Fantasy Football Today - QB Tiers! Anthony Richardson in Tier 2? Justin Herbert in Tier 5? (07/15 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 15, 2024

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Can you believe this? No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. This is going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Taking a look at current average draft position on CBSSports.com, our PPR ADP. Josh Allen is going 30th overall.

Jalen Hurts, 31st overall. Patrick Mahomes, 36th overall. And Lamar Jackson, 43rd overall. Those are your top four. They are in Jamie's top tier at the quarterback position. Happy Monday. It is Tears Week. Happy Tears Week, everybody.

And Heath Cummings is joining us on location in Augusta, Georgia, where it looks like his camera was frozen, but now he's back. Hey, Heath, we're going to try to make it through this one. There will be no tears on this show for me. There you go. Jamie, good morning. Good morning. How are you?

I am doing well. I'm excited for this week. This should be another helpful week for our audience. Also, draft-a-thon donations are going to start coming in soon. We'll give you some information about that. We're on CBS Sports Network today, this afternoon. We'll give you some information about that. If Heath sounds a little bit

different, he's a trooper. He'll tell you where he is. But he's in Georgia, and he's showing up for work, even when he's out of town, so we appreciate that, and we'll tell you what Heath's doing, which is pretty cool. But, Jamie, Tears 101, what are Tears?

What's the point? Tears is a way to sort of group your rankings or group a list of a certain amount of players in your rankings and uh you know sort of a way to you know figure out which which of the um you know for quarterbacks for example you know which group you want to jump into you know if you want one of the elite quarterbacks you want to take one of the for me it's top four guys you know if you want to wait a little bit the next two or three tiers depending on how you know comfortable you are with those guys but it's just a way i think of just grouping rankings probably the easiest way to describe it i think the easiest way is like you can look at you got four guys that you think are all in the same tier

and one of them has an adp that's around earlier and one of them has an adp that's three rounds later it's nice to know i can just wait until the first three are taken then take the last guy in the tier right and then i imagine when we get to wide receiver it's gonna be a huge huge wide receiver tier uh a quarterback these are just jamie's tier so as we go through them heath will say where he agrees and disagrees jamie's got four quarterbacks in tier one four in tier two three in the third tier five in the fourth tier five in the fifth tier and then a pretty big sixth tier. So they're not enormous tiers. Are they more, less, or equally applicable, Heath, in salary cap leagues compared to just the standard snake draft?

I would say equally. You can use them differently. Like you can kind of see how much did each guy cost in the tier so far, and that gives you an idea of how far to bid them up. But I really think, and like tiers might come into play a little bit better at the other positions. But they're really helpful in a regular snake draft, especially if you're on the term,

like let's say you're picked 22 and you've kind of like Josh Allen, but you know that six picks later, you can definitely get three other QBs that are in the same tier or something like that. Right. For a salary cap draft though, or an auction, you know, you don't, Jamie, you don't want to be the last. You don't want to get the last guy in a tier necessarily, because a lot of times that guy's going to go for more because people are kind of desperate to get into that

tier. I mean, that's a generalization. And that's the thing about auctions. Why I don't really do a ton of auction shows because they're all so different. But I do feel like you don't want to wait too long necessarily in a tier. If there's only one guy left, if Lamar, if, if Mahomes, Hertz and Allen went for $25 out of a hundred or something, that's probably a lot. But 25 out of a hundred or whatever, you know, do you think Jackson's going for more? And you make a mistake if you wait too long to be in that you think Jackson's going for more? And you make a mistake if you wait too long to be in that tier? Jackson's going to a different fantasy manager. But I think if you know, if you really value that tier, then yes, you're probably going to overpay. But you know, if you look at it and say, okay, the last player in this tier by comparison to the first

player in the next tier, or you know, the sliding scale, that's how you sort of have to value it in salary cap leagues. Okay. Last general tiers question for you. Name a movie that makes you cry. Really? It's that hard for you? You want me to go first? I figured you'd add like a top 10.

My Girl. My Girl just crushes me. Marlene Me? Oh, I've never seen that stupid movie. I'm not trying to act like I don't cry. A movie could make me cry, but are you saying that you could watch the same movie more than once and it would make you cry again i think my girl would probably get me like every time i i don't you know what's coming i know but it's so sad he can't see without his glasses heath yeah okay have you ever seen my girl yeah great movie right old yeller what's

with you and dogs, man? Like, just because you have a puppy now, that's just where you're going? All right. You guys have to, before the end of the show, you have to say, you have to figure out a movie that brings tears to your eyes. I just gave you one.

What'd you say? I didn't hear you. Marley and Me. Oh, Marley and Me. Really? Fine, fine. I'll count it. I'll count it.

All right. Listen, today, big day. We're all going to watch Marley and Me. And then at 2 o'clock Eastern, we're I'll count it. I'll count it. All right, listen. Today, big day. We're all going to watch Marley and Me. And then at 2 o'clock Eastern, we're on CBS Sports Network. Me, Jamie, and Dan. We're going to be rocking and rolling on CBS Sports Network, 2 o'clock Eastern. Join us, if you will. And also, we've got a new podcast, sort of.

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uh let's do news and notes here and then we'll take a break. Then we'll get into the tears. But Heath Jordan Addison arrested on suspicion of DUI. He had an extreme speeding incident about a year ago. Obviously, we hate to see this. Any reaction? I don't want to make you give a moral reaction here. We hate it. No, it did sound like the report I saw is that he was asleep in his car on the freeway, which is pretty bad. Um, I, I think we had a Jordan Addison discussion last week and

I was the low guy on him and I had him at wide receiver 45. Uh, I just, I dropped him down this morning to wide receiver 49. I don't really want to draft Jordan at it. Like, especially if it's pretty late enough that maybe this there's just no suspension this year because it's too close to the start of the season, but I just hate the risk along with all the other things that are going on. Okay. T Higgins,

the deadline for him to sign a contract extension is today, Monday. By the time you're listening, that may have already passed. He's for him to sign a contract extension is today, Monday. By the time you're listening, that may have already passed. He's not expected to sign a long-term deal. T. Higgins is expected to play the year out on the franchise tag, which is a one-year deal. He's not allowed. He's already passed the deadline. Oh, I thought it was this afternoon. All right, well.

