Fantasy Football Today - Rankings Debates! CMC or Kyren Williams? JSN or Ladd McConkey? Plus More NFL Draft Reaction with Alfredo Brown of FootballGuys (05/01 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

We've got Alfredo Brown of Footballguys joining us today for an outsider's perspective on the NFL Draft and the biggest rankings movers. Alfredo gives his takes on the rookie values (4:00) from our recent mock draft. Find out why he's excited about Kaleb Johnson and where he's at on Travis Hunter. We've also got some news and notes (9:05) with an update on Marvin Harrison Jr. ... Alfredo gives his rankings risers (14:30) and fallers (27:30) after the NFL Draft. Garrett WIlson is on the rise, and of course some veteran quarterbacks are moving up as well. However, the Bears wide receivers are being downgraded. Could the Bears offense get so much better and make the target competition irrelevant? ... We finish the show with six rankings debates: Ladd McConkey vs. Jaxon Smith-Njigba (40:15); Rashee Rice vs. Xavier Worthy (45:30); Chris Godwin vs. Mike Evans (50:45); Christian McCaffrey vs. Kyren Williams (57:15); Jonathan Taylor vs. Bucky Irving (59:00); Alvin Kamara vs. Breece Hall (1:01:30) ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow FFT Express on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow our FFT team on Twitter:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @FFToday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @AdamAizer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @JameyEisenberg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @daverichard⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @heathcummingssr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join our Facebook group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sign up for the FFT newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠betting arena on CBSSports.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for all the latest ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sportsbook reviews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sportsbook To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is fantasy football today from CBS sports It's time to dominate your fantasy league Here's some combination of Adam Dave Jamie and he Welcome to the show fantasy football today today is May, May 1st. Training camp is like right around the corner. People, we welcome you. You've heard us talk about the NFL draft and the implications and the rankings and all that for a while now for a week. You're tired of it. I'm sick of Dave and Jamie. I know you must be also. So we're bringing in bringing in an outsider to get some fresh perspective.

We've got Alfredo Brown of Football Guys joining us. Welcome, Alfredo. Thanks for coming on, man. Yeah, thanks for having me on here. It's very welcoming when I hear that I'm here because everyone else is sick of the other people. So it's super exciting to jump in as the sixth man. So yeah.

Did you get a prank call during the draft? Or were you spared? No, no, I was one of the lucky few that didn't. Okay, good. Yeah, that's good. I would have thought Joey would have prank called you at some point. Oh, God. No, I just sent him right to voicemail. Comment in the chat from Zed. I am sick of Adam too. Yeah, yeah, I know. Everyone's sick. We're sick of all of us. So, so Alfredo's here real quick before we get into your rankings, risers and followers. I've got some rankings disputes. Here's the six that we're

going to get into. Lab, McConkey versus JSN, Rashid Rice versus Xavier Worthy, Chris Godwin versus Mike Evans, Christian McCaffrey versus Kyron Williams, Jonathan Taylor versus Bucky Irving, and Breece Hall versus Alvin Kamara. Obviously we'll talk about the NFL Draft and what Alfredo thinks,

but tell us about the Football Guys rookie guide. Yeah, Football Guys rookie guide. We've been working on this. This is going to be our third version that's getting released post draft with everything updated. We've added all the fantasy outlooks, team depth charts, everything from our original pre draft scouting reports are there. And we've been doing this since January. We are February.

We came out like right the day after the Super Bowl. So this was this is big for us. And it's been free this whole time. Now is going to be the first time that we're asking you to, you know, just put in a little bit of money for it. But we put in a lot of work for it. So over at football guys dot com slash rookie guide. How much money are we talking like 99 bucks?

Somewhere around there, probably closer to like nine bucks. Oh, OK. That's a good deal then. Feels better about it. Yeah, nice. Yeah. Thanks. That's what you do. You put it really high. And then when I finally give you the number, just feels a good deal then feels better about it. Yeah, nice. Yeah, thanks That's what you do you you put it really high and then when I finally give you the number just feels a lot better Yeah, you should sell cars that'll work out. Hmm nicely for everybody go plan B after this 899 I think you should do like this some guides for nine dollars and some for 899 and see if there's any difference I've always wondered if that really works that trick really works But we'll find out some other time.

All right, here's what I want to do real quick. I want to tell you where some of the rookies went in the draft that we did. I know Dave, you're sick of me. I get it. The draft that we did on Tuesday. It's been a long 20 years. Tell me what you think.

Ashton Gentey went ninth overall. He was RB five after Barclay was the third pick then Bijan was fourth Gibbs was sixth HN was eighth Gentie was ninth Gentie went ahead of Malik neighbors Pukinakua, Nico Collins this was a PPR league what do you think? That sounds about right in the running back rankings I think I might I was talking about this with my co-host the other day that I start to get worried that we overvalue these top rookie running backs a lot. Cause we just haven't seen any of them really perform to where we want them to.

And we do this a lot with rookies and I'm almost willing to step in that bear trap again cause Jin T feels a little bit different. Like there's just so much volume that's going to be there in that offense. So I think it's kind of wishy washy. Like I might take Puka over him, but then you've got Devonte Adams in there. So I'm kind of comfortable with where he's going in drafts right now. Okay. Then we had Travis Hunter. This was the controversial one. He went 34th overall. He was wide receiver 15 Travis Hunter. What do you think? He went just ahead of

Terry McLaurin, Rashi Rice and Garrett Wilson. Those were the next three picks. I like Travis Hunter a lot. I think he's going to get used a lot in the screen game and get a lot of easy targets. So we might see a Rashi Rice kind of profile for Travis Hunter. I don't know. I'm willing to take him at wide receiver 15, though. I'm probably going to have him somewhere around like wide receiver 20, 23 in that range. There's there's just too many good names at wide receiver this year for me to put Travis Hunter that high. Can Trevor Lawrence support two wide receivers? Maybe with Evan Ingram gone, but

yeah, I'm not in love with that ADP. Guys, I thought about it yesterday after the show and I am putting it down right now on this on our podcast, some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie Heath. I am the Travis Hunter guy. I will be taking him in all of our drafts until everybody catches on and everybody starts taking him ahead of where I'm willing to take him. Like what happened with neighbors last year.

I probably should have just taken him anyway. But right now I'm telling you, you guys are way too low on Travis Hunter. I am the Travis Hunter guy and you will not be getting him in any of our mocks. Where are you willing to take him? Yeah. A little bit later than this, like the three, four,

I would have taken Terry McLaurin ahead of him. Actually, I think I'm pretty much fine with him at like the three, four turn. McLaurin is the only one that I easily would take ahead of Travis Hunter. Rashid Rice, we'll talk about later. If he's healthy, you know, then that changes things, but we won't really know how healthy he is

because everybody's lying all the time about that. But yeah, I think this is a good spot. I think three, four turn is good for Hunter in a 12 team league. Where are you taking Trevor Lawrence? Yeah, as a probably my backup quarterback, but you know, QB, top 15 ish kind of guy. There's so many, there's so many good quarterbacks. All right. And then we had, I'll just end it with this, the running back run.

We had Omarion Hampton late round four, and then it was RJ Harvey, Trevion Henderson kind of late round five, and then Caleb Johnson, Quinshawn Judkins in mid to late round six. So a two round gap between Hampton and Judkins. And in the middle you have Harvey Henderson, Caleb Johnson, your thoughts on those five rookie running backs.

They all seem about right. I'm starting to feel like I'm one of the only people that's really excited about Caleb Johnson on the Steelers just because of the perceived volume he could still get. Maybe I'm wrong. That's my circle. The football guys, people are not as excited. It seems about right, but it also seems like there's a lot of rookie fever in the air.

