Fantasy Football Today - Players With Wide Draft Ranges; Offensive Line Talk; Mailbag (06/09 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: June 9, 2022Buy some FFT stuff here (use promo code FANTASYFOOTBALL20): https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20 We start the show with an offensive line that got much better and a couple... that have gotten worse. Then we have some quick rankings debates (4:35)! Antonio Gibson vs. J.K. Dobbins. Allen Robinson vs. Darnell Mooney ... News and notes (10:50) with a lot of Rams news and a case for Sammy Watkins as the best Packers WR. And let's talk about players with wide ranges of draft value. You might see these players taken fairly early in your drafts or you may see them slide. We talk Javonte Williams (18:15), Saquon Barkley/Cam Akers (22:00), Tee Higgins/Jaylen Waddle (29:40), Breece Hall (33:40), Michael Thomas (35:40), Antonio Gibson/Josh Jacobs/Eli Mitchell (36:50) and a trio of running backs who have a lot to gain and/or lose during training camp (42:00) ... Breaking down the offensive lines (45:30)! We tell you which teams had the best and worst lines last season, what it meant for Fantasy and which teams have gotten significantly better or worse in 2022 ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com and your Apple Podcast questions (1:05:35)Â Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Today on Fantasy Football Today, it is a happy Thursday for you.
We don't have a Friday episode, so happy Thursday to everybody out there.
How many more times are you going to say day?
Holy moly.
Yeah, I know, right?
Well, I guess we could put a little counter on.
See, do an over-under, whatever you want.
You could make more work for yourself.
No, you'd have to do it.
Javante Williams.
We're done here.
In 65 drafts, or 64 drafts since May 1st,
Javante Williams is going as early as 6th and as late as 25th. That's a much bigger range than the running backs being drafted around him.
Saquon Barkley going as early as 10th, as late as 36th.
How about Michael Thomas?
As early as 24th,
as late as 111th.
Yeah, so Damian Harris,
37th to 103rd.
So we'll see what we can get out of this information.
We're also going to talk about offensive lines.
Dave, give me one offensive line
that got a lot better this offseason.
The most obvious one is Cincinnati.
They basically gutted their three.
They gutted three-fifths of their offensive line
and replaced it with quality players.
Ted Karras, Alex Kappa, Lyle Collins.
They might have a top five offensive line next year,
which is scary when you think about the rest of that offense.
And scary when you consider they had arguably a bottom five offensive line.
Let's say bottom ten.
Let's call it top ten.
Top ten.
Okay, okay.
But it was bottom five, bottom ten last year.
It wasn't good.
So big improvement there.
Give me one offensive line that got worse.
I would say the 49ers have gotten worse the interior of their line
is now either unproven or graded poorly alex mack just retired not that mack was amazing
but he just retired they also lost one of their guards um they've got banks brendel and brunskill
on their interior line as of now those Those are their guards in their center.
The killer bees who might kill the 49ers run game.
Yeah, and I'll say the Rams as well, staying in that division.
Andrew Whitworth retiring.
It's actually the whole division.
It's really amazing when you look at all four of the offensive lines
in the NFC West.
I actually had a talk yesterday about the Seahawks line
with noted Seahawks
fan slash analyst scott engel and scott tried to make the case that the seattle offensive line is
better than it was last year because they improved the interior of their line but they've got two
rookies starting at tackle um so i'm not as convinced that that seattle offensive line is
going to be any good but yeah yeah, San Francisco's bad.
Arizona's old.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Let's say San Francisco's bad.
San Francisco may have gotten worse, but they were really, really good last year,
and they still have the best left tackle in football
in some people's opinion.
They do.
The interior line, though, is a mess,
and it's a good time to be Aaron Donald.
All right, so a good time to be Heath Cummings.
Celtics take a 2-1 lead, and now the whole thing is tainted.
There will be an asterisk because if Steph Curry even plays,
we know he's not going to be healthy.
So it's going to be a tainted championship.
For sure, because every other championship that's ever been won,
both teams were 100% at the start of the series
and 100% at the finish of the series.
Right. at the start of the series and 100% at the finish of the series. I will admit
that last night, if you're
not a Celtics fan, was not a very good game.
They just dominated the first quarter
and then held the lead the rest of the game.
Draymond made me mad online
and then I made a bunch of other people mad online
with what I said, so I apologize.
I didn't see what you said, but I will say
that for me, it's a constant battle
between my intense hatred
for Boston sports
and my intense hatred
for Draymond Green.
And I don't know
which one's going to win out
every day.
Maybe you just shouldn't watch.
No, no.
It's fun.
It's fun basketball.
They're playing really hard
and the Celtics are just kind of
bruisers and different team.
And then, you know,
obviously even when the Warriors lose,
they're fun to watch.
So it's good stuff.
It's true.
All right.
So we got all these things to talk about today,
but I do want to start out with a new segment.
You've heard of 60-second rankings disputes.
These are 120-second ranking disputes.
I'll give you a little bit more time.
I just have two rankings disputes.
We're going to do a running back one and a wide receiver one.
Let me get your thoughts on Antonio Gibson versus J.K. Dobbins.
Two minutes on the clock.
Go, Heath.
And not two minutes each.
Two minutes total.
Go, Heath.
Yeah, I will take J.K. Dobbins because I think he's in a better offense.
I think he's a better running back.
I think his touchdown upside is higher.
And I am not of the belief that he's going to start the season.
He'll start training camp on the pup, but I don't think he's going to start the season. He'll start training camp on the pup,
but I don't think he's going to start the season on the pup.
And Antonio Gibson comes with plenty of his own injury risk.
I am very concerned by the level of competition that Gibson has for touches.
And I know Edwards is going to share and Lamar Jackson's going to take 30% of
the rush attempts, but I am more concerned for Gibson than Dobbins.
At least Gibson is healthy now. And when he does share, we know that he's probably not going to be
on third downs. And maybe we over blew the whole idea of Brian Robinson coming in and taking
significant work away from Antonio Gibson. And if you want to talk about touchdown upside,
Gibson scored double digit touchdowns each of his first two years in the league. I know that
the metrics on him are not very pretty, but he's still going to have opportunity, at least to begin
the season, to be the primary running back for Washington. I think they think their offensive
line is better. Some people I've heard that believe that their offensive line will be better
than it was last year. I'm a little skeptical of it. I think Gibson's a good football player. I
don't think he's a great football player, and I think his ADP is actually a nice value right now. I would rather take him than Dobbins
because Dobbins might get 50% of the total carries in Baltimore. Could be a lot, but he's going to
need touchdowns in order to come through. Kind of like Gibson, but Gibson's done it two years in a
row. All right, next up we have two players who were teammates once upon a time, and now we will compare them in the rankings.
Allen Robinson, who will be 29 years old this season,
versus Darnell Mooney, who will be 25 years old this season.
I just want to give a little bit of context here,
because obviously they were on the same team,
and Mooney was better last year,
but in the first nine games of the season,
before Allen Robinson's injury, the targets were pretty similar.
Just, you know, here are the numbers.
Robinson had 30 catches, 339 yards,
and a touchdown on 50 targets.
Mooney had 36 catches, that's six more.
450 yards, that's 111 more yards,
and two touchdowns compared to one on 59 targets.
So the targets were fairly close,
only nine more for Mooney,
but he was a lot better.
I just wanted to point that out
because you look at the full season numbers,
I like to look at those first nine games
before Robinson got hurt.
Anyway, who would you rather have,
Dave, Allen Robinson, or Darnell Mooney?
I've talked a lot about Allen Robinson's
projected role in LA
and how it could lead to over 120 targets and double-digit touchdowns.
