Fantasy Football Today - Preseason Week One Risers and Fallers: The Rookie RBs are On the Move (08/11 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

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This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports. What a play! Can you believe this? It's a no idea. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races and he stays on his feet. It's just going to go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.

What's up, everybody? Welcome to the show. It's fantasy football today presented by BetMGM, the sports book born in Vegas. Monday, August 11th. We're here to talk about the preseason winners and losers. Travis E.T.N. played every snap with the first team offense. What's, what's that all about? Where was Tank Bigsby? Travis Hunter also very involved with the first team offense.

We're going to talk about players that are not on the Jaguars. We have injuries to Tyreek Hill, Jaden Reed, Rashad White. Matthew Stafford's supposed to practice today. So we're going to update you on everything you need to know. We got risers and fallers. I'm Adam. We got Jamie and Heath. Can I give my big, uh, Adam's big overreaction of the day? please that's what the preseason's all about people guess who averaged eight yards per carry

and played at the goal line with the first team eight yards per carry go ahead heath you got it right what you say Isaiah Pacheco had one carry for eight yards and of course did not have a rushing touchdown but it was nice that he was on the field while my homes threw a touchdown exactly it was it was nice that was the car Cardinals fumbled the opening kickoff. The Chiefs took over deep in their territory, eight-yard run for Pacheco, pass interference in the end zone,

first and goal at the one, and then Mahomes threw a touchdown to Jason Brownlee. But I was glad that Pacheco didn't come off the field. It was only his third snap of the game. Would anyone else like to overreact? Trevion Henderson over James Cook. I see your Treveon Henderson over James Cook, and I raise you, R.J. Harveston.

over James Cook, too. I don't know. I mean, I feel like they were just kind of auditioning Harvey a little bit because he played most of the snaps. Didn't, didn't Peyton say something about that? How, like, how Dobbins is going to get more work next week or something to that effect? Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So, first of all, are you really putting Trayvian Henderson and R.J. Harvey ahead of James Cook? I did, yes. I really put Henderson ahead of James Cook, yes. And what if he shows up to camp tomorrow or he's in camp? But what if he... Did you see Trayvion Henderson? What if James Cook signs...

They're both hard timebacks. Did you see who the first three carries, I think, went to? Yeah. Remandre Stevenson, who did very well, should add. You can't keep that, Jeannie in the bottle. I think there is a world where both Henderson and Stevenson can be decent, if not both good. So, question, though. James Cook signs a contract tomorrow, and he's back.

You're really going to stick with Harvey and Henderson ahead of... Cook, or is it just because of that? Today, I will say yes. It's not, like, I've been skeptical of James Cook all summer, so it's not just because of that. Harvey's not a full-time back, probably, Henderson's not a full-time back, probably, Cook's not a full-time back, probably. Cook's in a better offense, but Henderson and Harvey may catch a lot more passes.

I guess I'm understanding why Travion Henderson's being viewed. as a, you know, week one winner, which is risky anyway. But he returns the opening kickoff 100 yards for a touchdown. He had three catches. He only had one carry. Remandre had seven.

So... What do you do with that one carry? What do you do with that one carry? Yeah, a little bit better than Pacheco, 18 yards. He also had 60% of Drake May's targets. Yeah, but Stefan Diggs didn't play, right? So, no.

I don't think that changes. Well, I don't think he's getting 60% target share. But no, right, no, I get it. But Harvey, why, what did he do that was so impressive to you? I think that's the usage we're going to see. Seven carries for 25 yards, one catch for four yards. Dobbins had no carries and one catch. I don't play on obvious passing notes.

Okay. I think there's also a world where Dobbins and Harvey can exist. Okay, okay. I didn't move Harvey much, but, yeah, I mean, it certainly, wasn't, I mean, it just depends on what they were trying to do. I think next week will maybe tell us more. So I'm going to ask you guys for a big riser and a big faller. Did you just give me the big riser?

I mean, the big faller for me is obvious. It's one of my favorite guys got hurt. It sucks. Dave? Tadier. Oh, Tadjay Spears. Yeah. Yeah.

So there are two significant running back injuries. unless I'm missing one. Tadje Spears, who's got a high ankle sprain. He hasn't been ruled out for week one. Worth noting that I thought he only played one snap with Cam Ward. I read he may have played three, but I had him as only true media had him as with one snap with Cam Ward on the field. And then Tony Pollard even got the goal line touchdown.

And I had been talking about how last year they used Spears near the goal line exclusively, basically, when both were healthy. So Pollard was the man. I think if they had kept playing with Cam Ward, you probably would have seen Spears more, maybe on the third drive or something. But then he got hurt later. So that's worth noting.

But Spears is going to miss a few weeks with a high ankle sprain. Rashad White has a groin injury. And Todd Bowles said they need to give Sean Tucker the ball more. Yeah, they're going to now. When Rashad White missed week six at New Orleans, both Tucker and Irving had a huge game. They scored 51 points in that game.

Obviously, it was just a huge game. But Irving, who, again, I mentioned one of the drawbacks, I think, with him is last year he had one of the lowest third down snapshares. He was the primary third down back in the game without Rashad White. Now, of course, it's August 11th. Their first game, I think, is on September 7th. Rashad White, Taj Spears could be back. So, Jamie, how are we looking at these two running back injuries? I think just knowing that Spears missed five games last year and parts of others, it,

I won't put Spears back to where I had him, which was inside the top 40 at running back. So he dropped, I think I had him 39. I dropped him to 49. Pollard was outside the top 24. He is now inside the top 24. And so Pollard played seven games last year where he had at least 73% of the snaps or more. In four of those, he scored at least 14.5 p.m. So I think anytime Spears is off the field, he's got top 15 upside.

So in the event that Spears misses a couple of weeks in the regular season to start, because this could be a four to six week injury. We don't know how bad it is. The fact that he was card off in a walking boot on crutches, I mean, probably not ideal. So my guess is they'll take some time. Their depth is terrible. I mean, Julius Chestnut, I believe, is still the third running back on the team. So it could be just a lot of Tony Pollard.

And I think the thing that we were kind of operating on, you know, industry-wise, you know, NFL-wise, is a better offense because of Cam Ward. And so if the offense is better, we know this offensive line has a lot of potential based on the players that they brought in the last couple years. And the coaching staff with Bill Callahan, like this could be a great situation for Tony Pollard. So I don't want to get over-excited about him because, like you said, Adam Spears could return. But I think this puts him, you know, easily in the RB2 conversation where he may have been outside that, depending on which rank list you're looking at. In terms of the other backfield, you mentioned that they want to use Sean Tucker. I don't think this really changes much for Bucky Irving.

It's hard to say he goes now from that group of Jacobs, Taylor, Chase Brown, Kyron Williams, you know, after the top six or top seven, excuse me. I don't think he jumps into the top seven. But if you want to put him at the top of that group, I have no problem with that. So he's, he moved up one spot for me. I moved ahead of Jonathan Taylor. Bucky, okay. Does anybody think that Sean Tucker could be their goal lineback?

He feels like the most suited. And I feel like it'll be Bucky, but he feels like the most suited to. to be their goal line back, right? He's kind of the most powerful, I'd say, and Bucky wasn't great near the goal line last year. Rashad White certainly isn't a goal line back. I don't know, just a thought. Could be.

