Fantasy Football Today - Quarterback Tiers! How Many are Fantasy Starters? (07/11 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 11, 2022

Vote for us for Best Sports Podcast and Best Male-Hosted Podcast! http://podcastawards.com/app/signup/ Welcome to tiers week! And welcome to Scott Fish Bowl week! It's a fun time for Fantasy Football fans, and we're bringing on an awesome guest Joe Pisapia of FantasyPros to talk about quarterback tiers. Heath unveils his tiers and Joe tells us what really stood out at first glance (5:30). We also have some QB news and notes before we get into some observations and strategies (17:00) and the tier that we usually draft from (24:00). Heath and Adam seems to like Tier 2 and Tier 3 in drafts, often snagging Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson and Russell Wilson ... We go through Tier 1 (30:45) and Tier 2 (31:15) and discuss what separates them. We spend some time talking about Kyler Murray's upside and Tom Brady's as well. Then we move on Tier 3 (38:30) and get into Joe Burrow a little before getting to Tier 4 (45:30) which is a little bit boring with Matthew Stafford, Kirk Cousins and Aaron Rodgers ... Tier 5 is where things get fun (47:40)! We've got an upside tier with some of the young guys and a floor tier with some veterans. Where does Derek Carr fit in? We finish by talking about Tiers 6 and 7 (53:00) and then Adam ranks the Thor movies in a very controversial way (57:40) before Joe and Heath make their picks in the Scott Fish Bowl (1:05:15) ... Email us at [e-mail] Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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He's just going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. It is a big week in the fantasy football calendar. The Scott Fishbowl drafts are underway. We'll be helping you out with those throughout the week. We've got a lot of guests coming on this week. We've got no Dave. We've got no Jamie.

We've got no Schneier for the first three days. It's going to be a lot of Adam and Heath. It's going to be interesting, Heath. You ready to unveil all of your tiers this week? Quarter today running back wide receiver tight end the next four days yeah it's probably a surprise to everyone that uh the tears are focused around my tears it was a surprise to me until about 12 hours ago so i am very excited to unveil these tears it's it's a really it's the one, one of the things, I wrote about it this morning, it's one of the things that the fantasy industry is in almost universal agreement about, is that tiers are better than rankings.

Now, we still have plenty of debates about whether they should be tiered by ranking or tiered by projection or tiered by archetype, but everyone agrees that tiers are better than rankings. Joe, do you agree? Oh, wait, wait. I have to introduce you. Sorry. I think you just did. I did to the video crew, but the audio crew won't hear that intro. Joe Pisapia

is here from Fantasy Pros. Heath, he does baseball and football. Can you believe that? Remember that? Wow, that must be really tough. It is really tough. Thank you for coming on. You're one of our favorite guests and we really appreciate you being here. How are you doing? Well, you're one of my favorite hosts and obviously, Heath and I go way back, way back. So it's very nice to be here hanging out with you guys. And yeah, I think tiers are good. I think

quantified tiers are best where you could see where the expected drop-off really is and how significant it is. I think that's what it's all about. Can you quantify those with different tools that we have? And I think we put so much into rankings, and doing the tiers actually really gives you, I think, when you're actually drafting, more of a strategy, more of an approach. So I'm all for anything that gives you a better strategy and approach as opposed to argument stuff, as opposed to, well,

I like this guy better than this guy. Who cares? If at the end of the day, there's five fancy points and separate them. What's the difference? Just a couple of different weeks where they're good. So to me, yeah, the tier conversation is the way to break them down because that's the thing that allows you to look at the board differently and actually craft a strategy, especially when it comes to super flex. I think those tiers are even more important.

What I think everyone would really enjoy, Adam, is your tiers. And thankfully, we can tweet about Thor over the weekend. And so at the end of the show, we can see your tiers. Did you see my Thor tweet, Joe? I didn't. Now I'm all provocative. What happened here, Adam? You did not enjoy the Thor? Is that what happened? No. So I'm not really a Marvel guy. And you haven't seen the new Thor yet.

So you ranked all the Thors right after a new Thor came out and you didn't see it. Correct. Well, I watched the first three. I'm seeing your tweet now and I might just walk off. We're going to tease that for later on in the show. But I did watch all three. I ranked them, and I am just getting killed. This is one of my least popular takes ever, which is really saying something.

I can always tell when you've tweeted something bad because my notifications start going off. Heath, add it to the list. Heath, add it to the list. Because I keep a list on Twitter of all of your worst takes. Yeah, yeah. And I was overwhelmed when I opened Twitter on Sunday evening. The number of tweets from people telling me

to add this to your terrible list. Well, we'll get back, we'll get into that after we talk about quarterbacks here. Let's get down to business. Actually, we do have one more very important thing to talk about, and that is charity. It's a big charity week here. That's what the Scott Fish Bowl is all about, donating to charity. And also, Joe, you're doing something as well.

Tell us about how people can help out. Yes. Well, first of all, Scott Fish, I mean, it's like Mother Teresa, Scott Fish. I feel like that's pretty much the rankings now. I don't think anyone's going to argue with that ranking, but the Fantasy Black Book, which is available on Amazon right now, we just did a refresh of it. So it's completely updated, new relative vision value, new Baker Mayfield information, all that fun stuff.

It's out there on Amazon, but this week all through the draft here, so Monday through Sunday, every time we sell a book, a dollar goes right to St. Jude's Children's Hospital. So if we sell 500 books this week, guess what? It's 500, thousand dollars I'm happy you let us at 10,000 let's do it baby let's do it last year I think we got around um that's more between the five and thousand I think it was like 600 or something like that that's great like that that's what we're trying to do and I think it's great that so many other people in the industry are trying to make this a week where we all get excited about fantasy football and we all start doing good things and i know scott fish is not the only person does it

i'm not the only person there's a lot of other people on big podcasts small podcasts that are doing good things and that's one thing i love about our community so you can go get the fantasy football black book 2022 on amazon and do something good help the kids and hopefully everybody's enjoying their scott fishbowl drafts as well okay i'm gonna throw it over to you now you're a host you've inspired me to donate to charity uh so i'm gonna do that and while i do that i want you to tell me what stood out when you looked at heath's tears at just an initial glance what was something that jumped out to you well the first thing is i i glanced it very quickly because uh i saw it last night and uh i was still trying to recover from your thor tweet but

eventually what i what i did able to look at is is derrick carr stood out for me and then i saw that it's also he's split his tier five into floor and upside and derrick carr is still in the floor and i can't believe it's come to this where now I am going to defend the honor of Derek Carr, but I actually feel really good about this Raiders offense and what they're able to do. And look, I'm not saying that it matters so much that I'm going to go back to the college days where Devante Adams in 13 games at 1700 yards and 24 touchdowns playing with Derek Carr in the Mountain West Conference. Like that's fun. It's the Mountain West Conference. I don't know if we could like bring that over here, but I do believe that with Josh McDaniels, I do believe what I saw out of

the Raiders last year, which was a team that really could have folded up the tents and quit. And they did not. I think that's, that's really saying something where they really didn't have a lot of weapons. Hunter Renfro was out there doing everything by himself. Darren Waller wasn't healthy. If you can get Waller healthy, if you can get Adams healthy, you look last year, the guy had an enormous yardage total and the touchdown total was really small. If you'd be expected, touchdown total was much higher than what it actually was last year. And it really was a problem. They couldn't convert in the red zone. Now you're bringing one of the best wide receivers in the red zone area and Devante Adams on the planet, you add him to a healthy

Waller and Renfro, and you have a pretty decent running game as well. I think that there's a lot more upside for Derek Carr than people are giving credit for. He's one of my favorite targets. If you're going to go ahead and take a Russian quarterback, I'd like to go stick Derek Carr on my bench just because in case those guys get hurt, because sometimes they do. And I would also say that in the super flex world too, if you're going to be aggressive on, you know, a Trey Lance or somebody like that, that Derek Carr is a safe play.