And I think that's upside that Darnell Mooney just does not have. Mooney can be the number
one receiver in Chicago. I'm not sure that's going to be such a great thing. I don't know
how much I really believe in the Chicago offense coming into a new coaching staff,
new offensive system. I hear Fields is killing it at OTAs. That's cool. We'll see how he does against top competition.
And Mooney, is he going to get the same type of target share
that he got from Andy Dalton with Justin Fields?
Is his catch rate going to go up?
Because his catch rate with Justin Fields last year was below 55%.
I think he's got upside.
I just think Robinson, I don't think what we saw from Robinson last year
is the real Robinson.
I think the target volume will be good for him,
and I think he'll be able to come through as a top 24 receiver, Robinson will.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think he'll be close in targets between Mooney and Robinson.
One of them has to deal with Cooper Cup, and one of them doesn't.
And I think Mooney's going to be more efficient than Allen Robinson is
on a per-target basis.
So I've got him probably 10 spots apart.
The only thing I see in Robinson's favor is he's
on a better offense. It's going to have more passing stats, but he's going to have such a
smaller chunk of those stats than Mooney is that I'll take Mooney and the upset.
Last season, the Rams threw for 1,258 more yards than the Bears and 25 more touchdowns.
So you got to figure that gap narrows a little bit, right?
You should get better quarterback play from the Bears and maybe not.
I'm going to say not as prolific from the Rams.
So hopefully things, you know, get a little bit, go a little bit closer in that regard.
But 25 more touchdown passes last year for the Rams compared to the Bears.
That's crazy.
Man, I won those debates so convincingly that Dave just left.
No,
it's Dave's hopping off just to reset his connection real quick.
A little choppy,
unbelievable.
Um,
not his fault.
Just does not matter where he goes.
Cursed.
He's cursed.
Okay.
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Hey, Dave.
What's up, dude?
Sound much better.
Dudes.
There you go.
There you go.
So I sounded bad for the most important part of the show,
debating Heath.
Yeah.
No, you didn't sound bad.
We understood everything you said. Yeahath yeah no you didn't sound bad we understood everything
you said yeah yeah i didn't i mean you're wrong but besides that that was just that i know i'm not
all right news and notes matthew stafford says he'll be ready to throw during training camp he
didn't say at the beginning of training camp, but he said during training camp. And Cooper Cup wore a Matthew Stafford jersey
as they announced his three-year,
$80 million extension, $75 million guaranteed.
Daryl Henderson, more Rams news,
has a soft tissue injury,
and rookie running back Kyron Williams
broke his foot.
Broke his foot.
Yeah, now the way I'm laughing
is because I wrote he broke his football instead of his foot. I wish he broke his football. Yeah, now the way I'm laughing is because I wrote he broke his football instead of his foot.
I wish he broke his football.
Yeah, it's not funny.
I'm sorry, Kyron.
No, it's not funny.
It was insensitive.
But the good news is for Kyron Williams,
rookie out of Notre Dame, past catching back,
he's expected to return for training camp.
Is there anything we want to say about this cup extension?
Stafford says he's going to be ready at some point during camp.
Daryl Henderson injured.
Kyron Williams injured.
Heath, you have an overall Rams take right now?
No.
I don't think any of these things.
Like the Kyron Williams thing
is probably good news for Daryl Henderson.
And Daryl Henderson perpetually
has soft tissue injuries.
Okay. All right.
I wonder if their run game
is going to be just as big of a mess
as it was to end last season.
And if that's the case,
then that's going to be really, really cool
for Stafford.
Rest that shoulder, Matthew.
You're going to need a lot this year.
You're going to be throwing a lot.
Najee Harris could have his workload reduced.
In fact, he said he will come off the field more.
Okay. Okay.
Sure.
I'm a little nervous about Najee.
Because the efficiency wasn't great last year,
and if he doesn't get 399 touches, you're going to...
Well, and he's got a new quarterback
and kind of not a new offensive coordinator,
but a new guy accepting the calls and calling them in the huddle.
He's got an offensive coordinator who's calling the plays
that he wants to call instead of deferring to the quarterback.
Presumably a quarterback who can throw the ball more than 10 yards.
I'm a little worried that the target volume really shrinks.
Yeah, I could see that being a legit worry but i i feel like we got to lean on
what we know about tomlin and his teams through the years and when they've got a guy at running
back they ride that guy and so fine maybe he doesn't play 75 of the snaps every single week
and i don't know what his snap team might have been lower than that last year for all i know
but he's going to see all the high value touches in that offense and he's going to see work on top
of that and they'd be foolish not to keep them involved in the passing game and the offensive
line got better I do still have him at number six at running back but in the projections he is closer
to RB 12 than he is to RB4.
Najee Harris played, you know,
really depended on the day, but
here are his snap shares.
100%, 95, 95, 80,
65, 84, 84, 82,
87, 75, 58,
97, 96, 100,
78, 96, 53.
So, 85 or more,
or 84 or more most weeks for Najee Harris.
So could they get away with pulling him on second and 10?
Or other random situations where he just doesn't,
they're not going to need a dynamic three-down player running back.
They just put in somebody else.
They put in Benny Snell.
That's how they lower his snap share.
Yeah, for the year, like all things told,
he played 84% of their offensive snaps.
That's a lot.
I don't know if I can find that,
but I would guess that is amongst the highest for running backs.
So, yeah, I mean, the question is,
do his touches go down the same amount that his snaps do?
I'm pretty sure I can tell you overall snaps for a running back.
I don't know if I can tell you a percentage.
Maybe I can.
They don't really have great running back depth.
So I don't know.
This report here that he even said,
Najee Harris said that he's going to be off the field a little bit more.
I don't know if he said a little bit, but he said he's not going to play
as many snaps. Does it matter?
Does it matter for fantasy?
It makes me slightly more nervous,
but there's nobody behind him I'm going to put in front of him.
He led the NFL 83.5%
of snaps.
Oh my goodness.
Do you know who number two was among running backs?
Derek Henry.
No.
Well, I didn't know if that was per game.
Honestly.
I don't think it is per game.
But he probably doesn't play.
You could probably correctly guess who this is.
It's Jonathan Taylor.
But do you know the percentage?
72.
Lower. Lower.
Which means, if it's
69.3%, which means Najee
Harris was playing almost
15% more of the snaps than the number
two guy. I get
the Steelers' point. Maybe they do want to try
and learn from that a little bit. And that makes me more
nervous. But I don't know
because what is he really going to lose?
Maybe some catches? He loses empty plays and maybe a handful of catches. but I don't know because what is he really going to lose maybe he loses
empty plays
and maybe a handful
of catches
all right
let's go to our next
how about that
item here
Mitchell Trubisky
is the number one
quarterback during
minicamp according to
DK Pittsburgh sports
Mason Rudolph
number two
Kenny Pickett
number three
Baltimore
it's got to work
his way up
I ran a Twitter poll
earlier in the offseason
who plays more snaps this year start who starts more games this year Trubisky Kenny Pickett, number three. It's got to work his way up. I ran a Twitter poll earlier in the offseason.
Who plays more snaps this year?
Who starts more games this year?
Trubisky, Marcus Mariota, or Sam Darnold?
Oh, that's a great poll.
I think I would have voted for Mariota.
Yeah, Mariota.
Yeah, who won?
I don't remember.
Okay, back to business here. Good won? I don't remember. Okay.
Back to business here.
Good stuff.
Thank you, Heath.
Baltimore expects Lamar Jackson to report to mandatory minicamp next week.
Saquon Barkley says he's starting to get his swagger back.
He said he lost confidence in his right knee after he tore his ACL and meniscus in 2020.
So I've talked about how since his ankle injury in 20, was that 2019?
It really hasn't been that great, but, uh, this is an encouraging report.