Yeah, just a thought. I don't want to scare anybody off of Bucky Irving, but if they want to use them more, that would seem like an area that might make sense. Just a, just, it's not even speculation, just thinking out loud. Maybe I should have kept it to myself. Look, the problem would be is if they're using all three guys, You know, so I don't think Tucker's touches come fully at the expense of Rashad White if he's healthy.

It's going to come at the expense of Bucky to some extent. So, Thomas, can we look at the next page of the consensus rankings again, the one with Trayvion Henderson on it and Tony Pollard and just kind of see where we are on Henderson and R.J. Harvey. Are we still thinking round five for those guys? I put them in round four. Four. well four i think i have henderson four harvey five but okay another follower for me and i put both ahead of this guy as well as bruce hall oh let me show you a screenshot if you're watching youtube dot com slash fantasy football today if you want to see this little screenshot of bruce hall i was so

disappointed in bris hall like braylin allen gets one carry like rockets up the middle for tenish yards look at this carry for bruce hall he needs to go to his right there is such an obvious mid-cutback lane with a lead blocker with a with a guard ready to block for him this is a two-yard gain to the left i just i just like and dave you know gave us a list of risers and fallers he's he's not going to be on the show today he might come late and he had almost faller he had brees hall he wants to give him a little more time but again you know it's not just an opportunity thing with brys hall he hasn't been the same back since his rookie year he needs to play better i don't know i look at this look at this don't this should have been a big game jump to the right there

buddy r button or whatever that is i think the r button gets you smashed by the guy who's completely unblocked in one yard up field on the right who maybe a v or to the right i i wish i had an angle from the back but i i think that he should not he i thought he missed the cutback lane big time maybe it it's hard to tell with with pictures of plays it is hard to tell isn't it but why did you say breeze hall jami where you did you see the same thing just kind of uninspired Uninspired, the rotation, everything we've heard this off-season. I mean, just everything's falling in line with what Aaron Glenn said he wanted to do. He wants to use three guys.

And so the fact that at least two are going to play prominently, maybe one at the goal line. Like, I don't think Breece Hall is going. Yes, Justin Fields checks down more than we probably realize. He's going to throw it to his running backs. They're not going to be awful in the past game like you may think. But to the extent of where Breece Hall was at his best in his second season after the ACLs here, which we thought he was going to be horrible, he had, what, 75. catches. I mean, he's not going to be that involved in a passing game to that level.

And if he's not running to the same level and getting those opportunities, he's still an RB2, but they're just a handful of guys I'd rather have over from right now. So I put him, I had him ahead of Camara and Chuba and Connor and then the two rookies, and I put all those guys ahead of him. And I'm on the verge of putting power ahead of him, too, if we're going to find out that Tai Chi Spears is going to miss several weeks in the regular season. But are you worried that just a general crest question? It's really hard to watch football and not react to it. You know,

Brees Hall, I think he had three carries, right? Trayvon and Henderson had won. Are you worried that you're overreacting, changing your rankings this dramatically after preceding him before? Obviously, there's concern with that. And that's when you asked, you know, if James Cook says, and so today the answer would be,

yes, I would put those two guys ahead of James Cook. But in the case of Brees Hall, this is not going against the narrative. This is fitting the narrative. This is what the coach said at the owner's meetings. I want to use a rotation of three guys. We have whatever his phrasing was. And then you've heard all the drumbeat for Braylon Allen, Braylon Allen, Braylon Allen.

And they're rotating throughout the offensive series with the first group. And so how can you not be panicked about him? Breece Hall is currently, according to ADP, a mid to late third round guy in PPR. No chance. That's a hard pass for us, right? Yep. Heath, you agree? I think I've got my three-four turn.

Oh, okay. So, yeah, he's round five for me now. Okay, we've heard the case against Brise Hall. Heath, you want to say why you're not lowering him that much? I still expect he's going to have a very big role in the passing game. I know Fields is the running quarterback, but he's had a very high checkdown rate each of the past two seasons. And I think somebody in the chat said it.

He did come out of the game when Fields and Garrett Wilson came out, and Raylon Allen and Isaiah Davis were still playing. Lang later. So I still think it's going to be a committee, but I still think he's going to be the lead back of the committee. And in full PPR, which is what we're talking about, I still think he's going to catch a lot of passes. Okay. So Braylon Allen had 92 carries last year. He averaged only 3.6 yards per carry. Breeze Hall averaged 4.2 yards per carry. Braylin Allen's longest run was 20 yards. He had one carry, 92 carries, one of them longer than 12 yards. So I think, you know, if you want to believe in Breeze Hall, I don't think we have a lot of proof that Braylin

Allen is some really good he's not David Montgomery so far through one year it's only well right what I mean what I think having only 90 he said 90 carries in NFL like we could lean a little bit on the fact that he was a complete stud as a 17 year old in college and in a very very good college running back like he's probably good it's also this isn't brailyn Allen's better than breeze hall this is just brailyn Allen is a problem for breeze hall yeah okay um any other big risers or followers you want to talk about now to headline the show that people really need to know about because we will try to get to everything that you may have seen or missed in week one big uh i moved bigsby behind et n

i didn't really move et n okay it was interesting i mean it was et n for all of the trevor lawrence snaps and then bigsby came in okay heath how about you did you make that switch i already had et n ahead of bigsby still i have bigsby with 70 more rush attempts, but I just, in full PPR, the reception work for E.N had kept him just ahead of Bigsby. So they are, they're very, very close. They're both right around, I think,

RB 34 or something. I think it's going to be a mess. Yeah, really the only one that I want would be Tootin. Just with the potential of what he might be. And that's with a later pick. I think you have to spend an earlier pick in the middle

rounds on E.N. and Bigsby. I don't know. And so you see, we're not alone at him. Trevion Henderson moved into the late third round in the draft I did last night, according to Scott from the Chet. And I think we'll see that more and more. Yep. Okay. Yeah, look, I want to get excited about Henderson.

He was, I love, I mean, he's amazing. He's a star, but never. He reminds me a little bit of Jemir Gibbs, like what he could be. Oh, yeah. Look, he was the number one running back recruit in the country. He was so much more efficient than Quinn Sean Judkins. who he shared a backfield with, both overall and especially in the Big Ten. He just never, as we had Emery on to talk about him, he never was able to seize control

the job. He was not a big workload guy. So he was always used in a tandem. Now, we think he's just going to get a lot of dump-offs, a lot of catches, and it won't really matter. But I just have to bring up both sides of it. But in terms of the talent. And make a lot of big plays.

Like, not going to just going to be a lot of six-yard catches. I think also you have to take into account. Stevenson, it's got a fumble issue. And what happens if he does fumble, how much do they put on Henderson's plate? Sky's the limit for him. He's an incredibly talented guy. All right.

