Fantasy Football Today - Potentially Polarizing Players; Super Bowl Prop Bets (02/04 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: February 4, 2021

Some 2021 talk and some Super Bowl LV talk on today's show as Yahoo's Liz Loza joins us! Liz tells us where she stands as of now on some potentially polarizing players in 2021. How does Aaron Rodgers ...stack up with the mobile QBs (5:00)? Is Ezekiell Elliott still a Top 5 RB (10:25)? ... Julio Jones (13:40) had a sneaky great season and could be a huge value. And at TE, does Liz prefer Darren Waller or George Kittle (18:00)? ... Liz gives us some of her favorite prop bets for Super Bowl LV (22:00). First turnover, total interceptions, Buccaneers sacks and more ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Subscribe to the FFT in 5 podcast on Apple, Spotify, Google, or wherever you listen to FFT. Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @CTowersCBS, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Want winning picks each morning in under 10 minutes? Subscribe to 'The Early Edge: A Daily SportsLine Betting Podcast' on Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever else you listen to podcasts. Enter the CBS Sports 'Football Props' game for your chance to compete for the $1 million jackpot. https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/games/props-pickem To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:59 BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. On his way to the end zone. I'll tell you what, that was a spectacular play. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. What a play. Off to the races.
Starting point is 00:01:16 Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. Hey, welcome to the show. It's Fantasy Football Today, recording on Jamie, Heath, and Ben. Hey, and welcome to the show. It's Fantasy Football Today, recording on Wednesday, February 3rd. You're listening on Thursday, just a few days away from Super Bowl 55. Adam Azer here with a special guest. Liz Loza of Yahoo Fantasy is here.
Starting point is 00:01:38 Her profile says she keeps it 100. We'll have to find out. What does that mean, Liz? Keep it 100. Explain. How old have you gotten, Adam? I think you know what that means. You just keep it real?
Starting point is 00:01:53 I keep it real most of the time. Not all of the time. So like 98. You keep it like 98. Yeah, like 98. And then everybody has a day sometimes where they're tired. Good.
Starting point is 00:02:04 Okay. I can appreciate that. Follow her on Twitter at Liz Loza underscore FF at Liz Loza underscore FF. That's L-O-Z-A. I am Adam Azer. You are Liz Loza, our producer, Shren Schrager. We got to have some alliteration today. We have to have some potentially polarizing players for 2021. And thank you for coming on.
Starting point is 00:02:26 And how are you? You ready for the game? I am. I'm looking forward to it. I feel like I'm a bit of a contrarian in some of my picks. So I'm sure we're going to dig into all of that. But yeah, there's a lot of storylines. And I don't think the NFL could have scripted it any better had they tried, especially in a COVID year. By the way, I know what keeping it 100 means. I just wanted like some examples, basically. I'm not that old. You said that the NFL couldn't have scripted it any better. And I think a lot of people feel that way with Mahomes versus Brady. I'm always in the minority. I kind of, I wanted Mahomes versus Rogers. I'm always in the minority. I kind of, I wanted Mahomes versus Rodgers.
Starting point is 00:03:08 I thought that would have just been better because they were the two best quarterbacks in football this year. Did you want Mahomes-Brady? No, I wanted from a heart space, Mahomes-Rodgers because I wanted Aaron Rodgers, even as a Bears fan, to win the Super Bowl this year. But from a narrative standpoint, I think that this obviously has more content creation moments.
Starting point is 00:03:30 And Chef's Kiss, we can all appreciate that. Chef's Kiss, you know what that means, by the way? Have you seen that meme? I'm just checking in here. Yeah. Okay. I know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:40 I just don't want to tell Ben because I want Ben to look it up. He has no idea. Do you? Yes, it's it up. He has no idea. Do you? Yes, it's a meme. It's a meme. You know, Dave Richard once pronounced that as Mimi on his show last year. So he's even older than I am. You can explain that to me later.
Starting point is 00:03:57 Liz, what are your Super Bowl plans? Oh, wow. Well, I'm in California and we're living through a pandemic, even if some states in the union have forgotten that. So we don't really have a lot of options. I've gotten a bounce house for my littles. I gave my husband his quarantine gift for I gave him at the top of quarantine, a very special gift because I needed him to stay sane. I bought him a smoker. So he is smoking numerous meats, like butts, ribs, wings, all of the meats. I'm going to make a special cocktail and we are going to have some people in our pod safely over. Oh, well, it's good that you have a pod.
