Fantasy Football Today - Rashee Rice SUSPENDED! + FINAL Do Not Draft List! 22 Players to AVOID in 2025! (08/27 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: August 28, 2025Bid on Draft-A-Thon items here! htt...ps://tiltify.com/@cbs-sports/fft-draftathon-2025 The big news of the day is Rashee Rice (0:30) being suspended for the first six games of the 2025 season and what that means for Patrick Mahomes, Xavier Worthy, and Travis Kelce. After that, we unveil our Final Do Not Draft List with 22 players you need to avoid in your fantasy football drafts. Jamey Eisenberg and Dave Richard break down which (7:00) quarterbacks, (13:00) tight ends, (16:33) running backs, and wide receivers (24:16) could end up being busts at their current ADP. From big names like Saquon Barkley, Josh Allen, and Tyreek Hill to mid-round picks such as Aaron Jones, Zay Flowers, and D.J. Moore, we tell you who not to draft this year. This is the final warning before your draft—don’t make the mistake of targeting these 22 players. Make sure you’re ready to dominate draft day! Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Did you know that Travis Kelsey averaged four targets per game in just three games with Rishi Rice last year?
Did you know that Xavier Worthy scored 19.6 or more PPR fantasy points in five of his last six games, including the playoffs last season?
Did you know we're going to talk about Rishi Rice at the top of the show?
We welcome you at a fantasy football today presented by BEDMGM, the sports book born in Vegas.
It's Wednesday, August 27th.
We've got that breaking news to get to, but also the do not draft list.
You know, guys, you better relish this now.
I love talking about drafts, but in eight days, that is pretty much over.
We're going to be talking about starts and sits.
Welcome to the show.
That's Dave Richard and Jamie Eisenberg.
I am Adam Azer.
Let's get right into the big news.
So you're going to give us, do not drafts for quarterback, running back, tight end, and wide receiver.
First, though, Rishi Rice accepts a six-game suspension to start this season.
Jamie, I'm going to throw it to you first.
Give me your reaction for everyone relevant in this Rish Rice discussion.
I think it's actually good news that he's accepting the suspension prior to the season for a couple of reasons.
One, at least we find out for anybody drafting over Labor Day weekend or from this point through the start of the season, you know what you're dealing with.
So the uncertainty of the previous situation, which was he was going to play out the first four games,
and then we wouldn't know when the suspension would happen.
You now know that the first six weeks of the season, you don't have Rashi Rice.
I think from his perspective, he's still a number three wide receiver.
He's going to hopefully come back from week seven on.
They do have their week 10 by.
But now you get him for the fantasy playoffs, assuming he's healthy,
and hopefully whatever extra time he needed to get that knee right,
now he should be 100 percent, no questions.
Not that there was any concern right now, but you know what you're getting.
I think from a fantasy perspective, I'm not moving.
moving him. He's wide receiver 33. I know what I'm dealing with at this point. And you have
the ability to get replacement options to start the season. It does stink. I was in one draft
over the weekend where somebody combined Jordan Addison and Rashi Rice with the hope of
I get Addison coming back when Rice is back. Now you don't have both those guys for the start
of the season. I'm in a Dynasty League that Adam runs, the Big Burger Dynasty League, where I have
Rice and Chris Godwin. So I was kind of playing that out, that scenario out where maybe, you know,
have Rice and then transition to Godwin until Rice comes back. So at least, at least,
least you know what you're dealing with. I think Rice is just again, number three fantasy
receiver. You get a great start for potentially Travis Kelsey, fantastic start for Xavier
Worthy. And Worthy may be the one who doesn't give up the role in terms of who's the best
receiver for the Chiefs rest of season. So Markis Brown gets a boost. Maybe Juju Smith-Juster,
Tyquan Thornton, those type of guys get a boost. Nobody's drafting them with any sort of
confidence. I think Markis Brown maybe gets off to a good start. We'll see how that, you know,
sort of impacts him. And for Patrick Mahomes, look, you might want to bring him back down to the
Baker-Mayfield level
comparatively to where he was
closer to the top five guys
the Jalen Hertz, you know,
Joe Burrow being the bottom two of that group.
So for me, you know, Mayfield is
potentially a better option to start the season.
But I think Mahomes still stays at QB6.
Worthy's a great round four pick
right now, maybe round five.
And then Rice I would look for in the round seven range.
I think it stinks.
Because I loved the idea of
all right, I've got Rice for a little bit at the beginning
of the year and then I've got them for the fantasy
playoff run. And in between, I can figure that out.
didn't know that, though. But we figured that he was going to play those first four games,
then we didn't know how long the suspension was going to be. That's fair. We didn't know
if it was going to be six, eight, ten games, but he did have a chance to come back toward the end
of the season. Now, I know that I don't have him for seven of the first ten weeks of my fantasy
football season. That's tough to deal with. That's going to be tough to look at. And if you
draft him, that rules out getting guys that are going to get off to a slow starter or suspended
to begin the year, like Jordan Addison, like Chris Godwin. Those are guys I would have paired
with Rishi Rice if Rice were going to play the first four games of the year.
And so I thought about it a little bit.
And I agree.
He's more of a number three receiver, but I think I'm going to move him down into late round
six.
And when I draft him, it's going to be with the idea of, okay, I've got at least two
wide receivers already, and I'm going to like maybe a couple of wide receivers I
could get in round seven.
And then I'm good on wide receiver.
I can start with that core four to begin my draft and to begin my season.
I'm not going to try and find a replacement on the chiefs like Marquise Brown or
Tyquan Thornton. I am a little more interested in Travis Kelsey, believe it or not.