More risers and fallers a little bit later in the show. We've got to talk about the Packers' receivers. Jaden Reed has a foot sprain, and his status for week one is uncertain. But there are some very important things I need to talk to about right now. FFT open and draft-a-thon stuff, it's time to raise a little bit of money,

and we're running out of time if you want to be in the podcast league. This is your opportunity to do it. But let's go to tiny URL.com slash 2025 FFT. And what you really want to do now is you want to click on, you scroll down a little bit

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The 12th pick. It's not just the first pick. It's having that spot in the draft. To be in it and have the first pick, have the 14th pick. The 12th pick, the 9th pick, the 9th, 4th pick, 8th pick. There are no bids on those yet. So you've got three and a half days to join the podcast league. I think people aren't really aware of this page.

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And then there's the tennis match, which I'm getting really excited for. The spread has been set. Heath, last year, you set the spread at two and a half games for me to win in two sets. I did not cover. I won only two games. I lost 6-2-60. Today or this year, you have set the spread at four and a half games for me to win in two sets. What was behind that, Mr. Odsmaker?

Dan said he's been playing more golf than tennis. You really committed yourself to the game, become a student of the game. So I'm projecting a 6361. I think the question is, when is your spirit crushed? You will start off very competitive, but at some point, I anticipate, just like last year, the realization's going to hit, and you're just going to want to get over with as soon as possible because of the embarrassment of the moment.

I think if he steals a couple points early, it's going to be bad for Dan. Points are games. I would, and I think you'll hold on a little longer than you last year, but by the time it gets to like, like you lost the first one, six, three, and then you're down two oh, might be a problem. So here's the thing.

Last year, I didn't know about the spread. And I lost the first set, six, too. If I had known about the spread and known that you, Heath, had bet against me last year, I would have been more motivated in the second set. I kind of gave up. Speaking of motivation, that's been a concern of mine also. So I think I might make, and we'll just wait until tomorrow, but I might add an incentive for Dan if he can shut you up.

I don't feel like we got the best of Dan, and I'd like to see Dan really desire to not let you win a game. Oh, he does desire that. But I don't think he dominates Adam like he did last year. I hope not. I've really, I've played so much. I would hope not. But the other, the aspect of this is if you want to be in the, there's a fantasy football today league. It's not the podcast league. It's just the FFT League, another long running league that we're all in. If you want to co-manage a team with us, you can co-manage with me or you can

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We have a live stream tomorrow night at 8 p.m. Eastern, Tuesday night, 8 p.m. Eastern. 7 p.m. 8 p. Eastern. 7 p.m. Eastern. YouTube.com slash fantasy football today. And we've got sleepers breakouts and bust coming up this week. Keith, that interrupt you? I just had one quick question. So let's say you lose the first set, 6.3, and you're down 5'1, and you win that fifth game. Will you celebrate the victory? No. I'm here to win it. I'm here to win it. You would win it. He's so in it to win it. He's shooting down all the fun ideas that we have because he's so competitive and just wants to make this about it.

There are no fun ideas. There are fun ideas. I haven't heard of seeing them with you because you're being a little Debbie Downer about it. I think people want to see us actually play. I don't think they want to see me play. I think people would rather see some more fun stuff. Like, oh, Adam plays left-handed.

This is so dumb. No. All right. Anyway, we got to take a break. When we come back, more from preseason week one. and yeah, we'll be right back. Get to Toronto's main venues like Budweiser Stage and the new Roger Stadium with Go Transit.

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slash tickets. Somebody said that I think Dave, Jamie, and Heath should broadcast the match live. I forgot to mention that is actually happening. Are you not part of that, Heath?

I think I am. Okay, good. I'm questionable, but potentially. Okay, no, that is happening. That's going to be on YouTube 4 p.m. on Thursday. YouTube.com slash fantasy football today. News and notes.

Tyree Kill, oblique injury. Jeremy Fowler of ESPN reports that teams are monitoring his future and wondering if he could become available in trade. Meanwhile, Jalen Waddle is also injured, and Dolphins running back Alexander Madison has neck and shoulder soreness.

Seems like a little bit of a, I don't want to say a mess, but a little bit of uncertainty, I guess, in the Dolphins passing game with the receivers right now, Jamie, your read on this? Not panicking yet, but obviously not ideal, you know, after the first week or two of camp where Tyreek was seemingly saying all the right things and on the, you know, path to wanting to make amends with his teammates and certainly to a tongue of Iloa, then you have the injury and the strange comments

about Devon A. Chan, Jalen Wright, and who should be the goal lineback. I don't know. It feels like this team spends a little bit too much time trying to troll the media per se with some of the things Mike McDaniel does and maybe Tyreek as well. He posted something on X, I miss you, Dolphins, Twitter or something like that. And I was reading some of the comments that were like, stop missing us and start playing. was the sentiment, you know, so I, I had him in round two. I dropped him to early round three.

Oh, okay. I would say that's a big faller. It's not a task. I mean, you know, it's just moving a few guys around. So I had like, I think Bucky Irving was early round three for me. I moved him in a round two. I had T. McBride early round three. I moved him back into round two, you know, so it was just moving a couple guys around.

I did move T. Higgins ahead of him. I think I mentioned that last week. Heath, any concerns about Tyreek? Yeah, but they were mostly reflected in my rankings. I'm not going to drop him below Ladd, who's the next guy behind Tyreek, I think somewhere in that early round three range. I'm pretty concerned about,

I mean, I don't like the fact that Waddle's hurt again either. So at least a chance there. But that's about the only thing I'm certain of in that offense. Heath, Jaden Reed, as a foot sprain. His status for week one is uncertain. Is this affecting your Packers rankings at all?

I was just looking at that. I think the guy, because I was already pretty high on Matthew Golden, and I think it's wheels up for him. I think he'll be the best receiver on the Packers. But the guy who is interesting as Romeo Dobbs because he has been kind of old faithful for the Packers that we like to ignore in fantasy,

but he's apparently had a very, very good camp. And it may just be Golden and Dobbs is the top two guys early in this season. I was already had Jaden Reed in around 10. I'm not sure at that cost, you really move him down that much unless you find a low-end wide receiver that moved up for you.

But it's mostly just confirmation of Matthew Golden being what he is and maybe a little more hope for Romeo Dobbs being a decent flex. By the way, someone said, and this is, I think, fantasy relevant from the Smitty. Dolphins suck every year. Who cares what's going on LOL? And that's just not true. They are, I would say, underrated. When two is healthy, they are a borderline playoff team.

And then they get killed by a really good team. but you know like last year they went eight and nine and two a missed five games so they i think they made the playoffs the previous two years right so or something like yeah i believe mcdaniel is something like eight games over 500 with two they were 11 and six twoa stayed healthy in 2023 they went 11 and six 2020 they went nine and eight and they got they only lost by three with skyler thompson to the bills so no they don't suck they're actually a they're actually an elite offense when Tua and Tyreek and A. Chan are healthy. Zach Wilson looked bad, man.

Yeah, well, you know, Matthew Stafford is going to practice today. That's great news. Rashad Whiteherd is growing. We told you that. And they said they need to give Sean Tucker the ball more. We told you that. Tage Spears is going to miss a few weeks with a high ankle sprain, which is an injury that, by the way, can have an effect. I'm not saying it necessarily will, but it's sometimes people struggle coming back. Right. Jonathan Taylor's an example. a guy who struggled a little bit coming after a high ankle sprain. Ken Walker mispracticed with an undisclosed injury. A lot of that.

