Fantasy Football Today - Raheem Mostert, Aging Elite WRs and a Mailbag! (07/10 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: July 10, 2020A lot to cover today as Raheem Mostert wants a trade and Fantasy managers want to know what to do about elite WRs who are starting to get up there in age. Which older WR worries us the most (3:23)? An...d then let's talk about the SF RBs (6:06) and what Tevin Coleman's outlook could be ... We talk about some of the difficult decisions we've had to make in the Scott Fish Bowl (13:40). Ronald Jones or Damien Williams? Should you stray from your rankings to lock up a backfield? ... Julio Jones may have shown some signs of decline in 2019, while A.J. Green has a lot to prove and T.Y. Hilton and Adam Thielen have battled injuries lately. We tell you how we feel about Jones (20:30), Green (26:00), Hilton and Thielen (30:00), Julian Edelman (34:10), the PHI WRs (37:23) and Antonio Brown (40:00) ... Your Apple Podcast questions and emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Nominate us on PodcastAwards! https://www.podcastawards.com/app/signup/ 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Touchdown.
Oh, he's done it again.
Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben.
Well, as Ben Schrager doesn't know,
in the movie Billy Madison,
no, Happy Gilmore,
in the movie Happy Gilmore,
he says,
it's too old.
You can't throw him out.
He's old.
Too old.
It's a great movie, Adam.
What are you talking about?
You don't know that movie.
Get out of here.
We're talking about old players today.
Old wide receivers,
plus your questions.
Fantasy Football at CBS.com
and Apple Podcast. So the guys we're talking about today, Julio Old wide receivers, plus your questions. FantasyFootball.CBSI.com and Apple Podcasts.
So the guys we're talking about today,
Julio Jones, AJ Green, Adam Thielen, T.Y. Hilton,
Julian Edelman, Deshaun Jackson,
Alshon Jeffrey a little bit, Antonio Brown.
These guys are 30 or older,
or will be 30 or older going into this season.
And what does that mean for wide receivers?
Are they showing signs of decline?
How concerned are we?
And of course, we'll answer questions about
how to set up your rosters this
year. Michael Thomas,
the Packers offense, keeper
questions, dynasty questions. I'm going to
ask Heath and Jamie about
the Scott Fish Bowl and Jamie's
back. So welcome back, Jamie. How was your
I don't know, almost week off from
the show. What would you do? Anything fun?
Finishing up our second magazine.
So just doing some writing,
not exactly nothing like fun fun,
but it's fun to write those stories
that we have for our magazine.
And our first edition of our magazine is on newsstands now.
You can find that at hopefully your local grocery store
if you're able to go.
It's a great read.
And the second magazine will be just as good. I don't know if i should ask you guys this question but i'm gonna do it anyway
it's what i do uh you have a lot of responsibilities at cbs podcasting writing video
i guess that's the crux of it but it's a lot uh what's your clean the bathrooms what's your favorite thing to do?
My favorite thing to do is probably FFT video, but they're all equal.
Likes to be a host, huh? You like to host.
I enjoy the host producer role that I have on that show. Yes.
Heath, how about you?
Oh, I think we lost Heath.
We'll have to get him out.
I was wondering.
He looked awfully still for a while.
It's a good pose.
If you're watching on YouTube,
Heath is just like... All right.
Let's see if we can get him back.
There he is.
The pose changed.
Hey, there he is.
Heath, what's up?
You there? All right. We're working through it, ladies and gentlemen. The pose changed. Hey, there he is. Heath, what's up? You there?
All right, we're working through it, ladies and gentlemen.
I'm trying.
Oh, here we go.
Here we go.
Yeah.
Okay, okay.
Heath, did you hear the question I asked?
No.
I heard you talking about Billy Madison.
Oh, that was it.
That was a while ago.
My question was, all the things you do at CBS,
video, writing, podcasting, what is your favorite thing to do?
Mostly podcasting. There's only one bad part about podcasting.
I know, the internet connection, apparently. Okay. Also, we're going to talk about Raheem
Mostert and Scott Fishbowl a little bit.
But let me start with this before we get into these guys individually.
Which of these older wide receivers that I mentioned, are you worried about from an age perspective?
Like, obviously you could be worried about Julian Edelman with the quarterback situation, not being Brady anymore.
But just from like, okay, it's time for him to really decline. Jamie, which guy
or guys are you worried about in that regard?
I mean, quarterback situation notwithstanding, it's Edelman. He's 34.
He has struggled with injuries several times throughout his
career. Last year, he played through it, but he's a guy
that if he loses a it but you know he's uh he's a guy that um you know if he
loses a step given what he does which he's not exactly a burner to begin with but if he loses
a step and and with the quarterback situation factored into it he's the one that i have the
most concern for of the guys that we're probably going to discuss that you're taking in the you
know early part of the draft i think deshaun daxon and alshon jeffrey are in a different category
and for now, Antonio Brown.
But when you're talking about, you know, the guys that you could draft as potential starters,
Edelman is the one that probably I worry about the most, which is why I have him ranked where I do.
Okay, Heath, same question to you.
Yeah, I'm a little bit worried about Julian Edelman.
No, that's not the question.
What do you mean that's not the question? Oh, wait, wait. Actually, I don't remember if you... Oh, you answered the podcasting question. What do you mean? Actually, I don't remember if you
answer the podcasting question.
Okay, I did.
The question was, yeah,
receivers my concern about.
I thought we just had an eight
minute break for technical issues.
So I forgot what he had actually
answered.
Yes.
He's same wide receiver question
for you.
I missed a lot.
Apparently, I am a little
concerned about Julian Edelman.
I'm a little bit concerned about Adam Thielen because I don't know. I am a little concerned about Julian Edelman. I'm a little bit concerned about Adam Thielen
because I don't know.
I'm a little concerned about T.Y. Hilton.
I'm not sure Adam Thielen can lose a step.
Like Julio, I feel pretty confident could lose a step
and he'd still be one of the best wide receivers in the NFL.
I'm not sure what Adam Thielen is if he gets a step slower.
Thielen and Hilton are on the young end of this discussion, but
they're both like
feels like they're maybe breaking down.
They've been dinged up
recently. Okay, we'll get
into those guys a little bit later.
If you want to know, I looked at some of the great
wide receivers and how they did at this age.
Jerry Rice doesn't count. He was good at
age 40. It's not
fair how much better Jerry Rice was than everyone else.
