Fantasy Football Today - NFL Draft Round 1 Winners and Losers! (04/24 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 24, 2020

Well, the top three WRs didn't end up where we hoped they would, but the next two certainly went to desirable destinations. Plus, Dak Prescott and Carson Wentz have better Fantasy outlooks after Round 1. We react to the first day of the NFL Draft as we give quick Fantasy takes on the QBs (3:05), RB (6:15) and WRs (8:55) selected. Are we excited about any of the WRs? Why did the Chiefs take Clyde Edwards-Helaire!? ... Some rookie Fantasy trends from the last five seasons (21:05), and then we get to our Winners (22:55) and Losers (30:38) from Round 1. Why are Deebo Samuel and Darren Waller actually winners tonight? Is Aaron Rodgers a loser? Is Amari Cooper a loser? ... Some final thoughts on the first day (39:30) specifically with the 49ers and what the addition of Brandon Aiyuk means for Jimmy Garoppolo ... Email us at [e-mail] and tweet us with #AskFFT Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here we go! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Let's go! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. All right, it is 1230 in the morning, and we are recapping the first round of the NFL Draft.

I hope you didn't skip the last pick because it was quite a doozy. Clyde Edwards-Elair, the only running back selected. He goes to the Chiefs. 32nd overall. We did not see that one coming. Now, in terms of the wide receivers, the top three, maybe we didn't go to the best spots. Then after that, it got a little bit better with Philadelphia taking Jalen Rager

and Minnesota taking Justin Jefferson. We'll talk about that. But round one was interesting. Yeah, actually, no, it wasn't really that interesting. Welcome to the show. I'm Adam Azar. I got Heath Cummings and Jamie Eisenberg here. Heath, what's your reaction to round one?

It was weird. There were so many spots that we were excited about the wide receivers and then all the guys, and it may be just a personal thing. I'm sure there are people out there who their favorite wide receivers went to the spots that were open for targets. But for me, like the best wide receivers went to really weird spots. And then the guys that filled those spots I wasn't excited about. And then the running back happened.

The running back certainly did happen. Jamie, your reaction to round one? There were a lot of teams that got better for reality purposes by getting some pretty talented players. This was a crappy night for fantasy when it comes to wide receivers and the first running back off the board. It was a good night for quarterbacks, though, right? I mean, look, chalk happened. Burrow, we knew. No, I'm sorry. I meant night for quarterbacks, though, right? I mean, look, chalk happened.

Burrow, we knew. Tua was something that... No, I'm sorry. I meant the veteran quarterbacks. Yeah. Well, yeah. Obviously, you know, Dak Prescott, I think it's pretty easy to say is the third quarterback

or will be ranked as the third quarterback for many people. I don't want to speak for anybody else, but he will be for me. Drew Locke got better with the addition of Jerry Judy. It's a good thing for Kirk Cousins. It's a good thing for Carson Wentz to get a receiver.

I think there was one veteran quarterback that's probably pretty ticked off right now. His name is Aaron Rodgers. But yeah, the quarter, I mean, anytime you're going to add, you know, this was a talented wide receiver class. And for the quarterbacks that got all of these guys on their team so far it was good but it just their destinations were

not the best for fantasy and i i don't want to say anything bad about brandon iuk but i think jimmy garoppolo is probably not very happy either because they had a chance with their first first round pick to take basically any of the wide receivers they wanted right they could have had all the all but rugs and they chose a defensive tackle. But they stuck to their philosophy, though. Yeah, it is. But man, I would have felt a lot better if we could have got Lamb in San Francisco instead of in Dallas. Yeah, they needed, obviously, to replace DeForest Buckner. So that's what the San Francisco 49ers

did with their first pick. Let's take a look. All right. So here's what I'm going to, I'm going to list all of the quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers taken and just give them, we'll do winners and losers in a second,

but just for now, you know, give me a quick fantasy take on each guy. Let's start with Joe Burrow. Number one to Cincinnati. It's what we expected. So I think it's a, it's a good spot for him. Um, you know,

Heath, I think, and I are on the same page that this off season potentially being shortened, uh, how much is going to hurt these rookies, but you know, he's been apparently already in contact and working with Zach Taylor and the coaching staff there. So he has a shot to be a starting fantasy quarterback by the end of the season, depending on the match. Heath, give me Tua Tagovailoa to the Dolphins at number five. I think it's very similar. Like he's probably not going to start week one, I would guess. And Burrow probably is.

So that might be a difference. But you're not starting Burrow at the beginning of the year. So that difference doesn't really matter. I do think Tua by the end of the year, assuming that he's healthy for the start of camp, I think Tua could be a starting fantasy quarterback by the end of the year too. I'm pretty excited about him.