Chicago cornerback Jalen Johnson dealing with a leg injury. Baltimore running back Keaton Mitchell has an injury, but it's described as not major. He's had a great game on Thursday. The 49er signed Jeff Wilson for a little bit of depth. Here's what the Colts are going to do in week two. They're going to play a little bit of Daniel Jones, but Anthony Richardson's going to get the bulk of the first half work.

And that's great because he hurt his finger, dislocated his finger. He's back. Houston safety, C.J. Gardner Johnson, very important player for the Eagles last year. It looked like he had a serious knee injury, but he's going to be ready for, he could be ready for week one. How about the 70-yard field goal, Heath, by Cam Little? That's great. Change your kicker rankings? No.

Jamie? Was that more impressive than Ray Davis kicking for Buffalo? Oh, I didn't see that. Why did he kick? Get those fantasy points. About that. Um, 70-yard field goal would have been a record. Okay, we got to keep an eye on Landon Dickerson for the Eagles.

Has there been an update? He was carted off from practice. He's a starting offensive guard, and he's a great one at that. I haven't seen anything there. Rondell Moore out for the season with a knee injury for Minnesota. That's tough news. Two big knee injuries now for Ron Delmore. And the Jets took Jermaine Johnson, a star defensive end off the Pup list.

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Just make sure that you use the bonus code fantasy when you sign up. Here's a lightning round segment. Hey, real quick, who would you rather have? Pooka Nakuwa and Brian Thomas Jr. Or Christian McCaffrey and Josh Jacobs? What's the format? Half PPR. The running backs.

I'm going to stay with the receivers. I am very surprised that Jamie said the running backs. Okay. Full PPR? The receivers. Next up, hey, real quick, who would you rather have? You're just going to start your team with CD Lamb. your next two picks are going to be either

Brock Bowers and Jaden Daniels or Drake London and your favorite running back available there, James Cook, Ken Walker, Marion Hampton, Brees Hall, Trayvion, Hendon, whatever it is. That's a mid-round three. So you start C.D. Lamb, you either go Bowers and Daniels

and you get the onesies, or you go Drake London and your favorite running back. Onesies for me. London and running back. What's the best best? combo there? Is it London and Daniels? Is it

Bowers and Daniels? Is it Bowers in running back? For me, it would be London and if Bowers falls to round three. No. Only one of those running backs that I have ahead of Daniels and I'm not sure, especially if he doesn't, is Ken Walker.

I'm not taking James Cook ahead of Daniels. I'm not taking Hampton yet. I'm not taking Breeshall ahead of Daniels. So it's just is Ken Walker healthy. Right. It would be Walker for me. You're not taking Trayvion Henderson and RJ Harvey over Daniels, are you? No, no.

Okay. Last one. You got the first pick. Would you rather go Jamar Chase, Kyrin Williams, Chase, Chase Brown? Or Bejohn Robinson, Kyron Williams, T. Higgins. Chase. Chase. Okay.

So two chases, Chase Jamar and Chase Brown. All right. Team Name Tuesday on a Monday. This is from Brett. Abanacanda don't want none. Very good. I only read that because I want to encourage people to bring back team name Tuesday. It's been too long.

Let's do some Team Name Tuesday this year. Talking about risers and followers, talking about everything from... Hi, Dave. What's up? Dave's here. Talking about everything from week one in the preseason. I only counted three games where we had even a single drive of starters versus starters. And to me, I think it was Jets Packers, Chiefs, Cardinals, and Giants Bills.

And even in that, you know, you have a lot of starters that are sitting. But Josh Allen didn't play. Yeah, he didn't play. James Cook didn't play. But Leak Neighbors, Dexter Lawrence, Andrew Thomas, didn't play. But some starters versus some starters, there were only three games that I saw. So let's take that for what it's worth. So, Dave, you gave a list of risers and fallers.

Jamie and Heath basically co-signed on it and we can talk about it other than other than R.J. Harvey, Tony Pollard and Trayvion Henderson. And I guess Braylon Allen we've covered as well. Dave, you put Drake May on the list. Go ahead. Your thoughts on let me just give his stats real quick. Drake May was three of five for 12 yards, but any fumbled. And he had the 16 yards and a rushing touchdown on the ground.

Go ahead. Fumble was a stupid play. I'm also counting what I saw from him in the joint practice against the commanders. as a reason to move him up. I'm encouraged by how he threw the ball in practice. He didn't really see him throw the ball much in the game. Only five pass attempts. I think he's taking a step forward.

And he keeps talking about how we're not going to have a ton of design runs. I don't want to run that much. Well, both in the joint practice and in the preseason game, he ran for a short yardage touchdown. So I think he's going to be able to give us the rushing production between yardage and touchdowns that we're hoping. for on draft day. And I do wish that he had a better receiving core, but what he's working with now isn't bad. I believe it's Jamie, who had him in the top 12 first. I'm not quite there yet,

but he's absolutely draftable, totally worth taking as a second QB, definitely worth that double digit round range, probably the best quarterback with high upside that you can get. You were also at the bear's dolphins, right? I was not. Oh, you were not. I'm sorry. I was not. I'm going to Bill's Bears this week. Oh, you went to the Dolphins practice before that. I went to a Dolphins practice. They practice against themselves.

Did you guys see what Taran Armstead said about Caleb Williams? No. Dan tweeted it. You know what? Let me just make sure it was him before I discuss this. But it was just... It was Dan's roommate. Wait a minute.

Dan's roommate is Taran Armstead? Probably like I was angry. He couldn't get the refrigerator. where the heck is this okay one of the so dan dan quote tweeted it it was former saints and dolphins left tackle taran armstead on caleb williams and the bear's offense during joint practice with the dolphins on friday and dan said one of the best firsthand player accounts on the importance of processing both pre snap and post snap and the impact it has on whether you can be successful playing quarterback on the NFL level and basically toron armstead was just saying like he's he watched caleb will and he's just not processing well and i mean i guess i was turning this into are you all all taking Drake May over Caleb Williams. Oh, yeah. Heath, you'd be the holdout here. Where are you on that?

Yeah, I moved Drake May up late last week. He's up to QB-18 for me. So I've got Caleb at 16, May at 18. They're basically in the same spot. If you follow Dan at Dan Schneier, S-C-H-N-E-I-E-R NFL, you can see the video of Toronto Armstead talking about Caleb Williams, and I think it's an important one to watch.

All right, R-J Harvey, Tony Powell, Braylon Allen. Teteroa McMillan had a nice, a nice debut. Should have had a touchdown. Yeah, he dropped a touchdown. Calvin Ridley.

That's going to be a touchdown once the season starts. Calvin Ridley as well. Heath, how do you feel about Teteroa McMillan and Calvin Ridley? One of them is a borderline wide receiver two. One of them's a borderline wide receiver three.

I'm excited about McMillan. I, like anybody falls out of that top. 20, and he's going to be knocking on the door. I haven't quite got him there. But I think both he and Travis Hunter could have very impactful rookie seasons. I'm glad that Calvin Ridley's healthy right now. He's more towards the end of the blob, Waltzats, at the top of the blob.