Starting point is 00:04:37 That is good. I am going to have a wings eating contest on Twitch, which we talked about against Dave and Jacob Gibbs. Hopefully we'll be in it. And Frank Stample. We'll see how many wings we can eat. How did I not get invited to that show? Like I, you make me come on the prop show polarizing players,
Starting point is 00:04:54 but then I don't get to eat anything good. I have to do all the heavy lifting, but I don't get invited on the wings eating show. Talk to Ben. You want to like, we could definitely use another person. Like there's no problem. I don't know what kind of contest is going to be.
Starting point is 00:05:04 I'm thinking like a few minutes on the clock and see how many you can eat. Otherwise it would just be like, how many can you eat over the course of an hour, which is how long we're on. What do you think? We should probably do like two, three minutes on the clock. Go right.
Starting point is 00:05:18 I mean, I don't think it's like a volume eating contest, but more of a spice. Oh no, I'll lose that. How much can you spice? Oh, Adam will cheat that. He eating contest. Oh, no, I'll lose that. How much can you spice, Dan? Oh, Adam will cheat that. He'll say, oh, these aren't spicy.
Starting point is 00:05:28 Yeah, yeah. No, I can't do spicy. Then I'll be in tears. Like, nobody wants... Maybe people do want to see that. We'll find out. All right, so let's get to the show. We'll do the potentially polarizing players
Starting point is 00:05:38 and then your favorite Super Bowl props and just a few things. There's some offensive coordinator news items. We'll probably get to those next week. Nothing too pressing right now. Multiple teams expected to pursue Derek Carr, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Yeah, nothing huge right now.
Starting point is 00:05:52 It can wait until after the big game. And you can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers. Simply say, Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast, or say, hey, Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast. So it just depends on which speaker you're talking to, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast.
Starting point is 00:06:07 So just depends on which speaker you're talking to, but you can listen to us on your smart speakers. I picked one quarterback, one running back, one wide receiver, and a little tight end debate for potentially polarizing players. The quarterback is Aaron Rodgers. Polarizing because he's gonna win the MVP. He was tremendous. Finished as a top two quarterback,
Starting point is 00:06:27 crazy high touchdown rate, doesn't run the ball anymore, barely. So where are you going to rank Aaron Rodgers next year? Do you think he'll be polarizing? I do think he's going to be polarizing. I do imagine though that coming off of this season, especially with the emergence of Robert Tanyan, who scored 11 touchdowns, right? you know you mentioned the touchdown rate last year uh Rodgers
Starting point is 00:06:51 scored what he threw for 26 I believe 25 the year before that this year topped that by 22 more and half of that total went to Robert Tanyan so I feel like um people are going to be excited about Rodgers I do think a lot will depend on what happens in the offseason. Like right now, it seems the general consensus seems to be that he's not going anywhere, though I'd be surprised if he doesn't ask for a bunch of money, which he is due. But I will probably not have him as aggressively ranked as some people. I will have him in my top 10. I think he'll probably end up being, what, probably QB7 in most people's rankings
Starting point is 00:07:32 because he'll be the first non-mobile quarterback ranked. I'm a little bit worried about – no one likes to talk about trench talk because it's dry, but I'm a little bit worried about Bakhtiari coming off of a torn ACL, obviously in the postseason. So late in the season, he's entering his age 30 season in September. That is a key to keeping Aaron Rodgers upright. You mentioned that he's not nearly as mobile as he used to be always, you know, you can still extend plays with his legs, but that's not really where he makes his fantasy bread and butter anymore. So I will probably sit on him a little bit and maybe for the value in a
Starting point is 00:08:07 draft, if I'm looking for something similar, lean towards Matt Stafford who will go later. Oh, okay. So you like him, you like him on the Rams, huh? I love, I do. I like him very much on the Rams. That arm strength plus after 12 years in Detroit, you think he wants to win. So. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean,
Starting point is 00:08:26 he's played in three playoff games and he's lost all of them. And so when I initially asked the question last Saturday night, when the news broke, uh, are the Rams Superbowl contenders? And I said, no, Dave and Jamie said,
Starting point is 00:08:37 yes. Then I did a Twitter poll and about two thirds of the responses were yes. Uh, I think it might just be a perception of how good do you think Matthew Stafford is. I think he's good, maybe close to very good. I don't think he's great. I don't think he's the guy who's going to take your team that's close and put them over the hump personally.