Justin Herbert to the Chargers at six, Jamie. Again, similar situation. He gets great weapons. Will he beat out Tyrod Taylor at the start of the season? Will he beat him out like what happened to Tyrod in Cleveland by week three? I think by the end of the year, we'll have a Daniel Jones, Gardner, Minshew potential of matchup right could be good. This defense is going to be great for the Chargers,

so I don't know how much he'll be throwing to catch up and chase points, which will not necessarily help his fantasy stock. Well, that's what I wrote there. I think that's the one difference between him and Mayfield is the Chargers team around Tyrod Taylor is so good. If they stay in the playoff race, it might take a little bit longer before Justin Herbert gets to start. Okay. And finally, Jordan love to green Bay, you know, from a dynasty perspective.

What do you think about Jordan Love going to the Packers 26th overall? I'm still more, this is probably wrong. I'm still more excited about Jordan Love's upside than Justin Herbert's. Jamie, who would you take in Dynasty, Love or Herbert? Oh, Herbert. I mean, Love's not playing for three years. Yeah, unless they trade him. But that was an interesting one.

All right, running backs, there's only one taken. It was a dumb, dumb pick. Well, I'm sure that's what they said about Aaron Rodgers at the time, but it stinks for Aaron Rodgers. They don't have another pick until late in the second round. Of course, they could trade up, but we'll see what wide receivers are available. We certainly wanted the Packers to take a wide receiver in round one, and it did not happen.

Denzel Mims was sitting right there. Yeah. Right there. And that was like I wanted the Yak Daddy, CeeDee Lamb to go to the Eagles. After that, the match that I thought would be made in heaven would be Denzel Mims going to the Packers. I thought that would be great, but what the heck do I know?

Clyde Edwards-Elair, 32nd overall to Kansas City. Who's the starting running back there? Look, this is 20 minutes after the pick just happened. Damian Williams. There's no doubt about it. Damian Williamss should have been the mvp of the super bowl i i think it's likely jay damian williams but still the same thing and i think jamie said this before last year we've never seen damian williams make it through a season healthy they're gonna they're gonna play edwards hilaire plenty he is gonna be be anywhere from Darren Sproles to Maurice Jonestrom.

That's the range of spectrum for him because those are the profiles. He's a physical guy like MJD, catch the ball like Sproles. They can be creative with him. But, I mean, look, they were always going to share touches in this backfield. It would just be who was going to be the one sharing with Williams. So when we get to tomorrow's podcast and we find out that Swift is somewhere hopefully better, Taylor is somewhere hopefully better,

Dobbins is somewhere hopefully better, those guys should be better fantasy running backs than Edward Tiller. It's a great destination for him, but this just makes it messy for redraft leagues in 2020. I will say that Patrick Mahomes has just tweeted out the Shaq shimmy gif, and I have moved Clyde Edwards' layer up six spots because of it. Was he wearing his fanny pack when he did it? You know, the guy ran a 4.640.

For him to be the first running back off the board, that is just shocking to me. I am not going to doubt Andy Reid, but it's just shocking to me that he, as a force, that's slow. And I gave this stat a couple weeks ago when we talked about running backs. I'm not saying that a guy has to be all pro to be good in fantasy. That's obviously not the case. But over the past five years, this is from CBSSports.com, over the past five years, 14 running backs have been awarded all pro honors by at least one media

outlet. None of them ran for six seconds or slower during their 40 yard dash. And both Clyde Edwards, E-layer and Zach Moss ran for six or slower. So it's just, to me, you're talking dynasty. I know he's on Kansas city,

but that lack of speed means less, less like all pro upside. He could still be really good, but for what it's worth. I have another stat about him from Eric Edholm on Twitter. Clyde Edwards-Hilaire caught 15 more passes than Henry Ruggs and 12 more than Jalen Rager last year. Yeah, that's great. He had 55 catches.

That's an unbelievable number for a running back unbelievable um okay wide receivers is where it gets interesting so yeah a quick hit on these guys and we'll obviously break it down a little bit deeper but 12th overall henry rugs uh the third to alabama from alabama to the las vegasiders. Jamie, your thoughts? I think he's going to help Derek Carr. I think he's going to end up making a lot of plays. I think Derek Carr is going to be a little bit probably under,

overlooked with what he can do with Ruggs. This doesn't make Ruggs better by going to the Raiders. But we saw Tyrell Williams score four touchdowns in his first four games last year. We saw Hunter Renfro make plays at the end of the season last year. So I think he'll be okay. I just don't think this was the best spot for him. You know, Derek Carr's actually been top 12 in passing yards

each of the last two seasons. The Raiders had a surprisingly efficient and effective passing game last year. They were like seventh in yards per attempt, something like that. Yeah, seventh in yards per attempt. They got some pretty good weapons. Carr's interesting, but still, he's nothing more than a 2QB league guy, right? Right, yes. And Ruggs is just a late-round pick in seasonal leagues. Okay. And rugs is just the late round pick in seasonally.