And we're going to talk about him in a little bit. So Saquon Barkley, Sammy Watkins will be a big part of the green Bay offense.
According to Matt LaFleur, what chance do you give Sammy Watkins of leading the team
in receiving?
That would be a bad year for green Bay.
Uh, 7%. I don't like. in receiving? That would be a bad year for Green Bay.
7%. I don't...
I think it's higher than that.
Like 8?
No. There's nobody
who should be
expected to lead the Green Bay Packers
in receiving.
Yeah. That's fair.
There's not a...
I guess Alan Lazar... I don't hate the alan lazar i think i don't i don't hate
the one jamie's prediction by the way was receptions not receptions yeah not receiving
yards um i i think it's probably something like 15 to 20 percent for sammy and remandre stevenson
is focused on route running and being a third down back. He had 14 catches in 12 games last year.
He had 10 in a four-game stretch.
But James White is back.
So that's obviously a guy who's been a pretty damn good third down back.
Now, to the topic.
Yeah, we don't know how long he'll be back for.
It could be just like this could be his last year.
Who knows?
Marcus Mariota won the poll.
Hey, there you go.
Thank you for looking.
I tried to find it myself.
I couldn't find it.
To the topic du jour, players with,
I don't even really know the best title,
wide ranges of draft value, as in they could go.
Gaps, draft gaps.
Draft gaps, okay.
Players with big draft gaps.
That make sense?
No.
How would you say it then?
Players we don't agree on. No no that's not it at all the industry has no idea where they should be drafted there are certain players who are drafted in a very tight range because the industry
has come to an agreement this is where they belong that agreement has not happened with
these players so consensus list players okay it's not bad player i like big gaps
players with big draft gaps i like big gaps i cannot lie
players with big draft gaps oh i would love to hear the parody of that i like big gaps in Canada. Since May 1st,
there have been 64 drafts
on NFC, high-stakes
leagues. I gotta write that.
Not including quarterbacks, because
quarterbacks really depends on your draft.
I didn't
even consider quarterbacks here. They're always going to have
big ranges.
I kind of grouped these guys together.
Actually, Javante Williams, to me, is in a group of his grouped these guys together, but actually Javante Williams to
me is in a group of his own. So the earliest we've seen Javante Williams go is sixth in these 64
drafts. And the latest is 25th. Now, if you look at Dalvin Cook and Joe Mixon, they are going,
the earliest we've seen them go is seventh. And the latest is 14th for Cook and 16th for Mixon. DeAndre Swift, earliest is eighth.
Latest is 19th.
Javante, earliest was sixth and the latest was 25th
and his ADP is 14th.
So yeah, I thought that was pretty interesting.
Some people, I guess, I don't know how many,
but still buy into him as a true breakout.
Others more cautious, but really I thought 25
as the lowest for Javante cautious, but really I thought 25 as the lowest
for Javante Williams was higher than I expected. I thought he'd be easily around 30 in a lot of
drafts. I am wondering how many players this will be the case on, but I actually do not have
Javante Williams ranked within the range. Where you have him ranked? 28thth and he went 27th in the first draft we did after the nfl draft
and melvin gordon had resigned at that point melvin gordon resigned just before the nfl draft
so yeah big gap there do you think giovante should be closer to six or 25 i know what he says
i agree with heath i think he should be closer to 25 the the heart wants him at six we love the
talent we love what we saw from him last year he was more explosive than melvin gordon he's more
fun than melvin gordon but the brain says well he's gonna split carries because the broncos are
gonna be smart about how they use their running backs and maybe it won't be 50 50 maybe it'll be
60 40 that's still not great and the whole broncos offense is going to be totally different this year because hello
russell wilson's there so i i know that we want to take him and if you just can't help yourself
you gotta take him then round two i guess is when you take giovante williams but it'll feel kind of
reachy i i might not be able to help myself either. When it's late round two, I love the talent.
Maybe I really need a running back.
Maybe running backs went fast off the board.
I would take Javante Williams in late round two.
I'd prefer to get him in round three.
I'd prefer to get him in round 12.
But late round two, I think if you wanted to get him,
you could make the case that he's worth it then
if running backs are just flying.
Okay, how about Saquon Barkley and Cam Akers?
Saquon Barkley going as early as 10th, as late as 36th.
Cam Akers, 13th is his earliest and 42nd is his latest.
Again, this is 64 drafts since May 1st.
Barkley, earliest is 10th, latest is 36th.
Akers is 13th, and the latest is 42nd for Cam Akers.
Is either Barkley or Akers a guy that you could see
being justifiable as a top 15 pick at some point?
We obviously need to see a lot more,
but do you think that at some point in draft season,
we might be seeing an ADp around 15th or so
i'm not going to call it 10th or 13th but around 15th or so for barkley and acres what do you think
yeah 100 it's like i don't think that they're going to get there as an average draft position
but i think they could 100 justify it um barkley is someone I'm I might become the Staquan Barkley guy.
I've got him.
I've just I'm becoming
more convinced that maybe
he wasn't quite 100%
last year and that's why
we didn't have the
explosiveness and now
it's back.
I they have not added
anybody to share with
him.
It's Matt Brita and
Gary Brightwell and
Antonio Williams.
So I think he's going to get a big share of the work.
And none of their wide receivers are available to practice
because they're all hurt.
And they've all got a pretty extensive history of being hurt,
and they don't have a tight end to speak of.
And their offensive line got better, and their play caller got better.
The question that I wanted to ask you guys is,
what would it take for you?
What do you need to see to feel better about both of these guys?
And it's two separate conversations, but it might be this.
Maybe it's not two separate conversations.
Maybe it's the same answer for both.
I liked what I heard from Saquon this week
about how he's feeling more like himself.
And Heath, you're right.
Maybe he just wasn't quite fully healthy,
and maybe coaches knew it last year.
He definitely looked tentative at times when he was running,
and I remember talking about it with you, Adam.
Was it because he was tentative,
or was it because the offensive line wasn't opening things for him?
Was it both?
So the case could be made for Saquon,
but it's always going to come back to, well, can he stay healthy?
Because he's been so beat up over the past couple of years.
He can be optimistic, and he can feel like his old self, and he could even be put into a great situation
where he could catch 20% of the catches like running backs tend to do in Dables' offenses
when it hasn't been Josh Allen running the show, but he could also still get hurt again,
and that's going to be an elevated risk that you have to take with Saquon.
That makes me more encouraged to take him above this end of range, but I'm not there to take him in round one.
And I don't know how good I'd feel about taking him in round two.
Maybe there's a point where I'd get to taking him ahead of Javante, but I'm not there yet.
And I feel like I would just need to see, and I'm sure we will see more positive reports about Saquon Barkley between now and the start
of the season, watching him in the preseason. I don't think we see it first of all. And even if
we did, I don't know how much that would matter, but that's the exact same thing that we need to
see, or at least I need to see from cam makers. I'm not ready to buy back in cam makers because
he looked terrible when we saw him in the playoffs.
And I want to see reports about Cam Akers looking spry.
He's looking like his old self.
He's feeling like his old self.
And he's an injury risk too, just like Saquon Barkley.
But I think maybe because he's younger, I feel like it's less of an injury risk.
And the fact that he came back already from the Achilles makes me feel a little bit better about him not suffering a minor injury based on his recovery from that injury, if you
catch what I'm saying. I don't think that I look at Cam Akers as an injury risk. I look at him as
a guy who had an injury, and we don't know how long it takes to get back to... If you get back.
Yeah, from the Achilles. But I think that the fact
that he was able to return
during the season,
the fact that James Robinson
appears to be making some progress,
that's a little vague.
Jacksonville thinks he'll be back
by training camp.