Because 13.9 PPR points per game in the 13 games without Rishi Rice last year, that's pretty
good. And even if he's at 11.5 ppr points per game, okay, that's not somebody I'm going to take
in the first five or six rounds, but it's somebody that I'd be interested in a tight end.
I'd settle for Travis Kelsey. I still think Mojoms is going to have a great year. I'm going to
keep him right where I have them as the sixth quarterback off the board.
Just to give you a real-life situation, just as a Rashi Rice fan.
manager who drafted him last week. This is our IDP League, Adam, so you're in this league as well.
Again, this was the majority of offensive players still coming off the board. So I started two
receivers in their first two picks were Justin Jefferson and Pukkahua. Rice is a three
receiver league, so I think this is different than a two receiver league where it's easier to get
by. So Rashi Rice is the third receiver that I have on this roster. I also have Christian Kirk.
So that's a great replacement option because Kirk, great start of the season in terms of a schedule,
guy you can get later and pair with Rice. And then, you know, you see what happens with
Kirk moving forward. I also did purposely
draft Marquise Brown. So the only thing
I would disagree, Dave, is I don't mind Marquise Brown in a
deeper league as a potential replacement option
because, look, he's a proven
commodity. He should do well, knowing
the system, knowing the offense, and there
are going to diversify some of the targets,
not just funneling them through Xavier
Worthy and Traps Cals.
Adam, one last thing. Here are some wide
receivers that are going, this is according to
RADP, 80th overall
or later. You tell me, if you'd love
to pair of these guys. Oh, I'll do, I'll do
one better for you with a hundred 20th or later, but go ahead.
Well, let's do 120th then.
And if you love a lot of guys who are 120th,
these guys could potentially get off.
Do you really want to start Marvin Mims or Rashid for seven weeks?
No, but you want to take shots on guys later,
especially, well, first off.
You're doing that anyway, though.
If you drafted Rice, you want to look for some guys off Waiver.
Jalen Koker now with the Adam Thielen trade.
Like, there are guys you can find very, very late or on waiver wire options right now.
That can help you.
Yeah, but that's not who I'm going, oh, man, I lost Rashid,
I'm going to start Jalen Koker.
Dave is right. You take shots on those guys no matter what.
But Dave, if you're just going to give us names of guys
we can get around eight or later or whatever that we can just throw in our starting lineup
confidently, yeah, let's hear some names.
This is according to ADP. I don't think you're actually going to see all these guys,
but Stefan Diggs is going to be their.
Cooper Cup is going to be there. Michael Pittman's going to be their Romo Dunezay.
I doubt he makes it.
Chris Olave would be a dream at this point.
Same thing with Matthew Golden.
And why is Brandon Aubrey a top 110 pick?
What's wrong with you guys taking a catch with that early?
that's really about it.
Cleo Shakir, Keon Coleman, my guy, is still a round 10 pick in our ADP.
I would love to get Keon Coleman and use him as the replacement to begin the year over Rishi-Rice.
So you can find some receivers at him after that round six, seven range that you could use as a wide receiver three if you decide to take Rishie Rice in round six.
All right.
Last thing I'm going to say, now, look, they play the Chargers twice last year and they were both very low-scoring games.
But I look at their first six games, and I see some shootout potential here.
So for a guy like Worthy or Kelsey, get you off to a big start, you do have the chargers, you get the Eagles, you get the Giants, you get the Ravens, Jaguars, Lions.
I see some opportunities here for some big, fun Chiefs games, and maybe Worthy and Kelsey get off to huge starts.
That'd be fun.
Okay, those are guys we want to draft.
How about guys we don't want to draft?
This is based on average draft position on CBS, and we're going to do quarterbacks and tight ends here.
And Dave, your quarterback advice is less about specific players
and more about reading the draft room, reading the ADP.
And you're saying don't draft anyone in the first or second round
that won quarterback league.
What else are you saying?
Well, first of all, you don't want to reach for a quarterback
under any circumstances.
Obviously, it's different if it's a super flex league
or if you can start two quarterbacks.
You will go ahead and take one of the elite quarterbacks
as soon as 101 in your draft.
But you really want to feel like you're getting a fair value
at the quarterback position in general.
And the other player that really worries me is Justin Fields.
He's moved outside of my top 12.
I've thought about moving him outside of my top 15.
I don't know if I'm ready to go that far because I recognize that he has all that rushing upside.
And I also recognize that he's a cheap player when you're drafting him in round 9, round 10.
You can find a replacement if he stinks early on.
But I really think that when it comes to the quarterback position, just think fair.
Try and get a player at a draft value that you go, okay, this seems about right or even better.
Okay, I'm ripping off the rest of my league.
And you can go ahead and have that quarterback
and it'll be good to go for your team.
So on this topic, Patrick Mahomes' ADP has been around 50th overall.
And I know Jamie's been very consistent saying not interested there.
Now Rishi Rice out the first six games,
when would you guys consider taking Patrick Mahomes?
Round six at the earliest.
I just think, again, when you talk about the players that are in that round four range,
he's actually back into round four.
He's out like 48th or 47th overall last time I looked last night.
So he's continuing to move forward.
I do think, again, if you're looking at our ADP,
the one complaint I have is that it does not separate one quarterback
and Super Flex League.
So whatever percentage of leagues that we're talking about there,
it's pushing up all those quarterbacks.
So really, when I look at it, I look at the list.
So I don't mind Mahomes as the sixth quarterback off the board.
But again, if you are drafting him in round four,
and that is where you have to reach for him,
I am essentially out on Mahomes,
and really for the most part, probably out on Baker Mayfield as well
because he's not going soon after that.
So I think just for those two quarterbacks in particular,
Like by comparison, Justin Fields is outside the top 12, and I think still has top 10 upside.