Okay. How about number 15, Jerry Judy to Denver and Michael Irvin said on the broadcast, 60% of his snaps were out of the slot, but obviously he can do both Jerry Judy route running extraordinaire to Denver Heath. Your thoughts. Awesome for drew lock. We're going to find out if drew lock can be a good quarterback in the NFL

because he has like not you can't say that he has the best weapons or like some of the best weapons, but maybe the most young, exciting weapons in the NFL with Sutton, with Judy, with Noah Fant. I mean, this core could grow into something that's consistently making wildcard games in the AFC West. Melvin Gordon too. I think there's a chance that Judy in 2021 becomes the number one wide receiver in this offense. I don't think he's probably going to take the job from Sutton this year. And there's so little competition for like the, the tertiary targets that I'm going to leave Sutton as a top 15, 18 wide receiver.

It's not like he just got Michael Gallup'd. And I did three Twitter polls. Who has a better fantasy football season in 2020? I did Judy versus Sutton, Lamb versus Gallup, and Ayuk versus Debo Samuel. And you want to guess the only rookie that won? It's Judy versus Sutton, Lamb versus Gallup, Ayuk versus Samuel. I don't know.

If you were going to pick one that was going to be better than the veteran, who would it be? Lamb. Heath? Yeah, I think Lamb's probably the one I have the closest to Gallup. Yeah, it was Lamb. He got 58% of the vote. Ayuk got only 15%.

Judy got 32%. I thought that one would be a little bit closer because I do think, well, I don't think. I mean, I feel pretty confident saying that Judy, a better prospect entering the NFL draft than Cortland Sutton was. But yeah, I mean, rookie wide receivers, they don't usually have massive years. So, yeah. The thing is, is like, you know, Sutton had a good season last year. He just does not profile as like a dominant number one guy.

Well, Heath seems to think more highly of him. Oh, I think he's a good player. I just don't think he's in the mold. I don't think it's like Calvin Ridley coming to the Falcons and he crushes Julio Jones because Julio Jones is an alpha dog. I don't think Cortland Sutton's a bad elk. I don't think Cortland Sutton is Julio Jones. I agree with that.

Okay, CD Lamb. I agree with that. Okay, CeeDee Lamb. CeeDee Lamb to Dallas. This is another team. You know, I mentioned the Eagles really needing yards after catch. Dallas, you know, they could use a little bit of that, too. Ezekiel Elliott was 25th in the NFL. Michael Gallup was 39th. Amari Cooper was outside the top 60.

So they get the yak, daddy. They get CeeDee Lamb. And, Jamie, you're up. What's your fantasy takeaway here? I absolutely hate this. I completely hate this. Lamb was my favorite receiver. He was among my favorite prospects.

And, you know, he's going to be in the mix for the second spot. I don't think he's going to overtake Amari Cooper in terms of the number one guy there. First off, you know, again, Dak Prescott gets a big boost. You know, I'll speak for all of us. Our prayers go out to his family.

You know, apparently his brother passed away tonight. This is a terrible situation overall on a day that he should be celebrating with the addition of CeeDee Lamb. But, you know, Lamb makes this team significantly better, but it hurts Cooper, it hurts Gallup, and it just makes it frustrating. Yeah. Randall Cobb, though, he actually had 828 yards and three touchdowns.

Witten had 529 and four. It's like, obviously, getting CeeDee Lamb is great for Prescott. I still just wonder if he could really have a better year. Now, 4,900 yards. I don't see him doing that again. He didn't even have 3,900 yards in any season before that. Maybe he has more touchdowns.

They changed coordinator. They changed everything. Yeah, but 4,900 yards. Like one season. Okay, so if he goes 4,500 and the touchdowns are three different, five different, are you upset about that? No, that's a huge, because he had 30 touchdowns.

I mean, that's still... You and I were texting about Russell Wilson versus Dak Prescott, and Prescott had 800 more passing yards than Russell Wilson. I'm sorry to keep cutting you off, Heath, but think about what happened to, and this is by no mean making the comparison to these two guys. What happened when Tom Brady in 2007

finally got Wes Welker and Randy Moss and got weapons around him? He became a statistical monster, right? Yeah. And so you could see that. But he had had much better seasons than Dak Prescott had ever had before that. Not prior to that necessarily.

I bet he had more than 4,000 passing yards. Dak had never done that. Remember though at the time, 4,000, I'm sure he did. Without looking, I'm sure he did. And he was better. Again, he's clearly better than Dak Prescott. But at some point, you know, guys, just something clicks

and things are different. You know, for him, it could have been the contract year. It could have been the change in coordinator. It could have been just him maturing. A lot of things could factor into play. And now he's got another big playmaker. Yeah, it's great. Who can make yards after the catch.