I could be wrong, but I thought it was passed. You might be right. Okay. Okay. Yeah, he's the only one who didn't sign a long-term deal, I think. So, the only one who got tagged. So, all right. Either way, by the time you listen... I don't believe he's expected to sign anything. He's not. He's not.

Jamie, what do you make of this Devante Adams to the Jets stuff? They're openly talking about it, some of the Jets players. Well, I mean, we've had this conversation, I think, since last year when... Jets stuff. They're openly talking about it, some of the Jets players. Well, I mean, we've had this conversation, I think, since last year when, I'm pretty sure Aaron Rodgers said on whatever podcast he was on, that he has a wish list of players, and Devontae Adams was on the wish list, and then you see the receiver

Netflix series, and Devontae Adams is pretty pissed off about his time in Las Vegas so far. It sounds as if, you know, based on what the Raiders were saying this offseason when it came up about trading Devontae Adams, that they had no intention of doing so.

But you never know if they fall out of playoff contention by the trade deadline or, you know, the Jets come up with the right offer that they do decide to make a move. But for right now, I would assume he's going to stay with the Raiders for at least the beginning part of the season. The Falcons, let's get some Falcons news. Offensive coordinator Zach Robinson said they're going to find creative ways to get B. John Robinson the ball.

Later today on CBS Sports Network, we'll debate B. John Robinson versus Brees Hall as RB2. Falcons also plan to play Kyle Pitts at tight end and wide receiver, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Heath, what do you think about that? Do you like that? Kyle Pitts playing both tight end and wide receiver, according to the Atlanta Journal of Constitution. Heath, what do you think about that? Do you like that? Kyle Pitts playing both tight end and wide receiver. I don't think historically the number of times we've heard somebody's going to play two different positions that's generally came right before a huge breakout or been a positive thing for their value.

And he's mostly been doing that already in his career. So it's a non-issue to me. How about you, Jamie? Because you talk about that. You don't love the way that Pitts has been used out wide more on a higher percentage of his snaps than any other tight end. So what do you make of this report then? I mostly agree with Heath that I don't think much is going to change.

Look, he's getting a better quarterback and a better system. You know, I, I shouldn't say better system because, you know, Arthur Smith did target his tight ends quite a bit. I think he's going to get more opportunities similar to what he got in his rookie campaign from a better quarterback. And so, you know, you go back to that rookie season, it was with Matt Ryan. He's had the last two years of, you know, just the, the, the poop quarterbacks of, you know, Heineke and Mariota and Ritter. And, you know, look, Cousins has shown us he can support a tight end at a very high level. He's shown us that he likes his tight ends in the red zone, whether it was,

you know, Kyle Rudolph and Irv Smith, and then what he did with TJ Hawkinson. So just the fact that he's getting better quarterback play. And I think an offense that will be a little bit more catered to him, wherever he lines up should be fine. But yes, I'd like to see him in more mismatched situations on linebackers and safeties, as opposed to on cornerbacks who can run with him and, you know, can probably defend them a little bit better.

All right. That's Kyle Pitts. We're talking about, this is the time of year where everyone's in the best shape of their life. I actually would say I'm in the best shape of my life. Um, no false,

uh, forgot about high school soccer, but second best shape of my life. But we call this I forgot about high school soccer. But second best shape of my life. But we call this, or Dave coined this term, the best shape or BS list,

as so many people say it. But A.J. Dillon, first name we're going to put on the BS list. He says he's in the best shape of his life. He's the first name? Have you not been

paying attention this offseason to everybody else? Like who? Who's on the BS list? Every player in the NFL. Well, it's always like that, but give me some who are, okay, who's on the best? Who's on the BS list? Every player in the NFL. Well, it's always like that, but like give me some who are,

okay, who's on the best, who's on the BS list? Best shape of their life list? I don't know. There's just, open Twitter X and you'll see it. Okay. Well, it's not training camp yet.

It's a little early for the BS list. Okay, fair. Leonard Fournette. He's BS list? Yes, fair. Leonard Fournette. He's BS list? Yes. Okay, good stuff. He never felt like he was in that great of shape. Denver running back Audrick Estime

is expected to be full go for training camp. We'll see how that running back competition shakes out for the Denver Broncos. I don't know why I took a shot at Leonard Fournette there. I shouldn't have done that. Sorry. And I wanted to save this news item for last. So sad.

Baltimore wide receiver, former Ravens wide receiver Jacoby Jones died at the age of 40. Just terrible. And what a tremendous career, especially on special teams for him.

A Super Bowl champion. Had a, what, 109-yard kickoff return in the Super Bowl for a touchdown. And also, I totally forgot about his catch against the Broncos.

Legendary catch. It was like a 75-yard touchdown catch, something like that, in the playoffs with less than a minute left in the fourth quarter. Just a crazy play. And such sad news to see. Jacoby Jones. Wasn't he the one, when he was returning a kick, I believe,

that Mike Tomlin was watching it on the big screen and he was coming at him? That was him, right? Yep. He basically tackled him. And then he played for the Steelers, I think, later in his career. Anyway, thoughts to the family and friends of Jacoby Jones. Sad news.

We will take a break and talk about our quarterback tiers. When we come back, we'll start with Mahomes, Hertz, Allen, and Jackson. Do all of them deserve to be in tier one? We'll discuss after this break on Fantasy Football today. Metrolinx and Crosslinx

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Yeah, I guess there wasn't a dog in it, so Jamie was fine. Which part made you cry? The end when he... I don't want to spoil it for... Yeah, seriously. Is wasn't a dog in it, so Jamie was fine. Which part made you cry? The end when he, I don't want to spoil it for you. Yeah, seriously. Is that Will Smith? Yeah. Yeah. When he becomes a stockbroker. Schaefer, you can get in there, you big baby.

I don't remember the exact moment, but I remember getting teary-eyed in that. I mean, I'm not sobbing, but that was the first movie that I thought of that made me tear up a little bit. I think the part that – You spelled my name wrong too. You got someone's LOL-ing it. The part that gets me in that movie is when he loses his toy and he's running for the bus. The kid.

Knowing nothing about the movie, that sounds pretty sad. That sounds like it would have gotten me. They're trying to catch a bus and and the kid drops his toy and will smith won't go back to get it because he misses the bus like he's in trouble uh that is sad and the kids like screaming my toy my toy oh all right well let's uh let's get to our quarterback tiers still need a movie from heath that makes them cry uh tier one from jamie is my homes jalen hurts josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. Heath, do you agree?