So I don't know what you guys thought about Bryce Young, but Dan talked. Yeah, I don't know. Have you feel this way? Because I thought this was a real strength of his in college. He moves around in the pocket so well. He has to. He does. He's small, and he escapes pressure well.

He moves well. That's a really lethal thing, a guy getting out of containment there and moving on the run, whatever. The touchdown play was great. I mean, it's a perfect indication of what you're talking about. You know, didn't panic, move to his right, you know, told Koker basically where to go,

you know, back in the end zone, great throw. Yeah. So it wouldn't be, I know he's not being drafted in a lot of one QB leagues, but I don't think it would surprise us if Bryce Young's getting picked up pretty early in the season, right? Not at all.

there's three quarterbacks that I struggle with keeping them in the spots that they are. Anthony Richardson's obvious because if he's ever going to be good at something, it's going to be fantasy more so than reality. It's Michael Pennix because I think there's a lot of upside in that offense and what the Falcons passing game could be, and clearly what he showed in college and even in the three games last year. And it's price young. You know, I think all three of those guys can be safe QB2s with upside to be borderline QB once. Now, a lot has to happen, guys getting hurt in front of them. in terms of them cracking the top 12, most likely.

And can they get to that 22 to 25 point range? Consistently, I think that's probably going to be a lot to ask. But can they be in that to a range, you know, 19, 20, 21 points? Sure. I mean, we saw it last year from Young at the end of the season. We saw it from Richardson at times, you know, earlier more so than later. You know, they're just not bad fallback options. And it goes to the bigger point of if you know your league and you see that these

guys are going to be on waivers like you don't have to take a second quarterback if you draft a drake may or a kiler murray or justin fields or some of the questionable starters because these guys will be available to you most likely in week one or week two if you need to pivot jacksonville carolina in week one i'm feeling a little bit of a bonanza there yeah might hit the game of the week music on that one day got to be bagels browns bagels browns what Oh, man. Mike Evan, you're the one who brought up is a pretty close spread, right?

Five and a half. The Browns have given the Bengals trouble. The Bengals are always terrible early in the season. And Joe Flaccoe's starting. I think that's why they're playing their guys more in the preseason. They're trying to fix that, the Bengals. Well, part of that is because they haven't had

the opportunity to play their guys because Burrough has gotten hurt. All right, Dave, what did you see from the box wide receivers because you have Mike Evans as a little bit of a riser and a mecca Buka as a riser? All right. And this is, again, going back to the joint practice that I saw between them and the Titans. If you didn't know Mike Evans age while you're watching in practice, you would think that he's like 27, 28, separating constantly.

And it's Tennessee and it's a practice. It's not a real game. So I think that that's obviously part of it. But he's just, he's moving very well. And I was told that he's in better shape now than he was two years ago. And you could tell just from watching him play. So that especially encourages me because he's ahead of the blob that he talks about, but it's kind of like a mini blob that's on top of the bigger blob.

And I'm looking for guys to separate from the mini blob that's on top of the bigger blob. And basically, I think he could qualify as a top 15 receiver, and he'd be a really good value. I don't have him that high. But he could still finish top 12 just based on how he looked. The fact that Godwin is also like, I don't know how close he really is and I don't know how good he's going to be

and I don't know how much the bucks need Chris Godwin because on top of Evans looking great and I should mention Jalen McMillan also look great. He looked great in the preseason game. A Mecca Buka is as advertised. Just runs really smoothly, great routes. I thought in the preseason game against Tennessee,

he flashed speed on a multiple of his routes. And I could see him finishing as the number two target getter in Tampa. He should not be viewed as a guy that's in round 10 or whatever and you pick them up and you just wait for something to happen. I think you're going to see him get drafted considerably higher than round 10. It's probably going to be round 7, 8 by the time we get to the start of the season. And it might be there now. I don't know what his ADP is. But those receivers really stood out for Tampa. And Baker really stood out as well. So I feel a lot more, I feel a lot better about the Tampa passing game after seeing them in

person, and those two receivers, McMillan and Abuka, more so seeing them in a preseason game. I think that's the problem for Evans, though, is that if these guys are all good, because if Godwin's coming back, which he is, and at what point we'll see, but he's going to be a factor, I just think that hurts the ceiling for Evans. I mean, I moved Evans up with Godwin's, you know, potential absence into the season. It's hard not to avoid him. And I don't think there was ever a question he was going to be the first Bucks receiver

drafted unless godwin had finished last season at 100% that would be the only case but you have just too many mouths to feed now and so if abuca is as good as advertised which is what he's looking like and and mcmillan's going to be a factor and godwin's going to be back at some point like there's a target crunch i think it's interesting there was one last year and those guys no there was not this there was no abuca okay that's fine it was not become anything until godwin got hurt right so And honestly, Evans didn't either for half of his games. Well, I mean, you know, Adams pointed out why. But in just the ceiling for Evans, like, I think Evans can do what he's done probably more times than we realize be 20 to 24 as opposed to 7 to 12.

Like, I think that's where he's going to end up unless there's got no Godwin for a significant stretch. Abuka looks like a rookie wide receiver who's just getting a lot of hype. And McMillan is just a touchdown guy. Like, it could really work out in Evans' favor, but you're asking, I think, more so that to happen as opposed to what we're kind of seeing. So I don't want to overvalue Evans. I understand, you know, seeing him, I'm sure he looks great. You know, there's no reason to doubt that he's hit that cliff yet and I hope it doesn't happen, but he's at that age. So, you know, like, for me, you know, I've, you know, been pushing the, he's getting older and, you know, looking at those first six games or seven games and how he was behind Godwin, you know,

by five points per game on average. Like, it's hard to, it's hard to bet against Evans now with Godwin being hurt. But if all these guys are going to be part of this, like, that's a lot to ask for Evans to be significantly better than the bunch. You know, I thought it was interesting at looking at this graphic. I have Agbuka right where he is in our consensus rankings at wide receiver 44. But I also have Godwin on this graphic too. And I wonder if there's a point.

Dave was talking about round seven, eight, Borromeca, Abuka. we might have a Mecca Abuka ahead of Chris Godwin by that point. They're about three spots apart from me right now. I think I have the Mecca. I think I have a Bucca at like 42 and Godwin's now down to like 37, 38. I've got 41 and 44 for them. So they're moving two ships, moving different directions. Yeah.

And that could be a mistake. You know, again, Godwin comes back and he's healthy. He may be better than Evans for all we know. He was last year. Okay. Let's take a break. We've got one more winner to get to, one more riser rather, from Dave. And then we got the fallers, including a rookie running back who I don't really think looked that good this past weekend.

I see what the other guys think about that. We'll be right back on fantasy football today. Dave, give me 20 seconds on why Zach Ertz is on your risers list. Granted, there was no Terry McLaurin on the field, and they really missed having McLaurin stretch the Patriots defense in their joint practice. But it just felt like every time pressure was on Jane Daniels, he was throwing to the middle of the field and it was Zacherts. I think that that's his security blanket. I think he's got a chance to be their number two targeter this year. He also does not look like somebody that's old and slow and on the way out.

I think he's a terrific tight end of draft. I can't live on the position early on. That was good. No, that was good. That was the 22 seconds. I'll accept that. Well, job, well done. And very good.