Like Heath is saying is a floor play, but I think he's got a little bit more upside than people realize. If you add another 10 touchdowns and bump that total up to 33 or 34, something like that. I wonder what kind of conversation we're having about Derek Carr, but last year's last year, this year's makeup of this team with the new personnel that's coming in, I think is very exciting.

I think has more upside than people give it credit for. Yeah, and I think because you look at the tier just above, the tier four, and I think that's where a lot of people would feel more comfortable putting Derek Carr,

saying he's right there with staff or he's right there with cousins. And maybe he will be. The touchdown thing, I have a harder time giving him a pass on just because it's been such a problem throughout almost his entire career. He has more seasons below 4%, which below 4%, if you're not a rookie, is just absolutely disastrous for a quarterback, than he has above league average, which was 4.5% last year.

So I think I would expect Adams is going to help with that. Does Adams mean 10 more touchdowns? And then the other thing is I don't have a great grip on what Josh McDaniel's plan is going to be with this team. I think it's probably going to be at least neutral in terms of pass volume, but they threw 33 more passes last year than league median, so they were already a pass-heavy offense offense i would anticipate they're going to be better and maybe maybe have a little better game script situation so carr is one that's tough for me i i struggle with because i've got him in a

tier with jamis winston and carson wins and i think most people see that they're like well derrick carr got davante adams and derrick carr's been good the last three years in a from a fantasy perspective not from a football perspective from a fantasy perspective, not from a football perspective, but from a fantasy perspective, Carson Wentz and Derek Carr have been pretty indistinguishable. Last year, Wentz was actually better per game. Two years ago, Carr was a couple points better. Three years ago, Wentz was a couple points better. And I think Carson Wentz got a pretty significant upgrade in terms of his fantasy situation, going from the low-volume pass offense in Indianapolis and going to Washington. But that's what I expected.

I expected Carr to be one of the points of contention in the tiers. But really comparing him to Carson Wentz, doesn't he just feel a lot different? They're in the same tier for you. In terms of fantasy production, yes. Carson Wentz has given us closer to an elite season of fantasy production than Carr has.

That was ages ago. I mean, he is not the same player. He is not the same player. But he was better than Carr last year. He was better than Carr last year? Okay, but in a measure that you never take seriously, and that's touchdown rate. Fantasy points per game.

That's touchdown rate. You would call that regression to the max. Derek Carr has been top five or top six in yards per attempt two straight years. He just has, as Joe mentioned, a big touchdown problem. He's been ninth, fifth, and sixth in yards per attempt in the last three seasons. And now he gets Devontae Adams. I mean, I don't know. I can't put him in the same tier as Carson Wentz.

Carson Wentz might just be a really bad quarterback. Derek Carr. All right, yeah just be a really bad quarterback. Derek Carr. All right, yeah, go ahead. No, I think that makes sense if you're looking at it just from a talent perspective and it upsets you to put him in the same level as Carson Wentz. But in terms of what Derek Carr has produced, he's not going to give you rushing totals. So he has to be elite in yards and elite in touchdowns or at least very good in touchdowns and he's not showing us very much evidence that he's

got that in him and we've seen plenty of times from josh mcdaniel's offenses where in the red zone they just bring the hammer and score 20 rushing touchdowns a year yeah that might happen again we've also seen plenty of times where they've had the best quarterback in football and who throws a ton of touchdowns. So are we saying that Derek Carr is more Tom Brady than Carson Wentz? No, I'm saying that I don't know that you can really draw on anything

from Josh McDaniel's red zone tendencies. Well, I also think you're thinking of, you know, if you recall back early in Carr's career where he had, you know, Cooper and Crabtree and those kind of guys that you saw the 32 touchdowns, the 28 touchdown get touch of the higher totals and things like that and then there's a there's a time here in a period where gruden takes over and they really don't have anybody that is i think able to step up into that void uh they've been trying to get different wide receivers you know we've been cycling through different guys every year on that roster and i think that the one thing about Josh McDaniels and I think the big mistake we all all of us make and

me included sometimes is we try so much to pick up and plant you know well this is what this guy did with this organization so that's clearly what he's going to do here just because you know they ran the ball a lot by the goal line with the Patriots that's a very Bill Belichick kind of thing I think McDaniels is is the same kind of coach like all good coaches theoretically should be, which is they're going to play to the strength of the personnel. The strength of the personnel is if you've got Devontae Adams and Darren Waller as red zone threats, you're going to convert with those guys. You're going to try to get those guys to football.

Those are your playmakers. So I think with the Patriots and Kendrick Bourne is your best wide receiver last year, yeah, you're going to probably try to drive the ball into the end zone with the running back. That makes a lot more sense. So I think you play to the personnel that I don't think Heath is saying, oh, he's a terrible investment, but I don't think Heath necessarily sees the same upside I do. And that's fine, but we both see the floor. And I think that's, what's more important from a fantasy standpoint to make an investment in a player. Okay. All right. Let's get into the, uh, the tears. We do have some quarterback news and it's not too much. Hold on one second. Here we go. Lamar Jackson has worked on tightening up his throwing motion.

He's also gained 15 pounds. There was a report, I think from Colin Cowher, that Trey Lance had arm fatigue, but a San Francisco coach said that's not true. We'll see. He's going to be pretty interesting. Matthew Stafford, this shouldn't come as a surprise, but he said he's got a much better understanding of the offense now than he did a year ago.

And we do see sometimes quarterbacks take big jumps in year two in an offense. It was pretty incredible what he was able to do in year one of that offense. Have we heard anything about Matthew Stafford's elbow? Is he 100% yet? I don't know. I haven't seen anything either. I'm going to sue you. I'm going to say yes.

I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say yes. I haven't seen like he's throwing or what? I'm going to say yes. I'm feeling good about it. Okay. I always feel like bad news finds us. So if you're not hearing anything about it, it's a good chance that it's probably not an issue. But the minute you do,

it's something to consider without a doubt. It's kind of scary thought to think that he could be better this year. I mean, last year was pretty great. It was QB seven per game, Matthew Stafford. And that was with a ton of touchdowns, also a lot of interceptions and not a lot of rushing. Do we think Stafford last year is like car's ceiling? Uh, yes, actually I do. Uh, I think that's a very good way of putting it. And I think there's a good chance that he gets to that point because, you know, just like picking up Matthew Stafford and dropping him to a team and a personnel like

that with a better offensive mind, I think you could say the same thing. It's like Derek Carr, you're not moving him, but what you're doing is you're bringing in a much better offensive mind. And I always like coaches that get that second chance in the NFL too. I feel like, you know, when you have a coach that you think is going to be a bright shining star someday, and then they fail in their first attempt as a head coach, I think that second time around is always good. Heck, Belichick was one of those guys, too. I don't know if he was a complete failure. A lot of things went wrong in Cleveland when they tried to move the team and everything fell apart.

But he did make the playoffs the previous season. But you think about that, how many of these guys don't get a second chance? I'm always more intrigued by the guy who gets that second opportunity after they had that first failure in the NFL level as a head coach. You're going to love Tom Brady then, right? I always loved Tom Brady. How about Doug Peterson? Doug Peterson's a good one too, yeah. Todd Bowles, Doug Peterson.

Okay, so also Dak Prescott is in the best shape of his life. Dave thinks he cheated because he hired a personal trainer who followed him around everywhere apparently, but Dak Prescott, we can put him on the, what we're calling, what Dave is calling the BS list. Guys are in the best shape. He joins Mac Jones, Amari Rogers, Ezekiel Elliott,

and Robbie Anderson. And now it's Dak Prescott. I will protest the Ezekiel Elliott. I believe Mike McCarthy actually said, I can't say he's in the best shape of his life, but it's the best I've seen him. Well, that doesn't mean that he's not in the best shape of his life. It just means that Mike McCarthy doesn't know that much, but I think there was some other quote about him being in the best shape of his life.