Marvin Harrison, great at age 34.
Reggie Wayne, 32, was really great.
Then he started to decline a little bit.
Terrell Owens was great at age 35.
Andre Johnson, his last great season, was age 32.
Same with Randy Moss.
So, yeah, I mean, there's a history of great wide receivers
being good in their early 30s,
some of them into closer to their mid-30s,
and Jerry Rice is just an absolute freak.
Let's talk about Raheem Mostert, though.
Huge topic.
He wants a trade.
Jamie, your read on this.
If I were any member of the Texans,
I would hide Bill O'Brien's phone.
I think he's just in a tough spot. You know, I mean, based on his age, I think he's just in a tough spot you know I mean based on his age I think he's what 27
he's got a cheap contract I think he's got six million dollars owed to him over the next two
years I would be surprised if the 49ers budge unless somebody comes and gives them a significant
offer to you know pry Raheem Mostert away. He was awesome last year for them.
He took advantage, I think, of just being in a great system with a great offensive line and play caller.
I don't know if he would have that advantage somewhere else,
but it's interesting when you're doing a slow draft,
like we are now with the Scott Fish Bowl,
when news like that breaks and how many people run to draft
Tevin Coleman and how quickly they do so.
It's not a bad idea if you're in a dynasty league
to go try and maybe get Tevin Coleman
if you could still get him as cheap as he was.
But Mostert's not in the best of standing right now.
So it may help his value if he's still a member of the 49ers and is the lead back as we expected.
Heath, what do you want to see happen for Mostert, for Coleman?
Do you want him to get traded?
I mean, I don't think it's very realistic.
Someone's going to give something up
to pay Raheem Mostert more money
than he's scheduled to make.
I don't.
I feel for the guy
because Tevin Coleman got paid.
Jarek McKinnon got more than him.
Kyle Juszczyk probably gets three times
as much as him.
And he's really good and it sucks.
But I think he's going to stay there.
I think it's just the way it is.
I was watching,
I'm sure you guys remember
the Saints 49ers game last night.
I was watching it last night.
You remember the Saints 49ers game
was just an absolute classic.
The 49ers were trolling the Saints
over that game, if you saw.
No, I was not.
I did not see that.
They're wear a mask,
I guess, sentiment or ad
that they sent out
was the face mask on George Kittle.
George Kittle.
Yeah.
That's good.
I think it's be a saint, wear a mask.
Oh, that's good.
That was like a crazy face mask.
That should have been like a 45-yard penalty.
Right.
And that set up the game-winning field goal.
But I was watching that game because I just wanted to see a little bit of Raheem
Mostert. I have
just obsessed with Kyle
Shanahan. He is incredible.
And when you think about
Mostert led the NFL in yards per
carry. Jimmy Garoppolo, I gave the
stat yesterday. The last three quarterbacks,
Garoppolo, Nick Mullins,
Garoppolo, top five in
yards per attempt.
You got all the yards after catch.
I mean, the scheme is so good.
Yet, Tevin Coleman didn't do very well last year.
Maybe he got hurt in week one.
Maybe he played the whole year hurt.
But Maheem Oster was so much better than Tevin Coleman.
I don't know. There's two things there.
There's like everybody excelled in that offense last year
from an efficiency standpoint.
But Coleman didn't. Coleman was never as good as Devante Freeman.
He wasn't as good as Raheem Mostert.
What do you make of all that?
It's a lot there, sorry.
But what do you make of that, Heath?
I do think there's some likelihood that Tevin Coleman
was not 100% for most of the year last year.
Going into last year, there was really not much doubt amongst anyone in the NFL who was a better
running back, Tevin Coleman or Raheem Mostert. We talked about this situation quite a bit during the
NFC West Projections podcast, and I still think it's pretty much a 50-50 thing. I think Tevin
Coleman will do more in the passing game.
Raheem Mostert will get more carries.
I don't expect Mostert to maintain that level of efficiency.
I do think Coleman will be more efficient this year.
And to be fair, Adam, I mean, he did have some good games
before Mostert started to take over.
I mean, the Carolina game was awesome.
That was it, though.
That was really it.
Well, I mean, his first game back,
week five against Cleveland, was really good.
Was it?
I mean, I think it was good because he scored.
No, he had 16 carries for 97 yards.
He was six yards a carry and had a touchdown.
That is a good game.
But no, I was looking at it.
I mean, he had a lot of bad games.
He had two terrible games right after that.
Well, the game against Washington, if you remember,
that was the weird one in the rain.
And then the Carolina game was just the weird one
on the other end of the spectrum.
And the first game of the playoffs,
he ran for 105 yards and two touchdowns against the Vikings.
Yep.
All right, but if we look at the full season,
I mean, 3.9 yards per carry
when both Breida and Mostert were over five.
Yeah, he wasn't good.
He wasn't good.
But the question becomes,
if he's the guy and you look at the game law,
I'm staring at it right now.
So from week 13, the final five games of the season,
he didn't have more than five carries.
So if he's getting that work with what Mostert was doing,
maybe those numbers are better.
All right, so you're drafting right now.
Knowing that Raheem Mostert wants a trade,
do you move him down a little bit?
Do you move Coleman up a little bit, or do you just keep it the same?
I switched it.
I put them back-to-back, but I dropped Mostert about five spots,
and I moved Coleman up about ten.
As we talked about yesterday, I had them basically I had them, um, basically right where Jamie
has them now, I think I'm not moving them. Well, how could, so Jamie, why did you do that? Why
did that's a very strong reaction? Well, no, it's, it's just, you know, you're kind of hedging a
little bit again, you know, like I said, we're, we're in the middle of doing our magazine. So
that's kind of for, you know, if you're picking it up and you're seeing this a few weeks from now
as well, um, if they trade most dirt, that's kind of the range you're picking it up and you're seeing this a few weeks from now as well. If they trade Mostert, that's kind of the range
where I think Coleman will move up from that spot.
And Mostert, if he goes to a timeshare, even worse,
then he can go down.
So it depends on what you're doing.
All these drafts that we're talking about now
are looking ahead, what, six weeks, eight weeks, two months,
whatever the season starts.
And even before this, Jamie,
you didn't have them separated by near as much as ADP did, right?
Like you had them closer.
I think ADP was most certain the fourth round
and Tevin Coleman in the 10th or 11th.
