Fantasy Football Today - NFL Draft Day Two Recap! Biggest Steals, Shocks & Veteran Impacts (04/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 26, 2025

We start with some True or False about the running backs, wide receivers and tight ends selected on Day Two of the NFL Draft. There were four RBs drafted today and you could argue for any of them as the best Fantasy option in 2025. Then we get into big winners (6:15) and losers (11:30) including RJ Harvey, Courtland Sutton and Marvin Harrison Jr. as winners and Jaylen Warren as a loser. What about the Bears pass catchers? Are they losers due to too much target competition? ... Which Day Two rookie RB should be drafted first (20:15)? Quinshon Judkins? TreVeyon Henderson? Harvey? Kaleb Johnson? Which Day Two WR should be drafted first (30:00)? Jayden Higgins? Tre Harris? Kyle Williams? Jack Bech? And we finish with a Twitter poll about the rookie TEs (38:10) ... Quick news and notes and then a look at all of the QBs (44:00), RBs (46:00), WRs (49:50) and TEs (1:02:00) drafted and what it means for their values and for the veterans on their teams ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠ Shop our store: ⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304⁠ Follow FFT Express on Spotify: ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠ FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2⁠ Follow our FFT team on Twitter:⁠ @FFToday⁠,⁠ @AdamAizer⁠,⁠ @JameyEisenberg⁠,⁠ @daverichard⁠,⁠ @heathcummingssr⁠ Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday⁠ Join our Facebook group⁠ https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/⁠ Sign up for the FFT newsletter⁠ https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter⁠ You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the ⁠betting arena on CBSSports.com⁠ for all the latest ⁠sportsbook reviews⁠ and ⁠sportsbook To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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on Friday night, April 25th. Welcome to the show, it's Vanity Football Today. Adam Azer, Dave Richard, Jamie Eisenberg. Okay, true or false, you could make a compelling case for any of the four running backs that went in day two to be drafted first among that group. Yes, fact. True, true, yes.

Agree. Quinshawn Judkins. On the Agri-O-Meter. Quinshawn Judkins to the Browns, 36th overall. His backfield mate, Trevion Henderson to the Patriots, 36th overall. His backfield mate, Trevion Henderson to the Patriots, 38th overall. R.J. Harvey to the Broncos, 60th overall. Caleb-

Yeah, Caleb Johnson to the Steelers, 83rd overall. Kind of love that one too, right? Your big back, first and second down guy. I think, you know, not that they're going to be drafted in the same spots of these guys, but like you got to be thrilled for Deandre Swift and Travis Etienne and You know what the Javante Williams. I mean like their their situation got a lot better I would I would imagine like one of those teams is gonna sign JK Dobbins one of those teams gonna sign Nick Chubb but

they JK Dobbin is one of those teams that's going to sign Nick Chubb. We were talking about Ashton Gentry to the Jaguars at five, maybe the Bears at 10. Those two teams didn't take a running back yet. Now you have Dallas without a rookie there as well. It's a little mind boggling. Dallas is never going to draft a running back ever again. They've been so burned by the Ezekiel Apec. Well, the contract probably more than anything else. The pick was good. The contract, they gave them not so good, but I just feel like we've been waiting for years. Yeah. Yeah. Tight end, true or false. You could make a case for any of the three tight ends that went on round two, not Harold Fanon Jr. to the Browns, not this year, but you can make a case for any of the three tight ends that went on date on round two,

not Harold Fanon Jr. to the Browns, not this year. But you can make a case for any of the other three, Mason Taylor to the Jets, Terrence Ferguson to the Rams, Elijah Royal to the Seahawks. False. Make a case for what? To be number one of that trio. Of that trio? Yeah. Oh, true. of that trio? Yeah. Oh, true. I think I would expand it to be number one overall for not dynasty, just redraft for 2025.

False. Yeah, I would say false. We had this conversation last night as well. I think, you know, you're hoping that the talent of the two guys that were drafted in the first round, especially the capital that was spent on them, should carry them through even if it's not the best situations for either of them.

I just wish Colston Loveland or Tyler Warren had gone to the Rams or the Seahawks, you know, but it's Ferguson and Arroyo instead. All right. And then do I have one for the wide receivers? The wide receivers, let's see, we had Jayden Higgins go to the Texans, Luther Burden to the Bears, Trey Harris to the Chargers, Luther Burden to the Bears, Trey Harris to the Chargers, Jack Besh to the Raiders, Kyle Williams to the Patriots. I don't think anyone else has even a, oh, I didn't even see, I did not even see Ty Felton was the 102nd pick to the Bronco,

to the Vikings, pardon me. CPT's Vikings. I got one for you. Yeah. A day two wide receiver should be ranked ahead in redraft of a day one wide receiver, excluding a Bucca. Cause in redraft a Bucca is not gonna be a popular pick. I'll say false. Jamie? Oh yeah, I would take a bash over a couple of guys.

Over Golden or McMillan or Hunter? Over. I'm sorry. Well, I mean, a book up, but golden and a book. You would take, I would take Trey Harris over Golden. I I'm a big Jack best guy so I could be talked into bash over Golden as well. This is really interesting. Okay. That's, that's high praise for Trey Harris and Jack Besh. By the way, I think I've got an unofficial number.

I tried to do this during the draft over the last 10 years. I believe we have had 11 wide receivers drafted date two or three. So round two or later, who have finished as top 24 wide receivers drafted day two or three, so round two or later, who have finished as top 24 wide receivers in fantasy. I would really maybe look at it as 10 instead of 11 because Tyreek Hill was one of those guys, he had about 280 rushing yards and three touchdowns, something like that, he basically did,

he wouldn't have done it without the rushing. So let's say on average, one a year finishes top 24. Four day two wide receivers in the last decade have finished top 12 in at least one format. Those four were Michael Thomas, Pukinakua, Lad McConkey, and AJ Brown. AJ Brown only in non PPR. Those are the only ones who were like absolute stars

as rookies. All right, so it was exactly you know, it was exactly, I think what we expected. It was more interesting. Oh, it's always a little bit more interesting than day one, right? You just, the running backs come off the board and you have two rounds, that helps.

So let's get some big fantasy winners and losers. Jamie, you gave us the winners yesterday. So Dave, why don't you give us some fantasy winners and losers can be rookies or veterans from day two. I think all of the rookies ended up in good spots. Some of them have potential to be in great spots. Let's start with Harvey going to Denver. The competition for playing time there isn't that great.

I was a little surprised at how soon they took him, but he's a great speedster. He's sudden. He's got upside with his hands. Sean Payton does his thing. And it's guys like Julio McLaughlin and Audrick Estimé for now as far as competition goes. So I'm digging Harvey as someone who could be very, very good for fantasy. But I think Trevion Henderson is right there with him. His competition is Ramon Drey Stevenson and Antonio Gibson.

I think at minimum, he can take over that passing downs role. And as soon as Ramon Drey Stevenson fumbles, it's gonna be the Trevion Henderson show potentially. He is a different type of running back than what Mike Vrabel is used to in Tennessee, obviously, but I think he's very talented. So I could see him having a monster year.