100%. Exactly. The same four names that I have in my tier one, all three of these guys I have in round three. Perfect tier. This is very funny though. Cause there's four names. And you said all three in a country,

all four in round three, I'm still just throwing shade. We got Matt Weber in the chat so upset that Josh Allen was not listed first on the video. And any time that somebody questions whether Josh Allen is the number one quarterback in fantasy, he just, it's hurting. So I was thinking, you know, no Josh Allen. I think any time we talk about this position, we really have to say what the scoring is because in four points, it's different than six points.

And so this is six points. Yeah, this is, that's a hundred percent true. And the ADP I'm giving is probably more six point, but Josh Allen is just, I think he's just QB one in people's minds. He's not in York.

He's in tier one. So it's fine. You know, we can't criticize you for it, right? If you were taking CJ Stroud, QB one would probably say, ah, that's, that's probably a reach. He's in tier one so it's fine you know we can't criticize you for it right if you were taking cj stroud qb1 would probably say that's that's probably a reach he's in tier one so that's kind of the whole point but it is weird that he's just a heat for none of you i don't well check the rank and i don't think dave has him as qb1 uh nope so what do you make of that heath

well he's been qb1 or two the last four or five seasons and so i think there's a lot of people that just think stephon diggs was washed anyway gabe davis wasn't actually any good it won't matter he's just going to run for 20 touchdowns instead of 15 and still be qb1 um also mahomes wasn't any good last year for fantasy purposes so we're doing a little bit of projecting on a bounce back for him that other people may not be willing to do. I think that Jalen hurts has the best case as QB one. I'm with you guys. You all have my homes as QB one,

and I would take them in six point, six point for past session. These, these, I take my homes four point. I'd take hurts. I don't use, how do you feel?

Who's number one for you in four point hurts. Same. Yeah. So my homes is Mahomes, but I don't really know what the knock on Hurts is. I know the second half of the year wasn't good, but he's got the best weapons and he runs a lot more than Mahomes. You know,

it's, I was just thinking about like, it's impossible that Mahomes' weapons are, are totally overrated. Kelsey's really old for a football player. Marquise Brown, I don't even know what Marquise Brown is. Xavier Worthy. I don't know what Xavier Worthy is right now as a rookie. Isn't it possible? Like, is it an easier case to make for Hertz as QB won them homes?

It's definitely easy. And it's probably easier for Alan too, you know, based on what he's accomplished the last couple of years. And if you're saying, you know, look, we know what the chief's goal is. It's not necessarily to put up stats in the regular season. They showed us that last year, you know, they want to make sure that they're firing on all cylinders as they get closer to January. And then once they hit January, they are what we hope the chiefs will be in the regular season.

And so, you know, that speaks to anybody who's down on Kelsey with the snap snap count. Anybody who's worried about a long suspension for Rice and what the expectations are for two guys coming in that are new with Marquise Brown and Xavier Worthy. So there are a lot of moving parts here. But for me, and I would assume probably for Heath and Dave, Heath just alluded to this, that the expectation is that Mahomes has a bounce back season. And I don't know if you want to expect 5,050 again, but you know, North of 4,540 is,

is there. And I think there was somebody that just commented, you know, it's our buddy Popinski about the lack of rushing. He's still going to run. You know, it's not like he's not going to run. You know,

he just doesn't run to the same level as those other three guys. But if he does, you know, fall into the end zone once or twice, cause he didn't do that last year. And then he gives you um you know he just doesn't run to the same level as those other three guys but if he does you know fall into the end zone once or twice because he didn't do that last year and then he gives you you know three to four hundred yards rushing plus what he does as a passer you know that's the expectation is that he's going to bounce back as the best thrower in the nfl and i think that's on the table i i do think it's interesting because like for almost all of nfl history mahomes would have certainly been viewed as a dual threat guy. If you ran for 20 yards per game as a quarterback, 350 yards per season,

you, you, but now we have four or five guys that run for five or 600. I was looking at it yesterday and the last two seasons, everybody in the top five at at least 240 yards rushing. Yeah. There is a pretty big difference between those guys who are going to run for 100 yards and the guys who are going to run for even the middle range like Mahomes and probably Trevor

Lawrence and Justin Herbert this year. Right. So, okay, since this is more of a tier show and not a ranking show, I don't think anyone's going to argue with really any of these. But if I were going to kind of force the issue, it would be Lamar Jackson. He has not really come close to replicating his first MVP season when he averaged over 30 fantasy points per game. This is what he's averaged in six-point-per-passing touchdown leads.

And now I am definitely azerstatting this because he deserves it more than anyone in the NFL, I think, even more than T. Higgins. Because in both 2021 and 2022, Lamar Jackson played 11 games, and then in his 12th game, he played a few snaps, and it just plummets his per-game ranking. He scored 1.2 or 1.3 fantasy points in those games. So here are his per-game averages over the last five seasons. 32.5 in his first MVP year, Lamar Jackson. Then 25.5, 24.3, 24.3, and 23.6. Believe it or not, last year he won the MVP his second of his season. It was his worst fantasy season as a starter on a per-game basis, removing partial games. So that's four years in a row between 23.6 and 25.5 fantasy points per game,

which is absolutely terrific. It's an incredible floor, and it's a great way to think about Lamar Jackson, even though he's inconsistent sort of like on a game-by-game basis. But I do think that you could say he doesn't have – I don't believe that. I think he's got a better quarterback than he used to be, a better passer. But you could look at him in the last four years and say he doesn't have the upside that the other three guys have, and he should not be in this tier. Heath, your response? Well, I think that you could look at it and say that.

I think he's also shown us like three times in that stretch, a six to eight game stretch where he was that guy. And the other thing is, when I go through this process, it's sometimes hard not to make too many tiers. If you wanted to say that tier ones, Mahomes, Allen, and Hurts, and tier one A or one B is Lamar Jackson. And then you've got tier two, but I can't put Stroud. It's easy for me to put Jackson in with Mahomes, Hertz, and Allen than it is with Stroud, Burrow, and Dak. Sure. All right. So then

I'll just end it like this. Do you, how many of those guys do you think have, let's say 28 point per game upside, which is, you know, we've seen that or a little bit better from all of them, I think. All four of them do. Yeah. But that's like an amazing season. That's kind of a league winning season. All four of them do you think still have that upside? Yep.