And some of these guys might start dropping a little bit more like 10 or 12 spots by the time we get around to draft season. But the order sounds about right. I almost miss work today with rookie fever, actually. So it's going around. Come on, guys, give me something. David and Jamie. And you guys want to risk Jamie, what do you think about Caleb Johnson and the volume that Alfredo is excited for? I mean, it's certainly possible. We know we've talked about this since he was drafted, you know, is he going to just step into Najee Harris's role and get the 260 some odd carries that he got.

I would probably put it closer to around 200, 215 just because I think Jaylen Warren will get a little bit more work than what we saw last year by comparison to 2023. But yeah, he's in a very positive situation. The fact that this dealer has had such little draft capital and they decided to go get him with their third round pick, I think it's pretty telling that they wanted to get a bell cow of his caliber and he fits that role. So, to Alfredo's point about putting too much expectations on rookies, to ask him to be a 250 plus carry guy in his rookie campaign, Arthur Smith was hesitant with B. John Robinson, you know, so is he going to do this with Caleb Johnson? I'm a little bit concerned, but I think this range,

you know, it's he belongs in this range for sure. All right, cool. So we'll get some rankings risers and followers from Alfredo post NFL draft. Real quick news and notes. Buffalo signed wide receiver Elijah Moore to a one-year five million dollar deal. Davis's have any effect on Khalil Shakir or anyone else in that passing game? I doubt it. I think he's probably there to be just a short area target type guy for them. They've got another one of them. Now. I don't see myself drafting Elijah Moore.

The Falcons exercise Drake London's fifth year option for 2026. Jets quarterback Jordan Travis is unfortunately retiring due to a leg injury that he hasn't been able to fully recover from. He suffered that in college. And then FSU got totally hosed and left out of the playoff a couple of years ago. But sad to see Jordan Travis unfortunately

won't be able to resume his football career. And then Dave, you sent me an article about Marvin Harrison Jr. and what they're saying about him. So give us the scoop there. Jonathon Gannon mentioned that Harrison gave Gannon a list of things he needed to improve on, not the other way around. Usually when the season ends, the coaches tell the players, okay, here are the two or three things that you need to really work on. Harrison gave it to Gannon. And there's footage now, or at least pictures of Marvin Harrison. He's bulked up a little bit. And Gannon's very excited about this. And look, usually when you hear about a player getting stronger, adding

muscle, that doesn't mean he's going to get faster. Maybe he'll play a little bit more free because he's not thinking as much. But if, if they're bulking him up, that makes me think that they're going to lower that A-dot, and he's going to have a bunch of opportunities that are not 12 yards downfield, but are now like 8 or 9 yards downfield and give him contested catch opportunities. He can win those. He's got really good size as it is. Now if he's adding muscle, that's good too. Volume is the name of the game. Last year, he averaged 6.8 targets per game. That number's got to look closer to 7.5 this year, if Marvin's going to take a leap. But Gannon thinks that he's going to take a leap. Sounds like Gannon's his biggest cheerleader right now. We'll see what happens. But it's mildly encouraging from Marvin Harrison.

He definitely was very glowing about him at donors' meetings. And, you know, I think, and again, going back to what Alfredo said about rookies, you know, think about where we were with Marvin Harrison, uh, and draft season last year, you know, taking him in the second round in a lot of cases as a, you know, top 10 wide receiver, I don't know where you guys came out on it, Alfredo with football guys, but I know we were probably too high on him clearly based on the performance, but, um, you know, when I asked Gannon about it, you know, was he disappointed in his rookie season? You know, we've talked about this a little bit, you know, he said no and I think that's just kind of

more putting what a rookie typically does in perspective and seeing, you know, the positives and trying to build off that and, you know, to Dave's, you know, point about what he was saying, like they they don't think he was a failure. We have him as a failure because of where the expectations were, you know, and I think that's kind of, you know, thinking about Travis Hunter and then maybe Malik Neighbors, just how these two guys, one performed, maybe outperformed his expectations in terms of neighbors. Can Travis Hunter do that?

Can Ashton Genti do that with the expectations we're putting on him as fantasy managers and fantasy analysts? I think just in the case of Harrison, I'll also go back to something Zach Taylor once told me, which was the year two for all players, specifically he was talking about Jamar Chase, but all players, the whirlwind of prepping for the draft. Now this really didn't happen to Harrison, but the combine

training these guys go to, which is no football stuff whatsoever. It's just learning how to get faster and jump higher, all those things. Then they get drafted, then they got to find a place to live, then they got to go straight into you know mini camps and rookie camps and all these things. And there's no break for them at all. And then they start to actually do football training and going into year two, which seems like what Harrison is probably doing right now. I would expect him to be better based on the prospect that he was and we may under draft him now, which would be awesome if you're going to get the type of player that we were hoping for last year.

Alfredo, are you going with Travis Hunter or Marvin Harrison Jr.? Oh, that's a fun one. Um, Marvin Harrison Jr. I think because of the reason that Jamie just said there at the end is I think that people are going to be undervaluing Harrison based on the perceived failure of the rookie season. Whereas I think a lot of people are going to be a little more excited to get Travis Hunter because of the mythos that has been created, the lore of Travis Hunter, that he plays both ways. He's such a cool prospect. And I think as much as I love Hunter, we might be overvaluing him for fantasy for something that's not going to get him any points. So Harrison probably for me will end up being the better

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Alcohol in select markets. See after details. All right, Alfredo. So whether it was a rookie or a veteran, when you came out with your post NFL draft rankings, what are some things that really stood out to you? Well, we had some of the obvious winners, which a lot of these running backs like the Chase Browns and the Deandre Swift that we thought they'd get replaced or get someone in there and then they didn't. But one of the guys for me that stood out

because I haven't ranked him as high as I normally have or as much as everyone else in previous years, but this year I'm a little bit more in on Garrett Wilson who I've got around that wide receiver 15 to 17 range for me. At first I was kind of rolling my eyes at great, here we go, Justin Fields running an offense again. And now I'm just starting to look at, well, outside of Mason Taylor, they don't really have another pass catcher on the team. You can include the running backs in that, but now they're talking about that even being some sort of three headed backfield. We don't know if Breeze Hall is actually going to stay there. I would assume he does, but Garrett Wilson seems like the only surefire piece in this

offense that's just going to get peppered with targets. And so you start to think of how good DJ Moore was for fantasy with Justin Fields when he was starting back in 2013. Yeah, I mean, the ceiling's there for Garrett Wilson to be a guy. It's like a top 10 wide receiver. I'm not drafting him there, but I think you can, I'm going to have him rank some around wide receiver 15, 16. Based on how upset people are about last year, you could probably draft them around wide receiver 17 or 18. You're going to get a great value with him. It's almost exactly how it played out. I had him as wide receiver, Funter was 15, 16, 17, 18.

And I took him at the turn, the three, four turn. So thrilled with that. I totally agree. Yeah. So here's my issue, right? He's a tough one. The only time in his three year career in which Garrett Wilson has performed

like a top 15 wide receiver, or even a top 18 wide receiver was the first six games of the 2024 season with Aaron Rodgers when Aaron Rodgers was averaging 36 pass attempts per game. And in those games, Garrett Wilson was the number 13 wide receiver per game on pace for 190 targets. So really not even good.