So I understand where Dave's concern is, clearly if you're not in the Justin Fields camp, you're going to avoid it.
But if he's not being drafted as a top 12 quarterback, there's just so much upside that if you are a Jared Gough guy, easy one to pair with the Justin Fields because golf's floor is safe, field ceiling could be immensely higher than what golf is going to produce this year.
So it's just a matter I think what you're looking at.
For me, like I am avoiding, you know, Dave brought up, you know, the guys that are going in round two.
I can't imagine for me, I understand why a lot of people would do it.
For me, if you're going to take a quarterback that early,
it better be somebody that you think's going to be what Lamar Jackson was last year.
So why not just take Lamar Jackson?
Josh Allen was five points per game less than what Lamar Jackson produced last year.
Allen was the fourth quarterback last year behind Baker, Mayfield, Joe Burrow, and obviously Lamar Jackson.
So for him to be the first quarterback off the board, I don't get it.
Based on what we saw last year, they were fantastic offensively.
They did a great job.
He was the MVP.
Are things going to change?
I think Lamar Jackson is going to probably produce at a similar level or close to it.
And if you're just talking about ceiling play for these guys, based on what we've seen in the last couple of years, when Lamar Jackson spikes, he's at a better level than Josh Allen.
So if you're going to reach for a quarterback, Jackson should be first off the board.
Allen should not be going around two by any stretch in my opinion.
Didn't Josh Allen have a couple of 50-point games last year?
He's got some pretty good spike potential, too.
He's amazing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's amazing.
But again, to be five points per game different than the guy he's now being drafted ahead of, I wouldn't do it.
What about the consistency for Josh Allen?
I have to jump in there because the reason he's five points worse.
because he took, played one snap in week 18.
He is now still a huge gap.
26.6 points per game if you remove week 18.
Okay, so four point for game.
Sorry.
No, but no, you're right.
I want to get the right.
He was, if you took out that game,
you took out everyone's partial games,
those top five quarterbacks.
Alan was QB2,
way behind the Mar Jackson in four point.
And he was QB3 behind Jackson and Burrow in six point.
You're still absolutely right.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to.
I mean to be a jerk.
I think it's very offensive.
I think if you're going to azer stat that,
Azerstadt, Baker-Mayfield, the four games he didn't have Mike Evans or Chris Godwin to.
You could Azer-Stat all the games that Lamar Jackson didn't finish either
because they were blowing out teams.
No, that does not count.
The reason why I like Allen better, by the way, 27.2, 26.5, 29.1, 26.9.
Those are his fantasy averages each of the last four years.
Not one season better than Lamar Jackson.
Not one season better, but Lamar was 30.1.
That was last year.
It was amazing.
3.7 before that, 22.5
before that, 21.6 before that.
I feel a little bit safer
with Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson,
but I'm not going to fight you on this. They're both awesome.
Try and get one of them at a fair value. If you want to go
sample size, do sample sizes with their
new coordinators. So what Lamar Jackson's done
with Greg Roman versus what Josh Allen's done with Joe Brady?
I bet it's pretty close. I think Jackson's
better. Okay. Because of last year.
Oh, yeah, Allen was better in 23
and Jackson was better in 24.
But
last point, Jackson has averaged
over eight yards per attempt, both seasons with Greg Roman, with, uh, with,
Todd Monkin, sorry, Todd Monkin, with unbelievable efficiency. Okay, let's talk about tight ends here.
Dave, three tight ends on your do not draft list. Does this still apply?
We submit this before the Rishi Rice News, Kelsey, Mark Andrews, T.J. Hawkinson.
Well, obviously it still applies for the non-chiefs tight ends. But with Kelsey, his average
draft position before this news was just after round.
round five. So we're talking about early round six. Even in full PPR, I think that's too rich for me.
I know that he's got potential to be what he was last year. And what he was last year wasn't
great, but it was still like a top six fantasy tight end. It was still 12 ppr points per game.
You're not going to turn your nose up at that when you go to the waiver wire and you hope to
find a guy that gets you nine or 10 ppr points off the waiver wire. But if that's what he's going
to do, if it's going to be 12, maybe 13 ppr points per game on average, I don't want to take that
in round six. I'd rather start to think about tar.
targeting Rishi Rice in that range rather than getting Travis Kelsey.
Plus, I know that I can find another tight end that I think has the same type of upside
at least two rounds later, if not three or four rounds later.
With Hawkinson, I think he can get us off to a great start in Minnesota
because Jordan Addison's not playing, but once Addison's back,
and now that they added Adam Thielin, I think that'll take a few targets away.
I see his average trap position in round seven, round eight.
I think that's too rich.
And Mark Andrews, if he doesn't have that huge touchdown number last year,
we are forgetting about this guy.
And I think he's going to end up being somebody that we're going to wish we took around a hundredth overall, Mark Andrews, because I don't know if he's going to have the same type of touchdown numbers.
I'm pretty sure he's going to have the same type of target volume.
That was around four and a half per game.
This Ravens' offense, they love to run the ball to begin with, but they added DeAndre Hopkins to their receiving core.
He's great in the red zone.
Makes me nervous to take any of those three tight ends at their current ADP.
And, Jamie, you have Sam Leporta, who's going way too early for you on your do not draft list.
Yeah, I'm going to move Kelsey ahead of Laporta with the Rice News,
so he'll now be tight-end six for me because Najoko's already tight-end four.
I love Loporta.
I mean, I think he's got an opportunity to still be a good number one fantasy tight-end,
a top-10 fantasy titan.
And the way that they closed the season, the way he closed the season,
was what we saw from him in his rookie campaign.