I had most like a sixth or seventh round pick,
depending on format and Coleman probably in the nine, 10 range.
Yeah.
Okay.
Final question.
If Tevin Coleman does get traded, where would you rank?
Sorry, if Rhea Moser does get traded, where would you rank Tevin Coleman?
You know, somebody brought up yesterday that they're still running back out there
that knows Kyle Shanahan pretty well, Devontae Freeman.
So you wonder if they'd make a move like that.
I would probably put Coleman where I had Moser.
You know, somewhere in the
late 20s. I would
not move Coleman because I would just assume
that Jeff Wilson or Jarek McKinnon
or Devante Freeman or someone
else was going to get the work they were going to give to Mostert.
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Give me one difficult decision that you had to make in the Scott Fish Bowl,
and we can have a little kind of rankings debate here on the show.
Heath.
Wow.
I thought you were going to like,
I've been waiting all week for you to ask me to talk about my team and
like the players that I have.
Everybody wants to tell you about their team.
And now you're just going to make me think about the draft instead.
And I wasn't prepared for that.
Well, you think I'll give you, I'll give you two.
One that worked out for me and one that I don't know if it'll work out.
So I was debating as my second quarterback,
Jared Goff versus Baker Mayfield.
And I took Goff, I think it was round seven.
And then three rounds later,
Baker Mayfield was still there in round 10.
So I took him as my third quarterback.
Oh, what a feeling.
That's the best feeling in fantasy.
The other one, which was something
that we'll see what works out,
was my third running back,
Ronald Jones and Damian Williams.
And so I ended up taking Ronald Jones.
I thought maybe there was a chance Damian Williams got back to me the next round.
He did not.
He went at the end of the round.
But that was when I was struggling with, you know, the potential lead back for Tampa Bay,
who could lose his job to Keyshawn Vaughn, or the potential second back to Damian Williams,
who could still be the lead back for the Chiefs, depending on how things go with Clyde Edwards-Hilaire.
So I thought, you know, with what Jones could do as a rusher, hopefully with some first downs, more
touchdown potential, I think if he is the lead guy there in Tampa Bay, that I took him
over Williams.
But we'll see.
If it was full PPR, I would have taken Williams for sure.
Heath, what do you think about that decision specifically, Williams versus Jones?
I have them in coin flip territory.
I do think I have Jones,
maybe one spot higher in this format.
I think either one of them could be top 20 backs this year.
So yeah,
I think it's like,
that's a genuine tough one.
I,
I I'll give you my two biggest regrets.
How about that?
Cause I love my team.
This draft is mostly gone.
Like I wanted it to round four there had already been 15 quarterbacks taken in my league i did not have one
and i had 14 picks until i picked again so i felt like i kind of had to take a quarterback but dj still there. I took Ben Roethlisberger over DJ Moore and in the next like six rounds,
four quarterbacks were drafted in my draft. I got Daniel Jones in round seven after taking
big Ben in round four. So that was a mistake. I didn't know that the quarterback run was going
to stop, but it did. And if I could have taken DJ more and then probably got Ben in round five, that would have been great. And then round 15, then realized about six picks left later that Chase Edmonds was still available.
And I wish I had taken Chase Edmonds.
Why? Over Antonio Brown?
I think they both have enormous upside.
But obviously Edmonds needs an injury.
Well, Brown
needs to get on a team and not be
suspended.
I really wonder if he's going to be
suspended because I feel like
he was basically suspended for 15 games.
We don't know. They don't care.
I don't know. I mean, I don't have a lean.
I told you yesterday, I don't have a strong lean whether he
will or not. I think it's about 50-50. And if he goes to the team that seems most likely in Seattle,
is he going to be as good as he's been?
No, that would be awful.
I really hope that doesn't happen.
Oh, you mean awful for everybody?
For everybody, yeah.
Except for Wilson.
I would probably move towards Ben's projection of Russell Wilson
if they did that.
I think if they go sign Antonio Brown,
that probably means they're going to do what Russell Wilson wilson wants and throw the ball more yeah yeah wilson
becomes the easy third quarterback without question you know he's in the conversation already
but he'd be the slam dunk he's my quarterback he's i took him in the second round of of the
fishbowl by the way for the fishbowl uh if you don't know there's what you start two quarterbacks
a super flex you start two quarterbacks you a super flex. You start two quarterbacks. You start two running backs, three receivers, one tight end,
and then four flexes.
And it's half PPR for everybody except tight ends.
It's full PPR.
So tight ends go early.
Quarterbacks go early in this format.
And Jamie, you don't have to start two quarterbacks.
No, but you do because it's super flex.
So it's five flexes.
One can be a super flex.
Yeah.
That's why I said you start two quarterbacks with four flexes,
really, because that's for most people, it's going to be that way.
I have Damian Williams,
and I wanted to see if Ronald Jones was on the board
when I drafted him,
and Jones actually went the pick before.
So I didn't have to make that choice.
It's funny.
That's a good point you brought up about Roethlisberger
because, like I said,
I was happy to get Baker Mayfield with Jared Goff,
but if you would have told me
that I could get Baker three rounds later,
I would have taken another position where I took Goff
and then gone for Phillip Rivers or Minshew or Tyrod Taylor
or somebody else as a third quarterback the next round.
So when you have things like that happen to you, Adam, you're right.
It works out well because you've got the two guys that you wanted,
but at the same time, you're leaving something else on the table
if you did have that choice still available to you. I can't remember if I said this earlier in the
week or not, but Dave and I both have Big Ben and Daniel Jones as our starting quarterbacks.
Dave took Jones in round four and Ben in round five. I took Ben in round four and Jones in round
seven. So it's like, you just don't have any, you can't hardly compare leagues.
Yep. And you're drafting with strangers, so you don't know any tendencies.
I want to ask you guys about this kind of predicament.
I like Marlon Mack better than Kerryon Johnson,
but I had DeAndre Swift,
and both Mack and Johnson were on the board
in round nine-ish, something like that.
And I took Kerryon Johnson to get
that backfield. And I could start both
of those lines. I don't really want to,
but I went away
from my theoretical rankings
to lock up a backfield in that situation.
I think in a normal league, that would
have made sense. In this format, I
probably would have taken Mack because
there's a lot
of upside if Swift wins the job and Mack wins the job.
With Swift and Johnson,
you can probably only have one of them be good.