You're a terrible host if you accept that. That was fine. You gave me 20 seconds. I went over by two seconds. But you didn't have a timer. You didn't have a. The buzzer was justified. He used his all 22.

There you go. I also remember, I think it was Aaron Rogers a few years ago talking about how the joint practices are actually more beneficial than the preseason games. Because in the preseason games, the teams are extremely vanilla. They're going to actually play their defenses a little bit more in, you know, not just their base defense, but they'll maybe be a little bit more exotic in their joint practices. So I'm glad Dave was there. You brought up the Dolphins Bears. There was a lot of, it seemed mostly just from the Dolphins media complaining about some of the hitting the we're doing on the Dolphins players.

Oh, yeah? Hmm. There's a lot of complaining in Miami these days. Okay, the Fallers. Who's the rookie running back that I thought? It didn't really look that good. I got to see what the other guys is. Caleb Johnson.

Dave, he's on your list of, did anybody feel that way about Caleb Johnson? Oh, yeah. Not great. Okay, good. It wasn't just me. Let me just get the stats on Caleb Johnson. Eight carries for 20 yards,

one catch for six yards, had a pretty bad drop. And even the play that everybody's talking but oh, he got, he pushed down Travis Hunter, whatever. Like, I don't know, he didn't. Just, where's the burst? This guy's a big playmaker in college. I didn't see it.

But, all right, who's worried? Dave, you're actually moving Caleb Johnson down? Also, where the depth chart. Yeah, he didn't start. Gainwell started. And who didn't play? Warren didn't play. Yeah.

But we knew, but we know Warren's a factor, obviously. But if he's competing with Gainwell, more so that he's competing with Warren, like, not great. I think that is a big problem. That's a big problem, I think, is that if Jalen Warren gets hurt, Caleb Johnson's probably still not going to be a feature back. Gainwell, probably handle the passing downs. Yeah.

Yeah, so, okay, so Tony Pollard or Caleb Johnson? Oh, Pollard, for sure. Pollard, yeah. I'll take Pacheco over Caleb Johnson. Same. Yeah. Well, you should be taking Pacheco over Pollard. You take that back.

No. Taj Spears is not out for the year. Of course I feel that way. you were already coming around last week no I'll set the timer at the only questionable Pacheco thing you've done is hype up Pacheco so much

and then you took an injure Joe Mixon over well Joe Mixon was phenomenal last year I mean but maybe I shouldn't Pacheco eight eight yards per carry guys this past week Studley all right so Caleb Johnson

Does that mean that Travis Kelsey's a bus because he didn't run any route I mean, the biggest bust on fantasy Twitter is obviously Ashton Genty. Oh, yeah, they hate him. Oh, here's one. Here's a guy that I think you could say, you look at his role, you look at his involvement in one of the three games where he actually faced starters on defense and was with the starting team. Tyrone Tracy, right?

Didn't do anything special, whatever, but had a very good involvement, exactly what you want to see. Scataboo's injured right now. Singletary played, but didn't really affect Tracy. Would you rather have Tyrone Tracy or Caleb Johnson? Tracy. Still Johnson, but they've now moved closer to each other. They're back to back for me. They are nowhere.

They're at 28, 29. They are not top 20 type of fantasy running backs. And you've got, Dave, you got J.K. Dobbins as a follower. We talked about R.J. Harvey. All right. So if you already talked about Harvey, there's really not a whole lot else to say about Dobbins. I'm just worried that we didn't see anything from Dobbins because Sean Payton just

just, what was the quote you sent me from Sean Payton about how he's going to get Dobbins more involved next week? Did you send me that? I don't know. I don't know. I thought you did. You're going to check our private chat. Yeah.

Go ahead. Let's see. How do I get this clean out of my shirt? What did you say? Do you know any people who play tennis that look like me? Oh, here's the question. We divided up how we're going to play guys in phases. He'll continue to work with the ones.

That's Harvey. RJ probably had more snaps in Dobbins and then next week we'll flip it up to seeing some of the other backs. I don't even know if he's referencing Dobbins. I think it's possible that Sean Payton's already got his answer on how he's going to handle his run game. And so the one worry that I had, I don't know, a month ago about R.J. Harvey was that he could lose more than we wanted him to lose on the running downs to Dobbins. And now I'm wondering if all he's going to lose are third down plays. Dobbins is going to play there.

I don't think, I don't think Harvey's got much of a chance at those unless it's like third and one. If there's one team, though, where it doesn't necessarily matter, it's the Broncos. Well, sure. And the offensive line can stand to be better. I don't think the O-line had a good game. Oh, but they're considered one of the best in football. I know. That's right.

But just because they have a bad preseason game doesn't mean that's it. They're finished. It's over. I think they can be better. They'll play better. All right. Here's a list of other, well, Jalen Wright you had on there as a faller. What's that all about?

Four carries at the goal line couldn't get in. Alexander Madison had his short yardage carry he did get in and right this again I saw these guys practice right didn't impress in practice I don't think he's the clear cut handcuffed to HM almost fallers want to give them more time before I lower them from Dave Jamie right because I don't I'm trying not to overreact to preseason stuff it's different when you see Caleb Johnson and he he played a lot and he kind of looked like he the same flaws that he had in college are coming out here, especially when you consider like Arthur Smith said the word explosive when describing Caleb Johnson nine times in the press conference after they drafted him.

And I was just like, why? No, I agree with that completely. He's very explosive. He had a very, very high. He wasn't in his name. No, he wasn't. He wasn't. And he's not that fast.

But for whatever reason, his number is just like, this is not my opinion in terms of carries like of 20 or more yards he was one of the very best in college and it wasn't just because he had a lot it was his percentage of carries for 20 or more yards his percentage of carries Caleb johnson's percentage of carries sorry is buying time to look it up of 20 or more yards was 8.8 percent ashton genties was 6.7 percent travion henderson's was 6.9 percent no bun was even close to rj to Caleb johnson and like the 12 running backs that i looked at other than dj Giddens, who has 8.3%. R.J. Harvey, 7.7%.

But Caleb Johnson was the very best in that metric. He was of the running backs that I looked at, I think they were 12. I looked for this number. He was the most explosive of all of them. So why did he look like he was playing with bowling balls for shoes? I was stunned.

I saw, everybody saw the same thing. He just looked really slow. I think he's probably one of those guys where if he gets into the open field, he can hit that next gear. The second level, yeah. It takes a little while for him and yeah that might hurt him dancing in the backfield and slowing his feet maybe that's the key maybe he needs to just get over that and he can be a better runner i also wonder if it was a bad go ahead he like iowa's inability to complete forward passes

may have meant more stacked boxes and that's hard to run against but if you get past the first level you can run for a long time maybe maybe but you can see him you can see him get going and look good but Caleb Johnson is not look good. So the almost in preseason week one, almost fallers for Dave are Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence, Breeze Hall, Travis E.TN, Garrett Wilson, and Marvin Harrison Jr.

I guess, let me ask you about the Jaguars on there, Lawrence and ETN. Okay. Why are they almost followers when everybody's considering E.T.N. I just think that Lawrence wasn't at his best. He was behind on one ball to B.T.J. where he, like, got pummeled and didn't complete the pass, ran from a cleanish pocket. And I just, I think about the upside for May compared to Trevor Lawrence.

