Fantasy Football Today - Rankings Disputes! Matthew Stafford, Quinshon Judkins, Mike Evans and More (05/04 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 4, 2026

After a round of news and notes (3:30) on George Kittle, Patrick Mahomes, the Rams backfield and more, we start our rankings disputes! It's Dave vs. Heath today with Jamey serving as the judge. We kick it off with Matthew Stafford (10:30) and Brock Purdy (18:50). Dave prefers Stafford while Heath prefers Purdy. Who does Jamey agree with? What are the cases for and against each? ... Running back rankings debates on Kyren Williams (26:15), Quinshon Judkins (34:10) and Travis Etienne (42:40). How big of a role will Blake Corum play for the Rams? Will Judkins have enough catches? Is Etienne in a better situation this season compared to 2025 in Jacksonville? ... At wide receiver, we're debating three older WRs. How are the guys feeling about Davante Adams (48:40), Mike Evans (54:50) and Chris Godwin (1:03:10)? ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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What a play! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races and he stays on his feet. It's just going to go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. What's up? Welcome for the show. It is Monday, May 4th.

This is Star Wars Day. This is fantasy football. Today we are talking about some rankings disputes, eight rankings disputes, Heath versus Dave. Dave, Dave Vader versus Heath Skywalker. Yes, okay, I tried. You had to think about that.

I did. I was going to say Heath Solo. That probably would have been better, but I guess it wouldn't have made as much sense. In the Star Wars world, oh, God, I'm dying over here. I'm just glad you didn't call me Daba the Hut. Thank you. Jamie, what's your favorite Star Wars movie?

My favorite Star Wars movie. Rug one. That's the correct answer. Heath, what's your correct answer? I am the wrong person to ask. What's your Star Wars catalog status? I watched the first three when I was a kid. I tried to introduce. I thought, you know, when they started coming out and I had kids,

I was like, well, if I can get them to watch the ones that I enjoyed as a kid, then maybe we'll watch the new ones. and they made about eight minutes and had no interest and I didn't really have any interest. Okay, my favorite one is the first, The Original, A New Hope, because I've only seen those original three as well,

but I saw them about 10 years ago, which was, I liked them. When I was a kid, I thought they were so boring, but they were good. I think my favorite one as a kid was the Empire Strikes Back. Yeah, most people, but you know me. I'm never going to do it most people.

I think they're solid movies. I think people will, probably like them. They'll be popular. Anyway, we do have some news and notes about George Kittle, about Patrick Mahomes, these injured guys who are making some progress. The rankings disputes are about Matthew Stafford, Brock Purdy, Kairn Williams, actually three Rams in our eight rankings disputes. Quinshaunson Judkins, Travis E.N. I'm still calling him E.T.N. For now, Devante Adams, Mike Evans, and Chris Goblin. And by the way, guys, I am so tired of talking about rookies. I am really excited for today's show. So let's get to it. Dave, George Kittle has a chance

to play week one, according to Kyle Shanahan. If Kittle played week one, where would he be in your tight end rankings? He would probably be somewhere between fourth and sixth. He would still be a tight end to target. You'd have good expectations for him. I would hope that being ready to play in week one would also mean him having a couple weeks of work in training camp. As long as that's the case, then we should expect a good version of Kittle.

but not the best version of Kettle. Jamie, Patrick Mahomes, is on track to participate in OTAs, not necessarily as a full participant OTAs or later this month for the Chiefs, somewhere around the 25th of May. And their GM, Brett Veach, I think it was on the Pat McAvey show. He said that they, you know, they're very excited to have Ken Walker. They're going to try to play defense and establish the run early in this season. And then he kind of said maybe kind of get Mahomes going a little bit

and then loosen up the reins, I guess. What did you make of all that with Mahomes and his progress? I mean, I think it's encouraging. Obviously, you know, he wanted to, the minute he had the injury, you know, have the surgery right away to try and make sure that he's on the field for week one. I'm still a little bit nervous to get over-excited about him as a fantasy quarterback from what we've seen from him for the latter part of the last three years, or a better part of the last year, excuse me.

You know, last year was more encouraging. and I think as we've said time and time again, a lot of it had to do with some of this rushing production, which is hard to expect coming off an Achilles injury with the backfield getting two, I think, significant additions, not just Ken Walker, but also Emmett Johnson. So they have an opportunity to be better at running the ball, and I think Mahomes is going to be good.

I just don't want to expect greatness as a fantasy quarterback. So he will be outside my top 12 for the season. All right, and Red Veach also talked about Eric Bianami being back as the offensive coordinator, and he said that Eric Bianami is one of the best running back coaches in the NFL, and he has coached eight running backs who have had 100 or more carries in a season. Six of them averaged at least 4.3 yards per carry, which is good, not great. And Daryl Williams and Brian Robeson Jr. were the exceptions there.

Damien. No, Daryl. Damien actually did average 4.3 or more yards per carry. Daryl did not. Okay. Nate Atkins of the Athletic expects Kairn Williams and Blake Corum to be in more of a 50-50 split. It wasn't that far from that last year, you know, once Corum got involved. Williams would be the primary third downback.

Nate Atkins also said he thinks the Rams want Terrence Ferguson to take the lead in the tight end group. They have a lot of tight ends. They use them all. Heath, John Shipley of Sports Illustrated says his early gut feeling is that Chris Rodriguez will lead the Jaguars and carry. but it will be pretty close with Bejel Tootin and LeQuint Allen will be the top passing downs back again. But man, do we have the wrong

Jaguars running back ranked the highest, Heath? Possibly. I don't really think that we do, but I think I had them separated by like 40 carries for the year. I think Tutin will catch more passes than Chris Rodriguez. What it probably comes down to is

Tutin was used in a short yardage roll a little bit last year and who gets those carries inside the 5 and 10 yard line. who scores the touchdowns. Right now I bet on it being Tutin. I think the idea, though, that he's going to share with both Rodriguez and with Allen makes it difficult to rank or draft Basial Tutin as a top 24 running back. He should be drafted as a flex.

Okay. Cleveland head coach Todd Monkin would not name a starting quarterback yet. He said he'd love to know it before training camp. Remember, we had the report last week that Deshaun Watson was in the lead there. The Ravens are signing Callais Campbell. He is almost 40. I believe he is 40. Easy four.

The only professional athlete I've ever hung out with, Callais Campbell. The Colts declined Anthony Richards. That's not true. I'm a little bit cooler, I guess, than I thought. The Colts declined Anthony Richardson's fifth-year option. The Steelers declined Broderick Jones. Their offensive tackles, fifth-year option,

their left tackle. So Broderick Jones, their left tackle, who has a neck injury, he's out indefinitely. They drafted an offensive tackle in the first round. They are declining his fifth year option. So I hope that's not a sign of his progress, but it could be that Broger Jones isn't close to returning yet, hoping for the best there.

Mary Kay Cabot is reporting that the Browns are hoping for a rebound from Jerry Judy. All right. David Nujoku is visiting the Chargers. Miami rookie offensive lineman, Caden Proctor, is going to play left guard. They drafted him, I believe, 13th overall, 12th or 13th. And the Ravens, they drafted Jacoby Lane. a tall receiver in round three.