Starting point is 00:08:54 But a lot of people love Matthew Stafford, think he's tremendous. Where do you stand on that? I mean, if the Rams could make it to the Super Bowl with Jared Goff, who is not Matthew Stafford, it's hard to imagine that they can't make it deep into the postseason with Matthew Stafford. And a better defense. Not that their defense was bad a few years ago, but it was number one last year.
Starting point is 00:09:15 But Goff was really good that year, right? I mean, at that point, we thought Jared Goff was a great quarterback. We thought at least he could be. I think that Sean McVay had a really great Cyrano de Bergerac situation in his helmet? That's the problem with Goff, is that he wasn't able to evolve as quickly as his play caller needed him to. See, I get that reference. That was the 100 reference right there. That was keeping it real with some literature.
Starting point is 00:09:40 All right, so do you think Aaron Rodgers is easily the first, let's say, non-rushing quarterback off the board? I think that that's where you have to put it. Do you consider Justin Herbert mobile? Because he had 234 rushing yards in 15 games. It's so interesting because I did
Starting point is 00:10:00 feel like Herbert, this is going to be, I put this in my notes when you mentioned Aaron Rodgers, I feel like the debate, the old versus new debate is going to be Justin Herbert versus Aaron Rogers. And the favorite is going to be Justin Herbert because we like young new things. And you also have to imagine, even though there's like, you're hearing, you're already hearing like, well, there's an offensive change in Los Angeles, but like we saw Anthony Lynn totally cap Herbert's ceiling. So even if he maintains where he's at, which seems doable, then especially in a second year, then that's a pretty, I'm going to have, I will admit
Starting point is 00:10:40 that I will have Aaron Rodgers and Justin Herbert probably evenly paced. I might give Rodgers the edge because he's Aaron Rodgers and because I think his weapons are a little bit, but because Devontae Adams is so good. Yeah, Lynn got a little conservative certainly late in the year, and it did seem to hamstring Justin Herbert a little bit. But I think that's interesting. You know what? I'm going to Twitter poll that right now.
Starting point is 00:11:07 Should we do four point or six point for passing touchdown lead? It doesn't matter. I'm going to ask Herbert or Rodgers. What do you think? I'd say, who do you want next season? Do Herbert or Rodgers. Let's see what the people say
Starting point is 00:11:19 because that'll be an interesting one. All right, let's go to the alliteration for the running back in the potentially polarizing players debate. Ezekiel Elliott, first-round pick, second-round pick, top-five pick. You know, he was the number – he was a top-five running back per game. I think he was number three overall in the five games that Dak Prescott played. That's right.
Starting point is 00:11:38 He was outside the top 20 after that. So where do you stand on Zeke? Well, I mean, I think a lot of it, you just mentioned Dak Prescott, right? So a lot of it depends on at what level Dak Prescott comes back. Also, what happens with his contract in Dallas. And Dallas obviously has some, they have backed themselves into some real money issues here. Let's bring them back for the sake of argument. Let's bring them back. All right, let's bring him back full health. So Elliot cleared 100 scrimmage yards in four of those five games with Dak starting. And even after the addition of CeeDee Lamb and this trio of wide receivers, he was still heavily involved in the passing game, right? He was 52 catches on the season. That's RB8. He was number two among running backs in routes run. So I like that floor there. A couple of injuries dinged him up. But I think I honestly think that
Starting point is 00:12:32 after Dak was lost for the season in such an unexpected, violent way, the wind in everybody's sails just kind of came out. And I will probably have Zeke just outside of my top five, but I think that he's a great rebound candidate. And I wouldn't be surprised, especially in home leagues, if people have a knee jerk and over-correct and he's able to fall, you know, like maybe even into the back of the second round, middle of the second round in some home leagues.
Starting point is 00:13:05 Okay. Yeah, I think that if you're going to make an argument against him, it's that people seem to think he's lost his explosiveness a little bit. He only averaged four yards per carry, and his carries per game have gone down three straight seasons. He had about 16.5 carries per game, 16.3. That was down from 18.8 the year before, 20.3 the year before that, 24 in his second season. But Zeke
Starting point is 00:13:29 was, you know, you mentioned the catches, he had 52. With Dak Prescott, those first five games, he was on pace for 77 catches. He didn't have that many after the Prescott injury. So I think the opportunity's going to be good. Obviously the offensive line should be a lot better next year.
