Basial Tutin, who was the second pick. He could have easily been a day two pick. Second pick of round four and in a very good running back class. The next guy was Kam Skattaboo. So he goes to the Giants. Basial Tutin to the Jaguars, Kam Skattaboo to the Giants. The first pick of round four was one of two receivers

that the Titans picked in the round. Chimery DK, later they took Ellic Io Manor. You get it Chris? I love how you do that every time. Okay, okay. It's commitment to the bit. Yeah. All right, so Dave's favorite day three pick,

a thrick, was Basial Tooten. Chris, who's your favorite day three pick? Well, Dave stole it from me because I came on this show, I think like a month ago, and was heaping a lot of praise on Tooten. I thought he could have been, like you said, a day two pick, and he almost was. He ran 4.32, we don't see that kind of speed at running back very frequently

over a 40 inch vertical. I thought he was really elusive at Virginia tech too. Uh, I liked it. He started at North Carolina A and T transfers into the ACC and was still really productive. So kind of reminiscent of the little glimmer that we saw from tank Bigsby that he was an explosive back when healthy last season. But I think Tooten is more of a well-rounded running back.

Give me a second here to look at the draft tracker that I and Josh Edwards were running so I can find another one. Cause Dave Stoll, who I was gonna talk about. Actually. Oh, go ahead. Yeah. Actually I have him right here.

And I think when I just came on, you guys were talking about like that running back, you can tend to find better day three or even six and seventh round options that can become fantasy relevant. Jacory Kroski Merritt, uh, who went in the seventh round to the Washington commanders out of Arizona, we didn't see him keep an eye on him. We didn't see him play much last season. There was like eligibility problems with him where I think like only after a few

games, he just didn't play anymore at Arizona. He's big. He is very elusive. He has sharp cutting ability, the contact balances there. And then he tested really well at the Arizona pro day had an over a 40 inch vertical, I believe you ran somewhere in the four four. So he's someone that I think could be in that Elijah Mitchell, Tyrone Tracy, you know, day three selection that if the chips be in that Elijah Mitchell, Tyrone Tracy, you know, day three

selection that if the chips fall in terms of opportunity, Jacory Krosky Merritt in Washington, they certainly have guys in front of him, but I think he could actually become a quality player that was picked late at the running back spot. Twenty-five running backs picked. He was the very last one. But remember, some guys are undrafted free agents do really well, not necessarily as rookies. I think I mean, I think the one that really jumps out for intrigue purposes is Jaden blue, going to the Dallas Cowboys in round

five. And look, round five running backs is just day three running backs just usually doesn't happen. But man, can he beat out Jevonte Williams probably not on third down. But can he beat out Jevonte Williams on first or second down? Is this a team that signs J.K. Dobbins or Nick Chubb? Jamie keeps talking about that. But Jaden Blue, Dave, huge opportunity here.

Remember this was a top five running back in Emery Hunt's rankings. He really likes Jaden Blue. He's a guy who's had one game in his career with more than 15 carries. And that's something that Chris pointed out in his write up, not a bell cow. But Dave, what do you think about this, this opportunity here for Jayden blue? So here's how he fits like tootin. He's very, very fast. I believe he's got pretty good hands. I think he can make plays in passing game. And so that's probably going to be where he lives for the Cowboys is someone who can catch maybe three, four balls a game and maybe get three or four carries per game. If he earns more, great, I'd love to see it. But I know that there's some flaws

with him, the biggest of which being his build, he's not a very big guy. So it does look like Dallas is going to go or going to stick with a complimentary backfield and blue should be a part of it just based on his speed alone. All right. How about some veteran winners? When you look at this, I don't know that there's much we can say from day three, but one guy Dave that did stick out to me was Deandre Swift because the Bears just did not. Did they draft any running backs?

So in the six, they drafted the Rutgers running back. They did. I think her seventh Kyle Menon guy. Yes. Thank you. Or seventh round. I'm sorry. 233. So yes, I would, I mean, you can go ahead at them, but I think, yeah, that is a big winner in terms of just

fantasy relevance for Deandre Swift. Yeah. He was big time at Rutgers, wasn't he? He was. He's like, he's one of those like chiseled backs that doesn't have a lot of explosiveness, but just like a contact balance guy. That's really powerful. And was of those like chiseled backs that doesn't have a lot of explosiveness, but just like a Contact balance guy that's really powerful and was like you're saying really productive over multiple seasons for the Rutgers

And i've been talking about uh, chris doing all these write-ups I did definitely got a shout out josh edwards who also did a lot of these grades and write-ups on the website So yeah, he did a great job. They're really uh, they're really outstanding. He did the the write-up on um On this particular running back whose name I've already forgotten For Chicago Kyle Monon guy. That's right Yeah, so he stands out to me. I don't know if there's anyone else. I mean, oh chase Brown Chase Brown like they didn't really like the Bengals did draft Taj Brooks I was broke and I've heard good things about Taj Brooks. You know, like this was a guy that Matt Wallman

said he was higher on the consensus, but a six round pick on Taj Brooks. Is that really enough to scare me off of Chase Brown? Because based on the production we got from Chase Brown last year after Zach Moss's injury, that was first round caliber play. He goes in the third round in our drafts. Chris, what do you think Taj Brooks brings to the Bengals backfield? Well, I actually tweeted it right away that we've, I've said the phrase running back Renaissance like 50 times this pre-draft process, but how I would do it is how the Bengals have done it. I know that seems like kind of like really you wouldn't want to have Saquon Barkley or Derek Henry. Like I'm not saying that I'm saying I think you can still get quality efficiency at running back in the sixth round, chase Brown was a sixth round