Quintan Judkins sharing with Jerome Ford, but other than that, it's a great opportunity in Cleveland. Same exact thing for Caleb Johnson in Pittsburgh, sharing with Jalen Warren. I like a lot of these guys. I think they all landed in good spots. I do wish at least one of them had gone to Chicago or Dallas. We talked about that, but this is promising and this is what we were hoping for when we were talking about these guys before the draft,

that they would go to teams where they'd get good opportunities. And there's so much to like here. RJ Harvey going to the Broncos, they throw to their running backs so much. They throw to the running backs on first and second down a lot. So that's going to give him a big edge in PPR over probably a guy like Quinch on Judkins. And definitely over, I would think anyway, over Caleb Johnson in Pittsburgh, although Arthur Smith does have a history of being sometimes very, very, his offense is very much target running backs. Sometimes they don't. So it's, you know, it could be personnel based. One thing I want to guys, both guys last year had over 30 receptions in Harrison and Warren.

Yeah, but that's not great. But, but overall, their running back target rate was pretty high. I think. I wanted to look up RJ Harvey's goal line stats because that would worry me just going to Denver, like did they just give it to Estime? But Harvey was great near the goal line. He scored 15 touchdowns on 20 carries in his career from the three yard line or closer. So that is really terrific, terrific number there.

All right, any veteran winners Jamie might wanna add? I mean, I mentioned the guys that didn't get competition so far, you know, so those were pretty telling, you know, I think we're still going to see some guys that are out there, you know, Scadaboo, for example, Dylan Samson, for example, you know, there are guys out there that are still going to be some, you know, quality running backs that have a chance to, you know, obviously wreck some backfields. But the fact that we're heading into day three, round four, and Dallas doesn't have competition for Javante Williams, aside from Miles Sanders, but no rookie, that Chicago did not draft anybody, that Jacksonville is keeping their backfields so far intact. Those backfields are looking better for the veterans there. It's, again, easily to replace a couple of those guys.

But we could see Javante in a great spot, for example, or DeAndre Swift still in a great spot with an offense that is looking very, very good for Chicago, what they did offensively. Head coach through free agency through the draft. Trying to think of the other positions, because it's easy just to look at the running backs and say other veteran winners. I mean, look, Caleb Williams just got even better

today. Like we thought yesterday was good. You know, he got better on day two with Luther Burden going there, you know, so not great for the receivers overall. But you know, another weapon to add to what could be one of the best breakout quarterbacks going into year two. Trying to get any of the receivers. No, I mean, look, like, I think you could look at a guy like Cortland Sutton. They didn't add major wide receiver competition. You could look at Jackson Smith.

Harrison McBride. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Harrison McBride for sure. JSN, they added Elijah Arroyo, but I don't really think that's going to affect JSN. And I like Trey Harris, but the Chargers added nothing that's going to take anything away from McAuckie in the short range. No, but they did help Justin Herbert from a win perspective. Oh yeah, for sure. And a deep ball perspective. Trey Harris can really stretch the field. Trey, yeah. Oh man. Yeah. I thought that you guys, like Luther Burden, like Luther Burden going to the Bears.

Sorry, I'm all over the place. But Luther Burden going to the Bears. You know, I think about the amount of targets that Keenan Allen had last year, right? They're playing three receivers all the time. And I think that's a really good thing. I mean, I think that's a really good thing. I mean, I think that's a really good thing. I mean, I think that the amount of targets that Keenan Allen had last year, right?

They're playing three receivers all the time. So does he just slot into that slot role? And does this suck for Colson Loveland, who they drafted in the first round yesterday? So let's go to the losers. Let me transition to losers. Dave, are the Bears pass catchers losers with this Luther Burden pick 39th overall in the second round? No, I think I think Luther Burden will not have much on his

shoulders this year. I think he can certainly contribute in on teams. And I think that he can be a good screen option and short area target guy and take a couple of deep shots. His speed definitely, my son is a Bears fan and he insists that Luther Burden is going to play in the J-Mo role because he's comparing, everybody does it, the Detroit offense and what Ben Johnson ran. I kind of see it potentially going that way, but not consistently enough. I view Loveland and Burden as two quick hitting type of targets for Caleb Williams to get the ball out of his hands faster than he did last year.

And that's going to be job one for Ben Johnson. They're going to scheme up plays. So that ball is out in a second and a half. And they're going to ask Loveland and burden to make plays after the catch. And I love it. And they, it won't just be those two guys. We saw DJ Moore do it last year, but the, they can also expand Loveland and burden can expand on that and have an a dot. That's not negative one.

They can have an a dot. That's like six, seven yards downfield. But I think to start, they're going to be getting short area targets. I think Burden will be brought along slower than Loveland. I still think we're going to see a lot of two tight end sets in Chicago and not as many three receiver sets as we saw last year. So this was in athlon sports this morning. Um,

Jerr golf had the fifth most drop backs with two tight ends on the field last year. 169 snaps, uh, Caleb Williams. And obviously this is a Ben Johnson thing. Caleb Williams last year, despite his flaws, he was 47 of 75 for 452 yards, 132 air yards, five touchdowns, two interceptions, and a passer rating of 90.5 last year when they were in two tight insets. So this, huh? It's not that good.

It's better, probably better than what he was, but. It's better than what he was. And I think if you're Ben Johnson and you're identifying what you like to do and what maybe is going to help your young quarterback get the ball out quickly, as Dave just alluded to, some quick area targets. You know, you now added two of those guys.

And so you're looking at it as, you know, we keep saying, okay, who's going to play the same Brown roll? Who's going to be the slot receiver for the Bears? It's going to be a little bit of a different version of what the Lions often does. Not going to be exactly the same because the personnel clearly different. And so they just added two pieces. Now, the thing that makes you nervous when a new coach, especially an offensive coach comes in and he's looking at things and they have a guy that they just gave a big contract to a DJ Moore and a guy that they spent a first round pick on against the same regime up at top was a different coach.

Does he not like one of those two guys in particular? You know, and so does he identify as Loveland as a replacement for Alan as something that he can replace Colcomet with as a future piece that they're just going to build around, but really more for burden. Is this more of a telltale sign of DJ Moore or Romo Dunze, which is probably the more scary one, that these guys aren't going to be the type of players that we hope they could be.

And so that's the concern for me is that, is the two pass catchers being, are the two pass catchers being brought in to maybe overshadow the guys who we think are a little bit better, you know, at least going into the draft process. Nothing that you've said makes me feel good about Roma doing say I just you know, right. I think the good thing is he and Luther Burden are very different players. You know, you can't

just put Luther Burden in Roma doing say spot on the field and expect the same thing Luther Burden in Romo Dunze's spot on the field and expect the same thing. Luther Burden is a slot guy and Dunze is like a big physical outside receiver. But I mean, I think when you look at a lot of day two picks, you know, they just don't have that big of an impact as rookies. A lot of them don't do it. But like I said, a lot of them do. A lot of them are good. And then some of them are like, you know, Marvin Mims, just don't really do much. I could see that from Luther Burden, make a few big plays here or there,

but really not be that much of a factor. But I am wondering like, you draft a tight end and a wide receiver in the first 40 picks, how are we gonna get the, how are we gonna get the Roma-Dunze breakout? I'm not saying it won't happen, but you gotta be a little less confident in it now than you were a few days ago, right?