Okay. Yep. All right, let's go to tier two for Jamie. It is Anthony Richardson, CJ Stroud, Joe Burrow, and Dak Prescott. Heath, what do you think about that tier two? Richardson, Stroud, Burrow, Prescott. So there's one guy that I don't have in my tier two. I've got Burrow, Dak, and Stroud,

but I don't really want to argue against Anthony Richardson because I do think he was in this article he writes this year. Anthony Richardson should be in it, and he has that upside. And Jamie, let's clarify. In a four-point-per-passing touchdown league, how different would this tier look? Would Richardson actually climb up to tier one? No, he probably still would be in tier two, but you know, I, I, he's, he's close. I might separate it actually though. Cause my homes, I don't know if I'd want him in tier one in a four point for passing touchdown. I probably still keep them there. Um, but the other three guys move ahead of him, but Richardson is definitely close. Look, he he's, he's got the ability. You know, we did our, um, bold predictions show and it's in our magazine. You know, he's he's got the ability you know we did our um bold predictions show and it's in

our magazine you know he's one of uh four quarterbacks i believe um three for sure who have the opportunity to run for 800 plus rushing yards and if you get to that threshold you're pushing for top five and so you know he again you know this this is you know azar statting it his two healthy games you know projected over full season, you know, this is, you know, his two healthy games, you know, projected over full season, gets him over 800 yards rushing. He did that in college. You know, so he has that potential. It's easy to see.

And I think he'll take a step forward to whatever degree. He was starting to show it as a rookie. I think he'll do it in his sophomore season. You know, they add another weapon in Mitchell. And, you know, keeping Pittman and keeping everything relatively the same, you know, should help him improve as a passer, especially if he stays healthy. So, you know, for, for me, it's, it's the upside of what he can be. Um, and you know, just for what the tier looks like, I was close to including the next two guys as well. And Kyler Murray and Jordan Love,

because I think they're close to this group as well. But these four guys, I think, all have top five potential, and they certainly have shown it. CJ Stroud, not necessarily, or Richardson yet, but you could see the potential there. I think it might be a little strange for people to see Dak there. I don't think he would have been here last year. might be a little strange for people to see Dak there. Just, I don't think he would have been here last year,

you know? Well, he definitely wouldn't have been here prior to last year, but you know, you saw two things that were different. You saw a change in coordinator, Kellen Moore leaves and McCarthy takes over play calling and that helped Dak.

And I think, you know, just him being healthy and CD lamb taking that step forward, you know, you saw it from there by week on, you know, just the way that those two guys performed together. And so you have what at least has to be considered coming into the season, a deficient run game, you know, until we see how this is all going to shake out and how they perform. But I think you look at what Dak showed you, what he should show you again. And, you know, for me, it's just, uh, you know, when we talk about ceiling versus floor, he's a very safe quarterback to me. You know, if he's, if he plays 17 games, I think he's got the upside to be top 10. I don't know if he has the upside to be top five. Now you can argue that versus let's say Kyler or, or love, or if

you want to throw Jaden Daniels in there too, um, based on what those guys can do in, in different ways, how they get it done. But I think Dak still has a pretty high ceiling also. I would just, yeah, I'll take, I'd take Kyler over Dak in any format. And I don't have a problem with that. Yeah.

Dak, let me, you know, he has been a top four quarterback per game in three of the last five seasons. One of those seasons was only four and a half games. Dak has also been a top eight quarterback per game in four of his last five seasons. One of those seasons was only four and a half games. Dak has also been a top eight quarterback per game in four of his last five seasons. The exception was a bad 2022 season. And he just threw a lot of interceptions that year,

but he's bounced back really well. I think what's weird about him, you look at his profile, look at the other guys in this group. In the first two, in the first two tiers. So Mahomes, Hertz, Allen, Jackson, Richardson, Stroud, Burrow, in this group in the first two tiers. So Mahomes, Hurts, Allen, Jackson,

Richardson, Stroud, Burrow, Prescott. He's might, seventh out of those eight quarterbacks, he might be seventh in rushing yards. I think he probably- He's going to run more than Stroud, I would think. Yeah, right. I think Stroud will be eighth.

But the only thing, he's got one move. He's got one guy. He's got CeeDee Lamb. Burrow's got Chase and Higgins. Stroud's got his trio. The other guys run a lot. There's Mahomes, who just sort of runs more than Dak. I talked about the weapons, but he's Mahomes.

Dak, does that ever factor in? He's what I just don't, Dak, does that ever factor in? Like he's just so dependent on CeeDee Lamb. If CeeDee Lamb got hurt, I don't even know he's a top 12 guy. No, but I guess the, the,

the counter to that would be is, you know, like, do we know what Mahomes would be like without Kelsey? Yeah, I feel like he'd be, you know, no, the he'd be, you know. No, the answer is no, we don't.

But Kelsey wasn't that good last year. And really, I guess Mahomes wasn't either. Mahomes was QB 9. So there's your answer, right? Yeah, but you do get probably 100 more rushing yards. It's not that big of a difference, I guess. I put it this way. If Dak loses CeeDee Lamb and Patrick Mahomes loses Travis Kelsey, I don't care what they do as runners unless they turn

into the elite level guys. I'd feel a lot better about Mahomes. I understand that, as would I, but I'm not saying I don't want to have to rely on them if they lose their best weapon. That's why you like them, because they have those weapons. And then Burrow. Burrow says

he's feeling healthy. Burrow is super motivated this year. This guy is pissed off about the way things have gone lately. And then I think... As opposed to all these other players, not Neymah Holmes, who are not super motivated. Even he's motivated. Come on. You have to disagree.

Put that on the best shape of your life list too. These guys are motivated. Excuse me. You are the king of this. You always talk talk about that you always love a guy who has a chip on his shoulder or this or that i do love it but there's you know they're all like that oh okay i'm just saying that he's very motivated okay fine strike it from the record i'm sorry i even brought it up no it makes sense you know what just go go cry about a dog somewhere, Jamie. Burrow, when he's had a healthy Chase and a healthy Higgins, he has pretty much performed almost in that 28.