Yeah, that's true.
I felt like most likely scenario
is none of them are great.
But if I had both Lions guys,
then I might get a great one.
True, but if Taylor's bad or gets hurt
for the Colts, Marlon Mack would be amazing.
He wouldn't be amazing.
He would be what he was last year.
He'd be amazing at the price tag.
Maybe a little bit better
with Rivers, just better offense.
Alright, well,
that's always an interesting one.
Do you go away from your rankings
in the context of the rest of your team? You have to. Okay. Well, good. I don't regret it. Let's go through these
wide receivers and then we'll get to the emails and the Apple podcast questions. All right. So
just tell me like how you're feeling about Julio Jones, basically. Are you concerned about his age?
Are you concerned about the fact that he had a 20.6% target share before Calvin Ridley's injury,
and then a 35.6% target share without Calvin Ridley.
And those last three games that he played without Ridley
were huge for him.
And he showed a little bit of decline last year.
He showed a little bit of a step back.
I don't want to call it decline,
but maybe it was.
I don't know.
What's your level of concern for Julio Jones,
who's 31 years
old? I don't have a level of concern of him being terrible. I have a level of concern with him being
drafted as a first round pick that if he does struggle a little bit, then you passed on one
of those running backs toward the end of the first round or Tyree kill potentially, or maybe Chris
Goblin or Deandre Hopkins traps, Kelsey, you know, the other guys that are going in that range.
My other concern is that in the first six games,
I think it was after Mohamed Sanu was traded,
Calvin Ridley was better than him.
And so if Ridley is better than him, and by the numbers that it was,
I think it was like 17 points to 14 points per game PPR,
the average, if I remember correctly, that did you take the wrong Falcons receiver in
the wrong spots?
You know, because Ridley's going to go somewhere around three-ish, you know, maybe slips around
four in some leagues, maybe it's round two, back into round two in some others.
But, you know, did you just make a mistake?
So I don't think that Julio, barring injury, just falls off the map,
like what we saw for Andre Johnson, for example, or Reggie Wayne,
like you said, Randy Moss.
But if he does have just a little bit of slippage, like he said,
he could lose a step and still be great.
But if he loses two steps or injuries become a problem again
just because of age, That's the concern.
I do like the fact that the Falcons losing Sanu, knowing Julio's getting up in age, even
paying him last year, that they brought in nothing.
No draft, no free agent.
They may really love Russell Gage and believe that Ridley has number one potential, but
I think they tell you that Julio should be fine and hopefully he should still be
at a very high level, played a very high level.
And Adam, you've given that stat over the first
13 or 12 games actually to Julio
because he missed one game.
He was on pace for
92 catches, 1,355
yards and five touchdowns at that
stretch. So like
he may have only had a 20. I'm not sure.
When you're calculating his 20.5% target share,
are you calculating as of how many games,
how many passes they've thrown at that point in the season?
Cause he'd not played one of the games.
I don't think so.
I think I looked at.
Cause he was on pace for three fewer catches and 40 fewer yards than he
finished with.
I'll double check. I'll double check. Cause I I know I thought you were going to ask me if I had
Matt Schaub's stats in there, which I did.
I will check on that. Either way, it wasn't like he had
really been bad before
those last three games. He'd been a top
eight receiver, maybe not a top three receiver.
That's the thing. Whenever you talk about
this, it's like, how comfortable are you with
the drop-off if there is a drop-off?
If he's being drafted as the third receiver
and he finishes as the eighth receiver, is that a win or a loss?
It's fine.
It's not a win.
Let me ask you this.
You can draft Julio Jones in round one or Calvin Ridley
in round three. Let's say you have the ninth pick. What are you going, right? You can draft Julio Jones in round one or Calvin Ridley in round three.
Let's say you have like the ninth pick.
What are you going to do?
Ridley.
Yeah, I mean, you know, typically I think most answers the two of us give are usually on the latter side of things based on value.
So, you know, if Ridley, like I said, that six-game stretch,
I wish I had the numbers in front of me.
I'm sorry that I don't, but he was better.
And then Julio just had that monster three game finish when Ridley was out,
even the Hooper was back. You know, part of that Hooper was, was missing as well.
Now Hayden Hurst could be an absolute stud and takes away from both of them.
But I think just the fact that none of us expect this offense to change dramatically,
even with Gurley being what will hopefully be an upgrade over what Devante Freeman was last year.
So, you know, there's still going to be in the,
I don't know where you have it projected, Heath,
but top five pass attempts, I would say that's fair,
you know, for what Dirk Cutter's offenses typically have been.
If they're not number one,
Julio's still going to probably lead the team in targets,
you know, so even though Ridley takes a step forward.
Remember, Ridley missed time with injury last year too, you know,
so it's not like he's just completely absolved from, you know,
being 100% healthy. So I think this is an offense that's going to flow through matt ryan
and and their passing game they have three significant targets and julio is the best
is this the year that he's going to completely break down i would bet against that so uh going
from the third guy most likely i i don't do any of you anticipate tyree kill being drafted ahead
of him based on adP because I don't.
I think he's still going to be fourth at best.
He's actually going.
Let me double check.
I think he's going.
He's going ahead of Julio already.
I know Hopkins is.
Let's see.
Oh, I guess Hopkins.
Yeah, it is.
It's Thomas Adams, Hopkins, Hill, Julio.
Actually, Heath, what's the format on NFC?
Half?
I think they have PPR and half in there together but there's no non so
I don't think I would anticipate
our ADP
to be him ahead of
Tyreek and ahead of Hopkins yeah same
all right let's go to our next question I've got I've got
the Falcons with the most pass attendance and Julio
with the third most targets
AJ Green is next guys
AJ Green 32 years old.
He's never been worse than wide receiver 13 in non-PPR
or 16 in PPR, and that's per game.
But it's actually kind of skewed
because there's been two seasons
where he played one game with like one target,
including 2018.
And that was when I think he finished like
outside the top 12 per game,
but he was really more like a top 8 wide receiver
if you removed that one random game.
He really ruins it because it was a perfect 8-game.
Exactly.
You get the 16-game pace, it's perfect.
He had to play that one stupid game
where he got hurt again.
Right, no, you're right.
And so in 2018, he played 8 games
and you just double his stats.