The ceiling just got, you know, smaller. Yeah, unfortunately, or less likely. You know, maybe like the same ceiling, because it's very possible that Loveland and Burden don't have huge impacts, but it's less likely for a huge breakout. There's more obstacles to it. I think is the best way to put it right. Unless you say, dude, they're replacing like 130 targets for Kenan Owen or whatever it was. Let's not forget that. But you're also getting a better Caleb Williams, too. So that's a big part

of this is that hopefully his improvement just is infectious throughout the entire offense and everybody's better. Yeah, bingo. Kenan Owen, 121 targets in 15 games. Any other losers worth bringing up real quick? We're up against the break. You want to just fire away? Obviously like Jalen Warren loser, but anyone else? So I like in the Jalen Warren thing, it's almost like what you were talking about yesterday in your roundabout way of saying League neighbors was a loser. Like Jalen Warren, I think goes back to like 2023 Jlen Warren. You know, whereas okay, he was looking like a potential huge breakout. Now that breakout is obviously

limited clearly, but can he still be what he was, which was a borderline RB2 in 2023? The average 11 and a half PPR points per game. I think that's definitely on the table because you're asking Caleb Johnson to come in and replace Najee Harris, which was 299 total touches. That's a lot for a rookie, especially if he's gonna get you know, 36 catches 47 targets. I believe is what it was I'm guessing it's probably if you're just again looking at the same offense clearly quarterbacks different but coaches have the same like probably 200 carries maybe 200 total touches for Caleb Johnson in his rookie season. And Jaylen Moran was, I think it was like 30 carry difference

between 2023 and 2024. He missed some time in the two seasons. Last year played 15 games, the year before he played 17. So if you're looking at what he did in 2023, I think it's a very good high end flex, low end RB2 that you could still get good value on now because people are going to probably gravitate toward Caleb Johnson, which I would. But this, I don't think crushes his fantasy value. Like let's say, what's going to happen in Cleveland? Like Jerome Ford is not going to be,

I think, very fantasy relevant with Judkinson. No. All right, let's take a break. We'll take a break. Before we do that, I just wanna let you know one more day of the NFL Draft, one more day of a post-game podcast. So we'll, or post-draft podcast. We'll break down, we'll have Chris Trapaso on,

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the Browns now. Trevion Henderson Patriots, RJ Harvey Broncos, Caleb Johnson Steelers. What would your answer be fellas? Henderson, but it's in pencil. And gonna want to do a little more research before I commit to that. And you guys are right there with the audience who said 34% Henderson, 32% Quincyan-Judkins. So they're neck and neck.

I think I'm leaning RJ Harvey actually, but not like a super strong lean. Johnson is last, RJ Harvey is 19%, Johnson has 16%. I will say, I need to say this. Over the last 10 years, I got all this data over the last 10 years, I've only got four running backs who were drafted in the second round that got big work right out of the gate. TJ Yelden, Dalvin Cook, Jonathan Taylor. That's it actually, just three. It usually takes a little bit of time. Maybe it's just a few weeks, but a little bit of time for a day two running back,

even in the second round to get big work. I hope one of these guys breaks that mold. For me, that's Judkins. That's what I see is the workload. I don't see why not with Harvey. I mean, he should be so much better than the Go Offlander estimate. He should, but you started two days ago, with Harvey. I mean, he should be so much better than the Go Offlander estimate.

He should, but you started two days ago, whatever show it was, with what Sean Payton's track record is of giving running backs workloads, like the workload for running backs. It should be. So here's the thing, right? So I went back and I actually looked at every single Josh McDaniel's running back today. And he's been an offensive coordinator, I think, for 17 seasons. He's only had three running backs with more than 250 carries. He's very often split.

Lawrence Moroney and gosh, I don't even remember, like very often split. But he gets to Las Vegas. He didn't split at all. Josh Jacobs got every touch. So I think if you give the coach the right guy, like Alvin Camara in the last season with Sean Payton, Camara got hurt, but he was on his way to being a true workhorse. I think you give the coach the right guy. I throw all that stuff out the window basically.

Do they have that guy? I don't know. I will say this. I haven't done my reggae. I don't know if you have Dave, but like they're all going to be very close, you know, um, for, for redraft. I just think there's so much upside with all of them. Like if, if Henderson can be that guy for the Patriots, which, you know, the thing that's a little nerve wracking is obviously he was sharing with a really good, you know, backfield partner, but

didn't get that type of workload in 2024 at Ohio State. I still think they're going to give, whether you like it or not, Stevenson work. I think you brought up the fumble situation. Once he fumbles, maybe it's Stevenson's job, maybe it's Henderson's job in a runaway. Harvey could easily be that guy in Denver. I just look at the path to touches right now. Like, Judkins, the runway is so clear. I know Jerome Ford's done some nice things, but to me, he's clearly just a backup

running back that has stepped into an opportunity at times and did okay with it, more so in 2023 than 2024. I don't know. I like the Browns offense enough with Joe Flacco. I know that sounds crazy for a 40-year-old quarterback, but I think it's going fun. Um, I still think the offensive line is good. I really love to fancy what he does with running backs to me. Judkins landed in as good a spot as any of these guys, not named national Gentile. Okay. So let's play devil's advocate for a second, because I think what you're saying makes a lot of sense. Uh, Jerome Ford isn't an amazing back, but he knows what he's doing when he's out there and the coaches will trust that. Judkins has to prove that.

And we talked about it ad nauseam leading up to the draft that Quinn Sean Judkins is not explosive. So he's going to work in that same exact type of role that Caleb Johnson might work in with Pittsburgh, like other big. I don't see that. I think Jalen Warren's a much better player than Jerome Ford. Oh, no, no, no. I'm just trying to say what the role is going to be. I'm not trying to compare them evenly because I agree with you. I think Jalen Warren's better than Jerome Ford. And I think Warren can eat in the Caleb Johnson's touches a little bit,

probably a little bit more than Ford can go into Judkin. So I don't know, man. I think the guy that's got the easiest path just strictly path is Adam's guy, Harvey, because the other running backs in Denver just aren't that great. Yeah, I look my just my guess is Sean Payton uses all three of them for a month and Harvey will have the opportunity to prove himself. And you know, I don't know how great he is. R.J. Harvey's been a very, very productive running back over six yards per carry three straight years.