They want to use him in the red zone, and rookie wide receiver Elijah Sarat will reportedly play in the slot. And those are your news and notes for today. Surrott in the slot. Yes. Contest winners. Congratulations to our NFL draft contest winner.

I don't know your name, but I know your email address, so I'll just call you Date 1NC. You win. That's not his email address, the way, so don't, you know, it's close, but don't go emailing him. He had six correct picks. They were all spelled correctly, formatted properly. And he got the bonus question, which was which was kind of screwed up by Schaefer, to be quite honest. He wrote, what was Adams minor

in college? But what he really meant was what was Adam's double major, his second major in college. And guys, what's the answer? Theater. Theater, that's right. So congratulations. I thought it was driving chicks around South Beach. I thought it was setting dynasty draft orders. No, no, no, he wouldn't have graduated if it was setting dynasty draft orders. Yeah, no. It was economics. That was too hard because I'm not smart enough for that. So I dropped it and changed it to theater. That's the full story. Heath, what's coming up on FFT Dynasty? We've got a one-man mailbag. We've got a startup mock draft. It's going to be,

we'll talk a little bit about the rookies still. And we're not tired of talking about them like Adam is. But we will have one-man mailbag tomorrow. Do you think, do you like doing one-man shows? There's benefits to both. Yeah. It's fun. It's a fun challenge. Yeah.

You got to really bring it. You got to really be prepared. I really like getting to answer, you know, 30, 40, 50 questions on a single show. That part's really good. Oh, that's cool. But I also like talking to people from around the industry about the dynasty landscape. Not me, though. Never on that show.

All right, rankings disputes. Here we go. Matthew Stafford is ninth for Dave and 15th for Heath, whereas Brock Purdy is 15th for Dave and ninth for Heath. Jamie is just going to sort of be the judge today. But we'll start with Stafford. Dave, you have him ninth, Heath you have him 15th, and Dave, he was QB1 overall end per game last year

and six point per passing touchdown leagues. That was the only the second time he's finished higher than could be 17 per game in his five seasons with the Rams. but you're buying, I mean, look, you don't have them right first, but ninth, so you're excited, I guess, for Stafford. Well, if I'm taking a quarterback later this year, I want one with huge upside. And I can probably find a quarterback with that 20 to 22 point range

that Purdy's been averaging for the better part of his entire career, even further than Stafford. But Stafford has the upside. Take a look. 26 fantasy points per game and 6. He had 11 games with 21 plus 10 with 24 plus. He had 28 plus and two of his three games in the postseason. I think this Rams offense isn't changing one bit.

It's going to be very Stafford-centric. The offensive line is in great shape. We know what Puka can do. We know what Devante Adams is still capable of doing. The tight ends are going to further help Stafford, giving them other options. And the run game is what it is. I think it's going to be all about Stafford. And when I'm looking at quarterbacks, latent drafts, yeah, give me the upside.

Give me Stafford. I think the biggest thing with that connects all three of the Rams ranking disputes is that I project significant regression from Devante Adams goal line wide receiver. It's just they did something really kind of crazy last year. I think he may have had his many touchdowns inside the five as Kyron Williams did. Like they just loved throwing the ball inside the five to Devante Adams. It wasn't something we'd really seen a lot in the past. Adams is another year older and wasn't great outside of that role. And then it is also just a reflection of like when we were back in January,

it's like, look what Matthew Stafford did. Why can't he just keep doing that in nine months? And generally when I go through my projections process and I get to the fact that he had a 7.7% touchdown rate last year, which was three points higher than his career norm. And he's 37 years old. in the past three years had been 3.3%, 4.6%, 3.9%. The math says it's probably going to be a lot fewer touchdowns for Matthew Stafford in 2026. This was his first year with Devante Adams.

And so it makes sense that Adams, who was unguardable on those fade throws inside the red zone and inside the 10, would help boost that touchdown rate for Stafford. I don't think it's going to 7.7 again, but I don't think it's going down under 4% either. I think 5, 6% is where he'll live. That's going to lead to good numbers still. I still think he's going to throw the hell out of the football. He's got that type of upside that we love targeting with late round quarterback picks.

Just for reference, if he had a 5% touchdown rate, which is above average, and I think probably about, I probably have projected higher than that. But I don't think people know what that means, the difference. difference between that. Last year, it was 7.7. That was 46 touchdown passes on 597 attempts. 597 attempts at 5% is 30 touchdowns. That's an enormous, I got six points per game in fantasy football. Yeah, that's, yeah, I was like it's going to be 5%. Six point per game. Okay, so, so that would have dropped him. So you're saying you would have lost six points per game. He would have lost six points per game. He would have lost six points per game.

He would have had a slightly above average. He would be 20 points per game range. He would be 20 points per game. Exactly. That's a lot. All right, Jamie, how are you feeling about Stafford? Ninth for Dave, 15th for Heath? Yeah, he's 12th for me.

So this is a pretty, pretty... I agree with, I think, both guys. You know, I think what Dave said about late-round pick, you know, in the drafts that we've done, he's the perfect sort of weight on quarterback or quarterback to wait on, just based on what he's still capable of doing. But I also agree with Heath that there's going to be regression.

And I think, you know, just when you when you sort of think about the group of quarterbacks that he's in, at least for me, so I would rather take the chance on what the upside could be this year of Trevor Lawrence and Caleb Williams. I like those guys better. He's closer to Purdy and Mahomes and, you know, even Kyler Murray for me just in terms of like late round guys that could hit and hit at a high level. But I do fear the age. I do fear the regression. I do fear the, you know, step back, obviously, of Devante Adams as well. And so, you know, this was this was such an interesting draft. I know you don't want to talk about rookies, Adam, but, you know, they were such strong rumors of Mackay Lemon to the Rams at 13. And I think if that had happened and then you're looking at this receiving core, like, okay, they have this now, you know, infusion of youth to, you know, mix and match with their 13 personnel and, you know, Puka and Adams and Lemon working together. And they didn't really do much to, I think, enhance their offense. that that's a bad thing, you know, getting another tight end, whatever, but, you know, not that

that's a bad thing. But I do think that we'll see some more rushing production. So that's the one thing I'd probably disagree with Dave. Like, I think the running game is going to be a little bit better as a whole, just from, I think even just from a touchdown standpoint, as Heath alluded to. So I think Stafford is, you know, just one of those borderline number one quarterback. So I guess if I had a side with somebody, I'd probably side with Heath because that's where I haven't ranked. Okay. Stafford has been on the Rams for five seasons. And he's had two seasons that were a lot like this. In 2021, he actually threw for more yards,

4,886 yards and 41 touchdowns, but he had 17 interceptions. In 2025, it was 4,707 yards. So it's about 180 more yards in 2021. Five fewer touchdowns, but nine more interceptions. He averaged 24 fantasy points per game that year, which only made him QB8 per game in six-point passing touchdown leagues,

but if he had done that in 2025, it would have been QB3 per game. So basically, out of five, seasons with the Rams. He's had two amazing seasons. But he kind of has to have an amazing, gives you nothing with his legs. So it needs to be amazing

to really be a big fantasy difference. It reminds me a lot of the golf conversation. Yeah, someone said something about golf actually in the chat. Yeah, like golf last year, went nuts or two years ago, like the second half of the year. And he had a really good year again in 2025, but he was only QB nine or ten per game. All right, that's Matthew Stafford.