The fact that Kevin Durant,
I know this is a different sport,
but Kevin Durant plays at an MVP level
after an Achilles injury
when that used to be a death sentence.
Obviously, medicine keeps getting better and better.
He's completely different than Barkley.
Barkley's had so many injuries. He had an ankle injury. He came better. He's completely different than Barkley. Barkley's had so many
injuries. He had an ankle injury. He came back.
He suffered a different ankle injury, and he
played through it. He had the torn ACL.
He got hurt last year, so he gets
hurt all the time. I think he got hurt his first
year in the league. He sure did. He
hurt his ribs in, I think, his second game.
I believe, I'm trying to look it up
now, I believe he had a small track record of
injuries in college,
and it might not have been so small.
Barkley, to me, has been one of the most injury-prone running backs for the last three years.
So, I don't know.
I put them in different classes, but, yeah, I just, man,
Akers is in such a better offense.
That's the thing.
There's just going to be, this is the time where there's so much optimism,
and I just feel like buying into Barkley is like one of my worst draft picks
last year was Barkley in the second round
and in the RFFT
league and I just
feel like it's going to be a trap again
but I guess I'm starting to feel better about him in the third round
if it's 30th overall
and they're both there
you're taking acres
as of now ahead of Saquon
as of now ahead of Saquon?
As of right now, yes. You can change this answer.
Yes.
I think that Akers
is going to be their lead guy.
I think Henderson
is going to have a pretty...
I think he's going to be
their lead guy.
I don't think...
I don't currently expect him
to get the same percentage
of the touches for the Rams
that Barkley does for the
giants.
I definitely don't think he has any,
like,
I don't think,
I'm not sure he has half the target upside that Saquon does.
Agreed.
So it's much closer in non PPR that is in full PPR,
but acres is another guy who I've got outside of the range that he's been
drafted.
And I've got about 44.
I'm just not sure that the,
and again, we've talked about this in the past with Sean
McVay, his offensive philosophy is not stagnant at all. It changes within the season. It changes
from season to season. He's been one of the, in the past we had the Todd Gurley years. We had the
Tyler Higbee month. We had the, the year where they spread targets around better than anybody else,
and it was completely even.
So we don't necessarily know what's to come.
But I don't think this is going to be a running back-centric offense at all.
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I don't even know what that was, Dave.
We're back from break here.
What was that?
I like big gaps and I cannot lie.
Your ADP can't deny.
I don't have anything else.
That's what I got right now.
Okay, T. Higgins
and Jalen Waddell
have pretty big draft ranges.
Higgins, 21st
is his earliest spot
and 47th,
the latest we've seen him go
in these 64 drafts
since May 1st.
Jalen Waddell, 23rd to 51st. Very similar to Higgins. Higgins, 21st is. Jalen Waddell, 23rd to 51st.
Very similar to Higgins.
Higgins, 21st is his earliest.
Waddell, 23rd.
Higgins, latest, 47th.
Waddell, 51st.
Man, when's the earliest you would take Jalen Waddell?
23rd is wacky.
When was the earliest you guys would take Jalen Waddell?
40.
I've got him ranked 46th.
I think if I'm in a three receiver,
full PPR, no flex league,
maybe I'd go a little higher than that.
Maybe I'd put him in that 40 spot like he has him.
I think there are a lot of guys
that are going to be on this list
where you can say,
oh yeah, I see why there would be a wide range here.
And 23rd to 51st isn't really that big of a range when you look at some
of the guys later in the draft but compared to the other players going around higgins and waddle
they did stand out but i don't i don't really know why waddle would have such a big range
you know um yeah no i think i think i do okay um for one thing he was what the sixth overall
pick in the nfl draft and just caught a hundred passes for a thousand yards as a rookie and so
people could be very excited that year two is going to be even better and jaylen wattle is going
to be awesome and for the other thing people could think two is not that good and tyaddell is going to be awesome. And for the other thing, people could think two is not that good.
And Tyree kill is going to steal the target share.
So I don't even want Jalen Waddell on my team.
And also it only takes one person to draft him there for that to be his,
his minimum.
Right.
So,
right.
There's a,
but his ADP is pretty close to the middle.
It's 35.
Assuming no injuries,
what chances are higher that Sammy Watkins leads the
Packers in receiving or Jalen
Waddle leads the Dolphins in receiving?
In receiving yards?
Waddle.
Great question. Oh my god.
I think I'd say
Waddle too, but that's just because
hold on, you're saying assuming no injuries
I mean, Watkins can't get hurt either. No, I think I might have to give it to Watkins then because waddle too but that's just because well hold on you're saying assuming no injuries i mean watkins
can't get hurt either no i think i might have to give it to watkins then because now we're assuming
that he's playing a full season tyreek's playing a full season everybody's healthy uh i think you
could see watkins get more yards than waddle i think that's where i'd land right now well no it
was it was who was more likely to lead their team in receiving,
not who has more yards.
Well, what do you mean by lead their team in receiving yards?
Receiving yards.
Yeah, who leads their team in receiving yards?
What did I say?
Watkins could have more yards than Waddle.
Oh, yeah.
I don't really think that's possible.
Okay, that's a different question then.
I was thinking about it differently because I'm an idiot.
Right.
I think it's underrated.
I think it's underrated, the connection that Tua and Waddle have
and that they've played together.
And it's possible that Waddle still leads the team in targets.
I think it's possible too, which is why I think you could make the case
for Waddle, don't draft make the case for Waddle.
Don't draft Tyreek, draft Waddle.
Because Waddle's role from last year got him what he got,
and he can still fulfill that duty and pick up 100 catches in 1,100 yards.
But what we're hoping for with Waddle is that he also manages to pick up more downfield work.
We're hoping Tua develops as a downfield thrower.
And if he does, then this offense will be a lot of fun.
And both Tua and Waddle will be worth,
or both Tyreek and Waddle, excuse me,
would be outstanding to have.
Another player going in that same range,
but with a much bigger gap,
much bigger discrepancy in his early and late picks,
is Brees Hall.
22nd is the earliest he's gone. 56th is the latest for Brees Hall. And that, you know,
that makes sense. I think, I mean, I know, look, the earliest though is going to be a little too
early, I think for a lot of these guys, but you know, no one's taking Brees Hall at 22nd overall,
but no, I bet you will see people. I think I took Brees Hall early in round three
at one point.
Now I've got him 41st.
I've got a pretty big range on where I've ranked.
That's what I'd like to see.
When we get to July or August,
who has the widest range of
where we have ranked them
throughout the offseason?
You're going to have to do that yourself.
We'll never be able to do that. We don't keep our archives of every rankings change we make.
Well, Brees Hall makes sense, right?
So do you think he should be closer to 22nd or 56th?
I think he'll end up closer to 22nd.
I think he's in that round three range.
There's going to be at least two or three managers in every league
that get excited about Brees Hall and will ignore
my pleas about, well, he's going to split and it's the Jets and this
offense isn't that great. And they'll hope that he just turns into
the next great rookie running. They hope he turns into Najee.
And I don't know if he's got that. I don't know if he can do that. But I do think he's worth a
round three pick just on the hope.
Taking him in round two is someone who thinks that he's going to be the next Najee.
Okay.
I think he's better than Najee, but I don't think he's going to get near as many touches.
I'm not sure if he's better than Najee.
And I know he's not as good of an offense as Najee.
Oh.
Four running backs.
Four running backs, yeah.
Okay, yeah. I think the Jets offense
is going to be better than Steelers this year.
Ooh.
I am nervous about both.
Ooh, yeah, they both, yeah.
Yeah, it could be a draw by the time the season ends.
Michael Thomas.
I actually think it might be okay for them.
Zip, zip.
Michael Thomas, 24th is his earliest,
and 111th is the latest for Michael Thomas.