But now they've just found another target with Tesla,
and I think we're going to see him be involved.
You can't not listen to anybody out of Detroit talking about a breakout season for Jameson
Williams.
Last I checked, tomorrow St. Brown's not going anywhere.
Jemir Gibbs is going to have a bigger role in the passing game.
Well, it's got to come at the expense of somebody here.
So if he's not scoring touchdowns, very similar to what Dave said about Mark Andrews,
Leporter's going to let you down.
So I think once you start to separate these guys, there's the top three without question.
Then I think there's a tier of two with Njoku and Kelsey at this point.
And then Loporta falls into that next group of guys,
which includes T.J. Hawkinson, Evan Ingram, Mark Andrews, Tyler Warren, Tucker Kraft.
Like, it's a good group of tight ends.
But I don't think you want to reach for these guys.
And the fact that Leporto is going around six,
I assume you're round five at this point in CBS Sports just too soon.
That's too soon.
By the way, do you worry about Kelsey when Rishi Rice does come back?
Because last year his numbers were...
I'm looking...
Well, to be fair, they also flipped their switch
if they're going to do that again at the end of the season.
So we get past the first six games,
maybe we get a little bit of a lull while Rice works himself back in
and then you get that, you know, Travis Kelsey...
Right, but I don't want him to be a duck for me in the fancy playoffs.
There wasn't that much separation for me to begin with
between Leporta and Kelsey right now.
And so the sixth game head start that we might get from Kelsey,
I think it's worth it to take him ahead of him.
Well, just looking at my podcast league team, starting Patrick Wellhomes and Sam Leporta.
I'm not sure Jamie's going to like that team too much.
No, you jaded those guys at good value.
There's a big difference.
When you get them at the right cost, I took Breece Hall.
How many times you heard me say I'm not drafting?
Right, right, right.
Speaking of which, when we come back, running backs on our do not draft list after this on fantasy football today.
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Don't draft Sequin Barclay third overall.
That's just silly.
Don't draft Alvin Camara.
27th overall.
Come on, people.
This is Jamie's Do Not draft list at running back.
It is based on average draft position on CBSports.com.
And Jamie, take it away.
What do you got?
Well, you know, it's funny.
We were just discussing one of our leagues.
And so Dave passed on a lot of running backs in our podcast league.
I ended up taking Breeze Hall.
as the third running back in round five.
So at the right cost, I'll obviously take any of the guys on this list.
And so Dave's got a surplus of wide receivers.
We might have a trade potential option here.
I'll trade your Jalen Coker for Breaston.
You know what?
That might be worth the same amount of value.
In the case of Barclay, it's not necessarily a do not draft
because I still haven't ranked as a first round pick,
but it's not taking him in the first three overall picks,
which is where his average draft position is.
So I'm still a little concerned.
You know, obviously coming off all the work that he had a year ago,
the history of 2,000-yard rushers
and what happens to them the following season.
So if he just follows suit with those other eight guys
and loses 500 yards at the minimum
and six of the eight have lost over 800 yards the next season,
he could still be a 1,500-yard rusher
and still compete to be a 2,000-yard total player.
But it's just a big concern for a running back of his age,
who's had some injury concerns over the course of his career,
who's on the Madden cover,
coming off a lot of games played and certainly a lot of work
based on what we saw last year with over 400 touches,
over 400 carries, over 480 total touches.
So it's just a concern that Saquan Barclay's not going to live up to the expectations.
In the case of the other guys, that's really where the average job position comes in.
Now I do like the fact that Brise Hall is falling.
He was originally a third round pick.
Now we're seeing him in the round four.
Maybe he gets to round five.
I'm very excited about Braylon Allen.
He's going to be somebody to have one of my most rostered players because we're going to see a split to some degree between those two guys.
Justin Fields is going to steal rushing production and potentially rushing touchdowns.
And Brise Hall, I just don't think is even taking in round four.
I would take him in round five.
Aaron Jones going in the round five range.
I don't like that at all.
I think I'm going to see a split situation there in Minnesota
between Jordan Mason and Aaron Jones.
They've talked about that from Jones himself to Kevin O'Connell,
even before they brought Aaron Jones back to a free agent.
So I'm not going to probably take a lot of Aaron Jones
on my fantasy leagues this year.
And then when you look at some of these other guys,
Joe Mixon is basically just a do not draft at all at this point
because we don't know when he's going to return for a 29-year-old running back
coming off a foot injury that he's yet to practice even going back to the spring.
Quinn John Judkins yet to sign his contract.
We don't know when we're going to see him.
So a guy that I'm probably just going to avoid,
I'll take Dylan Sampson first, even Jerome Ford.
We don't know if Judkins will play it all in his rookie season.
And Caleb Johnson is just something that makes me nervous overall
based on what his role could be.
Because for an older quarterback in Aaron Rogers,
the way that the other two guys do in how they perform in pass protection,
Jalen Warren and Kenneth Gamowell most specifically,
we could see both those guys playing ahead of Caleb Johnson at this point.
And just the fact that he could be a trapback
where he may not get as many goal-line opportunities as we like,
definitely not going to play in a lot of obvious passing-down situations.
So Caleb Johnson may not be some of the time.
that you can rely on until the end of the year, if that.
So I think it would be a lost rookie season for Caleb Johnson
playing in an Arthur Smith offense along that, along with that.
Yeah, Caleb Johnson, just confirming,
he was a third round pick this year, right?
So according to my notes,
in the last 10 seasons going into 2025,
not including 2025,
we've had 31 running backs selected in round three.
Four of them, four, finished top 20.
David Johnson, Alvin Camara, Kareem Hunt,
and Antonio Gibson as rookies.
