Fantasy Football Today - Rankings Updates! Who's Moving Up? (05/01 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: May 1, 2023Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Dave and Jamey tell you their b...iggest rankings movers now that the NFL Draft is done. Dave has a new #1 overall player! Where is Bijan Robinson (5:00)? Then we'll talk about all of the noteworthy rookies and where they ranked including Jahmyr Gibbs (7:30), Devon Achane (12:30), the rookie wide receivers (13:40) and the rookie tight ends (16:15) and quarterbacks (19:40). Sam LaPorta is Jamey's highest ranked rookie tight end! ... How about the veteran NFL players? Who has moved up or down in the rankings? We talk about each position: QB (25:05), RB (30:30), WR (38:40) and TE (46:40). Lamar Jackson is moving up. What about D'Andre Swift? Where did we settle on Ken Walker? How does Anthony Richardson impact the Colts WRs? ... Quick thoughts (47:40) on Rashod Bateman, Rashaad Penny, Alexander Mattison, Cam Akers, Treylon Burks and more ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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We've got the biggest rankings movers in PPR in Fantasy Football for Dave and Jamie,
who are right next to me.
Hey, guys.
Woo, yeah.
It's been a while.
Yes.
I haven't been in this studio ever,
and I haven't been in this studio ever.
And I haven't been down here in this office with these guys since before the pandemic.
So it's been a while and it's good to see you.
You look the same.
You guys do too. Dave, what did you call yourself? You're a vampire?
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JB, what's up?
How are you?
I'm good.
I want to know who's moving in the rankings.
Who's moving in the rankings?
Who's the biggest rankings mover for you?
I know you guys were busy this weekend updating your rankings.
Who is the biggest riser or faller?
Are we talking about just as far as distance in the rankings?
Bijan, from nowhere to number five.
I guess that's a good point.
How about the guy that Bijan's taking over for?
Algier just fell off a rock.
Depressingly so.
Removed Josh Palmer from my top 200.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
But Bijan ended up where for you guys?
Five at running back.
Tenth overall?
Ninth overall.
Ninth overall.
And I think fifth at running back for me.
Yeah.
So you like him better than... I've asked you this on Saturday,
but didn't ask you.
You like him better than Pollard?
One spot at Pollard.
Same.
Okay.
I asked Twitter.
I hate the Zeke rumor.
That's most likely going to happen.
Yeah.
Okay.
Weird.
That's weird.
That's not good for Pollard.
Bijan Robinson or Tony Pollard, I asked on Twitter,
and right now 63% are saying... What do you think?
B. John.
It's also recency.
Yeah, but gosh, Pollard was so good.
Even when Zeke was there, he was so good.
If Zeke is back with the Cowboys,
does he have a much bigger role than Tyler Algier does on the Falcons?
No.
No.
I mean, he illustrated it pretty well that, you know,
they're going to get 550 carries out of this team.
So it's not all going to be done, unfortunately.
All right, so biggest ranking mover is basically the Falcons running backs.
Josh Palmer, do you have another name?
Not necessarily the biggest rankings mover, but I've got a new 101 in PPR.
I moved Jefferson down because of Edison.
How did you know?
Holy crap, how did you do that?
It's McCaffrey.
Okay. Yeah, risks and all, that? It's McCaffrey. Risks
and all, just such a good spot
for him. Why did you move
Jefferson down? Because of Addison being
there. His targets are going to go down for sure.
Do you think so? No way.
First of all, they had to go down.
They had 182 targets
last year. So that number's going to go down
anyway. I don't think so. And now Jordan Addison
is there to take some work away and it's a
full year of Hawkinson. He's not
worth the 101. I'll take McCaffrey.
Alright, well let's see.
You're still on Jefferson? A thousand percent.
And then McCaffrey too? McCaffrey.
Who's three? Three is Cup.
Cup's my three as well. So
great. That's interesting.
I mean, full year of Hawkinson that
maybe they run the ball a little bit more.
They were super pass-heavy last year.
184 targets for Jefferson.
107 for Thielen in 17 games.
So Osborne had 90 in 17 games.
86 for Hawkinson in 10 games.
How many targets for Addison?
What do you think?
100.
He's basically replacing Thielen.
107 for Thielen. But he's more explosive than Thielen. Sure. Of course basically replacing Thielen. 107 for Thielen.
But he's more explosive than Thielen.
I'm sure.
Of course.
I hope so.
All right.
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He's dealing with targets, but he's getting the same as the other guy who just left.
No, we've got a more efficient wide receiver opposite him who can make plays.
I don't know if he's going to be more efficient as a rookie than what Thielen has been.
Not what Thielen was last year.
Thielen was pretty bad last year. 70 catches, 716 yards,
six touchdowns for Thielen. Addison's got to be better than that.
I expect him to be better than that. I don't think it's coming at the expense of Justin Jefferson, who's going to
be looking for a contract after this year. He's getting a contract after this year. I don't think
he's going to worry about that. He's going to go nuts.
He could have a down year,
and he'll still be top three highest paid wide receiver.
It's probably fair.
Yeah.
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We are, yes.
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Okay, let's talk about where the rookies are ranked.
So I know Bijan Robinson is fifth overall for you guys.
Let me just make the case
for him to be ahead of
Saquon Barkley.
What do you think about this?
So Saquon Barkley.
I consider it.
Last year.
Okay, why?
I'll go over the numbers,
but tell me why.
Because of the uncertainty
with Barkley,
the fact that he's younger
than Barkley,
the fact that we've seen
these rookies come in
and just be absolutely,
just ridiculously productive.
Yeah.
And so he could be that guy.
He's got the potential.
He's got the system.
He's got clearly the backing of everybody, owner, coach.
You know, I can't imagine anybody's going to be upset with Bijan.
So it would not surprise me by the time we get to August, he's at him.
I can't rule it out.
It's certainly a possibility that he'll be better than Saquon Barkley.
Yeah.
Because Barkley, what I was going to say is he was RB5 per game last year.
But, yeah, but it's kind of a bad year for running backs. You take those sameley, what I was going to say is he's RB five per game last year, but, or, uh,
yeah,
but it's kind of a bad year for running backs.
You take those same numbers,
17.6 points per game,
2021.
He's RB nine,
2020 is RB eight.
So he'd have to do a little bit better than he did last year.
And maybe he could,
but you got to think they're going to throw the ball more.
Right.
I don't know if that means good things.
Arthur Smith said that the Falcons are going to throw more.
No,
I mean,
I know what you meant.
I'm just trying to tell you what Arthur Smith is lying about in his best conference.
Yeah, so just a thought about that.
I don't know how Barkley is affected by Darren Waller, Jalen Hobbit.
To be honest, I could see myself putting Bichon too.
Wow.
Because Eckler, 28.
Sure.
You know, again, uncertainty.
Jonathan Taylor, rookie quarterback.
You know, last year was frustrating.
The whole team.
The question is, what role in the passing game does Bijan have?
I don't think it's going to be huge, but I wouldn't rule out 40 catches.
I don't think he's getting north of 50 in this offense.
But you heard Arthur Smith say slot, play him in slot.
There was a report about him being the best receiver in Texas,
just in terms of his hands.
But we hear that all the time, and we get fooled by it every single time.
Dalvin Cook's going to play more in the slot.
This guy's going to play more in the slot.
Yeah, that never happens for running backs.
It never happens to the extent that, I mean, even McCaffrey,
he doesn't play that much, as we've heard the expectations for.