I mean, you get 190 targets and you turn that into wide receiver 13. That's not that impressive. In his career, the first two years, he was wide receiver 31 per game and wide receiver 33 per game. Last year, Garrett Wilson ended up as wide receiver 19 per game, but a big difference between

before Adams and with Adams. So I just, what is different for Garrett Wilson this year? You know, he's not getting a quarterback upgrade. It's gonna be kind of similar to what he had the first two seasons. He hasn't shown an ability to make big plays. And that is, and I feel like he has that ability, but he just, I don't know. He just hasn't shown an ability to make big plays. And that is, and I feel like he has that ability, but he just, I don't know.

He just hasn't shown it really. And that is what DJ Moore did that year with Justin Fields when DJ Moore was unbelievable. He made a bunch of big plays. He scored some long touchdowns. Garrett Wilson hasn't done that in his career. So it's like, I want to believe in Garrett Wilson. We expect the breakout,

but he's already been in this situation for pretty much his entire career. And he hasn't, he hasn't done anything to justify being a top 20 wide receiver. Um, Jay Alfredo. Yeah, I'd say the way you're talking about Garrett Wilson is probably the way a lot of us were talking about DJ Moore two years ago as well, is that he hadn't really done anything with all these targets that he kept getting. And, um, hearing the Aaron Rogers thing, like I'm also getting all the nightmares of last year of how inefficient that offense was and how Rogers and Wilson really just weren't on the same page. So it's

like, if you get a lot of targets, but they're bad targets, or they're just off, there's something off between them. It's not quite as valuable. I'm not suggesting that Justin Fields is going to come in here and be hyper efficient quarterback, but I do have to think that if Fields is going to be their option here, the offense itself might be, I don't want to say dumbed down, but it might be a little more simplified where it's, okay, we're going to run the ball and siphon targets to Garrett Wilson in the easiest way possible. Last year just seemed like a lot of backyard football with Darren Rogers trying to see

how can I get the best play out of this when that's not really what was scripted. I think Justin Fields probably sticks to the script a little more. I was just going to think just from the standpoint of, you know, we're hoping clearly and it's an easier correlation. The Lions offense just moves to Chicago, right? Because Ben Johnson's going there and everything that he does. Well, they're bringing in one of the Lions coaches to New York and to run this offense. And hopefully there's going to be some better play calling. I think that was a lot of the problem last year was like, the system was awful

for the Jets. Now granted, again, Wilson's getting opportunities to your point, Adam, and he wasn't dealing with it. But I think, you know, just to kind of piggyback on what Alfredo said, like we're not drafting him. You don't have to draft him even as wide receiver 15. You know, I think his ADP will probably settle between 15 and 20. It's still tremendous upside if he hits. And so he's still going to get, I don't know, 190, but I would think around 150. Oh man, I have to disagree because so I'll just give you two numbers. DJ Moore in just the games he played with, forget the Bajan games, just the DJ Moore Justin Fields games. He was on pace for 140 targets.

But they had better options in that passing game than the Jets did. Well the Steelers sure didn't and George Pickens was on pace for 125 targets. Yeah, but they handcuffed Justin Fields so much last year. I don't think the Jets did the same. I mean, they went out and they paid him. Like the Steelers got him for nothing. And it was basically like, you're holding the spot until Russell's healthy. Their plan might be to not handcuff him. But if he loses games for them, and remember, he's got a losing record as a starter, and it's like significant. And if he starts losing games early on, I don't know if they're really gonna turn to the bench

and put to Rod Taylor and I believe he's their backup. Yeah, he is. And I like that. So I don't know if they're gonna do that or if they're just gonna try and simplify things and just become like the most conservative, boring offense in the league. And that would obviously hurt Garrett Wilson.

I've got him closer to 20th than I do to 15th. He's still a number two wide receiver. It's based solely on that target volume though. That's it. Tell me if you agree with this. Garrett Wilson went, like I said, he was in that Travis Hunter three, four turn range. In fact, he went at the turn first pick of round four. Garrett Wilson is not that much better, to agree or disagree, he's not that much better on draft day right now than Chris Olave or DK Metcalf and they went two rounds after him. You think? No, I think he's better. I think he's got a chance to see more targets. And listen, I said all he's got is target volume. It's not true. He's also a very talented wide receiver. It's just a rough quarterback situation. Olavi has a rough

quarterback situation and he doesn't have the same type of target track record that Garrett Wilson's had. Garrett Wilson's averaged over nine targets per game each of the last two years. I'd be a little surprised if he gets that high again this year. I think eight is a closer number for him. But Olavi, I think he might've had like two games with seven or more last year. They didn't play that many, but okay. Um, if Derek Carr is fully healthy for week one and gonna play, which I, I don't know if that's going to happen. Would you take Garrett Wilson or a lobby? And I, okay, you're all going to take Garrett Wilson.

How big of a gap will there be at least two rounds? Yeah, I was going to say like a five or six player gap and wide receiver, that's about two rounds. Yeah, I've got them 20 spots apart in my rankings right now. But there's gotta be, some of that has to be the car uncertainty, right?

Sure, that's fair. That's part of it. I think you also bake in a little bit of the Alave concussions over and over and over. Yeah. Even with, even with Carr, there was just no connection. Like they were, they were missing all the time. Carr was better with Shahid, to be honest. That is true. Okay. You got another riser you want to talk about?

Yeah, this one's kind of a cheat. It's, it's going to be these quarterbacks that we were either hoping they take the next step or worried they were going to fall back. And it's, it's guys like Baker Mayfield, Caleb Williams, Drake May, Trevor Lawrence, these guys, it's, it's more along the lines of they all got a good ecosystem around them. And the more I start to look at these teams and I go, okay, well, who am I getting from the bucks or who do I draft from the Jaguars? Who do I take from the Patriots? And I'm just like, you know what? I'm just going to see which one of these quarterbacks falls latest in my drafts

because it feels like late round quarterback is still very much a thing at this point. Um, it was last year and it feels like it's going to be that this year. And like Drake may, you could probably get them around like quarterback 16 or 17 and one of your very, very late picks in your draft. And last year he was giving us starter production because of his rushing ability. Now you add in Trevion Henderson, who can give them explosive plays.

Don't really know how recovered Stefan Diggs is gonna be or how into the offense Kyle Williams is going to be. But the added protection in the offensive line, he's just one of the examples. I think Caleb Williams is probably the guy that, Caleb Williams and Baker Mayfield are the two guys that rose the most for me out Of this because the teams are just all in on helping those guys

You think a buka plays a significant role this year? I Think he might have to and I think he's probably going to be in the slot Which I think is going to hurt Chris Godwin quite a bit and push him outside but yeah, I think that a bukauka, who, I mean, that's mostly what he did in college is play a lot of slot and it there. I'm not going to say that they're trying to revamp the offense, but when you lose your offensive coordinator and now you have another guy in who's being praised so highly as an offensive genius, he's kind of has to come in and outdo what the last guy did to look successful. So I wouldn't be surprised. This becomes a very

pass heavy offense. He maybe overthinks things and I book becomes a guy that's heavily using that offense. Okay. You guys have any comments or shall we move on? I think we're all kind of in on those quarterbacks. Except Baker Mayfield is kind of interesting. The other guys are going to be late round picks Baker might be QB what seven off the board, something like that. Alfredo, where do you do you know where you have him? Let me check. I think I had him around quarterback eight for me. But prior to the draft, I had him closer to like nine or 10. Yeah, I think I moved Bo Nicks down a little bit because of the ad of RJ Harvey, who I think think is gonna take some of those goal line rush attempts away from Bo Nix because he was running a lot

near the end zone. So yeah, Baker I think is gonna be one of these guys that I'm gonna have a little higher. I've got him at quarterback eight right now just behind just behind Caleb Williams. Okay he was QB three per game last year Baker Mayfield in six point and QB four per game and four point but would have been QB five per game if Jalen Hurts didn't leave that one game with a concussion, blah, blah, blah. All right. Any other you want to give me one more riser and we'll go to some followers. Uh, yeah, sure. This one we kind of already talked about him earlier in the show, but