David Montgomery was a fifth who finished top 24.
It doesn't include Devon A. Chan, who was 25th, but he was amazing.
He was fourth overall.
But there is a really bad history of round three rookies.
So just going to throw that in there.
I think we've sort of taken this rookie draft class and kind of boosted a lot of players
up based on history because it's such a strong class.
Ordinarily, we wouldn't really even care about a guy like Jaden Blue or Jacori
Kroski Merritt, these day three picks.
They hardly ever do anything.
But this year's draft class was so strong.
at running back that we are making some exceptions.
And I said this, round three running back at history.
I said this last week, and I'll reiterate it just because you brought up his name.
I will take to Corey Kroski Merritt over Caleb Johnson this year.
Okay.
Dave, who's on your do not draft list at running back?
I have a lot of the same names.
So really, I'm only going to focus on the one name that's different, and that's DeAndre
Swift in Chicago.
He's always been a low-end number two fantasy running back, never really performed
like a top 20 or top 15 running back, maybe once over his career he did.
Even when Ben Johnson was his coordinator in Detroit, it wasn't a great season for him.
And then after that, the Lions traded him to Philadelphia for one of those aforementioned day three picks.
Now, I get the argument for DeAndre Swift.
He's the only back right now in Chicago's backfield that looks like is going to get a decent amount of touches.
I still think Chicago is going to add another running back along the way.
It might not be somebody of major significance, but it's going to be somebody who's going to take Swift off the field to some degree.
It could be at the goal line, could be in short-yardage situations.
It might even be on some passing downs because of past protection concerns that the bears have
because that offensive line, it's been a problem all training camp long, all pre-season long,
things that are definitely an issue for DeAndre Swift.
And I don't think he's necessarily a great running back talent-wise to begin with.
So I'm going to avoid him this year.
I'm not going to take him in that round five range where his ADP is.
And it just makes me want to gravitate towards some other running backs that are in that range
may not have the same type of workload
that DeAndre Swift will begin the season with
but should outperform him based on his
track record in the NFL.
And Adam, just one more guy,
just because I think his name
clearly carries a lot of weight, is Alvin Camara.
Look, he has a chance to still be
a very successful fantasy option.
We saw that last year,
even with Spencer Rattler, four games
that they played together, three of them,
17 or more PPR points.
As you will note, which I know you do all the time.
Chris Olave and Rashich,
he did not play in those games,
so we'll see how that impacts
just in terms of role in the passing game.
Kellyn Moore's track record, kudos to our colleague Heath Cummings,
is not good in terms of enhancing pass-catching running backs.
He had Austin Knackler in his prime, or at least the end of his prime.
He had Sequin Barclay, who's still a very good pass catcher, in my opinion,
did not allow those guys to play in, or to get the type of passing volume
that they needed, or at least have had in the past.
And if Kamara loses that, taking him in round three is a huge mistake,
absolute huge mistake.
I think he should go closer to the back end of round four, maybe even round five,
and that's a full PPR.
And I don't mind Camara.
I'll take him in late round three, but it has to be full PPR.
If it's half PPR, if it's non-PPR, I'm definitely taking a big step back from that.
And you look at the average draft position, even I can't agree with it, because the ADP says that he's a top 30 pick.
And I get it.
The reason why I like him is because he's had at least five targets per game every year of his career.
He's had about 17 PPR points per game or more all but one year of his career.
We're drafting him.
If we're getting him in round four, we're drafting him.
where even if he doesn't get 17 PPR points per game,
he still could be a very good pick if it's 14 and a half, 15 PPR points per game.
But not if he loses the passing volume.
Well, sure.
If all of that gets thrown out the window, then he's a total dud.
But I don't see that happening because that's so integral to his game.
It is his game.
But it's not integral to his coach, and that's what matters more.
I think the coach might be able to work around that and involve him a little bit more,
especially given all the other issues that they've got in that passing offense.
Well, let's find out which wide receivers,
we have issues with because you get some big names there
at running back based on ADP.
We're going to take a break on fantasy football today
and come back and talk about the wide receivers
on our Do Not draft list.
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We are back here on fantasy football today, presented by BetMGM, and I'm just going to say
right now, Dave, I absolutely hate your first, I don't hate the player.
I hate that you have him on your list.
The first player on your do not draft list at wide receiver is Tyree Kill.
What's going on?
I feel like Tyree Kill has had no buzz this.
training camp, and now all of a sudden everybody hates him again, and he's still going to be
great. So take that. You have Tyreek Hill, Garrett Wilson, DJ Moore, and Zay Flowers on your
do not draft list. The reason why Tyreek Hill has no buzz is because he's barely been practicing
with the Miami Dolphins, which is a little concerning. You'll see the injury tag next to his name
and oblique. I don't think it's a major deal. It wouldn't stop me from drafting him. But what does
seem to key me from drafting him is that Tuatunga Vailoa just doesn't seem to be letting go
of the whole situation, argument, whatever you want to call it at the end of last season
that seemed to erode the relationship between Tyreek and Tua.
And when I've watched them practice and I've been to their camp a couple of times,
Tua Tua Tuna Velaelao Torek Hill looks great throwing to Jalen Waddle.
And Tarek Hill is either not practicing or not getting a lot of the targets.
That could obviously flip on its head.
But there's other issues too.
Adam, that offensive line hasn't been very good.
Tua himself hasn't been particularly great.
Some of the other wide receivers that they have
have been stepping up in spurts
and I just wonder if maybe the idea
of Tariq Hill rather
being a 20 point per game fantasy receiver
is out the window now.
And now if you draft them,
you have to hope that the ceiling is more like 16 or 17
and the floor is where he was last year
it was 12 PPR points per game.