So I don't think that's something
you want to buy into but I do think that it's it's just makes a ton of sense to put the ball
in his hands as much as you possibly can especially with you know an experienced quarterback if he
gets four targets per game that's probably an upgrade over what the running backs had last
year for Atlanta and so that could be part of what Arthur Smith was saying maybe it wasn't like
that's how they throw a little bit more is by using Bichon there. 40 between 40 and 50 catches is totally reasonable for Bichon.
Jameer Gibbs. Let's talk about him. You guys have him 23rd for Jamie, 25th for Dave.
This is PPR. I predict he will be higher than this.
I feel like he's going to move up specifically in PPR.
And you know what? I think we'll get into the Eagle situation in a little bit.
I think one of the arguments we're going to have,
maybe the Bears situation,
depending on how you feel about Foreman versus Herbert,
is maybe talent versus veteran role,
specifically here with Detroit.
Because it's been a pretty underwhelming career, I think,
for David Montgomery.
He's in a very good situation now.
Gibbs, I mean, you were just saying someone said they like Gibbs better.
Yeah, and a lot of people do, I think.
A lot of people like Gibbs better than Bijan Robinson.
So this guy could be super talented.
You guys kept him out of your top 20 for now.
Do you both have Montgomery?
Oh, back-to-back for Jamie.
Gibbs, then Montgomery.
Yeah, I still have Montgomery.
All right, so let's just talk about this, guys.
Gibbs is 23 for Jamie 25 for
for you Dave um how could you see him eventually moving ahead of Miles Sanders Cam Akers JK Dobbins
guys like that of course all right so lay that situation out for me like why is he 25th now
because I am probably ranking him closer to the downside and the floor rather than the upside. Because his upside is insane.
If we look at his upside, it's he wipes David Montgomery off the field.
He's an every down back for the Lions.
They use him.
We're talking about four targets a game for Bijan.
We might see five targets per game for Jameer Gibbs.
And if he's getting 12 to 15 carries on top of that, I mean, he's going to be in line
to have a huge year if he gets that type of workload.
But I'm a little bit worried.
They also added Montgomery, and I know they like Montgomery.
And they had these rules last year for their running backs
where one guy was the hammer and one guy was the lightning.
And I think that they've upgraded on the lightning,
certainly as far as availability goes.
And I think technically they've upgraded on the hammer too.
And so both of these guys I think are going to end up playing all year long.
You know, there'll be games to miss here and there, nobody stays healthy for 17 games,
but I think Montgomery has a huge edge on touchdowns. Just looking at the track record
of Gibbs at the goal line, both at Alabama and at Georgia tech and sharing at Alabama and Georgia
tech makes me nervous to say, all right, yeah, they're just going to shove it all on his plate.
Like Montgomery is going to have to suck, which really isn't that far of a
bridge to walk with Montgomery because
we've seen it before. We always talk about
capital and investment, right?
This is when we're having our financial
discussion.
Good, I need to talk about my 401k.
They've had Montgomery
on the roster
now for a few weeks,
a month and a half.
Something had to say, we have to go get Jameer Gibbs.
Like, not wait for Jameer Gibbs.
Go get Jameer Gibbs.
And they said they would have taken him at six.
So they are in love with this kid for whatever reason
and whatever role he's going to get.
He is going to get the football.
We can guess why they love him.
Why? Because he's explosive. Yeah, he's going to get the football. We can guess why they love him. Why?
Because he's explosive.
Yeah, but what I'm saying is –
And they can use him in any situation.
This wasn't like, okay, they needed a replacement for a physical running back
because that's what Jamal Williams was.
And so, look, we all consider and say 17 touchdowns,
David Montgomery's not getting that.
They're probably not scoring 17 rushing touchdowns again.
But do those 17 rushing touchdowns, however, they, you know, to,
to the passing game, you know, where they go, you know,
cause Derek Goff had some bad luck last year.
So that's maybe what four or five touchdowns let's just say,
be realistic that that ends up if it's,
if it's just the exact same number and I know I'm,
I'm a little confused total touchdowns from the running back 17 rushing
touchdowns that Jamal Williams have, where do they get dispersed?
If they're repl replicated, right?
A lot of them I think would go to Montgomery.
But I do think, and we've talked about this a lot.
How many?
Do you remember the number?
Was it like six, seven?
Eight to a golf stat?
Yes.
Eight passes down to the one-yard line.
Only one of them was followed up by a golf touchdown.
Okay, so eight of those.
So let's say four, right?
Just be fair.
Four goal-to-the-passing game.
Oh, okay. So we're taking four away from Paul's running back. Oh, but Gibbs be fair. Four goals to the passing game.
We're taking four away from Paulson running back.
Oh, but Gibbs could get one of them in the passing game. That's what I'm saying.
Montgomery's ceiling is probably
10 touchdowns. I think if you want to say
that's a fair number for a guy that's
never done that before. To get to
17 touchdowns is just ridiculous.
I think Jameer Gibbs is going to come in.
He's going to take a lot of those rushing downs.
DeAndre Swift, like you said, availability,
he averaged five and a half yards per carry, you know,
so Gibbs is just as explosive and you give him the health factor.
If he stays on the field, he could be a superstar.
So yeah, I, the one that I struggle with, like,
I like Dobbins better just because I think he's going to dominate the
carries there in an offense.
It's going to get better.
Rashad white.
I struggle with, I have him right now ranked ahead of Gibbs because he's a solo actor.
And Canmakers.
Those are the two that I struggle with.
What about James Conner?
Conner's behind for me because I just think that team's going to be terrible.
Me too.
And I've got a Gibbs, White, Conner,
and then Montgomery is ahead of Dobbs for now.
All right.
Number three running back for you ended up being A-Chain or Charbonnet or what?
For 2023? It's going to end up being A-Chain or Charbonnet or what? For 2023?
It's going to end up being A-Chain.
This is, by the way, not really going to talk Dynasty today.
I'll let you guys do that tomorrow.
But who's the number three rookie running back?
It's Charbonnet.
Charbonnet?
Yeah.
I'll take A-Chain.
Let me ask you about A-Chain.
I don't know if he gets a lot of playing time this year.
That's the thing.
Without an injury.
Which could easily happen.
We're excited about him, but he is small.
Right.
Like, we're talking about Gibbs being
small. We didn't even mention that.
Gibbs weighed 15 more pounds than A-Chain did
at the combine, something like that.
We'll see how it plays out.
I love that fit
for Miami. I hate the fit
for Charbonnet.
I hate
the crowd in Seattle.
The fit for Charbonnet is actually not bad.
Totally.
But I just, you know, Kenneth Walker could be blocking him.
We just don't know how much he'll be blocking him.
Did they crack your top 40?
Everybody after the top two is in a bad situation.
Unless, unless Mixon's gone and Chase Brown's the guy.
Like, that's the one thing.
Or Kamara's suspended and Kendrick Miller gets an opportunity.
Something could happen to Moser or Jeff Wilson,
and that elevates A-chain.
Totally, but you're talking about two guys that have a history there
with the coach, and I don't see them completely disappearing.
Did they crack your top 40?
No.
Okay.
All right, so let's move on to the wide receivers here.
Addison, your favorite for 2023?
Yeah. And how high did you rank him? Number one overall. In the 30s. All right, so let's move on to the wide receivers here. Addison, your favorite? For 2023, yeah.
And how high did you rank him?
Number one overall.
In the 30s.
42, I'm seeing for JV. You're not going to see mine.
I haven't updated it yet, but he'll be up there.
All right, 42.
Heath has him 28th.
That's ahead of Calvin Ridley right now.
Now, I know if Heath were here, I have a feeling he'd say,
these are my projections.
I'll go through the rankings and adjust after that.
