Fantasy Football Today - NFL Draft Day Two Winners and Losers! Ken Walker! (04/29 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 29, 2023

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No, I can? It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays on his feet. He's just going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Day two of the NFL Draft in the books. Adam Azer, Jamie Eisenberg, and Heath Cummings here to talk about it on a Friday night. And, yeah, we're tired, but I'm feeling pretty good.

Ready to rock and roll and talk about these guys. It's been a fun two days. And, you know, day two is always more fantasy relevant than day one. You just get a lot more players off the board. And what's going on with Ken Walker? What's going on with Travis Etienne? Did we lose two awesome breakout running backs for 2023? That's obviously a big question that we will answer.

Trivia question for you guys. Don't even think about it. Just jump right in. You have one second to answer. Were there more wide receivers or tight ends selected on Friday night? Tight ends. Tight ends. You are wrong. Oh, you should have taken more time to think about it.

There were 10 wide receivers. There were eight tight ends. I did feel that way. There were a ton of tight ends, eight of them off the board. There were 10 wide receivers. There were 8 tight ends. I did feel that way. There were a ton of tight ends. 8 of them off the board. That was pretty fun. Heath, good tight end club. Not a great wide receiver class. Good tight end class. The greatest

tight end class that never mattered. No. I'm sure a couple of them will matter in 3 years. I'm excited about them. Come on. The Cowboys, the Bills, we got some good opportunities for the Lions. Raiders.

Packers drafted two of them. Packers drafted two of them. I'm missing the joke there. They drafted two tight ends, didn't they? They drafted two tight ends. What was the joke? You said it like I thought they drafted a receiver that was like two tight ends. What's the joke? Oh, okay. Oh, you said it like I thought like they drafted a receiver that was like a tight... That's kind of a Heath joke.

To, uh... Yeah, they drafted Luke Musgrave and Tucker Craft. They did draft two legitimate tight ends. I thought you were calling someone else a tight end. Sorry about that. Okay, um...

Hey, real quick. So, we did this yesterday. We'll do it again today. Who is your favorite Day 2 quarterback for 2023 today. Who is your favorite day two quarterback for 2023? And who is your favorite day two quarterback for Dynasty? And there are only two. Will Levis to the Titans, Hendon Hooker to the Lions.

Who do you guys like better for 2023 and for Dynasty? Levis. I think there's an easier path to start for him this year because Tannehill could still get traded. I don't think Jared Goff is getting traded. And based on age, he may get an opportunity to play in his prime as opposed to Hooker, who knows when he'll get on the field. Yeah, Levis for sure, Dynasty.

Can I give it a push on 2023? Because I don't think either one of them would be my top 32 quarterbacks. You sure can. Okay. All right, now... I like the moves, though, for the two teams. I mean, you know, you needed something there.

You know, the Titans whiffed on Malik Willis. He just doesn't seem like he's an NFL-ready quarterback, at least right now. And the Lions, you know, trying to find their heir apparent as well if jared goff does get you know uh does does not succeed and they don't have a playoff run this year they may decide that that's the position they have to address significantly all right we'll have us to the titans hendon hooker and that was in the second round uh hendon hooker to the lions in the

third round all right let's look at the running backs here i want your favorite running back just the day two guys not bijan not jamir I want your favorite running back, just the day two guys, not Bijan, not Jameer Gibbs. Your favorite running back from day two for 2023, your favorite running back from day two for Dynasty. And we're looking at Zach Charbonnet to the Seahawks in round two. He was the only round two running back. And then we had four at round three. We had Kendra Miller out of TCU. I'll do my best to kind of give you a quick scouting report here. Zach Charbonnet is a big physical guy. He's 214 pounds, six feet. He goes to Seattle.

Kendra Miller, not a really explosive guy, kind of an in-between the tacklers runner, 5'11", 215. He goes to the Saints. Tajay Spears, some people like him more than others. Some people just view him as a change of pace back. Does not have an ACL. At a two lane. He is 5'10", 201.

He goes to Tennessee. So obviously we've got to see where Derrick Henry's going to be. Devon Achain. This guy's small, but he's fast and he's fun. Would you say Devon Achain is like Jameer Gibbs a couple rounds later? Similar type of profile? Yeah, not a bad comparison.

Okay, and he went to the Dolphins. Very, very fast player. And Tank Bigsby. They don't call him Tank for no reason, although I don't know why they call Tank Dell Tank. Very different players. But Tank Bigsby, running back from Auburn, 6'2", 210 pounds. And he is a bigger dude.

He's going to Jacksonville. So who is your favorite for 2023? Heath, you can start. Who's your favorite for Dynasty as well? It's the A-chain, A-train. Definitely for 2023, I think he has the best chance to be the lead back in a good offense. I would expect that Raheem Mostert and Jeff Wilson are going to get the veterans edge and start the year as the duo, but we know their

injury histories, we know their age, and we know what Mike McDaniel can do with explosive players, and A-Chain is an explosive player. So I like him best for 2023. I'm going to have my top 12 for Dynasty out by tomorrow, and one of the things that i'll be sleeping on is a chain versus charbonnet and dynasty because i like charbonnet quite a bit more um coming into this process and he was drafted earlier but i i just i don't know how or when he's going to be a lead running back jamie same question to you we got got your favorite in 2023, favorite in Dynasty, these five running backs. I agree with Heath that, how do you say it again?

Charbonnet? A-chain. Devon A-chain. A-chain. Yep. He's my favorite for 2023, but I think Spears is my favorite for Dynasty because Derrick Henry is not going to be on the Titans next year.

And if he shows anything in his rookie campaign certainly better than than haskins then he could be their guy next season especially if he's healthy so he could almost take a red shirt year if they don't you know if they if they keep henry we know there's still the the potential rumor and i think the fact that the eagles have now gone through two days of the nfl draft without adding a running back and that rumor still being there there, maybe that's something that could materialize on day three or after the NFL draft. But I think Spears, for me, would be the one that I would look at, just knowing that there's the chance of a complete rebuild for the Titans coming up. It could be the middle of the season.

They could decide if Tannehill does stay on the team. They go to Levis. They move on from Henry. It could happen to trade during the season. So Spears is my favorite of this group for dynasty, which sucks because I really was hoping Charbonnet was going to go someplace that he could have, could be a lead guy. And again, an injury may help that, but I don't think he's getting that opportunity in Seattle. Dave is texting me right now. He said,

Pete Carroll just said that Zach Charbonnet can handle third downs, but so can Kenny. We'll rotate them there too. I, you know, I think it's fair. I just, for you guys,

I mean, don't hold anyone to their dynasty or 2023 rankings right now. We really have to see how this plays out. We're just going to have some fun tonight and talk about these players. All right, let's go to wide receiver. Now we had 10 wide receivers selected today. And that started with maybe a little bit of a surprise.