What league is letting him go that far?
Let me check his ADP real quick here.
Michael Thomas, his ADP is 73rd.
So maybe people just don't really know
what to do with Michael Thomas right now,
understandably so.
Should he be closer to 23rd or
24th or 111th?
Go on, Heath.
I have him almost right in the middle.
I've got him 64th.
I think, but he's somebody who there's been lots
of
happenings since May 1st.
Yeah.
The Jarvis Landry thing,
the report that he's not 100 healthy thing the video of him
running thing like his his adp is going to continue to have a wide range and swing
if he shows up and he's on the pup list at the start of camp oh good gosh that's trouble
but if he shows up at training camp and he's fine and there's footage every day of him running
precise routes and all kinds of good compliments about him,
then I think you'll see him closer to where I've got him ranked,
and he's right around 40th overall for me.
Okay, how about this group of running backs?
Antonio Gibson, Josh Jacobs, and Eli Mitchell.
Mitchell has the biggest gap.
Why am I giggling about this?
I don't know. gap. Why am I giggling about this? Antonio Gibson,
26th is his earliest, and
64th.
Josh Jacobs, 27th to
66th. That's been his draft range.
And Eli Mitchell, 30th,
the earliest Mitchell's been taken.
79th. Almost 50 picks.
30th to 79th.
Antonio Gibson, Josh Jacobs.
49 picks for the 49er.
Yeah, that's actually pretty cool.
Gibson's ADP is 41st.
Jacobs is 44th.
And Mitchell's is 54th.
But these guys, you could see Antonio Gibson, Josh Jacobs, and Eli Mitchell.
They went to the third round in some leagues.
And they went to the sixth round, the seventh round in some leagues.
We have another winner.
What?
Josh Jacobs, outside of the range that he's been drafted.
I've got him 26th.
Ah.
And his early was 27th.
Okay.
So Mitchell and – man, Jacobs.
Why do you think people – let's start with Jacobs.
Why do you think people are like that on Jacobs?
Because I get it with Mitchell and Gibson.
Is it just we don't know what the past passing downs
role will be or what I think that's where it starts for both guys and with I think with
I think Jacobs loses that passing downs role just knowing the track record of of Josh McDaniels and
his offenses in in New England yes the past, there have been occasions
where they've had one guy handling lots of the work.
But I definitely don't think that that's going to be the case now.
They brought in – Abdullah's there now, right?
And they drafted Zemir White, and Drake is still there.
And I think that there's enough talent there.
And Brandon Bolton's there.
There's enough talent there where they can find somebody to take some of that work off of Jacobs
and not overwork him and make him a three-down guy when he's barely been a three-down guy over the course of his career.
So he'll be a rushing-downs guy on a team that just added Devontae Adams
and has fully embraced the idea of Derek Carr piloting the offense to hopefully, for them,
places they've never been before.
So they could end up being a very pass-friendly offense,
which means Jacobs is going to have to get it done
with touchdowns.
He's done that before,
but I don't know how many games there's going to be
where Jacobs gets 20 touches
and kind of leads the way for the Raiders.
He's a sneaky good bet
to lead the NFL in rushing touchdowns.
Well, in 2020,
he only caught 33 passes in 15 games.
And per game, he was RB11 in non-PPR
and RB13 in full PPR.
And he scored 12 touchdowns.
So that, you know, it would have to be that.
It's not like he's going to be a 10 catch.
He's not going to be Damian Harris.
He'll have some catches, but yeah, I don't know.
He's probably going to end up being underrated,
but not picking up his fifth year option.
And they still have Kenyon Drake.
So I guess, I don't know.
I don't really see him.
They have a lot of people,
but like we're talking about Brandon Bolden and Amir Abdullah.
These guys are not anywhere.
And even Kenyon Drake is not in Josh Jacobs' stratosphere
in terms of talent and pedigree.
True, but they're at least serviceable.
They can at least get the job done as far as third down work goes.
Yeah, but I don't think he has that much downside.
I mean, we compare him to Gibson and Mitchell.
Who has the most downside in that group?
Gibson, Jacobs, Mitchell.
Mitchell.
I think it's Mitchell.
Who has the most upside?
Gibson.
Gibson for Dave, Jacobs for Heath.
I just can't imagine what would cause somebody to let josh jacobs fall out of the fourth round like i can understand i'm too hot too high on him compared
to everybody else in round three but josh jacobs falling past pick 48 yeah well it's good if you
can get it that well that's the one thing I'm wondering about all these gaps that we're talking about
is that all it took was like one wacky draft out of 60-something drafts
for Michael Thomas to fall after pick 100 or Jacobs to fall out of round four.
But his ADP is in the 70s, Michael Thomas, so that's why I did bring it up.
He's obviously going pretty late in some drafts.
And Jacobs' ADP is like 42, did you say?
Yeah, something like that.
So he's out of the round four quite often.
So maybe for him, it's more like it's rare for
maybe it was one Nick who took him
early. I don't know what the early range
is on the ADP or on the gap, but
27. Yeah, so
someone took him at 27, and that
was the anomaly.
Not really.
I mean, the
Was it you, Heath? The adp is pretty much in the middle
all right let's just do one more group of players here how about
ken walker clyde edwards z lair and mile sanders they're going anywhere from 49th
basically let's just say they're all around 50 with their earlies
and 110th with their lates.
Ken Walker, Clyde Edwards-Ziller, and Miles Sanders.
So do you think these are three players
who could have big-time swings in their average draft position
over the next couple of months?
Ken Walker, Clyde Edwards-Ziller, Miles Sanders.
Yes, all three.
There's plenty of things that can happen
that can help or hurt all three of them
with their pre-draft ADP.
But I also think they're all three excellent values.
But what could help or hurt Clyde or Sanders?
For Walker, it's obvious.
He's the guy, you know.
Right.
Rashad Penny wakes up and all of a sudden has like three broken knees.
No, forget that.
I'm not going to play the injury game here because that obviously would.
But, you know, it's just a bunch of reports.
Too unrealistic in football.
I know.
I'm just saying that could change for anyone.
Ronald Jones gets hurt, you know, whatever.
But Ken Walker, a bunch of reports.
Ken Walker's killing it. He's going to be
the lead back. They love him. He's going to be in the passing game, whatever
it might be. I don't think he's going to be in the passing game, but
I could see him going,
shooting up in the rankings.
But Clyde Edwards-Ziller
and Miles Sanders, what could change
between now and then
that would really change their ADPs?
Nick Sirianni says we've got to
get Kenneth Gainwell more involved. He's looked like a star inPs. Nick Sirianni says, we've got to get Kenneth Gainwell more involved.
He's looked like a star in camp.
Nick Sirianni says,
we've got to make sure that Jalen Hurts protects himself,
and we're going to make sure that he doesn't run nearly as much
unless it's, you know,
we'll selectively choose when Jalen Hurts decides to run.
I think it'd be silly for saying something like that, but it's something like that.
Or like Keith said, Andy Reid says,
we maybe haven't quite used Clyde the way that we should have the first couple years, and we really
want to let him loose in the passing game this year. And he might
say that in a different way. Let's say Rojo just tears it up
in camp, and they'll learn in KC pretty quickly that he's not good in passing downs.
But if he's running well, and this is a top-five offensive line in Kansas City.
So if he's running well there, Andy Reid could say something along the lines of,
we're definitely going to try and use Ronald a little bit more and cater to his strengths,
and we'll do the same thing with Clyde Edwards,
Hilaire.
And that would be the exact same thing as what Heath just said,
which is Clyde being used for what we came to know him for when he was at LSU and not as necessarily a feature back.
And then it's almost like the roles kind of reverse and Rojo is going to be
the early downs guy.