We'll get to Brock Purdy, but we'll do that after we take this break, because Purdy is 15th for Dave and 9th for Heath. And in the last three seasons, as San Francisco's starter, he's been QB6, QB11, and QB4 per game. So maybe he should be even higher than 9th. We'll be right back on fantasy football today.

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You have him 9th. Dave has him 15th. Yeah, and I think the difference between Brock Purdy and Matthew Stafford and my projections is the rushing. Brock Purdy, generally speaking, is going to run the ball about four times per game. Matthew Stafford's going to run the ball for less than four yards per game. And you get somewhere around three to four rushing touchdowns per game. I thought that Dave was a little bit unfair to Purdy when talking about upside just because he did average 23.9 points per game in half of a season last year when he was healthy. and three of those nine games were against the Seahawks or the Browns.

He's going to play the Seahawks twice again, but hopefully it's two out of 17 games, so it's not quite as big of a negative on his value. He also, if you'll remember, the wide receiver room was an absolute disaster last year. Not just not because Joanne Jennings and Ricky Pearsall are bad, because it was rare that he had healthy wide receivers on the field. There are positive reports coming out about George Kittle.

He's still got Christian McKell. He's been one of the most efficient passers in the NFL since he entered the league. Andy gives you a little bit with his legs. Before last year, he was averaging, well, I have it 20.5, 22.4, 21.9. The 21.9 year was from week 13 on. It's safe. It's not spectacular. It's what the floor is for Matthew Stafford. And he did have a monster year.

Think about what last year was like for the 49ers. Their defense completely bottomed out. Purdy was forced to throw a lot and run a lot, especially in the second half of the year, where you kind of shorted him, Heath, his last seven games, 25 fantasy points per game, which was really awesome.

The run game was inefficient. There were a ton of games where Christian McCaffrey, he was averaging under three yards per carry. I feel like the Niners are going to work at trying to improve on those things, and they already have with the defense. So I worry a little bit about just how much Purdy is going to have to throw. I don't have it in front of me,

just how many attempts per game he had last year, compared to years prior. Maybe it's the same. No, it's a little more. 31.6, the year before. So their defense actually wasn't that bad. It was 13th overall. Now, I don't know what it was in the games

pretty played. Maybe it got worse as the year went on. It definitely was worse as the year went on. 31.6 past times per game. The year before that, 30.3. We have... Okay, so it was really flat. It was really not that different.

No, that's actually, like, 1.3 past times per game is kind of a big difference. their defense was really bad two years ago when he averaged 30.3 and I just, there is a little bit of a trend that the Niners are becoming more pass heavy. And I don't know if it's because of defense or not,

but the last two years have been different for Kyle Shanahan. It's because their running back's only been good when catching the ball. They didn't have a good rushing game. The other thing, just one quick rebuttal, because I think Dave's still being unfair to Brock Purdy. He said that he read those numbers off Brock Purdy. I think it was 21.9, 22.

point four, 20.7, whatever, and said, that's the floor for Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford, the three years before last year, did not crack 20 points per game, and he was below 17 fantasy points per game in two of those three seasons. It's in no way is Brock Purdy's last three seasons before last year, the floor for Matthew Stafford. The floor is on the way. I thought we established that if Stafford's touchdown rate regresses significantly, that he would be around. He would lose six points per game from where he was at last year. If he's as awesome at everything else as he was last year, it was also a big uptick in passing

efficiency, passing yards. Like everything was a lot better. You can make the case that they're both going to regress then if we're going to just talk about regression back and forward. Listen, I think Purdy's fine. He's a great quarterback to target late as well. I just don't think he has the same type of upside as Matthew Stafford. Okay, Jamie, go ahead. I think he has just as much upside as Stafford. So I would disagree with that. But I do think he is a great quarterback to wait for. He is currently 15th in my rankings as well. But I think there's 15 quarterbacks and you can mix up the last seven or eight in whatever order you want and come out with, you know, Purdy over DAC or Purdy over Stafford or however you want to, you know, sort of look at it.

I'm a little bit. And, you know, he said something there about the wide receiver room being a mess last year. And this is the part that I get a little stuck on because you have Mike Evans at 33 years old who missed a lot of time last year. you have George Kittle coming off in Achilles injury. I, Ricky Piersaw had a hard time staying healthy. Like, we could get to a point in the season where his receiving core is Christian Kirk, Stribling, Jake Tongass,

and hopefully McAfre, like, it could be bad. It really could. And, you know, Trent Williams, missing time last year. I know they gave him the contract extension. I hope he's going to be healthy. He's arguably been the best left tackle of his generation. Like, if that offensive line starts to struggle, again, like this could really go bad for party.

And that's my concern. And it's like, I have a lot of faith in Kyle Shanahan, and obviously everybody should. I have a lot of faith in Brock Purdy to pick the members. It's been very solid since he took over as the starting quarterback for the 49ers. Like the floor has been, I think, as Heath illustrated, very solid. Like, if you're getting 20 fantasy points where you're drafting Brock Purdy, you should be okay with that. But I'm just a little bit worried that we could be looking at a very bad receiving court for San Francisco at some point. There's a lot of ifs.

If this guy stays does this, if this guy stays, you know. And that's just kind of where I come out with with Purdy mostly. it's just last year may end up looking better than this year at some points during the season. So where do you have them, Jamie? Right now he's 15th. But again, like that's the, that kind of group for me is I have DAC at 9 after DAC. And I don't remember the word of Tom, I'm sorry. But it's Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, Stafford, Mahomes, and Purdy.

Like, that's the next group for me. And in any order, on any given day, I'd be fine with it. Yep. I think you, I think the case can be. made to have Purdy. Like I've got Purdy one spot behind Kyler Murray. I don't know if I can keep that. I've got him two spots behind Patrick Mahomes.

As great as what you said at the beginning of the show about Mahomes, Adam, I don't know if I can keep it that way either. He's absolutely in the thick of this late round QB mix. It's why it's the best strategy this year in drafting is don't take a quarterback early. Don't be one of those people that takes one with your first two picks. Wait and feel like you're stealing the position. You're going to hear that for me a hundred times between now in September. 7% touchdown rate or higher in three of four seasons for Brock Purdy.

I don't know how to really come to grips with that, Heath, other than to say the one year where he didn't have, we had a 4.4% touchdown rate, he was still a top 12 quarterback per game, which is good. No, he has, like, when we talk about Matthew Stafford having to regress because the efficiency was so good, um, his efficiency was like as good as what Brockport, because it's not just touchdown.

percentage. Last year, his yards per attempt were 7.6, which is awesome for a quarterback. And it was a full yard lower than his career average. This is purdy we're talking about. Yes. It's just, it's Shanahan. Yeah. Like Jimmy G's efficiency looked like a good NFL starting quarterback when he was there. Yeah.

All right. Well, let's move on to the running backs here and stay in the NFC West to Kyron Williams. Last three years, Kairn has been RB2 per game, RB10 per game, and RB11 per game. Dave doesn't have him that high. Dave has him 15th. Heath has Kyron Williams eighth. You know what? Why don't want to let Jamie start on this one?