Jonathan Mingo going to the Carolina Panthers in round two. He's the fifth wide receiver off the board after the four we had in the first round. Jonathan Mingo out of Ole Miss, 6'2", 220. Then we had Jaden Reed on his birthday. Happy birthday, Jaden Reed. You're an NFL player out of Michigan State going to the Packers. So the Packers drafted two tight ends

and a wide receiver. Not bad. Rasheed Rice going to the Chiefs. Kind of a bigger outside guy. 6'1", 204. Marvin Mims. He's a deep threat going to the Broncos. 5'11", 183. Gets down the field in a hurry. Nathaniel Tank Dell to the Broncos. 5'11", 183. Gets down the field in a hurry. Nathaniel Tank

Dell to the Texans. 5'8", 165. This guy is small, but he's fun. Then we had, in the third round, we had back-to-back Tennessee volunteers. Jalen Hyatt to the Giants. He's the smaller,

deep, he is also a deep threat. There's Mike Wallace comparisons from Ryan Wilson. And then Cedric Tillman, a more complete player, less explosive, goes to the Browns. Josh Downs, kind of like a Zay Flowers type, slotty, 5'9", 171, goes to the Colts. Michael Wilson, bigger guy, outside guy, 6'2", 213. He goes to the Cardinals.

And Trey Tucker, a bit of a surprise pick by the Raiders. He's more of a return specialist, very underwhelming numbers from a third-round wide receiver. We thought maybe he would be his teammate. Trey Scott going here. Sorry, is that his name? Trey Scott is a wide receiver. Yeah, sorry.

So he's Trey Tucker. But anyway, out of Cincinnati and probably not going to have a huge impact. At least that's going to be our approach. So I know there are a lot of names here. Heath, who's your favorite 2023 Day 2 wide receiver? Who's your favorite in Dynasty? So Jonathan Mingo, my favorite for 2023.

I think he has the best chance to be like the number one or number two on his own team, even though he was on the number two on an Ole Miss team that I don't think had anybody that's going to play in the NFL. But just that Thielen, Chark, Terrace, Marshall group is the easiest to beat out. And then I'm kind of going to go back and forth because Mims was my number five wide receiver before the draft. It's going to be Mingo or Mims at number five now.

But I also think that Mingo, and Dave brought this up, he kind of fits that Michael Pittman body style that Frank Reich seems to like in a wide receiver. So I like that fit quite a bit. Okay, because I've actually seen some A.J. Brown comparisons for Jonathan Mingo because they went to Ole Miss, obviously. All right, Jamie, how about you? Your favorite for 2023, your favorite for Dynasty?

It's Mingo for both, but I do think it's a very interesting group, because you have a hole, essentially, for the number three receiver in Green Bay, and Reid could fill that. Obviously, we know what the Chiefs receiving core looks like right now. Rice could come in and have an opportunity to play and have a significant role with the best quarterback in the league Tank Dell going to the Texans their situation being what it is

you know I know he's a smaller guy but you know could have a chance to be a very productive receiver my favorite of the latter guys would be Josh Downs just because I think you know getting a slot receiver to Anthony Richardson is a great spot and I'll go back again, you know, just to give them some credit. Uh, the, the trainer that I speak to quite a bit, um, Tony Malani at XP sports, uh, this was

his round for wide receivers. They're their group. Uh, they trained for the combine, um, Jaden Reed, is it Rashi rice? Yeah. Rashi rice, uh Tank Dell, and Josh Towns. They had that whole group, along with Jordan Addison. So it was a pretty impressive wide receiver run for them. And to have all those guys go in the first two days, I think is pretty impressive. So they did a good job getting those guys ready for the league. Okay.

Do you see any of these guys as top 100 picks in a fantasy draft for this year? Oh, Mingo should be. I mean, Adam Thielen has got a huge opportunity in front of him, but it feels like he needs a walker at times to get out there on the field. He's just old. And you said it, it feels like the type of receiver that could be a Frank Wright guy. And, you know, I think if you're going the route that the Panthers are going of, okay, we've invested in our young quarterback, you know, let's develop that rapport with the young receiver,

who many thoughts could be in the first round conversation, you know, for Mingo. So I think there's a chance for him to, you he has a good camp and maybe a good preseason, he can make the leap. Anyone else? Just Mingo as a top 100 receiver from this, not including yesterday's guys. Let's see what happens in training camp with A-Chain. I think he's the other one who could jump into the top 100.

Or he might be there anyway. But he's a round eight, round nine type guy. Oh, you're talking the running backs too. I'm sorry. No, no. guy. You're talking the running backs. I'm sorry. No, I was talking about the receivers. That's cool. By the way, if you're trying to think, Carolina takes a quarterback, number one overall, then they draft a wide receiver in the second

round. When was the last time that happened? That was Joe Burrow and T. Higgins. They were great as rookies. That's the round one, round two, or day one, day two? Round one, round two. What was picking and pickings last year? One and three?

I was talking about number one overall. But yeah, pickings, I think, was a second round pick or a third round pick. I think it was a third round pick. Okay. Yeah, but Burrow and Higgins were terrific. I mean, you have to look at Higgins' numbers just with Burrow because Burrow got hurt after 10 games or in his 10th game, but he was really on fire.

So I don't know. I don't think anybody really expected that as a rookie from Higgins, but that possibility is out there maybe for Mingo. Okay, tight end. That was that great receiver class, and he was a day two pick. That was the Jeffersonfferson right i use class right um yeah yeah yes jerry judy cd uh right rugs judy lamb rager jefferson iuke and then higgins okay guys sorry take rugs out of the equation which which name just does not belong or jalen rager yeah that's so bad uh well the eagles have made up for it since then so how about the uh the tight end in georgia guys

there were a not a bad strategy there were eight taken in rounds two and three and i'm not gonna read them all so who uh jamie who's your favorite uh you know what let's let's include kincaid let's include kincaid who's your favorite rookie tight end for 2023 and then for Dynasty? Yeah, you know, I started thinking more about what you were saying last night. I don't think the ceiling is quite there for him to be a top. What did you say? Nine? Yeah, he would be no lower than nine or ten for me.