And Clyde Edwards,
Hilaire takes on almost the Daryl Williams role right
that's not going to make his draft value go up no it's going to make it go down yeah you didn't
specify up or down right right no I right but that's the you know that's like what Heath said
only worse it Heath said we haven't used him right and you you know that's oh he's right
this is him changing his role sure this. He's the passing downs back.
Okay, well, how would you?
No, either way, it makes sense.
If they said they hadn't been using him right and you want his ADP to go up,
that means that he's got to be used in every facet of the Kansas City offense,
which would be really, really hot.
Yeah, that'd be cool.
Okay, offensive line notes, and then we got a mailbag here as well.
We got Apple podcast questions.
We have emails. So let's go through the offensive line notes, and then we got a mailbag here as well. We got Apple Podcast questions. We have emails.
So let's go through the offensive line notes pretty quickly.
Here were your top 10 run-blocking teams last year, according to PFF.
Top 10 run-blocking teams.
This is based on grade.
Yeah.
Okay.
Dallas, San Francisco, Kansas City, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Atlanta,
surprising, Washington, New England, indianapolis and the rams
bottom 10 run blocking teams going from worst 32nd to 23rd houston arizona miami raiders
jaguars bills pittsburgh carolina new orleans green. Top 10 pass blocking teams, according to PFF.
Rams, Cowboys.
So the Cowboys were one in run blocking,
two in pass blocking.
Eagles were top five in both.
Washington was top 10 in both.
Tampa Bay, Kansas City, top six in both.
Green Bay, San Francisco, top eight in both.
Denver, New England.
So the teams that show up in the top ten from last
year in both run blocking and pass blocking are
the Rams, the Cowboys, who were the best,
the Eagles, who were top four in both,
Washington, top six,
Kansas City, top six,
and
New England, and I think that's it.
Did you mention New Orleans?
New Orleans was
a bottom ten run blocking team.
Pass blocking, the worst 10 pass blocking teams
were Miami, Atlanta, Giants, Bengals, Panthers, Titans,
Vikings, Seahawks, Texans, and Colts.
Those are the 10 worst pass blocking teams.
With Miami, Atlanta, the Giants, the Bengals,
and the Panthers as your bottom
five can you do me one quick favor yeah can you run through the bottom 10 run blocking teams
and let's just think about the running backs on those teams and how they did in fantasy houston
arizona uh connor scored a lot of touchdowns. Awesome. Yeah. But well,
but he obviously didn't run the ball very effectively,
but they were...
We've talked about it a ton.
He was totally...
We're just talking about fantasy football.
Right.
But it was...
Very good.
It was the passing game for him that helped.
Yeah, okay, you're right.
You're right.
And the touchdowns.
Miami.
15 touchdowns, Adam.
18.
Miami.
No.
One of the biggest busts ever
in the history of the universe.
Raiders.
Jacob's also a lot of touchdowns.
He was good.
He was good, but he has not been a very good,
efficient running back in the last couple years.
Yeah, he's never been a top 12 fantasy running back.
We're just talking about fantasy and not YPC.
But that's important because if you just subtract,
if you're just looking at how efficient a runner is,
this matters. That's important because if you just subtract, you know, if you're just looking at how efficient a runner is, this,
this matters.
I don't think that yards per carry in prior years is as predictive of
future fantasy production as past fantasy production is.
But if we're talking about Josh Jacobs,
whose offensive line has not gotten better,
it's still going to be a liability,
right?
Dave,
am I missing something with the Raiders?
Oh, no, Dave froze.
Yeah, he's thinking about it.
He'll get back to you.
But no, I think...
We're worried about his role, you know?
I think he was just...
He's been good for fantasy purposes
with a mediocre to average yards per carry.
But he's done it in two ways that might scare people a little bit,
which I think speaks to his wide draft range.
He did it with a lot of touchdowns, and he did it with a lot of catches,
and we don't know if he'll have either one.
So I think people do look at his yards
per carry and say there's bust potential
here. I understand. I'm sure
that people do that. And they should
because if he has a bad offensive line, then he's
going to have trouble
being an efficient rusher. I thought
we were just looking at how did
the running backs
on the worst offensive lines perform
in fantasy? We are it's i think it's
i think we can probably very very well just assume the running backs who had bad offensive
lines had bad yards per carry almost not entirely but almost universally and don't you think that's
important that mean they weren't good in fantasy so far we're through four of them two of them
were terrible for fantasy and two of them were terrible
for fantasy and two of them were very good or at least good but don't you think don't you think the
efficiency metrics matter because i think what you're seeing here is that with james connor and
josh jacobs maybe right now the lesson is if you're going to have a bad offensive line a bad
run blocking offensive line you're going to need to either score a lot of touchdowns or catch a lot of
passes to be for the most part.
If you're going to be a top 20 fantasy running back,
you're going to need to either score a lot of touchdowns or catch a lot of
passes.
There are very few guys who are starting fantasy running backs who don't do
one of those two things,
but there are some right. But there are some, right?
And there are the Nick Chubbs out there and the JK Dobbins out there.
And, you know, but it's easy.
Okay.
But it's easier to score a lot of touchdowns when you can average five
yards per carry because your offensive line is good.
You know what I mean?
What are we trying to do?
I don't know.
Because it's like, I will agree with you, and I think everyone already knows.
If you have a bad offensive line, your yards per carry is probably not going to be very good.
And that's important.
Isn't that important?
We're talking about how does the offensive line play correlate to running back fantasy success or how did it last year.
So I would spin it forward to the can we go hardest part of this is lines what's that can we go through the rest of the pff great
offensive lines yeah sure jacksonville um mediocre buffalo bad pittsburgh top five car Carolina. I don't think he was top five, was he?
Najee?
He probably was.
Yeah, he probably was.
I thought he might be six.
Carolina.
Najee was third last year in total points.
I'm sorry.
Per game, I don't know what he was.
I wonder what he was. You got that? Yeah, per game. I don't know what he was. I wonder what he was.
You got that?
Eighth per game.
Carolina.
New Orleans.
Look at how bad Camara's efficiency was last year.
New Orleans.
But again, top 12 running back.
And Green Bay.
Aaron Jones is awesome.
Right.
And averaged 4.7 yards per carry yeah honestly a team that's 23rd in run blocking doesn't really scare me that much i think probably bottom five is what we should
focus on but um the hardest part is is guessing who's going to be in the bottom five well and
like this is one subjective measurement as well, right?
Yes, absolutely.
You're still talking about grades?
Yeah, we had a pretty long discussion.
We're still fighting about what this segment is even supposed to be, and that's because we're missing Blurry Dave.
There he is. He's back.
Am I blurry?
No, you're good now. You're good now.
Was I blurry all show?
No, no. You were just lagging all show.
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Follow me everywhere I go.
Everywhere I go.
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the black iCloud over my head.
All right, you know what?
Heath and I had a long discussion about it.
Dave, give me some teams that got better
and some teams that got worse.
The four teams that I noted that got better,
Cincinnati, obviously,
and we already talked about Collins, Kappa,
Karras being there.
They're going to be great.
It's a really good offensive line.
Adam, I think your Giants got better.
Not only did they add Feliciano from Buffalo,
Glowinski from Indy,
and they drafted Evan Neal.
They got rid of Will Hernandez and Nate Solder.
So some addition by subtraction
and some addition by addition.
And I think that line is going to be a lot better.
The Panthers got better.
And this, to me, this, no one's talking about Carolina's offensive line.
They drafted a Kwanu.
They got Bozeman from Baltimore.
They got Corbett from the Rams.
I think that they're going to be a considerably better offensive line and no one's giving
them any credit for it.
