Fantasy Football Today - NFL Mock Draft Reaction with Ryan Wilson! (04/25 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 25, 2022

Enter our NFL Draft contest: https://forms.gle/wZRYEHAD9XuJexxH8 Follow Ryan Wilson's mock draft here: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-two-round-mock-draft-no-qbs-in-top-15-four-go-in-round-2-in-what-teams-should-do-mock/ Welcome to NFL Draft Week! We're bringing on Ryan Wilson and Dan Schneier to talk about Ryan's latest mock draft and react to the picks. First, should dynasty managers consider trading out of the 2022 rookie draft in order to get in on the 2023 rookie draft (3:00)? And Ryan will give you a little introduction to the elite wide receivers of this year's draft (6:35) as we will talk much more about them later on the show ... Ryan has three offensive tackles in his first six picks, but will they have any impact in Fantasy (11:10)? Of course Garrett Wilson to the Falcons at #8 overall (21:30) will have a Fantasy impact, as will Jameson Williams to the Jets and Drake London to the Commanders (24:40). If those three scenarios play out, who would be our favorite wide receiver in that group? ... The first quarterback comes off the board and it's Malik Willis to New Orleans (33:15). We give a scouting report on Willis before getting back to the wide receivers. Green Bay takes Treylon Burks and Kansas City takes Chris Olave (39:00)! Let's talk about these guys and what to make of Burks' disappointing 40 time. Then we'll spend the rest of the show talking more about wide receivers and tight ends (55:40) plus some movie reviews at the very end! ... Email us at [e-mail] Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck. It is the podcast that Dave Richard has been looking forward to. He just said that off the air. This is his favorite show. He can't wait. I can't wait either, Dave. I'm very excited.

Good morning, Dave Richard. What's up, Adam? Good morning, Dan Schneier. I was about to say what's up to everybody else on the show. I'll let you introduce them. I was about to. Since that's kind of your deal. Dan Schneier is here.

Dan Schneier, thank you for making me have the second sloppiest hair on the show. What? You and I probably should have worn a hat. You should have worn a hat. That's just not true. You think I'm worse? Thank you, man. Yes.

Not even close. Doesn't even look remotely in the same ballpark. I combed it. Par for the course with Adam. You combed that? Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of hair. I got to get it cut.

And Ryan Wilson is really our guest of honor here. He's our draft analyst for CBS Sports. He's done so... How many mock drafts do you think you've done? I can tell you exactly, Azar. I have done... I've done 34 as we sit here. 35 will come out Thursday morning because

as I tell everyone when I do radio spots, my boss is clearly habe. Ryan, you haven't done 35 since the combine. You've done 35 since last year. September, like week zero or whatever of the college football season. So late August, early September, once

a week, every week, like the Postman's Creed, I'm doing it no matter what. Well, we're really happy to have both Ryan and Dan here today. And we're going to go through Ryan's latest mock draft, number 34. And we're going to do the fantasy analysis of the offensive players. Mostly we'll, we'll talk about the draft in general, which is pretty fascinating. We still don't know who's going to be the number one pick.

So obviously we will discuss that and we'll talk not just about the know who's going to be the number one pick, so obviously we will discuss that, and we'll talk not just about the guys who are going to go in the first round, but sleepers at each position and just the strength of the running back class. I mean, we've got to talk about the running backs because none of them are in the first round mock for Ryan Wilson. Also want to mention that you can follow him on Twitter, at Ryan Wilson CBS. You can follow Dan Schneier at Dan Schneier,

S-C-H-N-E-I-E-R. There's a lot of vowels there. At Dan Schneier at Dan Schneier, S C H N E I E R is a lot of vowels there at Dan Schneier NFL on Twitter. And he also hosts the big blue banter podcast, which is a giants podcast. I've only listened to one episode. It was very good. And in that episode, Dan assured me that the giants new front office really like Kadarius, Tony,

and they were not going to trade him. So that was a few months. That was after the combine. So sorry about that, Dan, I guess. Honestly, that was a much better review than I ever thought I was going to get from you. I was very nervous upon hearing off-pod that you were going to review my podcast on the pod. You know what? We'll save that for the end.

I have more to say, but people want to hear more about the NFL draft. Now, I did want to bring up a slightly different subject than this year's draft, because I think for dynasty purposes, if you're thinking about making trades or trading your rookie picks this year, Ryan, when I look at the 2023 mock drafts, and they're going to change so much. They're going to change so much. But it seems like, for fantasy purposes, it seems a lot stronger, especially in a super flex league. But you've got Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud. You've got Jackson Smith and Ajigba, the wide receiver out of Ohio State, another one.

You've got Bijan Robinson, a running back who could be picked in the top 10. Do you think that if you're a fantasy manager and you don't, you know, maybe got a middle of the first round pick or a late first round pick, do you think it makes more sense to have a 2023 rookie pick than a 2022 rookie pick? If you're thinking quarterback, absolutely. Middle of the first round,

and obviously fantasy is different than real life, and I'm more grounded in real life. I'm not a fantasy guy. But I think unless you are convinced that one of these wide receivers will be there in this class, then yes. The short answer is yes. There will be five, six, maybe seven wide receivers go in the first round, seven feel sort of rich, but none of the quarterbacks do it for me.

None of the quarterbacks do it for me in terms of having even anything like what we saw from Mac Jones last year. Mac Jones was a case of perfect fit for the quarterback that he is. Everyone else pretty much stunk. This class, no matter who you pick. In fact, if Davis Mills were coming down this class, he'd be the first quarterback taken. That should give you some idea of how this class rates quarterback-wise. Wide receiver-wise, I think it's going to be really good through the first 10 or so picks of the actual draft draft but if you're looking for quarterback production this ain't the class for it okay yeah and and uh yeah it's just something to note because the first

two picks next year could easily be the two quarterbacks i mentioned young and stroud and there are some others um that especially a couple out of the sunshine uh that could be, you know, pretty exciting prospects. Dan, do you have anything to add to that or shall we? Yeah, I'd say one thing to consider on that front is, well, it's not the best draft from a top end talent standpoint. There's a lot of depth, especially at receiver and even a little bit at running back that I was going to go off the board in the second round. But more importantly, you got to think about landing spot. This is a draft where the Chiefs have two picks and the Packers have two picks and almost definitely it feels like the value and need are going to

match up where, where both of those teams are going to take a receiver at the end of the first round. And there you're going to end up getting a better fit for your dynasty team because one of them goes with Aaron Rogers. The other goes with Patrick Mahomes. If you've got guys at the top, like Kyle pits right now, great dynasty pick.

I love them in dynasty long-term, but he's matched up with Marcus Mariota now. And who knows when he's going to get a quarterback that's going to maximize his skill set. So the good news is at least, you know, you're going to probably get one of these two of these receivers to match up with Mahomes and Rogers for your dynasty teams. I think teams are going to tank for next year, especially the quarterback needed teams. I think Mariota is a one year stop gap for Atlanta. I think the Giants are going to tank because the quarterbacks are going to be really exciting next

year. We'll see what happens in that regard, but I think you might see teams like the Eagles. The Eagles traded one of their 2022 first-round picks for a 2023 first-round pick a few weeks ago. I wonder if we're going to see attempts on Thursday for teams to trade out of this year's draft and into next year's draft.