But right now, it's Deontay Johnson, George Pickens, Jordan Addison,
Calvin Ridley.
Was that a snot wipe I just saw?
No, it was an itch.
You okay?
Yeah, I'm good.
You got a cooler?
No, I'm fine.
Calvin Ridley, Jahan Dots.
He also dropped Jefferson, as I'm looking at.
Did he?
As a receiver ranking.
Jamar Chase ahead of Jefferson right now.
Jefferson is not going to be impacted by Addison
unless Addison has incredible rookie season.
Who else is going to catch passes for them?
It's going to be very...
Hawkinson.
That's the guy who I think is going to suffer.
I agree with that too,
but he's still going to be there.
I had a hard time keeping him at the third tight end.
Oh, he's not going to be at the third tight end.
Yeah, you'll get him out of there by then.
It's hard this time.
Everybody else behind him stinks too. That's true. Remember I said that. It's going to be a big debate's not going to be third tight end. Yeah, you'll get him out of there by then. It's hard to see everybody else behind him.
That's true.
Remember I said that.
It's going to be a big debate who's going to be number three.
I think Addison belongs in the mid-30s.
You'll draft him as a low-end number three receiver.
But I think he's going to be like 75 catches, 900 yards,
and six touchdowns his entire career,
as long as Jefferson is healthy in Minnesota.
Would you rather have a Steelers receiver or Addison?
I think there's more upside with the Steelers receivers.
Deontay for sure.
Okay, would you rather have Michael Pittman or Addison?
I'd rather have Addison.
I don't like what's happening in Indy for Pittman and Pierce.
I think we're seeing Pittman make more plays down the field.
What's the highest...
I'm sorry, I don't want to spend too much
time on this. The other wide receivers.
Any other rookie wide receivers?
When's the mock draft?
Tuesday.
How many of them are going to get drafted
in the first 10 rounds, top 120?
I think Addison
does. I think Smith and Jigba does.
I think
Zay is going to.
Yes.
And Quentin Johnson, maybe.
So I'm going to give you guys.
Because people are getting excited about new options.
Who leads the Ravens in receiving at wide receiver?
I think I asked this on, I don't know when I asked this,
but who's the best wide receiver on the Ravens this year?
Zay.
I would say Zay is the best wide receiver on them,
but I have a feeling you're going to see Odell Beckham get four starts.
And Bateman.
I think Bateman's the biggest loser of the group.
Yeah.
All right.
We didn't do quarterbacks.
We did them last tight ends.
Any tight ends, any rookie tight ends?
You know, I mean, Kincaid's going to,
I think Kincaid will end up being a top 12 tight end just because
of where he's playing and what
his role will be. He's not my favorite
though. Oh, that's interesting.
So I
struggle with Laporta because
I love his ability
as a pass catcher. I don't
think he's that far off. I think
he's a little slower than Kincaid, but I don't think he's that far off. I think he's a little slower than Kincaid,
but I don't think he's that far off.
But is there a target crunch in Detroit?
Not the first six games.
Not the first six games?
Okay.
I can buy into that.
You think he's going to have an impact
in the first six games of his career?
It's pretty rare for a tight end.
I don't think impact.
None of these guys are top 12 guys.
Even 15.
Yeah, none of these guys are top 12 guys.
It just takes them too long.
The best of the best of the best even struggle.
We've seen it over the past few years.
Yeah, I mean, Pitts with the touchdowns certainly struggle.
Yeah, I mean, look.
But that's where I think Kincaid is going to have a lot of success.
They throw so many touchdowns.
They do, but again, he's got a numbers crunch with Diggs and Davis
and still Knox there.
I mean, they're not taking Knox off the field.
They're going to run more two tight end sets.
He is not a blocker.
Knox is a blocker.
Right.
How does that affect Kincaid?
They're using Knox as a blocker.
It impacts.
It means he gets more targets.
This was another guy that depressingly had to take out of my top two.
It was Khalil Shakir.
I was excited for his opportunity this year, and I don't think he's going to materialize
because he's going to be a big slot is what's going to happen with Kincaid.
So I think that's where Kincaid has an opportunity.
But again, I just think it's, is he going to get the, like, you have really lofty expectations
for him.
No, I have really low expectations for most tight ends.
Gotcha.
So I will put the guy, because like, this is basically because Dawson Knox has been
a top 12 tight end per game, two straight years.
So I think, and his production has been horrible. He hasn't even gotten to 600 yards, but he's had
enough touchdowns to get top 12 per game. Okay. I think Kincaid can maybe get to 850 yards. No,
I don't even think he can get that. He's a much better player than Knox, but, but a much better
receiver, much better receiver than Knox, totally much better. But again, it's where he's coming
from on the field.
Yeah, I don't have a problem with that, though. I think it's a good thing.
If they're just going to use Knox more as a blocker,
and I do think he's coming off the field, Knox,
because I think if they're going in one tight end sets on third down,
I think that's going to be Kincaid.
If they're not using one-two block, yes.
I think that it just gives their offense so much more flexibility
from game to game.
Yeah.
And I don't think there's going to be –
I don't think there's necessarily any consistency with anybody in Buffalo's offense,
other than Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 1 That's fine. I don't need to question from
week to week. Your tight end eight is not going to be a consistent player. No, I didn't
eat overall. He's not going to be ranked that high. No, but I'm saying I can see him finishing
that high because it's not hard to finish. He's got, he's got to get to probably eight
touchdowns. Yeah. And that's the thing i'm betting on his ability to get there i really more
than laporta's more than yeah there's more than joan johnson's more than david nijoku's you know
that's that's all right it's a bet on it's a gamble on touchdowns and i do think him being
older maybe helps him transition what about the lack of experience? Two years playing mostly as the number two tight end at Utah
after being the number one tight end at the University of San Diego.
I don't know.
And only one year at high school.
That doesn't bother me.
Okay.
That doesn't bother me.
He's 40 years old.
He's a quarterback.
Hopefully his bat holds up, too.
I think someone's going to take a stab on Kincaid late in every single draft.
Who's your highest-ranked quarterback of the rookies? Richardson. He's top ten. Agreed. He's ten for me. Oh, Kincaid late in every single draft. Who's your highest ranked quarterback of the rookies?
Richardson. He's top 10.
Agreed.
Oh, my God.
He's 10th.
Wow. And you think that he's just going to start week one?
I think he's going to start week one.
And really, it's just a bet on his upside with the caveat,
with the caveat, Adam, that you're going to take another quarterback with him.
And we've talked about how many solid quarterbacks there are that you can get
in the later rounds from Aaron Rodgers to Dak Cousins, Tua,
if you want to take Tua and ride that train.
That's very risky.
Russell Wilson.
Yeah, oh, I agree.
But, I mean, that's where all the upside is.
And even if you miss on both those guys, you can go to the waiver wire
and find somebody.
It just depends on your league.
If everybody's taking Tua, I don't think you want to go Richardson and Tua.
I mean, Jamie, you guys both have him back-to-back with Deshaun Watson.
Jamie has Richardson one spot ahead of Watson.
Dave one spot behind Watson.
I mean, I could never do that.
Deshaun Watson, top five quarterback, top six per game,
three straight years.
Last year was a mess, obviously.
But, you know, he can can run too he's deshaun
watson if he can if he can find that version of deshaun watson but even now i'm playing into what
he's but when have the best mobile quarterbacks been good as rookies for fantasy they haven't
watson was one of those guys well he barely played but he was no rg3 was amazing all right that's a
long time ago right but those guys threw the ball well, Deshaun Watson especially.
I mean, he threw the ball.
He threw so many touchdowns that year.