And maybe that'll help their passing game a little bit too, because their quarterback
won't be under duress from the second he gets the snap pittsburgh's
offensive line also got better especially with the run game with daniels and cole on the interior
got worse five teams i've got three in the afc in the nfc west rather the cardinals because they got
will hernandez and they are just they have no real depth three-fifths of their offensive line
will be 32 years old or older
when the season starts the niners already talked about their interior offensive line
i made my killer bees joke no one liked it seahawks talked about them because they've got
the rookie and unproven tackles um though their interior line is better i think the falcons
they didn't do anything you mentioned that they were great running the ball
oh they had they had a high pass.
They had a great run blocking line.
Right.
That's what I mean.
They weren't great.
Right.
That's what I should have said.
And they were terrible against the pass.
They did nothing to try and improve last year's line.
And they did great horribly against the pass.
The Packers, they lost Patrick in the middle of their line.
He went to Chicago.
And the interior of their line graded poorly.
The remaining parts of that line graded poorly.
So I'm a little worried about Green Bay's offensive line,
particularly if Bakhtiari struggles to stay healthy.
Now we're talking about major changes on that offensive line
over the last two seasons that could really hurt them.
Okay, so some things to know.
I really like the Carolina call.
Obviously, the Bengals.
And I think it's worth noting that the Buccaneers lost their starting guards.
Kappa, who went to the Bengals.
I thought about them.
Ellie Marpit retired.
And like I said earlier, the Rams lost Whitworth and Corbett
with Whitworth retiring and Corbett going to Carolina.
So the reason why I didn't include Tampa, Adam,
is because they did get Shaq Mason,
who I think is a good band-aid for this year.
They seem to like Aaron Stinney, who was their sixth offensive lineman last year.
He's getting a promotion to play one of the guard spots this year.
Okay.
All right.
Well, emails and Apple Podcasts.
Let's go through this quickly, guys.
From Stephen Murray.
Every summer...
Yeah. Every summer, it bothers
me just a bit that all the season rankings
from the year before include
the last week of the season. Everyone knows the last
week of the season differs in importance from team to
team. Some of the studs sitting out,
lowering their final rank. Is it possible to do an
episode pointing out the discrepancies in rankings
if we take out the last week of the season?
This is very easy.
I'm on a page right now where I can do that.
So, yeah, we could do that.
Okay.
Anybody that you can think of that had huge Week 18s?
I'm looking at Austin Eckler.
But that was a huge game.
He was RB1 for Week 18 with 28 PPR fantasy points.
But I would never take that game out.
That game they needed to make the playoffs.
They lost in an incredible, one of the best games ever, basically.
And Austin Eckler was number three per game through Week 17.
Connor had 27 fantasy points in Week 18.
One of his biggest games of the entire year.
In fact, his third biggest game of the entire year
happened in week 18.
That definitely helped his per-game average.
He averaged 16.5 PPR points per game
thanks to that game.
Devin Singletary.
25 PPR fantasy points
in week 18.
I don't think there's a lot of value in this, quite
honestly, but
sometimes it's worth it.
I think one of the big things is you've got
to take week 18 away from Aaron
Rodgers. Guys who played half a game.
Devin Singletary averaged 4.6 yards
per carry in week 18.
Impressive.
He's been a pretty efficient running back.
I got to tell you that it really made an impact with the wide receiver one in Week 18.
Do you remember who the wide receiver one,
the guy who scored the most PPR fantasy points in Week 18 was?
St. Brown.
Well, I know who you're going to say it was,
and my list says it's different mike williams
no oh danny amandola what again i've got i've got i've got him at 30.3 so i have no idea what the
what the difference is how is there's 1.7 point difference i haven't met 29 i haven't met 29. I haven't met 29. He had 29 PPR points in week 18
in our full
point scoring leagues. No decimals.
Okay, next question.
Next question
is from Kevin Bean.
I have the first overall pick in a full
PPR. Why no decimals?
Why no decimals? I don't know. It probably
needs to be decimals. It needs to be decimals
for sure. The number one tight end in PPR
in week 18 last year,
Tyler Higby, 23 points.
Okay.
9.3 over the year.
Okay, Kevin
Bean says, I have the first overall pick in a
full-point PPR Keeper League. Jonathan
Taylor is being kept. Am I crazy for thinking about
Austin Eckler
over McCaffrey?
Sorry.
Or Henry?
No,
not crazy.
What would you guys do?
Eckler.
I'd take Henry.
I mean,
I'd take cup if he was available,
but I would take Eckler if he wasn't from Trev.
If we were available,
dear bandit,
chili,
bluey,
and bingo.
A two part question.
First for Adam,
how often does your kid ask to play the games that they play on
Bluey? So we play Keepy Uppy
sometimes, and
I always play the doctor game or the hospital
game where I get to lay down, and the
kids get to examine me with the
stethoscope and all that, and I just get to
lay down for 10 minutes. So thank you,
Bluey, for giving me that inspiration.
This is our second year
in a new keeper format and the first time
to select keepers. We can keep up
to five. One of these players
can be franchised. You tag a player,
he takes your last available draft
spot for keeper purposes
and he's guaranteed to be yours for
two years once he's tagged, but you cannot drop
him, trade him, or place him on IR
once tagged. And after two years, you
have to cut him. I need help with my keeper selection. And after two years, you have to cut him.
I need help with my keeper selection.
They cost one spot ahead of where you drafted them.
And you can keep first rounders.
That's an option.
And players within the same round with rules that I won't bother you all with.
Okay, anyway.
So he needs five.
Adams, Devontae Adams in round one. He's considering franchise tagging him. Mix Adams in round one.
We see he's considering franchise tagging him mixing in round two Clyde in round three.
No way Higgins in round five Prescott in round six.
Gasicki round nine Michael Carter around 10 Mike Williams Mike 11 around
11 Trevor Lawrence around 12 Bateman round 13 Travis ETN round 14 Amonra
St. Brown round 16. So the
the guy that he keeps as his
franchise tag is his last
round pick. Yeah, his last
available pick. So if let's
say he kept St. Brown, which
would be his round 16 pick
how many rounds is the
strap goes to 16 rounds. So Devante would be his round 16 pick. How many rounds does this draft go? 16. 16 rounds.
So Devontae would be his 15th round pick.
Right.
But he can't trade him, can't drop him, can't put him on IR for two years.
I would make it Mixon.
You would do it with Mixon?
Yeah.
Well, he can keep five players. I think the guys in consideration are Adams, Mixon, Mike Williams, Bateman,
ETN, and St. Brown.
And I guess Higgins in round five, that's fair value, but I think the other guys are
Adams and Mixon, that's right
about where they're going. Mixon will probably end up being a first-round pick, so he's probably a little better value than Adams.
But I don't see how you throw that.
Mixon in the final round.
Right.
Well, I'm just making a list of five,
and then I'll figure out who I want to franchise.
And you're obviously going to franchise the guy
who has the highest keeper value.
I'm not worrying about all the other stuff
that comes along with franchise tagging a guy.
I'm taking a guy for the next two years
who I know will be on my team.
But I also want to take advantage
of that draft position.
I think I'd rather have Higgins in round five
than Adams in round one.
Yeah, but you don't have to have Adams in round one.
You can keep Adams
and make him your round 15 pick.
But then I have to keep Mixon in round one.
No, you keep Mixon in round two.
So you get him first round.
The cost is one round more
than where you drafted him.
Then why did he write two with him?
Yeah, I don't know.
It says
they cost one spot ahead of where you
drafted them, and this says
notable players on roster, player
and round picked.
Oh. So he does go one
round higher. So he has to keep Max in round two.
What would happen if he wanted to keep Adams?
Because he's a first round pick.
You can keep him.
He also told us that.
Yeah, just answer the question.