But, you know, we're going to talk a lot about wide receivers because that is a strength of the 2023 of 2022 rather. And there were only five, only five wide receivers for you in your first round mock Ryan. Yeah. So the, uh, the Vegas, I think Caesars is five and a half over under I sort of feel like the over is going to come in I just haven't so I'll go through the guys Garrett Wilson is my favorite Jameson Williamson would be my favorite

if he hadn't torn his ACL but he's still three for me Drake London is my second wide receiver and they're all certainly different it's funny Garrett Wilson I've compared to Odell Beckham in terms of athleticism. He actually compared himself to Deontay Johnson, which is sort of a good comp as well, and I could see that. Drake London played with Mike Pittman at USC.

They're similar type players. I think London's actually going to be a little better, and I like Pittman's game. We talked about Jameson Williams' head transfer from Ohio State to Alabama to get playing time, which is always a hysterical thing to say out loud, but he's probably the fastest wide receiver in this draft class. Traylon Burks I love. And Prisco will tell you, our buddy Pete Prisco will tell you,

well, teams are worried that he's going to get fat. Well, he's never gotten fat, number one, and he doesn't run away from people because he ran a 4-5-5 at the combine. And he always says that as they're playing the clips of him against SEC cornerbacks running into the end zone. So I compare him to Judas Mischuster, Debo Samuel. He's Anquan Bolden. Those are all great comps. He's probably a little slower version of

A.J. Brown. He's a fantastic player. He plays outside in the slot. You can line him up in the backfield. He runs a ton of inter-rounds. Chris Olave, Gary Wilson's teammate at Ohio State. He needs to get stronger, and that's just the truth. When you watch him play, he can sometimes get knocked off the ball, but he's a fantastic route runner.

He has great hands. So that's five guys there. And then after that, I think things get interesting. So George Pickens tore his ACL last March. Came back and played a few snaps last year for Georgia. And if he stayed healthy, he's a first-round guy. I've heard there's some off-field issues. I don't know what they are, so take that for what it's worth. That may see him slip a little bit in addition to lack of playing time because of the injury. Jahan Dotson is another guy. Penn State. He's built like KJ Hamler in terms of the size. He's sub 5'11", I think, maybe right around 5'11".

Absolutely flies. But I've talked to teams that think he's a second-round pick. Christian Watson's the other one that could be in the mix there. And North Dakota State kid, track guy from Florida, had to go to North Dakota State to play, and I've run heavy offense, played with Trey Lance. I think he's a really good football player. There's some sort of media pushback at this point, because

there always is as we get closer to the actual draft. But 4-3-8, I think is what he ran. He ran sub-4-4 at the combine. He plays incredibly fast. He's a big target. There's some concerns about his route running, depending on who you talk to. I think his route running is fine. So he could be sort of a dark horse sleeper, too.

So there's seven guys there. The first five that I mentioned, the ones that I like the most is first-round picks. And let me just, for those of you who haven't been studying the draft like we have, those five that he mentioned were Garrett Wilson, Jamison Williams, Drake London, Traylon Burks, and Chris Olave. Two guys from Ohio State, Burks out of Arkansas, London out of USC, Garrett Wilson out of, oh, sorry, he's one of the Ohio State guys, Jamison Williams out of Alabama. Jamison Williams tore his ACL in the national championship game. So that's maybe why he won't

be the first wide receiver taken. He will be one of the first, most likely. By the way, if you're wondering, hey, where's Dave? Why aren't you talking to Dave? He was so excited about the show. He's having some technical issues, working on getting him set up. He'll be back shortly. I think he is back right now. Hey, Dave.

What's up, Adam? So I'm sure by now you've gotten into round five and round six. Let's go over some of the sleepers that I like, and then we'll wrap up the show. I think instead of bouncing around, you know, I didn't, obviously wide receiver is the big position that's going to go in round one. As Ryan mentioned, for fantasy purposes,

as Ryan mentioned, five and a half is the over-under. He has five. You'll see some mocks with six. You'll see some with seven, maybe. And I don't know if you'd see many with fewer than five, but also, as Dan mentioned, Green Bay and Kansas City need wide receivers, and it would be freaking awesome

if they drafted a wide receiver. So let's just go through Ryan's mock draft. I think that's the best way to do this instead of bouncing around topic to topic. And Ryan, I hope I'm using the most updated one from yesterday with Ike Ikuonu going first. Let's see. I had the... Yeah, we'll see, because I've had that go in the last... from yesterday with Ike Ikuonu going first? Let's see.

I had the... Yeah, we'll see, because I've had that go in the last... Is this a seven-rounder or a two-rounder, Adam? I'm looking just at the mock draft page where there are five analysts, so this is just a one-rounder. But I could go to the two-rounder. Yeah, it's live on CBSSports.com.

All right. I'm not sure how often they update that draft page. It was updated yesterday, but I know there are so many. I got it. Ryan Wilson, if you just go to the NFL page on CBS Sports, it's one of the top stories. This is what he thinks teams should do. You've got

Aquanu going one to Jacksonville, left tackle. Hutchinson, two to the Lions. Evan Neal, three to Texans. And now I'm going to ask a general question because you have Charles Cross going six to Carolina. That means three offensive tackles in the first six picks to Jacksonville to Houston gets Evan Neal, and then to Carolina. Dave, do you think that a rookie left tackle will have or can have a big fantasy impact?

Is it something that will change any rankings for you if the Jaguars, Texans, and Panthers, in Ryan's scenario, at picks one, three, and six take left tackles. Or I assume they'll all be playing left tackle, but not necessarily. But take tackles in round one. No, I don't think there's... I like these offensive tackles. I think they all have their strengths.

But I'm not going to see Aquanu going to Jacksonville and go, That's it. I got to have Travis Etienne, and this means that Trevor Lawrence is going to get sacked 20 times. No, I don't see that. I don't think these are going to be helpful offensive linemen. They are going to be talking points for sure in July and August, but I don't think any of them are dominant to the point where they're going to come in and have a huge effect.

Look at last year's top offensive lineman. It was Sewell, right? What kind of effect did he have in Detroit? He was kind of a mess at first. He was 59th. So I looked at the PFF grades of every first round offensive lineman

over the last five years, just to see how they did. This is what you did over the weekend. Yeah. Look, you know what? I decided that I, I'm not going to two kids.

I'm not, well, this isn't the only thing I did. Uh, they helped her. He took his kids to that hypothetical farm. That's by his house. Uh,

to sum it up, these rookie offensive linemen, uh, they're not going to elevate an offense, but they can be helpful. I mean, Rashawn Slater was obviously helpful. Yes. Panay Sewell was 59th best pass blocking, but he was something like 15th best in run blocking.

And one thing I did notice is that these rookie offensive linemen, even the tackles, they tend to grade much better as run blockers, as rookies, than they do as pass blockers so i thought that was interesting and maybe they'll have a bigger effect on the running backs than they will the quarterbacks okay so then i would have a question for ryan when you look at the top three

tackles and i we won't throw penning in there for now do you think that all three of them are going to be great in the run blocking game or do you think there might be one or two of them that are going to be better as pass protectors achy and charles cross are fantastic run blockers and i i like to tell this because i think it's funny no one else does but when we were talking achy the combine i told him i'm pushing the narrative that his nickname is dr pancake because when you watch him play he's just crushing guys literally no smiles awesome love it i'm smiling evan neal played left tackle last year, played right tackle there before, can play right guard. He's three, whatever he is, three, 25,

330. He looks like he's like 6'4", like 250, the way he's built. It's insane how lithe he is, to use a word that I don't think I've ever used before. The knock on Charles Cross is that he plays non-mightly offense and he can't pass for tech, or they can't run block.