pick and everyone was kind of waiting. Like, Hey, he should probably be given more of the, the workload. Like you mentioned, Zach Moss goes down and he was awesome. Now Taj Brooks is not going to hit long runs like chase Brown did. He's not that kind of back, but similar to my other pick, Jacori Krosky Merritt, he's big. He's kind of like Devin Neal from Kansas who went later in that he is going to bounce off a lot of tacklers and he's pretty elusive. He's not someone that is just looking for

contact, only a downhill type players. I think he's actually a good compliment to Chase Brown. So I still think Chase Brown will hit the majority of the big plays and certainly we'll start the season and probably play most of the season as the true, uh, number one back there. But I think Taj Brooks can actually push him a little bit in time. Back to back 1500 yard rushing seasons, back to back seasons with at least 10 touchdowns,

at least seven rushing touchdowns in four straight seasons. He played five years of college football. Uh, could he, what, do you know how he is in past protection, Chris? He's pretty good in past protection. I, I, I wouldn't say that he is a standout player where, where that's going to garner him, uh, playing time instantly. But at that size, I can't say off the top of my head, if I remember that if there were some misses, but I do remember that there were times where he played to that kind of

stockier frame and got up and under linebacker. So that could help him get on the field relatively early. But like you mentioned, he has some like legitimate running skill to get more than what's blocked for him. Tosh Brooks, by the way, so he gets drafted by the Bengals in the sixth round. They still have Zach Moss. So which one? Yeah, they do. But chase Brown was the number three running back per game in PPR after the Moss injury weeks, nine through 17. I want to take a quick break here and see if we can come up with some veteran losers. I actually have a rookie loser question anyway, for a rookie running back. After this on Fantasy Football Today.

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back prospect rankings in the fourth round. And of course they have Jerome Ford. Dave, your thoughts on the Browns running backs. Yeah, it definitely takes some of the shine off of Judkins having Samson there. It is a potential thunder and lightning combination between those two. Samson more of a speedster Judkins who has speed, but we've talked about this a million times. He doesn't have that breakaway gear, more of a physical running back. I'm not sure if there's like a guy between the two of them

that's outstanding in the passing game. So I'm curious to see how that shakes out. Maybe Sampson can get there, but it seems clear to me that Cleveland's got an idea that those two guys can work their backfield moving forward. Yes, how the temptation on draft day is to always say that, right, like, oh, this guy's gonna be a piece of the puzzle. The reality, I think, on draft day

is that a player picked in round four, a running back picked in round four is unlikely to have a big role. However, this is- Well, is being a 1B back a big role. I wouldn't need I don't okay, let me you know what, let me get my let's go over the round for running backs. Lately, last 10 see, let's just work backwards. Jalen, right? Bucky Irving,

Will Shipley, Ray Davis, Isaac Arendo, Braylon Allen. Okay, so I remember how Ray Davis and Braylon Allen were used last year. They had a role, they were part of their team's offenses to a degree. I feel like if he could have a role, I don't think he's going to be some dynamo for fantasy football.

No, but nothing, but if he has the same role that Braylon Allen and Ray Davis had, it wouldn't knock Quintin Quintchon Judkins down for me. That's fair. Jerome Ford. But it is somebody that's going to take Judkins off the field and they still have Jerome Ford.

Yeah, Jerome Ford is a wild card. Rochon Johnson, I think had a decent role in 2023 as a rookie. Damien Pierce. They're passing downs back in Chicago for years. I'm sorry to keep interrupting. No, no, it's okay. It's good stuff. Damien Pierce, Zem passing downs back in Chicago for years. I'm sorry to keep interrupting. No, no, it's okay. It's good stuff.

Damien Pierce, Zemir White, Isaiah Spiller, Pierre Strong, Hassan Haskins. These are running backs in 2022 in the fourth round. All right, let's see. And oh, I want to get, Chris, I want to get your take on the Bears passing game. This is one of the debates we had yesterday. Yeah.

Is Roma Dunze a loser? Is DJ Moore a loser? Cause they draft Loveland in the first round, they draft Birden in the second round. What do you think of that Bears passing game with those four weapons now? I think Roma Dunze is a little bit of a loser in this situation now because I think he's mostly, I know teams are moving their wide receivers around and their stack formations and things like that, but Roman Dunez is an outside wide receiver. Now it will be interesting to see

what Ben Johnson decides to do with him. But I think with DJ Moore to a certain degree, and certainly with Colson Loveland and Luther Burden, those are mismatched players where they are gonna be motioning. They're gonna be out wide. They're gonna be in the slot. They're gonna be used on tunnel screens, on jet sweeps.