Jamie, where do you have Kyron Williams? Then we'll let Dave and Heath debate because Dave, again, is lower at 15th and Heath is eighth on Kyron. He's 14th for me. And again, when you start to look at that group of running backs with probably as early as Hampton and Genty at 7 and 8,

you know, I'm sorry, 8 and 9, Barkley, Jacobs, Jeremiah Love, Ken Walker, Derek Henry, Williams is at the back end of that group. But, you know, you started the show with the news and notes about wanting to see more Blake Quorum. It's obviously something that I think they're comfortable with is taking some work away from Chiron Williams.

It's a matter of will he once again prove us wrong and prove the Rams wrong and continue to be a very solid fantasy option. And I think if you're betting on Chiron Williams and you're probably taking him in round three at this point, if you're betting on Chiron Williams, you're betting on that to continue. And so Quorum was very good at times last year, and still Kyrie Williams had a very excellent season.

And so can these two work together? You know, going back to the Stafford argument, I think the run game as a whole will be better for the Rams. To ask Matthew Stafford at 37 to have to sort of rescue them again, I don't think it's something Sean McVey necessarily wants to do, not that he can't do it because he proved to be able to handle that very well. But, you know, take some pressure off your quarterback is always something head coach to try to accomplish.

And so, you know, if the run game is successful, I think it's going to be because Kyrian Williams has another. solid season. So I'm curious here what the arguments, you know, for and against Kyrie Williams are. But for me, he's just one of those, like that's to me, he's the bridge. You know, so you get past. I think there's 13 guys that are top 12 worthy. And then he's the first real number two running back in my mind. I wish I had done this before. It's basically our website, the fantasy site, what did we say, kind of launched last week for 2026? The ability to start your league's launched last week.

Yeah, but in that, I have lost the ability to go back and run a custom report of where Kyron Williams ranked from week seven on. I got you. I've got it. Okay. Because I think he'd be about 14.7 p.m. Per game from weeks. I've got them a little higher than that, but it includes the postseason.

I can run it for you on true media where. Well, if he is from week seven through 18. that's when Blake Corman really got going. Right. I got him at 14.7 points per game, which I just did with my calculator here, so I might be a little off, which would be about RB15 for the full season,

which is where Dave has him. But Heath, what do you got? Well, no, I had him at 14.7 per game, so you're right, and it was tied for RB 11 over that stretch. Okay. So, but maybe over the full season, it was RB 15.

I think, like, the big thing is, I just think he's going to score, one or two more touchdowns and he wasn't that far from being a top eight running back. The bigger thing is I have Sequin, Barclay, and Derek Henry both projected for more points than Kyron Williams, but I would rather draft the younger guy. So you have Kyran ranked ahead of Barclay and Henry? Right.

What do you make of this 50-50 report? And let me just real quick, before you get into that, it was like 174 carries for Kyron and 116 for Corum in that 11 game stretch. So not quite 50-50, but what do you make of that? That would be bad if that happens. I don't really believe it will be 50-50

other than, yes, maybe 50-50 on drives except two-minute drills are going to Kyron. And if Blake Corum gets stuffed at the one, Kyron's probably coming in to finish off the drive. They give quorum chances sometimes, but then when it didn't work out, here comes Kyron Williams. And I think more passing downs are probably going to Kyron. So, yeah, 50-50 for who's on the field at the start of a drive, I believe that.

Kiron was 11th among running backs from week 7 to week 18 in PPR points per game, 14.7. So there's your number. When you add the postseason three games, he had a monster game against Chicago in the postseason that helped push up his numbers. But I think he's one of those running. backs that you look at and you go, I'd settle for him as my RB1. I'd love for him to be my RB2.

And so when Jamie said he's the bridge running back, it made all the sense in the world. I think you can make a case for a bunch of other guys that have more upside than Kiron Williams, who averaged around 15 and a half ppr points per game. You just heard that he was close to that last year when we saw Blake Corm start to get more work. And he was playing about a third of the snaps. I dig him right in this spot. I think that he is a third round pick. I think he's an early third round.

pick and absolutely a safe running back, but not somebody who's going to take a big spike unless something happens to Corrum. And frankly, unless something happens to Stafford where he throws less. And I just think I see the Rams a little differently than Jamie and Heath. I think the Rams are still going to lean on Stafford. I've already said that. I think the Simpson pick might even fire Stafford up and be like, oh, you're already trying to replace me because McVeigh was acting kind of weird about it all after the draft. And Stafford still wants to prove it.

He still wants to win a ring. I don't think they're going to do it on the back of Kyron Williams and Blake Corum. I think they're going to do it off of Stafford's arm. Okay. By the way, from week 7 through 18, both running backs had eight goal line carries. Kieran scored five touchdowns. Corum scored three touchdowns on those eight goal line carries. That's a ton of goal line carries.

Yeah. I mean, it was a great offense. It was a great offense, right? Jamie, does it score more than anybody else? Yeah. That's kind of how it works. It seems like every year. we get reports about maybe less work for Kairn or something.

He's going to return punts or something like that. And it just ends up that he's just, he's just their guy. And maybe he's doubted too much. We had that last year. I remember until they got the contract extension? You know, it was, Quorum's going to get more work and, you know,

what's going to happen with Kairn going into a contract year? And then they rewarded him. And I think a lot of people felt a lot better about that. But yes, we had the two years in a row of the special teams work. And that sort of scared some people off. then, you know, well, one was drafting quorum and he didn't play in his rookie season, then getting more work for quorum last year. So, yeah, it just feels like the narrative is he's not that good.

And I think that kind of speaks to, and Heath has, you know, at least had some good data on this or good reporting on this, good coverage on this is that when you get these day two, day three running backs, if they stay in the same system with the same coach, that tends to be when they work out. When you see these guys get new coaching staffs or, you know, they switch teams. it's when they tend to, you know, struggle. And Kyrin, you know, coming out of Notre Dame was sort of viewed as this, you know, past catching running back, not necessarily a featured guy.

And all he's done is had success with it since his rookie campaign. So I think until he does let you down, you continue to draft him. And I think we have the right range for him. You know, maybe he's in round two, but, you know, late round two, really round three, depending on where, you know, your running backs come off the board. I think you're still looking at him, as Dave said, you know, love to have him as your RB2, still a good RB1 if you go wide receiver, wide receiver, or a wide receiver tight end in your first two picks.

Like, Kairn's just solid. And hopefully he doesn't have a letdown season in 2026. All right, moving on. Next guy is Quinchan Judkins. 25th for Dave and 10th for Heath. Oh, Dave's like, oh, wait. Actually, I don't know how to interpret that face. Dave gave kind of a shook his head no and did something there.

I don't know. He dissed me. Did he or is this one where Dave's going to go? He might say he's too low on Quintjod Judkins. That might have been one of those faces. So, Dave, your 25th on Judkins and Heath is 10th. What was that face? The face is that I can't believe Heath has quinsh on Judkins' 10th.

So, yeah, kind of a difference. Yeah. 12.1 PPR points per game last year. The touches were outrageous. 18.3 touches per game, 2.6 targets per game. That was in 14 games. Now he's coming back from a fractured fibula and dislocated ankle. But I don't think, I can discount that eventually.