He can run block because all they do is throw the ball. He's a really good run blocker and I think that's sort of being undersold. Now, if you compare these guys to Panay Sewell and Rashawn Slater, I think whoever you take here first is coming after those two guys if they were all coming out at the same time. I would push back a little bit.

I think Panay Sewell had a really good year last year. He started off at left tackle, then he moved back to right tackle. I think that was the chronology of it. That's what he played at Oregon, I think, or vice versa. I can't remember the exact. I think he played left tackle at Oregon, and then he started

at left tackle, and then Taylor Decker came back, and they moved Sewell to right tackle. Thank you. There you go. There's the chronology on that. And Rashawn Slater was a game changer. He went 13th. He's going top three if there's a redraft to that class. He was absolutely crushing it.

And I think, look, I think Dave's right in one sense. You can take Icky to the top, and Icky's probably going to be the best player on that offensive line, but that offensive line stinks in Jacksonville. But I think taking him over an edge rusher, whoever your favorite edge rusher is, makes Trevor Lawrence a lot better. I mean, they keep drafting edge rushers, and those edge rushers,

Caleb Monchese and Josh Allen are good. Team keeps winning two games. So let me ask you this, Dave. So would you rather have, just for a fantasy conversation purposes, Ike Ikuonu at number one for Jacksonville, or would you take your favorite wide receiver? What's more bang for the buck in terms of productivity? Well, you look at what Jacksonville added to their receiving core already.

I don't think that they're going to add a wide receiver with either of their first two picks. I'd be surprised if they did that. And if they went about free agency the way that they did, I don't see how adding garrett wilson's my favorite receiver if they took garrett wilson number one overall i wouldn't be that excited about him for fantasy because i don't think he'd get all right let's say the texans the texans at three evan neal or garrett wilson i i wouldn't be as excited about garrett wilson in fantasy if he went to

houston either but at least there he'd have a good shot at being number two on the team in targets and he'd have a good shot to be number one and picking up Davis mills in the, in the backfield when he gets sacked. That's my concern. Okay. Well, listen, that same exact argument was made over Jamar chase versus Penesu last year. That's a great point. I think it worked out for Cincinnati that they took Jamar chase. No, that's right. I think, listen to answer your question, Ryan, I think if there was a super top-tier receiver in this draft,

and I don't think there is, I would argue for that receiver over any of these three offensive linemen. But because there isn't, because I think Garrett Wilson's the best of all the receivers that are available, and I think his ceiling is Calvin Ridley pre-online sports betting, then I think that you go with one of the linemen, they're probably a safer bet for an offense. And I'll say this about the linemen here.

I agree with what everyone said, but I do think that Rashawn Slater made a big impact on that Chargers offense, especially at the second level where it really helped Eckler in the screen game. And when I watch, just going off of Brian's mock, if it goes like this and we do have Cross going six to the Panthers, Cross, he doesn't have the same strength at the point of attack as Slater. So I'm not going to say he's like Slater. I think Slater's a much better prospect.

But one thing Cross does really well, and there weren't many examples of it because of what Brian said, the offense he played in that Mike Leach offense, but there were some examples of him climbing to the second level in the screen game and having a massive impact there. And I think he could do the same thing there in Carolina for Christian McCaffrey. And I almost feel like if he goes to Carolina, he may have the biggest impact fantasy wise because of what he can do for the screen game for McCaffrey. So there are still some examples of these linemen having an impact in fantasy.

I agree, though. Generally speaking, you're not going to you're not going to see a quantum go one to Jacksonville. And that line is immediately amazing for fantasy football and for ETN. Yeah. Hey, let me ask, Adam, let me ask you a damn quick. I know this is a Giants podcast. I'm interested. How do you feel as Giants fans

about passing on Charles Cross and taking Sauce Gardner and Trayvon Walker? You can just give me a 10-second answer and we can move on. I'm just curious. The way that mock drafts, I would feel terrible about it. If they don't get one of these three tackles, I'm going to feel terrible coming out of this.

Hazer? I mean, I think I've gotten more excited about Gardner throughout the week, so I think he seems like maybe the best player of all the players we've talked about. I think Gardner and an offensive tackle would be great, but I think I'd like to see them trade out of the first round, preferably, and try to get some ammunition for next year.

Okay, got it. Thank you. So, yeah. Okay, let's get back to the mock draft here. I guess we'll just move on. By the way, we are giving away a spot in the 2022 Listeners League. If you want to be in, fill out the form in the episode description with your prediction of the top 10 picks of the NFL draft. You don't need to tell us the teams that they're going to, just the players and the order in which they will be drafted. Not here are the 10 players. You have to tell me one through 10. You'll see it on the form. Whoever's closest to the exact

order gets the spot. The link is in the episode description and entries close Thursday night at 8 p.m. You should do it, but I recommend waiting. Okay. There's no sense in doing it now. Wait until you have as much information as possible. And remember, you have to spell the names properly. If you don't, it will not count as a correct guess. Okay. So we've got, let's recap the first six picks because I kind of skipped some of them. I have a million tabs open here. It is Aquanu one to the Jaguars Hutchinson Hutchinson two to the Lions Evan Neal to the Texans Thibodeau to the Jets see Ryan I listen to the pick six podcast I know not to be Will Brinson and say Thibodeau Thibodeau to the Jets uh Sauce Gardner to the Giants Charles Cross to the Panthers and then the Giants again with Trayvon Walker at seven he could go number one

who do you think is going number one, guys? Dan, you haven't spoken all that much. Sorry about that. Let me get you in there. Who do you have going number one? I think they're going to go Walker. It's Trent Baalke. Okay.

Ryan? He's the new Dave Edelman. I think it's Trayvon Walker, too. And the only thing I would say to that, and sort of the storylines you hear in the media that may or may not be smokescreens, is that, well, he took Aldon Smith back in the day. And I think I talked with Dan about this before.

But that's the same draft where he also passed on J.J. Watt and Cam Jordan. So I get it. Aldon Smith was great his rookie season, had the off-field concerns. But he also passed on two Hall of Famers. And I feel like, I don't know if Aiden Hutchins can be a Hall of Famer, but he certainly feels like more of a layup than Trayvon. So we'll see. Okay. And in case you're confused, the draft that we're reading right now is what Ryan thinks teams should do, not what he thinks they will do.

So when you get number 35 on Thursday, you might see Trayvon Walker mocked at number one. Correct. Dave, who do you got number one? I have Hutchinson. I think not only does he help their pass rush immediately, but he helps the run defense immediately too. The Jaguars are in the same division as the Titans and the Colts.

They've got some pretty damn good running backs. Probably the first two picks in fantasy this year will be Jonathan Taylor, Derek Henry. That's who Jacksonville has to deal with twice a year. Each. They need guys who can stop the run. Okay. Pick number eight is where it gets fun from a fantasy perspective.

A lot of mocks have Garrett Wilson going eighth overall to the Atlanta Falcons. So Dave, if you look at that, who, who excels, who excels more, you know,

at their respective position in 2022, Garrett Wilson or Kyle pits. Yeah. Um, I, 2022, Garrett Wilson or Kyle Pitts? Ugh. I think Pitts is probably going to be a little bit better just because he's got the year of experience under his belt and because he's a bigger body. And we've seen Mariota lean on tight ends before. He'll probably be used more in the short and intermediate areas

of the passing game, which I think Mariota is going to look for. I don't see Mariota being a deep bomber. I would imagine more targets for Pitts, more catches for Pitts, more touchdowns for Pitts. Do you think Pitts in round four still if Garrett Wilson? Three or four.