Not quite, but almost in that 28 point per game and six point per passing touchdown league. Well, let me ask you this question about Burrow. Are you more concerned about the receiver's health or his health? Yes. Oh, his. His health. Yes. Why would I be worried about the receiver's health or his health? Yes. Oh, his. His health. Yes.

Why would I be worried about the receiver's health? T. Higgins plays like 12 full games a season. But he's motivated now. I didn't say that. T. Higgins is definitely motivated. I think I don't really, you know, it depends how much you buy into injury prone. Because Chase has gotten hurt two years in a row too.

But people were shying away from Christian McCaffrey a couple of seasons ago because he was so injury prone. And then all of a sudden he wasn't. All right, anyway, let's go to tier three after we go to a commercial break. We'll come back, we'll talk about the next group. It is three players in tier three, including Kyler Murray, who else is in that list? Where are the rookies? We're going to

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Our first two tiers have been eight players. Tier one was Mahomes, Allen, Hurts, and Jackson. Tier two was for Jamie, Anthony Richardson, CJ Stroud, Joe Burrow, Dak Prescott. For Heath, basically the same, but Anthony Richardson not quite there in six-point-per-passing touchdown leagues. Remember, this is a six-point show. Heath, joining us from Georgia. Tell us what you're doing out there, Heath.

I am here for the New Balance basketball circuit finals. We have been here since Thursday. Team is 6-1, heading into the finals next weekend. That's pretty freaking great.

That is awesome. When you say next weekend, you're talking about this weekend? Well, this coming weekend, the next one. Yeah, that's this weekend. Monday? Yeah, it's Monday, so that's this weekend. Yeah, you know how it works.

I asked my kid yesterday or the day before, what day of the week is it? And it took several minutes for him to realize that. You know when you're out of town and you're in a different place, you just kind of lose track of days of the week. Yeah, and he almost resorted to baking a burger, but he did not, it turns out. No.

It came last second decision. Good for you. you all right tier three for jamie it's kyler murray jordan love and jayden daniels he's what do you think about that kyler murray jordan love jayden daniels tier three so so here i swear i have richardson and kyler i i have those two in the same tier and this is what i would say is like the the tier two for me is the guys that i think are going to be top six seven qbs um it makes more sense these guys are that they're if everything unless something goes wrong they could really win you a league but they're cheaper because there's significant risk for both both for you would be richardson and murray and again for jamie we'll talk about jamie's tears We'll talk about Murray, Jordan Love, and Jaden Daniels.

What is the risk with Kyler Murray? I mean, you bring up Dak losing CeeDee Lamb. Does he have a number one guy? We're projecting him to have one, but does he have one? Well, he didn't really have one last year. He came off a torn ACL. Didn't really have great talent around him. You know, Marquise Brown wasn't playing well.

I think Brown got hurt too. And he was the number 11 quarterback per game. You know, as a mid-season returnee coming off a torn ACL, number 11 per game. The year before that, number 11 per game. And that was with a partial game, I believe. The year before that, number six per game. The year before that, number seven per game. And I, that was with a partial game. I believe the year before that number six per game, the year before that number seven per game, you know, he's the guy I've drafted the most.

Uh, he falls to a spot where, um, I have too many best ball leagues already, but I, I have been drafting him a lot. And I think, uh, you want to talk about motivation. Um, you know, he gets knocked a lot clearly for his lack of preparation. He posted a picture over the weekend, I believe it was, of his entire receiving core with him. Running backs, tight ends, receivers, everybody was in the picture from the Cardinals. They're motivated, Adam. You know, so they're going to be out there, you know, and six backs for all of them. You know, so everybody's in their best shape of their life too. Um, but yeah, Kyler's in, in a great spot, you know,

because it, it feels as if, you know, your, your trade McBride, I think was the one that said he's, he's going to push for an MVP season that, you know, doesn't surprise that a teammate would say something like that, but, um, you're to remove from the ACL best receiver in the draft added to the roster. You know, uh, I think they made some nice additional moves, you know, Trey Benson's going to, you know, add something to the passing game. Uh, Zay Jones will be a good, you know, fourth receiver, you know, there's just, there's just seems to be a lot trending in the right direction for them and hopefully the offensive line holds up as well. So yeah, you can make a case, like you said, Kyler over Dak. Kyler in the tier above it. It just feels like his draft cost,

if you don't wait until the end of your draft, but you wait past those first two tiers, three tiers, wherever you want to put him in, but you wait after those first seven, eight quarterbacks, and you want to buy into a guy that runs and a guy that's got weapons that should be difference makers, he's perfect. That's Kyler Murray.

The other two in this group are Jordan Love and Jaden Daniels. So, Heath, why would you not have put Jordan Love and Jaden Daniels in a Kyler Murray tier? I view Love more like the Purdy to Trevor Lawrence group of probably going to be in contention for a borderline QB1. I think there's more chance, in my opinion, that Love's touchdowns are going to be in contention for a borderline QB1. I think there's more chance, in my opinion, that Love's touchdowns are going to regress than that he's going to be better than he was last year.

Okay, Jamie, he was QB6 per game in four-point leagues, QB8 per game in six-point leagues. This is Jordan Love we're talking about. About 4,200 yards, 32 touchdowns, and another 247 yards rushing, and four rushing touchdowns for Jordan Love. So I guess you see him having more upside than Heath does? I see him performing like that second-half quarterback.

I mean, you know, things just sort of clicked for him, and it was fun to watch. And, you know, when we talk about receiving cores, you know, he did a lot of that without Christian Watson. And so, you know, you bring back what could be an be an alpha you know or could be a huge difference maker and more from the the younger guys I mean Jayden Reed year two Wicks year two Dobbs year three you know I mean it's just a young group that has a chance to really pop off uh tight ends are going to be you know a big factor in this the run game might be better and you can say that's a knock but I think it also is going to

open some things up as well so just love the setup for Jordan Love and he'll run like Mahomes will run, you know, I think we'll be three to 400 yards rushing on the season. And so there's a lot to like about the setup here. I mean, you know, it's, uh, you know, you, you, you probably ask bears and Vikings and lions fans, you know, that they may have their next guy for the next 15 years and go from Favre to Rogers to love, uh, that that's a nice situation if he performs like he did. And so for fantasy, again, a guy that you can just wait on and get tremendous production from, I like the setup for him as well.