He is a home run threat. He's also 24 years old. He's one of the older running backs. I like him, but he's kind of small at 5'8", 205, and he's 24 years old, so that's weird. Here's, oh, I wanted to mention this with Harvey, because Dave, you and I, I think we both said this about Harvey, or we said it about someone,

but I thought same thing about Harvey. He's one of these running backs that stutter steps a lot in the backfield. He's got that levy on him. Yeah, we said that about Hampton. Okay, and I saw the same thing with Harvey. So I, of course, wanna see every running back go to a team with a good offensive line,

but Harvey in particular, because he is very patient and he sets up his blocks. The Denver Broncos had arguably the best offensive line in football last year. I mean, I'll give it to the Eagles, but ESPN had them number one in both run block win rate and pass block win rate. PFF had them number one in pass blocking, I think number 11 in run blocking. But I love that for him, that the Broncos actually have a

really good offensive line because he might be the guy who needs it because he's kind of this patient runner, sets up his blocks. Preston Pysh, Jr. Chief Executive Officer, ESPN Right. But when you say patient, usually that's a good thing. Sometimes you can be too patient or you freeze a little bit, you stop your feet. And when you do that, that's when defenses can gang up on you and whatever lane there might've been is gone. I do think that that's correctable. Yeah. And I think any team that saw that with Hampton and certainly what Denver saw with Harvey,

I think they're going to say, well, we can correct that. He can use his patience judiciously, but he can also take off and go when we tell him to take off and go. Would you draft any of these guys, Judkins, Henderson, Harvey, Caleb Johnson over Omari and Hampton? I don't think so. Not right now, but maybe once we see what happens in camp. I am so excited. I'm so excited for these. I want to draft at least two of them. I really do. You know, I just, I think there's so much upside. You're the excited one. When do you want to do it? What round? Yeah. As soon as, as soon as there's, there's like, it's almost like the same group as last year's, like Alvin Camara is almost the end of, of the running backs that you feel very comfortable with. Then you get to the older

guys, the James Connors, the Aaron Jones, once we get to that range. So that's going to be round five, round five or later, tops, top 60 picks or, you know, get into, get into like 50, 50 or later. You're also a big Pacheco guy. Are you taking Pacheco over all them? Another winner? Yes. Yes, he is another one. I think so. I really think that, you know, what we saw from Pacheco last year is I'm not gonna hold it against him. Jamie, you always talk about those first two games for Pacheco. I think he was on

his way to a really big season. And again, you know what Andy Reid said to me at the league meetings, you know, like you're going to see him, you know, better version of him. I would probably lean a couple of these guys over Pacheco right now, but that's the range. I mean, I think you're looking at it, you know, like you mentioned James Connor, the tail end of that for me will probably be like Aaron Jones, but like, you know, you're looking at this group now, it got a lot better. It got a lot better, you know, so if you are going to, you know, take the hero RB zero RB route, like you got a lot better options, you know, when you're talking about getting

into that round five through seven range of you know Whenever you're gonna look to get that either first running back or second running back and you can you know? Go receiver receiver receiver for your first three picks quarterback tight end whatever and then Three or four running backs in a row and felt pretty good about it. Oh, yeah And yeah, like some of the guys that got pushed down, you know the the Jalen Warrens of the world They got pushed down to you know, the the Jalen Warrens of the world that got pushed down into, you know, the high end flex range. How many of these running backs, Judkins, Henderson, Harvey, Caleb Johnson, are you taking over Tyrone Tracy, who I guess you could call a

winner? Yes. All of them. Maybe not Caleb Johnson, but all of the others. I'm ready to take Caleb Johnson out of Tyrone Tracy. Let's go to our next Twitter poll questions about the wide receivers. I could not fit obviously all of the day two wide receivers, but who are you drafting first and half PPR? I didn't put Luther Burden here. I really don't think he would have won this poll. He's going to the Bears, but Jayden Higgins, he was the first receiver drafted and he was drafted 34th overall.

That's a really good spot. I mean, Lad McConkey was right around there. T Higgins was right around there. Michael Thomas, I think was drafted 34th overall. That's a really good spot. I mean, Lad McConkey was right around there. T Higgins was right around there. Michael Thomas, I think, was around 40th. But early round two receivers, some of them are really good. So Jaden Higgins to Houston, Trey Harris to the Chargers, Jack Besh to the Raiders,

and Kyle Williams, who was a third round pick, going to the Patriots. The other three were second round picks. Higgins to Houston, Trey Harris to the Chargers, Jack Besh to the Raiders, Kyle Williams to New England. And this is a very close poll. Everyone between 20% and 32% on Twitter. Trey Harris is the leader right now,

followed closely by Jack Besh and Jayden Higgins, who are basically tied, and Kyle Williams to the Patriots. He's in last, but still at 20%. So very even here with only 420 votes. Yeah, 420 votes, man. Dave, what's your vote here? Tell me you've nevermind, nevermind.

I'm gonna vote for Malik neighbors high school quarterback and that's Trey Harris. I think he's, I don't think he's a perfect prospect by any stretch. And I do worry about the deep speed, injury history, but he's tall, he's lean, he can track the football well, he can turn back to the quarterback, he can run some routes, he's lean, he can track the football well, he can turn back to the quarterback, he can run some routes, he's got to work on that.

And his competition on the outside is Mike Williams, who's older and slower, and Quentin Johnston, who one week can deliver double digit catches and the next week go completely catch less. So I'm hopeful that Trey Harris can be a helpful part of fantasy teams. And for now, I would take them over Golden. But they're both in that same range. What did I say yesterday with Golden? Round 10 is when I'd take them and put them on the bench and just kind of see what happens.

That's how I feel about Harris. And I wish I could feel that way about Besh because I really, talent-wise, I think he's up there. I think he's fantastic. I like him better than Harris. but he's, he's sharing with powers. He's sharing with Myers and the whole complexion of this Raiders offense changed the second they drafted Ashton Genti. So I'm worried about just how much upside there is for bash to me right now.

Uh, and I can obviously change this, but there are four receivers so far that have been drafted that I would consider taking round 10 or sooner. You already know two of them Harris and Golden the other two were guys that were in the top 10. Wait. Oh, okay. Hunter and McMillan. Okay. So can you all right. So just to summarize the four receivers that right now Dave would consider in the first 10 rounds of fantasy draft are Hunter, McMillan, Trey Harris and Matthew Golden. Okay. And redirect in read. Yeah, I haven't done any dynasty yet.

You know, I got we got to wrap our head around that. Sorry, Schaefer, can we get the poll up again? I want to get Jamie's thoughts on it here. Who are you drafting first and half PPR Jaden Higgins to the Texans Trey Harris to the Chargers Jack best to the Raiders Kyle Williams to the Patriots a best for me. You know, he couldn't he could be the number one receiver there. He's not going to be the number one guy in targets. But I mean, I love what the Raiders are doing right now. I mean, you know, they go they get their quarterback upgrade, they get, you

know, hopefully, an upgraded offensive coach, I think that'll be the case with, you know, Chip Kelly coming into the call plays. And, you know, chip Kelly coming in there call plays And you know, jeno smith leaning on these guys and looking at what the again path to opportunity is, you know So jacobie meyers, I think Uh has been a very solid player and you know Maybe doesn't get the credit he deserves because he was good at the end of his new england tenure He was good in, you know, las vegas in tandem with damonte adams. He was very good last year as well and can play a complementary role. Besh could come in and be the number one receiver. I don't see that, at least I hope not, in Los Angeles with the Chargers. I hope that's still McConkie. I don't disagree with anything Dave said in terms of what Harris

can do on the outside and be a strong threat for Justin Herbert. You talk about Gentie revamping the offense there. I think the Chargers also told us what they want to do with their backfield too, signing Najee Harris and drafting Omerian Hampton. So they're going to be still a run dominant team as well. So to me, I just look at Bess as somebody who can come in and be number two in targets. I hope it's not number one, because that's gonna really be a problem for Brock Bowers. But something bad happened to Brock Bowers if that happens. So I just like the opportunity there for him. So this was a great landing spot,