Khalil Shakir, um, I think is just the fun one. He was everyone's dirty little secret last year and then he kind of ended up being a really safe and easy wide receiver three. And I think that now he just gets to stay in that range and a wide receiver three range. And you can probably draft them at a discount because most of the people in your fantasy league probably still don't know who Khalil Shakir is. And they're just distracted about James Cook right now. And Khalil Shakir kind of remains the top wide receiver there in Buffalo. I know that they just signed Elijah Moore, but I think that's more of a worry

for a guy like Curtis Samuel. Keon Coleman still has some developing to do. Dalton Kincaid hasn't quite come along. So yeah, Khalil Shakir, they didn't draft the wide receiver until the seventh round. So they seem to be very dedicated. I don't know if you guys heard, by the way, the Brandon Bean meltdown on

the radio where he was cursing out Bills fans. Yeah. Just like what do you guys want? You want another receiver and we scored all these points last year, we need defense. It's, it's really funny. But yeah, they seem to be all in on Kosh here. I think the Bills fans have a point though they can use. I just feel like they're playing a close competitive game with the Chiefs in the playoffs or something.

Who do they go to? You know, who's the guy, who's the Stefan Diggs that's gonna drop the beautifully thrown ball by Josh Allen? But no, I mean, I think they do need a number one, but they don't have it. So Shakir, who had, basically scored double digit PPR fantasy points every single time he lined up.

I mean, and there were a couple of games he left with an injury, but for the most part, double digits just about every single week for Khalil Shakir. All right, let's get to some rankings fallers for you, Alfredo, who headlines your rankings fallers list? Yeah, this is sort of a sliding door situation where if Caleb Williams was rising for me because

there's so many passing pass catchers, excuse me, in that offense for him, the bears wide receivers sort of take a little bit of a dip with Colston Loveland there, Luther Burden there, the, the excitement from Ben Johnson about adding Luther Burden to me was just as great as a person who really likes Luther Burden skill set. I'm curious to see there's been much to be made about who the slot is in a Ben Johnson offense. And that goes all the way back to his days in Miami with Jarvis Landry, even Danny Amendola being productive for fantasy. So I'm curious to see what happens there. I don't think it's a death sentence for DJ Moore, but I think it probably dings Roma Dunze a little bit more than we'd like to see him going into his second year.

Roma Dunze a little bit more than we'd like to see him going into his second year. So the Bears wide receiver wide receivers as a whole. I mean, Colk comments, obviously another one as well. But yeah, that that offense, it's going to be good for Caleb. It's going to be messy for the pass catchers. So I want to see one thing real quick and look it up. The Bears ranked 27th in gross passing yards per game, 201 passing yards per game, not including sacks. And obviously,

there were a lot of those. And that's another thing, right? There's just a lot of drop backs that didn't even become passing yards because Caleb Williams was was dropping back was getting sacks so much. So how do we balance? Yeah, they've got more competition now with Loveland and Burden, but no Kenan Allen, right? With, there's potential for so much more passing production in this offense now, and maybe it won't hurt

Roma Dunze and DJ Moore. Maybe there'll just, will be enough to go around, Alfredo, because they could just be so much better offensively. Obviously they brought in all the offensive linemen as well. Yeah, I mean, if there's a guy I trust, it's Ben Johnson. We've seen him do it where we were wondering, could Jameson Williams get work and Sam Laporta?

And there's always kind of someone that doesn't get work and it rotates each game to see who it is. But I think what these pieces tell me and the offensive line and everything for the development of Caleb Williams is they wanna get the ball out of his hands faster. They don't want him to be sitting there so long doing this over and over and over.

You go and get a Colston Loveland Luther Burden. It's not to stretch the field and open things up. It's to get the ball in their hands quickly. And that's the big thing about Luther Burden. They said they had a high first round grade on him. He's great after the catch. So it would not surprise me if that's what we end up seeing is get mismatches with Colston Loveland against linebackers and line him up all after the catch. So it would not surprise me if that's what we end up seeing is get mismatches with Colston

Loveland against linebackers and line him up all over the offense and then lose their burden just getting the ball out in space. It's not like the Lions use Sam Laporta as a downfield threat his rookie year. They kind of just got him established as rookie year as a dot was pretty low. It went up the second season. But I think that that's where Loveland starts. I do think Loveland can challenge John Field, because those matchups that you're talking about, Alfredo, they'll be even more appealing when he's running 10 plus yards down the way. And so I think eventually that'll be incorporated into what he does. Same thing for Birden.

They'll take shots with those guys. But they're going to be short-error targets. I agree 100%. Everything is being done so that Caleb gets that ball out quick. His completion rate will go up, his efficiency will go up, and it makes him an appealing fantasy quarterback. That's why he's worth taking as one of the first 10 quarterbacks off the board. Jamie, Roma-Dunze went with the first pick of round seven, just ahead of Jordan Addison and Debo Samuel.

DJ Moore went with the third pick of round five. Which value do you like better? DJ Moore third pick of round five or Roma Dunze first pick of round seven? Yeah, DJ Moore by a lot. Dunze scares me to Alfredo's point much more than Moore does because we were hoping that he would see a target boost and be able to sort of build off

what we thought was going to be a high-end prospect. I hope he still is, but this feels more like the field stretcher who's not going to get a lot of opportunities will make some big plays and hopefully do something that Jameson Williams did. Again, if you're tying the offense together to what Chicago is getting from Detroit offense going to Chicago. We were talking pre-draft, who's going to be the slot receiver for Chicago.

You know, was it going to be maybe Romo Dunze just to get a big slot option for Caleb Williams and what Ben Johnson wants to do. So there's, there's still a lot of moving parts here. You know, um, you know, burden as a rookie coming in, will he, you know, pick up the offense right away and, you know, be, be that type of go-to guy. Certainly could. I hope it's, you know, DJ Moore just based on what his, you know, pick up the offense right away and, you know, be be that type of go to guy certainly could. I hope it's, you know, DJ Moore just based on what his, you know, last couple of years have been, you know, like we were talking about earlier, finally breaking out in 2023 and, you know, having still a solid 2024, maybe not as good as it was, but still productive. So,

um, I want to see how this all comes together. But to me, Odunze going that early is a little bit too soon. I like the other receivers that we're after. All right, Alfredo, rise or fall, or rankings fall or number two? Yeah, I'm gonna go with a pair of guys, each on different teams, but they fall in the same bucket for me, and it's these veteran receivers, Jacoby Myers and Michael Pittman.

And while I think skillset wise, they're very different, they both have had a young pass catcher come in who are going to be set up to get easier targets from their quarterback. And Michael Pittman has had almost every opportunity to get a bunch of volume. And then he gets kind of outworked by Josh Downs. And then now you bring in Tyler Warren, who they spent a high draft pick on, they're going to want to get him targets close to the line of scrimmage and funnel the ball to him to get him running after the catch. Then same thing.