He's a star. Yeah, he doesn't need to throw for 4,900 yards and 30 touchdowns to be the number three quarterback. No, I still, I just, if they tell me that Russell Wilson is going to throw the ball more, yeah, that's going to just be tough between the two of them.

Like, yeah, I just. I don't disagree. Dak Prescott's obviously a winner because it makes his floor higher. And he also threw the ball more. And they ran more plays, I'm pretty sure. They picked up the pace of their offense. Jamie has to hop off for just a bit to do an HQ hit. Heath and I will keep it going here. Jalen Rager to Philadelphia.

Justin Jefferson to Minnesota. Brandon Ayuk to San Francisco. Right now, your initial reaction, how are you ranking Jalen Rager to Philadelphia, Justin Jefferson to Minnesota, Brandon Ayuk to San Francisco. Right now, your initial reaction, how are you ranking Jalen Rager to Philadelphia, Justin Jefferson to Minnesota, Brandon Ayuk to San Francisco? This is probably the point where we wish we had Dave because I know Dave was the Jalen Rager guy before, and I certainly was not.

So just to make that clear, I've got Jefferson just ahead of Rager and well ahead of Brandon Ayuk. I think there is a chance for, it's going to be interesting specifically with Jefferson because we talked about how in 2018, he played outside a lot. In 2019, like 99% of his snaps came from the slot.

Adam Thielen's been the slot guy while Stephon Diggs has drawn the tough outside coverage. I don't know what they're going to do with those two when it comes to 2020, but that will... Like, there's enough targets for Jefferson to be a number three wide receiver in the offense if he's as good as i think he is and i think he's very good i don't know what to make of the target opportunity in philadelphia i mean we've got deshaun jackson and alshon jeffrey who have been

so hurt but are owed so much money they may not be getting cut. And I don't feel confident that Jalen Rager as a rookie is definitively better than JJ Ortega Whiteside, who was just absolutely terrible last year. I hope he's better. And he's another guy, Rager, that's good after the catch. That's why I wanted the Eagles to get Jerry to get CeeDee Lamb. They got Rager, who's, you know, that he was the next wide receiver off the board. 21st overall, four picks after CeeDee Lamb. 4'4", 7'40", he's not a blazer, but he returns punts. And short guy, 5'10". But, yeah, you know, again, I think it's better for Carson Wentz.

I'm excited for Carson Wentz to have a playmaker at wide receiver because their wide receivers are just, well, I mean, Deshaun Jackson's got speed, but Jeffrey is just, you know, he's a possession guy. He's not going to make big plays. I think Rager could definitely make some plays if he's on the field with Al Sean

and Deshaun Jackson. I don't think Jalen Rager's getting off the line if he's trying to be the number one wide receiver. Maybe not. And there were no tight ends taken in round one. There were a bunch of offensive linemen. The Giants took Andrew Thomas fourth overall.

Apparently no good trade offers for either the Lions or the Giants at three or four. I thought it was interesting that the Dolphins were able to just sit at five and take two at Tonga Bailoa. I really felt confident they were going to take two of them, but I thought they might have to trade up to do it. Jedrick Wills to Cleveland at 10. Mekhi Becton to the Jets at 11.

Tristan Wirfs to Tampa Bay. They traded up one spot with the Niners to get him. Miami took Austin Jackson out of USC 18th. The Saints took a center that maybe could play guard, 24th overall, Cesar Ruiz. And the Titans took a guard, Isaiah Wilson, out of Georgia. Georgia with two offensive linemen taken in the first round, Thomas at four and Wilson at 29.

And it does take a while for offensive linemen to really pay off, it seems, just based on recent history. But should be some good one in this class. We got some winners and losers to get to. Let me promote a few things. First of all, we're going to come at you every night after each of these rounds, and we'll have, I think we're looking at five shows next week.

So we're going to really give you a lot of NFL draft content. We've got our biggest winner of the night is Jordan Krasner from Maryland. He got eight picks right in the top ten in our Facebook contest and our Podcast League contest. Jordan, you are in the Podcast League. Congratulations. What?

This is the doing of Ben Schrager, right? Yeah. I was going to say, because every year in the past when we've done this contest, the following Monday, you've requested that people email you if they got a certain number right because you weren't going to look through all of them right so i think we should give a little credit to ben trager for actually keeping track and knowing who won i told them facebook was a bad idea like it's gonna you do it through email and then you tell everyone to forward you their original email. And he was like, nope, I'll do it.

And he said it only took him like a half hour. It took me like four days when I used to go through all the emails. But he did it all. Adam, that's not super surprising. No, Ben is so dedicated. And we got more eyeballs on the Facebook page. So hopefully that's paying off because we had some good conversations in there tonight. And thanks to everyone.