Find slow news day. Tell me it's a slow news day without saying it's a slow news day without saying it's a slow news day all right so that yes but before uh before the tears we have a live stream tomorrow youtube.com slash fantasy football today at 1 p.m eastern with tara roberts joining us we are doing a live mock draft that is a dynasty super flex startup draft if you are in that format please come on check that out it's only on youtube youtube.com slash fantasy football today. We might have another one on Tuesday night to help out with the Scott

fishbowl drafts. If Scott can join us, uh, we'll, we'll see if we can pull that off, but that's why you got to subscribe to our YouTube channel. And also you can scan that QR code in our YouTube channel and vote for us at podcast awards.com. I assume that you're just going to send him a message tonight and just tell him we're already the screen. No, we're already talking. We're already talking. Yeah. A couple of observations over the last two years in both four-point and six-point-per-passing touchdown leagues.

There has been a very convenient drop-off in points per game. If you just go, I use fftoday.com. If you go there, if you sort by points per game, very convenient drop-off in between QB12 and QB13. It's like we have had a solidified top 12 of consistent, reliable guys. Not to say they're great every week or anything. And then after 12, it's a little bit dicey.

Last year, it was a top 12. Then 13 and 14 were Wilson and Winston. And then after that that there was an even bigger drop to like trevor simeon and garbage after that uh but yeah car car was in that yes believe it or not but he was a lot better stop living in the past cummings he was a lot he was a lot better with henry ruggs he was on pace for well over 5,000 yards before the Ruggs injury. Then Waller, or not injury, then Waller got hurt. So let's cut Derek Carr a little bit of slack, because when they were healthy, he was much, much better than that. But there has been like 12

reliable quarterbacks, basically, two straight years. And it has largely been the guys we've drafted top 12. But Joe, this year, I'm really hoping it's deeper and it's better. And that would require Lance and Fields and maybe Lawrence and Tua, some of them to emerge. Does it feel, does quarterback feel deeper this year? I don't know if it feels deeper, but I do think that the grouping right outside of the QB1, like if Trey Lance is the day one starter, automatically that helps the field. We'll see what happens with the Sean Watson, uh, Kirk cousins. I feel very good about, I like, uh, the potential of this offense as well with Minnesota. And then I think what you're looking for also is can guys make a step forward, right?

If, if Justin Fields, even on a bad team, there's ways for Justin Fields to become a good fantasy player. And we could separate those two things. The bears might not be a prolific offense, but can he be a guy uses legs, gets us gets us some rushing equity, has a couple big passes a game because he does have a big arm. He was a very good quarterback in Ohio State. So I think you can look at Justin Fields as a guy that could take a step up. Trevor Lawrence could certainly take a step forward. He has so much ability, and we saw almost none of it last year because there was zero professional game planning going on because Urban Meyer was so far out of his depth at this level. It was unbelievable. It was sad. It was a joke. And look, Doug Peterson

is not Vince Lombardi, but Doug Peterson, at least as a professional coach played in the league, you have an opportunity here for him to take a step forward. The other guy that's in this conversation too, that I think we kind of forget about is he's gotten very low in his rankings too, which is Matt Ryan. And I keep coming back to, you know, if you, when you watch last year,

that Atlanta Falcons offensive line was the absolute dregs. They were so bad. And now you're taking him and putting him behind an offensive line. That is so much better. We're talking to one of the tops in the league. I do like Michael Pittman a lot. You've got a really solid running game. Yes. I'd like to have another ancillary wide receiver

and feel better about some of the other weapons there. But I think just one of those things, like you saw a couple years ago, where Phillip Rivers, who I think was way farther down the trough in his physical career than Matt Ryan is, I think Matt Ryan's one of those guys that could sneak into that QB 16, 17 kind of situation, potentially, where we all look and go, yeah, why didn't we see that coming? Why didn't we see the guy who still has a lot left in the tank,

the veteran quarterback, getting a new lease on life with a really good football coach and Frank Reich and a great offensive line? I could see guys like that also kind of taking a step forward. So yeah, I do believe that there's a really good, I would say you can even make a case for 20 guys this year that all can compete maybe for that fringe of QB one. They're not all going to be that close at the end of the day things happen but i think that the discussion point is greater and yeah i think there's more potential after that it gets real dicey though yeah and i like i i agree also that matt ryan has top 17 upside um

but that's why he's in tier seven because i would like for him to have the upside to be a starter but in a in a 2qb league he could be someone that really helps helps you out a lot you load up at other positions he's your number 2qb and i think that fields lance to a lawrence group is the hardest in 2qb leagues because I don't really like do it. Do any of them have a floor inside the top 20? Things could go disastrously bad for all of them. We've seen it. Not so much Lance, but I mean, shoot, he couldn't even make it through OTAs without arm fatigue, apparently.

But no, they think those guys are, are super, super high upside. I think what Chris towers would call them is the mystery boxes. They could be anything. Could be Jalen Hurts. Could be Mitchell Trubisky. But hopefully not. Hopefully for none. I don't want that for any of them.

But the other thing, and going back to Chris Towers again, like the thing you were talking about, Adam, Chris just wrote about this like a month ago. It's been much harder the past two years to do that super late at QB thing that I don't care when my league's going to draft quarterbacks. Like it's easy for us to go late at quarterback because we're in leagues with everybody else that thinks exactly the same. And Tom Brady's going to be there around nine or around 10. And then somebody that's going to normal league's going to read that and say, how is this supposed to help me? But like quarterback

for a while, there was so deep that you could say, I don't care to help me? But quarterback for a while there was so deep that you could say, I don't care if your league is going to take quarterbacks in round one. I don't care if there's going to be 15 quarterbacks gone by round 10. Wait until late, you can stream, and you can still win at the position. That's been really hard to do the last couple of years.

Yeah, that's why I take two. That's why I take two of the top 15 guys, because if I, if there is an injury or my first guy just isn't that good, I can't just go to the waiver wire and, and piece it together and be fine. I don't think that's the case. I think you, you know, I like to invest a little more in quarterback, but, and I, I would say like that, if you're going to wait late, um, that tier five split there, I'd want to get one of the guys from the upside tier, the fields, Lance, to a Trevor group, and then one of the guys from the floor group. I would agree with that strategy. And that's something I wrote about in the Black Book this year, too.

That, to me, is – that's the secondary approach. I'm more where Adam is, which is I like to go get my quarterbacks early. And I think we forget sometimes because we're in these analyst expert leagues, quote unquote, you know, that so many of us, you know, there's certain disciplines and sometimes those disciplines go out the window. We've seen that in drafts too, where we think it's going to be one way and all of a sudden somebody starts a trend and everyone gets a little panicked and starts to follow it.

But typically speaking in the more casual leagues or the leagues where people are, you know, we're listening to this podcast weren't necessarily writing for CBS. Yeah. Like you will see those quarterbacks go early, make sure that you can prioritize them in super flex, especially because the other thing about that is you're talking about premium productivity on a consistent basis. And that is something that's really important. If you're going to have a good team that you're putting out there every single week, the Josh Allen's the Herbert's of the world, those-end QBs, they make a significant impact. You just have to make sure that you're the kind of fantasy player that understands the depth of the pool too. So you can start

plucking some of those late wide receivers with upside to make up for the deficit. Because when you use an early pick on one of those guys, even in a single quarterback league, especially, you're going to miss out on some depth at running back and wide receivers. So you need to be more well-versed, I think, in those names in order to make up that ground. Joe, I got to ask you. So you said that you like to take quarterbacks early. I wouldn't exactly put myself in that situation. I kind of like to live in the second and third tier

if we look at Heath's rankings. Not that I have anything against it. Is that in single or in super flex? In one QB, one QB. Yeah, super flex is totally different. I have nothing against Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, and Mah homes. They just go a little bit early for me, but tier two for Heath is Lamar Jackson, Jalen hurts, Tom Brady, Kyler Murray tier three is Dak Wilson burrow. Um, I'm usually in that range, I guess. And then I'll try to grab fields or Lance specifically a little bit later. Uh's your, you know, what's here do you typically live in?