I think a great draft for the Raiders so far, excuse me. And he's my favorite of this group. Yeah, I don't know who my favorite is. It's like the running backs. It's a very tough call for me. I'm not sleeping on Higgins though, for the Texans or on any of them. Kyle Williams, I think has the best opportunity. And when I looked at those 11 wide receivers, I'll make it 10 without Tyree Kill, 10 wide

receivers drafted on day two or three who finished top 24 over the last 10 seasons. Opportunity really stood out when I analyze their situations. There were some players who came in and had to like really fight for targets like Chase Claypool who had the Steelers through like 41 passes per game. They I think they led the NFL and pass attempts and Claypool Deontay Johnson and who else was it? J, I think they led the NFL in pass attempts and Claypool, Deontay Johnson and who else was it? Juju, I think. They were all, you know, had a lot of targets so that he wasn't an example, but most of

these guys weren't really fighting with a lot of players for targets. I think, you know, they like McLaurin, for example, could even go to a horrible offense and still finish as a top 24 wide receiver in non PPR. It was for him because he he was the only good receiver there. I look at Trey Harris and I kind of feel like that might be what he's stepping into. He's got, not sorry, I'm sorry, Kyle Williams. It might be what Kyle Williams is stepping into here. He's obviously got digs coming 31 coming off a torn ACL or is he 32 coming off a torn ACL? I think he's 31. He is going to be 32 by the end of the season. 32 coming off torn ACL

and no one else. And I think an exciting quarterback. So don't sleep on him. But Higgins, you really just need the bounce back from CJ Stroud. Stroud was so bad on deep balls last year. Can Higgins help him with that? Higgins was really bad on deep balls last year at Iowa State. I think his quarterback had a lot to do with that. But I just want to stress that opportunity. I want you fantasy managers to think about that. Who's got the opportunity to not have a lot

of target competition? You probably don't think that about Jayden Higgins. That's probably the issue here. But Kyle Williams, he's got that opportunity. All right. Yeah, but then again, like it's got to be the right player, right? So did Jaylen Polk last year. Can't just be anyone with the opportunity.

Let's go to our tight end Twitter poll here. Actually, let's go to commercial break. We'll be right back on Fantasy Football today. Okay, flights on Air Canada. How about Prague? Ooh, Okay, flights on Air Canada. How about Prague? Ooh, Paris. Those gardens.

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Air Canada. Nice travels. Welcome back. Who are you drafting first in half PPR? I don't even know the results of this one. I'm going to be curious to see. And I wanted to throw, um, I wanted to throw Mason Taylor on here, but, you know, Twitter polls, you only do four options.

So who are you drafting first and half PPR? Colston Loveland, Tyler Warren, Terrence. Why would you Ferguson ahead of Taylor? That's a weird one. Because I think being on the Rams is so much better than being on the Jets. I think for this year. Is this even a question?

You disagree with that? You think I should have put Mason Taylor on there? Yeah. Yes. I don't think Mason Taylor has a chance of being the number one tight end this year. I think Ferguson. Yeah, it was Terrence Ferguson.

I don't know. Ferguson was drafted, what, 10 picks after him or something? Not even, I don't remember. I'm thrilled for him. He's really good. I think you're thrilled for him. He's really good. I think you're sleeping on him. He was four picks. He was four picks after Mason Taylor, drafted by the Rams,

who have a very, very good track record of making draft picks. He could be, could he be second on the team in targets? I think so. Ferguson? Oh, no, you got Devante Adams there. I guess it's not gonna be. Oh yeah, that guy. Does he get more targets than Tutu Atwell?

Yes, I think so. Does he get more targets than Tyler Higbee? Well, yes, I think so. All right, fine. I should have put Mason Taylor on there. Should I do it again? All right. Well, anyway, it was going to be it was going to be Lovelander.

It was going to be Lovelander Warren anyway, winning this poll. Loveland got 50 percent of the vote. Shafer voted for Tyler Warren, almost no love for Elijah Arroyo. Could he be second on the team in targets? Yes. Yeah, could. OK. All right. Well, this was a boring one. But maybe you should ask us how we would rank our top four tight ends and redraft. Go ahead. Thank your top four tight ends and redraft. I have absolutely no idea. I'm kidding. This will be interesting hours. No rookies, rookies,

rookies, rookies. Warren is going to be first for me. Loveland's going to be second. And then it will be some combination of Arroyo and Taylor. I kind of like where Arroyo's upside is compared to Taylor overall. Oh, that's not even a question I'm drafting this year. Elijah Royo over Mason Taylor is you are or not? Absolutely. All right, because a lot of people love Mason Taylor. It's about fields. It's about fields and girl 23 help Colkamed average over 10. Oh, Colkamed. That's such a nothing year. What a nothing year that was like,

I'm sorry that that's still a top 12. It is, but that's the upside. That's the upside. It was a 700. It has that much more upside. I don't, again, I don't think no offense going away. You could, I could see it happening. Eventually, I mean, honestly, I don't really think either the, those guys are going to be that good this year. And even if, even if he does go away, AJ Barner is still there. But to me, I view Arroyo differently than those guys. Well, certainly differently than Barner. But to me, he's more like fan, more of a move tight end and a guy that brings some speed

and a mismatch problem to an offense that doesn't have a ton of speed at wide receiver. Like they've got MVS, he's going to take the top off theoretically. Arroyo is going to be, I think they've got designs for him and this is the type of scheme where move tight ends can do very, very well. Not a great pronunciation of Elijah Arroyo's last name, by the way, in the draft tonight. Oh, I know Elijah Arroyo's last name, by the way, in the draft tonight. Oh, I know. Arroyo. Oh, dude, no a fan could be a goner.

They save almost 9 million against the cap. Really? If they dump them. Yep. I happen to be a big Elijah Arroyo fan. I think he's really talented. Right. I don't want to let my bias get in the way here, especially since, and this is interesting,

like both Arroyo and Taylor did not have great stats in college. Arroyo really only had one big year. Taylor started for three years at LSU. He just ran a lot of routes, didn't get a ton of targets until his last year there. So they're both projection type players. And I don't know if I'm necessarily drafting either one of them. Maybe with like my third to last pick. Yeah, maybe. All right. Well, obviously, they cut Tyler Higbee that might change things a little bit. But I did they still have to have that Devante Adams guy. Okay. News and notes real quick. The

Steelers still hopeful for Aaron Rodgers. They think a decision could be coming soon. Liam Cohen, the head coach of the Jaguars, said the plan is for Travis Hunter to play on offense primarily and learn the defense throughout the off season. He didn't say the snap counts or anything like that. Obviously it's all fluid, but that's what Liam Cohen said.