Yeah, I'll still take the bet that we have. I'll take Oconco over him. But just the idea of him just playing in the slot is very intriguing if that's the role they're going to keep him in. And he'll be on the field a lot with Dawson Knox. So he would be my favorite given the draft capital. But it's so hard to look the opportunities for all these guys, or a lot of these guys, excuse me, you know,

when you have the Lions in the needed tight end, the Raiders in the needed tight end, the Cowboys in the needed tight end, you know, and just the chance for those guys, even the Packers, you know, when you have the Lions in the needed tight end, the Raiders in the needed tight end, the Cowboys in the needed tight end, you know, and just the chance for those guys, even the Packers, you know, as Heath, you know, said, you know, drafting two guys must great being the first one. But I'll take in Cade first. I'll take my, you know, mayor second. I just think, you know, the Raiders smart move to go out and get a,

you know, fill a hole and add to what is a very good receiving core, you know, now that especially Devante Adams doesn't fall off, which I don't think he's going to fall off dramatically. fill a hole, and add to what is a very good receiving core now, especially if Devonta Adams doesn't fall off, which I don't think he's going to fall off dramatically at his age. But they have some nice weapons there for Jimmy Garoppolo if he can continue to make plays and stay healthy. I'll stick with Kincaid and Mayer as one and two in Dynasty for sure. In redraft right now, I'll go with laporta as my favorite and i'll say i think that another guy could jump in that conversation i want to see if he wins the job

first or not but schoonmaker also with dallas like it's gonna be him or ferguson but they've gone through three or four different guys now in the last five years somebody's getting 100 to 110 targets at a tight end in that offense laportaorte is so intriguing because of the six-game suspension for Jamison Williams because he can get off to a good start in terms of targets and opportunity, and maybe he just runs away with it as a result of that. But we've certainly seen it. The Tyler Higbee breakout stretch, Jared Goff is not afraid

to use his tight end, and Ben Johnson, I think people might forget that TJ Hawkinson had some obviously pretty good moments at the beginning of their pairing before they made the trade last year. We're going to take a break here and we are going to talk about the Seahawks and the Jaguars.

I think Seahawks is a little bit more top of mind for everybody and Pete Carroll, according to Dave, said Charbonnet is gonna be right in there with ken um which like we should not we should just like ban the phrase pete carroll said you're right i guess yeah you're right that's that's the other thing it's like the least credible coach when it comes to quotes um by the way, we had four running backs selected in round three today. In the last eight seasons going into 2023, the last eight seasons,

there have been 24 running backs selected in round three. Only four of them were great. And only five of them were top 20 running backs as rookies. So six of them were top 24 out of 24 running backs. So it hasn't been a great round for running backs but there have been kareem hunt david johnson alvin camara uh antonio gibson was solid um yeah where was he no jonathan taylor was round two i thought you said round two i'm sorry, this is round three I'm talking about. Oh, Damien Pierce. Round four.

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He was en fueto. He was en fueto, absolutely. All right, so the Dynasty Show on Tuesday and more on Monday. I don't know if we're going to get to all of these prospects and what to expect from them. Let's talk about the impact on the current NFL players, and let's talk about the Jacksonville and the Seattle running back situation. So, Jamie, what do you think about the Seattle Seahawks right now

and Ken Walker and Zach Charbonnet? I hate it. I really, really hate it. I mean, Ken Walker is one of my favorite guys coming into the season. And, you know, to continue the Pete Carroll, avoid what he says, he told me at the owner's meeting when I asked him about Ken Walker getting better

that he was going to have a bigger role in the passing game. I guess maybe that is true. If that's a route they decided to go with him and make him more of a third down back. But the draft capital is the same. A second round pick for Walker, a second round pick for Charbonnet. Walker, when you talk about singles and doubles versus home runs, you know, he left a lot of singles and doubles probably on the table too much for the Seahawks liking and, you know, was looking for the home run. And maybe that's, you

know, something that bothered P. Carroll in this offense, but it just didn't feel like it was a need for them. And, you know, anytime you start to take luxury picks, that could be a problem for the guy that's already entrenched in the position so um i we said this last night you know you asked me about uh bijan versus ken walker and and that was close for me it's not even a question my god um so you know i i still would take walker over charbonnet but you know now we're talking about a guy that goes from however wherever you wanted to put him he's top 10 running back for for fantasy uh he's he's barely a top 20 guy now is it round three round four oh round four at the earliest i don't know how you can take him

the first three rounds sharpening might be better heath yeah i think i said uh round four earlier on when we did our live breakdown i think ken walker was the biggest loser of the first two days of the draft in terms of fantasy value. And that goes for dynasty as well. He was a top 10 back for me in redraft. He was a top four back for me in dynasty. And Jamie said he's barely top 20. I don't think he's when I get my rankings updated tomorrow or Sunday, I don't think he's going to be in my top 20. Now, I think he still has a lot of upside. That's the nice thing about both him and Charbonnet. And so if you can get him in round four,

or if you're drafting Charbonnet in round six or round seven, I think one injury, it's kind of like the old Chubb-Hunt thing, except not as high end. If one of them gets hurt, you're probably going to get a top 12 running back. Think about this, that we can get to August. I'm going to throw up when I say this. That Rashad Penny may be the best fantasy running back of the Eagles and Seahawks. so let me just play devil's advocate and and make the ken walker managers out there in dynasty a little more optimistic i'm going to give you some running backs who were drafted in the second

round i had done a little bit of this with you heath when i i intruded on your uh instant reaction i was so mad that dave said why don't you come on our instant reaction show? But I did a little bit. Okay. Anyway, these are guys who were drafted in the second round. Derek Henry. Didn't do much. 110 carries as a rookie. DeMarco Murray had a really good year. Nick Chubb. Nick Chubb did almost

nothing until they traded Carlos Hyde. And then Nick Chubb went berserk. Ronald Jones, 23 carries. Miles Sanders. When you get to the point where we're supposed to feel good about Ken Walker. Already. Already. Oh, because this is what Charbonnet is going to do.

Oh, gotcha. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yes. This is a case that Charbonnet may not have a very big role, even though he was picked in the second round. I would even say Ken Walker, right? I mean, Ken Walker was a backup to Rashad Penny until Penny got hurt. Miles Sanders, a clear backup to Jordan Howard before Howard got hurt. DeAndre Swift had 12 carries in his first four games.

Then after their bye, he started getting more work. Jonathan Taylor, I don't know what to make of that. Nine carries in week one, he was the backup, but, you know, Marlon Mack got hurt immediately. J.K. Dobbins, 25 carries in his first six games. I think you could look at some of these situations, even Brees Hall, 21 carries in his first three games. A lot of these guys were not backing up good running backs, though.

Certainly, Michael Carter is not Ken Walker. Marlon Mack is not Ken Walker. So this is just the optimistic case. Carlos Hyde back in the Nick Chubb day, right, wasn't Ken Walker. A lot of these round two running backs, believe it or not, even though they were taken there, they don't get handed the starting job. They are clear backups. It takes an injury or bad performance from the veteran running back

to get them in the lineup. Ken Walker might not, if that's the case, if he's getting 70% of the carries and Charbonnet is getting, you know, seven carries a game or something, Ken Walker might just keep that job and Charbonnet might just have a very quiet rookie season. So that's, that right there is the case. Yeah, no, I think you're right. And that's probably where Heath and I differ, you know, which is why I would still consider Walker in the fourth round.