How many entries did we have? 350 entries. Awesome. 350 entries. And the big winner is Jordan Krasner. Congratulations. Another big winner for me, Heath, was Jennifer Hudson's rendition of Lean On Me just before the draft started.

You see that? No. Oh, it was really awesome. Shraggy B, you see that? Yeah, it was good. It was great. Very beautiful, beautiful thing. I want to give some rookie trends over the last five seasons now.

We've had one rookie quarterback do well five straight seasons. Not necessarily from start to finish, but Jameis Winston, Dak Prescott, Deshaun Watson, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray. They were all, at worst, top 16. During one point or another of the season? No, they finished top 16. Oh, okay. Because Watson only played like eight games.

You know what? He was the one that was. I'm sorry. But he was second in fantasy points. Oh, no, he was first in fantasy points per game. The others. Winston was 14th. Dak was 9th.

Mayfield was 16th. And Kyler Murray was 10th. Let's see. We have had at least two rookie running backs finish top 15 five straight years. And before last year, it was at least two rookie running backs finished top 12, four straight seasons. Now this is in non-PPR. A little bit worse, I think, in PPR.

But last year, Miles Sanders and Josh Jacobs, they were just outside the top 12, but they were top 15. We have had only two top 12 rookie wide receivers in the last five seasons in non-PPR. Michael Thomas and A.J. Brown.

Brown was actually 10th in non-PPR, 21st in PPR. We have had a top 21 wide receiver as a rookie four straight seasons. Michael Thomas, Juju Smith-Schuster, Calvin Ridley, A.J. Brown. But again, it's tough to find rookie wide receivers that finish as number two guys. And then the tight ends, whatever. There's only been one tight end that's finished top ten in the last five years, and that was Evan Ingram. So let's get to winners and losers.

Heath, who are your biggest winners? Well, that's a good question, Adam. I sent you my biggest winners, Dak Prescott, but Ben Gretsch had sent better winners. Okay. Let's do Ben's then that I didn't want to answer because I thought he was going to be on the show.

I think that, uh, Debo Samuel was a good answer as a winner. I didn't get that. In fact, it was funny. I wanted Ben to be able to explain it because he said Debo and Darren Waller were his winners, and both the 49ers and the Raiders took a wide receiver in the first round. But both the 49ers and the Raiders had a chance to take Jerry Judy and CeeDee Lamb,

who are, in our opinion, Ben and I's opinion, alpha number one type wide receiver prospects. Guys that could potentially get 120 plus targets in a season and really ruin guys like Debo Samuel and Darren Waller. I think IU could help Jimmy Garoppolo and help the 49ers win some games by catching a few, like a la Marquise Goodwin, and have a few games where he just catches long passes. But I don't think he's really cutting into Debo Samuel's target share very much.

As for Waller, the Ruggs thing for me, Jamie answered that when you asked, but it was more of a typical Raiders, Al Davis type pick. Yeah. But they didn't go get the number one wide receiver that they needed. They went and got a speed gadget guy. Well, but I don't think people consider him to be a speed gadget guy. I mean, if you look at the fact that he runs a 4-2-7 and had 11 plays,

receptions that traveled more than 20 yards downfield, he doesn't do that many big play-type things. It's just that he's really – and this could prove wrong. Maybe Derek Carr will start winging the ball downfield or rugs will make a ton of plays after the catch and they'll use them as a slash type player but i think like i don't i wouldn't have put waller of one of my bigger winners but it could have gone a lot worse for him if they would have drafted one of the two um alpha type wide receivers do you know how much he played in the slot?

Ruggs? Yeah. I don't know the percentage, no. Because I would have preferred them to take just a guy that's going to mostly stay on the outside for Waller's purposes, you know, because Waller was more hurt by, say, Hunter Renfro than he was by Tyrell Williams.

I would guess that Ruggs, and this might be wrong, but I would guess that Ruggs is going to mostly play on the outside. Yeah, he doesn't have a lot of size, but, you know, he gets the Sean Jackson comparisons, and he's, yeah, hella fast. Waller, you know, I'm thinking about this. You got the whole Hunter Renfro thing. When Renfro started to get more involved in the offense,

Waller struggled a little bit, and then Renfro missed three games late in the year, and Waller just had these huge, huge games. Weeks 13 through 15, he had 294 yards in those three games. But if you look, I went back six years. If you look at the tight ends who have had 1,000 yards, here are the names. Rob Gronkowski, multiple times.

Greg Olson, multiple times. Travis Kelsey, multiple times. George Kittle, multiple times. Zach Ertz, once. So you've got Gronk, Olson, Kelsey, Kittle, Ertz, Darren Waller, and then you have Gary Barnage and Delaney Walker. They were four-ish years older, and they did not keep it up the next year.