It looked like he was rehabbing. with the team in OTAs. Man, if he gets a training camp and he's working in full, then we can pretty much look past that and say that he's going to be back to being the RB1 in this offense. And he'll eventually be the RB1. Will he be as good and will it matter? Because this offense is not that great. We know that there's some serious quarterback issues.

I do like that they've completely retooled the offensive line. But last year is the issue for me. He had a ton of work and he didn't have a ton of fancy production. And expecting that to change. in a Cleveland offense that just hasn't been good. I don't think it will be good. Makes me nervous about having them anywhere close to what we were talking about

with Kyron Williams, which is a running back that you'd love to have as an RB2. I'm not sure I want to have Quinn as my RB2. And then you think about Monkin and his track record and, oh, is this going to be the next Derek Henry? He's going to use him like Derek Henry. Well, there were eight times last year

in Baltimore when a running back had 15 plus PPR points. Some of them were way past 15 PPR. That's because it's Derek Henry. 2024, it was a lot bigger than that, 13 times. 2023, six times. And that was before Derek Henry, a lot of Gus Edwards in that mix. And then there really isn't a great track record of Monkin turning running backs into monsters.

And so asking Monkin to go and turn Quinshot Judkins into something close to Derek Henry on a Brown's offense that has huge question marks at quarterback and at wide receiver, I can't buy into that. This is somebody that I would like to settle for as an RB2. Yeah, it tends a little high. I think this is one of those. Like a lot of times when you go through the ranking debates during the season on Wednesday or so, we're like, oh, I'm that far out of line on where Judkins is.

At the same time, I think, I don't think, like, nobody's Derek Henry. And the Brown's offense is not good. But I do think the Brown's offense is going to be better than it was last year. I think the offensive line is going to be better than it was last year. I think Judkins is a very talented rusher. I was really, really encouraged by the fact that he was there even at OTAs and like moving around on the field. So I'm not that concerned about the injury. I think he is one of those running.

We've been talking and the chat's really been going through like all of these running back committees that we have in the NFL. And I think Judkins is one of those guys that if he's fully healthy for 17 games might be in the top five or six in the NFL in total. in total rush attempts. So I'm going to be more optimistic. I'm going to be the high guy on them. I'll have him outside of the top 12 running backs when I do my next update. It might be 13th, though. Jamie, before we get to you, Dave said, I think 18 touches per game in the 14 games.

Well, he left three of, he left two of them early. And week two, he kind of barely played as it was his first game in his games where he played like normal Snapshare to 19.8 touches per game. Yeah. But he had 11. in games with 40% or more of the snaps, and that was the number, 19.8. And you want to know what his fantasy average was in those games?

Yeah, well, it wasn't great, but only on pace for 23 catches. That's got to change, I think. But anyway, Jamie, your thoughts on Judkins, again, he is 25th for Dave and 10th for Heath. Yeah, I think he's a good, you know, number two running back. I think you're talking about a guy

that should be a featured option on his team. You know, the fact that his main competition is Dylan Sampson, those guys, you know, are polar opposites essentially. So I think Judkins has a chance to, you know, be, as Heath said, among the lead leaders in carries. And I would guess just knowing that the Browns quarterback situation being what it is, they're going to try and be a run-heavy team and let their defense do as much work as they possibly need to, you know, stay in games and maybe win some low-scoring games.

But it's interesting for me with two guys that had very, you know, I think solid rookie campaigns coming off significant injuries with Cam Scadaboo and Quinn John Judkins and looking at how their seasons wet and looking who. who the competition is and looking what the changes were made in the off-season for both. And to get so excited about Scadaboo and not as excited about Judkins, I don't, to me there's a little bit of a disconnect there. So I like Scada-Boo better, but they're about four or five spots apart. So Judkins, I was trying to pull it up, just to have it from him.

Judkins is, R.B. Sorry for the delay. Didn't show up. So he is. That was a drummer roll. he's he's about he's about rb 19 rb 20 no i think he's a guy that you can settle for as an rb to sort of get to that group of of running backs you know in that um you know dandre swift uh brees hall um you know that that that type of range of running backs where you know you're you can see the upside you can see

the path to success you could see some pitfalls obviously you know i think you're right at him he's got to be a little bit more involved in the passing game uh but if this is a run-centric offense like you expected to be, at least I expected to be, I think Judkins has the ability to be a double-digit touchdown guy and hopefully get to that 1,200-yard rushing range. I'll leave you this statistic for those of you as we go into break here, but thinking about Kyron Williams versus Quinn Sean Judkins. Well, just to take a couple of sample sizes, the last 11 games of the regular season for

Kairn Williams, which is, again, when Blake Quorum started getting involved. and the full 17 game pace in the games that Dave mentioned where Quintan Junkins played more than 40% of the snaps so 11 of those games. They were on pace for 28 catches only for Kyron Williams, but 23 for Judkins. But Judkins averaged three and a half more carries per game. He was on pace for 314 carries,

whereas Kyron was on pace for 254. So if I told you that, and I said they were going to have basically the same amount of catches, but one of them is getting three and a half more carries per game. But that guy plays for the Browns. The other guy plays for the Rams. You think about it during the break. Who would you take first?

We'll be back to talk about Travis E.T.N. after this. We're back to talk about Travis E.T.N. Who is 16th for Dave and 24th for Heath. Last year, he was RB 14 per game. Dave, first word on E.N. You have him 16th and Heath 24th. I've got him ranked as high, assuming that Alvin Camara is either on another team, retired or in a very limited role with the Saints and that New Orleans added Travis H.N.

To reinvent their run game, give it some serious life and use him as a three-dimensional back, meaning out of the backfield as a pass catcher. Won't be to the same degree that you might like because that's Kellyn Moore's track record, but still he'll get a couple of targets per game designed to him from Tyler Shuck. He'll also be able to benefit from both Olavé and Jordan Tyson drawing coverage. and forcing the safeties to play back. I think defenses are going to be very, eventually they're going to be very aware of what those two guys can do.

That'll make lighter boxes for Travis H.N. And he'll be able to take advantage of that. I also like the A. Chan has 14.9 plus PPR points per game in two of his past three years. Those are obviously on different teams. He's going to a squad now that has a good offensive line and a good play caller in Kellynne Moore. I want to buy into that.

16th might be a little rich, but I still think that he's one of those running backs that you're going to look at and say, easy decision to use as a number two RB. Can I just say that Dave's right if Alvin Camara is not on the team, and this is where I'm ranking him because Alvin Camara is still on the team? Fair. So, yeah, okay, if Camara's off the team, you're going to move E.T.N.

Dave has him 16th. You put him in that range? And actually, this is where I had Travis Eten ranked, but when I found out it was Travis H.N., I moved him way up. I don't really know what to say. I don't know that all of our listeners even know about that whole thing. they probably do or most of them probably do. His last name?