And I would still consider him, again, right around the 20th running back. There's obviously going to be some losses here and, you know, look, they, I think they've had a great draft. You know, this, this was, again, they didn't have a very profound running back room. You know, they needed to add some depth there to, you know, make up for Ken Walker who missed some time last year, you know, or to support Ken Walker who missed some time last year, you know they needed to add some depth there to you know make up for ken walker who missed some time last year you know or to support ken walker who missed some time last year you know due to injury and so if they felt that this was the best player on the board they had a lot of draft capital they addressed their secondary they addressed their receiving core you know they they've done some nice things in the first two days of the draft with the capital that they've

had and so to get a player of his ability you know that's just a good situation if that's what they felt was best for their team. Now, again, you could say, OK, maybe another offensive lineman makes more sense, you know, some more depth there, however you want to go. But I think just looking at it for where Ken Walker comes out, yes. Could he still be the lead guy by leaps and bounds? Absolutely. He did a lot of great things for them last year. But, you know, you've referenced a lot of situations. This is also the same team that paid Matt Flintint a ton of money and then drafted russell wilson and russell wilson was better and he was a starting quarterback forever for seattle you know so p carroll for what he does preach competition and best player wins he's proven that and he's done it time and time again so

i think there could be a situation here where as good as Ken Walker might be as good as we saw him perform last year, if Charbonnet comes in and is just blowing the doors off the, the, the opportunities that he's getting, Ken Walker may not see the field very much, you know? So you just have to take that into account for the coach that he's dealing with.

I think you did a good job, Adam, illustrating that there's more upside than where we're going to rank Ken Walker now, because there is, there's just also more downside because're going to rank Ken Walker now. Cause there is, there's just also more downside. Yeah. Because like Jamie said,

Charbonnet could win the job. Yeah. I think you have to, you have to at least consider that this, this drafting of Charbonnet might tell you that the Seahawks don't like Ken Walker as much as we thought they did. And one thing I can guarantee Jamie, if Zach Charbonnet is blowing the doors off,

even if he's not Pete Carroll is going to say that he is. That's the problem. We're never going to know the truth there. They are both going to have the best, the greatest running back tandem camp in the history of running back tandems. What do you guys think about Jacksonville with Bigsby going there? And is that, Heath, do you think that's a big threat to Travis Etienne, Tank Bigsby being 88th overall?

No, we saw Michael Hastie have a little role. They've talked this offseason about how they wanted to get this ball to Stoop Connor more. They felt like they needed a second running back to work alongside Etienne. I don't think the similarity in talent is as close as it is with Walker and Charbonnet. And so I think this is a clear starting running back, backup running back situation. I think it's too early maybe to take a

backup running back and maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Tank Bigsby will have a bigger role in the red zone or something, but I don't really, I didn't downgrade ETN at all when they took Bigsby. Yeah, I agree. And Bigsby's another XPE guy and Tony Vellante, the trainer, told me just about how physical he is for a guy that can run. And so he's got a lot of attributes, I think, that teams covet, which is why he went in the third round. And again, another team,

you mentioned to Michael Hastie, think about that, they traded James Robinson and that was the guy that they went with as their backup running back last season. So they needed to add something to that room. They bring in Dearness Johnson. We'll see see he still might be the number two guy at least early on in the season because that's a guy that's shown some flashes and a guy that the jaguars

minimally invested in uh so take that into account but i think bigsby is going to be a good compliment to etn i am curious to hear you know at some point whenever we get him on again or you know if i'm not on with him but you know this has been something Dan Schneider has been saying about how he didn't think that ETN was the right fit for what Doug Peterson wants to do. And maybe that's true. And maybe Bigsby does have a bigger role than we anticipate. But I mean, I think everything that you you've seen from how they used ETN last year, I think he gets a bad rap for being considered a smaller back and not being

able to run between the tackles. I think he's certainly capable of doing that and showed that last season. Does he necessarily find the crease and hit the hole the way that, you know, maybe coaches want to see? You know, there could be some legitimacy to that. But I think there's just so much more upside for ETN. I think there's, again, I think this offense is going to be absolutely stupendous, ridiculous,

just put up a ton of points. Schedule is very favorable. Trevor Lawrence on the rise. Doug Peterson is one of the best play callers, and I think there will be opportunities for both these guys. So this is a high-end handcuff. This is a guy that may end up getting some flex opportunities for you, depending on how deep your league is. So he's in a good spot, but I don't think it's a threat to ETN

in terms of where he can go. Maybe just knocks the ceiling down a little bit. Cool. Let's talk about... Obviously, Etienne is blowing away Ken Walker right now in your rankings. Yes. Let's talk about some winners and

losers. You can go any direction you want. Obviously, Daniel Jones is a huge winner. Did I say it? The clock struck midnight. I went, obviously, Daniel Jones is a huge winner. But did I say it? Oh, the clock struck midnight. I went an entire day without saying Daniel Jones. But Saturday, the first words out of my mouth were Daniel Jones. So that's great. What do you think, Heath? Who are some winners we got for after this game? Yeah, I thought Jonathan Mingo was a pretty big winner. Here's an under-the-radar winner, Irv Smith.

All these teams went and got tight ends, nine tight ends in the first three rounds of the draft, and none of them went to the Cincinnati Bengals. And so I think he's going to be the Hayden Hurst of this year and could be a little better than Hurst was last year. Yeah, that's another storyline that we could spend an hour on, the players that didn't have someone added still tony pollard still joe mixon right yeah i was that when you're gonna come to me i

was gonna say rashad penny joe mixon dalvin cook you know the fact that you know three guys i guess alvin kamara you want to throw him in there too um javante williams no well they got kamara did get kendry miller oh i'm sorry yes uh Yes. Excuse me. But Mixon, Penny, Cook, you know, guys that, you know, still may be replaced. You know, don't be surprised if that's the case. But, you know, those teams not coming away with running backs in the first two days of the draft, I think, is pretty telling. Kadarius, Tony, and Sky Moore. You know, you've heard Andy Reid just rave about them this offseason. And Rice, I don't think, is the guy that's going to threaten them right away. He seems like more

of a threat to MVS at some point down the road. You know, so clearly you can't rule out DeAndre Hopkins based on Hopkins' wish list and the rumor of him going to Kansas City. I'm sure that's still a possibility. But I think just, know those two those two receivers not getting any significant threats is pretty encouraging especially if you have those guys those guys as dynasty you know options on your team and uh good comment from the chat foreman and khalil herbert the bears running backs yeah a lot of winners in that regard uh any of these wide receivers or tight white too yeah absolutely any Any wide receivers, tight ends, offensive linemen, anything like that elevating any quarterbacks for you?