I think the lack of legitimate personal verse or alignment versatility, I think could actually hurt Roma Dunze, which is crazy to say that because he was just, you know, a top 15 pick one year ago. By the way, just to finish up this discussion here, what do you think the chances are we go back to the Browns real quick? What do you think Chris, the chances are that Dylan Sampson is better than Quince on Judkins? Chris Bounds I was a little lower on Judkins than most

people. And I think that like what Dave pointed out that that Judkins is the bigger back. He's the more classically. He looks like a feature back and pound between the tackles. I didn't love Dylan Sampson either, but kind of what I said earlier with the different dynamic between Chase Brown and Taj Brooks, if there's a well-blocked play in Cleveland, we know that still is one of the better offensive lines in the AFC, Dylan Sampson is more apt to hit the long run. I mean, Dave said it. So it wouldn't be shocking if we see some grind out four and five yard carries, 70, 80 yard games from Quinn Chodd-Judkins. And then as the season progresses, Dylan Sampson has eight carries for 64 yards because he hits a 25 yard run. And then we start to see him eat into Quinshaw-Judkinson's carries as their, you know, collective rookie seasons progress in 2025. That wouldn't shock me.

I think we can see the role, the roles for Judkins that that just make sense at this point. 4-minute offense, why would they put Ford or Dylan Sampson in there? They can use Judkens for that. Killing the clock at the end of the game, it's kind of the same thing. Goal line, short yardage. I think that their solution there is Judkens. So it's easy. This is easy. Judkens is going to be the first Browns running back will draft. It's just a matter of whether or not it's even worth drafting another one to go along with them or to target one later in your fantasy drafts. I just wouldn't have super sky high expectations

for Judkins knowing that there's behind him who are capable and are probably gonna have a role, just not a big role working alongside him. Can I give one suggestion of a, this might be a hot take and you guys are obviously the fantasy experts. I'm not, I think a veteran who was hurt a little bit on draft night is Kyron Williams of the Rams. And it's ironic because they draft Jarquis Hunter in round four. My comparison for Jarquis Hunter was Kyron Williams, stocky, uh, very highly productive across multiple seasons.

This time in the sec, not at Notre Dame. Obviously, uh, the contact balance was through the roof. And I think he's pretty elusive. So for as much as Kyron Williams has been this tremendous touchdown producer. And as a former fifth round pick has been just so good in that Sean McVay system. We know that McVay comes from the Kyle Shanahan coaching tree and he's not necessarily gonna just run Kyren Williams into the ground until he's 30 years old.

And I think once we start to see Jarquez Hunter behind that offensive line in that time tested scheme, Jarquez Hunter could start to eat into a little bit of the what has been a strangle hold on the number one running back position for the ramps so before I get into That can you just give me a little bit more on hunter because he's one I'm not as familiar with I To look at the analytics here, which I have where's Jarquis hunter the in one

this past season at Auburn, his miss tackle force rate was 38.4%. That's close to Ashton Gentry. So he was really, really elusive. And I liked the fact that there was not, it's not a one year wonder. He played four seasons. He's not 25 years old. He didn't transfer five times. He was just at Auburn big time yards per carry average and all four of his seasons at Auburn. And there's just a lot of runs where he's almost, he's not seeking out contact, but he gets a well-blocked play, meets a linebacker, and he just kind of shrugs off him. Then there's a safety and he just effortlessly runs through him ends up being a 12 yard gain so that's the type of runner that they get kind of like kiren williams that just Repeatedly got more than what was blocked for him and had a lot of I think deceptive power because he was a little shorter

That's kind of the case with jar quest hunter who's not going to hit home runs Just like kiren williams doesn't hit home runs, but is a very similar stylistic runner And I think that's why the rams gravitated toward him And you talked about running kiren willron Williams into the ground until he's 30. They might run him into the ground until he's 26. Adam, he's in a contract year. We know that he's battled injuries throughout his career. My guess is that Hunter is an insurance policy in case things go south with Kyron Williams this year. Remember they have Blake Coram too. So I have a quorum really not that he had many opportunities to show what he could do. He did not. But I think he underwhelmed.

He was a guy that looked better in the spring than in the fall. I don't really have a strong opinion on how he looked in the fall because like as you said he really just didn't have that many opportunities. But Kyron I think people were a little concerned because they spent like Blake Corum went earlier in the NFL draft than Kyron Williams did a couple years earlier. Corum had a, Corum had a bad, a disappointing, I guess junior year or whatever it was, but he, I think what he tore his meniscus the year before.

So there was some optimism there and Kyron just never, he just never gave an inch. I'm not concerned in 2025 about Kyron Williams, but I mean, they've two years in a row, they use a mid round pick on a running back. So it goes to something, I guess. And he offended them off both times. You know, what I was talking about, how this could be the end of the line for Kyron Williams in LA, it could swing the other way. If he has another ball or season, they'll give him an extension and he'll be there until he's 30, like Chris kind of mentioned. I still have him,

by the way, as a late first round pick in BPR. All right. We have an exciting week coming up. We're going to have some mock drafts. We're going to have rookie only mock drafts. We're going to have just regular half PPR and PPR mock drafts, I assume, and we're gonna talk about them on the show. We'll have a guest on next week to give us some insider, some outsider perspective, non-CBS perspective on the class and on the rankings and all that. But Monday's show is gonna be just a rankings update from hopefully Dave, Jamie, and Heath, all of them on the show.

So we got an exciting week coming up. Also, I can, Thomas, if you have the name, I can announce the winner of the draft contest or we can do that on Monday, no big deal. But somebody got nine out of 10. So pretty impressive. All right, Dave had a very funny idea for a segment. Just hilarious.