Garrett Wilson was only going to help Pitts I think for fantasy. It takes away some of the defensive attention. Pitts quietly at the third most receiving yards for a tight end last year. I feel like it's the most quiet third, most receiving yard ever. No one talks about that. Yeah.

That reset a record. That team won like how many games they won. They won all those games, but I combined seven points. Like it was insane. How terrible that was. So don't worry. Mariota's there too.

So tell me about Garrett Wilson, Ryan, and as you have him as the first guy off the board. Yeah, I'll be interested to hear what Dave thinks of this too. Like, I love him. And I talked to him at the combine, and he said that Olave's faster than he was. And it turns out Garrett ran, I think, a tenth of a second faster when they actually ran their 40s.

And maybe during the course of practices at Ohio State, Olave was faster. But in games, Garrett Wilson played immeasurably faster. Like, it wasn't even close for me. I think he's more athletic. I think he gets up the line of scrimmage better. I think he's stronger. I think he's better with the high-point catches.

And I say all this with the understanding that Olave's a really good football player and probably going to go in the first round. Mid-first round, probably, it feels like. But I think, and I just mentioned this earlier, Garrett Wilson reminds me a lot of Odell Beckham at his best in terms of the athleticism at the catch point. But as I said earlier as well, Deontay Johnson

was the comp that Gary Wilson made for himself. And I think with better hands. He does have focus drops, which sort of reminisce of Deontay Johnson. I would like those to go away for both players. But I think either of those players, whether you're getting Deontay Johnson or Odell Beckham or something in between, that's a first-round talent.

And, you know, Dave was moaning and groaning because he's going to the Falcons. I get it. But again, if he goes to somehow lands in the Patriots, for example, I think you have to feel pretty good about that. Or the Steelers, for example. Well, it's Mr. Biscay. It's no longer Big Ben.

How about Green Bay, Ryan? Green Bay, Kansas City, right. Those would be certainly fun destinations. Atlanta, not so much. Okay. Well, let's talk about a few more wide receivers here. We'll go deeper into the draft because Jamison Williams is coming off the board shortly.

Derek Stingley at number nine, cornerback out of LSU going to Seattle in Ryan's should-do-mock-what-they-should-do mock draft. And then Jamison Williams to the Jets at number 10 and Drake London to the Commanders at number 11.

So that is three wide receivers off the board within four picks at 8, 10, and 11. All right, Dave. So now give me a ranking for 2022 only. Garrett Wilson on the Falcons,

Jamison Williams on the Jets, and Drake London on the Commanders. I think I'm going to take Drake London first, especially if it's full PPR. I think he's going to have a chance to be real close to total targets with Terry McLaurin. He'll be that number two guy. How long have I been talking about Carson Wentz

and his favoritism toward bigger outside types of wide receivers? And I think London fits in with Washington pretty well because he's a different type of receiver. First of all, he's a different type of receiver than most of the people who play wide receiver in the NFL. He's 6'4". He's basically Kyle Pitts, but at wide receiver. And I think that Washington needs somebody like that who's different from Terry McLaurin. And I think that McLaurin and his contract situation, it makes it a little more wise, I guess, for Washington to spend that pick on a wide out. And I think that London fits in with Wentz. And I think Washington wants to try and make it work with Wentz. And so they're taking him for the comfort of Wentz throwing to bigger targets.

And so that they've got a wide receiver for the next several years who could be their number one if things go wrong with McLaurin or if things go right with McLaurin and they sign him, he's their 1B. I think he's got all kinds of potential. He would be first for me. I would probably take Wilson second and Jamison Williams third because I'm not the biggest Jamison Williams fan and I also view the Jets offense as probably being a little more run centric not as pass heavy and they've got

Elijah Moore there Corey Davis is still there for 2022 I think that could hurt the targets for Jamison fun fact quickly about Drake London played high school basketball senior year average 30 points a game, 12 rebounds. And he also played a little bit with USC. So he is the epitome of high point catch machine.

He wanted to go to USC in general, but he especially chose them because they were going to let him play basketball. He played six minutes, I think, of college basketball for USC. I think he missed one basket in his six minutes playing for the Trojans on the court. But yeah, he's a lot like Mike Williams, Mike Evans,

Alshon Jeffrey, big body type of receiver on the perimeter. And he didn't run the 40. And there are questions about the speed, I guess. And I do want to get into 40 times and what they mean when we talk about Traylon Burks, because he's fascinating to me. A slow 40 time, but ran by everybody in the SEC.

And we'll get to Burks in a little bit. Dan, I want to ask you, though, we've got, again, we've got Garrett Wilson on the Falcons, Jamison Williams to the Jets at 10, and Drake London to Washington at 11. How do you rank them for 2022 for fantasy purposes?

So I'm going to go a little different. I'm going to go with Jamison Williams as the wide receiver one. He's my wide receiver one in this class. He's the one you watch on film and he pops off the angles. He eliminates. It's just like, whoo, the then championship game against George,

the play he made or the game before that was like, whoo. And so I think that people don't think that he's a fit. It was, you watch and eliminate these angles. You're like, who is this guy? Spell that. Spell that.

That's an H. That's a H. Like a H. It's got another W in there. H-W-O-O-O. I do declare. H-W-O-O-O from the most southern guy on the podcast. Yeah, right.

And anyway, I agree with what Dave said, especially when you look at some of the underneath stats. The Jets had a lot of runs in past situations last year. They're a team that wants to run the ball coming from that 49ers-based offense. But people always say, look, the Jets got to get a big guy to pair with Eli Moore there. I don't think so. I think Zach Wilson's skill set leads itself to what Jameson Williams can do in the deep passing game.

So I like Williams there, then I like London. And unfortunately, I have Wilson last, even though he'd be my number one receiver after Jameson Williams in this class overall. Okay, question about Jameson Williams, Ryan. Do you think he is a complete receiver? Do you think he's mostly just a deep threat? How would you describe him? A little scouting report on Jameson Williams out of Alabama, who again is coming off the torn ACL that he suffered in the national championship game. Yeah, he's complete. The only issue is he looks like Devonta Smith.

And turns out Devonta Smith is a pretty complete player too. He's not as good as Devonta Smith. He's faster. I don't think Devonta, did Devonta run last year? I don't think he did, right? Nope. Yeah, because he had whatever injury he was nursing. He's plenty fast. Even if he was a 4-5-5 guy, I don't care. But I'm talking about Devontae. Jameson's much faster than that. And he could stand to add some weight and get stronger, but you could say that about just about everyone in this class,

except for maybe Traylon Burks in terms of the first-round conversations. Yeah, no, he's complete. He can run every route. And Dan, as he was having his feigning spells there, was sort of alluding to just how good he is at all three levels. Yeah. And he mentioned the Georgia game, but you can watch any game and he's pretty much running away from guys deep.

He finds ways to get open on the short and intermediate routes because there's quickness off the line of scrimmage. And I think just probably needs to get a little stronger. He reminds me so much of Deshaun Jackson. Do you see that at all? Ryan? Yeah, no, that's actually a good cop.

And he's early Deshaun. He's a tall, he must be taller too than Deshaun. I don, Ryan? Yeah. That's actually a good comp. Early Deshaun. He must be taller, too, than Deshaun. I don't know. Deshaun was more upside to me. I like that comp a lot. You mentioned the speed with... You mentioned the speed with Drake London. I'll just tell you this. I was talking to a team back in the fall,

and they described Drake London, having seen him play, not really caring what he would run in straight line and shorts, as a bigger version of Devontae Adams. Devontae Adams also a second-round pick. So if that sort of interests you, you might be interested in Drake London. Okay, but then it also interests me in – and that does interest me, by the way.