90 catches, 1,374 yards yards 12 touchdowns on 152 targets that was
an amazing season uh you know so what's your what's your level of concern for aj green a lot
um we like we didn't see him play last year he missed set basically eight games but seven games the year
before that he missed six games in 2016 like this you mentioned it with Hilton and Thielen it kind
of seems like they're falling apart well AJ Green's two years older and has a lot more injury
concerns he's got a ton of upside I've kind of just hedged on where I have him ranked if he plays
16 games he's probably going to be a top 15 receiver.
But there's significant risk,
especially with all the other wide receivers on that team.
He's played more than 10 games just once since 2015.
So it's troubling.
And I was thinking about, just as you were mentioning AJ Green,
I probably should have said him over Julian Edelman
in terms of who I have more concern for because of where Green is being drafted. So I think when you look at it, he's
never played for Zach Taylor, you know, missed all of last year's Taylor's first season, never
played with Joe Burrow, going to step on the field for the first time. God knows when, you know,
when they get on a chance to play together, I don't know if they've thrown together. Maybe
that's been the case, but I haven't seen that reported. So I apologize if that's the case.
If everybody's healthy and they do do what they're going to,
what they say they're going to do and play T Higgins in his rookie season a
lot, then you're talking about if Ross is healthy,
Boyd we know is going to command a significant target share.
Higgins will get some targets.
And I do think that Joe Mixon is the key to all of this because if Mixon is
healthy and builds off of what they did last year,
where he's getting so much work and maybe a little bit more involved in the passing game, then I think it's going to be
hard for Green to get that same target share that he's been used to when he was the dominant
force for the Bengals offense.
So as far as I know, he hasn't signed his franchise tender yet either.
It doesn't sound like they're going to work out a long-term deal.
Why would they if you're the Bengals?
So he may still decide, you know, I'm not going to show up until week one and just,
you know, go out and see if he can prove his worth.
You always want to bet on elite players when they have a chance to earn money
and he's trying to earn money.
But at 32, I don't know if he's still that same guy.
So I'm probably out on A.J. Green based on where you have to draft him.
I think Keith is right.
If he plays 16 games, he has a chance to be a top 15 guy.
But, you know, the track record so far suggests he's not going to play 16 games.
And I just did a quick Google search. The only thing i can find referencing is from two weeks ago joe burrow and
aj green still trying to plan off-season workouts so i don't believe they've done any workouts
together yet and i have been trying to furiously find out if i forgot about that game julio jones
missed when i give that stat i may have if i did it's more like he had a 22.7% target share
with Calvin Ridley,
which is still pretty low for him.
I'll try to figure that out for an upcoming podcast.
So, A.J. Green, I know you're not excited,
I guess, to draft him,
but he's going back-to-back with Tyler Boyd.
So, who would you rather have?
Still Green.
Still Green.
And how about Marquise Brown or A.J. Green?
Still green,
but it wouldn't shock me if Brown was better.
Yeah, I'll still take green. Okay.
So, you know, it almost seems like green
is getting to the point
where he might be a value at wide receiver 29.
Oh, 29 is
definitely worth it. You know, if you're talking about
somewhere near 20,
that's the problem.
Let me lump these next two together,
Adam Thielen and T.Y. Hilton.
They're both 30 or will be 30 this season.
They've both missed some time
or played through injury the last few seasons,
but they've both been really, really good
when they've been healthy,
except you can't really say that for Hilton last year.
But gosh, I'm blaming that on say that for Hilton last year. But gosh,
I'm blaming that on Brissette. I'm sorry.
So, who are you more concerned about, Thielen or Hilton?
Thielen, just because of where you have to draft
him.
Well, take that out of the equation, I guess.
I'm more concerned
about Hilton based on what he has to do.
Like, speed is his game.
Heath, how about you?
Yeah, I would say Hilton just because like there's,
we talked about it earlier in the week.
His average depth of target went down a lot last year and he still didn't do
anything at all after the catch.
And so I've got a little concern that he's just not quite as good as he was.
And we've already seen that decline and we're just blaming it on Jacoby
Brissett.
And then I don't know for sure how much Phillip Rivers has declined.
Like I'm,
I feel pretty confident that he's better than Jacoby Brissett,
but I don't know how good he is.
I don't know that TY Hilton has an above average quarterback.
Okay.
It's a great point,
especially with what we've been talking about a lot,
even though Gary Kubiak is technically a change from Kevin Stef stefanski he was there last year the system is probably
going to be the same so you have offense coordinator quarterback and number one receiver
everything's the same status quo rivers i know he knows frank reich system but he's still going
into a new scenario has to know what ty hilton likes to do and they added several parts you know two
significant ones running back and john taylor and you know another receiver and michael pitman
i know the vikings add justin jefferson and he's a big hopefully potential piece of that offense
but again he's got to work his way up to speed and step into a big role you know where kirk
cousins i think is going to lean when he's in trouble.
One thing I want to say about Hilton that people might not be aware of, 1,400 receiving yards is like a huge season.
He has been on pace for more than 1,400 receiving yards in 2014, 2016, and 2018.
And that was with a healthy Andrew Luck.
And his target share in those three seasons,
in the games he was healthy.
Sometimes I don't have time to go through all that.
I just do like, okay, here's a 16-game pace.
Here's how many passes they do.
But this is actually the games he played.
His target share was 20.2%, 26.7%,
which is very high for him, and 22.3%.
So he does a lot when he catches the ball.
Great yards per catch guy.
But that's just really impressive.
T.Y. Hilton's, I think, a little underrated
because he doesn't score a lot of touchdowns.
But on pace for more than 1,400 yards
in three of the last five seasons
and really suffered when Andrew Luck hasn't played.
It's basically what it's been.
You don't even have to react to that.
I just wanted to throw a little love his way.
If you're not afraid of these two guys,
these are very good receivers
if you go running back, running back
to start your draft.
Because Thielen should be there in round three.
And Hilton, round four is probably
on the early side for him.
But round four, round five
is, I think, where he's going to live.
He may start to push up internally.
How about round six?
It's just crazy, this NFC ADP.
It is so running back heavy.
But I'll give you where they are among wide receivers.
Adam Thielen is wide receiver 15
and T.Y. Hilton is wide receiver 26.
That seems low.
You like Hilton better?
But I would, again, I would have no problem
taking these two guys as my starting receivers.
Hilton is one for me in the fishbowl.
So, you know,
I think again, if,
if rivers does what he hopefully will do and what he's done with Keenan Allen
in the past, I don't know if they're the same profile.