I'm going to have to take the under on the rushing yards, though. Just based on only one season, that's all it is. But 247 yards in 17 games. So I'm not going to give him 300. I'm not going to give him 300 this year. How dare he get that extra little boost? 53 yards is not insignificant. You look at him, and there's a lot of like one yard, two yard, two yard, two yard.

There's a lot of those types of games. So it could go down. But who knows? All right, let's just say 250 rushing yards. Let's say he does the same thing. All right. So, yeah, I think it's a good question. Keith said he kind of would group Love in with Purdy and Tua.

So why, Jamie? What's the difference for you? What pushes Jordan Love ahead of those guys? Motivation. No, he, like I said, I think, you know, building off of the way that he finished, you know, going into another offseason in the system as the guy, better production from the receiving core. I just like the setup from you.

Obviously look, he, he, the way he performed the way pretty perform very similar. You know, we talked about Jared golf is indoor opportunities issue, three games outside for the entire season, not one before week 13, you know, so there, there's a lot to like about, you know, golf, uh, to obviously in his receiving core, you know, that's impressive. You know, Trevor Lawrence bounce back season. I think Caleb Williams steps into a great scenario as well. So sure. You want to group those guys together?

I don't think they get drafted that far apart. I just think love has a little bit higher sale. Let's take a look at ADP. Jordan Love is going 73rd. Wow. Look at this. 73rd Jordan Love. This is why tears are important.

Kyler Murray, 89th. This is just CBS ADP. So take it for what it's worth. There's no reason to draft Jordan love. You can get Kyler Murray two rounds later. And then Brock Purdy is the next quarterback. Just a big gap.

105th. And then Jane Daniels also 105th. So Jordan love as QB one, two, three, four, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 at 73rd, basically tied with Dak Prescott. Kyler Murray, 16 picks later. Brock Purdy is 30 picks after Jordan Love. And he's QB 11, whereas Love is QB 9 in ADP. That's a big gap there.

And then Jaden. yeah yeah go ahead i'll just say like even not knowing where kyler and purdy were going like i don't want to draft qb9 or 10 at the 6-7 turn is that what you said like pick 70 something 73 yeah yeah that's i'm completely any of these guys at that cost i'm out that's That's the kind of point of this group. I think tier three and tier four, maybe tier three is a little different for Kyler, especially for me. But the rest of these guys, like these are the guys that you should be able to get in the double digit rounds that like, yay, I waited on quarterback and I'm great everywhere else. And now I have a quarterback that I think could be good too. Not taking it in round seven. Well, would you take... So Dak Prescott, who's in a tier above this, is also going at about the 6-7 turn. Would you take him there? And would you be willing to take Kyler Murray there too?

I think I'm late round seven on both of those. Or maybe I'm six on Dak and seven on Murray. Jamie? In that range, yeah. Okay. six on Dak and seven on Murray. Jamie. In that range. Yep. Okay. Let's talk about tier four then for Jamie. It's Purdy, Caleb Williams.

We can, yeah. I mean, look, I can't talk about everybody or we'll, we'll run out of time, but Jaden Daniels is in tier three. Purdy, Caleb Williams, Tua, Trevor Lawrence, and Jared Goff. That's tier four for Jamie. It's purdy caleb williams tua lawrence and goff heath what's your reaction to that i i think that that mostly jives with what i've got i've i've got daniels and williams behind these guys um i'm a little more skeptical that they're going to have great success as rookie quarterbacks. But if you want to take an upside shot on one of them,

this is pretty much where you have to take them, I think. I expect a bounce back from Lawrence. I think Tua really has some pretty hidden upside if everything goes right with that offense and they just don't run as much as they did last year. And we've talked about the golf, like the best guy if you're waiting and waiting and waiting on quarterback and you just want to draft

him and stream him for the first month of the season and then figure the rest out would you apply that same thought about jared goff uh in a four point for passing touchdown league no okay so jamie why are you higher on daniels and caleb william, especially Daniels is in your third tier than Heath appears to be? I mean, I think Daniels is going to challenge for a thousand yards rushing. He certainly has the opportunity to go for 800 yards rushing, you know, based on what he did in his final two years in college. Um, and, and I think he's going to be underrated as a passer. You know, you're, you're talking about, um, what might be the leading rusher at the position. So that's hard to overlook, you know, for the guy who's calling plays for him. That was the guy who called plays for Kyler Murray, you know,

and there's a similar skillset here for those two guys. I think Daniel's more explosive if, if things go right for him. So I don't think he has a horrible receiving core. It may not be done yet if they had Brandon Ayuk, but I don't think he should be factored that in. But with McLaurin and Dotson and McCaffrey, who's, you know, an underrated rookie and what they'll get from everybody else there, I just like to set up for him. So, you know, running quarterbacks, if they hit, you know what they're capable of and he may be the best one. And then for Williams, you know, again, just stepping into what is a pretty incredible situation for a rookie quarterback.

You know, those receivers that he has with what they brought in, in, you know, Allen and Odunze, and obviously what DJ Moore did last year, I think it's as good a setup as anybody has, you know, maybe ever coming into the NFL. So if he performs as the prospect that everybody considers him to be, then, you know, like Dan said, he could set the rookie record for passing touchdowns. He could, you know, challenge to be the first Bears quarterback.

I think it hopefully will be the case over 4,000 yards passing. You know, there's a lot to like about his upside. And so that's why I have him ranked ahead of the guys behind him, which you can make a case those other three guys should go ahead of him. I have no problem with that. All right, let's recap here. Tier three is Kyler Murray, Jordan Love, and Jaden Daniels for Jamie. A little bit different for Heath.

Tier four is Purdy, Caleb Williams, Tua Tungabailoa, Trevor Lawrence, and Jared Goff. Now, do you feel like tier three and tier four, which we're at, what, 11 quarterbacks through tier three and 16 quarterbacks through tier four, do you feel like all of these guys could be your only quarterback or do you feel like you should have a backup with some or most of them? Heath, what's your take there? If I'm drafting the rookies, I'm really trying to get golf to start week one. If I have golf, I'd like to have somebody that I think has top five upside along with him.