I love Jacobi Myers. He's like my favorite wide receiver for the draft every single year. Cause he's so cheap and so reliable. But now my baby boy, Jack Bess goes to the Raiders and I love Jack Bess pre-draft and he gets in such an, I don't want to say wide open spot, but I mean, there's not many rookies that are just walking directly into a wide receiver to spot on a team where he could, I hate to put this expectation on him, but we could see a lad McConkey ask season from him if

Gino Smith actually plays well because target volume is there now with, uh, with Brock Bowers being there, that's a different story, but we don't know what this offense is necessarily going to look like, but the, the two veteran receivers, Jacoby Myers, Michael Pittman, it's not sexy names to say, and you were probably not drafting them till way later in rounds, but they're almost off my boards at this point because I don't, they're going to have to go really, really late in drafts for them to be a value for me. So I think we already know kind of what the Raiders are going to do and what changes they have made based on what they did with their very first pick.

Yeah, they're going to run the ball for sure. And that's going to hurt the target opportunities for everybody. And that makes me, you know, a little bit nervous about Brock Bowers, a little bit more nervous about Myers, but probably the most nervous about Besh getting the opportunity to make a big impact in his rookie season because he's got to share what will probably be fewer targets that the Raiders had last year. Raiders were dead last in explosive rush rate from their running backs last season. They've addressed that with Chanty. You know he's going to move that number way up. And I just cannot but feel like they're going to become a team that is like the Seahawks were right before Russell Wilson

turned to mud there. And that was a team that would throw the ball 55% of the time run the ball the rest They were effective doing so I think the Raiders are gonna fall into that and that's gonna hurt the target upside for those guys Alfredo, are you McBride or Bowers is tight end one? Oh man I'm gonna sound foolish when I say it, but probably McBride Just because of the reasons that Dave listed there. I was, I said it the other day on my show that I'm actually nervous about Brock Bowers and I was laughed at it. I was like, how are you nervous about Brock Bowers? He's so good. And it's, it's about what this Raiders offense could be. Like they very obviously have a commitment to running the football and getting the ball into some other people's hands as well.

So yeah, Trey McBride, we've seen him already succeed on a team that's filled with offensive playmakers around him. He's that, that's the guy that I just, I love him after the catch. I think he's still going to keep getting those targets. So Trey McBride for me, Titan one. You know what? Me too. Oh, you, you also Jamie.

Oh, nice. Yeah. Me too. And PPR. Really? Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. How can I say what I just said? And then at Brock Bowers,

number one, I thought you did. I mean, I I've been trying to make this case for like three weeks when I felt like they were going to take Gentie as a fourth most pass attempts in football. As you know, I didn't know they were going to take Besh. Maybe that's what ended up flipping it for you. But I, for me, it's also, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's not just that it's like, I look at all these, a few tight ends who have had unbelievable rookie seasons, including Kyle Pitts.

I know he didn't score the touchdown, but he set the rookie record at the time. Jeremy Schocke, his best season was his rookie season. Sam Laporta, they all took a step back in year two. And I totally believe in Bowers, but McBride has actually done it for two straight years. Once Zach Ertz, what was he, got hurt two years ago. McBride was amazing. it for two straight years once Zach Ertz What was he got hurt two years ago? McBride was amazing and then he just picked it up and they didn't add to anyone

So I'm super comfortable with McBride as I think the you know, we talked about this a few weeks ago I think if you say right now the touchdowns are equal which is hard to say for McBride because that's the thing that's been Clearly escaping him. Yeah He should be better Yeah Yeah, and now on the other hand just make the same case I made for the Bears pass catchers Now while the Raiders did throw the ball the fourth most attempts in the NFL They were like fourth lowest in points per game fifth lowest in points per game

So you could just see them have a much better offense and more touchdowns and that could help Bowers. Not that we're super worried about Bowers, just arguing about number one. No, it's nitpicking when you're talking about the two guys at the top, because they're both elite level producers and who just maybe has a slight edge.

And I think we're all in agreement that maybe McBride right now has a slight edge, but I'm with Alfredo. I like Besh a lot. I think the landing spot was fantastic I think he's gonna make a lot of plays there Target volume will certainly be an issue for him But you know, it's not like anybody's asking or expecting to draft this guy, you know, even the first 100 picks You know, so when you're talking about late round options, like he's he's got such a huge upside

I just took him in in 209 of Analyst dynasty league. Very happy about that. You know, so that's the range for, I think, rookie drafts, you know, back end. That's a rookie mock. You got him at 209. Rookie, yeah.

That's pretty good. I just got the same thing yesterday, Jamie, 209 Jack. That's like his spot now. Yep. Your best. It should be going a little higher than that. All right. One more rankings fall or from Alfred be. Should be going a little higher than that. All right.

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Yeah, I saved all the sexy names for the end. Now that you guys are 30 minutes deep into the show, it's too late. You can't leave. Yeah, we only our listeners average about five minutes and then they're just, okay, good. So just, just my mom watching. Awesome. So Rico Dowdle and Jerome Ford, not that everyone's getting too excited about them anyways, but now they're in these just convoluted backfields where even if you did have a semblance of like, okay, well Jerome Ford can still be something. You got Quincheon Judkins there and then they go and draft Dylan Sampson over there in Cleveland. And then with Rico Dowdle, Panthers draft another running back. I'm trying to remember, I don't know off the top of my head. Oh my gosh, guys. Trevor Etienne. Thank you. Who is,

is almost nearly a passing down specialist at that point. He's actually a good pass blocker, good receiver. So it's just, you start to wonder where do these guys fit into roles and they're, these are names that were big last year, where someone just walking into their draft is gonna be like, I remember Rico Daddell and Jerome Ford, those guys were really solid RB twos for me all season. And now I don't even know that you can look at them as RB three or you're probably looking at them as like RB four value just sheer handcuffs and hoping that you know, they get an opportunity down the line. But yeah, they're massive followers for me. All right, it is time for some rankings debates, six rankings debates, three receivers, three running

back debates. Let's get to it. So these two guys went 24th and 25th in our Tuesday draft, Lad McConkey and Jackson Smith and Jigba. So it was the same manager taking both of them and he started with Jamar Chase. So those are his three receivers, Chase, McConkey, Smith and Jigba. I think McConkey went before Smith and Jigba for what it's worth, but you know what?

I'm gonna let Alfredo go last, at least on this one. And I'm gonna make Jamie go first. Who do you like better, Lad McConkie or JSN? They're back to back in my rankings with JSN one spot ahead. Just like the setup for both these guys clearly. I think when you look at it I'm a little bit more concerned about what Trey Harris could be for the Chargers plus the run game I think upgrade for the Chargers comparatively to even though Cooper

Cubs resume is better than both these guys especially better than what the other guys are in Los Angeles I don't know how long he he's gonna play. He's had a hard time staying healthy. He's 32 years old, right? 33. At this point, he's a good addition for what Seattle wants to try and get out of him, but I don't know again how much he'll be able to be a productive guy. I think JSN is going to dominate targets for that team. Very excited about the upside,

especially what we saw in the games that Metcalf missed last year. No more Tyler Lockett as well. I know they bring in MVS, but again, just a guy at this point who's going to stretch the field at times. I don't think what he did in New Orleans last year is any indication of who he is because he had some more productive games. To me, Jason is just a slightly better spot. But again, you tell me I can only take McConkey and I can't get Jason. I'm thrilled with that. So they're 12 and 13 in my rankings right now. Dave? They're back to back for me. I've got McConkie one spot ahead of Jackson Smith and Jigba. I am not really worried about Trey Harris going to the Chargers. I remember watching Trey Harris, and I felt like he was a little limited in terms of

like, routes run, physicality. He's had all sorts of injuries that have held him back a little bit. No question he's fast, but he's not a burner. And he's good at tracking the football. He's a good one-cut route runner. And I think Alad McConkie has just earned the role as being the best receiver in LA.