Starting point is 00:13:45 It was, it was just so, so injured in 2020. And you also have to think about who are, who are you putting in your top five? You're coming Christian McCaffrey. Who's coming off of kind of two injuries, Dalvin cook,
Starting point is 00:13:56 who was fired this year, but there's always a regression situation. Alvin Kamara. We don't know what's happening with the quarterback situation in new Orleans, Saquon Barkley coming off of another injury situation, another injury marred year. Jonathan Taylor is one of the new names that everyone's hyped on.
Starting point is 00:14:11 I interviewed cam acres earlier in the week and he's, you know, a lot of people are really liking cam acres as an RB one. So I think there is. Well, I'm of course,rick Henry is always in play. But again, I think people are nervous about whether or not Derrick Henry can maintain his beastly-like stats. He was already the anomaly statistically this past season. So can you make a miracle happen a third year in a row? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:39 All right. Let's go to our wide receiver, Julio Jones. Another alliteration. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Even if it's not pronounced that way, that Julio Jones. Another alliteration. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Even if it's not pronounced that way, that's really, this is great stuff. Julio Jones did not have a great season because he only played nine games, but he was on pace for almost 1,400 yards and five touchdowns. And he left two games early with injuries.
Starting point is 00:15:01 35% of the snaps are fewer. In the other seven games, he averaged 100 yards per game. So he was himself. They got a new coaching staff. Maybe they won't throw the ball as much. That's obviously a big concern. But I think, and I'll look at the draft we did in January, I think Julio Jones was somewhere in a three-receiver PPR league
Starting point is 00:15:19 around the end of the second round, so around 24th overall. I'll double-check on that. What are you thinking about Julio Jones? 24th overall in a full point or half point PPR? Full, yeah, full. And three receivers and a flex. I think that's a little low, honestly. I can see him.
Starting point is 00:15:40 I still see him inside the top 20, but kind of between that 15 to 20 range. I don't think I let him fall outside inside the top 20, but kind of between that 15 to 20 range. I don't think I let him fall outside of the top 20. He is still Julio Jones. He's still averaging 11.4 yards per target. His catch rate is solid. He's not Calvin Ridley, which is a weird thing to say, because I think Calvin Ridley is going to be like a top five pick next year, this year, top five wide receiver. Yeah. I think he's
Starting point is 00:16:11 going to be a top five wide receiver. Um, but he, I mean, Matt Ryan is 36, uh, Julio Jones, by the way, turns 32 on Monday. Um, I like the, the 11 yards per target. And again, like top 12 catch rate, top seven true catch rate. So his efficiency, even if Arthur Smith installs more of a run-focused game, which I don't know how they're going to do that with the backfield they currently have. So even if that happens, we know that Julio can be efficient enough to deliver. All right, you're going to like this. I had my Samsonite moment. I was way off.
Starting point is 00:16:47 I thought he was about 24th in the half PPR league that we did. Julio Jones, three receivers and a flex, half PPR. He was 34th overall. And in the full PPR league, he was 37th overall. So he went really late. And I guess maybe in my mind, I thought he should have been something like a top 24 pick toward the back end there.
Starting point is 00:17:10 But in the drafts we did now we did these drafts in rooms that didn't have rankings. So the order was a little bit wacky. Sometimes you could just forget about a player. But yeah, Julio Jones, late third round pick early fourth round pick. I mean,
Starting point is 00:17:22 I think that's great value. Like there's a world in what so where where was odell beckham out of curiosity in that because if you're taking julio at 34 then odell beckham's got to be outside the round seven he was like seventh round in both drafts yeah round seven in both drafts all right well well you want to he could be pretty polarizing too his name he doesn't have alliteration but we can talk about him anyway where would you take uh odell beckham i don't think i would at all i think i'm yeah i think i'm fading obj um because he's just if he stays in cleveland
Starting point is 00:17:58 assuming he stays in cleveland because um the timing necessary to deliver the timing necessary for Baker and OBJ to connect is too tenuous. It's too specific. I just think that like Baker needs something more simple, someone he has better chemistry with. And I just, I mean, I, again, we, we saw Baker trying to, trying to what is the word I'm looking for? Trying to force it. Yes. Thank you. Trying to force the ball to OBJ and it just wasn't, it just wasn't working. And I think that
Starting point is 00:18:32 that's a timing based issue. And I'm not sure that that is ever going to get onto the same page. Shaggy be telling us that OBJ was the most traded player in CBS leagues in both 2019 and 2020 before his injury. So we, I'm sure we were always thought by low, by low, by low. It didn't really, didn't really happen.