Lamar Jackson wasn't really fantasy.
It was not really that.
Well, he was a gimmick.
Yeah, that's eight games.
Jalen Hurts as a rookie wasn't great, but then his first year as a starter,
his first year as a starter, he finished top 12.
There's a big difference, I think.
Right, and that's what I'm expecting for Richardson.
Kyler Murray was like borderline top 12.
Justin Fields was awful.
Yes, but it was also a terrible offense.
Yeah, I mean, I understand ranking him 10th because it's almost like Trey Lance last year, right?
Yes, it's the exact same thing.
You don't take him as your only quarterback, but you know the upside.
Right.
All right, that's interesting.
Barely a top 100 pick, but top 20.
Anyone else make your top 20?
The rookies?
Young and Stroud in that order, just behind it.
I don't think Young made
it for me. Young's 26, for me
Stroud's 27.
You said top 20.
Jamie's mad at me for not doing the rookie draft tomorrow.
What are you doing instead?
I'm on vacation. As soon as this show's over, I'm on vacation.
If I were in the rookie draft and I had 101 in a super flex league,
I would take Bryce Young over Richardson.
Ooh.
At 101.
Oh, no.
I would take Bijan.
And then I would take –
Right.
So there's going to be some – and this is an interesting subject
because there are going to be some people that need a quarterback
in a 2QB or a super flex.
Yeah.
And they don't want to take the risk on Richardson,
but they can't afford to take Bijan.
And so they're going to go and they're going to take Bryce Young
because he's the safest of those quarterbacks.
Right.
And that's sort of a dynasty redraft thing.
I feel like I'm sitting here and I'm telling you what to do
with your dynasty team.
If you miss that pick on Richardson, if he doesn't hit,
that's a really bad pick in dynasty.
It's one thing to do it in redraft.
You can go to the way of the wire.
I mean, everybody did it with Lance.
Yeah.
Right.
But Lance wasn't the one-on-one.
So in Dynasty, though.
No, but in a super flex league, he was.
He was a first rounder, for sure.
He was a top four pick.
Yeah.
He was up there.
So in Dynasty, are you going Richardson or Young?
Richardson, without a question.
But you see the conundrum there is that there's so much at stake.
Right.
With that Dynasty pick.
It's really tough to take Richardson.
He's like, screw it.
I mean, that's kind of what fantasy is all about is to go with the upside.
If he hits, he's generational potentially.
Yeah.
I mean, that's –
And even if he's not generational, he can still be productive for fantasy.
Do you feel that way about Bryce Young?
He's the number one overall pick here.
He was a great in college.
He's tiny.
He's so small.
He's generational.
I think I'm worried about him finishing regularly as QB 10.
Okay.
From year to year.
Okay.
And definitely this year, I don't want,
his receiving core scares the you know what out of me.
Yeah.
There's a lot of that.
All right.
I have no idea how long we've been on the air.
It's been like 25 minutes or so.
In the corner, it says 23 minutes.
Oh, okay.
Let's take a break.
When we come back,
we will talk about the rankings movers amongst the veterans.
Okay, Lamar Jackson's up with DeAndre Swift, up or down.
I don't even know if this is good or bad for him.
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rankings movers amongst the veterans here.
Lamar Jackson signs the deal with Baltimore
and then they draft Zay Flowers in
round one. They've also added Odell Beckham.
And then there's, I don't know, maybe Antonio Brown.
Nothing.
Okay.
Lamar Jackson is a – okay, where do you end up for you guys now?
First of all, I'd like to announce that I'm signing with the Ravens also.
Congratulations.
I moved Jackson ahead of Fields.
I'm debating him versus Burrow, but he's top four, top five.
He's already there for me.
He's three.
You got him at three.
I'm sorry, four.
Four.
Okay.
And Fields ahead of Burrow, too.
Is it because of Zay Flowers?
Is it because of Beckham?
It's because of all the above.
I mean, I think I said it on a previous show.
Once he signs his deal, I'll be all Beckham.
Right, but that's putting him ahead of Joe Burrow.
There's more upside.
At this position of all others, it's just so easy to shoot for upside.
As Dave said, there's just a lot of quarterbacks.
Okay.
Is there, though?
Because last year, that was a full of us, right?
You're right.
You're right.
Last year, quarterbacks stunk.
But, again, it stunk, and yet there was a Geno Smith to fall back on.
There was a Jared Goff to fall back on.
But those guys didn't produce like Hurts and Mahomes.
No, totally.
Of course not.
Of course not.
But Hurts wasn't being drafted as a top four guy last year.
He was just outside that.
Burrow was just outside that.
You know, so Herbert flopped.
I mean, Lamar Jackson flopped.
Yeah.
You know, so you have to understand there's risks.
Of course.
But if they hit to where they're capable of, you win your league.
Here's why I'm comfortable with Lamar.
Number one, the long-term deal tells me that he's not going to get nervous
about playing if he has a minor injury.
Number two, I like the Todd Monk and I are at offensive coordinator.
And just look at the moves the Ravens have made this offseason.
Adding Odell, drafting Zay Flowers with their first pick,
and they went crazy for him.
I mean, every team does this.
But they just went nuts about Zay Flowers in the draft room when they took him.
I think they're gearing up toward letting Lamar Jackson throw more,
get him in a system that he's comfortable with,
and they haven't added anything at running back, have they?
They've kept it kind of the same.
Well, they've got Dobbins and then behind him.
Gus.
Is Gus still on the roster? Yes. It's good got Dobbins and then behind him. Gus. Is Gus still on the roster?
Yes.
It's good for Dobbins.
I think it's really good for Dobbins.
It's exciting.
Okay, so the other day I asked you,
would you rather have Geno Smith or Dak Prescott?
And your response was, come on!
I know Geno Smith.
Ask me again.
Geno or Dak?
Come on!
He was better than Dak last year.
By the way, the last time I asked you this, they had not drafted Zach Charbonnet.
They had just had Jackson Smith and Jigba.
So they had Jackson Smith and Jigba, and then you got Dak with Mike McCarthy
saying, you know, I don't want to have the number one offense in football.
I want to have the number one teammate.
He sort of, I don't want to say backtracked, clarified a little bit.
And then when he was asked at the
owners meetings about how do you replace Zeke,
and he said, I think
because he was trying to backtrack off of what he
said in his previous press conference,
the, I don't know if it was
a pre-free agency press conference, whatever it was,
it's
going to be distributed in the passing game as much as it is
Pollard. So I don't think Dak's going to
have a problem. Alright, so Gino, I know people are going to take Dak over Gino,
but where did he end up for you?
And then I guess the last time we spoke about him was they take Jackson,
Smith, and Jig, but now they take Zach Charbonnet.
So, Jamie, with all said and done, what does that mean for you?
So Gino for me was in the Daniel Jones, Derek Goff grouping,
right behind the Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers group.
So that's like right around 18th, 19th, 20th.
He was like 16, 17.
Yeah.
So in that range.
Where you got him now?
Now he's, I think, 14.
And it's kind of like an asterisk because if Kyler's healthy, I'll put Kyler ahead of him just because I think, you know, what he should be able to do.
But I think, you know, if you're just looking at it, because I don't think Gino's going to all of a sudden turn into a running quarterback. Rodgers, Cousins, Gino, I think
those guys right there, all relatively the same. So Gino went from a quarterback that might get
drafted in every redraft league to a guy that definitely will get drafted in every single
league. And he's in that batch of QBs that you can pair with Anthony Richardson. You can pair with,
you know, if you want to have a second quarterback with Deshaun Watson
or Lamar Jackson even.