And I don't think that's changing. Both these receivers have a run game to worry about, by the way. Both of them have, run game to worry about, by the way. Both of them have, both of them are on teams where they've got two running backs that can supplement whatever their passing games do. And we could argue that the Chargers are gonna be a little bit more run-heavy

or that they wanna be a little bit more run-heavy. But I think if Kenneth Walker is right and Zach Charbonneau looked like the better running back last year, they could both be on run-heavy teams. So I'm going to lean toward who's got the better quarterback. That's McConkie. I like that McConkie last year averaged more PPR points per game than Jackson Smith and Jigba, and JSN averaged more targets per game. And if it comes to pass that JSN is truly playing solo, where Cooper Cup is a non-factor. Elijah Arroyo is a non-factor. All these fast receivers that they've added, they're non-factors. It's going to be JSN

in a landslide, at least in full PPR, because he's going to see more targets. But short of that, I think Lad McConkie has done enough and will get enough work to be effective for the Chargers. Trey Lockerbie All right, Alfredo, break the tie. Lad McConkie or JSN? Alfredo Sarris I'm Lad McConkey or JSN. I'm gonna sound a lot like my wife when someone asks her who she's rooting for and I just hope everyone has a good time and no one gets hurt. Cause like I'm the same thing. I've got these guys back to back.

I think the only thing is I have Lad McConkey one spot higher because he's got a rapport with his quarterback and JSN is going into now an offense with new coordinator, new quarterback. And that quarterback is Sam Darnold, who we've really only seen one good year from him. And that was in a Kevin O'Connell offense with the best wide receiver in the league, arguably. So I, it's not a huge disparity between them because I had the same questions that Jamie had about Lad McConkey in college. He wasn't always healthy last year. It took a little bit for things

to get going. I'm just like Dave said, I'm not worried about Trey Harris. Um, it's just they had Trey Harris at home already with Quinton Johnson. So I'm not like, I'm not worried about that. Uh, I see these guys as very, very equal. I think it's could end up being more like that JSN falls into more targets if Cooper Cup can't finish a season. But I also think it's more likely that lad McConkey gets hurt and doesn't finish the season himself. So I just the edge for me was that quarterback. And it's fair. I think this is a really tough call, obviously,

with you guys having them back to back Dave and Jamie. So I'm just gonna say this. I don't know, you know, I'm if I drafted 10 times, I might take JSN five times and McConkie five times. It's that close. But one thing I definitely would not do is draft both of them. I think they're both a little bit risky in terms of target volume.

I do think JSN is risky in terms of quarterback play. And I think the running backs who are on the board were just way too good to be taken both of those receivers when you've got Chase Brown, Joe Mixon, James Cook on the board. I think I would even take Tyreek Hill over these guys. Now I could see certainly an argument against that. T Higgins went after these guys.

I think there are safer receivers and receivers with more upside. Then I would take one of them, sure, but I would not go with both of them. I think that's a little bit too risky for me. All right, let's go to Rashi Rice versus Xavier Worthy and we'll go, we'll snake it. You can go first this time, Alfredo Rashi, right? Rice versus Xavier Worthy. Rice did go ahead of Worthy. He went 36th overall. Xavier Worthy went, I think 45th overall in this draft. Who do you

like better? I'm going to go with Rashi Rice and it it's just, he was the lead target earner on that team prior to going down with the injury. And I think there's still a lot of concern about whether he'll be suspended or not. And honestly, I think those get overblown every single year when it comes to rankings, when a guy misses two weeks, three weeks, four weeks,

it's about what he's going to do when he's in your lineup. And I think that once Rashi Rice is in your lineup, let's say it's week five, nobody's going to care about where they drafted him or the suspension anymore, because he's going to be getting you, you know, top 12 wide receiver production each week, especially with the decline of Travis Kelsey. So Rasheer Rice for me. Jamie. Oh, Dave, Dave, my bad. I messed up the draft order. Go ahead, Dave. I've got Rice ahead of Worthy. And it's tough to say because the way that Xavier worthy finished last year, his last six games, including the playoffs, he was unreal. It was 21.6 PPR points per game, 8.7 targets per game. Do you really think he's going to average 8.7 targets per game

with Rashid rice back and with everybody healthy at least to start the year in Kansas City? That's the number that I get tripped up on when it comes to Xavier Worthy. Also, he went 45th overall in our draft. I'd love Worthy if I could get him a little bit later. Put him around 50, 55. I'd, I'd rather take a chance on that value than Rashid Rice in late round 3. But I don't know if I'm gonna end up getting them there. They're gonna be popular picks because of what Rice did last year. And of course, it's assuming that Rasheer Rice is A, healthy, which Patrick Mahomes is making it sound like he is, and B, not suspended. And as long as those two things are happening, I don't see what's going to slow down Rashid Rice from coming back and having the opportunity to get that type of target share that Xavier Worthy had at the end of the year, to get around 8½ targets per game,

especially if Worthy is forcing the safeties to play back every single play against Kansas City, because teams don't want to get burned by Patrick Mahomes throwing it deep to Xavier Worthy. Patrick Mahomes throwing it deep to Xavier Worthy. Jamie. I like both of them. I would, I would take Rice first. I don't mind the value of where he went in this draft. I think around four is perfect for Xavier Worthy. So I just think you're looking at the thing

that makes me concerned about Rice and why Worthy might be better is like, this could be Tyree Kill just based on his speed. Yeah. You know, and that's a lofty comparison clearly because what he was in Kansas City was a megastar in terms of as a fantasy receiver, obviously what he did for that offense. But the thing that I think is going to be fun about both these guys is you're now getting faster for the Chiefs.

You're getting Marquise Brown more speed on the field. You're getting Xavier Worthy more speed on the field. Obviously Rice is a upgrade over what they had toward the end of last season and what he was able to accomplish in his rookie campaign. And hopefully it makes Patrick Mahomes better because we know he hasn't been a great fantasy quarterback for the last two years. So I think that's going to be the fun overall takeaway for these guys if they can stay healthy and play the majority of the season, suspension injuries, notwithstanding.

Then we see just everything in Kansas City look better from an offensive standpoint. But I think you want to get a piece of this receiving core in some way, shape or form if you can. So Rice should go first. I like the fact that he's participating in, you know, voluntary OTAs, you know, sounds like he's trending in the right direction from a health standpoint. And so if he's ready to go by training camp, I think he'll be around three pick. And I think Worthy will come like said, not too far after him in round four. Yeah, my issue is like, these guys are always looking good. They're always recovering ahead of schedule, right? And then they get the season starts and we're eight weeks in it's like, well,

he's not really back yet. He's not the same player. So you're just never going to know truly how injured they are. He's, you know, he has a five yard a dot so but but he's great after the catch. I mean like I get the I'm saying he's not like the most explosive downfield player where I'd be super worried about the injury with Rishi Rice. He can still do his thing but he is great after the catch. He's one of the most efficient wide receivers. I mean he was for the first three weeks of the season for what it's worth. He was number one among wide receivers in yards per outrun. Number two is Justin Jefferson. So, uh,

he's not just a guy who just like catches a lot of short passes. He actually does a lot with them. Uh, but I, I do worry about the injury. And here's my favorite stat. When you think about this, was she rice those first three games, he was the number two wide receiver in fantasy. Um, he was on pace for 102 catches, 1500 yards, nine touchdowns on only 128 targets. This was with Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes was on pace for 3,936 yards and 17 touchdowns.

If Mahomes can re-discover his form, both of those guys are gonna crush their ADP. And that's what I'm, you're saying it Jamie, like get a piece of this offense. We just need Mahomes to bounce back and And I think worthy will be a big part of that opening up the downfield game. All right. Uh, one more wide receiver debate, Chris Godwin versus Mike Evans. Jamie, you can, uh, no Dave, you can start. We'll go Dave Alfredo, Jamie, go ahead.