Cause I don't think they are, but there there's a lot to like about what
Hilton can be. Like you said, Adam, what he's been with Andrew luck.
So I'm excited about Hilton as well.
By the way,
if you're playing along at home and you're looking at NFC ADP and it's not matching up,
I changed the date range to June 1st.
At some point in July, I'll probably go mid-June,
maybe even July 1st or whatever.
But right now I'm looking at June 1st through July 9th
as we record here on the 9th.
Julian Edelman, he's the oldest one in this group, 34 years old.
Talked about him a little bit.
Really though, you look at catch rate, you look at yards per catch,
he's the same guy for six straight years.
He's not showing any decline.
So, Heath, what do you make of that?
Or is there something I'm missing?
Is there any statistical decline for Julian Edelman?
Well, I think the nice thing for Edelman is he was never really hyper-efficient. It was just that he got a ton of targets and he caught a bunch of passes. And I don't know that he succeeded based on great athleticism. He runs good routes and he's really crafty. I don't know how much of that you lose with age. So yeah, I could see him aging. Well, it's it more for him is, is less of an age thing and
more of an injury and new quarterback thing. And will this team throw as much as they have in the
past? Uh, have you, since we last spoke, we did the emergency pod with, with cam signing. Have
you changed your opinion at all on Julian? I don't mean, cause I, he was pretty much unmoved
in your rankings after they signed Cam.
I bounced him up a little bit.
I've got him at wide receiver
28 in PPR right now.
He's such a different player.
He's such a different player
than T.Y. Hilton. I mean, they're like polar
opposites. Who would you rather
have in PPR?
Hilton.
Okay, so any format then.
And in terms of ADP,
Julian Edelman is wide receiver.
36 in between the Texans
guys. Fuller, Edelman, Cooks. Thoughts?
In PPR, that's great.
In non-PPR and half PPR, I think that's about
right. Yeah, in PPR
I'd definitely take him over Fuller and Cooks.
Why can't Cam Newton and Julian Edelman do what Tom Brady and Julian Edelman did?
They could, but there's just uncertainty.
They could, but when you talk about quarterback-receiver rapport, that's about as good as it gets.
I mean, they're friends off the field.
They probably spent a lot of time running routes together and throwing the ball.
Brady knew exactly those option routes. It's what he did with Wes Welker, too. they're, they're friends off the field. They probably spent a lot of time, you know, running routes together and throwing the ball, you know,
Brady knew exactly those option routes, you know,
it's what he did with West Walker too. You know, it's just the,
he sees where the linebacker lines up.
He knows what Edelman's going to do based on where that guy stands in the middle of the field. He sees where the cornerback lines up.
He knows which way Edelman's going to go and how he's going to break off his
route. Those are not things that you,
that you can get by without just knowing year over year and time over time.
And, and, you know,
they just announced the cam deal today on July 9th.
I know he's been thrown with Muhammad Sanu. He's been thrown with Nikhil Harry.
I'm sure there'll be a session with Julian Edelman, but you know,
they're late in the game. And so I, you know, I,
I think Edelman will hopefully be a good value pick
if he continues to fall, which is great.
But to expect the same 100 catch, 1,200, 1,300 yards,
whatever he typically is, 1,100 yards.
Yeah, like 11.
And six or seven touchdowns when things are right,
that's probably not realistic,
especially with Sanu for a full season and hopefully Harry better.
All right, Philadelphia wide receivers.
They're old. Deshaun Jackson's 33
and Alshon Jeffrey's 30.
Seems like Alshon Jeffrey's older
than Deshaun Jackson, though, just the way
the two of them have aged.
Let me ask you this.
How realistic do you
think it is that Alshon Jeffrey
has a good fantasy season?
Season?
Probably not a good season.
Stretch of games?
He could be one of these guys that
you pick up off waivers that helps you win a league.
Yeah, or
I mean, if he starts, he could start the season
out really, really well and get you off to a
fast start if he happens to be ready at the start of the year
and then probably gets hurt again midseason.
But, like, one of these guys has a great opportunity,
and if neither of them is there, then Jalen Rager has a great opportunity
to be the number one wide receiver on the Eagles.
Yeah, I guess, I mean, we already talked about Deshaun Jackson.
At this point, I'm just going to talk about him
from a fantasy standpoint, and we'll just leave it at that.
And the same thing with Antonio Brown.
Everybody can make their own decisions
about who they want on their fantasy teams.
So no judgment here,
and I'm just not even going to get into it.
Unless he's suspended.
Of course, if he's suspended, we'll get into it.
But as far as Deshaun Jackson goes, Jamie, he's 33 years old.
And he's another guy who's very much speed-based.
Based on the one healthy game he played last year, he's still fast.
What do you think about him at this age?
I wish I would have phrased it differently. What I expect him to do on the field is, you know,
I think it's so contingent on everybody else.
You know, if Alshon's not there, I was, you know,
going through the Eagles outlooks today,
and I wonder what role Marquis Gil is going to play.
You know, what's his impact going to be?
Because he does similar things.
He's not as good as Sean Jackson and hasn't been,
but he can do some similar things.
Clearly, there's a rapport with Carson Wentz
that he doesn't have with Jalen Rager.
He's not going to have with the other two rookies,
with Quez Watkins and John Hightower and Rager as well.
But we've seen what Jackson's upside is.
So he's one of those guys that you draft if
you're so inclined a swing for the fences type of player understand that there's probably gonna be
some missed time because he's missed a lot of time in his career and at 33 you know that doesn't help
his cause so late round pick I think that's a good move again if you're so inclined to draft
him based on what he can do on the field,
but it's a very crowded receiving core and we don't know how they're going
to divvy up the targets.
If Alshon is there and more than just Jalen Rager is,
is an impact player with JJR Sega white side and,
and what the tight ends and running backs do.
Heath,
I want to conclude with Antonio Brown.
So people might forget,
but Antonio Brown in 2018,
he was the number two wide receiver in non-PPR, number five in PPR.
But statistically, there may have been some decline.
Both 2017 and 2018, Brown's catch rate was about 62%.
And the three seasons before that, it was 68.6% or higher.
His yards per catch in 2018 was was 7.7 that was his lowest since 2012 juju smith schuster seemed maybe like he had a better
year than brown is that brown caught more touchdowns so we had discussions a year ago
about if antonio brown was starting to decline he was 31 at that point. He'll be 32.