Yeah, but ETN apparently truly pronounces his name Achan. So it is weird to have two running backs in the NFL whose last name is pronounced Achan and neither of them are really spelled that way. But Heath, that's the bump you'd give him close to the 16 range. I think he'd be right in that, like right now he's a low end RB2 because Camara's still there and it's not quite like the A.J. Brown situation where we've gotten all but confirmation but that he's going to be gone. If I took him out of the projections,

because what Dave said about Kellan Moore in the passing, Moore doesn't refuse to throw to his running backs. He just doesn't do it quite as much as we would like. And if Camara is going to play, I think that's probably the role that he's going to fill. Jamie, how do you feel about ETN? I think it comes down to Camara. I mean, kind of, you know, cut and dry at this point.

If he's there, he's going to have a role. And he made it very clear prior to the NFL draft, prior to free agency, like he doesn't want to go anywhere. You know, he, and, you know, I think that's where Dave's retirement, you know, comment comes into play. Like, if they decide to trade him, he may just call it quits because this is where he wants to be. And, you know, look, we've seen situations where it didn't seem like, you know, two running backs with good resumes can work together and have success in some capacity. they can make it work, but I think it's going to come at the detriment of where you're expecting

to draft Travis A. Chan and still what a Camara can offer. So this is a guy that I probably will end up avoiding if Camara's on the team in the range that I expect is ADP to be. You know, I'm seeing something in the chat here about the Saints and listening to some of the Beyond the Box score stuff.

And I think Kellyn Moore's had a really good career. as an offensive coordinator. And he coached Dallas, and he coached the Chargers, and he coached the Eagles, and he had a lot of talent. But last year, when he made the Saints look good,

I think people are really buying into the Saints, are really buying into Kellyn Moore and want a piece of the offense. Alvin Camara last year was the first running back, well, the first lead running back that did not finish at least 20th per game for Kellyn Moore.

His lead running backs have finished is RB5, 16, 19, 10, 20, 1. That was Barclay, and 37 per game. So he just has a, I mean, he just has a great track record as a coordinator or a head coach. And I don't know. I mean, is, are we feeling that? Are you guys feeling that? Like, let's just get the Saints, Dave.

Five of six seasons, he's had a running back at at least 14.2 PPR points per game. And let's go through because part of it is. That's your floor for Travis E. Chan. We were almost all elite before he got there. Right. Like Echler, so Elliot three, Zeeke three times. Tony Pollard in 2022, where Zeke was still, Zeke's still a 231 carries that year, but Pollard was better.

Echler, Barclay, and then last year. Markley's year was crazy. Yeah, yeah. So, I don't know. Are you, is this a better situation for him than Jacksonville? Put it out. Let me ask you that. Is this a better situation than last year for Travis A. Chan?

Every question you asked about him. Exactly. Every question you ask about him. If Camara's out, is it a better situation for him? Yes. Yes. Probably. Okay.

And I still think Camara will have a significantly reduced role. You don't go and make a play in free agency for a running back and then use him 50% of the time with a 31-year-old running back in his last year. I just wonder who the goal line guys. We'll find out with the Saints and the Cardinals. This is a thing that for A-chan, E-TN, A-chan, he has not. been a good goal line back in his career, and he has been taken out of that by Biggsby, by Tutin, not like completely taken out, but he's at least had to share. And I don't know if that player exists on the Saints. Okay. Yeah, could be Neil. Let's go to Devante Adams,

21st for Dave, 29th for Heath. So I know Heath, just the touchdown regression. By the way, if he finishes 21st, it would be the worst year of his career since he broke out in his third year. and that's where Dave has him. Heath has him 29th. Jamie, do you know where you have Devante Adams? 25th. Okay, right in the middle. All right, Jamie, I'll give you the first word there.

What did just your overall thoughts on Devante Adams? I mean, look, we sort of touched on this with the Stafford conversation. He was so touchdown dependent last season and missed time due to injury. You know, they sort of made the switch midseason where he was the guy on the field when they were in three tight end sets. And then it went to Puka and it seemed like their offense picked up, understandably so, because Pook at this point in his career is a better receiver. So Devante is going to have to score a lot of touchdowns again. And look, they entertain the idea of maybe trading him.

That was the conversation that came up this offseason. They clearly entertained the idea of replacing him with the McIlemon talk at 13, and they didn't. So there's still clearly faith in what Devante Adams can do and hopefully continue to produce or how he'll continue to produce. It's just a matter of, like, will he still find the ends on 14? times. And that's hard to wrap your head around for a guy at his age. So I'm guessing, just based on the Stafford conversation, as Dave alluded to, he's expecting Matthew Stafford to continue to play at a

high level and Devante to be a big part of that. And as he said, he's expected to want to add them to regress. So it's understandable where these rankings, you know, come into play. I just think for me, as, you know, anybody that's listened to our show for, you know, years, older players scare me. And, you know, again, missing time last season with the hamstring injury, now coming off this year where he was so touchdown dependent. Like it's hard to expect him to turn back the clock and get the opportunities that he's used to getting, which I think could be a little bit reduced,

because again, the way that the Rams seemingly want to operate, which is maybe feature their tight ends a little bit more, maybe continue to feature Puka to the level that he's used to getting. It's just hard to expect Dvante Adams if he doesn't score 10 plus touchdowns to be a solid, you know, high-end number two fantasy wide receiver. Dave, you're the high guy at 21. me 25th, he's 29th. Part of this is me not liking a lot of wide receivers in the middle to back end of

wide receiver two land. And there's just too many guys that I look at and I go, all right, these are wide receiver threes that might get you 13 ppr points per game. And they're just going to be okay. I think we've got a ton of those wide receivers available. I don't think Adams is one of them. I think he's can, I think he'll be better than 13 ppr. points per game. He was old last year. He was a secondary option last year. He was banged up last year.

And he still averaged almost 16 PPR points per game. And he averaged 8.1 targets per game. And he was dominant in the red zone. And he caught a lot of touchdowns. I think we can pencil him in, not for 14, but for nine or 10, I think he can get there. I really do. And I still think he's still going to have games where he's going to have a lot of targets. And I'm just going back to what I said earlier in the show. I see the Rams differently than how Heath and Jamie do. They see them being a little bit more balanced offensively. I think Stafford slings it. And when he does that, that's good for all the receivers. This is still going to be the number two target getter and it's still going to be a high number. Do I love them at 21st? No, but I have a hard time ranking some other wide receivers

ahead of them. I could possibly do that with burden and more. Right now, both of those guys are behind Devante Adams. I think there's a chance that both of those guys could be really close in terms of targets per game to Devante Adams. I don't know if they'll be anywhere near as close in terms of touchdowns. Yeah. All right. And Heath, you're the low guy, not by much, 29th on Devante Adams.

Yeah, he's, I mean, he's 33 years old and he just was not very good last year, except for the fact that he scored touchdowns. And touchdowns are awesome. They're also the least sticky and least predictive thing about fantasy. football. So like 4.3 catches per game, 56 receiving yards per game, those are wide receiver three numbers, kind of mid-wide receiver three numbers. And he's old enough to where a legitimate fall-off-the-cliff scenario is in play. Devante Adams had 28 end zone targets and he missed three games. The data I have on True Media only goes back to 2009, but the 28 end zone targets are

the most for a wide receiver since 2009. And if I had to guess, probably ever. And he missed three games. It was insane. He had, and the next guy we talk about, too, this is a discouraging stat. Adams average 1.9 yak per catch, yards after catch per reception. That was 77th out of 78 wide receivers with 50 or more targets. Mike Evans, the next guy we're going to talk about, 1.2 yak per catch. Those are horrible numbers and concerning, I would say, given the age.