I had this on my list yesterday when we were doing winners and losers. I don't think I said it, but Justin Fields, the fact that the Bears were able to get him some help offensive line-wise. I mean, clearly, look, the Packers made a concerted effort on day two to put guys around Jordan Love. So two tight ends, a wide receiver.

They needed weapons desperately. So that's a great situation for him just to try and give him options to improve. And let me just go through who those players are for Jordan love. He gets Jaden Reed, the wide receiver out of Michigan state, and he gets two tight ends, Luke Musgrave and Tucker craft.

And those were all round two and three picks. Okay. Honestly, in all seriousness, it's good. It's been a good off season for Daniel Jones, Waller, Hyatt as a big play threat, and I love the John Michael Schmitz pick at center.

I think that's a day one starter for them. Well, I mean, when you're looking at that Philly defensive line, you better give them some protection. Dear God, yeah. No, I don't like him in that week. Yeah, no, but it's been a good been a good off season for him undeniably anyway they're gonna throw the ball yeah what do you think heath i i don't know i mean i i tweeted out their depth chart at wide receiver and i just put them in alphabetical order because i have

absolutely no idea who their top three wide receivers are who their top two wide receivers are who their number one wide receiver is. No clue at all. I could not put any of the Giants wide receivers in any order. Well, Adam, I mean, let's assume everybody's healthy. So Wandale and Shepard are ready by week one. Yeah. Was their top three receivers? On the field or in fantasy?

Both. Okay, definitely. Because I would think they're probably the same. Definitely. If you guys are on the bench, you're not going to score many points. I don't think so. No, because Hyatt is a guy

that is probably not going to be their day one starter, but could end up being their best receiver. He's an interesting prospect. We were seeing a lot of potential round one, early round two for Hyatt. As wide receiver five, not round one, but wide receiver five. And he one, but wide receiver five. Uh, and he wasn't even close really.

He ended up being in round three. Um, they, the answer to your question, Darius Slayton is a lock. I would say Wanda Robinson and I have no idea. Hodgins on the outside. I kind of thought that, um, Hyatt and Slayton might be dependent on each other. Yeah, I think Slayton starts and then Hyatt takes over. Hyatt tries to take his job. Hyatt's got one.

Hyatt and Tillman, this is kind of really interesting. They went back-to-back. Tillman to the Browns. Hyatt went one pick ahead to the Giants. So these are two Tennessee receivers. And if you look at the production when they were both playing, Tillman, I mean, there was no production for Hyatt, right? He did nothing in 2021.

In fairness to him, he was also behind Valus Jones. He did nothing in 2021. And then he got totally outworked, outclassed in the first two games of the season by Tillman. And then Tillman got hurt. And then Hyatt won the Boletnikoff Award for the best receiver in the country and he became a better prospect in a lot of people's eyes so I don't know like you've talked about those two a lot Heath uh throughout this process and now that you see them going back to back what do you think I loved it because the Giants actually traded up I think to take Hyatt over Tillman um and Dan and I had agreed just like four days ago that we

were Tillman over Hyatt and weren't really huge fans of Hyatt. And so I, of course, immediately go to Dan's Twitter feed and just find three of the most glowing Jalen Hyatt tweets anyone's ever tweeted because, you know, big blue. But no, I think Dan said it best. Hyatt has more upside than Tillman. Tillman is more likely to be a professional wide receiver. I think there's a chance that Jalen Hyatt could have a 400-yard

season and a 600-yard season and doesn't get a second contract. Dan was pretty low on Hyatt when he was getting the late first round or the second round buzz, and he ended up looking good there. And he's also very low on Will Levis. He ended up looking good there as well. All right, let's take a break.

We'll come back. We'll talk about some more losers, and we'll go through some of these players. And I think we should spend a little bit more time on Kendra Miller. I mean, there's a chance that this guy is starting running back for the Saints for six games or something like that. So that's an interesting storyline there. We'll be right back on fft back one final time for the night we'll have another recap episode tomorrow or well today i guess you're listening on saturday later today after day three i'm not sure if thomas you're even aware of this dave richard and i've

been conspiring behind your back but chris trapasso is going to come on with us. Were you aware of that, Thomas? Okay, good. Chris Trapasso, I think you're off the hook, Heath. Oh, that sounds fantastic. Unless you want to come on. I was probably not going to come anyway. I know you have a lot going on. As soon as Thomas sent that text out that said I was a game-time decision,

I just figured, well, I'm clear now. Yeah. So Chris Trapasso, he scouts everyone, and he's giving grades on our draft tracker on CBSSports.com for everyone. He's a terrific resource. He'll come on with us to talk about day three. So any losers for you guys?

Any losers? Jamie? Well, Walker obviously is the biggest one. The Dolphins guys that were there, I think you've got to be really worried about, you know, Wilson and Mostert. Haskins, I'm just trying to go through the running backs right now quickly in my head. You know, just what his potential could be. I think for the Browns selection of Tillman,

and now looking at the acquisition of Elijah Moore and Donovan Peoples-Jones, obviously David Bell is somebody that I was kind of excited about before they added Elijah Moore, just thinking that he was going to be their slot receiver. He's going to struggle to get on the field at this point. And even Amari Cooper, there's so many mouths to feed there with Njoku. So it's a good situation for Deshaun Watson. He should probably put in the winner category just looking at all the weapons that he has at his disposal.

I think all the receivers there... Cooper to me was, when my initial rankings, was a borderline number one receiver. He was in my top 15 and I can't put him that high. He's still the best Browns receiver, clearly, and still got a chance to be a very solid number two fantasy option. I think he's the best Browns receiver, clearly, and still got a chance to be a very solid number two fantasy option.

But I think the entire Browns receiving core is a loser just because of the additions that they made this offseason. Yeah, I mean, Donovan Peoples-Jones at the beginning of the offseason, I thought was going to be one of my sleepers, and he might not be on the roster by the time Week 1 gets here. I've got three running backs

who I really thought would, or I hoped would get day two draft capital, and now they're going to have to win as day three guys. Izzy Abinacanda. How did I do on that one, Andy? Oh, Abinacanda. Abinacanda. Abinacanda.

Zach Evans and Roshon Johnson. Who was the second one? I was singing. Zach Evans and Roshon Johnson. Those three guys not getting picked on day two makes their path to dynasty success a lot more difficult. Yeah, Abin Akand is really fascinating. This guy is fast, and he's got such a great name.