See, I'm very draft to draft. See, I'm very much about trying to see the board. Like if Josh Allen drops further than he should, I'm not the guy who's going to pass on him to, you know, if you give him to me in the fourth round or some nonsense like that, well, I'm going to take him, you know, even late third round, if I can make it work, if I got to pick by by the turn i'm willing to do that as well absolutely uh and the nice thing is if once josh allen goes you kind of know exactly then that you're on the clock so to speak for

justin herbert which is kind of fun so you could play that game too where you're like all right i'm just gonna wait for the first person to take josh allen and then see if i can get herbert at a good value in the next round and then after that i'm I'm more than, okay, let's wait. Let's see how the board develops. I think Joe Burrow in the middle is a tremendous value. If you get Lamar at a good value in the next few rounds after Josh Allen goes, I still love that upside. I'm still not off of Lamar here.

I don't think that we're going to give up on this kind of talent. Guy's got multiple thousand-yard rushing seasons. I do believe there's another gear in him in a pass that we haven't seen in the NFL level. I think he will put the work in. I think the guy wants to get paid. And then after that, you can go safer with the Staffords of the world

that will basically be there when you want them. If you want to do a combination where you take Trey Lance and Kirk Cousins and you play the upside play and hope that the kid has a season like Jalen Hurts had last year or even better, that's a great approach. So to me, it's very much, um, I would say you could be two things in a draft prepared and flexible. So I just like to watch the board as it comes to me and then take the value as it presents itself. So I'm good with any of those three strategies, depending.

I don't like to lock myself into one way of thinking to me, that kind of, that kind of locks you up in a draft and then you end up making bad decisions then heath how about you if if there is a tier everybody i think prepared and flexible is a is a great way to phrase it so we don't lock ourselves into anything but just based on the drafts you have done heath one quarterback leagues which tier do you typically find yourself drafting quarterbacks from uh tier two the lamar mostly Lamar or Jalen Hurts, one of the two, because it seems like in most drafts, one of those guys is there in round six, round seven, and I'm just like, this is stupid. I'm going to take them now. Now, there have been some times where I've taken one of the tier one quarterbacks, most likely whoever goes third between either Herbert or Mahomes. I've not

taken Josh Allen that I don't believe, but in our drafts, if he falls to round four, I think you should. Yeah. Look, we have a comment right here from Timmy. Josh Allen in the fourth round, every mock draft I've been in, he goes in the second mostly. That's what we're talking about. When we do little CBS or analyst

drafts, he doesn't go in the second, but when you draft, he probably will. We will not be telling you, at least'll almost speak for joe but at cbs we will not be telling you to take josh allen in the second joe how about you when's the earliest you would take josh allen you know i i think you can make the argument when you're up at the turn again in those you know top three picks that when it's coming back to you let's say pick number four if you if if there was a lot of running backs taken let's say and you're not somebody who's super thrilled with running back or you got it like a dalvin cook or somebody you feel really good about like pick four overall

then josh allen's there do you take josh allen and all those wide receivers are a little bit closer to each other in that that next grouping in that 1a grouping maybe you get mike evans in the third round so i think it's more about which players are gone on the board more than anything. And the same is in verse when you're in the bottom of the third round, if Josh Allen's still there, you know, at the ninth pick in the third round, I can see taking that jump there for sure, because you don't want to let it get all the way to the bottom because you know, you're not going to see it again. So once again, it's all about pinpointing the remaining players on the board, understanding the ebb and flow. But I think people continue to live in the past when it comes to quarterback a little bit.

We're thinking, wow, like you guys were saying before, you can always wait. A quarterback will find these guys are all the same. These prolific passers, all these pocket guys are the same. They're not the same anymore. These guys that are incredible athletic quarterbacks that can also throw the football besides run. This is a very special group of quarterbacks in a league that has changed significantly in the last 10 years where it is a pass heavy league. Everybody's got to, you know, come to their senses about that and realize that having one of these elite, super elite quarterbacks, I should even call them, is a distinct advantage on a weekly basis. And it's something you should take into account. Streaming wide receivers, streaming running backs, that's something you do. Streaming elite quarterbacks is hard to do.

Even if you're, you know, picking guys up off the waiver wire, those guys are those lower mid tier guys that, you know, like we talked about, maybe fields does well, maybe Lawrence does well. We don't know. Maybe one of those guys pops off and has a great season, but the point is, you know, you're locking in great productivity and that is a huge win for fantasy football on a weekly basis to have that guy who can get you 35 points. Man, that's something special. All right, we're going to take a break and get further into the tiers when we come right back on Fantasy Football today. What does possible sound like for your business?

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Joe, any major disagreements there? Tier one is Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes. No, I mean, I think that's definitely the tier. You could even, I think you could make the argument to even drop Mahomes out of that tier because of the unknown factor

coming into the season. But I think that would probably be a mistake because he's such a fantastic talent. And it might end up being a situation where I get more like the Drew Brees of old, where unfortunately

for fantasy players, we kind of, we can't pinpoint, is it going to be Lance Moore or Devery Henderson or Marcus Colston this week? It's going to be somebody. I don't know. Is it going to be Lance Moore or Devery Henderson or Marcus Colston this week? It's going to be somebody. I don't know who it's going to be. It's going to frustrate the hell out of people. It used to be very simple to have Mahomes and Hill or Mahomes and Kelsey. But in

these next few years, it's going to change. So that's the only frustrating thing. But those are the elite guys. I think we can all agree. Okay. So then tier two, Heath, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Tom Brady and Kyler Murray. You've got three very very mobile guys and a statue in tom brady but it's lamar jackson jalen hertz tom brady and kyler murray and how much separates tier two from tier one uh not a lot just like just barely enough to call it

a tier i i think it's more likely that somebody from tier one is the number one quarterback this year than someone from tier two. But I believe all of the top seven there have the ability to be the number one quarterback in fantasy. And Brady gives us a good, because he's the only guy in the top seven that's not going to run for 250 or 300 yards. And he gives us a really good example of how you can be a pocket passer and still be the best quarterback in fantasy. You need a coaching staff that allows you to throw it 700 times, and you need two of the best wide receivers in football. And if you can have that, then you can be a pocket passer, not run at all.

Now, it's probably not fair to say not run at all, because Tom Brady finds his way to a couple of rushing touchdowns every year. He adds a few fantasy points that way. But no, anybody in the first seven finishes number one, I won't be that surprised, and that includes Jalen Hurts. Who do you think, Joe, has a better chance of finishing number one, Jalen Hurts or Tom Brady? You know, honestly, this is going to piss people off.