We're not gonna laugh out loud, but it was a good segment, Dave. Noah's Ark, teams that drafted two players at the same position. I like this. So two of each running back. Quinshawn Judkins and Dylan Sampson of the Browns. And I don't know if we need to really talk about the others,

but Jaden Blue in round five and Phil Mafa in round seven to the Cowboys. And the Jaguars took Basil Tooten in round four and LeQuint Allen in round seven. So that's seventh round investments. They're usually not too big of a deal, but the Cowboys and the Jaguars doubling up on running backs. Chris, your thoughts? I didn't really like any of those at all. I mean, Judkins and Samson, I could get behind Phil Maffa is to me was not like, he was a priority for agent to me, he is not explosive whatsoever.

He is a, a boulder of a running back. He's going to run over some guys, but in terms of like even breaking away from the second level, I didn't really see it. Uh, love to, uh, Laquint Allen. I don't know if, if we talked about him when I was on like a month ago, but he ran like legitimate receiver routes at Syracuse. Like there are times where he's in the slot, running a slant, running a whip route.

So he's a good receiver. Maybe that's like the only bit of appeal with him if we're thinking PPR or his ability to earn some targets or earn some action on the field, but in terms of his explosiveness, it's not really there. And I think he's more of like an offensive weapon than a pure running back. All right, two wide receivers.

Don't think we have to talk about the Bucks, but we'll just mention them. A Mecca, a Bucca in round one, Tez Johnson in round seven. The Chargers with Trey Harris in round two and Keandre Lambert Smith in round five, the Panthers, Tet Macmillan round one, Jimmy Horn round six, the Packers, you know, Packers probably made the most significant investment with a round one and three pick Matthew Golden

round one, Savion Williams round three, the Raiders and the Texans would give them a run for their money though. The Raiders took Jack Besh in round two and Dante Thornton in round four, a six foot five wide receiver who ran a four three Oh Dante Thornton. I know someone that you like Chris for the Raiders. Yes. The Texans took Jayden Higgins in round two and Jaylen Knoll in round three. And the Titans took two wide receivers in round four. Chimerae, DK out of Florida, and Alec Iow Manor

out of Stanford. The Titans have added another wide receiver. Oh yeah? Who is it Dave? They have signed Xavier Restrepo from the University of Miami to join his quarterback cam ward in Nashville. That is smart.

Very smart. What a connection they had. It was amazing. And he's, this is somebody I've known since he was in high school. I, he went to the school that my kids went to and watched them play ball down here in Florida, uh, outstanding player, outstanding guy. That's cool. Very happy for him.

So Dave, when you look at these teams doubling up on wide receivers, what stands out to you? Well, I mean, a lot of these teams are taking wide receivers on day three. And so because of that, it just does, it's got to water down the excitement. Again, this, this wasn't a great class to begin with. And we know that day three players don't stick long term. But I think any team that like the Titans clearly not only drafted two wide receivers, they just added Restrepo. I'm sure they'll add more players. Like they need to restock their, their receiver room. I think the Chargers felt like the, something similar. I know they added Mike Williams and they've got Quinton Johnston, but after losing Josh Palmer, I think they needed to add some players. The Raiders after Jacoby Myers, they needed to do something as well.

The one that's curious to me is Tampa and just, and not Tez Johnson, because I think he's going to be a special teams guy and that's it. But just making that investment in Ibuka, I think, I think we've got it where he's the eventual replacement just on the field, not necessarily in a specific role for Mike Evans. And they're trying to just play a couple years ahead, that when Evans is gone, Ibuka can come in and he can be a big contributor. Caroline is another team. They needed, they've missed on so many wide receivers over the past few years. I mean, they drafted Leagate last year with the late first-round round pick and Thielen was their best wide receiver again. So getting McMillan and then adding Jimmy Horn, I'm not the biggest Jimmy Horn guy.

That's a team that needed to do some. These are all teams that just needed to do something at wide receiver. Bulk up their rooms a little bit. There isn't, I don't, I don't feel great about any of the day three wide receivers. You talk about Jimmy Horn, It just makes me crazy. Just thinking about Joe Horn and the cell phone celebration against the giants. I'm still mad about that. I was so insulted when he did that. Two tight ends. Elijah Royale.

It's hell. Now, looking back, Elijah Royale to the Seahawks in the second round. And then they took Robbie. Oops, oops, oops, oops, oops. Robbie is more of a fullback Chris. Yeah, he is. I mean, they used him as kind of like an H back where he would kind of be like split in the backfield

but out by a tight end. Yeah, he's not gonna catch a lot of passes. So they drafted two tight ends, neither of which are traditional tight end. So he's not gonna affect Elijah Royal. Also, I just like dropped a sick beat and nobody said anything that was annoying. Two quarterbacks.

It'll be the last time you can use that joke too. Cleveland took Dylan Gabriel around three and then finally Shador Sanders in round five. Did you have Sanders ranked higher than Gabriel? Both of you guys. Yes, one million percent. That's no disrespect to Dylan Gabriel, but it was very easy in terms of the

traits, even though Shudder Sanders traits are not that good. Dylan Gabriel, I think my arm is around the same arm strength of Dylan Gabriel. You know, the anticipation he's a lot better than me. The accuracy a lot better than I would be on the football field, but you have to meet a certain, certain threshold to play quarterback in the NFL in terms of your ability to drive the football. And Dylan Gabriel, I just didn't think had that. We talked so much about Chidura Sanders can't really elude pressure. He's kind of heavy footed.