Starting point is 00:18:49 I, one more, this is actually a tight end debate. Uh, and by the way, so far we'll check in on the Twitter poll, Aaron Rogers or Justin Herbert next season, Rogers, 55% Herbert,
Starting point is 00:18:58 45%. Very close. Uh, George Kittle or Darren Waller. Who do you got? I'm going to take George Kittle. I mean, you just reported that there's news in Las Vegas about Derek Carr. I really, really liked Brian Edwards.
Starting point is 00:19:18 So this might be more of a take lock for Edwards making a step forward. Ruggs, maybe potentially taking a step forward as well but I really think that Brian Edwards could be a nice physical possession guy on the outside and that might take away a little bit from Waller's volume this was kind of what I said last year and I was dead wrong so hey what do I know um but I think that George Kittle this was largely an injury-based issue and if you saw his production in week 16 and 17, you weren't that worried about it. I mean, week 17, he was a top six play.
Starting point is 00:19:49 It's a little bit fluky because it's tight end in week 17, but he, you know, converted seven of nine for 68. So I think he's going to start back healthy. And I think, you know, there's always this knee-jerk reaction. I think there's some expectation for regression out of Waller just because statistically he did better even than he did the previous year and then Kittle people forget about maybe they have a little bit of an opinion about that whole offense being injury prone for for some reason because so many of
Starting point is 00:20:21 the players were and so Kittle slides a little bit, but his yak in tandem with his opportunity in that scheme makes me want to rank Kittle a little bit, probably just one point ahead of Waller. Yeah, so he came back for week 16 and 17, and he had 160 yards in those two games. And he played, for him, pretty low snap shares. He played 50% and like 62 something
Starting point is 00:20:46 like that usually kittles plays about 90 of the snaps so that was the limited george kittle coming off a multi-week absence with nothing to play for and averaging uh what i say he had 180 or 160 yards he averaged 80 yards per game in those two that's awesome awesome. I really struggled with Arizona and despite their, the historical numbers against the tight end last year, they were solid against the middle of the field. One of the best at defending the middle of the field. So, um, he, the 92 yards, that was his first game back with what, uh, I think he played 55% of the snap share that week. So I think, uh, if that's evidence of him being able to pick up where he left off in 2019, I don't know what else could be. Yeah, no, I'm really, this is a tough one for me. I mean,
Starting point is 00:21:30 originally I thought Kittle for sure, just he seems safer, but Waller was so good last year. It did take until the last five games of the season for Waller to really explode, beginning with that Jets game where he had one of the best games in tight end history. But Kittle, there's... The problem I have with Kittle is that he is so physical and he blocks so much and he's so... Reckless isn't the best word, but he just...
Starting point is 00:21:54 You know, he's just an animal out there and I'm just concerned that he's going to be the next Gronkowski. Probably the best all-around tight end in football, but struggles to stay healthy. So that concerns me. And also, he only played four games with both Brandon Ayuk and Ibo Samuel.