It's Tom Brady. He's a statue, but that statue is made of gold. And if he's going out with the guns a-bla I mean it's kind of terrifying for the rest of the league right like he's got nothing left to lose he's he's the head coach of the offense now I mean not that he wasn't before but he really has all the reins to himself in a lot of ways now so that's kind of terrifying and it's funny as I was listening to you describe Brady it was reminding me of Joe Burrow's situation and how I don't think people are paying enough attention it's like oh he's got all these great wide receivers

and he's got the ability to throw the football and they've improved the offensive line a little bit year over year too. No, Joe Burrow, don't sleep on that guy because as the year went on there, boy, things started to literally look good there. Look, Jalen Hurts was a terrific fantasy investment last year. He was one that scared the heck out of me, I'll be honest, because whenever you have a player that you worry about the real football issues of, can he continue to win games for this team? And, and will there be some controversy or anything like that there? I think that's something that always kind of pulls

me back a little bit with Hertz. I hope that he takes another step forward, but yeah, I think Lamar is the guy you could absolutely seeing QB one. The only guy in this tier that kind of scares me to be honest with you is Kyla Murray that you've gotten tier two because Kyler Murray, again, from the frame standpoint and the style of play worries me. Two years ago, you had an offensive lineman fall on top of them and he couldn't throw the ball for about four weeks. I think we all remember it was like about 10 yards as far as he could throw the football. Last year, missed a few games. The yards per carry were down. He's missing DeAndre Hopkins for the first few weeks. Like there's a lot of things in there where it all starts to,

I can see more negatives around Kyler Murray that scare me off just a little bit. So I understand why people are very high. And a lot of smart people like Heath are very much on Murray. I was somebody on Murray last year, but then the second year of taking some of the beating that he's taken in that frame at this level, it concerns me a little bit because the last thing you want is a guy that's hurt. And the last thing you want a guy is missing games with quarterback position, especially in super flex. That can really hurt

you. I could very, very easily. And that's like, there's a couple of places where this is true, but I don't think anywhere more true than the break between tier two and tier three. I could have very easily created another tier and put Kyler and Dak in that tier by themselves. Yes, 100%, yes. But it's just like, how many tiers do you want to have with two or three guys in it? They're the two guys that you could see being first

or out of QB1 altogether, potentially. Like, there's an argument to be made where you can create those scenarios, and that's terrifying. And that's, to me, in the single quarterback leagues, like, you got to weigh that. Do you want to go ahead and take kyler murray with big draft capital or dac prescott or do you want to wait a couple more rounds take stafford and you know maybe throw a flyer on trey lance or deshaun watson for the second half of the season if he plays or whatever to me i'd rather do the latter part than the former all right it seems

like dac falls far enough to where he's almost closer to Stafford than he is to Lamar and Hertz. Unless you're in a draft with a bunch of Cowboy fans. On Fantasy Pro's ADP, Dak Prescott is QB 7. He goes ahead of Jalen Hertz is QB 8. So Joe Burrow is 6, Dak 7, Hertz 8, then Tom Brady, then Russell Wilson. That's your top. That's 6 through 10.

But I'll just read the Fantasy Pros ADP. Josh Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, Joe Burrow, Dak Prescott, Jalen Hurts, and Tom Brady. So when I compare that to—that's top 9, then Wilson's 10. When I compare that to Heath's tiers, Hurts and Brady are in tier 2, and Burrow and Prescott are not. Hurts and Brady would be with Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray. But you know, you mentioned this possibility of Kyler Murray not being a QB1, but is there really a possibility of Murray not being a QB1, a top 12 quarterback, if he stays healthy or is injury the only concern you have with Kyler? Injury is the only concern, but I think it's a big one. I think it's one you have to be just really hypersensitive to. And I also, you know, I know everyone keeps saying, well, they got Marquise Brown. I'm like, well, look,

I know Marquise Brown was improved last year. He still drops a ton of balls. And I remember watching Marquise Brown, you know, that run he had two years ago where, yeah, well, he scored a touchdown on every game for like five weeks. And every time you watched those touchdowns, it was some DB slipped and fell and he ran away from them. Somebody missed the coverage. They were all like mistake issues. And I remember watching every time and going,

man, people are going to look at this line and think it's better than it is and it's going to piss me off. And then it would come back and it would be the same thing. And it was like a month and a half of that. It drove me absolutely out of my mind. DeAndre Hopkins is special. DeAndre Hopkins was hurt last year and a half of that. It drove me absolutely out of my mind. Deandre Hopkins is special.

Deandre Hopkins was, was hurt last year. He was not present again. I think there's just more volatility in Kyler Murray and in single quarterback leagues. I don't want volatility as much as there's upside there. And if you want to take them, I'm not saying you don't, that's fine. But I think you'd be foolish not to back it up with a quarterback on your bench of a Kirk cousins kind of ilk that you feel pretty solid about just in case you're going to miss three or four games of Kyler Murray or if he's hurt and playing through because that's even worse.

Yeah, that's because then you don't know. Then you plug him in your lineup and you're pissed off because you're not getting vintage Kyler Murray. You're getting C minus Kyler Murray. And that is sometimes more frustrating because you had an option sitting there and you could have taken that one instead. Yeah. Last thing on Kyler, though just, just to be pro Kyler here, I haven't drafted him at all. And I think I should start, uh, he before 2020, before he

sprained his AC joint, he was the number one quarterback in fantasy. And last year before Deandre Hopkins got hurt, I think he was number two per game. Yes, he was. And we always talk about, well, he doesn't have Hopkins for his first six games. But after that, he has Hopkins and Brown. So that's better than anything he's ever had. I do think the first six games are going to be a little dicey. But if you can make it through that and you can make it to your fantasy playoffs, you easily could have the top quarterback in fantasy.

He has clearly shown that uh and you and you guys i think have acknowledged that kyler murray has number one upside yeah all right tier three is dac prescott who was the number seven qb last year both per game and overall and dac prescott's number i just want to throw this out there. Dak Prescott's numbers last year in 16 games, very similar to Kirk Cousins. Actually, really, I guess I missed this because it was 16 games. I was going to say very similar to Kirk Cousins over the last two seasons, 17 games,

but it's actually Dak's better because they have almost identical numbers. If you look at Kirk Cousins, 17-game pace over his last two seasons, they're almost identical to what Dak Prescott did in 2021. But now I'm just realizing Dak did that in 16 games. Okay, so Dak has better than what Kirk Cousins has. I think what you've discovered here, Adam,

is that Dak Prescott is better than Kirk Cousins. Yes. Nobody else knew that. However, well, what I was shocked to see was how similar their numbers were, but I didn't realize there was a missing game there. But however, if you look at Cousins before the Adam Thielen injury last year, he was probably better than Dak.

He really tanked after Thielen got hurt and missed most of the last seven games of the year. Anyway, tier three is Dak, Russell Wilson, Joe Burrow, and that's it, right? Dak, Wilson, and Burrow? Yeah. How would you define this tier? I would define this tier as I wish they were all in different tiers.

Like, I do not. This is a range of four. You know you can do that, right? They're your tier. Yeah, right, they are. Yeah, I do not. You know, I remain unconvinced that there is a way that I could tier these players that I would be satisfied with at the end.

Fair enough. But, yeah, I could tier these players that I would be satisfied with at the end. Fair enough. But I could see, Joe said it, Dak could be QB1. I mean, he's shown us that ability. I don't really buy it, though, which is why he's not in the tier above this. Wilson, I don't know how to know what to expect because I don't actually know how good his wide receivers are. I know that we really would like to believe that they are really, really good. And I don't know for sure that it's going to be that much more of a high volume passing offense than what he had in Seattle. It's going to be more, but it's not as if Hackett has traditionally been Mr. Air Raid.

Heath, do you think that division pushes it to be more? Because it's Mahomes and it's Herbert, and maybe the Raiders do take that step forward. Do you think it gets pushed out of necessity, potentially, as opposed to the NFC West, which historically played a lot of defense and whatnot? I think it's possible, but you look at what the defenses in this division did. Like if Mahomes takes a step back because he doesn't have Tyree kill and Derek Carr remains Derek Carr, then I think the Broncos defense might be good enough to where that's not the case.

Fair. One thing about Dak Prescott is his rushing yards per game. Last year was 9.5 yards per game. His rushing yards per game in his first five seasons was 19 yards per game last year was 9.5 yards per game. His rushing yards per game in his first five seasons was 19 yards per game. So if he gets back to that, it's an extra fantasy point per game, which is not insignificant. Not just the yards

though. Dak was consistently a six rushing touchdown per 16 game guy. Almost so much so that we made jokes about it. I think he had one last year. So it's probably two to two and a half fantasy points per game if the rushing goes back to what it was. But it's been three.