Dylan Gabriel is not going to run away from too many six foot four, 260 pound edge rushers in the NFL. So the fact that he was picked two rounds earlier, I mean, we could do a whole show on this. We don't need to do that. But yes, I certainly had Shadrers Sanders ranked higher and I was very surprised that Gabriel was picked that far in front of Shadrers Sanders. Who's gonna be their quarterback? I mean, they've got

four guys now they've got Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett and these two rookies. And probably very strange quarterback room that's for sure yeah I think they might have drafted themselves a headache well what does this mean for for Jerry Judy and David to joku for you Dave anything I am anticipating flacco winning the job until we hear otherwise about wow should her Sanders is looking outstanding at camp, or, Hey, Kenny Pickett is really giving Flacco a run for his money, or Joe Flacco is walking back to the trainer's room for the third time this week with ice on his shoulder. And he's, he, there's questions about his durability. Like, short of that, Flacco's got the ability. The coaching staff has to love him after what he did for them a couple of seasons ago. I can't imagine Cleveland doing

anything but going into the season with Flacco at quarterback. And that's going to be great for Jerry Judy. That's another guy, another veteran who won because three, four days ago, or four days ago, we thought Travis Hunter is going to go to Cleveland. He's going to take work away from Njoku and Jerry Judy. Nope. Jacksonville moves up to get him. It keeps Jerry Judy very much alive in fantasy. And Njoku's numbers, I can look it up for you if you want me to. But with Joe Flacco, they were ridiculously good two years ago. And Njoku's numbers last year without Deshaun Watson were ridiculously good without Joe Flacco. And so now he's going to have the opportunity to still be that short area target. Judy can work further downfield. Flacco is only going to target those two guys. I don't think that he's going to go crazy looking for other wide receivers in Cleveland. And as long as

Cleveland's competitive, Flacco will be under center. Now, when Cleveland isn't competitive, that could be when we see Shador Sanders or Dylan Gabriel or Kenny Pickett, question mark, taking over just to see what they can do. And Cleveland starts to evaluate what these guys are to their team moving forward. I'm hoping that Chidurah Sanders rises to the occasion. I'd like he, I think his talent was good. I'm not going to say that it was amazing. I thought that he was the third-best quarterback in the draft. I think that he has potential to play in the NFL, and I'd like to see him get the opportunity to do it. And I think Cleveland was actually, you know, it's kind of silly to say this, because they passed on him 6 times before they took him, but I think they were smart to take him. And so they'll figure out what they're doing in their, in their quarterback room, and it probably means they're trading one of these

guys. And I doubt it's going to be Flacco unless both rookiesies are good or Pickett and one of the rookies are good and I doubt it's going to be one of the rookies because they just drafted them so I hope Kenny Pickett is renting in Cleveland and not owning. Kenny Pickett to the Steelers makes too much sense just kidding. I would say Kenny Pickett to the Saints yeah makes too much sense because he's already worked and started for Kellen Moore. He did that last year in Philadelphia.

I believe he's got relationships with other core or other coaches on the Saints offense. Uh, to me, that would make a ton of senses for New Orleans to flip Cleveland to pick and for context here. Um, George Kittle averaged 15.8 PPR fantasy points per game last year, which was number one, 15.8. Two years ago, David Njoku scored 16.4 or more PPR fantasy points in each of his last five games with Joe Flacco. So pretty incredible. Hey, can I throw out a quick nugget coaching wise too, just cause Dave did, which I think

is, is, is interesting. I'm with Dave. I think Joe Flacco is going to, going to start. I do hope should or Sanders rises to the occasion. What was interesting to me, and you pointed it out, Dave, that the Browns passed on should or six, six times before they picked him, their head coach, Kevin Stefanski and should or Sanders offensive coordinator, Pat Schirmer worked together in Minnesota. So I'm not going to say that the So I'm not going to say that the,

I'm not going to say that the offense is like the exact same. I can't say that I know the playbook. It's not, but you would think that, I mean, maybe Pat Shermer, you know, send a couple of texts to Kevin Stefanski saying like, Hey, maybe this is not someone that you want to pick, but at least there is a, you know, coaching connection that those two know

each other. And yes, Pat Shermer wanted to throw the ball more. They barely ran it, but I think Chidor is kind of built for the play action bootleg can throw a little bit on the run type of offense that is very structured and actually doesn't want their quarterback to be improvising and creating off structure a lot, which is kind of tells the story of the formulation and the current state of their quarterback room in Cleveland. By the way, the Raiders also drafted two quarterbacks in round six, but Dave, Tommy Malott

will probably change positions. Yes. Okay. So who do you guys draft first in a dynasty league? Chaudhary Sanders or Dylan Gabriel? Sanders. Dave? Yeah. Oh yeah. Me too. I really, I would love to know the truth about the war room reaction when Cleveland took Sanders.

Didn't they say that it was not timed up right? They did say that. Yeah. But they looked like someone just stole their dog when they drafted Chaudhary Sanders. Yeah. It was, it was weird. Didn't they have a bunch of fans in the draft room? Like there were a bunch of people wearing Brown's give back shirts, something to that effect. It did not look like the back of the room had a lot of scouts there. No. So I wonder if they were annoyed because their draft room had been infiltrated by some,

by some deserving fans. To me what was interesting about, about that video is earlier, and maybe this was just, you know, first and second round compared to the fifth round early on when they went to the Browns war room, I was mostly watching NFL network. Jimmy Haslam was sitting like right behind Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry. When that happened, I didn't see Jimmy Haslam. So it kind of like reeked, uh, I mean, I guess you could interpret it either way, but kind of like Jimmy Haslam walks in says pictured her Sanders.