Starting point is 00:22:09 The encouraging thing is, he had 40 targets in those four games. Samuel had 22, and Ayuk had 21. But I guess, Ayuk hadn't really broken out at that point. So I just don't know what the target share is going to be when all three of them are on the field. Because all three of them deserve the targets. All right, we're going to take a quick break here
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Starting point is 00:23:44 56% for Rodgers, 44% for Herbert. All right, we're not going to get anything definitive here. Rodgers or Justin Herbert. We're up to 537 votes. 56% for Rodgers, 44% for Herbert. We're not going to get anything definitive here. Rodgers is going to win by a nose. Liz, Super Bowl props. First of all, how do you feel about the whole world of props, player props and fun? You're going to talk about the first turnover of the game being an
Starting point is 00:23:59 interception or a fumble. How are you feeling about this stuff? I like it. I think it's super fun. I think anyone who's watched the Super Bowl, regardless of what, so the awesome part about props during a Super Bowl is the Super Bowl in itself is no longer just a sports watching event, right? It's a popular culture moment for society. It is part of the zeitgeist. And to have what we do regularly, fantasy and props and sports betting baked into an event that casts this wide of a net, especially among non-diehard viewers, I think makes everything more exciting. Because you're watching people have a vested interest in the game beyond which team they may or may not be rooting for and what someone may or may not be serving at the spread and,
Starting point is 00:24:47 and like get to learn more about the game and, and find a deeper appreciation for it. Yeah, that's pretty fun. A few years ago, I don't remember which one it was. I think it was the Eagles game. I bet on the coin toss, the length of the national anthem, which coach would challenge first, all types of fun. And I crushed it. It was amazing.
Starting point is 00:25:12 I just got on a heater. I had a ton of fun. And, you know, it's like small bets for each one. But I liked it when you're with a lot of people. And you'd be like, oh, let's get tails, tails, tails. You know, everybody goes crazy or whatever. So, obviously, that won't be the case this year, so it won't be quite as fun. But still, you can have fun and a little game within the game.
Starting point is 00:25:30 All right, so I know you want to talk about the first turnover of the game. Interception minus 160, fumble plus 140. What goes into this prop for you? Well, okay, so first of all, let's talk about the fact that Kansas City is favored by three, three and a half, depending on where you're looking, and that the over-under is 56, 56 and a half. So, like, I think that's a good place to start, because you have to imagine with an over-under that high, there's going to be a lot of opportunities for interceptions. And with a game this close, there's going to be a lot of chasing. So that kind of factors in. That's where you have to begin. For me, the first turnover of the game is interesting because I love Honey Badger. I love Tyron Matthew. He did pick off Tom Brady in Week 12 when these two teams met over the regular season. I think that's why the interception option is favorited. However, I also am looking at the fact that Eric Fisher and Mitchell Schwartz will be out as offensive starting linemen for Patrick Mahomes. Now,
Starting point is 00:26:33 Patrick Mahomes this morning said that his toe is close to 100%, not a problem. Well, of course he's going to say that, but we all know that toe injuries linger, and that is just not something you snap your fingers and is automatically better. We also know that Shaq Barrett and JPP have been bringing the pressure regularly. They both sacked Mahomes in that week 12 contest I mentioned a little bit earlier. And Todd Bowles is by no means a wallflower. So I want to say fumble because I think that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to bring the heat immediately and it might be a little bit of an upset.
Starting point is 00:27:08 Okay. Yeah, you get plus 140 on that. I like it. Yeah, the offensive line injuries are certainly a concern in this game. And will there be a successful two-point conversion? Yes, plus 200. No, minus 240.
Starting point is 00:27:22 I'm feeling yes. I'm just... Yes! Yeah, right? right of course all the points yeah exactly we gotta get to 56 of course also uh in 2019 the bucks led the nfl in two-point conversions we saw bruce arians by the way go for it in like the second quarter against washington when he didn't even need to. Now I will say that in 2020, the bucks have not been particularly efficient in converting those two point conversions,
Starting point is 00:27:51 but we know that Arians is like down for it because of his play calling style. And meanwhile, though Kansas city has maintained a two point conversion rate of a hundred percent. So I think the odds are likely that we'll see at least one. Yeah. You got to convert it. Cause if you sit there and you bet, yes, that there'll be a successful one.
Starting point is 00:28:09 And then they, and you get plus 200, you double your money and then they line up for a two point conversion and they don't convert. Then you're going to be pretty upset. Like you just expect that you expect these two teams to convert. If they line up for a two point conversion, a total interceptions in the game over one and a half is the game. Over one and a half is plus 120.
Starting point is 00:28:25 Under one and a half is minus 140. Over, right? Over. I'm taking the under. What? Yeah. Okay. Well, you like,
Starting point is 00:28:34 you just think they're going to fumble all the time. No, no, no. I think there will be an interception and I will give it to the honey badger, like I already said. But Tom Brady is coming off of a game in which against green bay in which he turned the ball over three times i don't think tom brady with the ice water running through his veins in the postseason makes that mistake in his home stadium
Starting point is 00:28:56 in the super bowl and also mahomes has been clean throughout the postseason so i will take the under because everyone else has taken the over. Over is plus 120. Under is minus 140. Okay. I guess these quarterbacks are not bad, so maybe they won't throw two interceptions. Tampa Bay Bucs total sacks recorded in a game over two or under two. What do you got?