What's the last three years? Three, three, and one? Or is it just the last two years? Well, one of the last three years is like five games. Yeah, yeah. More rushing production coming from Dak Prescott. All right, so again, tier three is- And he started off like, let's not forget, 2020,

he started off like gangbusters. Yeah. He was terrific before he got hurt. I think he was a per game finish QB2 that year. Yeah, I was going to say, so anybody who thinks we're being hyperbolic like Dak could finish, well, go back and look at the first five games or four games before he got hurt in 2020 because people were like, wow, this guy's going to be MVP. And I remember because I had him on every team and I was like, oh, this is great.

The Dak Prescott MVP season. Nope, nope and then his his foot fell off and that was okay and uh joe burrow is in this tier as well and i think joe is probably higher on i guess that kind of a thing you have to be higher on the guy named joe is that yeah yes it's part of the contract i was a big heath ledger guy oh, well, he's so talented. So talented. So versatile as an actor. I meant to say Heath Schuller. Well, you know,

all the Heaths get the, it's a bigger club. The Joe club is much bigger. You know, we have like the convention center, you know, Heath can get together at the holiday inn with a couple of the other Heaths,

you know, hanging out there. But Joe Burrow, to me, once again, I feel like we're just scratching the surface of what he's going to be able to do at this level. And because he is right, you know, he's an athletic quarterback.

He can get out there and move a little bit. But the fact that he is more of a pocket passer, it's funny to me. I almost think he doesn't get enough respect, I feel like, for what he did down the stretch, for what that offense was able to do. And I'm just very excited to see all those guys together and Jamar Chase in year two. Because I think this guy, once again, we are barely seeing what they're capable of doing together at this level. It's going to be very exciting to see if indeed they grow in year two together, and that's going to be something special. And I'll admit I'm a little bit of a fraud because I really wanted Burrow to be in tier four with Stafford Cousins and Rogers. Do it after the show. Do it. Yeah, I'm surprised. I'm underestimating the potential leap in pass attempts

relative to what everyone else seems to see. What do you have him at? What do you have the Bengals at pass attempts? I have Joe Burrow below 600, I believe, 583. Okay, I'll give you a number. I always talk about this game. It was the San Francisco game. After that, they said,

we're going to just turn Joe Burrow. They were conservative with him because he was coming off the knee injury. After the San Francisco game, they decided to be a little more aggressive with him. What happened in the next game? Yeah, the next game was a fluky game. But I'm not making this up. This is what they said. So you can stop with him. What happened in the next game? Yeah, the next game was a fluky game. But I'm not making this up.

This is what they said. So you can stop with that. But even if you include the next game... But the next game, how many passes did they do? The next game, he had like 22 passes. But even if you include that game, he averaged 36.5 pass attempts per game over his last seven games, including the playoffs.

And that would be 604 passes over a full season or 605, which would have ranked 11th last year in the NFL. So you can talk about that next game, but definitely they threw the ball more in the last seven games of the season. I will just say like in 600, I think we've got to reprogram a little bit because 600 used to be like, oh, you're on one of the most pass-heavy offenses in the NFL. Last year, league was 593 so 600 is slightly above average if he gets to 600 and he starts running like justin herbert or patrick mahomes which isn't a huge bar then i do think that he could be a top three quarterback that's just two different things that i i'm not able to project a leap in both all right let's go a little faster so we can get to some of the lower end guys as well.

But tier four is Stafford, Cousins, and Aaron Rodgers. So Heath defined tier four to me, to Stafford, to everyone, Cousins and Aaron Rodgers. I mean, they're really good, but also yawn. I don't think any of these three quarterbacks in their current circumstances are a legitimate threat if everything goes okay for everyone else to be top five quarterbacks this year um i do think that they are very likely maybe strike the very on rogers just because of the uncertainty of his situation but very likely to be top 12 quarterbacks and cousins probably has the most sneaky upside of the group because everybody views cousins kind of like derrick

carr i think and man he's got justin jefferson and if they really come in and bring ram's pass volume to this offense then then maybe cousins gets to sixth or seventh. Maybe he earns that Dak Prescott comp. Yeah. Always really good with touchdown-interception ratio, which certainly helps in fantasy. He's like Carr with fewer yards and more touchdowns. You know what? I just realized that the correct answer was

this tier is the better in Scott Fishbowl tier. Right. Interesting. Right. Fewer bad plays. So so again it's stafford cousins and rogers joe just real quick do you agree that these guys are a little yawn as he says don't have the top five upside well that's not exactly the way he said it but i guess unlikely to finish time well he did yawn the yawn was definitely there i recall the yawn i would call this to your accomplished but um lacking overall upside it's the perfect grouping that if you went with

jonathan taylor one in the super flex draft that you wanted two quarterbacks on the way back boy you probably get two of these guys and just lock in quarterback and and just feel really safe about it they're like they're like a safe blanket they're like you know that that sitcom that's you know like like Seinfeld. It's somewhere I'm going to find it. I'm going to laugh. I've seen it a hundred times. It's still good.

I know the joke is coming, but I'm going to enjoy the next 25 minutes of my life. I think that's what it is. All right, let's go to tier five, the upside half of tier five. And then there is a floor half of tier five. Not exactly a half, but tier five upside. Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Deshaun Watson, Tua Tungavailoa, and Trevor Lawrence. So this is Deshaun Watson plus some of these young guys we like. Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Deshaun Watson, Tua Tungavailoa, and Trevor Lawrence.

Obviously, Deshaun Watson speaks for himself. The other guys. And then, you know what Heath? I'll just throw in the floor portion of this too. Derek Carr, Jameis Winston, Carson Wentz. I, that's where I think a lot of people are going to disagree. We already started the show with that, but as Joe said, to not have Derek Carr in the upside portion and for me to have Carson Wentz and Jameis Winston in the same tier as Derek Carr, I don't like it, Heath. I think you need to reassess. Well, thankfully, I'm not a talent evaluator,

and so I'm not putting you in the tiers based on their physical skills or looks or how red their hair is. But I do, I think in terms, especially in terms of projected fantasy production for them this year, I have them very close. And in terms of fantasy production over the last three years, they have been very close. And so that is why they are still in the same tier.

Okay. Thank God. I mean, look, Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz was so bad in 2020. I mean, I have forgotten how bad he was until just now. He averaged 218 yards per game. He threw 16 touchdowns to 15 interceptions. That was

2020. Yes, he did bounce back nicely last year, but that was largely with the 5.2% touchdown rate. All right, fine. He's fine. I don't think like I'm not projecting Carson Wentz to have a 5.2% rate next year and Derek Carr to have a 3.7% rate,

but like just for a short second to entertain the possibility that Carson Wentz might be better than he was last year. I would expect Washington to throw close to a hundred more passes than the Colts did last year. It was like 521 pass attempts. I would suggest that Terry McLaurin and Jahan Dotson is the best wide receiving duo Carson Wentz has ever played with. That is a fact. I agree with that statement.

I don't know that they'll have better numbers than what Jeffrey and Aguilar had that year. I mean, you know, I don't know what to expect from Dotson. But then you throw in Ertz. Ertz and Jeffrey and Aguilar that one year had a very – that was good. Yeah, it was one year. That was one time where Alshon Jeffrey was on the field. Yeah, that was fun.