And I was trying to sing Steve Miller band Abracadabra over it, but I think I can work on that. Okay, how about Nelson Aguilar? Does he feel like a loser to you guys? Was he ever a winner? Nelson Aguilar, I'm sorry. Jacoby Myers. I don't know what team he's on. Patriots, Raiders.

Nelson Aguilar's on the Ravens. I know, but he was on the Raiders. Oh, he is a big loser. And then he was on the Patriots. He is a big loser, but he lost, yes. Jacoby Myers. Jacoby Myers is who I meant. I don't know. Oh, he is a big loser. And then he was on the Patriots. He is a big loser, but... He lost, yes. Jacoby Myers. Jacoby Myers is who I meant. I don't know. No, I don't think he's a big loser.

I mean, you probably make a case that Renfro is probably a bigger loser than he is. Just the fact that they drafted a small slot receiver if he is going to get on the field. And then, you know, the addition of Mayer. But, yeah, again, I think anytime you add to these receiving cores, you know, someone's going to take a hit in some capacity, you know, for where even just their ceiling lies. So, sure, you can make that case. I think Adam Thielen's a loser.

You know, the fact that Mingo was brought in. You know, Heath was saying yesterday or, yeah, when we did our video on Bryce Young, you know, I know you had him, I think, in your 30s at receiver, right, if I'm not mistaken. Right. So he could still be that guy. There's no question about it. He's probably the most proven and best track record there. But if Mingo is anything close to where he could be,

it's hard for a Thielen to reach the ceiling. Other losers? Yeah, that's all right. Morgan says, Adam's just making sure everyone's awake, LOL. Yep, I threw a Nelson Aguilar out there. Yeah, let me give you some quick news items here. He's actually a great trivia question for this draft. Because if you, I'm trying to think how to word it.

Can you name all the first round wide receivers on the Ravens right now? Is Antonio, well, he wasn't first round pick, but is Antonio Brown on the Ravens? What was that all about? He did. He did say that he was joining the Ravens. He announced it, but they have not confirmed. Okay.

The first round. Okay. We got Bateman. We've got Beckham. We've got Aguilar. Am I missing someone? Yes. At least one.

He's helping to bloom this year. Yes, there's one. Peter Undine. You're missing the most recent. Zay Flowers. Zay Flowers. Zay Flowers. Is that all, or is Sammy Watkins still on the roster?

He's not on the roster. But prior to, obviously, us talking about Nelson Aguilar, nobody would ever think that Nelson Aguilar was a first-round wide receiver. Yeah. News and notes, Arthur Smith likesan robinson's ability to play slot receiver yeah that's cool that's good because they only have one receiver so they're gonna need him to play in some other places the cardinals oh i know who i was thinking loser uh the the broncos receivers yeah you think so see i don't know i think sutton probably

uh mims is son's the biggest loser of the group but you got patrick coming back and now the No. You think so? See, I don't know. I think Sutton probably. Mims is... Sutton's the biggest loser of the group, but you got Patrick coming back. Patrick's the biggest loser. Patrick's the biggest loser of the group. Yeah, but he's still going to play. Right, but he's a bigger loser than Sutton. Isn't Mims a Patrick replacement,

not a Sutton replacement? I mean, he could be a KJ Hamler replacement for all we know. But you're just looking at another Maltsefie with a new regime that drafted him. So the rumor of them trading a wide receiver i think it still could happen i wouldn't be surprised if sutton gets moved you know because how desperate teams are for wide receivers and he's clearly you know in terms of value plus age you know so trending in the wrong direction for them but still has value because of what he's done um but i i

think right now if you're saying another receiver added to the mix, it hurts Dulcich, I think it hurts Judy slightly. And then it impacts Sutton, it impacts Patrick as well. That was a late round two pick on Mims. They traded up to get him. I did like you saw Warren Sharpe's tweet, I assume.

Oh no, I didn't. Four times Sean Payton has drafted a wide receiver in the first two rounds. This could be trivia, too, but we wouldn't get him. Robert Meacham, Brandon Cooks, Michael Thomas, Marvin Mims. That's interesting. I don't know, but just look at the— I don't want people to jump to that conclusion

that a second-round wide receiver is necessarily a bad thing for the incumbent wide receivers. Look at the guys who were drafted in the second round last year. Christian Watson. I think it just depends on how good the guys are. I know, but we don't know how good they are. That's the thing about Mims. I don't think people think he's...

No, I meant the guys who are currently there. I'm not worried about Judy losing out, but I don't know if Cortland Sutton's good. Yeah, but I just don't... I don't think these guys are going to have a huge... Or if Sean Payton likes him at all. My point is, a round two wide receiver is not guaranteed to have a huge role.

Wando Robinson... Oh, he was going to have a monster role before he got hurt. I don't know about that. It was working... Did you see what he did before he got hurt? He wasn't doing that much. He had that one game against the Lions. He was one of three wide receivers who had a huge game against the Lions he did before he got hurt? He wasn't doing that much. He had that one game against the Lions.

He was one of three wide receivers who had a huge game against the Lions. And then he got hurt. Yeah, but he didn't do anything before that, really, barely.

Tyquan Thornton was around two picks. You're the one that preaches what these guys do in the second half of the season. You are presuming

that it was going to happen. I think it's a jump to conclusions based on one game against the Lions. Oh, that's a terrible take by you. No, I don't think so.

Tyquan Thornton was a round two pick. George Pickens was a round two pick. Alec Pierce, Sky Moore. That's it. I think George Pickens was bad for Chase Claypool. And Deontay Johnson. No, he wasn't bad for Deontay Johnson. Johnson had a million...

I don't think Pickens still was... Kenny Pickett was bad for Deontay Johnson, and Kenny Pickett was bad for Chase Claypool, and probably Chase Claypool was bad for Chase Claypool. Can you read off all the second-round wide receivers in the last few years who have been good also? I mean, sure, Christian Watson was pretty good. Let's go to 2021.

We had Elijah Moore. We had Ron Delmore did nothing. Dwayne Eskridge did nothing. Tutu Atwell did nothing. Terrace Marshall did nothing. I'm telling you, there are more nothings in round two than there are somethings. I'm serious. This is an important lesson.

Should we go one more year? It was in 2021 for sure. It was in 2022 as well. I didn't include John Mechie for obvious reasons. Alright, let's go to Howard D. came back after having A.J. Brown. They were okay. A.J. Brown

had a... I was D. Higgins. But, okay, Higgins was the first pick of round two. Oh, so now that... It does matter. It does matter. It absolutely matters. You're talking about 20 picks difference between him. No, you're talking almost 30 pick difference between him and Mims. This is kind of the same thing you did with Charbonnet. I think you're highlighting the fact that it doesn't necessarily mean that,

but that's not the same thing as saying it doesn't mean that. Oh, I didn't say it doesn't, but I'm telling you. Okay, fine. 2021 or 2020. T. Higgins. Michael Pittman. Bad rookie year. LaVisca Chenault,

KJ Hamler, Chase Claypool, Van Jefferson. His rookie year was good. It was fine. Denzel Mims, Chase Claypool. What was his rookie year?