Other than that, yeah. Okay. And if I can go eight rounds without drafting a quarterback and then end up with, say, Brock Purdy and Caleb Williams, I will be a very happy man. You've done that, right? At least once. Yeah, absolutely. I like those guys. And I don't think that Brock Purdy doesn't have upside either.

I do wonder. I definitely feel like Kyle Shanahan trusts Brock Purdy more than he had trusted Jimmy Garoppolo or any of the guys who filled in for Garoppolo. Did they just start making this Purdy's team more to start throwing the ball a little bit more? Not that it would hurt McCaffrey because he'd be part of that. But, you know, is he just going to take a bigger role, basically, on a team

that's been so run-heavy? It's tough to balance that out with the fact that he's not going to average 9.6 yards per attempt either. He's probably not going to continue to have a 7% touchdown rate. So he needs to throw the ball

probably 50 more times just to say where he was. I think we'll find that out. If McCaffrey gets hurt. Yeah. Well, I'm saying even if he doesn't, cause they already talked about wanting to take some work off of

Christian McCaffrey. Is that in the form of more? Yeah. I don't think that means more for Purdy. I think that means more for Mitchell, Garendo, whoever else they want to give carries to. And how does the IU situation factor into that? I think that means more for Mitchell, Garendo, whoever else they want to give carries to. And how does the Iuke situation

factor into that? I think it's another interesting question. Like if Brandon Iuke is traded away, I don't think we're probably drafting Brock Purdy even in this tier. No, you can erase what I said about him and Caleb. I mean, I still think he'd be okay to pair with Caleb Williams, but I'd probably go more like

Caleb and Tua there. I think looking at Trevor Lawrence in this tier is pretty interesting. Losing Calvin Ridley and having a pretty crummy season last year. And I mean, basically you look at Trevor Lawrence and it's like a good five or six game stretch. You know, why does it,

two years ago, right? Why does Trevor Lawrence belong in this tier, Jamie? Upside, you know, and I do feel like, you know, he didn't mention him as somebody you need a backup for. I think you still take a backup with Lawrence just because you've seen the downside of it. But the upside could be huge, you know, and this is a receiving core that, yes,

they lose Calvin Ridley, but you get Christian Kirk back who missed the final half of the season. And there's still going to be a lot of volume. And I think that'll help. And I think Lawrence will be, you know, three to 400 yards rushing as well. So there's, there's sneaky upside potential here for Trevor Lawrence. Now, you know, you could certainly debate, do you want to take Lawrence over golf? I get it.

If you like off better, just because he's safer. And again, that schedule's, you know, brilliant. And he kept his offense coordinator and great weapons as well. But I think if Lawrence hits, he's going to be more than the 20 points per game that Goff has given you basically the past two years. I think he's got 23 to 25 points per game upside. Okay.

Goff, what are the rushing totals for Goff? Is he even breaking 80? I don't think so. But I do believe over 24 fantasy points per game each of the last two seasons indoors. 80? That's a joke. He had 21 rushing yards last year.

That's a really huge deal. He's like, wow, terrible. Not terrible, but it's not like he's a bad rusher. He just doesn't do it. Jared Goff. I think he's also a bad rusher. He'd be proud of that. I don't want to insult him.

It's just not part of his game. Not part of his game. Heath, have you thought about a movie that makes you cry yet? I think I might have cried during radio. Okay. Never seen that one either. All right, tier five. I've been telling you for nine years that it's one of my favorite.

Like, you tell me a show is good, and I go try it so I can either enjoy it or make fun of you. I've been telling you for nine years that you should watch radio. Like you tell me a show is good and I go try it so I can either enjoy it or make fun of you. I've been telling you for nine years that you should watch radio. Have you watched The Shield? No. Have you listened to Sam Fender? No. Oh, you said you were going to do it.

You're like, I'm going to do it on the drive home today. Yeah. Okay. Thanks for that. How long ago was that? When was the last time I had a drive home? A couple months. A couple months ago. But really, boy, did I just shut down your argument about you going home and watching the shows I like. Let's go to tier five here.

I'd say kind of an exciting tier. Justin Herbert, Kirk Cousins, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, and Deshaun Watson. Justin Herbert, Kirk Cousins, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, and Deshaun Watson. Justin Herbert, Kirk Cousins, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, and Deshaun Watson. Exciting because they're going pretty late and we're 17 quarterbacks in at this point, something like that. Jamie, if Justin Herbert, Kirk Cousins, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, or Deshaun Watson were your starting quarterback, you would feel blank. A little nervous, but not terrified.

Herbert, I considered putting in the previous tier just because I still think the talent is there. And I think the receiving core is going to surprise some people, but it's the offense and the system that makes you a little bit nervous about where Herbert's ceiling lies. So I feel like he's going to fall below the 20 point per game threshold, but yeah, I mean, look, if cousins and Rogers are healthy, they have great weapons and, and, you know and certainly a track record. Obviously, Stafford has been fantastic and hopefully he stays healthy and his receiving core stays healthy.

Watson will run more than anybody else in this group. And if he's right, then he could easily challenge to be a top 10 guy. So yes, this is not the worst group of quarterbacks, especially given the cost.

Somebody said tier five is goaded, which I had to look up, make sure there wasn't like an urban dictionary, disgusting definition or something. But no, I mean, it is just like, you've got Aaron Rogers in there and you've got great quarterbacks,

hall of fame potential in there other than Rogers and Herbert and staff. I don't know about cousins, but, but I mean, you've got some, you got some good pedigree here, Heath. How do you feel about tier five of Herbert cousins,

Stafford, Rogers, Watson? I agree completely with these five being in this tier. And I think it's – I should maybe just name it the QB2 tier because I don't really want to draft them as somebody I might have to use in a one-quarterback league, at least not early in the year. But some of them could be starters in that format. I would also put Russell Wilson and Baker Mayfield on this tier. And I've got Wilson ahead of a lot of these guys,

but I know I'm the Russell Wilson guy, but yeah, I think, I think they all fit very well. Watson's probably Watson and Herbert have the wider range of outcomes. I think we know probably what cousins Staffins, Stafford, and Rodgers are going to be. I forgot just how bad Aaron Rodgers was in his last season in Green Bay. He wasn't even a top 20 quarterback per game. So he's now 39 years old. I think he's next 40.