I accept the premise. More passes, better talent. Best talent around him he's had and much higher passing volume will likely mean that he again outproduces whatever you perceive his skill level to be. Whatever I perceive. If he was so good, they wouldn't

have been dying to get rid of him. I mean, they couldn't have wanted to get rid of him more. Two teams in a row, back-to-back years. But fair enough um and then fields lance to uh watson trevor lawrence um definitely i think a lot of people are going to want even if it's not your only quarterback they're going to want to dip into this tier because there is a lot of upside there so let's go to tier six i i can make this really easy for

you because oh wait can i just say one thing about tier 5 real quick? Yeah, yeah, please Real quick, Trey Lance, again That's the guy that if you drop him in there as a day 1 starter This is a guy that could leapfrog into that top 5 Because of the pieces around him Like that is the one guy So we can talk about Tua all we want

And he's got limitations Trevor Lawrence, I love Trevor Lawrence The prospect still, I absolutely love him long-term in dynasty, but still there's a lot lacking around him to show Watson. We already, as you said, speaks for itself fields limited in what's around him. But Lance is that one guy. It could be just a complete difference. If indeed he is the day one guy,

if Jimmy Garoppolo, like I don't buy into the, the dream that team chaos has. And I am firmly a member of team chaos that Jimmy Garoppolo, I don't buy into the dream that Team Chaos has, and I am firmly a member of Team Chaos, that Jimmy Garoppolo is going to start week one. That would be awesome as long as I don't draft any Trey Lance. But there is a chance if they don't trade Jimmy Garoppolo and Trey Lance is not good at throwing the ball that Kyle Shanahan goes back to Garoppolo, right? Oh, there's a hundred. Look, how can you not even consider it? Just because this is a team that went to the Superbowl and then the NFC

championship came two years in a row with Jimmy Garoppolo. Forget fantasy. This is real football. We're talking about, look at the teammates and what they think about Garoppolo potentially. Like at the end of the day, the coaching staff, like they don't care about our fantasy investments.

All they care about is winning football games and they've arguably gotten very close to the pinnacle with Jimmy Garoppolo that's a tough sell I think to the guys in the locker room if you if he's there that you don't play him I think that's a big conversation to have and that's what makes Trey Lance so difficult to rank this year and then Adam we're gonna start on tier six yeah yeah I mean Fields I just want to point out in his last four healthy games so difficult to rank this year. And then, Adam, we're going to start on Tier 6. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Fields, I just want to point out, in his last four healthy games,

Justin Fields scored 27.3, 20.1, 22.4, and 18.9 fantasy points in six points for passing touchdown league. So he also deserves a lot of credit for what he did late last year. Okay, go ahead, Heath. Tier 6. Well, the Tier 6, Tier 7 designation is the simplest of them all. This was the point where I gave up on tiering by projection or ranking and just tier six are guys who I do not think will lose their

job this year. Tier seven are guys who I do not think will play 17 games this year. Okay, I'll read the names. Tier six is Ryan Tannehill, Daniel Jones, Zach Wilson, Jared Goff, Davis Mills, Baker Mayfield, Mac Jones, and Matt Ryan. Tier seven is Trubisky, Mariota, Drew Locke, Kenny Pickett, Desmond Ritter, and Geno Smith. And if you could pick a couple of guys, Joe, that you think could come out of tier six or seven and actually surprise us, be really worth starting fairly consistently, who would they be? Well, Matt Ryan already talked about, so that would be one that jumps to mind. Mac Jones, I think it's safe. And I think that Mac Jones could be a little improved. You know, Devante Parker is not going to play 16, 17 games. We all know that. But I do think Mac Jones, you know,

showed you that he is not intimidated by the NFL. He had a pretty good year as a rookie. I think people, you know, don't give him enough credit. I think they should be more aggressive. Jared Goff makes tons of mistakes, but the pieces around him are very good. Maybe the pieces around him can elevate him a little bit. That would be another one. Ryan Tannehill is a guy that I think last year, everything went wrong. How do you play when you have no wide receivers? We're talking third, fourth string guys that are out there that he's got no practice time with no rapport with, and he made a ton of mistakes. So in Tannehill, you know, just this time last year, we were talking about, wow, he's a really safe low end QB.

One kind of guy that kind of floats around there is get your points, you know, score some touchdowns with his legs. We were talking about that. We miss with Dak Prescott. Tannehill bouncing back would not shock me either. So I think Tannehill in this group, I would say Mac Jones safe, Matt Ryan, maybe a golf. And then in that last year for me, it's, you know, the only guy that I'm really curious about is Kenny Pickett because, you know, Kenny Pickett had a really good year pit and just the way Justin Herbert came in the league. And a lot of people were like, yeah, he's a project. It's going to take a little while. And I'm not saying Kenny Pickett is Justin Herbert. I'm not saying

that, but I think everybody forgets the general consensus on justin herbert was yeah he's a little ways away and clearly he was not so maybe kenny pickett hits the ground running a little bit more than we give him credit for and maybe those small hands are not as small as we think they are in terms of throwing the football and maybe just maybe uh he's a little bit better than people giving credit so as a you know third or fourth quarterback in a super flex depending on the depth of your league he's's a fascinating late-round pick. Trubisky, Heath, I just want to point out, he was really good for fantasy in 2018.

He was number 12 per game. In 2019, Trubisky had a really bad year. In 2020, he didn't really play all that well, but for fantasy purposes, he actually was kind of, I mean, by my math, looking at the, he missed, he left two games early. Look at his eight healthy games.

He was kind of a top 12-ish guy just in fantasy points per game. His eight healthy games, he scored 30, 17, 25, 15, 31, 15, 28, and 10 fantasy points rounding up and down in six-point-per-passing touchdown leagues. So, you know, four big games, four kind of bad games, but that was usable. I don't know. So Trubisky, like you said, you don't expect him to start every game, but he might actually be okay while he starts.

For a 17-game projection, I have Trubisky projected for more fantasy points than a lot of guys in tier six. I don't know. Like, obviously he needs to make sure that no team doctors come close to him with any, anything that might puncture his lung. Justin Herbert comps for Kenny Pickett. That was, people forget that he was sitting behind Tyrod Taylor. Or Tyrod Taylor. Is there a guy that's worse luck than Tyrod Taylor? I mean, just the worst, man. Yeah, I mean, other than Derek Carr's touchdowns. That's the only other guy that was less lucky. But no, the guys in this group, I agree totally with Tannehill.

And if we get to camp and both Robert Woods and Traylon Burks look like they are 100% and participating all the time, I'm probably going to boost Tannehill up a tier into that tier five floor group. He deserves that. I'm just a little bit worried about what they're putting him around right now and what the plan is going to be. And I think both Goff and I'll say Baker Mayfield too,

both of those guys could be like high-end QB2s that don't have the upside to really matter a whole lot in a one quarterback league. But I think both Goff and Mayfield have the situations to be good. Well, then I think we have to get to the controversy here, which is my Thor tweet. All right.

So as I mentioned, not really a Marvel guy, but I wanted to see what I was missing. So I decided to watch Captain America about a month ago, and it was fine. The original Captain America was fine. And I watched the first Thor movie, and I loved it. It was great. So all right, I'm going to watch the other two Thor movies. I didn't watch the one that just came out.

Joe did. We can get a review of that. So I tweeted my ranking of the first three Thor movies. I didn't watch the one that just came out. Joe did. We can get a review of that. So I tweeted my ranking of the first three Thor movies knowing what was going to happen, but maybe not to the extent. My ranking is number one, Thor, number two,

Dark World, and number three, Ragnarok, which is how they came out chronologically, how they were released. And nobody agrees with me everybody thinks that Dark World sucks and Ragnarok is the best arguably the best Marvel movie

so I don't know why people don't like Dark World it's very good and first of all I really liked all three of them this is not me hating on Ragnarok but I felt like Ragnarok was very funny but a little bit too funny. Kind of took me out of the mood a little bit. Like, it was a little too comedic sometimes, a little too goofy.