This is going to sound like a cop out, but I think it's too soon to rule in favor of one over the other. Don't worry, I'm still going to give you an answer. Yeah, you better. And that answer, that answer is Mike Evans, because he's the healthier one of the two, because his role doesn't figure to be compromised by a first-round pick you've heard anything about Chris Godwin and where he is in his progress coming back from his injury. That's an obvious concern. But if he's right, and he's healthy and ready to go, listen, I know that this is a different offensive coordinator, but I don't think he's reinventing the wheel. I think he's going to still do a lot of the things that Liam Cohen did last year in Tampa, and Cohen improved on a lot of the things that Dave Canales did the year before. So I would imagine that Godwin is still going to be a very valuable target and to get a lot of work. Adam, you've talked all about how good he was, Godwin was, as far as PPR points per game when he was healthy. It is

possible he can pick up where he left off. And if he does that, then yeah, he's going to be the better receiver over Mike Evans, because we know that when Mike Evans, when he played with Godwin, he was around 13 PPR points per game. That's not what we're used to seeing from Evans. Evans needed Godwin to get hurt for him to really step into the spotlight and be a fantasy hero last year. The only reason why Evans is out of Godwin right now is because I just don't know if Godwin is gonna be good to go. And even if he is, how much he'll play in the slot with Ibuka now in Tampa Bay.

I don't remember who is next. I think Alfredo, go ahead Alfredo. Yeah, as much love as I have for Chris Godwin. I'm gonna go Mike Evans here and relatively easily because I do think that the Bucks are telling us what they're going to do when you draft a receiver that spent over 80% of his time in the slot. It sounds like you're probably going to have that guy play in the slot. And that's what worries me most about Godwin is that if they push him back outside, his fantasy production just drops so much. And going back to 2023,

the canalist year, 12.3 fantasy points per game. It was a huge drop off from the 19 that we were seeing last year when Godwin was lined up out wide. So that's the thing that concerns me the most. I mean, we could very well see the drop off of Mike Evans. I'm crossing my fingers. That doesn't happen. But if I'm going for the upside here, I think the upside still leans with Mike Evans making

big plays, catching more touchdowns. Whereas Godwin coming off injury, likely moving back outside, it worries me a little bit. I think you're going to see Evans get drafted first. I'll probably try to wait out Godwin as much as I can with the hope that he falls. I don't disagree with, you know, Ibuka maybe taking his role, but I wonder how much of that will be 2025 versus 2026. You know, you're looking at, um, Evans could be done after this year and it would just make sense. You know, he's, you know, 30, it'll be 33 by the end of the year, I believe. Um, you know, turning 32 or return 32.

Um, it's when these guys start to really start, you see the fall off and Not that he showed it last year clearly the bench stretch But I still think people are gonna draft Evans in the range that he was going pre draft, you know So in the round three range, I think Godwin may fall to you know round six or seven, you know And he that's where he was getting drafted last year because he was coming off the injury in the subpar play And so does he get kicked out of the slot roll right away? Well, they still have another guy that could play on the outside right now, McMillan, so they don't need to force him outside. I think Abouka is more break glass in case of emergency.

Use him as a sort of, not as a gadget player in his rookie campaign, but as a fourth receiver that will mix in. And then we see next year, OK, maybe then Godwin kicks outside to replace Evans. And if you think about it, the one game where Evans, where Godwin was fantastic in 2023 was when Evans got hurt and he was great as an outside receiver. So I don't think he's going to necessarily get crushed. If Evans leaves, this is more dynasty related. Um, if he ends up being the number one outside guy, but for this year, I

think the value for Godwin will be so much better that you want to just see how far you can wait this out. But it's to me, I think they're all they're both, you know, draft losers, you know, similar to the Bears. Like, you know, you throw in what a Buka could be, what McMillan was at the end of last season, what Evans was when Godwin was healthy last year, Godwin now coming off of the ankle injury. Like, there's just so many moving parts here that it feels like you want still pieces of this offense because it's so good but I think to Alfredo's point like you rather have the quarterback because that's going to work in his favor it's going to work in his favor all these guys but I think they'll cannibalize each other a little bit to a point where it could get frustrating

especially if you spend at least too early of a draft pick on Mike Evans. I got a stat on Evans that'll make you squirm but before I I do that, just a quick pointer, just because a receiver lines up outside, doesn't mean he's always going to run 15 yards downfield and play against the sideline. Godwin can still run a bunch of in-breaking routes, slants, and digs, and stuff like that, that he's used to running from the slot. He can still get open doing that because he's got good feet and he can get, that's his primary way to go. Well, it's more about who he's matching up running from the slot. And he can still get open doing that because he's good. He's got good feet and he can get that's how that's his primary. Well, it's more about who

he's matching up with as opposed to where he's sure. But sometimes when you drag that perimeter corner across the field, you're going to be able to get a step on him because the perimeter corner isn't used to that. And that's if it's man coverage, if it's zone coverage and crying out loud, Godwin's going to have all kinds of space. But that's a point for another time. But we do have a very clear season of him playing more on the outside and being pretty, pretty bad. And then they moved him back inside and all of a sudden he's the number three wide receiver per game at the end of the year. He almost got on the perimeter with Jameis, let's not forget.

Right, that's a fair point. And so we'll see what Grizzard does and how he uses them there. The set that's going to make you score him on Evans last year 27 percent of his PPR points came from touchdowns Not the so and that's kind of what he's known for I guess scoring a lot of touchdowns But if he if the number goes out, this is the same thing with Terry McLaurin and McLaurin We're used to seeing like five touchdowns a year from we're not really used to seeing that for Mike Evans But if that number gift from what he did last year gets cut in half, you know where his fantasy point total is going. It's going straight down. It's something that does have to concern you with Evans.

I thought you were going to say he was wide receiver 23 per game in the first six weeks of the season when both guys were healthy. 13.6 PPR points per game. All right, guys, let's we're going to have to do a speed version for the running backs here. So Alfredo, Dave, Jamie, we go in that order. Christian McCaffrey versus Kyron Williams. Alfredo, who do you have? I'm going to go Kyron here. I just, I simply don't want to lose my draft in the first two rounds by picking Christian McCaffrey, 28 years old, chronic injury. Now he's played one full season just the last four years and it's, it might sound boring, but I kind of just want to know what I have at my running back spot if I go with Kyron Williams.

I'm a little nervous about both these guys. I'll take Kyron first, but I mentioned earlier in the show, the Raiders had the lowest explosive run rate last year. The Rams were second lowest. Kyron Williams had some fumble issues down the stretch. Look, I don't think he's about to get replaced by Blake Horm or JarQuest Hunter. I think he's still their main guy. And he's in a contract year. These things tend to help Kyron Williams. And I love his spot on the team. That should be enough to put him ahead of McCaffrey. And I'm just going to say this every single time we talk about McCaffrey. I don't mind taking him late Round 1, early Round 2. But I've got to really target Isaac Garando if I do that. Garando's got to be my eighth round pick if I get Christian McCaffrey with one of my first two picks.

Jamie. That's exactly what I did. That took McCaffrey the first pick of round two and took Garando, I think, round 10 actually. Oh, wow. That's great. For me, I'm going to take the upside here. If McCaffrey's healthy, I don't that he obliterates Kyron Williams, but we know what he's capable of, you know, so it's a huge risk.