And he was 23 per game and 6.28 per game and in four point per passing touchdown leagues. He had one. He had one game with three touchdown passes. I just couldn't throw enough touchdown passes. One game with more than twenty three point one fantasy points. Didn't throw for 300 yards in a single game. That's just wild. So and like everybody agrees that Rogers is way ahead of Russell Wilson and everybody's much more excited about Garrett Wilson for that reason.

But I do think that's a good point that he's coming off of an Achilles and was the last time we saw these two quarterbacks Rogers was worse for fantasy. For me, it's the concern of does, does Wilson start the entire season? Right? Yeah,

of course you have to factor that in. It may not matter though. If you're drafting a guy, this two quarterback league is certainly matters. It may not matter, though, if you're drafting a guy this late. Two-quarterback league certainly matters. All right, so Tier 6, if you're watching, you've seen it for a while now, but Tier 6 is more or less everyone else. Will Levis, Baker Mayfield, J.J. McCarthy, Russell Wilson.

Heath already said he'd have Mayfield and Wilson in the previous tier. Geno Smith, Bryce Young, Derek Carr, Daniel Jones, previous tier uh geno smith bryce young derrick carr daniel jones bo nicks drake may gardner minshu would would aiden o'connell be in this tier also if this is just every other starter basically i almost did a a tier seven of the um the the next guys the justin fields the jacoby brissett's the Aiden O'Connells. You know, like you put Joe Flacco in there if you're worried about Anthony Richardson making it through a full season. Sam Donald.

Yep. You know, so it was basically going to be like the Drew Locks, the potential replacement options for Tier 7. But, I mean, look, those guys will all be waiver wire guys at best. You know, clearly Fields may get drafted in super flex and 2qb leagues and and a few of those other guys that we talked about but uh yes it was basically just everybody else i didn't want to make it like you know 10 tiers deep for the quarterbacks well do you in a 2qb or a super flex league you look at this tier i'll read it again levis mayfield

mccarthy wilson geno smith young car jones nicks may minshu you know heathen in a 2qb league super Wilson, Gino Smith, Young, Carr, Jones, Nix, May, Minshew. Heath, in a two QB league, super flex league, what do you prioritize in this group? Well, I'm writing the QB preview, my QB preview today, and I'll be publishing on CBSSports.com. I would prefer the guys that I don't think are going to have much competition or have a chance of losing their job. Get a boost from me.

Cause it's man. It's hard. The math's hard in a super flex league. If you're drafting a guy like JJ McCarthy or Drake may, and you don't know when they're starting. Yeah. Then do you have to draft percent or Donald too? And now are you using five roster spots on quarterbacks

or four roster spots on quarterbacks. So I do give those guys like Baker, I think Bryce Young, probably even Derek Carr a little bit, will let us for sure, a boost if I don't think that there's much chance they could lose their job. So I think adding to your question for me it's if i draft one of the top three to four tier quarterbacks in top three to four tiers and i haven't taken a second one yet then i'm probably taking two to three guys in tier six you know so it's two guys if it's i don't have to worry about them losing their job it's probably three guys on top of the other one

with one being let's say say, Will Levis, Baker Mayfield type. And then if I can get Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, you know, just to get those two guys locked up. Jamie, I'm not sure if you plan any 10 team super flex leagues. I know the one that we do in our, you know, like amongst the CBS crew is a 12 team super flex league. There's a big difference. Heath and I share a team in a 10-teamer. It's one of our podcast leagues. You'll hear more about it soon. There actually are quarterbacks on the waiver wire from time to time.

Actually, low-end guys are probably on the waiver wire in a 10-team league, not in a 12-team league. That might make a difference to you. There is never a quarterback on the waiver wire until there's an injury in a 12-team Super Flex League. But in a 10-team league, you might be able to get a pretty bad quarterback,

but a quarterback nonetheless to be in your Super Flex spot. Yeah, it allows you to wait a little bit longer. I think that you bring this up. I don't know if you always reference this league in particular, but you bring up about how there's no real formula that you've seen to winning a super flex or two quarterback league because it varies you know whether it's somebody taking quarterbacks early or waiting on the position and you know sort of finding those upside guys or just guys off the waiver wire but yeah it it doesn't you don't have to panic let's say in a 10 team league if there are guys that are going to be available to you because you know brissette may not get drafted or may conversely you know so those type of guys could at some point help you and help you in a big way yeah i took my homes last year in our super

flex league and he was like one of my he was my worst pick i actually had a really good team if he had just been patrick with homes i i would i i have won the league. I made myself a win in that league because I should have won. I just did a mock draft for SI. I had the 12th pick, super flex draft. And I took Stafford, Baker, and there's four points for pass touchdowns. I wasn't thrilled with the quarterbacks,

but Stafford, Baker, and maybe Levis. I forget who the third one was. But those are my three quarterbacks. But I started with Jamar Chase and Amara St. Brown. So it's hard to overlook those two guys. Isn't it weird that Matthew Stafford basically averaged the same amount of fantasy points per game as Tua Tunga-Vailoa last year?

And then I actually would think probably the year before Stafford was probably better now Tua kept getting hurt but Stafford the year before was oh no no I'm sorry it was Stafford's 2021 season compared to Tua's 2022 season I think Stafford is probably better but uh Stafford was horrible in 2022 sorry it's like a crazy year. But yeah, they don't get thought about the same way. That's for sure. Also, kind of a weird fun fact. Each of the last two seasons.

Wait, can I can you guys just talk for like 30 seconds so I don't say something completely wrong? Never mind. We're good. Each of the last two seasons, Geno Smith and Sam Howell have averaged almost the same amount of fantasy points per game. Of course, asterisk, Sam Howell played one game two years ago, and he basically averaged,

he scored like what Geno's averages were, but they've basically been the same fantasy quarterback two straight years. And now they're teammates. All right. Thank you, Ethan Jamie. it wasn't that fun you made me cry yeah there you go uh and they both have no dude i never watched it on sunday did you watch last week's yet yes i did i did it was good did you enjoy it yeah it was good it was really good of the Dragon, and I don't mean this as an insult. I mean this as a compliment

to the other show I'm going to mention. House of Dragons has made me appreciate Game of Thrones even more. Because House of Dragons is really good, and it is like half as good as the early seasons of Game of Thrones. You know? There's like 25%

of the storylines in House of Dragons compared to you know like so much was going on they did an amazing job they had so many

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