Now I'm getting out of the shot. So I don't want anyone to be like zeroing in on my facial expressions during this. That's like instantly what I thought of too, beyond like the again, somber demeanor that almost everyone had upfront. I tell you, man, if it was Jimmy Haslam who said pictured or Sanders, he did the right thing. You got to picture Sanders in the fifth round. The value was too good. Come on now. Okay. We'll take a break here. We'll look at anything that we missed, any players. We're not going to talk about every single player drafted today, but anything else that we need to discuss and we will be, oh, oh, I definitely want to talk about Trevor Etienne.

So we'll talk about him in a moment. Oh, and the giants. I can't believe I didn't mention this. Tyrone Tracy is maybe the biggest loser of them all. And we will talk about that when we come back. All right. Some quarterback news. Just Minnesota acquired Sam Howell from the Seahawks. So that gives them a backup quarterback. You had the Eagles taking Kyle McCord, the Steelers taking Will Howard. You know, again, I'm not going to read everything. Chris, just real quick, is there anything you want to say about the quarterbacks drafted today? Uh, not really. I was pretty like down on the later round quarterbacks in this class. Um, so there, there wasn't anyone that was like, Oh man, I, I mean, outside of shooter Sanders, really who we just talked about, I mean, maybe will Howard because only because of the fact that the Steelers have

Mason Rudolph. And I think will Howard is actually a lot like Mason Rudolph in terms of what he can do on the field from in the pocket, things like that. Maybe even a little bit better of an athlete than Rudolph, but beyond that, I, I personally didn't think there was any, wow, like that's a fun, sneaky option late at the quarterback spot. I think McCord is interesting. I think it's cool that he's going back to Philadelphia and obviously he's not the same type of quarterback as Jalen Hertz, but if he shows out in camp and he's the backup to

start the year and Hertz has to miss some time, they've got a solid thrower and he'll have good protection and he might be able to make some plays and help those wide receivers out. It would be a different type of offense. Okay, let's go to the running backs here. So right out of the gate, basically we get Basial tootin to Jacksonville. We've talked about that, but then we get to Cam Scataboo out of Arizona State going to the

Giants. He's a kind of a beast out there, but he's pretty slow by NFL running back standards. Fair to say I'm pretty conflicted on him, but Dave, who are you drafting? Scataboo or Tyrone Tracy first? I have to take one of these guys. That's how I feel. I said, I think it's terrible for fantasy, you know? Yeah, it is.

This is a day three running back that I do think has a good chance to get a role. They still have Devin Singletary, right? Yes. And so there's a role, but it's not guaranteed to be a large role. And the lack of speed is going to be an issue, but I don't think you're playing Scadaboo for his speed. You're playing him for his muscle and his agility. And, you know, I don't hate it. He could have, what kind of a role did I talk about for Judkins? Scadaboo can do some of those things for the Giants, but so can Singletary. And so can Tracy.

According to Matt Waldman, a very bad in pass protection, bad technique. Yeah, you won't see him. He's going to play on running down, but not every running down. He's a good compliment for Tracy, right? It kind of makes sense, but. Right, but they're going to use three. I don't know who, I don't know if they're going to use three. They will abs, if they don't use three, then Scadaboo isn't very good. There's no need to use three. You think they're going to use? No, I think Scadaboo will play over Singletary. That's what I think. I don't. If he does, it's because he had a great camp in Singletary. Didn't. But they will, they'll use Scadaboo on

third and one, fourth and one, first and goal from the one. Like that makes sense. And that's gonna suck for Tyrone Tracy and Devin Singletary. Not that anybody's starting those guys at this point. This is easy. This is a backfield to avoid. Maybe you take Tracy with a late pick and full PPR and hope for the best. I agree with you that it's a backfield to avoid. I don't know that I agree with this idea that Devon Singletary would play ahead of Scadaboo and Scadaboo would come in at third and one and goal line situation. That just he the coaches are gonna trust Singletary. They love Devon Singletary. And he Singletary did a solid job last year when given an opportunity. But as soon as he got hurt, we saw that Tyrone Tracy was a lot

better than him. And when he came back, he really had a pretty limited role. You know, he played second fiddle to Tracy. Okay. But I still think Singletary will play out of Scataboo in general. I think it starts very soon. Tracy's the way, gun to my head, you're making me pick a giant's running back. It's Tyrone Tracy. Can I do it in round eight? Gunner to your helm. It's kind of like gun to my head, right? But okay, I think my final thought is, Singletary starts the season ahead of Scataboo.

Scataboo had a chance to overtake him. If he's good enough. Okay, all right. You want to weigh in on that Chris or move on? Just one other one that I want to throw out there and it's not even a player that I particularly liked on film and the analytics were not too kind to him but that could impact Joe Mixon.

Woody Marks, the Houston Texans fourth round pick out of USC. Not crazy elusive and it doesn't need to be a full scouting report, but I think it could impact Joe Mixon only because the Texans made a massive trade up to get Woody Marks. And in the draft pick trade chart, when I was doing the real grades, I'm typing in those trade parameters or those trade details. And it was a huge overpayment.