I would sign up for that – in Christian Watson, who is not in your first round, but he's a 6'4 guy who, who ran a four, three, six, I believe, or yeah, four, three, six, I think. And you talked about him a little bit earlier, but my God, just the Dan wrote a, wrote the scouting report on, on Christian Watson. And I think you said it's like watching a video game. So I'm very curious to talk about him, see what you guys think. We will come right back and finish up round one. The second half is exciting. A lot of wide receivers still to come.

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Visit amex.ca slash business platinum. So we are 11 picks in. We had three offensive tackles going to Ryan's mock in the first six picks. And then at 8, 10, and 11 we had Garrett Wilson to the Falcons, Jamison Williams to the Jets, Drake London to Washington. After that

Trent McDuffie, a cornerback, goes to Minnesota. And Kyle Hamilton, the safety, who at times we heard about him, maybe he's a top five pick. He falls to 13 to Houston. And he had a slow 40 time. But he's a great playmaker, safety out of Notre Dame. Jermaine Johnson.

Oh, man, did he just terrorize Miami in that game, Dave. And Dave would say, edge rusher out of Florida State going to Baltimore at 14. The Eagles, with their first pick of this draft, they take Jordan Davis, defensive lineman out of Georgia. Did he run a faster 40 than Kyle Hamilton?

Yeah, it was close. 478 to 479 at the pro day for Kyle Hamilton. No, no, 474 maybe. I think 474 479 at the pro day for Kyle Hamilton. Wow. No, no. 474 maybe. I think 474 for Kyle at the pro day. 478 for Jordan at the combine. Yeah. At like 150 pounds. Right.

66341 running a 478. Jordan Davis to the Eagles at 15. Malik Willis to the Saints. First quarterback off the board. That's lower than most mocks, right? At 16 for Malik Willis and he i'm sure he'll go higher in your in your mock draft 35 right uh let's take a little sneak peek where does he go yeah he does he ends up going i'll give you a little little preview have him going eight in

the final mock draft to the falcons remember this is what ryan would do now this is what i would do the one we're talking about here yes i wouldn't take him at six we've talked about the offensive line needs there i i think at eight, you need to help out Kyle Pitts. Marcus Mariota is obviously not the answer. But anyway, we get to Malik Willis at 16. And I have no idea what these teams are thinking with the quarterbacks, which is usually have some sense from talking to folks and whatnot. It's just so nebulous at this point.

But here's my thing with Malik here. Upside and all the immeasurables, it's fantastic. I mean, you build a guy in the lab, he looks like Malik Willis. He's probably just four inches taller. But if you're Pete Carmichael running the Sean Payton offense that everyone knows so well, and Sean Payton had this weird love affair with Taysom Hill,

Malik Willis feels like a really big upgrade over Taysom Hill. So you roll with Jameis for a year, maybe two, and then you reevaluate, and hopefully you have your quarterback. I hope it's in the plan. I know all that, but here's the thing. I'm fine with teams taking measured risks on quarterbacks, and sometimes you get

Mr. Biskey, and sometimes you get Josh Allen. This will probably be somewhere in the middle because, what do you have, a 30%, 40% hit rate on quarterbacks in the first round, but you never make a shot. You don't take Acer. I know. I just, I always go back to the Jake Locker, Christian Ponder draft,

which is probably the worst example, but you see it all the time. You see it all. But it just doesn't, it just doesn't feel like, a 16 would be, you know, justifiable. But it just doesn't feel like from all the things I've read and seen, I mean, I watched a little bit of Malik Willis, but I don't take my scouting opinion to be so, so great. Um, it doesn't seem like these quarterbacks are special this year and you shouldn't take, you shouldn't take them just because they are a quarterback. Yeah. That's

just never a good idea. That's right. You should take the best players available. Um, I don't want to compare the two though, because I don't think they're alike at all, but Josh Allen wasn't special coming out of Wyoming. He had special traits and that's kind of what Ryan was alluding to Malik Wills. Malik Wills is not a special quarterback right now. He's got a long way to go as far as just processing defenses post-snap, but right now he does still have the special traits and that's, it all kind of depends on the fit where he goes to and who, you know, obviously the coaching and the work he puts in. People don't talk about it.

Everyone's like, oh, Brian, you know, Brian Dable, everybody, uh, Dorsey, whoever Josh Allen worked with. It's also Josh Allen. He put in the time to work on his craft and improve his footwork and improve his upper body mechanics. And that's why he's one of the best quarterbacks right now. So Willis can do all of that. Dave, if whoever drafts Malik Willis, when would you expect to see him as the starting quarterback?

Would it be second half of this year? Would it be 2023? Because obviously we need to evaluate that from the wide receiver's perspective as well. I think it completely depends on the team. I wish there was a blanket answer I could give. Let's call it the last third of the 2022 season. That's probably about the average.

But there are some teams that might put them on the field real soon if they know their season's not going anywhere. Carolina. Carolina right off the top, where if the Panthers go 0-4 to start the year with Sam Darnold, I mean, they might move to him after going 0-1 because Darnold, they know they're not going anywhere with him. Yeah. Versus a team

like New Orleans, who has Jameis Winston, well, if Jameis is healthy and he's doing his thing, they're probably not going to use Malik Willis at all. So I would imagine that you'll see Malik Willis play sometime in November for most of these teams, but it really does come

down to where he goes. Listen, I think if he goes to Seattle, I think he's got a chance to start week one. Pete Carroll's got a pretty consistent track record of playing guys when he thinks they're ready. And if he goes to Seattle and he makes quick improvements, who does he have to outplay in Seattle? Drew Locke and Geno Smith? That's not asking a lot.

He could start week one in Seattle, and that could be pretty crazy for the receivers there. They'll have some massive inconsistencies from week to week. September will be busy for Matt Flynn having to relive all those memories when he got pinched from Russell Wilson. He'll be counting his money while he does. Sorry, Dan. We only have Ryan for

five more minutes, so I want to get him to talk about the rest of these wide receivers here that he has in the first round. Malik Willis, 16 to the Saints, and then a couple of offensive linemen are going to come off the board in the next three picks. Kenyon Green to the Chargers. He can play inside or outside. Devin Lloyd at linebacker goes to the Eagles at 18. The Saints again on the clock, and they go with Trevor Penning. They lost Teron Armstead, so this will be an important pick for the Saints. And then another offensive lineman,

Tyler Linderbaum, who... Do you think Tyler Linderbaum, who's a center, will have a big impact? I mean, look, centers don't get drafted high, but you have him going to Pittsburgh. I mean, is he an immediate... And you can be quick on this so we can spend more time on the fun players.

Is he an immediate impact player as a rookie, Tyler Linderbaum, center out of Iowa? Yeah, if he goes to Pittsburgh, if he goes to Dallas, if he goes to Cincinnati, absolutely. And you mentioned centers aren't often drafted. I'll give you this little quick nugget. Since 2010, three centers have gone. The highest they've gone is 18th. Marquise Pouncey, Ryan Kelly, and Brinson's guy, Garrett Bradbury. Two of the three are really good.

So, you know, it just depends on the scheme. Last year, the Steelers' interior was so terrible that it exacerbated all the other issues with offense. I don't know if he's going to go this high, but he fits a need there for sure. He would start at day one. All right, New England on the clock at 21. They go on the defensive line to Georgia's Devontae Wyatt.