Travis Hunter primarily on offense. And Nick Saban called Mason Taylor, Jets tight end now. He called him an outstanding player and said it was his biggest recruiting mistake when he was at Alabama. So yeah, we all like Mason Taylor. Just don't love the Jets situation there. But yeah, so this remember, Nick Saban said, according to Brian Dable last year on hard knocks that the two players who were a problem for him in 2023 were Brock Bowers and Malik neighbors. So him calling him praising Mason Taylor saying it was his

biggest recruiting mistake at Alabama. That's pretty interesting. I let's go position by position talk about the quarterbacks and running backs wide receivers tight ends see if we have time for offensive line Quarterbacks so Ward and Jackson dart yesterday to the Titans and the Giants Tyler Shuck to the Saints in round two Jalen Milrow to the Seahawks in round three and Dylan Gabriel to the Browns in round three Shuck going 52 picks before Milrow 54 picks picks before Dylan Gabriel. Jamie, what'd you think about these quarterbacks?

I mean, everybody hates you. They're Sanders on it's just crazy. Yeah. Look, they're there. You know, maybe Tyler Shuck can can be the starter depending on the day their car situation, whether it's you know, he's gone, or his shoulder. So that's really the one you want to keep an eye on there clearly Dylan Gabriel can compete for the starting job in Cleveland but does he beat out Joe Flacco right away is this one of those situations where early in the season if Flacco struggling they turn to Gabriel do they turn to Kenny Pickett first I was actually surprised that

he was the guy that they chose I thought you know from what you're hearing that it would be McCord I was actually surprised that he was the guy that they chose. I thought you know from what you're hearing that it would be McCord I Mean no rose the wild card here, but you're gonna have to wait or need an injury You know because of what they just paid Sam Darnold so It could be a really good long-term situation. You know especially for dynasty managers You know you want to take a chance on him and see how this pans out in potentially maybe a year, but most likely two.

If Darnold just reverts back to pre-Minnesota Darnold, then maybe he gets an opportunity to do what Jalen Hurst did, for example, take over and run away with the job because we know the fantasy upside is there. Will the NFL upside be there? I like the move by Seattle. So Milro somebody that in super flex, you know, dynasty leagues will be very interesting to see when he goes. But yeah, these are these are all backups. I'm just reading right now Sam Darnold. I it does not appear that he has any guaranteed money after this year. He has a $15 million March roster bonus in

2026 according to ESPN. It's and his contract there his contract is guaranteed for injury now. But if he doesn't get injured, they could cut Sam Darnold after year one. All right, running backs we've got I think we talked about it all if there's anything you want to add. All right. Give me projection. How many carries for all four of these guys? How many carries and you're one for quinch on Judkins? 215 14 per game with a little bit more toward the end of the

year. If you think I can do 14 times 17, you're very wrong. Let's see. 14, 142, 80, 28, 42. So that's two, two, 48, two, two, 40 ish. 21. Let's see. 73, 14, 14, type L.M.N.O. 238. I said to really do in math. Damn it. It's 12, 15 in the morning.

How many carries for Trevion Henderson? I'm scared to answer now because I don't want to do any more math. It was pretty close. 175. 12 times 17. You said carries, right? 12. How many carries? I'm just now. Wait, you know, 200. Let's say

230 carries for Judkins. How many catches for Judkins? 1820. 22. How many catches for Trevion Henderson? I Judkins gets to 255 carries. Trevion Henderson. You tell me that right now, he's my favorite. How many catches for Henderson? Uh-huh. 35. Oh. 40.

Oh. 45. Then he's a bust in year one. I mean, what did you say? How many carries? 170 carries? I don't even know what you said. Started with one.

I think 200 carries, but 45 catches. Oh, that's not enough for me. I want to see. I want to see a 50 to 60 catch season from Trevon Henderson. This is a good, this is a good exercise. I'm glad we're doing this. Well, Josh, Josh Jacobs played every game 2022 and he had 53 catches, I think. Obviously, Josh McDaniels has a great history with James White and gosh, who else? Kevin Falk, Shane Vereen. I mean, he's had 80 catch guys in the past. I don't know if Henderson is that kind of player, but I want to see them use him that way.

RJ Harvey carries and catches. 180 and 30. 30! 05 and 30. 30! On the Broncos! He's not a polished pass catcher or third down back. No, but that's what they do.

They throw to their running backs all the time. Yeah, they might throw to somebody else. They will. Oh man. Yeah, that's why I'm only giving them 30 catches. I'm giving them 40. I'm very optimistic today. Caleb Johnson, I'm,

Caleb Johnson for Pittsburgh, carries and catches. 200 and fifteen. Two hundred and fifty carries. Seven more than Naji had last year. Yeah. Well, what did Naji have to thirty six? Impressive that you remembered that. I just wrote a story on it.

Oh, you're wrong. Dyslexia man. 263 and 36. 263 and 36 receptions. Yeah. Sorry. Caleb Johnson's not going to sniff 36 receptions. I mean if Najee can, why not Caleb Johnson?

Because I was 70-cash guy. Yeah, but he's not a good pass catcher. He just benefited from being there Um, all right wide receivers. So we had jaden higgins What do you think of of this pick overall what it means for houston and all the relevant guys? Means tank dell is probably not playing in 2025 and who knows if he's ever gonna play again for the texans and Christian kirk is just to be a rental for you.

Higgins is going to be a perimeter receiver who plays opposite Nico Collins for the rest of his life. And that makes me sad because Higgins is really good. Great hands, three drops over the last two years. That's 209 targets at Iowa State. Um, big dude, six, four. He's kind of like Nico Collins in that regard, but he's not a burner, um, quicker than fast, just big guy, catch radius, kind of like a glorified

tight end playing wide receiver. Noel is the one that kind of intrigues me because he is fast and he's like, of intrigues me because he is fast and he's like, I was about to say he's a thicker tank Dell because everybody's thicker than tank Dell. Um, he's 180 pounds, good speed, can play in the slot very quick, small hands. So he's got a little bit more of a drops issue than Jayden Higgins does, but I kind of, I kind of like Noel better in redraft and maybe even in dynasty too. Yeah. Well, but no, but, oh, in dynasty you're saying?

I didn't read in redraft. Like in dynasty, but isn't he just buried behind Christian Kirk this year, Jaylen Noel? He might be. He's a slot receiver. Jayden Higgins is buried behind Nico Collins. He's the number two receiver. He's a slot receiver. Jayden Higgins is buried behind Nico Collins. No, he's the number two receiver. He's on the outside.

Yeah, but one of these guys can take the top off. Look, I don't think I'm drafting either Texan's rookie wide receiver. So it's semantics about who I would really take first. But in dynasty, I think I might take Noel first. Well, I guess I would just say if we thought Nico Collins and Stefan Diggs and Tank Dell could all have good seasons last year, they were all picked in the top six or seven rounds. You know, why? Why can't Jay Jayden Higgins, who was the fifth receiver off the board, and the 34th?

I mean, if you count Travis Hunter's receiver, fifth receiver off the board, 34th overall pick in the draft, I could make a, I could spin a more optimistic case for him, Dave. I mean, I think the opportunity is there for him. I don't know if he's gonna have a great year, but to be fantasy relevant at least.