They were just kind of one-year wonders in a sense, in terms of 1,000 yards. But that's really good company. So, yeah, I mean, what do you make of that i mean just the not historic season but it's impressive what he did yes the only thing that would make me worry about darren waller is if his situation quarterback changed or if they actually went and got a number one wide receiver and i don't think they did that did that. I did take his target share down just a little bit because I wasn't projecting the Raiders with a new wide receiver.

So he may not be a top three guy this year, but I think he's top six pretty comfortably. All right, so Debo, Waller. Waller was not my answer. Debo was definitely not my answer. I don't think it's particularly close. Dak Prescott is the number three quarterback. And then the last one I had just for fun was Gardner Minshew

because like an hour and a half before, or half an hour before we go on air for our fantasy football show, the news breaks that Jacksonville is trying to trade up to number three to take Tua. And everyone really enjoyed that on the fantasy football pregame show at my expense. And Gardner Menchu is still a starting quarterback. Yeah, Tyrod Taylor is not, though. So at least I get to... Well, no, he is for now.

Yeah, he's definitely starting week one. You know what's annoying, though, about Tua going to the Dolphins and Herbert going to the Chargers is that you've now got two situations in two quarterback leagues where it kind of sucks, right? Because you probably won't have anybody for a full season. Yeah, I'm going to be be really interested the to a situation um i i'm of the opinion that if the dolphins are able to start training camp on the day they normally would which is mid to late july and if tua is a full participant on the first day of training camp,

that he's going to start with one. I'm so happy he's on the Dolphins. I'm just, I really want it for all my Dolphins, Dolphins fan friends that I grew up with. They needed this. Thank you. I hope it works out. I suspect it will. Good stuff. I have Carson Wentz and Drew Locke as winners. And you know,, look, Derek Carr is a winner, but Locke obviously has more upside than Derek Carr. Derek Carr's never thrown for 4,100 yards. We don't know what Drew Locke can be. What's your interest in Drew Locke as a late-round flyer?

I think he went from, like, I agree with you completely on Drew Locke. I think today he, Drew Locke is someone you can draft as a second quarterback in a one-quarterback league and have some hope that he has upside beyond that. All right, Jamie, who are your winners? Really? That's exactly my answer. I think, look, Dak Prescott's the biggest winner. Drew Locke is a big winner. I think that Jalen Rager's a winner because of the situation he steps into.

Same thing with Justin Jefferson. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they're great fantasy options. Okay, let's go to the losers then. Jamie, who are your losers? Everyone? I mean, Amari Cooper and Michael Gallup are losers. Cortland Sutton's a loser. Well, let's talk about that with Gallup and Cooper.

So, Cooper specifically. Gallup, by the way, I've mentioned this before, he averaged more targets per game than Amari Cooper. He had like six fewer targets and he played two fewer games. So, yeah, what do you think? per game than Amari Cooper. He had like six fewer targets and he played two fewer games. So yeah. What do you think? You think Cooper's negatively affected by a CD lamb being in Dallas? I do.

I think, you know, you could make a strong case that Cooper's a back end of the second round pick before tonight. And now I think, you know, he goes probably toward the back end of the third round. Like I'm taking Kenny Galladay over him.

I'm taking Juju over him. I'm taking, uh, in PPR, probably Keenanay over him. I'm taking Juju over him. I'm taking, uh, in PPR, probably Keenan Allen over him. Um, you know, I'm just trying to think like off the top of my head with,

with how I have it ranked, uh, Cooper cup, Robert Woods and PPR, Allen Robinson. Really Keenan Allen, huh? Yeah.

I'm trying to think. Maybe not now, but, but certainly the other guys. I'm trying to think. Maybe not Allen, but certainly the other guys. I'm trying to think about high-profile wide receivers. We weren't downgrading A.J. Green when they drafted John Ross in the top 10. There's three guys there now. Plus, I think Jarwin's going to put up similar numbers to Jason Witten. Can I give you an Andy Reid quote? Sorry.

I'm just doing Clyde Edwards-Elair things while you guys are talking about Jason Witten. Yeah. Chiefs General Manager Brett Veach told Andy Reid that he watched Elair's game film and thought of Brian Westbrook. Reid said he's better than Brian. Okay. You just wonder, though,

are they going to throw him in right away to be the lead guy? I wouldn't think so. I wouldn't think so. But he might be that by midseason. I would say that he is probably the best rookie coming out of today. Clyde Edwards, you there? Jamie, do you think that... The more I think about it, I think he's the best one.

Do you think that CeeDee Lamb is going to have a better stat line than Randall Cobb? 55 catches, 828 yards, three touchdowns. Yes. Heath? Give me the numbers again. 55 catches, 828 yards, three touchdowns on 83 targets. Yeah.

Okay. So any other big losers? So Damian Williams, is he a top 50 pick? No. Is he a top 60 pick? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. No, no, no, no.