And both those guys for me are like in that range of QB2s that could become QB1s. And I would just rather have May. And now I'm thinking about other quarterbacks that are kind of in that range. But Lawrence is ahead of them. Love, Caleb, Justin Herbert, J.J. McCarthy. and I wonder if some of those guys might be better than Trevor Lawrence, too. So I just, I got a little bit squeamish on Lawrence. I got squeamish on ETN because I thought he only had one really good play.

I didn't see a lot of acceleration out of him. He was a non-factor in pass pro. And just because he took every snap with the ones in a preseason game, doesn't mean that that's going to continue on into the season. I think that you're still going to see a rotation. I still like Bigsby best. I'm still going to take Tank Bigsby is my favorite Jaguars running back with Tutton. as the guy I might try and stash late.

Is anyone else feeling nervous about Garrett Wilson and Marvin Harrison, Jr.? No. I think I was already the low guy on both of them. So I'm... How old are you? Where I got him? I've got...

Where do you have? 22 and Harrison at 27? Amongst the wide receivers. Yeah. Okay. So you're definitely farther down than me, but that's where... I don't think I could even get that far with them,

even if I don't... I don't like what's going on with their quarterbacks. And I kind of gave Kyler a pass because I felt like he was just like way too wound up in the preseason game. I'm not as worried about Kyler as I am about the offensive philosophy in Harrison's role. So Kyler threw one of the worst passes of the week, his interception. It was intended for Marvin Harrison, Jr. Who made a very, yeah. So Heath has to go.

I think Jamie has to go. We have CBS Sports Network today Monday at 1 p.m. Eastern, but Jamie and Heath have to head into the studio. So Dave, I think if you have time, you and I can finish the show. Let's do it. Okay, great. I came late. I'll stay late. Yeah, Marvin Harrison Jr. ran a really nice route and made a very nice catch on a ball over the middle. Then he was being targeted inside the five-yard line and Kyler just didn't see a guy and he threw a really bad interception. So whatever, jury's still out, but we want to see a little more creativity getting Harris and the ball. But the thing is, like, you're probably not going to see

that in the preseason. No, no, no. And that's... I was about to say that. And I think that we will see a little bit more of that from Marvin Harrison, Jr. You don't ask somebody to put on weight and then tell them, all right, now go run routes like you weigh 180 pounds. I don't think that's happening here. I think they're trying to take advantage of his route running skills, which you saw in the preseason game. There were moments where he was explosive, like bursting off the snap. He definitely changes speeds in his route running, and he does it on purpose so that he can sit down against zone coverage.

or when he needs to speed up against man coverage or at least run as fast as he can. He did get physical on some of James Conner's run. So I think he's taken a liking to being a little bit more physical and being stronger. And I think he's going to be the top target getter in Arizona. So I don't mind. I did move him a little bit up before the preseason game. The only way I would really move him down is if Kyler comes back out and lays an ag in another preseason game doesn't do well. and I think they have a joint practice, so a joint practice that they have,

stuff like that would make me move him down a little bit. But I do think he ends up leading Arizona in targets, catches yards, and touchdowns. That's the type of player that I want to get as the top 15-ish type of wide receiver. And I don't mind taking him in round four. I don't want to reach for him. I definitely don't want to do what I did last year. And that's overrate him based on college and put him as a round two pick.

That was dumb. And so you're drafting them two rounds later, and you might get someone who's way better than he was last year. Okay, that's Marvin Harrison, Jr. I have some other notes. I want to give a little shout out to a guy named Nathan Yonke. He works for PFF. You can follow him at PFF underscore Nate, J-A-H-N-K-E.

And what he does is he'll give you the snaps, the trends, the who was playing with the ones, this kind of stuff for every game. He does a really good job. All the stuff you could literally ask us for. Yeah, but he, he breaks, well, I don't know. He breaks it. I get a lot of it, but I miss some of it too. Okay.

I think it's important. Let's hear what Nathan has. No, no, first of all, I have a whole, I have like 30 notes here. I would say four of them are from him. I'm just saying, you know, most of it is I did on my own. But some of it, I just want to, you know, I don't want to steal somebody's hard work. He does a good job breaking down the snaps and who is playing with who. and whatnot.

And I'm impressed that you knew how to say his last name. Yeah. Yonky. All right. I think Spencer Rattler looked absolutely horrible. I don't know how you felt.

Seven of 11 for 53 yards. I haven't watched it yet. Oh, Tyler Shuck was 15. Tyler Shuck came in and immediately ran a two-minute offense, which always just seems to get a quarterback going. And then he didn't look as good after that. But he did throw a 54-yard touchdown

to a wide open Mason-tipton. He seems maybe he'll be more willing to throw the ball downfield than Rattler. But that's obviously not a great situation. situation. Cam Ward had a good second drive, but on that second drive, he should have been intercepted. It should have been a turnover. He'd made a very bad throw. And he was very up and down in the joint practice as well. The one takeaway that I would tell everybody about is that he's on the same page with Calvin Ridley already. And I would be encouraged to draft Calvin Ridley.

It's hard to put him into the top 24, but just outside of there, call him 28th or so, maybe 26. I would still take, I would still take the two rookie receivers, McMillan and Hunter, of him. It's getting close between him and Hunter, though, because I do think that if Ridley stays healthy, he's going to see a lot of targets, and he's got a much better quarterback now than he did last year. Good point from Austin. Tyler

Shuck threw a pick six. He did. I don't know who's going to win that job, but they're going to stream the DST against the Saints. That would be Arizona in week one, by the way. And they're a good defense. Kendry Miller, you know, played, and he says he's

healthy now, so he looked okay. Um, at running back, you know, I mentioned this, I think, on the mailbag or something. Chase Brown was really involved. It was very encouraging, but he's not going to be the third downback this year. So he won't catch as many balls as he did in the last eight games of the year, like in terms of per game. But he had five carries and three catches and without being the third downback. Um, talked about Caleb Johnson, Tyrone Tracy, maybe moving up. We've got, uh, Houston's interesting, Dave, because,

Dixon's hurt right now, hopefully back for week one. Dario Gumbowale started. Woody Marks didn't play until late in the first half. But I wonder if there's a name that we're forgetting, and I know it's uninspiring, but I wonder like if Damien Pierce would factor in because he's working his way back from injury and did not play. It's a name to keep in mind. It's just can we expect him to come back and do some good things when he hasn't done anything

since his rookie year? And there's no way they'll let him be the feature back when they've got. got, first of all, Gumbulli could end up playing third downs anyway, but I think they're still going to want to try and get marks going in the right direction. And so it'll be a mess. I don't feel like Pierce is worth drafting right now. I almost feel like I need to hear, well, Joe Mixon's going to miss at least another month and, you know, Pierce gets some time with the starters and all that stuff. Then maybe late round pick type of running back, like round 10 range. Right, but we still prefer Nick Chubb.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about Nick Chubb would have to get cut. I mean, I know that Chubb isn't looking good in practice. I've heard it. And I think that he's in that round 10 range for running back who might end up being a starter for their team for a little while. It just encourages me to take Nico Collins even more and maybe even Christian Kirk a little bit more. Some running run the ball. This is going to be C.J. Stroud throwing a lot. Some wide receiver notes for rookies.