But there was one thing Because I always felt like Man, I don't understand how He's not catching more balls The catch rate was really low for him It was like 56%. 52.6%. Well, this is weird

considering the year that Stafford had But DeVante Adams, again, there were 78 wide receivers with 50 or more targets. He ranked 70th in catchable target rate. Pooka Nukua ranked ninth. There were just more times

in the connection, I just remember watching it, like the connection, he's open, the connection between Stafford and Adams in a season where he had 14 touchdowns and 14 games was a little off sometimes. So I happen to believe that unless he's just old and it's like this is the year where he just can't play football that well anymore, I really think everything's going to get better. The touchdowns will get worse, but I really think he's going to have a better year in terms of catches and yards personally. Is anyone else feeling that? I don't think it gets worse. I think significantly better.

better, the touchdowns probably come down and balances out a little bit. Yeah, I do think it'll balance it out. But I think, I mean, he was on pace for 73 catches, 958 yards, on 138 targets. That's horrible. I don't see him like it's that kind of player. But I don't know. That's highly better, but not much. All right.

Well, I'd love for him to play, you know, more than 14 games. Let's talk about Mike Evans here. Boy, Heath, if you were low on Devante Adams. Yeah, this is, again, that. I think this early in the off season, and it's still pretty early. I think it's mostly based on what the projections say. I've adjusted some guys, and I'll probably get Evans up to inside the top 40. But I think it's also instructive to understand why the projections just absolutely hate it.

And it's because he's going to be a 33-year-old wide receiver who was like missed half of last year. And we can't even say the thing we said with Devante Adams. It's not like he was bad except for the touchdowns. It was just a disaster in terms of receiving efficiency for Mike Evans last year. He's battled injuries the last couple of years. He's old. He wasn't good last year. And the icing on the top is he's going to a team that throws half of their passes to

Christian McCaffrey and George Kittle. Okay. They consistently have a lower than average wide receiver target rate. So the projections hate him. So just so you know, Heath right now has Mike Evans 44th and Dave has him 24th. Dave? I'm too high on Mike Evans and he needs to come down. He is not the 24th best wide receiver.

You know the arrested development meme where David Cross goes, but it might work for us. It didn't work for more. Maybe the sort of. Like that's the argument for Mike Evans at this point is, well, he's been hurt for like parts of each of the last. six years and he had a really bad year in terms of efficiency last year, but he's going to a Kyle Shannon offense and maybe this year, this is the year that he finally works out and he goes off with a bang. I think that that's a bad case to take him.

I don't think he's going 24th off the board in any fantasy draft as far as wide receivers go. I think the case is much better for guys, here's who I've ranked behind him. This is not going to stay this way. DJ Moore, I'd rather have him. Terry McLaren, even if IU goes to watch, and I'd rather have him. Jamo, more upside with him.

All right, I start to cringe a little bit at Marvin Harrison, Jr. I think Mike Evans is a wide receiver three, because I do think there will be portions of the year where things will work out. He's still a good route runner when he's on the field, and I think that you look at the Niners offense, and Kittles a question mark, Pierceall is a question mark, Christian McCaffrey catches a lot of passes.

I'm kind of, I'm starting to get cold feet on Christian McCaffrey, and I'm thinking about moving him down considerably. I'm starting to get cold feet about this. higher offense in San Francisco. So I shouldn't have warm feet or warm anything for Mike Evans. He's ranked too high for me at 24. But 40th seems a little egregious. I think he's going to be somewhere between.

He's going to be in the wide receiver three range, just like 20 other wide receivers. Hold on. You're getting cold feet about the 49ers offense. You're getting cold feet about their fantasy pieces because there are a lot of mouths to feed. I've certainly the fantasy offense because there's a lot of mouths to feed, but there's a lot of older components.

to this offense. You've got Evans, who's been banged up. We've already addressed that. Kittle, everybody knows he's coming back from a bad injury. McAfree's coming off of a year where he's had a ton of work. He's an older player. Trent Williams is an older player. There's a lot that needs to go right for that offense to be as good as we're used to seeing it. Jamie, I'm going to give you a list of noteworthy wide receivers who average 13 or more PPR fantasy points per game in their age 33 season since 1990. Antonio Brown. What's that? Jerry Rice and Jerry Rice yes Antonio Brown is the most recent example Terrell Owens Marvin Harrison Chris Carter Julian Edelman Jimmy Smith Steve Smith Jerry Rice it it does happen sometimes

All right where do you so 24th for Dave but we'll be moving down 44th for Heath where are you on Mike Evans 24 and I'm perfectly fine with him there you know I you know some of the names that Dave said I already had DJ more ahead of him so that's you know fine I would rather have him and then Jameson Williams, given the potential tight-end friendly offense in Detroit, I think he's better than Marvin Harrison on paper. And I know, Adam, the last draft we did, you took him like wide receiver 20. So I think Evans comes into play as early as that range. But, you know, Dave said almost everything I said about, you know, Purdy.

Like you have these older components to the San Francisco offense. Like it can go completely south quickly when you're looking at not just their, ages, but the time that they've missed, you know, in the two past two seasons, Evans last year, Kittle coming off the injury and McCaffrey two years ago. Like their main guys are, you know, in a potentially different, in a scary situation, you know, just because of how this could all go, you know, so that's kind of where, like I was saying, where I'm at with Purdy. But I do think in the case of Evans, like, if he's healthy and, you know, the last two years, it's hard to say if he's healthy because he battled hamstring injuries for two years in a row, had the

collarone injury, like there's been some reasons to be concerned about this. But I'm probably more concerned, even the report that you gave today, not including that, I'm concerned about Kittle being a significant factor this season. I'm concerned about, as Dave just alluded to, McCaffrey at 30 holding up after all the work that he had. And so Evans, you know, he could have easily just said, I'm staying in Tampa Bay and I'm going to finish out my Hall of Fame career here and still have a chance to win a ring. I think the odds are probably in San Francisco's favor, but Tampa Bay could easily have a 2024 season and be the division leader and have a chance to, you know, make a, make a Super Bowl run or at least a good, a comparable Super Bowl run. Again, I take San Francisco, but comparable Super Bowl run to the 49ers.

He decided I wanted a new challenge and a new opportunity. And so hopefully that, you know, encourages him and ignites, you know, a fire in him to have a big season. But it's a lot of ifs. And I think that's just, you know, hard to, you know, bank on when you're talking about that range of wide receivers. and the upside versus the downside. So I think he's a borderline to three and just want to not reach for him. I thought in the draft, Adam, you reached for him.

I think he sort of alluded to that to him. We were reviewing the draft. Was I on that show? Yeah. Yeah. It's when you took him ahead of Burden and Loveland. Oh, oh. Um, yeah, I mean.

At the, uh, I believe it was the back end around for. Loveland, I understand. Burden, like, burden there, with Mike Evans, we have, um, 13 seasons of him being really good with Luther Burden, we have three Same thing that you said that. Three games, right? Yeah.