If you're drafting today, we don't know what happens in round two. If you're drafting before round two and three of the NFL draft, are you taking Ronald Jones or Damian Williams? Ronald Jones. Rojo. Okay. All right. All right. Who did I have as losers?

Oh, Aaron Rodgers is a loser. And Blake Jarwin is a loser. I don't think Rodgers is a loser yet. I think Jarwin's a very good answer. Blake, Aaron Rodgers is a day one loser. Okay. They draft someone that we're excited about in rounds two or three. Then fine.

But they just drafted a freaking quarterback. I think he's I think he's the same. Well, I expected them to take him. Where we thought of him, he's the same. You know who might be a loser is Noah Fant. Oh, of course. I'm not so sure why, though.

Why can't a team add a wide receiver and still have the tight end? Especially since tight end is such a touchdown dependent position that you don't need the yards and the targets necessarily. You probably just need red zone targets. Why can't a team be such a conservative offense though? Well, maybe,

maybe, but, and what are they going to do when they get in the red zone? It's not going to be like, they're going to just forget about Melvin Gordon and Phillip Lindsay. No, but I mean, no offense got some serious talent.

I don't think Noah Fant is a loser in the sense of you can't draft him as a starter, but you don't add a player of Jerry Judy's caliber and say Noah Fant's a winner. No, I wouldn't say he's a winner. Like the way I have it ranked right now, I think I have Fant. Like I was back and forth on Fant, John Newsmith, and Hayden Hurst. Those three guys

I think all have breakout potential before today. I'm going to put Fant behind those guys. Behind John Newsmith and Hayden Hurst? Yeah. How about Blake Jarwin or Noah Fant? No comparison. Noah Fant's in a much better situation.

Jarwin's off the radar right now, right? Yes. Yeah. I'm just trying to think back in the history of player... I've made this point before that great players... I used to think they were more or less

unaffected by additions on offense. Didn't really matter what happened with Julio Jones. He was still going to get his numbers. Didn't really matter that Odell Beckham, they draft Sterling Shepard. They draft Evan Ingram. Didn't make a difference. He was still putting up his numbers. Didn't really work that way for DeAndre Hopkins, though.

Antonio Brown was another guy. Hold on. I'm almost done with my point. Antonio Brown, there was one year where Martavis Bryant was going to come back and hopefully play 16 games and break out. Le'Veon Bell was going to be healthy. But who were you putting in the caliber of those guys, though? Because those are the best of the best. I'm trying to get to my point here.

I wasn't done making my point. Okay, sorry. But we saw last year with DeAndre Hopkins that sometimes – you know who I'm putting there? It's Amari Cooper, by the way. But we saw with DeAndre Hopkins that that theory did not work because having Will Fuller and Kenny Stills,

that did affect his target share. And, you know, he didn't have as good of a year. But I think Amari Cooper should not be affected by CeeDee Lamb. Okay, so right now, you're at pick 22 in round two. You have two chances to get amari

cooper at the back end of round two and the beginning of round three when cooper cup kenny galladay juju smith schuster i know you like odell beckham i don't know if you like him there um alan robinson robert woods that whole group of guys. Yeah. And maybe leaving somebody out. For Heath, it's Cortland Sutton too. Well, I think... Are you taking Cooper still there ahead of those guys? I think Adam Thielen would be in that group too. I'd take Thielen ahead of him.

Oh, for me, Thielen's easy. Mike Evans too. I'd take Evans over. But Adam Thielen's not affected by Jalen Rager. No. Not to the same level. Right. There was going to be somebody to step into that role. I said by Justin Jefferson, not Jalen Rager. No. Not to the same level. Right. There was going to be

somebody to step into that role. I'm sorry. I said by Justin Jefferson, not Jalen Rager. I'm taking him fourth in that group. I'm taking him behind Thielen, behind Juju, behind Galladay. I don't remember everybody else. I'd still take him over

Cup and Woods, I'm pretty sure. You would take him over Cup and Woods, I'm pretty sure. You would take him over Cup and Woods? I'll take Cup over him, but him over Woods. Galladay, it just depends. For me, at least, there's a huge difference where I have Galladay and non-PPR and PPR. In non-PPR, I'd take

Galladay over Cooper pretty easily. In PPR, it might still be... Even with the addition, it might still be Cooper over Galladay. I don't think it's going to happen, honestly. I probably shouldn't even say this, but I wouldn't be overly shocked if