And I thought it lacked. What kind of mood are you trying to get into when you're watching these movies? Like an intense mood. Because, like, the whole premise is goofy. No, there's an intensity to it. Well, that's not true. Because if you look at films like Winter Soldier, Winter Soldier is a very intense, like the other thing is like,

you know, if you watch one Captain America, like that's, those are the setup movies. It's when you get into Captain America, Winter Soldier and Civil War and you get into like the,

some of the deeper versions of what's going on. That's when the, if that's what you like, you're going to love those. That's the thing for you to jump to. So you should skip there. And if you did not like Ragnarok,

because there were a little too many jokes, then you're not going to like this next one. Because there were a lot of jokes. I liked Ragnarok a lot. I just thought that I just liked it the least of the three because I didn't really think the storyline was so great. I thought they maybe spent a little bit too much time in Jeff Goldblum land.

It seemed like, and I liked the Natalie Portmanman crew that was one of my beefs too like i liked the earth crew that didn't really exist and i liked his badass team of friends which also didn't exist in ragnarok so yeah i thought they got rid of some characters i was really didn't feel it at all with uh the guy who became the executioner for um for hella like i just thought the characters were worse that's carl urban from the boys by the way that guy yeah i wasn't really feeling it with him i just i thought the characters were worse and i thought the storyline was worse so it's definitely lighter in terms of that i mean it's definitely more fun and cape lancer it's great in it i understand your point of view. I think you are, even though your ranking is incorrect, I believe that your point of

view is correct because you are saying, look, I like my films in the Thor universe to have a little bit of substance. And the first Thor sets you up for that. So if you're just watching Thors in a row, I understand why Ragnarok is a weird divide. But the problem is if you're watching all of them in the marvel order yeah you've kind of been conditioned after guardians of the galaxy and a couple of his other films that you're gonna you're gonna enjoy yourself a little bit more in some of these movies and they're gonna be less serious and then you have the civil wars and the

you know which is again that's another great one talk about serious ending there and that is that's okay too infinity war all that stuff. So yeah, I get where you're coming from. I think your personal assessment is, has worth Adam Azer. I think your ranking is a hundred percent wrong, but I enjoy it nonetheless. And I can tell you right now, set yourself up for a little bit of the next one is very entertaining. It's very funny. We went to see it yesterday. I did like that. They gave you a lot of backstory of the Christian Bale villain, which is not something you get in a lot of films where you get backstory of the villain,

which makes it understandable more and bail is terrific. So maybe that'll save it for you. But yeah, I'm just saying be prepared for some, some jokes. I have not seen the new one yet, but Ragnarok is my favorite, and Dark World's my least favorite, and the new one will be either second or third, probably.

Ragnarok's one of my top five Marvel movies. It's most people's. It's beloved. Yeah, people love it. Yeah, yeah. You know why it is, too? And Adam, you have to understand this. Ragnarok was the palate cleanser after some horrible things had happened

where you needed a feel-good movie. I see. And I think that's why in the Marvel Universe, when you've seen them in order, you go, you know, Ragnarok, everybody loves it because you feel good because a lot of crap has gone down in Civil War. A lot of things have gone wrong.

Hulk has disappeared. It's a bad scene. Ragnarok made us feel good again. And then we move into Infinity War and all the other stuff after that. I think it's important to note that this might not be your worst Marvel take. Here's another take in the Twitter thread from back in 2019. Oh, this is true. Yeah, yeah.

The first time he ever watched Avengers, the 2012, the Avengers movie, it's really bad. It's a cliche machine. Might as well be a Transformers movie. I agree with me. Are you saying I agree to yourself? Yeah, yeah. I would clarify. I didn't watch.

I don't think i watched the whole movie i was just i turned on like tnt and i'm watching this what is this transformers and no it was avengers and uh i just this was i was not impressed at all wow well how many of the films have you seen probably about curiosity probably about eight to ten have you seen winter soldier no i never seen that one. I think you should see Winter Soldier, and I think you should watch Civil War, because I think from what I get from you, you like a little bit more of that edgy, serious Marvel kind of stuff. And I think that's in your wheelhouse, buddy. You're going to love those.

I think you're right. I disagree. I think you should watch both of the Guardians of the Galaxy. I've seen Guardians of the Galaxy. And then say how terrible they are. No both of the Guardians of the Galaxy. I've seen Guardians of the Galaxy. And then say how terrible they are. No, I liked Guardians of the Galaxy. How could you like Dark World more than Ragnarok and say you like Guardians of the Galaxy?

I do not understand your brain. That's a problem. Well, I liked Ragnarok a lot. I just liked Dark World. I thought it was really good. And you know, there was a moment in Ragnarok where you find out that Anthony Hopkins or whatever his name was, Odin, was actually kind in Ragnarok where you find out that Anthony Hopkins, or whatever his name was,

Odin, was actually kind of a monster who slaughtered a lot of people with Hela. Right. And they never really got into that.

You would think when Thor finds that out it would have shaken him to his core, but they never really got into that at all. It was really a lot of style.

What did you want him to do? You want him to go to therapy and talk? I think you have a chance there for some character Do you want Robin to do? You want him to go to therapy and talk like you want to go see him? I think you have a chance there for some character conflict. Do you want like Robin Williams to be his therapist

and he keeps hugging Chris Hemsworth saying it's not your fault? Is that what you're trying to get to? I thought it was kind of a bombshell that was more or less left untreated. And, you know, just floated out there and nothing really came of that.

So, you know, I don't know. I just thought it was a lot of style, not as much substance. But again, I liked it a lot. It was really good. I enjoyed it. I love the Thor movies. I mean, I think I'm a Thor guy. Are you ready to make your first Scott Fishbowl pick yet? No. I have the two

pick and I'm still waiting. Oh wait, no. Okay. I literally just checked five minutes ago and now i'm on the clock for it i am on the clock as well all right let's go guys make your picks what number do you have i have picked 12 so i now have two picks i've already ruined my annual goal of a zero um time on the clock not gonna do that this year um travis kelsey and jonathan Jonathan Taylor were the only two non quarterbacks taken in the first round. And so I am going to do the right thing here.

My first pick like undeniably the right thing. We should not care about floor or injury risk or anything in a tournament. This size. There's no reason Christian McCaffrey should still be available. I'm taking Christian McCaffrey 12th overall. Wow. Wow. Okay, who are you taking 13th?

I need to see which quarterbacks left because Dak's gone, Lamar's gone, Kyler's gone. I am taking Tom Brady. What about Kelsey and Andrews are gone? Tom Brady's still there? Kelsey and Andrews are gone? Tom Brady's still there? Kelsey and Andrews are gone? Andrews is still there, but Kelsey's gone. I am taking Brady and McCaffrey.

Who went 1-2 in that draft? I'm curious because I'm the two pick. So we're just starting. Allen and Justin Herbert, which I think is like the chalk of the chalk. That's exactly what my draft has been. And Allen went first, so I was going to take Herbert. And there's always that temptation to take the running back, but I don't know, man. I don't know. It's kind of hard

to pass to the QB. I'm just going to go do it and I'm going to take Herbert. I'll stick with the chalk for now and I'll separate myself later. That's where I'm going. And you know what? It's nice to have a little Herbert exposure for a change here, too. So let's keep the draft going here. But McCaffrey at 12, I can't argue with that. I would absolutely do the same thing

because what do you have to lose? None of us are going to win the whole thing. I made the playoffs last year. I'm sure you did too. At a certain point, you're like, well, you know, it's out of your control. There's so many variables in it. The nice thing is if he gets hurt in week three, I don't need to think about it anymore. There you go. There you go.

All right. Well, that's a great way to end it. Very good enthusiasm for fantasy football right there. Thank you go. There you go. All right. Well, that's a great way to end it. Very good enthusiasm for fantasy football right there. Thank you all. That was a very Ragnarokian comment. Oh, I screwed that up. I screwed that up. Ragnarokian, that's when Dwayne Johnson plays. Yeah, man.

Should have ended it 15 seconds ago. Thanks to Joe Pisapia. You can follow him at JoePisapia17 and check him out on Fantasy Pros Baseball and Football. And we'll talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football.