Isaac Tesla of Detroit, another good outing. He's not going to matter unless there's an injury most likely, but certainly know him in Dynasty. Seattle-wide receiver, Tori Horton, had a nice day. Dante Thornton Jr. appears to be ahead of Jack Besh for the Raiders, and Trey Tucker, too. They all played with the first, though. Yeah, but Bech didn't really play that much, what I understood.

He didn't play that much, but what I saw of him, I liked. you're best he he still could turn back toward the quarter he's got really good agility especially for a big guy it seemed like they used him as a big slot type of receiver okay uh or they didn't do that i'm sure i should say uh i wish they had he played outside a lot i think he could be at his best if he played in the big slot a little bit more but um he's he's really good at moving quickly he can peel off defenders quickly turns back to the quarterback quickly he's got big size just doesn't have that straight line speed and Thornton has the straight line speed. So it depends on what you're looking for. I don't know if either guy's going to end up really mattering in fantasy. But they're both interesting. And tight end. Theo Johnson had two catches on two targets.

He also had a catch that didn't end up counting because the Giants accepted an off-sides penalty. So Theo Johnson with no Malik neighbors was a frequent target of Russell Wilson. Chigal Conquo played every snap with the starters. That was one from Nate Yonkey. and Tyler Warren obviously had a great game on Thursday, great debut

and Dawson Knox and Dalton Kincaid were splitting snaps another one from Yankee on the offensive line it did read a chiefs beat reporter said that Josh Simmons

their left tackle played very well so he was playing against backups but it's good to see whatever right it's a good first step okay fantasy football at cbsi.com

we'll see if we can read a few emails here I think we've probably covered this but if you want to get back in to it. This one's from Pete in Oregon. Oregon, Wisconsin. Dear Dante, Chris, Randy, and Jake, Vikings. Yes.

Can someone give me a better reason for drafting Marvin Harrison, Jr., then what if he was better in every single facet of his game? Who else was an A-plus prospect out of college who underperformed and then all of a sudden was really good? I'm not buying it, but I really want to. A-plus prospect out of college who underperformed and then all of a sudden was really good. Look, you could argue that Trevor Lawrence had a I guess it was his third year That was really good, but it wasn't really good

You know, Marvin Harrison Sr. took four years to break out He wasn't an A-plus prospect. No, he wasn't. There's got to be an answer to this. Yeah, I'm kind of blanking a little bit. That's a good point. Right. Let's see.

Well, and you can see it from watching him play. Just like straight line speed is not going to be something that helps him get open. And ideally from an elite type of wide receiver, you want a guy who can get open. There's like three major ways that a receiver can get open. It's with speed. It's with physicality. And it's with route running. And I know he's a great route runner.

He seems to be much more inclined to use his physicality. It's the speed that. really worries me. And as long as he's catching balls inside of 15 yards, I think he'll rack up good numbers for fantasy. I have a hard time believing he could be, well, he could be top 10. He would just need to score a boatload of touchdowns. And he had eight last year in an otherwise ugly rookie season. Next question. I just think the opportunities will be there for him. I think he's worth taking. I don't think you're taking him anywhere near a ceiling when you're getting him in round four next question is from jay and raleigh north carolina says dear moe andy derrick and

hoare those are yankees they are world champion yankees first time mailbagger first time i've got the rookie cards of two of those guys oh nice um yeah this is a first timer here picking from says first time he's email that's a long time listener welcome thank you for your question jay picking from the 10th spot in a 12 team ppr league i think i have a shot at some kind of combination of neighbors, Nico, Brian Thomas Jr., A. Chan and McCaffrey.

If those five were on the board, neighbors, Nico, Brian Thomas Jr., A. Chan, McCaffrey, what would you do with the 10th pick and then the 15th pick? We only named two running backs, and that's A. Chan and McCaffrey. I would want to get one of those guys first.

I have A. Chan ranked ahead of McCaffrey. And the reason why we take the running back first is because there's a little bit more of a supply wide receiver when it comes back to you in round two. And so the whole idea is, all right, the list of running backs that I like is shorter than the list of receivers. Hopefully I get one of those receivers coming back. There's no guarantee that you're going to. If it's a 12 team PPR league, pretty sure one of the two teams picking after you will

go receiver receiver. So I think you've got to open up your mind to guys like, well, maybe St. Brown already get taken, Pooka already get taken. maybe A.J. Brown, maybe Ashton Genty, maybe Derek Henry. And I don't mind going RBRB to start a draft, but it does kind of put, it does kind of pin you to taking receivers in rounds three, four, and five. If it's a three receiver full PPR league, it's going to be a lot harder for you to feel good about your receivers if you start RBRB. But you're probably going to have the best RBRB start of anybody in your draft. Last question for today is from Travis

in northern Arizona, a small town name Spelled. Spelled Prescott. It's pronounced Prescott. Dave. Yes. Prescott. Okay. For some reason. I knew that. I was testing you. I don't fully like the way that ADP is falling for some of these younger players and rookies. Have we shot up all these younger stud players only to have us be potentially disappointed on the opportunity costs of players? Is this your first year playing fantasy, Travis? Well, no, I get what he's saying. I mean, like...

Yeah, but it happens every year. I know, with Jamie and Heath to just... moved up R.J. Harvey and Trayvon Henderson. Jamie's putting them in like the fourth round. Oh, yeah. All right. Well, and there's going to be people who do that. You're going to see that in some of your home leagues where everybody sees these guys on the highlight reel.

And they're going to jump in and they're not going to think about the other factors that come into play. I could kind of understand that for Harvey. And I love Henderson's talent. I love Henderson's talent more than Harvey's talent. I just don't like a situation as much. But yeah, this is where you end up getting. good value at plain old boring veterans that do nothing but average consistent quality fantasy points per game.

And so you can let people reach for those types of players. One out of every three or four are going to look like geniuses. You're going to look like a better genius when you get good values of other players who aren't new, who've been in the league a while, people know who they are and they might be bored with them. Mike Evans might be a great example, all right? Although maybe he's not a great example because some people really know who he is and some people love him for it. I'm looking at my rankings to see if I can find an example.

Well, I think the problem is, you know, I, there are. Pickens could be an example. I don't think a lot of people are excited about picking. But he's going after them. Right, but that's the point is that I'm fine. You're going to find somebody. There's going to be values that fall to you in the later rounds. It's not going to be just round four and round five.

It's like Chuba Hubbard versus these guys. Yeah, I'd rather have Chubber. Yeah. But then you get to like, I think there's going to be a lot of people that are skittish on D.K. McCaff. Yeah, I don't know.

I get the excitement. You can get maybe in round five. That's great value. Yeah. All right. I think this is a really interesting topic. You know, Trayvon Henderson versus Marvin Harrison Jr.

So like that. We just find a way to talk about a little bit more later in the week. Sleepers breakouts and bust beginning tomorrow. We'll talk to you then on fantasy football. Today also check out our show on CBS Sports Network today and Wednesday at 1 p.m. Eastern and live stream Monday,

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