CeeDee Lamb starts to be better than Amari Cooper. I'd be pretty surprised if that happened this year, but you're right. It's not good for Amari Cooper. One other thing that actually has cooled me on Amari Cooper was the addition of Darius Slay and James Bradbury to the NFC East because Amari Cooper, one of my arguments for him,

was that he faced basically every elite cornerback in football last year, and he struggled against basically all of them. He's bad on the road. Yeah, he had some good road games last year but that hasn't been that hasn't been his strength for sure but he faced stefan gilmore he faced tradavious white he's faced latimore he faced jalen ramsey uh he faced darius slay and he didn't do well against darius slay and it looked you know you don't have to face those guys because none of them were in the division well now bradbury's solid and slay

is really good so that cooled me a little bit on Cooper. I thought he had a bad offseason in something that was completely out of his control. You know, but I've always, I guess, been a little higher on Cooper. But I'm going to stop stealing the thoughts from you guys here. If there are any other losers you want to get to,

let me know. Otherwise, we can move on. Great. We'll move on. Okay. Otherwise, we can move on. Great, we'll move on. Okay, I know we might actually be done here. No tight ends to talk about. What else, Heath? No, I just... We're moving on to Adam's close.

Let's talk about the 49ers. What's the biggest impact of the Niners drafting Brandon Iuke 25th overall I don't know like short term I don't think it's a huge I think it's good for Debo I said that effect on Kittle? No. Who's the biggest quarterback winner after Dak Prescott? Because Garoppolo has been remarkably efficient. Maybe this gets him to throw a little bit more.

What do you think? Gardner Mitchell. No, he didn't gain any value. If I don't get credit for saying Aaron Rodgers is a loser because he's exactly where he was. Adam, you don't know how traumatic things were for me like six or seven hours ago when everyone was giggling over the idea of Jacksonville

trading up for the number three pick. Maybe they'll take a quarterback with their next pick. You're not in the clear yet, you know. No, Jameis Winston could still sign there. Are you optimistic about Jimmy Garoppolo? Does he have late-round sleeper appeal?

Yeah. Gardner Minshew or Jimmy Garoppolo? Minshew. Jamie left, by the way, to do more HQ. Gardner Minshew or Noah? I was legitimately way, to do more HQ. Gardner, Minshew, or... I was legitimately feeling like I was hogging all the questions and waiting for Jamie to answer some of those questions, and that's why there was this pause there, so I apologize.

That's okay. Gardner, Minshew, or... Who did I ask you? Did you say Garoppolo? How about Baker Mayfield? Gardner, Minshew. Yeah, you're so crazy. You're just...

I love it. I love it, man. I love it. All right, Heath, I think we're done. You wanted to be done by 1 o'clock? It's 1.15. It was very close. Not bad at all, Adam.

And I really enjoyed the time that we got to just talk to each other. Me too. We started with four of us. Dave's microphone wasn't working properly uh that was you know what we did mostly my fault what like you were at pick 75 in your draft and you're choosing your third running back in a ppr draft are you taking damian williams or clyde edwards either Damian Williams Brian Westbrook I have Damian

Williams projected right now for 20 more fantasy points I do think he there probably has more upside I want to go back and look at Andy Reid's draft pick history he didn't draft he did not draft Jonathan Baldwin did he that was before he got oh it

was way before yeah I'm just trying to think of like Jonathan Baldwin, did he? That was before he got there. Oh, that was way before. Yeah, I'm just trying to think. Jonathan Baldwin's a wide receiver. I know, but I'm just trying to think. Did he have any first-round, just terrible first-round picks? You know? Because even Bill Belichick has had some terrible first-round picks. I'm sure he has. He's been an NFL head coach for like 30 years or something.

Yeah, yeah. I just am shocked. I'm shocked.'m shocked i mean because there's like people will ridicule dave gettleman for taking andrew thomas as the number one tackle when you know a lot of people had him like fourth but who's got the guts to ridicule andy reed for taking clyde edwards e-layer as the number one running back we'll you know we'll see i don't i want to clarify I don't think the Giants necessarily made a mistake taking Andrew Thomas.

No, no. I don't either. I think he's fine. Yeah, whatever. They worked out with Daniel Jones. Do what you gotta do. We haven't figured that out yet. He's better than Haskins, I'm pretty sure. Maybe not.

Haskins got some potential. I'm waffling tonight. It's 1, it's 1.15 in the morning. Yeah. I think we should go. It was, it was in a,

tomorrow is going to be a lot of fun. What time are you going to wake up tomorrow? I don't know. I'm just, I'm not going to set my alarm. I'm just going to go to bed and whenever I wake up, I wake up.

I couldn't even imagine what time that is for you. I'm thinking you can't sleep past 8.30. I would be shocked if I sleep. I will probably be taking an afternoon nap. I won't make it asleep until 8.30. I might just roll around a few times and not quite get up until 8.30,

but no, no way I sleep past 8.30. All right, Heath. Thank you for your time. Have a beautiful sleep, a good night, and I will talk to you tomorrow, and we will have some more of our fantasy friends with us tomorrow for the entire show. Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

We'll catch up after rounds two and three.