Let's go.
Now I'm trying to find what it is.
Williams, Bateman, ETN.
Higgins and Mixon, with Mixon in the final round.
So then I still have my first three picks.
Perfect.
Next up.
I don't have a name here.
12 teams,
super flex dynasty league,
which quarterback has the best chance of being semi reliable for the entire
2022 season,
Jared golf or Marcus Mariota.
And I know he threw another quarterback's name in there, but that quarterback was already
drafted.
I think he's doing a draft right now.
So which quarterback has the best chance of being semi-reliable for the entire season?
100% it's Jared Goff.
Jared Goff is one of the best low-end QB2s because he's one of the only low-end QB2s
who really can't lose his job.
All right. Next one here is...
If it's between Wentz and Mariota,
I would take Wentz. It's not.
Wentz is off the board.
I thought you said Goff was off the board.
I said Wentz was off the board, didn't I?
Yeah. Goff. Yeah. He was
available and then he went.
Okay, Chad
is a 52-year-old fantasy football
player. For the first time in my life
last year, he played.
Oh, okay. So he's 52 years old and he played for the first
time last year against seasoned
veterans. I feel much
more prepared entering this season, but
I'm worried because I don't see how I'm going to be able to build
as strong of a team as I had last year
and he didn't even make the playoffs.
It was a 10-team league PPR.
He had Jefferson and Chase.
He had Swift and Cordaro Patterson.
He had Kelsey.
He had Russell Wilson.
That was probably the problem,
and he didn't make the playoffs at that,
so he just wants some general advice here, Dave,
going into year two.
Boost Chad's confidence.
Chad, you probably did some research
to draft the players that you got last year.
What were the things that you looked for
that compelled you to draft Jamar Chase?
What made you pick up Cordell Patterson?
Maybe it was as simple as you heard their names
on our podcast and you said,
okay, I'll go with them.
Or maybe there was something about them.
Like maybe Jamar Chase was a ridiculously talented
rookie receiver and you knew he was better
than the guy who was dropping passes in the preseason.
I think you may have been bitten by the tight end luxury bug, though,
and you could certainly recoup Kelsey in round one with your first pick if you wanted to,
although I wouldn't do it if it was an early first round pick.
I think what you could probably say to yourself is just prepare as best as you can.
Think of the reasons why Chase succeeded and look for those types of traits with other wide receivers that are going to be available after round four in your draft.
That's what we're going to do.
We all do it year round.
We're trying to find those guys, too.
Okay, let's get to some Apple podcast questions here from LeChu.
Bless you.
Bless you, yeah. You guys are the greatest,Choux. Bless you. Bless you, yeah.
You guys are the greatest, especially Dave.
Pizza all day.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm in the startup dynasty 2QB PPR league.
I had the first pick.
Only drafting veterans first, then we'll draft the rookies.
This is my team so far.
Jonathan Taylor, CeeDee Lamb, DK Metcalf, Chris Godwin, Jalen Waddle, and Jerry Judy.
Nice.
Really good.
I don't know if you're going to love your quarterbacks.
He's got Tom Brady.
That's pretty good.
Should my next pick be Daniel Jones?
Your next pick should always be Daniel Jones.
You should know that there is a pretty solid...
Did Schrager used to select the questions?
No.
Oh, the Apple Podcast questions, yes.
There's a pretty solid chance Daniel Jones
is a backup quarterback next year,
or at least not the starter for the Giants.
So you should know that in a dynasty league.
Or he could be a starter on somebody else's team next year.
That's right, that's what I said.
In that format, Jared Goff would probably be a better selection.
Yeah, same thing I said. In that format, Jared Goff would probably be a better selection. Yeah. Same
thing I said about Jared Goff, though.
About Daniel Jones applies to Jared Goff.
There's a pretty good chance he's not the quarterback for the Lions
next year. From
John, he has a wild
fantasy story for us. The year was
2017 when Aaron Rodgers got hurt against
the Vikings. He was supposed to miss the year.
The manager who had Rodgers dropped him.
I picked him up and I stashed him,
hoping I can ride him into the playoffs
since my quarterbacks at the time
were streaming options.
Rodgers ends up coming back right on time
for my week 15 semifinals matchup.
I end up winning my matchup
and moving on to the championship round.
Only problem now is I dropped
all my other quarterbacks
because it was week 16
and I knew I was playing.
I was going to start Aaron Rodgers in the championship.
However, Green Bay was eliminated
from playoff contention that same week
and ended up shutting Aaron Rodgers down
for the fantasy championship.
I had the last waiver spot
and no quarterbacks on my roster now.
My league commissioner informed the entire league
of this situation.
He messaged each league member,
including the eliminated ones,
and told them to pick up every quarterback off waivers.
That way I don't have any choice.
It's crazy.
From the commissioner.
That way I don't have any choice
of who to start at quarterback for my championship game.
One league member completely forgot
which quarterback he was supposed to pick up.
It was Blake Bortles.
So Bortles was the only quarterback left standing. I had no choice but to start Blake Bortles week
16 for my championship. And he went crazy for 382 yards, two touchdowns, three interceptions,
plus three rush, 31 rushing yards, scored 24 fantasy points at San Francisco, and he won the league for
John. How funny is that? Good
stuff. That's awesome. What a story.
He should get a Bortles jersey to
commemorate it. A Packers Bortles jersey.
Yeah, that was a good story. Thank you for sharing
that. That's a great story. From
Griff Smith.
Griff Smith, please help me with my
keepers for next year. 12-team PPR
league where I can keep three
for the value below out of a $200 budget.
Jonathan Taylor for 29.
Yep.
Yes.
Terry McLaurin for 19.
Justin Herbert for eight.
Michael Thomas for eight.
Javante Williams for 10.
Yes.
Mark Andrews for 20.
Deontay Johnson for 20. Joe Mixon for 48. Gabe Davis for 10. Yes. Mark Andrews for 20. Deontay Johnson for 20.
Joe Mixon for 48.
Gabe Davis for 14.
Jerry Judy for 14.
Cam Akers for 3.
Yes.
We got our 3.
3 running backs
in a PPR league.
I would probably go Taylor, Javante, and Andrews.
I wonder if you could get...
You probably can't get Andrews back for $20.
Can you get Andrews back for $32 in a $200 league?
Maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe you could.
But on the assumption that Cam Akers will be
at minimum serviceable,
he's well worth three bucks.
Javante is worth 10.
Is there a limitation to how long you can keep these guys?
There we go.
You always ask me that.
I never know,
Dave.
I probably not.
It's probably just one year and then you got to throw them back.
But if it's not one year,
then you can keep Javante for 10 for a long time and keep taylor for 29 for a long time i'm never ever letting them go
okay ryan from the east valley of the adam where will that draft take place will it be at like a
bar or a bowling alley or someone's basement that was perfect man for uh i've made two three-way
trades in our 16 team dynasty league over the last three years
and i feel it's a great way to help facilitate a trade if you're lacking the required pieces
and other manager needs have you guys ever made a three-way trade or have you considered it
i never have actually i don't think i have either but i have made two trades at the same time
with two different it's my team it's of the same thing, but not the same.
The other owners weren't aware.
No, I've been actively trying, but I've not pulled a three-way off yet.
I'll tell you what I'd do, man.
Two trades at the same time.
All right, we're out of here.
The law marathon has ended and we've got, um, we've got FFT and
five. I get, we got to do as well. So you can hop over to that stream, have a great weekend,
everybody. And we'll talk to you on FFT on, well, actually we have the Jacob Gibbs player profiles
publishing on Saturday and Sunday, but we'll have a new fresh episode for you with our top 24
overall players on Monday.
For Heath and Dave, I'm Adam.
Have a great weekend. See ya.