His rookie year. He had like three good games. Touchdowns or something. He and Higgins are the only guys in the second round. I think there were six wide receivers in the second round. Pittman, nothing. Chenault second round. Pittman, nothing.

Chenault, nothing. Hamler, nothing. Who else? Van Jefferson, nothing. Denzel Mims, nothing. I'm telling you, man. There are more nothings than somethings in the second round. I'm telling you.

You know what? I'm right. I'm right about this. I want to see the 10-year research. As rookies. I'm talking about as rookies not career as i'm not saying mims is going to be good as a rookie i'm saying he's going to impact the receiving court that was the point i don't know that he will i think more i think there's more evidence that he won't that he won't impact the receiving court yeah yeah i don't understand you. Why? Well, I just,

I just gave you, because all he has to do is impact one of those guys that he's impacting the receiving court. But if he impacts, he just gave you an example from Warren Sharpe's tweet about what Sean Payne has done. Oh, come on. You know what?

Somebody in the chat said, this is a Dan level take. And I just want to know, does Dan have the reputation of having worse takes than you? Because I don't know how anybody would deal with that if that was true. Your Wondell Robinson take is amazing to me. No, you're wrong about Wondell Robinson.

You're going to be really bad. You're making a big assumption about Wondell Robinson based on the trick. But third-round pick, Jalen Hyland. I just don't understand how you... No, I don't think Jalen Hyland's going to be really good. I think he's good for Jones. He's a playmaker. They need a playmaker.

You of all people are the one who stands by this. That you... They build towards something in their rookie campaign. He did it against Detroit. And he was just starting to get on the field and getting opportunities. And you're assuming that he wasn't going to get on the field and getting opportunities, and you're assuming

that he wasn't going to have a big role when he chairs ACL? Okay, he wasn't going to, Wanda Robinson was not going to replace Jerry, Judy, and Cortland Sutton. He was going to take

Richie James off the field. That's my point. He didn't have the opportunity to play with Jerry, Judy, I understand that, but he wasn't, you were talking, in that game,

that game that you were, Wanda Robinson had 100 yards in that game. Didn't he have six targets in the half that he got hurt? No, he played three quarters. He had 13 targets. He went off in that game. Daniel Jones. No, the game he got hurt.

That was the game he got hurt. He tore his ACL that game. He had 13 targets in a game he played 70% of the snaps. Yeah, he had a great game. The game before that, he had two targets on 75% of the snaps. Yeah, he had a great game. The game before that, he had two targets on 75% of the snaps. Come on, guys. He had 35 yards in the two games before that.

Then he placed the Lions. But he had eight targets in the game before that. And he had four in the game before that. You're cherry-picking. You're azering right now. You're worse than me. I think it just illustrates how bad Daniel Jones is. This is what drives me crazy. In my mind, I am so right about everything right now.

And 90% of our audience is going to side with you guys because you make it seem like I'm saying something crazy. I have actually presented facts. You are just presenting conjecture. And somehow I'm going to come off as wrong. I don't understand how you disagree with that. I think you might be right. But I don't understand what your broader point is.

I still think I win the broader point. No, my broader point, the initial part of this conversation, the point was that Mims is going to impact the Broncos receiving core. You have a coach that just took over this team that traded up to get this guy.

And you're looking at it. And yes, Jerry Judy has a chance to still be a star that doesn't change, but he may get 10 less targets now because Mims is there. And he may get two touchdowns less because Mims is there. And so he's a slight loser. Corlin Sutton is a significant loser. Tim Patrick's a definite loser.

And so they all get brought down because there was somebody added to the mix. Dolchus gets brought down. I just don't understand how you can say that so confidently when I just gave you at least 10 examples over the last three seasons. Okay, but go back to the 10 examples and tell me that the receivers that those guys played with did not lose because they were part of a broader picture here of somebody being added to the mix. If you take somebody like LaVisca Chenault,

even if he hadn't been added to the mix, somebody was going to have those targets. You know, I mean, it's not like Denzel, it's not like Denzel Mims is, or sorry, not Denzel Mims, Marvin Mims is coming in and, you know, just taking nobody's targets. I mean, he's going to maybe take Hamler's targets or something like that. And I have illustrated time and time again also that if you're a very good receiver,

you are not affected by a rookie receiver coming in. Yeah. My question is whether Cortland Sutton's a very good receiver. Well, yeah. I mean, Judy, if Judy's as good as we hope he is, unless Marvin Mims just has a great year, maybe he's much better than I think he is. I think Marvin Mims is a deep threat. I think that's what he is right now.

I think he's a low target. Most likely, he is most likely just going to replace KJ Hamler. That's the most realistic situation. But if he is anything more than that, those other guys, the top three guys lose. Or they just have a much better offense.

Maybe Sutton loses. You know, fine. You know what? You're probably right, but I think what I've shown is that in their rookie years, they're usually not more than that. No matter how much we like them. If they're second-round picks,

especially if they're late second-round picks. What did K.J. Hamler have in total yards last year? I don't even know, but you know they were obviously terrible. We expect them to be better than they yards last year. I don't even know, but you know they were obviously terrible. We expect them to be better than they were last year. Maybe he hurts Greg Dolsic. Maybe they just put up a lot better stats and he hurts nobody.

Maybe. Hamler had seven catches for 165 yards in seven games. I can't believe we were talking about it. I think Marvin Mims might have a better season than that. Yeah, I think so. But Russell Wilson should have a better season. Oh, don't.

People, I think, were expecting me to be more excited about the Chiefs wide receiver than I was. And Marvin Mims is part of the reason that I wasn't because I didn't really like Rasheed Rice very much before. And they traded up to get him. And the Broncos used the Chiefs pick to pick Marvin Mims, who I did like a lot. But I think Jamie was 100% right that he's way more MVS than anything else in this offense.

He's aspiring to be MVS. But do you think this is Rasheed Rice on the Chiefs? Obviously he looks more like MVS than he does like Darius Toney or Sky Moore. He also has a very limited route tree like MVS. What if he's just a better player and commands more targets than MVS? I don't know. He's a second-round receiver. It's hard to trust those guys. I don't. I mean, I don't think he's going to have that big of an impact. Do you think, okay, should I downgrade Travis Kelsey because the Chiefs took Rasheed Rice?