And then we've got Traylon Burks, 22 overall to the Packers, who also take in your mock another wide receiver, I believe. Oh, no, Chris Olave you have going. Okay, I'm sorry. That was a different mock. I've done that before. You actually have Olave going to the Chiefs.

How cool is that? All right, so let's say in this awesome scenario, Traylon Burks to the Packers at 22 and Olave to the Chiefs at 29. First, Dave, who would you rank higher, Burks on the Packers or Olave on the Chiefs? 29. First, Dave, who would you rank higher, Burks on the Packers or Olave on the Chiefs? Burks on the Packers. And would he be number one in this scenario amongst the rookie wide receivers?

Potentially, yes. In fact, I probably, like ahead of Wilson, ahead of Jameson Williams, who was the other receiver? Drake London in Washington. Yeah, he would be ahead of Drake London in Washington. I think you could look at Burks as someone who might be the best possible replacement for Devonta Adams in terms of just short and intermediate passing for Green Bay. Dan, so Olave to the Chiefs, do you think he would have a better season?

Who would you rank higher? Juju Smith-Schuster or Chris Olave? Ooh, I like that one. I would, I think I would rank Juju Smith-Schuster higher. I feel like the fit, it's, it's, he has more experience

in the NFL right now. I don't trust, I'm not going to come in and trust Olave right away, especially a receiver like Olave who's outside my top five. Okay, I want to talk about Traylon Burks here.

So a 4-5-5-40 at the combine is not good, Ryan. It's not great. You got some guys running the 4-3s or whatever. But the game speed is exceptional. Now, USA Today wrote an article with a list of wide receivers who ran 40s at 4-5 or slower. Yeah. Here are some of them.

Tell me if they're good. DeAndre Hopkins, Devontae Adams, Mike Evans, Antonio Brown, Demarius Thomas, Des Bryant, Cooper Cupp, Alan Robinson, Kenny Galladay, Juju Smith-Schuster, Deontay Johnson, Tyler Boyd, Cortland Sutton, Michael

Pittman. All ran 4.5 or slower. You've got Anquan Boldin. Yeah, I was going to say, Anquan Boldin ran like a 4.78. He's the. You've got Anquan Boldin. Yeah, I was going to say, Anquan Boldin ran like a 4-7-8. He's the one that changed my opinion on the 40 forever. And Larry Fitzgerald didn't run to the combine. I'm pretty sure he ran to the 4-6s when they got a time on him.

And here's the thing, Aja, with all those names you mentioned, they all played faster than they timed. And I think you can look at 40 times and be like, oh, that guy's clearly slow. But when you watch him, unless you're Pete Prisco, Traylon Burks is consistently outrunning guys to the end zone. And he's not outrunning guys in Division III. It's the SEC where almost every single one of those cornerbacks are going to either get drafted or be in an NFL camp

by the time it's all said and done. And as I mentioned, you can line him up anywhere. He ran 1,000 end-to-rounds. He can run the screen game. He can play in the backfield. He's sort of an upgrade over Randall Cobb, I feel like, 10 years ago or whatever in that offense. And Amari Rodgers, if you want to throw him in there,

who they drafted a couple years ago. And I think, you know, he's sturdy. He's not like Olave in terms of he's a slight frame. He hasn't played in cold weather like Olave has. But I think that's a relatively easy transition. You're going to have that transition and the transition of someone who needs to gain 20 pounds. It would be tough for him to get in a full-on scrimmage.

There's no better fit in fantasy than Burks for the LaFleur offense. Okay, so here's – What about Arizona's offense? I still feel like Burks in that LaFleur offense is even better. I mean, look at what Moore did last year. We wanted Moore to get more snaps. We wanted Moore to get more playing time. It seems like a better fit.

There's a lot more bubble screens, but the way that they use motion and pre-snap in that Green Bay offense to kind of set up everything else, Burks is going to be perfect, I think. All right, so I just want to bring this concern up, right? Because when I read that list of the wide receivers who ran slow 40 times and were great, they don't really strike me as a list of players

who run by you, right? Like DeAndre Hopkins, Devante Adams, Mike Evans, Antonio Brown does, Demarius Thomas, Des Bryant. These are bigger box-out guys, like really good perimeter-wide receivers. I guess what I'm saying is, does Traylon Burks morph into that type of receiver? Is he just going to break the mold?

People compare him to Debo Samuel, but Debo did run a better 40 time than that. But the knock on Debo as you're coming in, I talked to him at the Senior Bowl, but I remember this because I was looking at the quote a few weeks ago, is that teams don't think I'm fast enough. That was the conversation coming into the Senior Bowl. He felt like he proved some people wrong that week.

Turns out he's a pretty good football player. I think we get hung up on the speed thing. In a foot race, I don't know if he's running by Pat Sertan. He almost certainly isn't. If he has a step on Pat Sertan if he's running by pat sartan he almost certainly isn't but if he has a step on pat sartan because he won off the line with his hands and his physicality that's an extra 10 15 yards down the field tyree keel scored a touchdown but there's only one tyree keel so i think we sometimes overplay it but but i love a lot about his game

and the answer your question is there are examples and i'm sure ryan can attest this there are a lot of examples of him high pointing the ball and making some really good contested catches on tape. Really, I didn't see anyone who did it better than Drake London. I know there weren't as many examples, wasn't as large of a sample size, but Burks does that. And one thing that we always forget, this is a good thing I picked up from Greg Cosell, who I think is the goat for NFL film analysis. Stride length is important when you're talking about speed for these receivers and ultimately if they can outrun defenders. And he's got huge stride length, Trelon Brooks.

He's a big receiver. And when he moves, he picks up ground fast. So I think that the speed thing, the 40 thing is a little overrated when it comes to his speed. Okay. 225 pounds, and he can really move. And speaking of really moving, we've got to let Ryan really move. So thank you for being here,

Ryan Wilson. Appreciate it, man. Thank you guys. This is great. I guess you'll be on pick six all week. Um, probably.

Okay, good. Yeah. What are you doing on Thursday, Ryan? Uh, I'll be, I'll be at the pool in Vegas with orange Pete Prisco.

We'll have already been 24 hours into the sun. You know, Thursday's big for Ryan. Friday's bigger for us, Dave, I'd say, right? I would agree. I would agree, but I know that we'll have coverage of the draft as part of our usual deal on CBS Sports HQ, and Ryan will be there the whole time. Thanks a lot, Ryan.

Thank you, guys. All right, we'll continue it here with Dave and Dan. Traylon Burks, 22nd overall to Green Bay. David Ojabo to Arizona, 22nd overall to Green Bay. David Ojabo to Arizona, edge rusher out of Michigan. Zion Johnson, offensive lineman going to Dallas. Give them a little help on the interior of the

offensive line. I would love to see Linderbaum go to Dallas, but Zion Johnson, kind of the same idea there, I guess, guys, right? Zion can play center, too. Dallas has a great offensive line for a while, but they need to re-fortify it a little bit. Buffalo taking Daxton Hill.

I wrote a mock draft. Ryan's done 34 of these. I'm doing my first right now. It's the biggest regret professionally that I have. When I said yes to Dan, yes, I'll do a mock draft for fantasy analysis. I was doing it last time. I'm like, this is the worst idea I ever had.