It was like there was a bunch of running back still available after round four. Obviously we've talked about 10 of them already and the Houston Texans felt compelled to move up to pick Woody Mark. So I don't know if he, I mean, he's nowhere near as talented as Joe Mixon. I don't think he's as talented as Damian Pierce, but I thought that was interesting to see in terms of just looking at someone that has been a pretty reliable fantasy player in Joe Mixon, his team that or watching his team pick a running back that they trade massively up from the fifth round into the fourth to get in Woody Marks.

Dave, you know, Trevor Etienne has a little bit of work to do he's got tuba hubbard and rico daddle ahead of him But uh, he's the third running back of day three after tootin and scataboo And then you've got Trying to get guys we haven't talked about devin neal devin neal was someone that you know In the consensus fantasy rankings before the draft. I think he was top seven or so. He was top 10 for sure The sixth round pick. Yeah, I don't know about top Five or six. No, I remember I was listening to Jacob Gibbs and Heath on the dynasty show. They were talking about running back six through 10 in the consensus rankings. And Devin Neal was one of the guys they talked about. I said on, was it with you, Chris? Whoever we were talking about with running backs,

I was like, he's my least favorite player that I've looked at. I looked at like 13 running backs. I have absolutely no interest in Devin Neal and he went in the sixth round, but a lot of people really liked him. So he was someone that went a lot later. Damien Martinez also went a lot later to Seattle. I like Damien Martinez a lot more, obviously, because I am super, super crowded backfield, but in terms of long-term production, if you're stashing him, I mean, you guys can speak about the dynasty value of some of these players better than I can, but 21 years old compared to Devin Neal, who's a little older.

I think Damien Martinez is more elusive and he's better through contact. Also Devin Neal did not have a very good workout. His relative athletic score was below seven. I think it was like somewhere in the fives or sixes, which is not very good. So I agree with you, Adam, that Neil was like fun on film, was a great productive runner at Kansas. But in terms of transitioning that to the NFL, now that we know even that he's a sixth rounder, I think the chances are extremely low that he becomes a quality back in the NFL. Yeah, it must've been Emory we were talking to when we talked about Devon Neal.

What do you think about ETN as a fourth round pick right after Tutin and Scataboo? My personal thought was that he looked better in Florida than he did at Georgia. And- I agree with that. Yeah, I don't know if he put on weight or something like that,

but he looked pretty damn fast at Florida and not so much, oh, Schaefer wants in. Yeah, and I want to hear from you because, oh, he doesn't want in. Okay. Well, he's a Florida guy, but what do you think about ETN? You think he has a chance to move up on the depth chart there, currently third,

I would say for Carolina? Yeah, I do think so. I mean, he's someone that I think was kind of picked maybe a little early, but I had him like fourth to fifth range. He's also very young. And for as much as Chuba Hubbard, uh, emerged last season and was super productive at Oklahoma state, this is not someone

that is a premier talent. That is this marquee prospect at the running back position in terms of his athleticism and what he can do. So I think in time Trevor ETN, if maybe he does shed a little weight and plays to the more of the level of explosiveness that he showed at Florida in a couple of years or late this season, if there's an injury, I think Trevor Etienne is skilled enough with the side to side wiggle and some of that explosiveness to ultimately, you know, be that waiver wire guy that could be, you know, if you're in a pinch, that could make sense for your roster.

All right. So wrap up running backs. that could be, you know, if you're in a pinch, that could make sense for your roster. All right, to wrap up running backs, we've had, we've talked about most of the guys in round four, Jarques Hunter is someone that Chris likes, Dylan Sampson going to Cleveland to pair with Quincheon Judkins and now Jerome Ford as well. Jordan James going to the 49ers, they always draft a running back.

Jaden Blue, I talked about at the top of the show, going to the Cowboys in round five. DJ Giddens to the Colts. You're not gonna get a lot of run with the Colts, but this is another guy that's, people like DJ Giddens. Maybe if something happens to, maybe this is a good handcuff. Olly Gordon to the Dolphins. I think you could say that Jalen Wright is a winner.

He probably goes into the season as the number two running back for the Dolphins, Jalen Wright. Devon Neil to the Saints, Khalil Mullins to the Titans, Mullings, excuse me, Taj Brooks to the Bengals, Damien Martinez, Seahawks, Breshard Smith to the Chiefs, Dave. What do you think about that? I think he's a good third down,

passing down type of running back. Good hands, good speed, smaller guy, and a potential contributor, maybe this year. You know what the track record is of rookie running backs with Andy Reid. Sometimes they hit, but I don't know about day three guys being able to do it, especially guys taking this late. The interesting fact with Richard Smith,

that is a segue from what Dave said, former wide receiver converted to running back. So like, it's not just like, oh, hey, he's good in the screen game. He can run legitimate routes and track the football down the field. And unlike Antonio Gibson and Tyrone Tracy, he had a lot more carries in college.