Joe, you forgot doing it. I don't think it's 13 though because he came in and I think it's 12. I think it's 11 because he wasn't good last year. Oh, true, true. He really, yeah. But actually, this is another guy where I watched a lot of his tape last year

because the Bucks was just a team where on Beyond the Box score on Mondays we talked about them so much because what the hell was wrong with him. And I don't know. I really didn't think he looked bad or slow or anything like that. In the beginning of the year,

he had some really tough matchups with Derek Stingley and Sauce Gardner and AJ Terrell, and then he got hurt. At the end of the year, everyone was healthy, Godwin was healthy, Evans was healthy, Macmillan was healthy, Abuka was healthy, and Baker was playing like crap. So I think he's better than what he showed, significantly better than what he showed last year.

Again, there's always the question of, well, that, yeah, I think if he were still 32, he's better than what he was last year. Is he just going to be bad now? It's 100% possible. I don't really think I took, because I think Luther Burden could score four touchdowns. It wouldn't shock me. I think Evans is

He is the Devonthe Adams In how many games? Eight Yeah so Which That to me is a flu He's the best He and Devante Adams are the best

Most Reliable touchdown scores in football They are goal line wide receivers And Purdy's going to fall in love with him In that area So He certainly could Especially if Kittles not right to start the season Right

Kiel's not going to be right all season Like Kittles coming off a torn Achilles In the playoffs offs. You know, I mean, look, what's a stupid name? Jason Tatum was great. And that matters. But I don't know. I can't really bank on Kittle being himself. Right. You're talking about a younger player in a different sport. What'd you say, Jamie? Jason Tatum's not also a 32-year-old football player. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Okay. So anyway, let's go to Chris Gobwin. Our last one. We'll do this one in a few minutes and just give me a three to five minutes on Chris Gobwin. Dave has him 34th. Heath has him 43rd. Jamie, I think they both are

too low on Chris Godwin. We are discounting Chris Godwin. Why isn't he getting a big boost from Mike Evans leaving? Chris Gobwin was hurt last year. The buck stunk last year. This is a big deal. We know what Chris Godwin can do. He's going to be great. He should be a top 30 wide receiver, Jamie. I'm so much higher on him at 32. I think there's a lot of reason to be optimistic about it. But again, you look at what the bucks were last year. I think everybody, understandably, So maybe to a fault, but is going to be excited about Emeka Abuka, much more so than Chris Godwin. And so you look at what Abuka was able to do at the start of last season. Granted, there were multiple injuries there, as you said.

But I think the thing with Godwin is, is like you have this, you know, a potential star coming into a sophomore season in Abuka. You have what was a solid finish to his rookie campaign in Jail Macmillan, who we didn't really get to see last year because of the neck injury until the end. You have the addition of Ted Hurst. You have the addition of a pass catching running back. so those easy targets that may have gone to Godwin in the past, maybe go to Kenneth Gainwell now. And so there's just a lot of mouths to feed. So I think when you look at Godwin, you know, for me, he's in the mix with the rookies. You know, Tate, Lemon, Tyson, all those guys.

They're all ranked right around each other. Alec Pierce and what his upside could be, Christian Watson and what his upside could be. Like, I think Godwin is going to probably surprise us again if he stays healthy and plays a full season. And Baker sort of bounces back as well. But I don't want to reach for Chris Godwin. No, I don't think he's a top 30 receiver, just outside that for me. Heath, why am I wrong about Chris Gobwin? I mean, it's kind of the same argument as Mike Evans.

He's 30 years old. He's played 16 games in the last two seasons combined. He was not good last year. And I'm not as confident in the Bucks' offense as I think I'm lower on Baker-Mayfield than everybody else is. I'm not as confident in the Bucs offense bouncing all the way back with yet another new offensive coordinator. He's only played more than 15 games twice in the last seven years,

and he hasn't scored more than five touchdown. in a season since 2020. Well, look, he broke his, he had a gruesome ankle fracture in week eight-ish of, of 2024. And that's why I was very nervous about him in 2025. I didn't expect him to play that well coming off of it. But in 2024, he averaged 80 yards per game, 82.3 yards per game. So this guy has, he is shown, I'm worried that they move him more outside without Evans. I don't want that.

But when he's a slot receiver, and he's healthy, he's really, really good. I think I'm going to be taking a lot of Chris Godwin, Dave. He gets a lot of targets, or at least that's the track record. And with Mike Evans gone, we can talk all day long about Jalen McMillan and Ted Hurst and KDott and all these other players that are in Tampa's offense. I think that there's a very clear path to Godwin being second on the team in targets per game. And just taking a look back, he's had one, two, three, six seasons in his

his career where he's had at least seven targets per game. And he's averaged north of 15 PPR points in, well, he had one year with 14.9. So we can say 14.9 or higher in five of those six seasons. I don't think he's going to be anywhere close to 14.9 this year, even on seven targets per game. I don't think his efficiency bounces back. But I don't know who takes his role in the slot. I think that that's exactly where they should keep him. I think he can be effective there.

I think he'll see a lot of targets there. and I think he'll still be a good number three wide receiver, not necessarily a great one, kind of one of those receivers that you settle for and not necessarily target, unless you're Adam Azer, and then you're targeting Chris Godwin and you're taking him closer to 25th

among wide receivers instead of 35th, which is pretty close to where I have them. I don't have rankings, but I would assume he'd be closer to 30 for me. I do not think he would be a top 25 wide receiver, but I also think you say second on the team in targets, It really wouldn't surprise me if he were first on the team in targets. Yeah, I agree.

And I don't know that how many guys that you're taking in that range that fit that description. Even at their, when they were at their best, there were a couple of years where Godwin was out targeting Evans, but Evans are still scoring more touchdowns. Yeah. I'm just afraid neither one of them did the rest anymore. Yeah. Fair. And it's easier to gamble on an older, you know, an older wide receiver in round seven or wherever Chris Godwin's going to go than having to do it around probably four.

with Evans. With Evans. So I get that. But looking at Dave's rankings, he has Godwin 34th. That's Alec Pierce, Cortland Sutton, Wondale Robinson,

Chris Godwin, Brian Thomas Jr., Ricky Pearsall, Carnell Tate, D.K. Metcalf. Yeah, I think I like him better than all of them,

except for maybe Carnell Tate. Who's the lowest? I have it. I have Tate, Godwin, Lemon Tyson. Yeah. All right. Well, I guess I'm a Chris Godwin guy.

You're a Chris Godwin guy. I'm glad we found your guy. I didn't know that until 10 minutes ago. Fun show, guys. Thank you very much. Next going to the championship? The Sixers are really good. I mean, I don't get seven and a half point spread tonight. Are you kidding me? The way the Sixers have Embed and Paul George is playing great and Maxie, I don't get that at all. They are, as I can painfully attest. They are really, really good. when those top three guys are healthy. Yeah. Like those are great players. The Knicks' last three games

have been probably the best three games they played all year. So I think it's going to be really good series. I'm not willing to predict that they are going to the championship. But I'll take them in seven over the Sixers. Let's go next. Okay.

Have a great day, everybody. We'll talk to on Wednesday. Fantasy football today.