He's in that group, but he's toward the bottom of it.
There's still more upside with Dak, with Cousins, with Tua than with Geno.
But Geno's worth drafting for sure.
Any other quarterbacks make big moves for you guys?
Big moves?
Yeah, in the rankings.
Or even small moves.
The only thing I can think of that might be considered, it's just a move, not a big move, is the rankings. Not really. Or even small. The only thing I can think of that might be considered,
it's just a move, not a big move, is Kyler.
A, if he's on the pup list to begin the season,
you can draft him and stash him,
and then you've got a free waiver claim to go add somebody else.
And if they don't trade DeAndre Hopkins,
it's a pretty nice receiving core for him to come back to.
With a defense, it's absolutely atrocious.
So he might have to throw a bunch when he comes back. And apparently he's on track.
Okay. Heath had Deshaun Watson up in his rankings.
Where'd he put him? He put him... Let me guess. 11th.
Wait, that's up for him? I guess so. Alright. I got Deshaun
9th. Their first pick was a wide receiver. They didn't have a pick until the third round. They took Cedric
Tillman out of Tennessee. Yeah, if he's healthy, he's
not bad. He was good in
2021 when he was playing. It's a very good group.
You know, Elijah Moore.
Yeah, yeah. Cooper's obviously still
playing at a very high level, and the Joker's
a solid tight end. David Bell's
not a bad fourth option.
Alright, let's go to running back.
So, DeAndre Swift... I guess
DPJ would be the fourth option. Bell's probably not fifth. I didn't get a chance to ask you. Depends on Tillman back. So DeAndre Swift. I guess DPJ would be the fourth option.
I was probably not fifth.
I didn't get a chance to ask you.
Depends on Tillman's health.
DeAndre Swift, good or bad for his fans?
Fantastic.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Before the NFL draft.
That's an oh, yeah.
Let's take it back to Wednesday when they didn't have Jameer Gibbs.
So Montgomery and Swift, and now he's Swift and Penny.
It's absolutely great in that system.
All right, so where is he in the rankings?
So he's in that, just outside of top 24, I think a high in flex.
He's got to clearly prove that he can stay on the field and stay healthy,
but he's going behind still one of the best offensive lines in football.
You know touchdowns are going to be an issue because of Jalen Hurts.
And look, whatever Penny has to offer, Penny might be better than him
and may stay on the field more than him,
but we know Penny just has a hard time staying healthy.
But this is as great a landing spot as you could ask for.
You know, just given the opening, given the system, he's in a contract year.
So you've got to hope the Josh Jacobs, Saquon Barkley effect sort of takes hold.
He's explosive.
He's great.
He just has to stay on the field and be used, I think, in a way that can sort of highlight his abilities.
And I think Philadelphia will do that.
So I love this situation.
They can highlight his abilities. Does that mean Philadelphia will do that. So I love this situation. They can highlight his abilities.
Does that mean that they give him a lot of opportunities?
And I think that just comes down to how all the other running backs
are doing in that offense.
I don't think they're ever going to put him in a spot,
unless they're just short on talent, where he's getting 15-plus touches a game.
I think if he stays healthy, he's getting 15-plus touches a game.
I don't know what his role is.
Well, what's the floor role?
He's working passing downs because he can do that.
He can be an airbag in that offense.
He's never going to score any short yardage touchdowns.
He was running back targets in the NFL last year.
I think they've improved there with Swift.
Probably.
I don't see why you trade for him if you don't.
I think he's worth the round seven risk.
He's going to go before them.
He might, but I don't know if I'd be ready to go.
This is what I was talking about.
I don't know if I'm ready to go higher. I think he's going to go before them. He might, but I don't know if I'd be ready to go. This is what I was talking about. I don't know if I'm ready to go higher.
Where he's so good. I think he's so
good. He is. And it's not hard
for me to see him being a top 12 running back. If he stays
healthy, he is going to obliterate round
seven. Yeah. If he stays
healthy, he obliterates round three.
Quite possible. I don't know.
That's the thing, because Sanders stayed healthy last
year, and he's a good running back, but it's just not.
So imagine Miles Sanders with receptions.
But fewer carries, you'd think.
If we're talking about ceiling, that's.
Yeah, it's weird.
DeAndre Swift playing 17 games.
Last year it was a great offense for a running back,
but it was a bad fantasy offense for running backs
because they didn't throw to them,
because Hurts scored all the rushing touchdowns,
and randomly Boston Scott and Kenneth Gainwell would get a short yardage
touchdown or something.
Yeah.
Always against the G-men.
All right.
He was 22nd in PPR points per game last year, Miles Sanders.
You have to imagine on the ceiling projection for DeAndre Swift
that he's much higher than that.
But we're almost – when you say that ceiling,
that's almost just assuming, decent assumption,
that Rashad Penny gets hurt, right?
Well, I mean, I think that has to be baked into the ceiling.
Well, it's also, again, you talk investment.
It's almost fantasy land to talk about his ceiling,
because it's not going to happen.
They gave Penny pennies.
Yeah.
And so to go out and target DeAndre Swift
when things went south for him in the draft.
But did you know, I think Schefter tweeted this, they traded a fourth round pick for him.
In 2025.
If they let him walk, they will probably get a fourth round pick.
Oh, it's a genius move.
It's a genius move.
It's going to be a free.
And this is not the first time they've done this.
It's not a huge investment.
That's my point.
No, but it's a bigger investment than it is for a shot at pennies.
They did this with Jordan Howard coming off of the end of his rookie deal,
and they did it with Jay Ajayi a year before,
so he had two years left on his rookie deal.
So this is a path that they've actually followed before.
It's had a lot of success for them.
I just think, you know, they – whatever –
maybe they thought they were going to get Jameer Gibbs.
Maybe they thought that things were going to fall differently for them,
Charbonnet, whoever was going to be in the draft.
As soon as they saw that move, Howie Roseman, genius.
Just go out and get somebody who's available that's got, again, huge upside.
So I love this.
And paid nothing for him.
So Pacheco is someone that Heath had as a riser.
And would you rather have Swift or Pacheco?
Because no competition added for him.
Right now, Pacheco, but it's close.
Agreed.
Who's catching the passes for the Chiefs out of the backfield?
Travis Kelsey.
There's Tony.
Doesn't matter.
You can say anything.
Travis Kelsey's catching everything.
Where did you settle on Ken Walker?
20 behind.
Right in front of Gibbs.
Round three.
Right in front of Gibbs.
Round three.
22 for Jamie.
No, don't even look at mine because it's not updated yet.
All right. So that's Rashad White.
I won't take him around.
Ken Walker, Jameer Gibbs.
What do you think about that?
Say it again?
Rashad White, Ken Walker, Jameer Gibbs.
I would take him over White today.
There's still really good talent there,
and everything's improved in Seattle.
Including the backup.
I was about to say, you beat me to it. The only thing that didn't improve is Including the backup. Right. I was about to say, you beat me to it.
The only thing that didn't improve is his situation because they've got now
two rookie backup running backs.
McIntosh isn't as talented as Charbonnet.
And neither one of them are necessarily like,
blow off the barn doors.
Eat something further.
Walker?
Yeah,
he's gotten 26.
Yeah,
I'm,
I'm probably,
I don't think it's probably.
I'm definitely interested in getting both Walker and Charbonnet.
And if I can get Walker in round four and Charbonnet in seven,
somewhere in that range, I'll love that.
I'll take the duo of Pete Carroll's running backs for the balance of the season.
That's an RB2.
Just got to figure out which one each week is going to be the guy.
Walker will get the first chance.