Why did I agree to do this? I just put Brees Hall. You passed Adam with writing his first piece of written content for the site in over a year, and this is what we get. Yeah, I put Brees Hall there for Buffalo because I just want to see it. But Ryan has Daxon Hill

as safety there. Offensive line to Tennessee. Let's see. I'll just... Chris Olave to the Chiefs. And that would be it for offense in round one. So, alright. I think let's kind of talk about

sum it up here. Over the last three years, we've had a lot of wide receivers go in the first round. And overall, we've had a lot of wide receivers be pretty productive for fantasy. Not necessarily must-start guys, but like a Devontae Smith or a T. Higgins a couple of years ago

who actually had a great stretch. Brandon Ayuk finished strong. Not necessarily guys that from week one through week 17, or week 18, that you're starting every week, or anything like that, but players you're drafting, players that you're rostering for the entire season. Some of them are going to be great,

but a lot of them are just going to be really solid. Do you see that happening this year, Dave? Do you think we're going to get, say, five top 100 to 120? All right, five players in the first 10 rounds. Do you think at the wide receiver position, do you think it's realistic in fantasy? In fantasy redrafts this year?

Yeah, you'll probably see five receivers go in that stretch. I don't think there will be many left over for round 11 plus. You'll see one or two that'll get hyped up. They'll be the ones that are paired with a good quarterback. They'll go in round seven or eight. And then the next ones that are based on talent will probably go after them.

And then the last one, or maybe two, maybe there's six of these guys. They'll end up going in that round nine to 10 ish. Dan, who's the wide receiver that you fell in love with? I got to, I got Christian Watson,

North Dakota state. You brought him up earlier. He's just reminds me so much of the DK Metcalf evaluation from a few years ago. He can't do this. He can't run. He doesn't have a large route tree. He doesn't run around a lot.

Sorry. Run a lot of routes, give him the opportunity to, and he'll show you that he can. The other guy is the deep sleeper. I Taekwon Thornton out of Baylor. I watched Taekwon Thornton and I'm like, he ran the four to, and he'll show you that he can. The other guy is the deep sleeper, Taequann Thornton out of Baylor. I watched Taequann Thornton, and I'm like, he ran the 4-2-8 at the combine, and yet he's getting no buzz despite running the 4-2-8 at the combine.

Then you watch his tape, and he looks awesome on film there in that Baylor offense. So he'll be a late sleeper that I like. Dave, who do you think? Dan knows who mine is. Okay, who? Oh, yeah. I've been talking about him since the Senior Bowl. It's Alec Pierce from Cincinnati.

He timed well in the 40. He's an example of somebody who has this amazing 40 time, but you watch him play and you don't really see it. You don't see that speed on film, but you do see him with really good technique. He's good at getting open. He's good at catching 50-50 balls. I think part of the reason why Desmond Ritter had the stats that he had last year is because he trusted Alec Pierce almost every single time that they were in the red zone or he was under pressure. He was on the move. Throw it to 12. That's what he did. one of these receivers that has size on his side and just knows how to get open with just footwork or just a little bit of a push off. I think he's good at all that stuff. I am really hoping he ends

up on a team that's got a good quarterback and a good opportunity for him to become available and to become a possible fantasy sleeper as soon as week one. And that's Alec Pierce out of Cincy. And if you guys believe this stuff, and you know what I do, Cincy has three defensive backs that are going to be drafted in the first two days of this draft. One, Sauce Gardner, who Adam mentioned is loving earlier,

is going to be probably a top five pick. They raved about Pierce playing against Pierce in practice. Yeah. Turns out they were pretty good, huh? They were pretty loaded, that team. Yeah. And very deserving of their spot

in the CFB playoff. You know what I am really excited about is I cannot, I didn't go back all that far. I went back to the 2014 draft, which was that great wide receiver draft with Beckham and Watkins and Evans and Cooks and Devante Adams, who was a second round pick. I cannot think of a wide receiver who got drafted by a team that has an elite quarterback and immediately looks obvious to step into the number one target role. Right?

I mean, since this... What? Who? There was one last year. That was the one, right? But I couldn't put Burrow on the same level as aaron rogers you know burrow had a great year yep but to to give aaron rogers a guy it's a good chance gonna happen i hope fingers crossed and uh you know it's a decent chance gonna take a running back in a quarter right Right. To give Aaron Rodgers a guy that could be number one in targets, when we have seen his number one wide receivers

have just been fantasy league winners, they've been number one in fantasy. That is so exciting. I can't think of a time where it's happened. I mean, you had Brandon Cooks, but they still had Jimmy Graham and the end of Marcus Colston. Then you had Michael Thomas, but they still had Brandon cooks, but both those guys had good rookie years.

Michael Thomas had a great rookie year. Anyway, this is, I don't know if it's unprecedented, but it has been a long time since this has happened. I don't, I can't name the last time it happened. Maybe it was Joe Burrow, but again, he's not Aaron Rogers, but I mean, I think that is so exciting. Do you think that people will look at what happened to justin jefferson and say that he was somebody who went i mean i don't think we were drafting him that way and i'm not sure if we were drafting jamar chase that way because it wasn't rogers

but cousins had cousins had a great year um and jefferson had the he had the infamous odell beckham training camp where he was like injured or on the covid list remember it got off to a slow start azar famously dropped him for like one of the texans like third receivers on the deck we all know who it was who was it who was it dave it was uh payton i can't remember barber i dropped him for these are the affinity for texans players remember the seven eight round back to back last Just brutal stuff. At least you're acknowledging it was 7-8 because you used to say it was 6-7. I used to. Yeah, anyway,

I'm excited for that. And I think, Dave, the hardest thing for me when all this dust settles is am I going to downgrade any of the veteran-wide receivers like Terry McLaurin if they draft Drake London?

Am I going to downgrade any of the veteran wide receivers? If their teams take one of the best wide receivers in round one, I don't think I'll do it for around no, no way for around two pick almost very unlikely. Depends on who it is. And would you do it for the breakout types to Adam? Like, let's say the jets go with Drake London or any of those receivers.

Are you not as high on Eli Moore now? I don't know. I'm going to defer to you guys on that. I think that's the toughest part because I like second-year receivers a lot. Even the great second-year receivers a lot of times struggle as rookies. Let's say in this example, you had Jamison Williams going to the Jets from Ryan. Who would you guys, you had Jamison Williams going to the Jets from Ryan. Who would you guys rank higher, Jamison Williams or Elijah Moore? Because on one hand, I guess Jamison Williams is a better prospect than Elijah Moore was, although Moore was no slouch.

On the other hand, Moore was very good last year for that stretch, and he's in his second year, and he's now recovering from a torn ACL. So, Dave, which Jets receiver would you take? Obviously, it's Corey Davis, but other than that, no, just kidding. Who would it be between the two young guys? I would take Braxton Berrios. I would take Elijah Moore ahead of Jamison Williams. How would that change?

Jamison Williams participates in training camp. He looks great. Zach Wilson has time to throw to him. Maybe that other first-round pick that the Jets use is on a lineman. That offensive line that already looks like to be one of the top half lines in the league, maybe it becomes closer to a top-10 line. That's an example of an offensive lineman impacting fantasy football. It would have to take stuff like that.

Jameson Williams being not only available to play in Week 1, but also looking like he belongs as the No one alpha receiver in the Jets offense. And that Zach Wilson looks good in camp too. Dan, what scares me is if the Eagles take a wide receiver, you're talking about a team that had the fewest pass attempts in the NFL last year. And that was while changing their strategy to becoming even more run heavy seven games into the season or eight games into the season whatever it was um yeah so davante smith probably the number one receiver in this if he

were in this year's class right i would have him one yeah yeah so if they take a receiver which didn't happen in ryan's mock but does it happen in a lot of mock drafts. I think you have to rank Smith ahead, but do you even put Smith in the top 36 at wide receiver? Right. Yeah, I don't know if I do. We'll see who it is. You can't trust that passing game right now. Right.