Even it was only one year. He had a full year of true running back work at SMU. Kyle Menongai to the Bears, LeQuint Allen to the Jaguars, these are all seventh round picks, Phil Moffat to the Cowboys, and Jacori Kroski Merritt to the commanders. Wide receivers. Do you see, Chris, any wide receivers taken on day three that you think will be, you know, fantasy relevant even if for a month in 2025? know, fantasy relevant, even if for a month in 2025. Um, I not many. I mean, Dave kind of spoke to it earlier that

good wide receiver class, not really a great wide receiver class, the one who and it's gonna sound crazy. And you guys can totally throw water on this idea. But I like and maybe I'm getting too obsessed with where guys are going to line up. Tori Horton to the Seahawks. I like him because he played predominantly on the outside of Colorado State. Six foot two runs really good routes, was really productive at Colorado State for like three seasons and then he tested really well. They have Cooper Cupp, they have Smith and Jigba. I like the fact that Torrey Horton is a little different than some of the other options that are certainly going to be well ahead of him in the pecking

order, but I think he brings something different to the field, being able to win on the outside against bigger, longer cornerbacks. They also drafted Ricky white. So I almost feel like these are shots from Seattle to try and find somebody who can take the top off the defense. Okay. And it ain't going to be a cupper JSN doing that at tight end. Gunner Helm was taken in the fourth round.

He was the only fourth round tight end. He's six, five, two 41 out of Texas. And he ran a four, eight, four 40. He's going to Tennessee four, eight,440 is not so great. How far behind the top six tight ends in this class who were drafted in rounds one through three? Do you think Gunnar Helm is? I was not a huge fan. But what I will say the caveat about the 484 is that right afterward, he must have or his agent must have reached out to Ian Rappaport. He tweeted, Oh look, like I rolled my ankle. He was one of those players that

got a bad start and like a false start in his 40 and you saw him fall down. And then he claimed that that's why he didn't test really well. Cause his testing was really, really poor. What I do like about Gunnar Helm, he's going to catch everything and he's pretty rugged after the catch. He is not someone who is going to create a lot of separation. Then again, day three tight ends, you're not going to get a lot of those players who can do that in any draft. So I think underneath if cam ward is like. Check down happy, or they're telling him Bill or Brian Callahan is saying,

check the football down, check it down. We're going to get it out into the flats to your tight end. Gunnar Helm can maybe create a little bit more than you would expect. He's not just going to catch the ball and run out of bounds. There's a little bit of balance when he's absorbing contact. We saw him do that a fair amount of the time at Texas and make, I don't want to say he's Robert Gronkowski, obviously, but make some difficult catches in traffic. So that's more of the refinement and the nuance part of his game that I like a lot more than his burst or his speed down the scene.

If your dynasty rookie only draft is three rounds, you're not even drafting him there. And you're not going to draft them and redraft. So I'm premium, you might take Gunnar Helm. Same question. I don't see him being a big contributor. Same question about tight ends, Chris. Do you see anyone making any impact this year? Take it on day four, on day three. Day four, it feels like it's day four, doesn't it? I like Mitchell Evans in terms,

he's similar to Gunnar Helm. He's like a better version of Gunnar Helm in that not gonna be a big separator, but is even better, I think, in traffic. And he's even better and had a higher miss tackle force rate than Gunnar Helm after the catch. So there is a Jatavian Sanders there in Carolina. But again, this is not like someone that is impossible to leap on the depth

chart and all it takes, I think, is a game or two for a relatively younger quarterback where you're making some big plays where, where him and the coaching staff is like, Hey, let's get this guy out there. He's a reliable player for us. He was really an overachiever at Notre Dame. So as a fifth rounder, like you're saying, there's not, you know, day four of the draft, so to speak, not a lot of upside, I think in general, but Mitchell Evans in Carolina is one that kind of caught my eye as someone that might have a little bit of a path to make an impact early in his career. And one that caught my eye was Caleb Loaner in round seven

to Detroit. He's a former basketball player. I mean, you don't have to draft or anything, but he's barely played football. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So a little bit of a project, but it seems to have some pretty good athletic skills. Would you say he's a loner, a rebel? He's no Robbie. Would you say he's a loner? A rebel? He's no Robbie. Oots, oots, oots, oots. Anyway, I just want to read a quick email here. This is from Jake in Kansas City, and it was about my nap story. He said, Adam, great story.

This is a perfect time of year to have no AC or heat and windows open and being fully relaxed on a beautiful day. Thanks for sharing. It's not just you. Dudes never lived in Miami. And also I don't have a Ron Dane Jersey Schaeffer. He's talking, Schaeffer's talking smack about me. Someone compared Cam Scataboo to Ron Dane, I think. And then a lot of people were like, who the hell is Ron Dane? Ron Dane was the, at the time, like the the best most prolific running back in college football history

I think I think he set the record and then the Giants drafted him in 2000 He was a big big boy. You don't see running backs like him anymore and Schaefer of course reminding everyone they drafted him over Sean Alexander I did not have a rendezvous. I had a Rodney Hampton Jersey, which is even more old-school big running back Not quite as big as Ron Day. What about Tyrone Wheatley? I didn't have a Tyrone Wheatley. Is he 28? I think he may have been 28.

Hampton was 27. 27 or 28. OK, yeah, yeah. OK. They had some big running backs, those Giants, back then. Now they got another one. Brandon Jacobs, continuing the tradition, Cam Scataboo. He's not like, he runs like that,

but he's not built like that. That's the problem. No, he Scadaboo. He's not like, he runs like that, but he's not built like that. That's the problem. No, he's more David Montgomery. He's not quite as good of an athlete as Montgomery, but built low to the ground and powerful that way, as opposed to like those guys were like 6'1", 245, just like trains on the football field. They don't exist anymore.

All right. No, they do not. Thanks everyone for, maybe yesterday. Thanks everyone for watching and listening. We will talk to you on Monday with a rankings update. Enjoy the rest of your weekend, everybody.