David Montgomery,
up or down? Down. Way down.
Well, okay, because he had
DeAndre Swift to compete with. Now he has Jameer Gibson.
Right, so now he's got a healthier
Justice Explosive
passing downs guy. And that's if
he doesn't get pushed out. Ken Walker or David Montgomery?
Walker.
Walker.
Okay, how about Kamara or Montgomery? You know, I'm not going to do any Kamaras.
Everybody's going to pass on Kamara, and he might end up being the best value
on draft day. Connor or Montgomery? Montgomery.
Why do you guys like Rashad White but not James Connor?
That's a thing.
That's a, that's a legitimate answer,
but you can see the similarities because the Bucs might be terrible.
And what, I don't know.
I don't think they'll be as bad as Arizona.
And what happens to Conner when the Cardinals are down 21,
nothing at halftime.
He catches a bunch of passes.
He could.
Like he did last year.
Or they find somebody else to do it.
But they don't have anyone.
But they don't have anyone else. Not right now, they don't.
You can't hold that against Connor and not hold that against White. You could say the same thing.
That's true. Maybe the Bucks bring in a veteran.
Let's see. The Chicago running back. So he's had the Chicago running backs down.
Down or up? He put them as down.
I think Foreman's down, but not Herbert.
Put Rashawn Johnson.
They're going to use two backs.
It's as simple as that.
Most fourth-round running backs are not Damian Pierce.
They're Zamir White and Hassan Haskins.
They don't do much.
I wouldn't be surprised if Foreman's still their best runner.
Yeah.
I hate to argue with Heath's rankings when he's not here.
He has Joe Mixon up. So
what do you guys think about Joe Mixon?
I mean, look, if he
gets through June 1st
and he's still on the team,
you've got to be pretty excited about it from what
his production can be because he's still the lead guy
on this team that's going to score a lot of points.
Right now, I think
I'll speak for myself,
you're just expecting something to happen.
15th for all of you right now, by the way.
Because of everything that's been said, you know,
Duke Tobin at the Combine saying, we'll see.
You know, somebody else in their front office also saying, you know,
for now I think, you know, was the answer in terms of he's on the team.
Zach Taylor, when I asked him, was a little bit more defensive, you know,
saying he's been great for us.
He's in the weight room all the time, all this typical coach speak.
But, I mean, they did not draft anybody until the fifth round.
And so as much upside as Chase Brown might have,
and he's somebody that you should definitely be looking at in your second round maybe,
but third round if he's there for sure in your rookie only draft,
because if he does get an opportunity this year,
forget about whatever role it is,
back up to Joe Mixon would be the most likely situation to still on the team.
If he shows anything, then maybe 2024 could be the guy.
At wide receiver, you guys have the Colts wide receivers
as being impacted by this.
They drafted Anthony Richardson fourth overall.
They also drafted UNC wide receiver Josh Downs
in the third round.
He's a smaller guy, 5'10", 170 pounds.
He's their new slot receiver.
And they drafted actually a lot of offense, two offensive tackles,
one around four, one around seven.
Tight end Will Mallory out of Miami in round five.
So up or down for Michael Pittman, Dave?
I went down because I think that they're going to be able to run a little bit more.
They will run more with Anthony Richardson.
Why would they waste that element of his game?
And Jonathan Taylor will be healthy, so he'll run a bunch.
And I think Downs is going to take targets away.
He's good in the slot, or at least he was in North Carolina.
I would expect him to be that short area guy for Richardson to lean on
moving forward, and that just means fewer targets for Pierce,
fewer targets for Pittman.
Pittman already wasn't a dynamo in the red zone like we think he should be.
Big physical wide receiver.
That dude should be getting red zone targets every game.
He didn't before.
I don't know if that changes now with the new offense.
But when they're inside the five, he might be like the third option,
fourth option for them besides running with Richardson or Taylor.
So I'm really worried about the touchdowns,
and I'm worried about the targets too.
So down for me. I just'm really worried about the touchdowns, and I'm worried about the targets too. So down for me.
I just kind of left him where he was,
which was outside my top 24 to begin with.
So he's just inside the top 30 for me.
But I do think that this is a much better situation for his ADOT,
for his downfield opportunities.
I mean, he was just so bad because of how ineffective
this entire offense was last season.
And so now you have a guy that can put the ball down the field.
And he really never had that.
I mean, Phillip Rivers at the end of his career was probably his best quarterback in terms of that.
But better blocking, better run game.
We know how things break down when a mobile quarterback moves out of the pocket.
And so I don't think Pittman necessarily loses from where his production could be.
I think he just gets a little transfer a little bit different.
I think yards will be better.
I think catches will be done.
I agree with Dave.
I think target's going to be impacted.
But I think this is going to,
if,
and again,
I'm banking on Richardson.
So if I'm banking on Richardson,
this is still his best receiver.
Well,
that's the question you're banking on Richardson,
but you're banking on rushing totals from Richard.
I'm not banking on Richardson becoming a 4,000 yard passer,
but I do think he could be a 3,000-yard passer. And I think just given
the construct of what this passing game looks like,
Pierce, I think, is going to end up being a bust.
Everyone's a 3,000.
No, Justin Fields was a 3,000-yard guy last year.
Yeah, he's probably the only one.
Maybe there were one or two teams that
were doing 3,500, because 3,000 is going to be
one of the lowest in the NFL. I don't think it's going to
be much higher than that. That's terrifying
to me. Unless
he goes bonkers as a runner.
No, but from a Pittman standpoint,
it's terrifying. I think he's
a 3,000-1,000 guy.
I think Pittman is going to be
what number did you get for Addison?
75-906.
That would be a pretty good year for Pittman.
I think he's slightly better than that. Daniel Jones was
3,205 yards in 16 games.
Let's get it, like 3,400 yards.
And what, 900 rushing yards?
If we add another game, 760 rushing yards or something.
700 rushing yards?
He had 708 rushing yards in 16 games.
So he's one of nine guys ever to go 3,007.
So he threw for 3,200 yards in 16 games.
I don't think Anthony Richardson's going to have as good of a year as Daniel Jones had
last year from a passing standpoint.
That's what I'm saying.
Right.
So that's really bad for Pittman.
But I just, it's still a very incomplete, like, I like Josh Towns.
You know, he's a guy I think that's going to have an opportunity because of Richardson's,
you know, problems throwing the ball from a completion standpoint, from an accuracy standpoint.
A short area target like this is going to help him.
But I still think Pittman's leading him in targets.
I think he's going to lead him in receiving touchdowns.
And if he's better than the 3,000-yard buzzer.
Oh, yeah, right.
I mean, that's the thing.
We're assuming the worst.
What about Lockett, Mike Williams, Keenan Allen, DK Metcalf?
What did you guys do with those guys?
Drop Lockett, a few spots.
He's behind Pittman for you right now.
In PPR, yeah. Not in PPR. I'll take Lockett.
Drop Mike Williams. He was a top 24 guy for me.
He's just outside. And
Keenan Allen didn't move. I'll
go back to what I said the night that he was drafted.
I don't think Keenan Allen gets impacted.
Metcalf, I don't think, really gets impacted either.
I agree about Metcalf. I agree about
Keenan Allen. Metcalf down maybe a tad think, really gets impacted either. I agree about Metcalf. I agree about Keenan Allen.
Metcalf down maybe a tad.
You've got to downgrade Lockett.
We do that every year, and he ends up outperforming it every year.
So that's a dip to buy if we're talking round six, round seven.
Williams scares me because I think Quinton Johnson could end up being
a better version of Mike Williams.
Yep.
So I've got all kinds of bust sentiment on Mike Williams.