Because by your logic, he's going to get big. No, there's tight end buckets and there's wide receiver buckets. And there's superstar buckets, and nobody on the Broncos has achieved superstar status yet. Right. And the Chiefs are pretty terrible at evaluating wide receivers from the evidence we've seen over the last few years. And I don't really, like I said it when I thought they might.

Tyreek Hill was pretty good. He was. He was. But as you can see, Jamie we're talking about the the vast majority we are good um no um but i also don't think that a receiver as a rookie it's fair to expect them to make a big impact in this offense yeah uh let's see 2019 maybe 2019 2019 was a great year oh no it wasn't really okay you had debo samuel he was the 36th pick overall he didn't have a great rookie year did he well that's not the bar we're talking about we're talking about did the receiver have the type of year that impacted the players on

the team no if you have 600 yards and you're replacing a guy who had 150 like K.J. Hamler, then you will take from the pie. He had 802 yards, and I think, how many did George Kittle have? George Kittle had 1,000 yards in 14 games, 1,053 yards. There's tight end buckets, Adam. Well, what am I supposed to do with that? Did he affect Emmanuel Sanders on his last legs? Maybe. Bad year for Emmanuel Sanders that year. Who else was drafted in the first round?

I bet at that time, in the second round, A.J. Brown was. Mecole Hardman was. Were we worried about Tyreek Hill at that point? We were very worried about Tyreek Hill at that point, but not because of his production. That was the potential suspension. Okay, but seriously, he's a superstar,

so this doesn't apply to him. J.J. Ortega Whiteside was a second-round pick. Paris Campbell was a second-round pick. Andy Isabella was a second-round pick. Are you going to read every second-round pick from the last 10 years? I think I've made my point. Let's talk about two more running backs here. I'm going to get so much...

You still have the stupidest point with the Wanda. No, you are taking one game and assuming too much from it. It was two out of four. Remember how many times we got excited about wandale robinson on the waiver wire last year and then what he would get twice the following game no more than that i mean he only had maybe two good games maybe twice we've gotten excited other than the fact that we're required to talk about the giants every podcast that's a good question all right uh talk to me about kendra mill, Saints, Devon A. Chain, Dolphins.

Jamie, give me the best case scenario for these guys. Alvin Kamara suspended for six plus games and the Saints decide that Jamal Williams is not going to get the Alvin Kamara role in the passing game and maybe not get the carries that he is vacating as well. And then Miller comes in and has just an unbelievable opportunity there behind an offense. I think that will be a little bit better than people expect, especially if Michael Thomas is healthy, knowing that Chris Olave, Thomas, and Rasheed Shaheen are a pretty good receiving core. And, you know, maybe Derek Carr is a little bit better in that situation. But I think for the Dolphins situation, you know, again, you have two injury-prone running backs that could easily fall off and get replaced in a second.

And this is a team that clearly values speed above everything else, understandably so. And he's one of the fastest players coming in the league. I'm afraid that Kendre Miller is just a young man's jamal williams um i'm not sure he's going to have a huge role in the passing game and i'm not sure he's going to to be super explosive but i do see an upside of a chain could just be a top 24 running back um i think that the upside's really high for him if he can just displace raheem mostard and jeff wilson which really should not be that difficult at their age and stage of their career. What do you guys think about Jaden Reed? Because we've spent time on Mingo and we spent time on Rasheed Rice and Reed was right in between them.

He's the sixth wide receiver drafted in this class and 5'11", 187 pounds out of Michigan State, ran a 4'4", 5'40", has some return experience. He goes to the Green Bay Packers. What do we think about Jaden Reed, and would you rather have Reed or Romeo Dobbs in a Dynasty League? Dobbs, but I think it's a situation with Monterey. Look, they're hitting the reset button. It's pretty clear. You move on from Rodgers, and you've got to see what Jordan Love has,

but you've got to give Jordan Love weapons. And so this receiving core was terrible and still might be terrible. You know what I mean? Christian Watson, who knows how good he will be now that he is the guy coming into the year and all the expectations of what that role means. Dobbs was very good early on last season and then dealt with the injury and Watson's, you know, development and never really got back to that. But again, LeFleur was just so glowing about him at the owners' meetings.

And now you have a rookie coming in to hopefully be that third guy, but it's still very, very much of a project in my opinion. So I don't want to say he's better than the two guys that are there, no. No, I thought this was a win for Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs. If this is the best competition they add to the Packers receiving core for the offseason, then I probably need to move both those guys up a little bit from where I had them. Kent brings up a good point.

He says, you guys are also forgetting that this is a week-wide receiver class. You should keep that in mind, I guess. Yeah, sure. And Kent actually is on fire today. He says, guys, the stats don't lie. Adam is right. And then he says, he's not even Azar statting this time. At least he spelled your name right.

He did not spell my name right. That's the only thing he got wrong in this. All right, everybody. Thank you very much. Oh, wait. Very interesting tight end prospect. Heath, give me 10 seconds, your thoughts on Darnell Washington.

6'7", 264 pounds. Second largest hands for a tight end in NFL combine history. Very limited production, but a lot of upside. He goes to Pittsburgh. 93rd overall, Darnell Washington. Ten seconds.

Darnell Washington is going to help Najee Harris. He's a really good blocker. He's not going to have any redraft value. He's a long-term project in terms of dynasty value. Oh, man, that's good. Somebody told me that he said that he, I'm assuming met with the media, that he might be moving to tackle. They said that if he had agreed to do that and worked on it,

that he would have gone earlier. But he called himself a sixth offensive lineman. Okay. He ran a 4-6-4 at 6'7", 264. Probably, I think I heard Rick Spielman talking about this. I feel like he was talking about him. He probably is heavier than that. A lot of guys lose weight for the combine.

But yeah, I mean, he may end up, Darnell Washington may very well end up being a tackle. I think he could help their run blocking. Cool, yeah, that'd be great. And they took a tackle in the first round for the first time since 1996 yeah i i think maybe that's something we have overlooked a little bit is not jairus could be a winner better blocking in front of him now do you guys i know you didn't read my mock draft do you know what what movie won best picture the last time the

steelers drafted an offensive tackle in the first round. What year was it? 1996. Best picture? Titanic? I don't know what Titanic is, but it was not Titanic. It was not Titanic. That would have been my guess. That was my original guess.

A bunch of guys riding around on horses, their faces painted. Dance of the Wolves? Braveheart. My favorite movie, actually. And with that, that's some animation trivia for you. Thanks for watching and listening, everybody. Have a great night. We'll talk to you tomorrow with Dave Richard and Chris Trapasso.

Your Wanda Robinson take is titantic. A great way to close the show. He insults both of us at the buzzer. See you later, everybody.