That's pathetic.
And so I see his ADP, it's in early round four.
I'm a late round four guy now on Tyreek Hill.
I really just don't want to have a piece of him.
I want to try and avoid this Dolphins passing game if I can.
First of all, didn't you, I thought you gave a great stat that his points per game,
do you remember what it was just with Tua?
It probably was very good last year.
I can look it up and tell you, but I don't know.
He wasn't amazing or anything.
He was on pace for 87 catches, 1,073 yards, 9 touchdowns on 134 targets with Tua.
That's not bad.
It was 14.9 ppr points per game.
Right.
So he's much better than what he was last year
because the non-tua games were awful for everyone.
I don't want to get stuck on just him,
but round four is I thought you'd be happy to get him there.
Okay, all right, that's your call.
It's your call.
Garrett Wilson, DJ Moore, Zay Flowers,
the other guys on your list.
Sure, Garrow Wilson is catching passes from Justin Fields.
That's a problem.
And now the fact that the Jets want to be such a run-heavy offense,
I think they're going to want to be slow-paced too.
They want to use three running backs.
Justin Fields himself will run with the football.
That makes me worry about just how many tar.
targets per game, Garrett Wilson's going to get.
Garrett Wilson had nine targets per game last year.
He didn't even average 15 PPR points per game.
That makes me very, very nervous.
And I think he had a slightly better quarterback last year than what he's got this year.
Zay Flowers, the talent is great.
We talk about him all the time as one of the most phenomenal receivers in the game.
But he's on a team that also loves to run the football.
They don't have high passing volume.
There has never been a wide receiver that has averaged north of 15 ppr points per game
since Lamar Jackson has been a starting quarterback.
And you might say, okay, well, I'm not drafting Zayflowers for that.
I'm drafting him to be around 13 or 14 PPR points per game.
And he hasn't even been able to hit that mark in either, rather, of his first two years in the NFL.
So I love Zay Flowers, the talent.
I hate Zay Flowers, the fantasy-wide receiver.
He's somebody that I'm going to let other people draft.
And DJ Moore, going back to one more team that's got, you kind of sense a trend with the
offensive line.
I don't like the offensive line in Miami.
I don't like it in Chicago.
I think the quarterbacks are affected by this.
Caleb Williams is certainly going to be affected by his offensive line, giving up pressure.
We saw that in the preseason game.
And DJ Moore just seems like he's more of a short area target now for Chicago and not a downfield threat.
You saw the Bears not only get a lot out of O'Donzee in the preseason game.
They've gotten a lot of O'Donzee in training camp.
They added Colson Loveland.
Luther Burden is going to have a role eventually.
Alameda Zakias is going to have a role eventually.
I think the target volume is going to come down for DJ Moore.
I'm nervous that I'm too high on DJ.
Moore. And he's not even a top 24 wide receiver for me, Adam.
Okay. I think Jamie might agree with you because we look at Jamie's do not draft list of
wide receiver and DJ Moore is on there. Terry McLoren, DJ Moore, Zay Flowers,
Debo Samuel and Michael Pittman. So you guys share DJ Moore and Zay Flowers.
Jamie also has Terry McLaren, Debo Samuel and Michael Pittman. People, I feel like Jamie,
I mean, I look at the fantasy pros, you know, the real-time ADP. It's very
updated very current.
It seems like people don't care that Terry McLaurin has missed all of training camp and
just signed.
They are ignoring the history, and you are not.
Well, look, it's a small sample size.
But again, you had four players over the last two seasons, five in total.
One was Jamar Chase, and he was amazing.
And I hope that's the case for Terry McLaren.
But the other four guys, two running backs in 2023, two receivers in 2024, the two
running backs, Josh Jacobs and Jonathan Taylor had awful seasons, career lows for Jacobs.
worst season of his career for Jonathan Taylor, both missed time due to injury.
In the case of the two-wide receivers, C.D. Lamb struggled with a shoulder injury, so he got
hurt at some point during the season and had a down year. It was 23 PPR points per game in
2023, barely over 17. Granted, he lost his quarterback after the season, but still wasn't having
a great year before that. And Brandon Ayyuk was miserable before he suffered the knee injury,
only one game in double digits in PPR points before he suffered the knee injury.
So I'm just a little bit concerned for McCorn. And look, had there not
been an issue across the board for him.
I would be drafting him as a top 20 receiver,
but I'd still have concerns because of just the touchdown
spike. And so can he still be a
double-digit touchdown guy? I hope
so, because I think that's going to have to justify
where he's being drafted, which is still round four.
And this is with the idea
of him still dealing with the contract situation.
I think once we get through all the drafts this weekend,
we may see him closer to that round three
range, and for sure I'm out
on him. And the reason I have Debo Samuel
on this list is not that I'm anti-Washington
by any stretch. It's the fact of where he's
getting drafted, which I do think factors in the situation with Terry McCorn. He's being
drafted right now ahead of. You could throw out Rashi Rice and Jacoby Myers you want to. I would
take Rice over Debo Samuel still personally. He's been drafted ahead of Jalen Walla, ahead of Travis
Hunter, ahead of Ameca Bucca, ahead of Romo Dunzee, I would take over him. So there's just a
handful of guys right now where Debo Samuel, just in terms of who he's going ahead of, I would much
rather have those guys instead of Samuel, especially now that McCorn is back. Yeah, love it. And
Pitman, we talked about this morning on our podcast.
We can't really understand why Michael Pittman is a top 100 ADP.
And why he's up 21 spots, we suspect it's because of the Josh Downs injury.
But Downs may not miss much time at all.
He's expected to be back by week one.
So there's a list for you.