It would be like the Ravens drafting another wide receiver. Yeah. It would be like Bateman. Over Bateman. But Brown had his best season after they drafted Bateman, which is why, you know, we tend to lean toward a lot of that production early

in the season, though. Yeah. OK, running backs. We have a little bit of time for running backs here. They deserve more than a little bit. Yeah, I don't worry.

We did running backs dirty. We may have to figure something out. Yeah, this is this is where we should have wedged in the tight ends, not the right. OK, so you will say

too much offensive line. Talk at him. We'll save. Look, I'm talking about wedged in the tight ends, not the running backs. Too much offensive line talk, Adam. We'll save... Look, I'm talking about the guys that are the top six picks in the NFL draft here. We'll save running backs for tomorrow. We'll give them the due that they deserve. Dave, talk to me about tight ends. Anyone that you think could be fantasy relevant this year?

We actually had two top 12 tight ends in 2021. Pitts, obviously, and Fryermuth. I think he was actually 11th and non and 13th in full PPR. But anyway, two relevant tight ends in 2021. Pitts, obviously, and Fryermuth. I think he was actually 11th in non and 13th in full PPR. But anyway, two relevant tight ends. What do you think about this year's crop? We don't have anybody like Kyle Pitts, where it's a guy who's more like a wide

receiver playing tight end. We've got tight ends who are... They've got the ceiling of George Kittle, but they've also got the floor of lower than Heath Miller. I don't know. I can't think of anybody right now, but the two that I like the best are Trey McBride, who I'm sure most everybody's heard about. Just a big, beefy tight end. He can block, he can catch, he can run. And Greg Dulcich from UCLA. And when I watched him, I thought of Kittle.

So I think that he's somebody that could end up being good if he lands in the right spot. Jelani Woods is another one who's got good size to him. I'd like to see where he ends up. But I would probably classify this group as versatile, fairly deep. There are a lot of tight ends that I think can fit into the mold of do-it-all tight end, but none that have that breakaway skill set or talent base that's going to make you say, wow, he can be a difference maker at the next level.

Dan, we have had in the last seven years, two tight ends finish as top 10 tight ends as rookies. Can you name them? Kyle pits. Yeah. And, uh,

last 10 years. Is that what we had? Seven years, seven finished top 10, only two. There's a reason you said seven years. It's 10 years, is that what we had? Seven years. Seven years. Finished top 10, only two. There's a reason you said seven years. It's that draft, obviously. No, no, no.

The reason I did seven years. I'll tell you why I did seven years after you guess. And Dave, you can guess as well. This is disappointing. What is this? I can't get there. This is the other tight end who finished top 10. Oh, Evan Ingram.

Evan Ingram, yeah. Yeah, Evan Ingram, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Wow. What a disappointment from that point on. I know. And why did I do the last seven years? Because I started these exercises two years ago,

and I did five years, and I just keep adding to the data every year. So now I'm in my over the last seven years. These are stats, they call this. Yeah, I'll give you some- These are advanced stats. These are... Here's what you need to know.

We've had at least two rookie running backs finish top 12 in five of the last seven seasons. The two exceptions were 2019, Josh Jacobs and Miles Sanders. They were top 15, but they were not top 12. Actually, Jacobs was 21st in PPR, 14th in non-PPR. And last year, Najee Harris was top five, but Javante Williams was 17th in non, 16th in PPR.

So that, unfortunately, that is two of the last three seasons where we did not have two top 12 rookie running backs. But overall, five of the last seven, we have had two top 12 rookie running backs. Wide receivers, we've only had five top 12 rookie wide receivers in the last seven seasons. They were Michael Thomas, A.J. Brown, and only a non PPR, Justin Jefferson, Jamar chase, and Jalen Waddle only in full PPR.

Um, but we've had at least one top 24 wide receiver as a rookie in all seven seasons and three of them in 2020, uh, and two last year. It's, and it's getting better. We've had four to five wide receivers finish top 36 as rookies three straight seasons. That's kind of what I was,

I wish I had had that stat like 15 minutes ago when I was talking about wide receivers. But again, that's four to five top 36 rookie wide receivers three straight seasons. So that's good stuff. And it's a nice departure

from the crap we had in, you know, like five, six years ago, we just had these terrible wide receiver drafts, but yeah. Anyway, Dan, thanks for being on. You want the rest of your podcast review? Oh yeah, I do want that actually. Yeah, go for it. Okay. So it was after I was just like, Oh, I'm going to listen to a podcast. So I listened to big blue banter and it was after the NFL Combine. They were giving their Giants thoughts and talking about how the Giants said that they were not trading Kadarius Toney. It was so good to hear that.

It was true at the time. But Dan spent the first, I'd say, 15 to 20 minutes talking about all the restaurants he visited in San Antonio. He talked about... The people like hearing it. It was only about five minutes. But it was like the guy, the names of the people he played poker with, food reviews.

So you made the people wait a little while, Dad. You made the people wait a little while for the goods. Listen, that connects us with... You know all about this, Adam. You are a pro at this. You got to connect with the people wait a little while, Dan. You made the people wait a little while for the goods. Listen, that connects us with it. You know all about this, Adam. You are a pro at this. You've got to connect with the people. You have to hit people on a personal level. It was a very good show.

And if you are a Giants fan, you should listen to the Big Blue Banter podcast. All right. Which I have not, by the way, been asked to come on, which is shocking to me. But whatever. We'll get you on. We'll get you on soon. Also, both of you share something in common. I recommended tremendous movies to both of you.

Neither of you have watched it. You both promised to watch it. Dan actually started the movie, loved it, loved it, and then stopped. It's terrible to start a movie and stop. I'm going to have to restart it now, by the way, when I do finally decide to watch it. I don't know what it is a movie and stop. There's so many, I'm going to have to restart it now, by the way, when I do finally decide to watch it. Yeah.

I don't know what it is with me in movies. I'm good at watching TV shows with movies. I'm like, Oh, this is such a commitment. Two and a half hours of the team, but then I'll end up watching two episodes of a TV show. Right.

It's the same time. It makes no sense. So for Dave, he has to watch taken. And for Dan, he has to watch matchstick men. Both are great. And I recommend for you,

Wolf of wall street. That is a three and a half hour movie, I think. I mean, that is like way too long. It's damn good. All right, fine. It is good. I've seen that one. All right.

I'm sure it's good. Leo doesn't miss. I did watch The Batman this weekend. Yeah, I want to see that. Oh, how was it? I was entertained. Are you not entertained? I want to see it.

I watched Licorice pizza yeah i saw them in theaters you did yeah oh it's good right pretty good yeah so you made the time commitment for licorice pizza right and the coming attractions and the trip to the theater and all that uh do you know what licorice pizza is why it was called licorice pizza no i have no idea licorice pizza is? Why it was called licorice pizza? No, I have no idea. Licorice pizza is what apparently they used to call vinyl records because they look like pizza and licorice, you know? And licorice pizza was the name of a record store in California,

in the Valley, like in the 70s when the movie set. Well, anyway, that has been Movie Talk with Dave and Dan. We'll talk to you tomorrow. We're going to talk about the veteran players that have the most to gain and most to lose based on the NFL draft. Thanks a lot to Ryan Wilson for coming on as well. Have a great day, everybody.