Starting point is 00:29:19 How many sacks for the Bucs? Well, it's probably not going to surprise you. I'm going over. They had two in week 12, I think, with the offense, and that was with Eric Fisher in the lineup. So I'll take the over on this one. Okay. And then Chris Godwin, total receiving yards. You wanted to talk about it 74 and a half. Can we please give this guy some love? I've been seeing the prop.
Starting point is 00:29:37 I mean, this is married a little bit to the, who do you think will have the most receiving yards prop? And obviously the chalk play is Travis Kelsey. Tyreek Hill is a nice second option, but I would like to give Godwin some shine. He is coming off of 110 yard effort, probably no Antonio Brown. So we know the target volume will stay steady.
Starting point is 00:29:56 Plus LeJarrius Sneed is a rookie and this is a big game. And he is also a rookie who suffered a concussion and the AFC championship game. When I look at the projected point total and I imagine the point chasing, I think Godwin is going to pad his stats. It would not surprise me to see him go over a hundred in this one. Yeah, I'm pretty high on Chris Godwin too, but I just can't get past this thing. I talked about it with Mike McClure on yesterday's show. The Chiefs are just really good against wide receivers. They gave up the second fewest fantasy points to wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:30:30 It's just weird. But I do like, what was it, 74.5 yards? Yeah, I would definitely take the over there. What if Antonio Brown plays? Would you get off of that bet? No. Because how effective is he going to be if he's been doubtful with a knee injury leading up into the game I mean then I think there might be a decoy situation and also
Starting point is 00:30:50 you know Cameron Brait by the way like if you're looking for a value play in DFS Cameron Brait has drawn I think over the postseason at least five targets in every single game Gronk was the one who went over 100 yards in week 12. But over the postseason, Brate, I also believe, has had at least one red zone target in each postseason contest, I believe. So I think Brate is a sneaky DFS value, too. Six, five, and five targets
Starting point is 00:31:18 in three postseason games for Cameron Brate. And the Chiefs have allowed 50 yards or a touchdown to a tight end in eight of their last nine games. Uh, Shraggy B with the note here, uh, Chris Godwin's receiving line now for the yards.
Starting point is 00:31:31 It's now down to 73 and a half from 74 and a half. That was within the last 30 minutes it's gone down. So they must've gotten ahold of our, of our rundown and, uh, messing with us. Yeah, we are.
Starting point is 00:31:43 Well, you are. All right. Well, Liz, thank you very much. You want to give us a prediction? Yeah, I'm going to take Tampa Bay. And my MVP,
Starting point is 00:31:53 it'll probably be Tom Brady, right? But my MVP is JPP. Oh, okay. All right. That's a nice story. I still like the Chiefs by three at this point, which is, you know, when you pick exactly what Vegas has,
Starting point is 00:32:06 you must feel really, you gotta feel really good about that. Huh? And I like it to go under, I think it's going to be a little lower scoring than we want, but still in the fifties, still a pretty high scoring game. What's your final total.
Starting point is 00:32:19 I think it could be very close. It was 27, 24 the first time they played. So I will get crazy. Let's go 28-25? Why not? So that much under. Because you said a little under, so I'm trying to figure out
Starting point is 00:32:34 what your final score is. Yeah, what did we say yesterday, Ben, with Mike? He has it like 54 points or something? Yeah, 54 and a half. So let's go 28-25. Yeah. 28-25. Yeah, take that. 28-25. It's pretty far under, I guess.
Starting point is 00:32:49 I would take 32-29 bucks, which is also under. I really don't care who wins. That's the nice thing. I want us to have a great game. And we'll be talking about it on Twitch throughout the night. So it'll be fun. Liz Loza, follow her at Liz Loza, L-O-Z-A underscore F-F on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:33:10 And thank you very much for joining us. We really appreciate it. Thank you much. And we'll talk to you later in the week. Friday, we have our big Superbowl preview with Jamie, Dave, and Heath.
Starting point is 00:33:19 I'm Adam for Ben and Liz. Talk to you then.

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