For Dave, it was Tyreek Hill, Garrett Wilson, DJ Moore, Zay Flowers.
For Jamie, it was Terry McLaurin, DJ Moore, Zay Flowers, Debo Samuel and Michael Pittman.
And for me, it was a chance to say, that's your call.
That's your call. That's your call.
That's your call.
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I love Name That Player here on Fantasy Football today,
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I'm going old.
Some older guys here on Name That Player.
First one, I am a fairly old wide receiver.
Per game, I have only two top 24 finishes
and one top 15 finish in my career.
I finished last season with 76 or more yards
in three straight games,
but I was massively out-targeted by my tight end.
In other words, his tight end on his team.
I had 120 targets, but only three end-zone targets.
That was that possible.
And I will be playing with a rookie quarterback.
Jamie.
Yes, Calvin Ridley.
Calvin Ridney is correct.
It's a little bit of an overrated career.
He is not, since that bust out year with the Falcons,
he really hasn't been that great, honestly.
And we're not drafting him to be a top 24,
but we're hopeful.
We're hopeful for Calvin Ridley.
How are you feeling about him right now?
I think he's in the right range, you know,
so that round five, six range of wide receivers,
basically anywhere from 23 through 33.
You know, he belongs in that kind of, you know,
group of guys with Jerry Judy and Travis Hunter.
And for me, Terry McCorn, DJ Moore,
you know, those type of guys who have the chance to be top 20.
I don't know if there's a top 10 range of outcomes.
comes unless they just score a lot of touchdowns but you said it like the or at least you alluded to
this i think the the the targets should be there for him the production should be there for him
i also think uh chigalcaquo is a very underrated late round tight end based on how you you know alluded
to this with the clue that his his target volume should should be there as well um but in the case
of ridley the numbers that he had last year with will levis versus mason rudolph he was about
12 fantasy ppr points per game with will levis he was north of 14 ppr ppr point
points per game with Rudolph.
If Cam Ward is just better than Will Levis,
then I think we're going to get some very solid production from Calvin Ridley.
So he's, I think, cheap enough.
Like, you know, he's not going to get drafted at this point ahead of Abuka,
at least in my opinion, ahead of Abuka and Ricky Purcell.
So there's going to be some excitement for those guys.
And just sort of like when you get to that range of maybe your number two receiver,
for me at the very minimum will be my third receiver,
like there's still reason to buy into him.
So yes, he's oldish, hasn't lived up to a lot of expectations the last couple
years, Jacksonville and Tennessee, but I think the quarterback play will definitely help him.
I think he's got sneaky good upside. I think he might end up getting, you mentioned the targets,
I think he could end up getting eight per game. He's the only guy, I saw them practice against
the bucks. He's the only guy Cam Ward had his timing and chemistry with every other receiver
they had struggled with Cam Ward, not Calvin Ridley. I think he's going to be used a lot in this
offense. I know people are, they don't want to draft him because he's been so bad for so long.
I think he steps up and has a pretty good year
this year. So I love where you're thinking. And this is another
receiver. Much rather have than Rishi Rice
right now. Ridley had, in his last year with
Jacksonville, 26 red zone
and 24 end zone targets.
Last year, seven red zone and
three end zone targets. And eight
targets per game would be... Now,
eight targets per game would be 136 targets.
He actually was on pace for 130
targets after the DeAndre Hopkins trade.
All right. So first round goes
to Jamie. Second one.
I am kind of an old tight end.
Among 31 tight ends with 50 or more targets,
I ranked 31st, dead last in yards per target.
I have never averaged more than 55 yards per game.
I have never caught more than six touchdowns.
I have been a top eight tight end per game in three straight seasons.
Whoa.
I will be playing.
with the very opposite of a rookie quarterback this year,
super old quarterback.
Jamie and Dave love drafting me.
Oh, Jamie.
Yes.
David to Joku.
Yes, David and Joku.
Don't worry, Dave.
He's never out of more than 55 yards a game.
It's a little deceiving because he's...
Yeah, I thought so.
Here we go.
No, he's dealt with some injuries.
But no, it's true.
I mean, he's been consistently good,
and at times he's been...
Great. Each of the last three years, there's been at least a five-game spurt where David Nujoku's been awesome.
And then, you know, Deshaun Watson comes around or somebody like that.
But one of those spurts was with Flacko.
So am I drafting David Nijoku thinking there's a chance for him to have a really awesome year?
Or he's going to have 850 yards, six touchdowns, and be like tight-in-seven?
I think, well, first off, if he's tight-end seven, he's being drafted as tight-in-seven, you know,
unless you're just following our advice and you're taking him maybe ahead of some guys, you know, because you want him not where they're
ADP suggests. But I mean, look, I think when you're drafting him, I'll speak
from him. When I'm drafting him, I'm drafting him with the hope that I'm getting 10 plus games
of Joe Flacco. You referenced those, that stretch of games at the end of 2023, you know,
depending if you factor in the playoff game or not, it was basically 16 points per game,
PPR points per game, or more over that stretch. So there was a strong connection there.
You go back last year out and you reference this. When it wasn't Deshawn Watson, it was great
for David Nogoku. So this is a receiving core that's got a lot of moving parts. You know,
Jerry Judy was awesome to close the season last year.
Cedric Tillman the first three games without Amari Cooper
was awesome. We'll see what he can offer
over the course of a full season.
The running game is going to be very much in flux.
Really it comes down to it. If you buy Joe Flacco
starting the majority of games and
David Nijoku staying healthy, the majority of games,
there could be a top three finisher.