Jamie, how you feeling about Higgins? I mean, I, I think he's the second best Texans receiver by the end of the season and maybe right out of the gate. Like you said, if CJ Stroud bounces back to what he was as a rookie, there's so much upside here. So while Collins had his breakout season in 2023, TankDell was putting up some pretty significant numbers. And so there's a pretty clear path here for him to have, you know, be one of those guys that when we talk about at the end of the season, like, is he approaching 900 yards

to your magic number as a rookie? Like he's going to be in that conversation. He's got that type of talent. So I'm glad Dave and I are a couple of dynasty leagues together. Does it bug you that Higgins isn't anywhere close to the same type of receiver as Tank Dell though? No, but you don't necessarily have to be in terms of what your target volume could be and he may have a better chance to get some easier opportunities than Tank Dell did in

his rookie season. Christian Kirk's missed a lot of time the last couple of years. So he can maybe do a few different things as well in the offense. So I'm optimistic. I think it was a good landing spot. You know, go back to your question with the Twitter poll of, you know, those, those four guys, I think it's, you know, close between Harris and Beck and Besht and, and H Higgins at least for me. I put in my notes that Higgins opportunity with the Texans reminds me a little bit of Juju Smith Schuster, who was one of those 11 wide receivers in the past decade that's finished in the top 24 while being drafted on day two or three. Well, yeah, on day two or three.

Reminds me a little bit of him in 2017. You had a stud in Antonio Brown. And then the other guys who were catching passes were Martavis, Bryant, and Leveon Bell. So if Higginson can come in and be good, I don't see why he can't, you know, be productive because you had Ben Roethlisberger, who was an established quarterback, right? You're not talking about some crap quarterback here. I just wanted to throw that comparison out. I thought I could see that kind of path whereby, as Jamie said, by the end of the year, he's the second best receiver for the Texans. All right.

Who else do we got here? We only got through one guy, so we have a lot of players. Luther Burden for the Bears, undraftable right now? In the same late round, you know, gamble that you would take on, you know, a buka, a little bit easier path to see him being productive, but it's just tough. It's really tough. It feels like what we're going to get from from him is what you got from Odunze last year. We got Trey Harris of the Chargers. I know you guys like that. Any knock here for

Lad McConkey? Nope, not for me. I don't think so. I mean, you know, again, if he's dynamic, then he's going to command more targets than let's say Quentin Johnston did. You know, the Mike Williams addition, as Jim Harbaugh said, you know, Justin Herbert was extremely ecstatic but for a guy that's in his early 30s at this point coming off, you know a couple years of knee and and You know injury prone situations That wasn't productive at all with the Jets in his short stint. They're like, I don't know I think there's a great spot for Harris to be in

All right. Next wide receiver off the board is Jack Besh. Jim, you've been pretty pumped about him. So I keep trying to do this to with no success to get someone to be worried about Brock Bowers, even though I'm not really worried about Brock Bowers, but yeah, we got it. Now we got a running back.'re gonna run the ball we got run heavy coaches here yeah you could see it you know where there's and again I'll go back to when you brought this up it was yesterday or pre-draft of I'm sorry I guess about yesterday with Gentie the the real question is are you are you taking Bowers or McBride because they're they're not going to I think slip past Kittle which at least for me is Titan 3 album I'm gonna guess it's gonna be

Based on ADP probably barring a hold up Look if you were to say right now McBride can get to six touchdowns Which may be all he has in his career, but if he can get to six touchdowns, I be all he has in his career but if he can get the six touchdowns I would take McBride. So the gap is closed. You know Bowers was a borderline first round pick for me, McBride late second. Bowers now more mid-round too and McBride is still kind of in that range. So it's not as rosy as it was when last year ended because you

got better run game, you got better talent around him, you also have better quarterbacks, that helps. And again, more creative play caller, but it's just so hard to gamble against what that talent could be for what he looked like as a rookie and just hopefully years to come of that that type of quality production Dave I am nervously going to tape McBride over Bowers and full PPR, but it is very very close But it will not be the case in non PPR. So what about Jacobi Myers or Jeff Jacobi Myers or Jack Bess? Myers still Myers, but you know, again, similar to the Houston situation. It wouldn't surprise me by the end of the season

that Bech is the best wide receiver there. Okay, Kyle Williams to the Patriots as we get to round three, 69th overall. A guy I really regret not talking about on our wide receiver preview shows. I'm sorry about that. He's out of Washington state, 5'11", 190 pounds. He's got good speed, ran a 4'4", 40-40 and had 1,200 yards and 14 touchdowns last year in 13 games for Washington State.

You guys share my optimism that there's some sneaky potential here for Kyle Williams. Do you feel that too or no? Definitely. He's got an opportunity to lead the Patriots wide receivers. Well, be second. It depends on Stefan digs. Obviously if digs is healthy and his old self, that guy's going to run away with all the targets, but if digs is a slower version of himself and it takes him a month to get ready for the season, then yeah, the doors open a little bit for Kyle Williams to be that guy, but he's open a little bit for Kyle Williams to

be that guy, but he's got to go there. He's got to practice. He's got to play great and he's got to stand out. The last few rookie wide receivers that the Patriots have taken, and I say last few facetiously, it's been a bunch, have not worked out. They have not been great, but Kyle Williams certainly deserves to be drafted in redraft in that same late round pick range as Harris, Golden Bash, but behind those guys. All right. Do we have a rookie wide receivers done for McDaniels? I'm going to guess not great.

Oh yeah. Yeah. I can go back and look, but I'm going to guess exactly that. I just want to point out rookie wide receivers usually don't do well. So if they're not drafted in the first round, usually don't do well. And even if they are, it's, it's a toss up. Um, I can't really think of, I mean, Nikhil Harry was one of them. Oh God, that was such a terrible pick.

I can't think of any others. I'm sure there have been. Yeah. Uh, Isaac think of any others. I'm sure there have been. Yeah. Isaac Tesla going to Detroit. Pat Bryant going to Denver. Jalen Noll going to Houston. Savion Williams to Green Bay. Ty Felton to Minnesota. Jamie, do we have a single draftable guy in redraft? Isaac Tesla to Detroit. Pat Bryant to Denver, Jalen Noll to Houston, Savion Williams to Green Bay, Ty Felton to Minnesota. Bryant, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. Just because you look at the receivers there for Denver, I know there should be some optimism

about Marvin Mims, but for whatever reason, we've seen Sean Payton, not necessarily, give him the type of opportunities that he's, I think, deserved. Devon Vailay may or may not have an opportunity as well, but there is clearly a path for somebody to take that number to receive a role and maybe run away with it. Clearly Evan Ingram is there now, so different playmaking tight end. Look, there's reasons to watch all of these guys. You know, we could sit here and say Matthew Golden and the chance that he has in Green Bay. Well, maybe we do get that from Savion Williams as well.