Okay, so I'm going to – As much as I don't like Pittman, I think I'll take Pittman over Williams.
I'm going to try to send this over to Schaefer.
Maybe we can show the graphic.
And it's – if you want to take a look, it's yards per target,
minimum 200 targets from 2021 to 2022.
And Tyler Lockett is number one.
And DK Metcalf is much worse.
Tyler Lockett's averaging 9.9 yards per target.
Metcalf averaging 7.4 yards per target.
So the.
It's an age thing for me.
I mean,
just,
yeah,
he's not getting younger.
It's just,
but Jacob is just tweeting that DK Metcalf has been extremely reliant on
target volume. I'm not going to send this to shapers. Nevermind, but you is just tweeting that DK Metcalf has been extremely reliant on target volume.
I'm not going to send this to the shapers,
nevermind,
but you're,
you're off the hook.
But if,
if JSN Jackson,
Smith and Jigba takes away targets from both of them,
based on what they've done recently in the last two years,
it should affect Metcalf more than it would lock it.
But lock it is going to be 31.
It's interesting.
Yeah,
it's interesting.
And maybe that's something that we need to do some more research on.
I think that they drafted Smith and Jigba to be a solution
for when teams take away both those guys.
They didn't have a good third option last year.
And now they've got a very good one.
That dude is going to be able to make plays after the catch like crazy.
He gets open very easily.
He's just very quick in his route running.
And if it just comes to pass that every team plays like cover two against them and they're trying to dare them to
throw deep, then Gino Smith will check it down a lot more. That'll hurt his efficiency numbers,
but it'll be great for Smith and Jigba. We should really reflect on the last almost 10 years of
Seattle Seahawks football and how easy it has been from a fantasy standpoint,
because they've never had a number. They've pretty much never had a number three passing option,
and they've more or less just gone with one running back. They've been extremely predictable
and pretty easy, and everything changed perhaps on Thursday and Friday.
I don't know if they've been doing it that way for 10 years, at least with the rushing game.
It does make you think, right? I mean, maybe they were overreacting, but I don't know if they've been doing it that way for 10 years, at least with the rushing game. Make you think, right?
I mean, maybe they were overreacting,
but I don't know how JSN doesn't have an impact on the passing game.
I'm just worried about volume being crazy good for him,
and I don't know how many touchdowns. He might get four touchdowns his rookie year,
but I would bet on that talent in Dynasty.
I'm going to take one more commercial break here.
We'll come back.
We'll talk about Dawson Knox.
Just a few tight end notes, I guess.
We'll be right back.
All right.
We are talking about rankings movers after the NFL draft.
Dawson Knox.
Well, who's your highest ranked Bills tight end?
Oh, Kinkin.
Okay.
So Knox is out of the top 24 then?
Out of the top 20.
He's going to be definitely close to 24.
And he's had Irv Smith as a riser for the Bengals.
Because they didn't add anybody.
Streaming tight end, if you like the matchup in week one,
Irv can be your third to last pick.
I just don't know how much better he is than what Hayden Hurst was a year ago.
Well, I'm telling you, he's just a streamer.
It's not, I'm going to make Irv Smith my guy for the whole year.
I don't know what, I just hug myself.
I don't know why.
But, like, I don't see Irv Smith being as good as Dalton Schultz or Pat Fryer at all.
No.
If you like the matchup in week one and maybe even week two for Irv Smith,
then you draft him and then you stream him.
Keith has him 13th.
For me, he's 19th.
Yeah, he's closer to 19th for me than 13th.
I'm assuming the answer is no, but did anything change for Evan Ingram
as they drafted Brenton Strange in the second round? No, not for this year, but Strange is interesting.
He could end up being a pretty decent target getter in that offense.
Not somebody that's like dynasty relevant,
like third round pick in rookie only drafts, maybe.
Let me rapid fire some players at you that I didn't know if we would get to. We sort of did, but just give me
quick thoughts.
Rashad Bateman.
Really don't want to draft him.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's more productive than we're going to give him credit for.
But yeah, I think you've got to look at him as the third best receiver,
fourth best option on the Ravens.
Some of these guys we did talk about, but Rashad Penny.
He lost value.
When do you draft him?
He's the second Philadelphia running back I would take.
Round eight?
Eight, nine, ten?
I think you get off to a good start with him. You view him like you probably view Algier now.
You view him like you view Devin Singletary now.
Maybe Charbonnet.
You know those type of guys?
I'm hoping he gets me off to a decent start for the first month of the season,
and anything after that is gravy.
Round eight.
Khalil, you like gravy, guy?
Turkey?
I'll put it on my turkey.
Because sometimes the turkey's dry, and that's no good.
You've got to do something to spice it up.
If the turkey's not dry, do you go gravy?
I like gravy anyways.
But I've never been in, as big as I am, I've never been into sausage gravy.
I don't even have it. I've never been into sausage gravy. I don't think I've had it.
I think it would gross you out.
Khalil Shaqiri you talked about is out of your top 200.
That's a guy that we're rooting for, but I don't think he's going to have consistency.
All right.
How about the Bills?
Sorry, the Vikings.
Alexander Madison.
I saw Dalvin Cook should be traded to the Bills, so I got that in my mind.
Alexander Madison.
Those are the running back, too.
Yes. Today? Who? Latavius Murray. Oh Madison. Those are the running back, too. Yes.
Today?
Who?
Latavius Murray.
Oh, that's right.
I did see that, yes.
Why get Dalvin Cook when you can get Latavius Murray?
But Alexander Madison is sitting here as the number two guy.
They haven't added anybody.
Dalvin Cook, a lot of trade rumors.
Is he the same every single year as long as Cook's there?
He's going to be one of those guys that people will target
as a bench running back who might blow up.
Oh, well, I almost want to wait until I see that happen
because we've talked about that before.
This is the closest it's been to happening,
but I still don't know if it's going to happen.
For now, round 10, and if he's the main guy,
then we're talking about a completely different ballgame.
The fact that they didn't like Mixon.
They didn't add anybody.
He's a winner.
Right now. The Bengals did, though.
Wait a minute. The Vikings added somebody.
In their backfield. In the draft.
McBride. Oh, yes.
They did. He's a run-down
back, but he's a great fit for their offense.
He's an XB guy.
Arizona wide receivers, Jamie.
Thoughts on what we're looking at right now?
I still think the top two guys are pretty safe.
Marquise Brown and Rondell Moore.
So until we see Kyler Murray back, right now I'll probably say the three best pass catchers will be Brown one, Moore two, McBride three.
And so you're not buying this whole DeAndre Hopkins isn't getting traded stuff either?
I think he's gone.
If he stays, then it's a completely different conversation.
But I just can't see a situation where he's
there and there and happy.
How about Cam
Akers? The Rams, their first draft
pick was 36th overall. They took an
interior offensive lineman, Steve Avila. He was the
first. They got Zach Evans, though.
Didn't they?
Gosh, I'm sorry.
I think they did. Not that zach evans is is a wonderful running
back or anything like that but that's somebody that could end up taking over for acres if
acres gets around house again i honestly honestly this may i just don't care about running back
drafted and mostly in day three but maybe round four i know what do we care about algeria and
pacheco and damien agreed? Agreed. You're right.
Sometimes it happens, but for the most part,
I would say 90% of the running backs
drafted in round six or seven, probably
even more than that, are not going to matter.
I'm not looking at Zach Evans
as a guy that's a threat to Cam Akers.
I am just saying that offensive line
was a huge concern last year.
They went and they drafted maybe the best interior
offensive lineman. He was the first one off the board in Steve Avila.