He could push one of those top three guys
out of it. I just think there's that much upside. Now,
you're hearing a lot of positive buzz about Harold Fanon,
you know, so if we could see him
taking on some targets and opportunities in the passing
game, which could change some things. But
I'm just looking at what David Nogoku
has done the last two seasons when there hasn't been to Sean Watson,
factoring in what Joe Flacco did for him in that 2023 campaign,
factoring Kevin Stefansky's offense, which has always been tight and friendly.
So there's just a lot to like about David Nogoku, especially at his cost.
So when you start to see Kelsey come off the board, LaPorter come off the board,
let somebody else take those guys.
You can wait and take Njoko a little bit later.
Yeah, I would co-sign that.
I do worry a little bit about the sheer volume of targets that Nogoku would get
if Fannin and Cedric Tillman ended up playing or end up playing a solid role in the Brown's offense.
not going to be just Judy and Nojoku anymore. Now it could be a couple of other mouths to feed for Joe Flacko,
and their running backs can catch the ball out of the backfield, too. But I still love what he does
for Cleveland. He's a great short area outlet. He can make plays after the catch, big time red zone
threat if they so choose to use them. And because they don't have a great, or certainly an established
run game right now, they might need Nogoku in the red zone. So I'm fine with him as a top five
fantasy tight end as well. All right. We're just going to do name that player for this. And we'll take a break.
after that, and we're going to answer your questions in our final segment.
Triple the points.
Here we go.
I am an older running back.
I averaged a career high in yards per carry last season.
Now, only four times in the last decade has a running back averaged more than 19
PPR fantasy points per game with fewer than 20 catches, and all four times it's been me.
Jamie.
Yeah.
Derek Henry.
Yep.
That's my favorite stat.
I've been a top four running back per game
in all formats in five of the last six seasons.
That's Derek Henry, and you guys would draft him win.
End of round one in full PPR,
middle of round one, in half PPR,
and top five overall in non-PPR.
Look, I'm just tired of betting against him at this point.
I've been the anti-Derick Henry guy for about five years,
and I've been wrong every year.
He just continues to defy father time.
He's going to continue to be in a great offensive environment for him.
He does not need to catch.
passes. Every time he's been on a team that has a winning record, Titans, Baltimore last year,
he's been awesome because he does not need to catch passes to still score around 20 touchdowns.
Last year he had the most rushing yards in NFL history for a running back that was 30-year-olds
or more. He's going to have the most rushing yards for a running back that's 31 years old or more.
He's just amazing. So hopefully he stays healthy. I think it's worth taking him in round one and
just forget about anything when it comes to what history tells you about older running backs.
He just continues to give father time to stiff arm.
Absolutely.
Well, well done, fellas.
All right, that's the Do Not Draft List.
We'll name that player, Rishi Rice analysis.
And now we get to finish with your questions.
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Ask FFT from Jay.
What are your feelings on drafting the
a triple H trio
as you're starting running back.
That was one of the worst things you've ever talked.
I was sorry.
That's how I decided to read it.
I'd have to reach for Hampton.
You guys can just finish that.
What do you think about taking Hampton over Chase Brown to get Triple H?
Yeah, don't do that.
You could probably get Hampton in round three if you really want him,
early round three.
But yeah, don't take him at Chase Brown.
There's much more upside for Chase Brown.
assuming, assuming that Brown does what he did at the end of last season,
and there is no, and there is Najee Harris with the charges.
Well, what if Brown doesn't do that?
Then what?
No, I'm with you on this one.
All right.
Next tweet.
With a top three pick and a half PPR, two receiver, two flex league.
Would you be comfortable going tight end and then quarterback at the two three turn?
Would you prefer one of the running backs or wide receivers?
in that range? I would prefer one of the running backs
or wide receivers. I don't like taking
a quarterback and a tight end
with two of my first five picks. I think it just
leaves me a little bit
thin at running back and wide receiver
later on the draft. The smaller of the league,
we didn't see how many teams are in this league.
If this is an eight-team league, maybe
even a 10-team league, it's not as bad.
But once you get to 12 teams, 14 teams,
yeah, I think it's a big mistake to take a quarterback
and a tight end so close to the top of the draft.
Take the tight-in.
All right.
Next, next up.
I'm not reading.
It was horrible.
Drafting from the nine spot in a 10 team.
Oh, Superflex tight-in premium.
Tight-in premium, the dumbest, most nonsensical format in sports history.
How should I prioritize my first two picks in the Superflex tight-end premium league?
Surprise you're saying that as a huge pro wrestling fan.
I would say in a 10-team league,
You can, if you don't get one of the top five quarterbacks, if they don't fall,
then I would consider taking Brock Bowers and Trey McBride at the nine spot in a tight end premium league.
And then you come back if you want to in round two and maybe take Mahomes
or maybe take Baker Mayfield in that spot.
But I would try and get one of the top five quarterbacks or one of the top two tight ends in this scoring format.
I agree.
All right.
Next tweet, please don't be about a ridiculous made-up format.
Are we still taking Justin Fields as a top 10 quarterback?
and four point per passing touchdown league.
That's a legit format for you, Adam.
I hope you're happy about that.
And because passing touchdowns are devalued,
that means that rushing touchdowns are good,
rushing yardage is good.
Yes, Justin Fields would be a top 10 quarterback there.
Top seven quarterback for me in that front.
We have time for one more.
And it's from Wilson.
Should the Steelers go after Anthony Richardson?
If they get him cheap, you know, to see what he has for the future,
it would have to be very cheap at this point.
But, you know, look,
they have no quarterback situation moving forward past this year because of Aaron Rogers.
So it would have to be just the right investment.
Colts say they're keeping Richardson.
That's what they say, Dave.
We'll see.
That's it for fantasy football today.
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