As you're listening to this today is his birthday, July 10th, I'm pretty sure. So 32 years old this
season for Antonio Brown. And all we know is that he played one game last year. He caught four
passes and he scored against the Dolphins. So, you know, we don't know. We don't know if he's
declining. Is that still part of what you're thinking?
Is he a wide receiver and decline?
How do you approach Antonio Brown?
Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably fair to assume
that he's not on Julio Jones' level right now.
But I'm working with the assumption
that he's still on the Adam Thielen, T.Y. Hilton level. And I'm working with the assumption that he's still on the Adam Thielen,
T Y Hilton level.
And I'm working on the assumption that if he gets a job with the team and everything else in the universe is okay.
And he's just playing football with that team on most teams,
he's going to be the best wide receiver on that team.
Jamie mostly agree.
It's so contingent on where he goes. I, you know,
I would be surprised if he walks in the door at this point and he's the
number one receiver on a team. You know,
there's obviously some teams that would be the case like just off the top of
my head, you know, Miami, he'd be the number one guy there.
I would assume Houston, he'd be the number one guy there.
I don't know if he's the number one guy in Seattle.
You know, he profiles as it, but, you know,
does Russell Wilson treat him that way in terms of how he spreads the ball
around?
You know, so it's, you know, I would not, I don't know if Heath,
you're referencing that you would rank him in the Adam Thielen,
T.Y. Hilton range.
For me, he'd be closer to 30 than he would be to 20.
Initially, absolutely.
I think another thing that matters a lot is,
does Antonio Brown sign the third week of July
right as the team's getting ready to go to camp
and shows up and finds a helmet that he really likes the way that it fits
and practices every day with the team?
I'd probably end up getting him closer to the 20 range if that was the
case.
But if it's going to be a deal where he doesn't sign until halfway
through camp,
then no,
you can't get him anywhere close to that.
All right.
He goes to Seattle tomorrow.
He is not suspended.
Clear to go for week one.
Where is he in your rankings?
Antonio Brown.
25, 26. Yeah. Yeah. go for week one where is he in your rankings antonio brown 25 26 yeah yeah maybe like man how do you i think i'd still i don't know what i do with lockett and metcalf in that situation
yeah i would probably move lockett i mean move metcalf behind him yeah Yeah, I would have Brown ahead of, I think it'd probably
be Lockett and Brown pretty close to each
other. I was going to say like Lockett somewhere near
20, Brown somewhere
near 25 and Metcalf probably somewhere near 30.
But Heath, you're already down on
Metcalf I think comparatively to like David
and I. But I couldn't
like rank
Brown over
McLaurin.
I would probably still take DJ Chark over him.
I know that probably sounds weird,
but right now that's how I feel.
I would take Brown ahead of AJ Green,
for example.
Okay.
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Apple podcast question from Grant.
I'm joining a new league this year.
I'm inheriting a team that I get to keep four players.
10 team, non-PPR, two quarterback league.
I can keep Matt Ryan for a second rounder,
Josh Jacobs for a fifth rounder,
Brandon Cooks in the sixth,
Miles Sanders in the seventh,
Matthew Stafford in the eighth, DJ Moore in the ninth, and Kenyon Drake in the sixth. Miles Sanders in the seventh. Matthew Stafford in the eighth.
DJ Moore in the ninth.
And Kenyon Drake in the tenth.
Pick four of them.
It's so easy.
Well, it's two QB and it's non-PPR.
I'm not keeping any of the quarterbacks.
No, I'm not either.
Jacob Sanders, Moore, and Drake.
Okay.
10-team league, you should still be good.
Sounded like you called me a moron.
You said, moron Drake.
Like an idiot moron?
Yeah, an idiot moron.
Like, you idiot moron, I hate you.
That's still one of the best pranks ever.
I guess, a decent prank.
Okay, from Maverick.
Can you please listen to the Green Bay Packers section
of your NFC North coverage,
most of which was spent on the Scott Fishtrap?
Can you please go into detail about Devontae Adams,
where you think he will finish, how many years he has left, etc.?
Same questions about Aaron Rodgers.
Possibly say anything about Funchess and his impact on the team this year.
Will he take away from Devontae Adams?
What about their O-line?
How is that shaping up with the changes?
You talked about Jones and a little on Dylan
but didn't hear anything about Jamal Williams.
Let's do a quick
redo
of the Green Bay Packers.
There is a reason
we didn't say much about Devontae
Adams. He's our number two wide
receiver and there's just not a lot of debate about
him. He could be number one this year. Maybe
he falls all the way to number five.
He's going to get a ton of targets.
I don't have a lot to say about Jamal Williams.
He still might catch some passes. I think there's
a sneaky chance that he could be the number
two still, and A.J. Dillon could be
behind him.
I don't have anything at all
to say about Devin Funches.
Jamie, say something about Aaron Rodgers. I think't have anything at all to say about Devin Funches. Can Jamie say something about Aaron Rodgers?
I think the Packers told us
how they feel about Aaron Rodgers by drafting
Jordan Love.
He's probably got a
I don't know what his contract is, but
two years left, three years left of
playing at this level.
Hopefully it doesn't get any worse.
But
his touchdowns save him. of playing at this level. Hopefully, it doesn't get any worse.
His touchdowns save him.
He's still one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.
He's just not one of the best fantasy quarterbacks in the NFL.
Fair enough.
This is from Ernie.
Again, we screwed up on the projections here.
When you cover the NFC projections, particularly the Saints, and you don't
mention the best player in the entire division,
Michael Thomas. I have the
fourth pick in my upcoming draft and he's on my
radar. Where's the info? Come on,
man. Listen, Ernie.
We did
these podcasts, covered eight
teams per show
and went like 20 minutes too long
and we're getting yelled at by Adam the entire time that we're taking too
long to do the podcast.
So we don't talk about the obvious guys.
Michael Thomas is the best wide receiver in football.
If you're in a PPR draft,
I don't really think that fourth is too early to take him,
but he's right in that range between four and seven.
Okay. thank you.
Here's another question about Michael Thomas.
This is from no name on this.
Hey, Luther, Klaus, Diego, and five.
I don't know what this is.
The Umbrella Academy?
I don't know what that is.
That's not really a thing, is it?
I'm in a keeper league.