But you know, depending on where you're getting him. I think it's worth it. Kyron in two seasons has been the number two running back per game, and the number nine running back per game. biggest difference, just a lot more efficient five yards per carry in 2023 4.1 yards per carry in 2022. But both seasons on pace for over 320 carries. Alright, Jonathan Taylor versus Bucky Irving. Let's reverse the order Jamie Dave Alfredo. Jamie, Jonathan Taylor versus Bucky

Irving. I struggle with this one just because Taylor has been so good and he was really good down the stretch last year, but I'm gonna go Bucky. You know, just looking at what he should be able to do in the passing game by comparison to Taylor, especially with the addition of DJ Giddens and what he can maybe do to take some of the potential receptions that the running backs may get away from Taylor. Touchdown to a favorite Taylor clearly.

And again, he was the star that we know he was, you know, to close last year. But I just think Bucky's coming into his prime and based on the way that we know he was, you know, to close last year. But I just think Bucky's coming into his prime. And based on the way that he performed last year, this is one I may flip-flop a hundred times between now and August. But I like Bucky Irving's situation a little bit better than Jonathan Taylor's right now. In his last eight games, including the postseason,

Bucky Irving averaged 18.1 PPR points per game. Now I can cherry pick some numbers that'll make Jonathan Taylor look better than that. And Taylor was really not worse than that. Just over the course of the season, Jonathan Taylor was at 17.5. His numbers were a little bit better in five games with Flacco than they were with Anthony Richardson. I do worry a little bit about teams daring Indianapolis to throw the ball. They've got Anthony Richardson, they've got Daniel Jones. Who the hell knows which guy is going to start for them? And it's going to be close. I'm going to take the upside of Bucky Irving, figuring that he will see a little bit more work. Because last year, he got all these numbers without

being like a massive workload type of running back. I think Tampa puts a little bit more on his plate this year. I think he outperforms Jonathan Taylor in full PPR. Yeah, this was a close one for me. And I just leaned towards which team I think is going to have the better offense and more scoring opportunities. And if Jonathan Taylor, so much of his success has come off of scoring touchdowns. Well, I don't really know how often the Colts are going to be in scoring position. And if I remember correctly, the offensive line got a little bit worse going into this season. So it's just, yeah, it's just,

it's not exciting over there. Whereas Bucky, I know the track record for small guys with late draft capital isn't great, but I'm willing to take my chance on that one just because the upside is there. All right. A sweep for Bucky Irving. Last one is Breece Hall versus Alvin Camara. Dave, you can start. Who do you like better? And then we'll go Alfredo and Jamie. Breece Hall versus Alvin Camara. They are back to back. You're picking all these battles that are back to back. Am I right? It's Bucky and Taylor were back to back. Some receivers were back to back. And here's another one. So maybe you just looked at my right now.

Actually, I picked the wide receiver debates and Thomas picked the running back debates. So Thomas must have been looking at my rankings then to come up with it. But whatever it is, it's interesting. And as of now, I've got Breeze Hall one spot ahead of Alvin Camara. It's it's it. These are two running backs I'm not excited about. But if Breeze Hall gets more opportunities, we saw last year when he was getting 15 plus touches a game, his PPR points per game were good. Now, Alvin was even better because he was catching the ball. Can he do it again for another full season? Is he going to score a lot of touchdowns? These are things that worry me a little bit. If the Jets go conservative on offense. Yeah, I know Justin

Fields will steal some touchdowns. Hopefully he's the only guy in New York that steals touchdowns from Breece Hall. There's also the outside chance that Breeze Hall gets traded, be it between now and training camp or after the season starts. And if he gets traded, he could potentially go to a team where he's the star of that backfield. And he can run roughshod. Like if he goes to Chicago, it's over. You don't have to worry about Roshan Johnson and Deandre Swift and the rookie they drafted. You worry about Breeze Hall dominating there. And in a contract year himself, I could see Breeze Hall coming through with a pretty good season.

It's close between the two in full PPR. It's not close in non PPR. Breeze Hall is the pick for me. Alfredo. Yeah. Yeah. I lean ever so slightly to Kamara in PPR. But it's one of these things, man, like it's probably going to be too bad offenses, if I'm being honest. And that's the

part where I struggle is so much of Breeze Hall's value has come from catching passes. And we haven't seen enough of a sample size where Justin Fields is consistently targeting the running back. He did it a little more last year, but that was him being a fish out of water in an offense that he wasn't used to. And he was kind of forced to do that. That's not something he naturally has done. And with the other running back sort of working in there in New York, it just gives me a little bit of worry with him. So I lean Camara ever so slightly. Same. Yeah, to me, it's Camara. I think just again, his role in the passing game. And you know, I'm not the guy that's going to support

older players very often, but his game I think will age well you know just because he's not gonna have to get a lot of his production by scoring touchdowns we've seen that he's not gonna have to you know carry the football to the same level that Brice Hall probably will and the fact that Aaron Glenn came out and said we're gonna use all three guys like I don't think that's necessarily the end-all be-all for Brice Hall coming off the field significantly so Isaiah Davis is the one that you know is probably the the guy that's necessarily the end all be all for Breece Hall coming off the field significantly. So Isaiah Davis is the one that is probably the guy that's not gonna get as many touches, but Braylon Allen looked good at times last year.

Maybe Devin Neal is that guy for the Saints this year with a new coach coming in. But even with the crappy quarterback situation in New Orleans and losing offensive linemen and still not being explosive as Adam likes to point out time and time again with Camara, he's still going to catch more passes than Breece Hall. What Hall went through two years ago as a pass catcher, what he did at the start of last season as a pass catcher, I don't think is replicable with Justin Fields. So I think Kamara gets an edge here and I would, it's almost like a round difference for me. I would take Kamara in round three.

I wouldn't take Breece Hall until middle of round four. Yeah. And it's just funny to have this debate. And Dave has him back to back of the rankings. I totally understand why. But just to think, Alvin Camaro was four fantasy points per game better than Bruce Hall last year in full PPR. That's huge.

And there were games where Bruce Hall just did not get the ball. I kind of undersold this when I talked about Bruce. He had 10 games where he had 15 or more touches. He averaged over 19 PPR points per game. So it's really just about are the jets going to use them that much. And when they do use them, is he going to be able to get some catches? These are concerns. This is why Bruce Hall

isn't a second round pick anymore. And Justin Fields, he was the second overall pick last year. Right. There you go. Justin Fields, the last two seasons has been actually fairly high in running back target rate. He didn't qualify last year, but if he did, he would have been fourth in running back target rate. The year before he was like 13th. He doesn't throw a lot, but he might throw to his running backs, but not like Aaron Rodgers did. And not like Aaron Rodgers did before Devante Adams got there. That's when Brice Hall got so many PPR fantasy points.

All right. that's it. Hey Alfredo, I know you're a South Florida guy. You a Panthers fan? Go ice cats, baby. Yeah. Come on, I can't get Dave and Jamie or Heath into it. I mean, I'm watching every second of every game. I've been to more games than you have.

Well, I live a thousand miles away, Jamie. When the Panthers came to New York to take on the Rangers or the Islanders, did you go? The Rangers tickets are extremely expensive. No excuses. And the Islanders, I was thinking about going to it, but it was, it's far. It's kind of far.

But when I was in Florida for one week, I went to a game. Fake fan. I am fake fan, but I'm a good fake fan and I'm pumped up. Let's go. All right, Alfredo, thanks so much for joining us, man. Yeah, thanks for having me guys. Thanks Alfredo. What's your Twitter handle?

Alfredo A Brown. There you go, at Alfredo A Brown, follow him on X. And of course, get the rookie guide, Football Guys rookie guide that is out. And we will talk to you on Monday. Have a great weekend everybody. Go Panthers.