You know, another guy come in and push the Romeo Dobbs and the Duntabing Wicks of the world aside with Christian Watson not there and get a chance to be, you know, a playmaker for a receiving core that is, as the running back there said, missing an alpha. So I don't think Williams is that guy, but very telling that the Packers never invest heavily in wide receiver and first two days they take two. Okay. Dave, what'd you find? The all-time leader among rookie wide receivers under Josh McDaniels and targets is Aaron Dobson with 75. Okay. I think that's a number Kyle Williams can beat. I think he can get more than 75 targets,

but not a single one of these stiffs had more than 9.1 PPR points per game. This does not excite me very much about Kyle Williams, and maybe he isn't necessarily worth a pick, but guess what, guys, we've got time. We'll see how he does in mini camp and training camp. All right, tight ends. Colson Loveland. You could be good for Graeo Douglas.

Colson Loveland and Tyler Warren are first round picks. We have Mason Taylor in round two, Terrence Ferguson, four picks later to the Rams, Mason Taylor to the Jets. Quick Twitter poll here. Who do you draft first this year in half PPR? Mason Taylor on the Jets, Elijah Arroyo on Seattle. Right now only 181 votes, 54% Mason Taylor, 46% Elijah Arroyo.

So Arroyo was- I vote this to be. Okay, I would go Arroyo. I wonderroyo was OK. I would go well, but I wonder what Schaefer Schaefer, who would you take? Arroyo or Mason Taylor? And I pass on both. You take Schuders-Sanders and then Dave, let's talk about Harold Fanon Jr.

We haven't talked about him. This guy led the country in receptions and receiving yards. He goes to the Cleveland Brown, 67th overall. Bummer, but what a player he is. Trey Lockerbie I mean, I believe he set the FBS record for catches and yards by a tight end in a single season. And he is potentially the long-term replacement for David Njokku in Cleveland, and that could happen as soon as 2026. So Njokku will still do his thing. Harold Fanon is going to have to play like a madman in training camp, turn snaps alongside

Njokku and turn all of those three receiver sets in Cleveland into two tight end sets. Can he do it? It's possible. Would I love him if David Nojoko got traded or missed some time? Yeah, probably. I think he's a good player. But until that happens, this is another player. I just don't see myself drafting in redraft.

Dynasty, I'm taking him ahead of Arroyo and Taylor. As far as the offensive line goes, you know, the Texans took a tackle early in the second round. The Raiders at picks 98 and 99, they traded for both of those picks to draft offensive tackles. Yeah, interesting players too. And both of them got A's or A minuses

from our Chris Trapasso. You know, one thing I want to talk about that we pretty much skipped is... You just third person yourself as a grade? No. You say A's or A minuses? A's or A minuses. I think we should talk about Tyler Shuck just a little bit because he really, could he really be the starting quarterback for the Saints this year with this Derek Carr situation?

So when I did the report on him, I think he showed enough on film last year at Louisville and strictly last year that made me believe that a team that's salary cap strapped or transitioning a quarterback, they could turn to him and use him this year. If he's great, then great. Maybe they've got their guy long-term. If he stinks, then great. You'll find another quarterback in the 2026 draft. I think that's what the Saints are going to do.

Certainly experienced, older gentleman, injury prone. He's hurt his shoulders a bunch. It's funny how he's, he's, he has all these injuries, a couple of shoulder injuries and a broken leg, uh, all from running out of the pocket, never from being sacked, never from throwing too much or getting hit while he's throwing. It's always been when he's running. So my guess is he won't do a lot of that, But if his competition is Spencer Radler and Jake Ainer, this dude's starting for New Orleans in week one.

26 years old in September. Absolutely miserable completion percentage. I don't understand. He completed about 62% of his passes. Just, I don't have the stat in front of me, but I don't get how like a 26 year old could do that. But in college, horrible. I don't have the stat in front of me, but I don't get how like a 26 year old could do that. But in college, horrible.

Bad quarterback class, but don't get too excited. Any thoughts on Chidurah Sanders? I don't think we should waste our time. It's the story of the day. I thought it was an overblown story yesterday, but him not being drafted in the first three rounds. Now I get it. Now it's a story. Yeah, it's a look, you know, the, the interview process might have been horrible for him,

you know, based on the things you're hearing. Um, I don't think at this point, now it's a talent thing. Like if you're taking chances on the guys that are getting drafted right now, he certainly belongs in the conversation. So look, it's clearly there's some of the stuff that's being said is ridiculous. I don't think he's being blackballed by any stretch. It's just a silly conversation. But we're now in backup quarterback territory, which nobody thought. I think there was the idea of New Orleans at nine, Pittsburgh at 21, somebody else maybe buying back

into the first round like the Giants did that would say, okay, we'll take a chance on them just to see. If I'm the Rams at this point, for example, why not? Like, you have the two first round picks next year now to go get your quarterback of the future if you want to, since Stafford's basically playing on a one year to year basis If this kid shows you anything, you know, you recommend you did a record great recommendation product project on Baker Mayfield You know for just going in your system. I think if you give any player great coaching

He can make himself something if he's got the talent and I still think Sanders has some talent. So To me that'd be a great destination for him at this point because he's got the talent. And I still think Sanders has some talent. So to me, that'd be a great destination for him at this point, because he's going to be a backup. He's not going to get a chance to start. Well, the only thing I'll add is, if you if you have the time, watch his game against BYU. I've said it before. I'll say it again. He should not have played the bowl game.

He looked like he had no clue what he was doing out there. Really, I just wonder if he didn't play in the bowl game. If He, he looked like he had no clue what he was doing out there. Yeah. It really, I just wonder if he didn't play in the bowl game, if he could have been a first round pick or something that was such a no, because there's definitely, there's definitely something going on on top of what. The general public knows. Yeah. I just, I just don't think it's worth talking about on a fantasy show when he doesn't have a team yet.

Once he's on a team, we can talk about him a little bit more. I know it's a great big story and all that, but no one's. The content police are here. It's twelve thirty eight in the morning. I've been up since six a.m. We're talking about a guy who wasn't even drafted, who's not going to get drafted in our fan. You know, I'm done. Yeah, you know, I'll tell you, Dave can leave. I took a great nap today, as I was, we were all very tired. And the weather is so nice in New York that I don't have to put the air on in my house. And I didn't even need a blanket. Oh, God, let's go back to talking about sugar standards. I didn't even need a blanket. I didn't need the air conditioning,

the heat or a blanket to nap. It was absolutely perfect. Just what a beautiful afternoon. There's nothing better to take a nap. Oh, especially after a long night. I'll be taking a nap tomorrow. All right, folks. Have a great day. We'll talk to you after day three. What time is your next tomorrow? I don't know. I have a tennis match, so I'm not sure I will actually. I'm calling you at 6 a.m. No. Oh man, I have to be live streaming it. Thomas set up a live stream for 6 a.m.

We're calling Adam every hour. Later everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow. By the way, this is the nicest shirt you've worn in a long time. I went out to dinner tonight. Yeah. Where'd you go? I went to Bear Burger.

Do you have Bear Burger you go? I went to Bear Burger. Do you have Bear Burger in Florida? No. It's a burger place. Really? Well. I got a chicken sandwich. All right.

We'll talk to you all tomorrow. Yeah. Chicken sandwich at a burger place while wearing a salmon colored shirt. Yeah. Well, I bought burger meat, so I'm going to make burgers at home on Saturdays. So I'm just like, I'm not going to go to the restaurant. Okay. Now we'll talk to you tomorrow.

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