I have Nick Chubb and Alvin Kamara.
I have next year's second pick,
so it's between Michael Thomas and Saquon Barkley.
We start two running backs, three wide receivers,
and a flex with half-point PPR.
So he's already got Kamara and Chubb,
and he wants to know,
should he take Barkley or Michael Thomas?
What do you do?
I would take Barkley.
And then just hammer wide receiver.
Okay.
From Andy in Germany, who should I keep in my
standard scoring league? Darren Waller in the
10th round or Cooper Cup in the 5th round?
It's 12 teams?
Don't know.
I would assume so, I guess.
Cup is probably going to be a third round pick,
so you're getting two rounds there
and Waller in the 10th, you said?
Yeah, Cup in the 5th or Waller in the 10th.
Cup.
I'd probably keep Cup.
Rob S., dear Ripley, Dallas, Parker, and Lambert.
Adam?
No.
Hmm.
Dallas, Parker.
I don't know.
I have the first pick in a 12-team, two-quarterback PPR league,
and I'm going with Christian McCaffrey.
But after that, when would you draft your first quarterback?
It's a 12-team, two-quarterback PPR league.
I'd see who's there at the end of round two.
Who would have to be there?
Yeah, I think you'd take at least one at the 2-3 turn.
Well, who would have to be there for you to take him?
I mean, it definitely is not going to be Mahomes and Jackson.
It could be one of Murray, Watson, Wilson, and Dak.
I think that's an easy pick. If those guys fall, Wilson, and Dak.
I think that's an easy pick.
If those guys fall, they probably will not.
But then that's where the drop-off happens.
So it's who do you like at 7, 8, 9?
That's the group of Ryan, Wentz, Brady, Breeze.
So it's all a matter of what you want to do and how you think your
league's going to draft so i i would i would look at it the two three turn uh but i wouldn't reach
for somebody unless you think you know you're going to just miss out on some significant runs
that's the problem when you pick on the end is you're going to miss out on on the runs unless
you start it yeah i i'll amend it if if dac watson wilson and murray are all gone i would
wait till the four-5 turn.
By the way, Ripley,
Dallas, Parker, and Lambert is from Alien.
Alien. I thought that might have been.
The only one I know is Ripley is Sigourney Weaver, but I don't know the rest of the characters. I've got to watch
that movie again. I saw it once.
I remember nothing.
I've got to watch that one again.
This is from Matt. I'm a commissioner,
and I have begun trying to figure out what the best way to
navigate roster spots for this season is. Our league is from Matt. I'm a commissioner, and I have begun trying to figure out what the best way to navigate roster spots for this season is.
Our league is 14 teams.
Do you think this could be a good way to deal with rosters in a COVID world?
One quarterback, one running back, one wide receiver,
one tight end, and three flex,
with five bench spots and one to two IR spots.
There are a lot of leagues that are like that already,
that are moving toward just having flex spots
as opposed to multiple positions running back and wide receiver.
But I don't know if that necessarily solves your problem completely,
but the additional IR spots should.
So you're just limiting what your starters are to a certain extent.
Yeah, I'd make it six bench and two IR.
Okay.
I mean, it makes sense to have more flexes
and less requirements at running back and wide receiver.
I get that.
I think it's a good idea,
especially in a 14-team league.
This is Bob from the greatest baseball city on turf.
All right.
Miami?
Bob in the Bronx.
Beautiful.
Before there's too much urgent content, will you guys do
an IDP segment?
You decide that,
Adam. Isn't that up to you and me, Adam?
I guess we probably should.
Yeah. We always do it after
we do our IDP draft.
So,
yeah, we could do it.
We'll definitely cover IDP.
Thank you, Bob from the Bronx.
From Joe.
Hey, Tom, Jimmy, Jacoby, and Cam.
Oh, those are Patriots quarterbacks.
12-team PPR keeper question.
Eckler in the third round
or James Conner in the 13th?
Wow. Probably Conner in the 13th? Wow.
Probably Conner.
Yeah, I'd go Conner.
From No Name, dear Ron, Jay, Mike, and Jim.
Ron, Jay, Mike, and Jim.
Like four of the most generic names.
Let's see who that is.
Are those Anchorman characters?
No.
No, this is nobody.
This is absolutely nothing.
Yeah, it is.
So figure it out.
Okay.
The league that I'm in this year,
14-team redraft
is full PPR
with tight end premium,
but it's 1.2 points per reception
for tight end.
So it's not that big of a difference.
PBR for everybody except tight ends are 1.2.
And there's also an extra wide receiver tight end flex spot.
I have the 13th pick.
I was wondering if Kelsey plus Kittle is a good strategy.
Yes.
Kelsey should not be there. If he is, I'd take both of them all right or not just make it
1.5 like what's the point of 1.2 1.5 is pretty severe i think the kids say that 1.5 is too op
what is op
what am i missing here it's nothing bad it's just that's the thing that is said
really
yeah no I've got nothing that's right up there
with Jay Ron Mike and Jim
all right last questions Brenton
Englewood California I'm going to 12 team half PPR
four point per passing touchdown league.
Which do you feel would give you a better overall team?
Drafting a top two quarterback and a couple of late round tight ends
or drafting a top two tight end
and a couple of late round quarterbacks?
That's cool.
Ron, Jay, Mike, and Jim could be Washington head coaches?
Good.
Yeah, that's probably what it is.
Wait, who's...
Who am I missing here?
Who's Mike?
Shanahan?
Shanahan.
Oh, that's who I'm missing.
That's probably what it is.
Yeah.
Good call.
Damn it.
David Heath, very OP of you.
I'm going to Urban Dictionary right now.
So what would you rather have?
A top two quarterback and late round tight ends
or a top two tight end and late round quarterbacks?
It's two QB league, you said?
No, I don't think so.
Four point per passing touchdown league.
Probably the tight end.
Yeah.
OP.
Overpowered?
Yes.
Okay, cool.
Paladins have become way too overpowered.
It's a video game thing
when they bring out a new gun in Fortnite
and it's
too effective. They
complain about that.
I'm going to start
using it. I'm sorry. I got to get cooler.
I got to get cooler. I'm looking forward to you using it.
I'm just going to go over.
What did you say? I think
what is more likely is that you're going to start
using it and everyone else is just going to stop.
Well, if you're sick of it, then you're welcome.
I'm the guy who stops all the cool things.
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