I don't know if he's the best.
He's going to start for them.
I think he's going to start for them.
He was the first interior offensive lineman drafted, so maybe
he's the best. I think that's a fair thing to say.
Cam Akers finished
in 2022 was the best we've seen him look
in maybe his entire career.
He's healthy coming into this year,
hopefully. I think you draft him as a number two running back,
even though the team's kind of dicey right now.
Traylon Burks.
I don't know why I decided on him, but they still have Tannehill.
They drafted Levis.
It didn't really add much.
Other than that, they did draft Skowronski, which was great.
He can play guard or tackle.
Traylon Burks.
I think he's a winner.
You know, just has to stay on the field and obviously prove that he can be more consistent than he was a year ago.
And look, that passing game was just an absolute disaster.
Tannehill in and out of the lineup.
Malik Wills just did not look NFL ready.
So whether it's Levis starting, I think that might be a little bit of a downgrade for him just because of what the inconsistency could be there.
But I think if Tannehill plays 16 games, you know, I don't want to, you know, use, just use the conversation I had with Oconco a few weeks ago as the NLB all,
but you know,
he said this passing game does have a chance to surprise some people.
And,
and I think that's fair.
You know,
Kyle Phillips got off to a great start,
you know,
in training camp last season,
and then he got hurt.
Um,
he's,
he's actually a great late round flyer just because again,
should be there,
you know,
on the field quite a bit.
Um,
but this is a,
this is a group now it's going to,
I think ask a lot of Traylon Brooks.
It happened to catch my eye.
He hasn't ranked, I think, 24th, which is very, very high.
I'm nowhere near.
I got him at 37, right in that range for me.
Yeah, he's late 30s, early 40s for me.
But could be a huge steal if he does end up turning into the type of player
we thought he could be as a rookie.
And an awesome guy to go and target in Dynasty after the first year bust.
No, he's got a lot of appeal.
You just can't judge him based on last year's quarterback situation was so bad.
Addison or Burks?
That's kind of where I was at.
I think Burks ahead of Addison, but it's close.
I think I'll take Addison.
Okay.
Got some emails real quick.
Fantasy football at cbsi.com.
That's the letter I. Fantasy football at cbsi.com. That's the letter I.
Fantasyfootball at cbsi.com.
This is from Joey.
What do you do with Travis Etienne and Dynasty?
Keep them.
Start them.
Not worry.
We didn't really talk about Tank Bigsby and what he does.
We did on the year on the show.
You did on Friday night.
Okay.
They didn't – Jamie and Heath didn't really think it was a big deal.
I mean, he could take over a short yardage goal line role and cost ETN,
maybe even between the tackles.
But I still expect ETN to be the main running back in that offense
and to be used more in the passing game.
All right, this is from someone who said, no names, please.
So give him a fake name and location.
Sylvester from Monterey, California.
Gray the trade, 12-team,, half point PPR, super flex. He gives pick 101, 104, 105,
107, and 203, and a first round pick next year. 101, 104, 105, 107, 203, and a first next year. This is super flex. He gets Kyler Murray, DeAndre Swift,
T. Higgins,
T.J. Hawkinson, Rashad
White, and Tua Tungabailoa.
You are getting Kyler and Tua.
That's great. I'd rather have the pick.
You could have Richardson at 101.
If you want to take another quarterback,
Stroud will probably be there at 104.
If not Young. And if those guys aren't there, then that means will probably be there at 104, if not Young.
And if those guys aren't there, then that means Bijan's there,
and you can get him.
No, you're taking Bijan 101.
Not Richardson.
No.
And you love Richardson.
I'm not passing on Bijan.
No way.
So you take Bijan 101, and then you get a quarterback at 104.
You can get two of them.
Potentially.
Right.
And if not, then you get – Oh, because he has 105 too.
He's got 105 too. So he may get Richards.
He may get Bichon and Gibbs and a quarterback.
Right. Or Bichon
and two quarterbacks.
So why would you rather have Murray
and Tua?
T. Higgins is the best player in that.
I think Tua
and Kyler are very valuable.
Waiting for you to get to better names.
Yeah, but I mean...
It's a two QB.
The Cardinals, if I'm the Cardinals right now,
I don't play Kyler Murray in 2020.
They will play.
They will play.
You always do that.
If they're 0-5, he's not playing.
If I'm the Cardinals,
knowing that I have all this draft capital next season,
I'm just hitting the reset button for 2024,
get Kyler 100% healthy, and just
put weapons around him galore.
You're going to get another, hopefully, draft pick
or capital for next year when they
trade Hawks. And you have the
Texans pick, right? That's what I'm saying, yeah.
Okay, so all you have to do is root against the Texans, then you're fine.
How about from
Jimmer Cleveland?
Dear Grant, Tay, Caleb, Trey, and Chad.
Grant, Tay, Caleb, Trey, and Chad.
It seems like these are Mr. Irrelevance.
Well, there's no Brock.
What is your current perceived value of Brock Purdy?
That's the question.
I have the 111 in a 12 team super flex dynasty league. I'm considering pairing the one 11 with Brock Purdy to try to acquire one of
this year's high valued rookie quarterbacks.
If you can do it,
do it.
I mean,
obviously,
but I don't think anybody's giving a top five pick because of Brock Purdy in
the 11.
Like if it was Brock Purdy in the seven,
maybe Brock Purdy in the six.
And he says,
well, people would do that because Brock Purdy could turn into a maybe Brock Purdy in the six. And he says, well,
people would do that because Brock Purdy could turn into a pumpkin this year
and we never hear from him again.
What's the lowest draft pick you'd take in return for Brock Purdy and one
11, one 10.
Well, we just illustrate. I mean, if you get to five,
then you might get a quarterback.
So you can shoot for five and work your way back.
You're getting a quarterback or one of the top two running backs.
I mean, that's the sweet spot to be at.
I just don't think – you'd have to find a manager in your league
that's just crazy desperate for a quarterback,
for him to move down from one whatever.
If you go back to the trade that you were saying,
giving up Bijan and the potential of one of those quarterbacks.
Forget about everything else.
All the other picks after 1 and 104 and 105.
So those three picks.
You're giving up potential 8 to 10 years of superstar running back, right?
If Bijan's healthy and produces like his.
Let's say 5 to 6.
Yeah, I would aim for 5.
Whatever.
That's still good.
Sure.
And then one of those quarterbacks, which you like Bryce Young better than Richardson.
I like drafting him better than
Dynasty. And Stroud
maybe just as good. I do like him better than Richardson also.
So you have potential of
two of those guys. If you were to tell me right now
it was Justin Herbert
or Joe Burrow or
maybe even Justin Fields.
Just to look at the guys that have the chance to be
superstars at the quarterback position
and super flexing. That's the type of move you're trading.
Yeah.
All right.
And we have a team named Sunday from Nick,
a Mingo ate my baby.
That's good.
All right.
Good way to end the show.
Not really.
It's good.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
The show.
Oh,
you cannot have the Mingo about that.
So we're out of here for today.
Tomorrow.
Dynasty show with Heath,
Rookie Draft.
Wednesday,
probably a mock draft review.
Thursday,
gonna probably get
an industry guest on.
Big week for you here
on Fantasy Football today.
I'm going on vacation.
I will see you
hopefully next Monday,
if not next Wednesday
or something like that.
I thought you were here
next Monday.
I might come in
next Monday.
I might. I haven't decided. I might come in next Monday. I might.
I'm on vacation. We haven't really taken a vacation over the years.
Let me have some fun.
I'll see you in Disney, everybody.
Have a good day. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
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